For those outside the US: Did you know US election day is NOT a public holiday? Yup, you heard right. They make it on a Tuesday, (not a Monday or Friday which would make it more likely that people take a long weekend and vote), and they keep it a regular working day. It's almost like the US government doesn't really want to maximize voter turnout.
It's not a public holiday in the Netherlands. Voting usually takes me 10/15 minutes. Most schools have a voting location and schools are all over the Netherlands. You can vote during the day, your lunch break, before work, after work. It's easy and no issue during work days when set up to make it easy for people to vote.
@@FrancSchiphorst same here in denmark, ive lived 4 different places while elections have taken place and its always been less than 1.5km away making it easy to just swing by and cast my vote.
Partially correct. While it isn't technically a public holiday, businesses here in the US are REQUIRED to let you vote on election day. They don't have to give you the whole day off, but it is a legal requirement that they give you reasonable time to vote on election day.
But elections aren't only on election day anymore. I can vote in person for the whole month preceding Nov 4. And you can mail in your ballot as well if you know that day is going to be inconvenient.
The US not having a national ID and having elections on Tuesdays (= workdays that aren't public holidays) are two things that sound crazy to me. The moment you turn 18, by law you're required to HAVE an ID in my country, it's compulsory. And the elections always take place on a Sunday (with only *one* exception in my lifetime). If a party tried to disenfranchise people in such a blatant way, we would just vote them out (and there'd be nationwide protests).
Just because everyone has a right to vote, doesn't mean everyone should vote. The only people who should vote are the ones who put in the effort and care enough to make an educated decision. Uneducated voters voting cause so many problems.
The States retain a lot of powers to create their own laws. The fed also has a lot of power, but if we Americans don't like the laws in our state, we can move to a different one (long as you can afford to move). Our states run their own elections, administer their own drivers licenses and state ids, determine their own school curriculum, administer welfare programs, collect taxes, and so much more. Its kind of fundamental to our form of government that the fed doesn't interfere too much with states' rights to govern themselves.
In Brasil we have Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) which is a microcomputer that is not connected to the internet for specific use for elections. We have biometric identification to make sure no one can vote twice and the results come out just a few hours after the election. It's fast, safe, efficient and fraud proof, it's one of the world's most advanced voting systems 🇧🇷
It is not fraud proof as it does not produce a voter verified non-digital counterpart to the electronic ballot. A more fraud resilient system would be the one described at 2:23.
@@crhu319 each machine is checked before the election to check for a zero count voting record. Any anomalies found, the machine is replaced. Also, party representatives inspect the machines prior deployment.
@@crhu319 It cannot be hacked since it's not connected to the internet and the machines are checked every step of the electoral process to ensure it's safe and according to the law
It's not a "resistance in the US", it's purely a looney left phenomena. Makes you wonder why they oppose it, and I can't think of anything else but that they want to abuse it to cheat in the elections.
To my understanding, it would need to be free otherwise it’s just a tax to vote. And having the government pay for evergone’s free ID is an “unnecessary expense” to some representatives. So we are back where we started.
I have met people very recently in the past few months who said they don’t vote because they don’t feel their vote matters, which I find to be very very sad especially in an election like this
Great video! Tom Scott made two great videos on this subject. I think the biggest upgrade we can do to the voting is to have the voting do be a holiday/weekend so the most people can vote. As they do in some countries.
Yeah, I am from Czechia and our ballots are always open on Friday 2PM - 10PM and Saturday 8AM - 2PM. One generally finds a window to go and vote :) I always knew that in USA people vote on Tuesday but never considered what an impact that can have on turnout.
What irritates me is how we puff up the presidential election and say it's so important to vote while local elections have a much bigger effect in our day to day lives. But, the turnout is much lower, and often, candidates run unopposed.
Thats because the presidency is the ONLY national candidate. Big international mainstream media will blow their wad on this MxAmerica Contest. Major senators get some coverage....house elections are likely not going to get any TV network airplay unless there is a scandal. Local papers and TV news used to heavily cover local elections, house and senate seats....even have a nightly or weekly report from the state capitol. There are few local stations or newspapers anymore. They are owned by a big national syndicate. The syndicate sends scripts to the local news or writes generic columns. That's why when people record all the local news on a particular week...all the talking heads are saying exactly the same thing. Same catch phase, same banter.
People usually like their local government, so they don't feel the need to turn out for an election to choose between two candidates that both want to do basically the same thing.
@@jandraelune1 how about the same person being on the ballot for BOTH parties? This is how it is for the majority of local positions in my area. I try to vote against those people in the primaries, but there's not always enough options to.
Maybe the presidential election doesn't change much for you, but it's also so important for the world itself. I don't want a foreign country, in which I can't vote, to effect my life. But sadly this is the case and I sure hope that this year the people take the reasonable choice. Not just for America, but for the world.
In the US, Germany, France, UK it's the same thing, but you don't realize it. The media system chooses its candidates, its political opponents, it's a well-organized circus.
@@maleldil1 All I see is that in democratic countries, politicians implement policies against their own state, while in so-called dictatorial countries, politicians put their nation first.
I’m an Estonian and I remember actually going to the ballots for my first ever voting after turning 18. It was a great experience but by now I’ve voted more times from abroad than at the actual voting station. During our last elections i casted my vote from a poolside at Vietnam. And while I understand the risks with online voting, I remind myself that during our era of soviet union somehow voting on paper ended up with 99,9% of our nation “voting” for the communist party 😂 (just to clarify to anyone outside of the former soviet union. We really-really-really didnt want to belong there)
Well that is because pn;y one party. the communist controls everythign and that is wht 99% of votes are for the communists. They control all the ballot boxes, the "counting" of the votes. I'm sure there is no cheating. One party rule is dangerous and that is what the democrats want in the USA by open borders as a way to citizenship to vote and making Puerto Rico and Washington DC a state. Imagine if the Republicans say that anyone from Poland or Ukraine can migrate here with no checks and become citizens and the territoties of Guam and American Samoa (conservative legislatures) should be made states.
As an Estonian I am very glad that our country is so digitally advanced, we can basically do all of our daily tasks online and also our education is the most advanced in Europe. Thought I am not old enough to vote I think that this is a brilliant system, I wish that other countries could adapt some of our ideas.
@@a7699aaa The 2022 PISA educational survey says otherwise. In it Estonian 15-year-olds are at the absolute top in Europe and the top eight in the world. I say this as a German with no small amount of envy.
A basic computer security rule is: “You can’t trust the client.” Someone who has physical possession of the device can get into it. There is no such thing as perfect security.
@@___ko___false. Signing via card still needs a device to do it, that can simply get between the card and the end system. Human systems are secured by virtue of requiring both presence and human effort, and importantly that security can be improved just by adding more humans. It’s easy to understand and verify even by people not that bright who think personal certificates fix the client security problem.
Whilst basically true, If it were that un-nuanced nothing would be secure online and our current online lives would be impossible. We just don't BLINDLY trust the client.
I love your shows. So glad you started your own thing. Btw, that Henson Razor, is the real deal. I've had one for over a year, I'm still happy I got it
Here in Australia it's mandatory for both local state and national elections so most of the country votes (about 95%). Which solves at least one part of the problem, doesn't help with the fact that most people have no idea about the actual policies of the person they are voting for. :(
and it doesn't make an iota of difference for anything important like CBDC or tyrannical BS like the UN "pact of the future" (you'll wanna look that up). Both Liberal and Labour sell us out. Our unaparty is worse than the US unaparty in many way. They are destroying freedom of speech. They are banning cash. No citizens have been asking for any of that. They are clearly following somebody elses agenda that is against our interests. People need to wake up.
@@a-non-a-mouse We aren't required to vote. We are required to attend a polling place (or have a mail ballot issued) and receive a ballot paper. What the voter then does with that ballot paper is up to them (provided they don't disrupt the polling place). There is nothing requiring that they place a vote on that ballot paper. The only requirement is that your name is marked off the electoral roll.
@@a-non-a-mouse It's not really a case of better or not, I'm just saying in America there is a considerable problem with voter suppression. If people have to vote it takes that manipulation out of the game. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of passionate people voting in America soon that are totally uninformed about what they are voting for. I think the only way to solve that is with education which is definitely a long way off for either of our countries.
"a denial of service attack" is the best description of the USA voting system I've heard so far p.s. 19yo Cleo is sooo cute. Thanks for sharing that picture.
Which is how they found out that there is a huge voter fraud going on online. Some people who went to vote in person were told that they had already voted online, even if they had not.
It’s utterly impossible to have an online vote that is secret and secure. Your online vote could be changed on your own computer before you make it, and without a way to check it was cast as you intended you would never know to check the paper record. If you always check the paper record you’ve just invented an expensive pencil.
@@peter65zzfdfh Please explain how my vote could be *changed* before I even make it? Also there is a way to check your i-vote in the Estonian system. Also, also in the paper only system there is literally no way I can check my vote after I have cast it.
Risk of the denial of service attacks is solved in Estonia. In Estonia you cannot vote online on the main day of election but during a week or so before. Also you can always recast your online vote either online or as a paper ballot vote, but you can't recast paper ballot vote online or somewhere else.
Yeah, it's weird she didn't mention such a basic solution. Just make the window for voting longer, see if the hackers can keep a denial of service for a month.
@@pxkqd The US is terrible at keeping voting places open. Opening times vary from state to state, and sometimes between counties and cities within a state. It's a backwards, barbarous place.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 100%. They passed laws to prevent people handing out water to those waiting in line. Can you imagine having to wait in line to vote? I mean... I have but for minutes behind about six people, not hours. Just have more volunteers handling the voters, or more polling stations! We imported the disgusting idea of Voter ID from the US to the UK and it's an absolute waste of time and effort. Completely insane.
I am a security expert. Online security is just not reliable. The problem comes from once the system is online attacks can happen at scale. Once the vulnerability is identified, the whole election would be invalid.
Short and extremely simplified version is - the constitution doesn't grant the federal government the power to make a national ID. Instead, that power is reserved for the constituent states.
We don't trust our government, we learned from germany's mistakes during world war 2. We would rather not freely hand that much data to the government especially in the modern age. Always ask yourself this question when you vote to give your government a new power or authority. Would I want hitler to have this power?
@@Elivagar666 Does the constitution expressly prohibit the federal government from doing it, or does it merely authorize states to issue ID. Before you answer that, ask yourself who issues passports and military IDs & whether they qualify as 'national IDs'
@@dgthe3 The tenth amendment states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". The powers described are in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. So we’ve got a clumsy system where things like passports, military ID, and SSI numbers serve as a de facto national ID. Because things like immigration (passports), armed forces (military ID), and taxation (SSI) are within the federal government’s enumerated powers.
In the UK, we don't even have ballots machine-read. Nope, I go and put a pencil 'x' in a square, and post it in a box. That box is taken to the Town Hall at 10pm, and humans count them. Oh, and UK elections are always on a Thursday.
@Hussien.. main reason is the fact that just because you have a myGov account it doesn't guarantee that you're not being pressured to vote one way or another. A hidden ballot in public means no one knows how we vote, so we can vote anyway that we like. I'd love online voting for the convenience, but all the points in the video make sense. The one I mentioned is probably the main one If I understand it all correctly. Have a great day.
One other thing you started to touch on but didn't really follow through on. Your online banking is not actually truly secure. The only thing modern encryption does is make it too expensive to overcome, similar to physical security. No lock is unpickable and no encryption is unhackable. It is merely very expensive to do so. If your bank account has $100 in it, why would someone dedicate potentially $100,000 or millions in computing equipment and effort to hack you? Now compare that to a national election. Suddenly there are literally billions of dollars at stake, so the resources that are worth spending on overcoming the encryption have ballooned.
Depends on what encryption we are talking about, but in reality we have no proof that anyone can even remotely break the RSA minimum 4096 bit keys or has reversed engineered the RSA algorithm. By purely brute forcing would be impossible, so they would need to find certain patterns in prime/random number generations that would somehow limit the possible generated keys to small enough set that can be brute force checked. This is one theoretical way, but for large keys today’s technology seems to have no way cracking it
@Nublus pure brute forcing is fundamentally NOT impossible. If it were impossible, we would have no need for private passwords. What it is, is impractical. Those are two *very* different things. If you have a database leak of RSA 4096 bit passwords, cracking them is no different than cracking 128 is. It just requires "more." More computation, more time, more efficient guessing. But what it does NOT require is "different." That's ultimately my point. "More" in this case always means "money." When the reward is negligible, then extremely expensive to break security is very useful, but as the monetary reward for cracking goes up, the amount of money it's worth spending to crack it goes up, too. Modern security is not about making it impossible to get into, but too expensive and impractical to get into.
@@Nublus pure brute forcing is not IMPOSSIBLE. It is IMPRACTICAL. Besides, defeating the encryption is only one way to gain access. They could also, again hypotheticals so everything is on the table, get your passwords directly from you. If the cost/benefit is worth it, it's a possibility. That's why security escorts exist.
In my state, anyone who has a mailing address can vote by mail. It's convenient, secure, and you have extra time from when you get your ballot to when you mail it in to do your research on downballot initiatives and candidates. This is a secure standard that should be available all over the country. Not quite as convenient as online, but much more secure. As for the people who need to vote in person on election day, of course that should always be an option and if the rest of us vote by mail the in-person voting should go much more smoothly as well. Election day should be a holiday too, so everyone gets the chance to vote.
I had planned on dropping off my ballot in person, but instead just wound up mailing it because I was at the Post Office anyway. People in these ED's with huge lines should do this. You can kiss election day goodbye as a holiday...big business got that back and arent giving it up. Myself - I work in the kind of job where if I wanted to take an hour off to vote, it would be fine. Not everyone is as fortunate.
There's been criticisms that dead people have been used to vote through the mail--and many of those concerns have in fact been proven to have happened. There have also been numerous instances of corrupt mail organizations and certain individuals collecting large groups of mail in ballots and throwing them out, which have also happened.
I wonder why there is no national ID card in the US. It's one of the main ID documents here in Europe and since you can travel in the whole Schengen area using only your national ID card many people don't even have passports. ID cards in the EU contain biometric information and can be used for verification online. We even have authentification apps that you tie to your national ID card by reading the chip on your card through NFC and then you can use those apps to login into online banks, sign documents, verify yourself on government sites, authorize purchases online, and so on. Why isn't it a thing in the US?
Privacy and security. Imagine what hitler could do with all that information you are freely giving to your government. The idea "I have nothing to hide" only really applies when your morals match the governments.
Our states have a right to govern themselves, and it's kind of fundamental to our form of government. So States administer IDs and driver's licenses as part of that self governance. Also, the fed is SOOO far out of reach for any regular American. Our state reps are far more accountable and localized to the people than any federal representatives.
@@reed6514states, like GA, have federally accepted IDs, as do most states. We get these bc we show multiple forms of ID to prove we are citizens. If you’re a citizen it’s not hard at all. Most states have something similar except the known democrat strongholds like CA, IL, NY. There’s only ONE reason you wouldn’t want an ID to vote when you need it for everything else. Fraud. Stop lying to yourself. Gig is up
@@reed6514 I don't see what the big holdup would be then. Every country in the EU is a totally independent entity, even more so than American states are to the federal government. Just give all states a common ID benchmark that's recognizable everywhere, let them administer the specifics for their own state, and make them distribute them to every citizen (free of charge). The EU has been doing it for decades I don't see why you couldn't. P.S: We also don't even need to register to vote, in my case the government issues voting IDs to every citizen when they turn 18 through the mail. You don't have to request it, they just send it to you.
@@cpthf3535 well our IDs do work across states and so its basically just fine. You get a new state id if you move though. And registering to vote, at least in my state, is extreeeeemely easy, then you get a new voter registration card in the mail before each election.
NGL New Zealand is so nice, the map probably doesn't think it's a real country. Trust me, stay in your country because everything outside of it is a shithole
@@jojosoni no, New Zealand does matter on a geopolitical game - if you don't think it does, you really don't understand politics. The reason they can do it, is because they are a competent well run country not full of absolute muppets like Cleo spoke to. US politics is completely corrupt, like Cuba corrupt or Russia corrupt.
Too many people do the "it should be a federal holiday" thing without realizing that a) federal holidays only apply to federal workers and banks, b) that would close the post office, impeding mail in voting, and c) that no matter how you slice it, the people at the bottom--retail workers, food service, etc.--are working at places that can't close down their essential services. Do you think we can just demand no one has to work and gas stations, grocery stores, tow trucks, police, fire departments, ems, hospitals, etc. Just close? Most states require your employer to give you time off to vote. Most states have mail in voting, absentee voting, AND early voting. I'd just like it to be codified by the fed to be uniform across all states for clarity.
We do far more sensitive activity online like filing taxes and banking. Online voting is very much possible butThey simply don't want to do it because then they can't keep rigging the elections
Huge props to you for making an informative and interesting video on voting that isn't bias one way or the other, and without expressing your own political views or endorsing a candidate! very refreshing and very cool video!
Really glad you brought up Estonia, as it’s one of the few countries that got it right. Granted, it’s got a small population, and building a system around a small number of participants is always easier. I do think, however, that there is a solid case for bigger democracies to take note of how Estonia managed to build its current e-governance system that includes much, much more than just online voting. Cleo, if you’re reading this, it would be cool seeing an entire video on Estonia’s e-governance tech. If I’m not mistaken, Singapore and a few other countries are building theirs right now modeled after Estonia’s example.
In Brazil, we do Digital voting, but the machines are offline and have no IO other than a numeric keyboard, screen and a printer to print out a vote certificate. All machines are deployed at voting zones on election day, and recovered by the end of the day. The machines are connected to computers who read out the ballots and we have a same election day result. It is fraud free, as there is no way to tamper with the machines during election. When deployed, the printer prints a Zero Voting certificate, that shows the memory is "empty" and another certificate is printed when collected, so you can audit the votes. Each voter has an voting ID, which is used on a terminal to prevent double voting. That terminal is not connected to the voting machine, to prevent people to be voting to a candidate under pressure.
It is not possible to audit votes on Brazil's voting system as it does not produce a voter verified non-digital counterpart to the electronic ballot. The system described at 2:23 does so and would allow votes to be auditable.
"You can just hand someone else the phone and they can vote." And you can do that with mail-in paper ballots too. As long as the actual voter signs and mails it in.
@@benjamindover4337 They do in the UK. If your signature doesn't match enough on the postal vote declaration, the sealed vote doesn't get put in to be counted. I had that back in 2016 with the Brexit vote, they sent me a letter to say it was declined because they didn't think my signature matched.
Safe online id and voting is one of the main applications of blockchain. Im baffled that theres still has not been a serious effort 15 years into this tech.
Estonia has a near perfect online "bureaucracy" . They vote online - and pretty sure they have tested their tech against Russian hackers. Save us Estonia!
The problem is Estonia is a tiny target, there is almost no benefit to manipulating their election results. The US on the other hand is far more influential around the world, it is a much bigger target.
yeah Estonia is safe from Russia because Estonia is not rich, no political advantage and not a strategic location. if Estonia suddenly disappears no one would even know a thing
Estonia has 1.4 million citizens, and is around the 100th biggest country in terms of GDP. Not to belittle them, but in terms of global influence, they're not a very interesting target for international hacker organizations and foreign governments.
The US is fighting the equivelant of WWII frontlines everyday in cybersecurity. Estonia doesn't experience even a fraction of that kind of attack. Voting online is trash.
The problem in america is that our education system is biased and indoctrinating for one party. Just as the communists said they would do to us in the 60s.
@@John_Boy_24 well, if the goal is to represent what the most people in the country want it is about numbers. If we want what is best for the country it isn’t. But then again, it is impossible to decide who is educated and who is not without offending someone and being biased toward your own candidate. That is why everyone says that more total voters is better.
@reckingcrew2277 - by educated voters I mean, somehow with unbiased intentions, teach people who would like to be involved in their elections and vote, how to interpret news/information. Like how to do ones own research, how to vet claims/policies/etc, and mainly expand people's minds to more than just the headlines. Most humans can fill out scantron sheets, but with no understanding on how each circle filled has an effect on all things.
@John_Boy_24 going to college , which 80% of americans learn very little in and is an extension of highschool basics- doesn't make you an educated person. I know plenty of low iq college grads.
11:00 - If the online voting period is the same as Early Voting then people would have days (weeks) to cast their ballot online. A delay of few hours on one day would not make a significant difference there.
Agreed, that also gives time for the Estonia solution of allowing you to change your vote, which solves problems 2 and 3 too. Which just leaves problem 1, credentials, which doesn't seem to be a problem in the eight states that just mail ballots to everyone anyway.
Im in the military. My home state allows us to vote online. So i did. I had to request my ballot by email ahead of time. Then a few months before the election I got an email saying my ballot was ready. I went to the website, put in my info (full name, dob, drivers license or ssn). Then my ballot came up, i clicked the candidates, signed it digitally at the end and hit submit, it was fantastic and i wish i could vote liek this the rest of my life.
Estonian here 👋 As a full-time traveller and a digital nomad I can honestly say that being able to vote online is a true privilege. It has definitely been worth the time and effort that our country put into this idea. And I honestly hope that soon, the whole world can enjoy this privilege 😁. HUGE IF TRUE 👍 🎉
Nope it’s ridiculous you shouldn’t able to vote if you can’t even take the time to show up in person to vote for your countries leader for the next 4 years. Sorry not sorry you don’t deserve that
@ not nonsense at all 😂 if you can’t show up to something important then you really don’t care about it that simple. Don’t know how else to simply it for you. A little slow ehh?
I mean it is even more stupid, that you have to sign up for voting. Just work out early voting and send every one a letter who is registered as a citizen in the us. Oh wait .. i see the problems
In the Netherlands you get your voting pass sent to your home, no need to register and you vote for what ever party/person in the booth. It usually takes me a 5 min walk and a couple minutes in the voting location. You have to present an ID but you need that anyways and drivers licence also counts.
@@FrancSchiphorst we never had ID in the UK, other than driving licences and passports which not everyone needs or has. Mind you, as much as I don't want ID to be a thing a policeman can question me about or people can expect me to produce, I'd happily trade that crucial liberty, if we could get proper cycle lanes separated by kerbs and at the same height as the road, and not blended with flipping pavements :D
Hi Cleo I just want to say, that I love your energy and the glow you have when you do what you love Thank you for sharing your blazing spirit and things "Huge, if true" with us 😊
Can't have trust with mail in ballots and voting machines that are vulnerable. Ever my other nation has banned this due to corruption. But demkcrats want corruption. He'll they are fighting to keep illegals on the voting rolls.
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@@Molikaiyou have no idea what you’re talking about - sry not sry blockchain is decentralized system of checks and balances it’s not “some kind of database”
Why not use a golden hammer instead of blockchain? Golden hammers, like blockchain, can be used for ANY problem. Seriously, how does blockchain solve the problem?
@@davestagner well, it solves (with some simple modifications) all 4 challenges mentioned in the video ... 1) credentials are automatic (e.g. you register your public key = wallet at registration - or if you live somewhere not in the voting stone age, you use your national id), 2) estonia's figured this one out already + you could "reregister" a different public key/wallet any number of times, 3) EIP-712 (for example), 4) e.g. you can vote at any time since the last election (until the next election day) + change your vote at any time ... anything else?
Ring up another subscriber to your channel: a viewer who really cares about the details here!♥ Another challenge you didn't include: usability, which makes the problem even harder. There are a variety of proposed solutions for each of the challenges, but the system has to be both highly secure and easy enough for both voters and election officials to succeed with confidence. And of course we have to be willing to pay the high costs of very secure and robust operations.
Mostly it turns out to point and laugh at isolationist countries who acknowledge that other countries can do things, but they couldn't possibly because 'merica! She didn't do a good job here because she didnt' speak to any actual experts from places that have online voting, who I feel would likely have counter arguments to the gibbering lunatics she did speak to, who are all partisan hacks and live in a system with rampant political corruption to a degree most Europeans can't conceive of - and the ones who can grew up in East Germany or some other Soviet ruled country.
In Brazil, we use an electronic voting system that greatly simplifies the process and ensures security. Since 1996, electronic voting machines have recorded votes directly in a digital system, eliminating the need for paper ballots and reducing the risk of fraud. The voter simply presents their ID, confirms their identity, and casts their vote by typing the candidate’s number on the machine, which shows a photo to ensure their choice is correct. This auditable and confidential process allows for quick vote counting, with results available on the same day, ensuring accuracy and transparency. Additionally, the Brazilian Electoral Court conducts public tests and audits on the machines to guarantee system integrity. Like any system, there’s room for improvement, but overall, it’s a more direct and efficient process.
Brazil's voting system does not guarantee auditability of the election result, as it does not produce a voter verified non-digital counterpart to the electronic ballot. The system described at 2:22 would be auditable, secure, fast and reliable, but Brazil does not use it.
There's a saying I've learnt during my IT career, "There's no technical solution for a managerial problem". Sometimes you'd be asked to make a technical solution when the problem really called for a manager to step in and make a change elsewhere in the company. Elections are about as managerial a problem as I can think of. While it would be nice to have online voting I can't help but feel like it has to remain the way it is given the technical challenges it presents.
I think one day we can get there when our technology advances more. But for now, i totally agree. So don’t close your mind off to the idea completely because i think it’s at least possible, even if it’s far off.
@@amandatyler4324 The technology exists to make online voting safe and possible, it's just I wouldn't trust most governments to correctly implement the technology to truly make it secure.
Why would you need a national ID when you have the state ID and your social security number attached to it. The "credentials" challenge is either a simple problem or it is not explained well here.
social security was not created with the intent of being for identification, only as a mandatory pension account number. it has no security measures and is too short in length. and while state ID is reasonable on that front, its not quite recognized on the federal level like social security is.
@@g_vost That makes sense. I can see how the short ssn can be a problem. It could be used in conjunction with the state id but that'd complicate it as well. It still sounds like the easiest out of all the issues mentioned
@@g_vost But they do use your SSN as a verifier, at least in Nevada they do. You need to show them a picture ID to prove who you are. And then you provide the last 4 of your social to prove you are eligible to vote in the U.S., basically confirming you are a U.S. citizen.
@@g_vost I'm confused. I'm not talking about anything that "ought" to be done. I'm talking about how identity and proof of eligibility to vote IS verified in the state of Nevada and in many if not all other states.
But on the flip side... what's stopping people today from somewhere along the line, physically stealing or damaging postal votes so they don't reach the destination? And many other things. Aren't there hundreds of ways the system now is way worse than the theoretical online voting system? (A UK citizen wondering)
That's easy - there are systems in place to protect postal votes - but the main one is It simply does not scale ... like all paper voting, it takes a lot of people and a lot of visible effort to change just a few votes - it's all been tried, and it's failed ....
If someone steals votes you'll know there was a problem, where the problem was and and where the problem is. So it's easy to fix, just re-do the vote there. You can't always know when there's someone intercepting the data you're sending through your phone, nor the scale of the problem and how many people were affected by it
That just happened. Two ballot boxes in traditionally blue areas were damaged by incendiary IEDs today. One in Washington, the other in Portland. I haven't seen any detail in the reports on how they're going to help those voters re-cast their ballots, if they are at all.
So, there’s been some bomb threats on post in the USA… and in 2024 some (looks like youthful, likely to vote certain way) areas did have some arson/bombing of mail-in ballots in the past few days. Hopefully it’s not statistically significant?
Blockchain ID and Voting. Problem solved. This issue and the electoral college is brought up every 4 years, then fades away soon after the news cycle shifts. No matter how much we talk and make RUclips videos about it, like it was a new issue, not a lot really changes.
Hate to say it, but if you live in a mostly lib/repub state, your vote really doesn't count if you vote against the flow. Electoral College has got to go.
You are aware that there are other things to vote on besides the Presidency. You could make an argument that those other races will affect your day to day life a lot more than the President.
The Electoral College was put in place to protect the low population states from not being able to have any say in their areas because of being overwhelmed by the votes of high population states. Specifically, farm and ranch states that had large areas, but few in population, versus cities that had much smaller areas but huge numbers of people. Without the Electoral College, states with large populations could simply dominate every election due to their numbers, which by the way is what a Democracy is; majority or mob rule. Unfortunately, a majority rule system always devolves into a tyranny, typically with two sides fighting against each other to gain power and prevent the other side from ever doing to them, what they did to gain power. Thus the winner becomes a tyrant, doing whatever it takes "by any means necessary" to keep themselves in power forever. The Electoral College is a hedge against that, and should NOT be eliminated.
You can, with a bottle a rag and some gasoline. But "hacking" a lot of paper votes is a lot harder as you need to save up a lot of bottles and gas is expensive ;)
Nah, its because the political will says if voting is too easy, many places would rather steer into a direction the people who say "its not possible EVAR" don't like.
People saying things like this genuinely don't understand security practices. The databases do not need to be "Online". You can have a database that is not directly facing the internet that can only be interacting with using something like an API. An API, instead of giving unfettered access to a database, will only allow what the creator of the API allows it to do. Essentially, this means that nobody can access that database, as the API will only have specific functions -- none of those could give access to the database. You can use this along with many other cybersecurity practices to secure things better than you can a piece of paper. Nobody's going to get into my encrypted hard drive if I don't want them to -- but someone can steal a piece of paper, very easily.
@@oksowhatwhen the paper is ash it doesn't matter if the ink didn't dissolve. That said, first, there's many methods of interfering with a paper ballot system, similar to an electronic or online system, the question is just putting in safeguards. It's totally possible to run elections online safely and with trust, and it's all too easy to sell people on distrust with any novel approach. The parent comment is just doing the latter.
Government can map cryptography public keys to identities without even knowing private keys (when a person generates it first time in-person to properly verify) and if something happens people come in person to government offices to regenerate it. Actual voting can be run on a blockchain where US states or electoral college participants would run blockchain nodes ensuring enough decentralization across the country. Also its actually only one party that resists going forward with Voter IDs...
I already see replies that will say - if government servers where identities mappings are stored are breached you will be able to see who voted for whom - so what? Why should it be such a mystery? You also cannot do anything else with just public keys.
@@Deadstep7 I agree with your core idea, but I understand the need for anonymity. If groups in support of a dictator can find out, they can find the "enemies within" to punish them. Humans can be amazing individually, but monstrous as group sizes increase.
@@chrisdonovan8795 some bulletproofs or zk proofs can be added to this for privacy tbh to process voting results, overall privacy can be solved technically in some ways
1. Get national ID 2. Let people vote multiple times and only count the last vote like Estonia. 3. Make several trials of the voting system and confirming the vote before submitting for real to significantly reduce the effect of malware. 4. DDoS attack isn't really that big a deal because the alternative is to just use physical voting instead.
Voting multiple times still cannot prevent attacks via the digital counting system. If you cannot make votes inspectable by the voter (which cannot be allowed if you think your citizens might be physically threated if they "voted incorrectly", coersion with other words) then every voter must blindly trust the system to collect and count all votes accurately. All digital systems are vulnerable to supply chain attacks and nation level attackers with big budgets can do surprisingly elaborate attacks. If you can make votes public (that is, open voting) and everybody can check the votes of everybody, then everybody can run their own software to validate the voting results and they can also verify that their own vote has been collected correctly in the public database.
One of the few people on social media who just suggest they vote without saying who they should vote for. Excellent work, just encouraging people to vote without trying to manipulate who they vote for.
It's a puzzle to me. We completely trust secure online banking with trillions of dollars, but somehow this is different. There are many other countries who do vote via the internet and trust the outcomes. Can you imagine how much money that would save taxpayers?
I am French and voted online. There are at least 3 layers of security required to vote, including time gateways and in-person registration. The 4 hurdles represented here should not be considered barriers but challenges to overcome and they can be. DoS attacks are almost a thing of the past these days and can be planned for. This electronic system can run for weeks and run parallel to in-person voting to ensure full democratic access and account for everyone's digital comfort levels. Instead of saying why we can't, let's challenge ourselves to how we can. When everyone votes, we all feel we win.
@@Bl00dMalice As I mentioned, the way to mitigate DoS attacks is to spread the window to several days or weeks. Also, we are talking about government bodies, not small servers or companies with little resources. They have the capability to mitigate and defend against DoS attacks.
Thank you for asking these questions and sharing this information. It’s super helpful as an ex-pat who was trying to understand why online voting isn’t in place.
Hey Cleo, I recently discovered your content and am an instant fan! I love science and the world is in desperate need of optimism, so please keep doing what you're doing. Could you maybe do something on how/if block chain could be a potential solution to this problem? It seems like it could be, but my knowledge on it is pretty limited. Isn't it a decentralized record of transactions that is verifiable and able to remain anonymous?
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For those outside the US: Did you know US election day is NOT a public holiday? Yup, you heard right. They make it on a Tuesday, (not a Monday or Friday which would make it more likely that people take a long weekend and vote), and they keep it a regular working day. It's almost like the US government doesn't really want to maximize voter turnout.
It's not a public holiday in the Netherlands. Voting usually takes me 10/15 minutes. Most schools have a voting location and schools are all over the Netherlands. You can vote during the day, your lunch break, before work, after work. It's easy and no issue during work days when set up to make it easy for people to vote.
@@FrancSchiphorst same here in denmark, ive lived 4 different places while elections have taken place and its always been less than 1.5km away making it easy to just swing by and cast my vote.
Partially correct. While it isn't technically a public holiday, businesses here in the US are REQUIRED to let you vote on election day. They don't have to give you the whole day off, but it is a legal requirement that they give you reasonable time to vote on election day.
almost all states give you early voting. There is no reason to have it be a holiday.
But elections aren't only on election day anymore. I can vote in person for the whole month preceding Nov 4. And you can mail in your ballot as well if you know that day is going to be inconvenient.
The US not having a national ID and having elections on Tuesdays (= workdays that aren't public holidays) are two things that sound crazy to me. The moment you turn 18, by law you're required to HAVE an ID in my country, it's compulsory. And the elections always take place on a Sunday (with only *one* exception in my lifetime). If a party tried to disenfranchise people in such a blatant way, we would just vote them out (and there'd be nationwide protests).
Sorry it strikes you as crazy. Pretty well accepted in the US, going back many decades. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same in my country as well.
But the election is usually scheduled on a Weekday.
And that day will be a Holiday for the entire Nation.
Just because everyone has a right to vote, doesn't mean everyone should vote. The only people who should vote are the ones who put in the effort and care enough to make an educated decision. Uneducated voters voting cause so many problems.
The States retain a lot of powers to create their own laws. The fed also has a lot of power, but if we Americans don't like the laws in our state, we can move to a different one (long as you can afford to move).
Our states run their own elections, administer their own drivers licenses and state ids, determine their own school curriculum, administer welfare programs, collect taxes, and so much more.
Its kind of fundamental to our form of government that the fed doesn't interfere too much with states' rights to govern themselves.
We have early voting here. You can show up almost any day, including Saturday, 2 weeks before election day. Not that complicated.
In Brasil we have Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) which is a microcomputer that is not connected to the internet for specific use for elections. We have biometric identification to make sure no one can vote twice and the results come out just a few hours after the election. It's fast, safe, efficient and fraud proof, it's one of the world's most advanced voting systems 🇧🇷
And when it's hacked at the OS level you have no backup and no recount.
It is not fraud proof as it does not produce a voter verified non-digital counterpart to the electronic ballot. A more fraud resilient system would be the one described at 2:23.
@@crhu319 each machine is checked before the election to check for a zero count voting record. Any anomalies found, the machine is replaced.
Also, party representatives inspect the machines prior deployment.
@@crhu319 It cannot be hacked since it's not connected to the internet and the machines are checked every step of the electoral process to ensure it's safe and according to the law
EVM are used my alot
online voting is a mess, but the resistance to national ID in the us is so baffling to me
A particular party claims it's difficult for some folks to get it. They even outlaw asking for ID in some states to vote.
We have national ID's in France, issued free of charge by the state. It's remarkably convenient.
In India, which is not a developed country, a voter ID card is mandatory for voting
USA's stupid politics is extremely entertaining.
It's not a "resistance in the US", it's purely a looney left phenomena. Makes you wonder why they oppose it, and I can't think of anything else but that they want to abuse it to cheat in the elections.
To my understanding, it would need to be free otherwise it’s just a tax to vote. And having the government pay for evergone’s free ID is an “unnecessary expense” to some representatives. So we are back where we started.
I have met people very recently in the past few months who said they don’t vote because they don’t feel their vote matters, which I find to be very very sad especially in an election like this
A large amount of votes don't actually matter. Founders purposely set it up that way.
Because a lot of votes don't actually matter. Founders made it that way on purpose.
I still think it’s sad when people think that their votes don’t matter in an election like this that’s coming up every vote count
@@DavidPearl23 They are correct to think so. Just fix the election system to make all votes equal, problem solved.
@@armorclasshero2103 You're not helping. Yes the Electoral College needs to be fixed but if nobody voted, there wouldn't even be an election.
Great video! Tom Scott made two great videos on this subject.
I think the biggest upgrade we can do to the voting is to have the voting do be a holiday/weekend so the most people can vote. As they do in some countries.
Yeah, I am from Czechia and our ballots are always open on Friday 2PM - 10PM and Saturday 8AM - 2PM. One generally finds a window to go and vote :) I always knew that in USA people vote on Tuesday but never considered what an impact that can have on turnout.
only the rich don't work on weekends, the poor work the weekends
What irritates me is how we puff up the presidential election and say it's so important to vote while local elections have a much bigger effect in our day to day lives. But, the turnout is much lower, and often, candidates run unopposed.
The unopposed thing is MASSIVE, often the case where there is only 1 option even in the same party.
Thats because the presidency is the ONLY national candidate. Big international mainstream media will blow their wad on this MxAmerica Contest.
Major senators get some coverage....house elections are likely not going to get any TV network airplay unless there is a scandal.
Local papers and TV news used to heavily cover local elections, house and senate seats....even have a nightly or weekly report from the state capitol.
There are few local stations or newspapers anymore. They are owned by a big national syndicate. The syndicate sends scripts to the local news or writes generic columns. That's why when people record all the local news on a particular week...all the talking heads are saying exactly the same thing. Same catch phase, same banter.
People usually like their local government, so they don't feel the need to turn out for an election to choose between two candidates that both want to do basically the same thing.
@@jandraelune1 how about the same person being on the ballot for BOTH parties? This is how it is for the majority of local positions in my area. I try to vote against those people in the primaries, but there's not always enough options to.
Maybe the presidential election doesn't change much for you, but it's also so important for the world itself. I don't want a foreign country, in which I can't vote, to effect my life. But sadly this is the case and I sure hope that this year the people take the reasonable choice. Not just for America, but for the world.
Yeah.. You can exclude Russia and Belarus from "people can choose" map.
In the US, Germany, France, UK it's the same thing, but you don't realize it. The media system chooses its candidates, its political opponents, it's a well-organized circus.
@@SoPeter216Having a poor or declining democracy isn't same as having no democracy !!
@@SoPeter216 You've got to be crazy to think that the UK and Russia are the same thing.
I live in Poland, close to Belarus. You may be surprised, but they really want Lukashenko to rule.
@@maleldil1 All I see is that in democratic countries, politicians implement policies against their own state, while in so-called dictatorial countries, politicians put their nation first.
Hard NO to online voting!!🗳️
I’m an Estonian and I remember actually going to the ballots for my first ever voting after turning 18. It was a great experience but by now I’ve voted more times from abroad than at the actual voting station. During our last elections i casted my vote from a poolside at Vietnam. And while I understand the risks with online voting, I remind myself that during our era of soviet union somehow voting on paper ended up with 99,9% of our nation “voting” for the communist party 😂 (just to clarify to anyone outside of the former soviet union. We really-really-really didnt want to belong there)
Well that is because pn;y one party. the communist controls everythign and that is wht 99% of votes are for the communists. They control all the ballot boxes, the "counting" of the votes. I'm sure there is no cheating. One party rule is dangerous and that is what the democrats want in the USA by open borders as a way to citizenship to vote and making Puerto Rico and Washington DC a state. Imagine if the Republicans say that anyone from Poland or Ukraine can migrate here with no checks and become citizens and the territoties of Guam and American Samoa (conservative legislatures) should be made states.
As an Estonian I am very glad that our country is so digitally advanced, we can basically do all of our daily tasks online and also our education is the most advanced in Europe. Thought I am not old enough to vote I think that this is a brilliant system, I wish that other countries could adapt some of our ideas.
I'm super annoyed we haven't taken any lessons from Estonia in Finland. So many cool tech ideas around.
That digital advancement can be easily exploited. Look at the 2007 bronze soldier incident. Your nation was effectively shut down for weeks.
Your education is not the most advanced in Europe.
@@esaedvik now imagine what sweden thinks
@@a7699aaa The 2022 PISA educational survey says otherwise. In it Estonian 15-year-olds are at the absolute top in Europe and the top eight in the world. I say this as a German with no small amount of envy.
This felt like an answers in progress video. Very well made
A basic computer security rule is: “You can’t trust the client.” Someone who has physical possession of the device can get into it. There is no such thing as perfect security.
Votes could be signed by personal certificate stored on ID card, this is much more secure than anything "human"
@@___ko___false. Signing via card still needs a device to do it, that can simply get between the card and the end system. Human systems are secured by virtue of requiring both presence and human effort, and importantly that security can be improved just by adding more humans. It’s easy to understand and verify even by people not that bright who think personal certificates fix the client security problem.
@bwake Then you should withdraw any amount from your banking app since you possess it.
@bwake Then you should withdraw any amount from your banking app since you possess it.
Whilst basically true, If it were that un-nuanced nothing would be secure online and our current online lives would be impossible. We just don't BLINDLY trust the client.
I can’t believe you voted for Peter Parker for district clerk. He’s clearly under qualified!
Well as they say, with a mediocre amount of power comes a mediocre amount of responsibility.
Not only that, but he's always spinning webs.
JJJ, is that you?
I love your shows.
So glad you started your own thing.
Btw, that Henson Razor, is the real deal. I've had one for over a year, I'm still happy I got it
Because it’s a security nightmare.
See Tom Scott’s video from years ago.
Even Jimmy Carter concluded this decades ago.
Ye and the fact that you don't need ID to vote is not a security nightmare ?
@@TheVanglume nope. we do it all the time with basically no issues. why would an ID be necessary? lol.
@@snowballeffect7812 The amount of very basic level issues with online voting can never be solved. It is inherently not feasible, ever.
Absolutely she should have mentioned this video as it's very clear and concise, you don't want to vote online, period.
Here in Australia it's mandatory for both local state and national elections so most of the country votes (about 95%). Which solves at least one part of the problem, doesn't help with the fact that most people have no idea about the actual policies of the person they are voting for. :(
and it doesn't make an iota of difference for anything important like CBDC or tyrannical BS like the UN "pact of the future" (you'll wanna look that up). Both Liberal and Labour sell us out. Our unaparty is worse than the US unaparty in many way. They are destroying freedom of speech. They are banning cash. No citizens have been asking for any of that. They are clearly following somebody elses agenda that is against our interests. People need to wake up.
Hi fellow Aussie
@@a-non-a-mouse We aren't required to vote. We are required to attend a polling place (or have a mail ballot issued) and receive a ballot paper. What the voter then does with that ballot paper is up to them (provided they don't disrupt the polling place). There is nothing requiring that they place a vote on that ballot paper.
The only requirement is that your name is marked off the electoral roll.
@@a-non-a-mouse you wouldn't understand the concept of civic duty, don't worry about it.
@@a-non-a-mouse It's not really a case of better or not, I'm just saying in America there is a considerable problem with voter suppression. If people have to vote it takes that manipulation out of the game. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of passionate people voting in America soon that are totally uninformed about what they are voting for. I think the only way to solve that is with education which is definitely a long way off for either of our countries.
"a denial of service attack" is the best description of the USA voting system I've heard so far
p.s. 19yo Cleo is sooo cute. Thanks for sharing that picture.
5:45 - As an additional security measure in Estonia you can also go and vote on paper. In that case your online vote is annulled.
Which is how they found out that there is a huge voter fraud going on online. Some people who went to vote in person were told that they had already voted online, even if they had not.
It’s utterly impossible to have an online vote that is secret and secure. Your online vote could be changed on your own computer before you make it, and without a way to check it was cast as you intended you would never know to check the paper record. If you always check the paper record you’ve just invented an expensive pencil.
@@peter65zzfdfh Please explain how my vote could be *changed* before I even make it?
Also there is a way to check your i-vote in the Estonian system.
Also, also in the paper only system there is literally no way I can check my vote after I have cast it.
Risk of the denial of service attacks is solved in Estonia. In Estonia you cannot vote online on the main day of election but during a week or so before. Also you can always recast your online vote either online or as a paper ballot vote, but you can't recast paper ballot vote online or somewhere else.
Yeah, it's weird she didn't mention such a basic solution. Just make the window for voting longer, see if the hackers can keep a denial of service for a month.
@@pxkqdalso its not like they abolished any other method of voting. if the servers get ddosed u can still go vote by paper
@@pxkqd The US is terrible at keeping voting places open. Opening times vary from state to state, and sometimes between counties and cities within a state. It's a backwards, barbarous place.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 100%. They passed laws to prevent people handing out water to those waiting in line. Can you imagine having to wait in line to vote? I mean... I have but for minutes behind about six people, not hours. Just have more volunteers handling the voters, or more polling stations! We imported the disgusting idea of Voter ID from the US to the UK and it's an absolute waste of time and effort. Completely insane.
@@pxkqd DDos can be kept on for a long time, see how Internet archives was affected
I am a security expert. Online security is just not reliable. The problem comes from once the system is online attacks can happen at scale. Once the vulnerability is identified, the whole election would be invalid.
Expert on what actually? Do you have any iso certification
@ Several and over 30 years in the field. I am also a contributor and reviewer of the CISSP exam.
Wait... you guys don't have a Nation ID card??? Ho... how?? 🤯
Freedom of expression something like that. The closest thing we have is SSN numbers, which were designed to get aid from the government.
Short and extremely simplified version is - the constitution doesn't grant the federal government the power to make a national ID. Instead, that power is reserved for the constituent states.
We don't trust our government, we learned from germany's mistakes during world war 2. We would rather not freely hand that much data to the government especially in the modern age. Always ask yourself this question when you vote to give your government a new power or authority. Would I want hitler to have this power?
@@Elivagar666 Does the constitution expressly prohibit the federal government from doing it, or does it merely authorize states to issue ID.
Before you answer that, ask yourself who issues passports and military IDs & whether they qualify as 'national IDs'
@@dgthe3 The tenth amendment states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". The powers described are in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.
So we’ve got a clumsy system where things like passports, military ID, and SSI numbers serve as a de facto national ID. Because things like immigration (passports), armed forces (military ID), and taxation (SSI) are within the federal government’s enumerated powers.
In the UK, we don't even have ballots machine-read. Nope, I go and put a pencil 'x' in a square, and post it in a box. That box is taken to the Town Hall at 10pm, and humans count them.
Oh, and UK elections are always on a Thursday.
Cleo you are one of the best storytellers on RUclips and you are also one of the best at highlighting sponsor value. 😎Prodigious work!
I've wondered about the reasons we don't have online voting here in Australia - your video makes it all much clearer. Great work as usual. :)
Can you explain it to me cuz I I was lost in thought while watching the video
@Hussien.. main reason is the fact that just because you have a myGov account it doesn't guarantee that you're not being pressured to vote one way or another. A hidden ballot in public means no one knows how we vote, so we can vote anyway that we like. I'd love online voting for the convenience, but all the points in the video make sense. The one I mentioned is probably the main one If I understand it all correctly. Have a great day.
One other thing you started to touch on but didn't really follow through on. Your online banking is not actually truly secure. The only thing modern encryption does is make it too expensive to overcome, similar to physical security. No lock is unpickable and no encryption is unhackable. It is merely very expensive to do so.
If your bank account has $100 in it, why would someone dedicate potentially $100,000 or millions in computing equipment and effort to hack you? Now compare that to a national election. Suddenly there are literally billions of dollars at stake, so the resources that are worth spending on overcoming the encryption have ballooned.
Depends on what encryption we are talking about, but in reality we have no proof that anyone can even remotely break the RSA minimum 4096 bit keys or has reversed engineered the RSA algorithm. By purely brute forcing would be impossible, so they would need to find certain patterns in prime/random number generations that would somehow limit the possible generated keys to small enough set that can be brute force checked. This is one theoretical way, but for large keys today’s technology seems to have no way cracking it
@Nublus pure brute forcing is fundamentally NOT impossible. If it were impossible, we would have no need for private passwords. What it is, is impractical. Those are two *very* different things.
If you have a database leak of RSA 4096 bit passwords, cracking them is no different than cracking 128 is. It just requires "more." More computation, more time, more efficient guessing. But what it does NOT require is "different."
That's ultimately my point. "More" in this case always means "money." When the reward is negligible, then extremely expensive to break security is very useful, but as the monetary reward for cracking goes up, the amount of money it's worth spending to crack it goes up, too.
Modern security is not about making it impossible to get into, but too expensive and impractical to get into.
@@Nublus pure brute forcing is not IMPOSSIBLE. It is IMPRACTICAL. Besides, defeating the encryption is only one way to gain access. They could also, again hypotheticals so everything is on the table, get your passwords directly from you. If the cost/benefit is worth it, it's a possibility. That's why security escorts exist.
Thanks for doing this video. I always wanted to know the answer to this question! You’re the best!
In my state, anyone who has a mailing address can vote by mail. It's convenient, secure, and you have extra time from when you get your ballot to when you mail it in to do your research on downballot initiatives and candidates. This is a secure standard that should be available all over the country. Not quite as convenient as online, but much more secure. As for the people who need to vote in person on election day, of course that should always be an option and if the rest of us vote by mail the in-person voting should go much more smoothly as well.
Election day should be a holiday too, so everyone gets the chance to vote.
I had planned on dropping off my ballot in person, but instead just wound up mailing it because I was at the Post Office anyway. People in these ED's with huge lines should do this. You can kiss election day goodbye as a holiday...big business got that back and arent giving it up. Myself - I work in the kind of job where if I wanted to take an hour off to vote, it would be fine. Not everyone is as fortunate.
There's been criticisms that dead people have been used to vote through the mail--and many of those concerns have in fact been proven to have happened. There have also been numerous instances of corrupt mail organizations and certain individuals collecting large groups of mail in ballots and throwing them out, which have also happened.
I wonder why there is no national ID card in the US. It's one of the main ID documents here in Europe and since you can travel in the whole Schengen area using only your national ID card many people don't even have passports. ID cards in the EU contain biometric information and can be used for verification online. We even have authentification apps that you tie to your national ID card by reading the chip on your card through NFC and then you can use those apps to login into online banks, sign documents, verify yourself on government sites, authorize purchases online, and so on. Why isn't it a thing in the US?
Privacy and security. Imagine what hitler could do with all that information you are freely giving to your government. The idea "I have nothing to hide" only really applies when your morals match the governments.
Our states have a right to govern themselves, and it's kind of fundamental to our form of government. So States administer IDs and driver's licenses as part of that self governance.
Also, the fed is SOOO far out of reach for any regular American. Our state reps are far more accountable and localized to the people than any federal representatives.
@@reed6514states, like GA, have federally accepted IDs, as do most states. We get these bc we show multiple forms of ID to prove we are citizens. If you’re a citizen it’s not hard at all. Most states have something similar except the known democrat strongholds like CA, IL, NY. There’s only ONE reason you wouldn’t want an ID to vote when you need it for everything else. Fraud. Stop lying to yourself. Gig is up
@@reed6514 I don't see what the big holdup would be then. Every country in the EU is a totally independent entity, even more so than American states are to the federal government. Just give all states a common ID benchmark that's recognizable everywhere, let them administer the specifics for their own state, and make them distribute them to every citizen (free of charge). The EU has been doing it for decades I don't see why you couldn't.
P.S: We also don't even need to register to vote, in my case the government issues voting IDs to every citizen when they turn 18 through the mail. You don't have to request it, they just send it to you.
@@cpthf3535 well our IDs do work across states and so its basically just fine. You get a new state id if you move though. And registering to vote, at least in my state, is extreeeeemely easy, then you get a new voter registration card in the mail before each election.
Wow, this channel feels like watching veritasium, just in another genre, enjoying it
1:50 I’ve voted online for New Zealand before. Interesting that we’re not represented on the map
You're lucky if NZ is even on a map
New zealand doesn't matter much on a larger geopolitical game. That's why there r less concern
usa hates geography, everybody knows it
NGL New Zealand is so nice, the map probably doesn't think it's a real country. Trust me, stay in your country because everything outside of it is a shithole
@@jojosoni no, New Zealand does matter on a geopolitical game - if you don't think it does, you really don't understand politics. The reason they can do it, is because they are a competent well run country not full of absolute muppets like Cleo spoke to. US politics is completely corrupt, like Cuba corrupt or Russia corrupt.
Too many people do the "it should be a federal holiday" thing without realizing that a) federal holidays only apply to federal workers and banks, b) that would close the post office, impeding mail in voting, and c) that no matter how you slice it, the people at the bottom--retail workers, food service, etc.--are working at places that can't close down their essential services. Do you think we can just demand no one has to work and gas stations, grocery stores, tow trucks, police, fire departments, ems, hospitals, etc. Just close?
Most states require your employer to give you time off to vote. Most states have mail in voting, absentee voting, AND early voting. I'd just like it to be codified by the fed to be uniform across all states for clarity.
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Online voting is easy to model, hard to experiment, and impossible to fully secure as of today's technology
@@andrewshirley9240 I think you mean to say it's impossible to provide the guarantees required of an election.
@@andrewshirley9240 "easy" is questionable because hackers will work even harder to take or change results.
Humans can do wonders if the political will is there. People who talk like this must have ulterior motives.
We do far more sensitive activity online like filing taxes and banking. Online voting is very much possible butThey simply don't want to do it because then they can't keep rigging the elections
@@andrewshirley9240Anonymity IS part of “security” for the people who vote.
Huge props to you for making an informative and interesting video on voting that isn't bias one way or the other, and without expressing your own political views or endorsing a candidate! very refreshing and very cool video!
Huge props (if true) 😆
Really glad you brought up Estonia, as it’s one of the few countries that got it right. Granted, it’s got a small population, and building a system around a small number of participants is always easier. I do think, however, that there is a solid case for bigger democracies to take note of how Estonia managed to build its current e-governance system that includes much, much more than just online voting.
Cleo, if you’re reading this, it would be cool seeing an entire video on Estonia’s e-governance tech. If I’m not mistaken, Singapore and a few other countries are building theirs right now modeled after Estonia’s example.
In Brazil, we do Digital voting, but the machines are offline and have no IO other than a numeric keyboard, screen and a printer to print out a vote certificate. All machines are deployed at voting zones on election day, and recovered by the end of the day. The machines are connected to computers who read out the ballots and we have a same election day result.
It is fraud free, as there is no way to tamper with the machines during election. When deployed, the printer prints a Zero Voting certificate, that shows the memory is "empty" and another certificate is printed when collected, so you can audit the votes. Each voter has an voting ID, which is used on a terminal to prevent double voting. That terminal is not connected to the voting machine, to prevent people to be voting to a candidate under pressure.
It is not possible to audit votes on Brazil's voting system as it does not produce a voter verified non-digital counterpart to the electronic ballot. The system described at 2:23 does so and would allow votes to be auditable.
"You can just hand someone else the phone and they can vote."
And you can do that with mail-in paper ballots too. As long as the actual voter signs and mails it in.
As if someone is checking signatures?
@@benjamindover4337 They do in the UK. If your signature doesn't match enough on the postal vote declaration, the sealed vote doesn't get put in to be counted. I had that back in 2016 with the Brexit vote, they sent me a letter to say it was declined because they didn't think my signature matched.
@@BenIsInSweden oh interesting 🤔
@@benjamindover4337 The signatures absolutely are checked.
@@eric7591 we already established that Eric, try to keep up
This is a good strategy and smart way of voting I wish one day will vote this way❤
Safe online id and voting is one of the main applications of blockchain. Im baffled that theres still has not been a serious effort 15 years into this tech.
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@@tcbobb1613 and because it's not a solution. It's buzzwords.
Seriously voting via blockchain is incorruptible with a big enough network
It's funny how us talk about online voting while they don't have single ID for everyone.
This video rocks! Cleo and her team are reaching John Oliver levels of doesn’t miss
Russia being included in voting maps is craazy
Well, technically they vote. They just count them differently there. ;)
@@funkynerd_com*correction
They just don’t count them :/
@@funkynerd_com In Russia the election is over before it starts
Yea almost like if someone is voted as president they go to jail to die haha
Is just as crazy as including United States.
Estonia has a near perfect online "bureaucracy" . They vote online - and pretty sure they have tested their tech against Russian hackers.
Save us Estonia!
The problem is Estonia is a tiny target, there is almost no benefit to manipulating their election results. The US on the other hand is far more influential around the world, it is a much bigger target.
yeah Estonia is safe from Russia because Estonia is not rich, no political advantage and not a strategic location. if Estonia suddenly disappears no one would even know a thing
Estonia has 1.4 million citizens, and is around the 100th biggest country in terms of GDP. Not to belittle them, but in terms of global influence, they're not a very interesting target for international hacker organizations and foreign governments.
@@raizin4908 yeah 1.4m people and a GDP of $49 billion in international dollars they're richer than Zimbabwe
The US is fighting the equivelant of WWII frontlines everyday in cybersecurity. Estonia doesn't experience even a fraction of that kind of attack. Voting online is trash.
Excellent explanation. I too wondered why no smart phone voting. Perhaps one day. Thanks Vote 🇺🇸 ✌️
we need educated voters / not just voters. it's not just about the numbers
The problem in america is that our education system is biased and indoctrinating for one party. Just as the communists said they would do to us in the 60s.
@@John_Boy_24 well, if the goal is to represent what the most people in the country want it is about numbers. If we want what is best for the country it isn’t. But then again, it is impossible to decide who is educated and who is not without offending someone and being biased toward your own candidate. That is why everyone says that more total voters is better.
@reckingcrew2277 - by educated voters I mean, somehow with unbiased intentions, teach people who would like to be involved in their elections and vote, how to interpret news/information. Like how to do ones own research, how to vet claims/policies/etc, and mainly expand people's minds to more than just the headlines. Most humans can fill out scantron sheets, but with no understanding on how each circle filled has an effect on all things.
@John_Boy_24 going to college , which 80% of americans learn very little in and is an extension of highschool basics- doesn't make you an educated person. I know plenty of low iq college grads.
@@John_Boy_24 yea that would be great if that was possible.
11:00 - If the online voting period is the same as Early Voting then people would have days (weeks) to cast their ballot online. A delay of few hours on one day would not make a significant difference there.
Agreed, that also gives time for the Estonia solution of allowing you to change your vote, which solves problems 2 and 3 too.
Which just leaves problem 1, credentials, which doesn't seem to be a problem in the eight states that just mail ballots to everyone anyway.
Correct, that's why Estonia's online voting period is generally an entire week
Thank you. That was very informative.
Im in the military. My home state allows us to vote online. So i did. I had to request my ballot by email ahead of time. Then a few months before the election I got an email saying my ballot was ready. I went to the website, put in my info (full name, dob, drivers license or ssn). Then my ballot came up, i clicked the candidates, signed it digitally at the end and hit submit, it was fantastic and i wish i could vote liek this the rest of my life.
That's exactly what Elon Musk and Trump want to hear 😂
Estonian here 👋
As a full-time traveller and a digital nomad I can honestly say that being able to vote online is a true privilege.
It has definitely been worth the time and effort that our country put into this idea.
And I honestly hope that soon, the whole world can enjoy this privilege 😁.
HUGE IF TRUE 👍 🎉
Nope it’s ridiculous you shouldn’t able to vote if you can’t even take the time to show up in person to vote for your countries leader for the next 4 years. Sorry not sorry you don’t deserve that
@@kawaiihikari0 Exactly, democracy is a responsibility.
@ wow yes this is a great choice of words I’m going to use it! It is a responsibility!
@@kawaiihikari0 You think a vote cast in person is more valuable than a vote cast online or via post? This is nonsense.
@ not nonsense at all 😂 if you can’t show up to something important then you really don’t care about it that simple. Don’t know how else to simply it for you. A little slow ehh?
We can do both and see if it goes well or not
I mean it is even more stupid, that you have to sign up for voting.
Just work out early voting and send every one a letter who is registered as a citizen in the us.
Oh wait .. i see the problems
In the Netherlands you get your voting pass sent to your home, no need to register and you vote for what ever party/person in the booth. It usually takes me a 5 min walk and a couple minutes in the voting location. You have to present an ID but you need that anyways and drivers licence also counts.
@@FrancSchiphorst we never had ID in the UK, other than driving licences and passports which not everyone needs or has. Mind you, as much as I don't want ID to be a thing a policeman can question me about or people can expect me to produce, I'd happily trade that crucial liberty, if we could get proper cycle lanes separated by kerbs and at the same height as the road, and not blended with flipping pavements :D
in india election official will visit every home to register people to vote, basically to update the nominal roll.
Even before that, Portland and Vancouver (OR and WA) just had ballot drop boxes fire bombed. They are main voting exclusively.
Hi Cleo
I just want to say, that I love your energy and the glow you have when you do what you love
Thank you for sharing your blazing spirit and things "Huge, if true" with us 😊
I'm from the Netherlands and very grateful for the young Americans that gave their lives for me to have the right to vote 80 years later.
How about block chain?
Voting booths ensure privacy. Online vote does not.
What about using a block chain 🤔
Elections are so difficult; there needs to be a lot of trust in the system for the wheels to turn.
Can't have trust with mail in ballots and voting machines that are vulnerable. Ever my other nation has banned this due to corruption. But demkcrats want corruption. He'll they are fighting to keep illegals on the voting rolls.
actually, there needs to be zero trust in election systems. Everything should be clear, open, and verifiable.
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We've been voting by mail for years and years in Oregon. Love it!!!
No mention of block chain technology?
Exactly my comment… blockchain is the way to go for sure… I’m highly aggravated watching these experts flip cards tbh
doesn't solve the problem. see: Tom Scott. Blockhain is just a form of database, it's not a magic security button.
@@Molikaiyou have no idea what you’re talking about - sry not sry blockchain is decentralized system of checks and balances it’s not “some kind of database”
Why not use a golden hammer instead of blockchain? Golden hammers, like blockchain, can be used for ANY problem.
Seriously, how does blockchain solve the problem?
@@davestagner well, it solves (with some simple modifications) all 4 challenges mentioned in the video ... 1) credentials are automatic (e.g. you register your public key = wallet at registration - or if you live somewhere not in the voting stone age, you use your national id), 2) estonia's figured this one out already + you could "reregister" a different public key/wallet any number of times, 3) EIP-712 (for example), 4) e.g. you can vote at any time since the last election (until the next election day) + change your vote at any time ...
anything else?
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Another challenge you didn't include: usability, which makes the problem even harder. There are a variety of proposed solutions for each of the challenges, but the system has to be both highly secure and easy enough for both voters and election officials to succeed with confidence. And of course we have to be willing to pay the high costs of very secure and robust operations.
Well as a European, I don't even know why I'm watching this… 😂
Well, because we are facing the same challenges and discussions here. If we would never extend our horizon, how can we keep up with what's going on?
You are not living in a post democratic amoeba society on Mars.
Mostly it turns out to point and laugh at isolationist countries who acknowledge that other countries can do things, but they couldn't possibly because 'merica! She didn't do a good job here because she didnt' speak to any actual experts from places that have online voting, who I feel would likely have counter arguments to the gibbering lunatics she did speak to, who are all partisan hacks and live in a system with rampant political corruption to a degree most Europeans can't conceive of - and the ones who can grew up in East Germany or some other Soviet ruled country.
even?
Because what happens in USA is more important for your future than your local elections. Why? It's a long story...
In Brazil, we use an electronic voting system that greatly simplifies the process and ensures security. Since 1996, electronic voting machines have recorded votes directly in a digital system, eliminating the need for paper ballots and reducing the risk of fraud. The voter simply presents their ID, confirms their identity, and casts their vote by typing the candidate’s number on the machine, which shows a photo to ensure their choice is correct.
This auditable and confidential process allows for quick vote counting, with results available on the same day, ensuring accuracy and transparency. Additionally, the Brazilian Electoral Court conducts public tests and audits on the machines to guarantee system integrity. Like any system, there’s room for improvement, but overall, it’s a more direct and efficient process.
Brazil's voting system does not guarantee auditability of the election result, as it does not produce a voter verified non-digital counterpart to the electronic ballot.
The system described at 2:22 would be auditable, secure, fast and reliable, but Brazil does not use it.
I love that my vote has been casted! 2nd time doing my duty 👏
There's a saying I've learnt during my IT career, "There's no technical solution for a managerial problem".
Sometimes you'd be asked to make a technical solution when the problem really called for a manager to step in and make a change elsewhere in the company.
Elections are about as managerial a problem as I can think of. While it would be nice to have online voting I can't help but feel like it has to remain the way it is given the technical challenges it presents.
I think one day we can get there when our technology advances more. But for now, i totally agree. So don’t close your mind off to the idea completely because i think it’s at least possible, even if it’s far off.
@@amandatyler4324 The technology exists to make online voting safe and possible, it's just I wouldn't trust most governments to correctly implement the technology to truly make it secure.
Why would you need a national ID when you have the state ID and your social security number attached to it. The "credentials" challenge is either a simple problem or it is not explained well here.
social security was not created with the intent of being for identification, only as a mandatory pension account number. it has no security measures and is too short in length. and while state ID is reasonable on that front, its not quite recognized on the federal level like social security is.
@@g_vost That makes sense. I can see how the short ssn can be a problem. It could be used in conjunction with the state id but that'd complicate it as well. It still sounds like the easiest out of all the issues mentioned
@@g_vost But they do use your SSN as a verifier, at least in Nevada they do. You need to show them a picture ID to prove who you are. And then you provide the last 4 of your social to prove you are eligible to vote in the U.S., basically confirming you are a U.S. citizen.
@@MrWeezeloner what is, and what ought, are very different things
@@g_vost I'm confused. I'm not talking about anything that "ought" to be done. I'm talking about how identity and proof of eligibility to vote IS verified in the state of Nevada and in many if not all other states.
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But on the flip side... what's stopping people today from somewhere along the line, physically stealing or damaging postal votes so they don't reach the destination? And many other things. Aren't there hundreds of ways the system now is way worse than the theoretical online voting system? (A UK citizen wondering)
That's easy - there are systems in place to protect postal votes - but the main one is It simply does not scale ... like all paper voting, it takes a lot of people and a lot of visible effort to change just a few votes - it's all been tried, and it's failed ....
If someone steals votes you'll know there was a problem, where the problem was and and where the problem is. So it's easy to fix, just re-do the vote there. You can't always know when there's someone intercepting the data you're sending through your phone, nor the scale of the problem and how many people were affected by it
That just happened. Two ballot boxes in traditionally blue areas were damaged by incendiary IEDs today. One in Washington, the other in Portland. I haven't seen any detail in the reports on how they're going to help those voters re-cast their ballots, if they are at all.
So, there’s been some bomb threats on post in the USA… and in 2024 some (looks like youthful, likely to vote certain way) areas did have some arson/bombing of mail-in ballots in the past few days. Hopefully it’s not statistically significant?
How many ballet boxes can you destroy in one day? If the US allowed voting online, all of the votes could be changed within a day.
2:14 Woo! Bengali! "এখানে ভোট দিন"!
Your pic of when you first voted made my morning ☺️
Blockchain ID and Voting. Problem solved.
This issue and the electoral college is brought up every 4 years, then fades away soon after the news cycle shifts. No matter how much we talk and make RUclips videos about it, like it was a new issue, not a lot really changes.
No, no.. it's not solved. It really is a hard problem.
A lot of these problems exist for mail-in voting too.
Denial of service attacks: could that risk be minimised by extending the voting window to two weeks? Longer?
Hate to say it, but if you live in a mostly lib/repub state, your vote really doesn't count if you vote against the flow. Electoral College has got to go.
You are aware that there are other things to vote on besides the Presidency. You could make an argument that those other races will affect your day to day life a lot more than the President.
The Electoral College was put in place to protect the low population states from not being able to have any say in their areas because of being overwhelmed by the votes of high population states. Specifically, farm and ranch states that had large areas, but few in population, versus cities that had much smaller areas but huge numbers of people. Without the Electoral College, states with large populations could simply dominate every election due to their numbers, which by the way is what a Democracy is; majority or mob rule. Unfortunately, a majority rule system always devolves into a tyranny, typically with two sides fighting against each other to gain power and prevent the other side from ever doing to them, what they did to gain power. Thus the winner becomes a tyrant, doing whatever it takes "by any means necessary" to keep themselves in power forever. The Electoral College is a hedge against that, and should NOT be eliminated.
I figured the simple answer is online databases can be hacked and you can’t hack a piece of paper
You can, with a bottle a rag and some gasoline. But "hacking" a lot of paper votes is a lot harder as you need to save up a lot of bottles and gas is expensive ;)
Nah, its because the political will says if voting is too easy, many places would rather steer into a direction the people who say "its not possible EVAR" don't like.
People saying things like this genuinely don't understand security practices. The databases do not need to be "Online". You can have a database that is not directly facing the internet that can only be interacting with using something like an API. An API, instead of giving unfettered access to a database, will only allow what the creator of the API allows it to do. Essentially, this means that nobody can access that database, as the API will only have specific functions -- none of those could give access to the database.
You can use this along with many other cybersecurity practices to secure things better than you can a piece of paper. Nobody's going to get into my encrypted hard drive if I don't want them to -- but someone can steal a piece of paper, very easily.
@@FrancSchiphorst simply make a ink that does not dissolves in easily available solvents
@@oksowhatwhen the paper is ash it doesn't matter if the ink didn't dissolve. That said, first, there's many methods of interfering with a paper ballot system, similar to an electronic or online system, the question is just putting in safeguards. It's totally possible to run elections online safely and with trust, and it's all too easy to sell people on distrust with any novel approach. The parent comment is just doing the latter.
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Government can map cryptography public keys to identities without even knowing private keys (when a person generates it first time in-person to properly verify) and if something happens people come in person to government offices to regenerate it. Actual voting can be run on a blockchain where US states or electoral college participants would run blockchain nodes ensuring enough decentralization across the country. Also its actually only one party that resists going forward with Voter IDs...
I already see replies that will say - if government servers where identities mappings are stored are breached you will be able to see who voted for whom - so what? Why should it be such a mystery? You also cannot do anything else with just public keys.
@@Deadstep7 I agree with your core idea, but I understand the need for anonymity. If groups in support of a dictator can find out, they can find the "enemies within" to punish them. Humans can be amazing individually, but monstrous as group sizes increase.
@@Deadstep7 not with all blockchains, Monero is one that is completely anonymous.
@@chrisdonovan8795 some bulletproofs or zk proofs can be added to this for privacy tbh to process voting results, overall privacy can be solved technically in some ways
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1. Get national ID
2. Let people vote multiple times and only count the last vote like Estonia.
3. Make several trials of the voting system and confirming the vote before submitting for real to significantly reduce the effect of malware.
4. DDoS attack isn't really that big a deal because the alternative is to just use physical voting instead.
Voting multiple times still cannot prevent attacks via the digital counting system. If you cannot make votes inspectable by the voter (which cannot be allowed if you think your citizens might be physically threated if they "voted incorrectly", coersion with other words) then every voter must blindly trust the system to collect and count all votes accurately.
All digital systems are vulnerable to supply chain attacks and nation level attackers with big budgets can do surprisingly elaborate attacks.
If you can make votes public (that is, open voting) and everybody can check the votes of everybody, then everybody can run their own software to validate the voting results and they can also verify that their own vote has been collected correctly in the public database.
I love the style of this video. One of my favorites from you, Cleo!
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One of the few people on social media who just suggest they vote without saying who they should vote for.
Excellent work, just encouraging people to vote without trying to manipulate who they vote for.
How about using block chain technology for online voting? Isn't it a good idea?
No because if the Block chain is use there won't be secret voting
But then you have the problem of verifiable secrecy. But yes, blockchain should be used if we go for online voting.
It's a puzzle to me. We completely trust secure online banking with trillions of dollars, but somehow this is different. There are many other countries who do vote via the internet and trust the outcomes. Can you imagine how much money that would save taxpayers?
Do we really count what Russia does "voting?"
If you think American votes count, then Russian votes count. Both countries are equally run by oligarchs.
As a British citizen living abroad I’d really benefit from online voting.
I saw this channel from shorts , surprised by how intresting this is!
I support secure online voting.
I don’t think it’s possible to be fully secure.
@@Amsterdampardoc1 Is that also true of OFFLINE voting? Maybe the goal should be for ONLINE voting to be at least as secure as OFFLINE voting.
Cue angry Tom Scott fans...
Oh, there are lots of Tom Scott fans chiming in here, but predictably, none of us are angry. :-)
You are an amazing interviewer. You found the right guys, asked them the right questions to make this Leviathan understandable. Great work. God bless
I am French and voted online. There are at least 3 layers of security required to vote, including time gateways and in-person registration. The 4 hurdles represented here should not be considered barriers but challenges to overcome and they can be. DoS attacks are almost a thing of the past these days and can be planned for. This electronic system can run for weeks and run parallel to in-person voting to ensure full democratic access and account for everyone's digital comfort levels. Instead of saying why we can't, let's challenge ourselves to how we can. When everyone votes, we all feel we win.
If you cant see the person voting then 100% chance for fraud
DDoS is not a thing of the past. Its still a valid threat even today.
@@Bl00dMalice As I mentioned, the way to mitigate DoS attacks is to spread the window to several days or weeks. Also, we are talking about government bodies, not small servers or companies with little resources. They have the capability to mitigate and defend against DoS attacks.
Thank you for asking these questions and sharing this information. It’s super helpful as an ex-pat who was trying to understand why online voting isn’t in place.
Oh my, this woman is STUNNING AND GORGEOUS.!
This was incredibly well presented and 100% covers the fundamental issues with online voting.
Hey Cleo, I recently discovered your content and am an instant fan! I love science and the world is in desperate need of optimism, so please keep doing what you're doing.
Could you maybe do something on how/if block chain could be a potential solution to this problem? It seems like it could be, but my knowledge on it is pretty limited. Isn't it a decentralized record of transactions that is verifiable and able to remain anonymous?
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I saw the bangali language behind you at 2.15 sec. I am happy to see that. From Bangladesh🇧🇩 (your regular viewer)
Here in Colorado we have vote by mail, which is quite awesome.
Yesterday I voted for the mayoral candidate in the OFFLINE electronic ballot box in Brazil.
Good video! Something about your energy doesn’t quite click with me, but I’m open to watching more of your content. Keep up the good work!