11 onwards strongly imply that it's some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Light came to think of himself as guilty for Wily getting the shaft in university and therefore shifting gears to taking over the world. This leads Light to try and reform Wily even if he started exploiting the benefit of the doubt. Going by the conversation he has with Zero in X6, it took him 100 years to finally realize his friend is beyond saving.
@@PowerSimplified1871 if you first find a Light capsule as Zero, he'll ask how he was brought back (as "I hid myself" was a lie to make X not worry about it). Zero thinks Light did it, but the capsule denies this and avoids mentioning "Isoc"
Of note is that Dr. Wily is presumed dead after Mega Man 3, and I think the intention of the story of 4 was that to the characters, the reveal of Wily being behind the events of the game were doubly shocking since they thought he was dead. This is not expressly stated, but it could be one argument that 4 has to be the next game in the timeline after 3.
I like in Mega Man 11 they showed Dr Wily being under-minded and sidelined because Dr. Light was the "ethically" favorite. Yet he still thinks him and Wily could be friends...he's way to nice and caring for his own good.
I like to think that mega man is so fuelled by bloodlust after murdering several bosses and their army of minions that he has to walk away from Wily before he goes sicko mode
I prefer the way Bob and George explained it: Dr. Wily after Mega Man 2 pretended to have amnesia from a head injury and pretended to be completely reformed and was bad at acting but Dr. Light was so distraught over losing his friend he wanted desperately to believe Wily was normal again so he could get back to making robots with his best friend.
i don't know if capcom ever put out a statement, but i do know that inafune at least apologized for the game. but it's pretty safe to assume it's non-canon anyway since it's never referenced in any canon media
@@perplexativekhat Not only that but we've got good reason to believe it was originally meant to be an X series game (the mass murdering thing would fit way better in there), from the two pages of that cancelled auction script for what got turned into SuperAdventure.
I remember hearing a long time ago that Keji Inafune never liked Super Rockman Adventure, because of all the human casualties the game shows. But I've never seen anyone from capcom ever write it off as not canon before. Perhaps we will never know.
This is the only channel where I can find extremely niche videos about Mega Man lore that I so desperately crave. I'd love to see a video in the future talking about the classic Mega Man series' weird relationship with robots from space.
Dr. Light could have a mix of things....A) he's in denial, because some sources suggest they were originally colleagues, and he may have had a bit of hand with some of those robots (which explains why DLN 003 to 008 were captured, maybe Dr. Wily surreptiously put in some kind of "take-over chips" and activated them as part of his plan, by this point DLN 000 had gone AWOL, and Rock and Roll were seen as "not worth it" , because Dr. Wily had no idea that Rock could be "upgraded.") B) yes, Dr. Light is an expert in robots. But when it comes to humans, and emotions, and relations, and trust, and all that...he's utterly clueless. Which explains why he didn't see any red flags when strange things started happening during the whole Gamma incident. He accepted Wily's explanation hook, line, and sinker. Ok, maybe a combination of A and B.
Dr. Light: Creates the high tech Robot Masters that have independent thought Also Dr. Light: Trust a person who’s clearly a criminal And people thought the inventor of the PokeDex not remembering his own grandson’s name was stupid
I just like to consider the Archie comics version of events canon given how much work went into making the events of the games have natural progression and meaningful story differences. I know it's not, but it's my favorite version of the canon. Shame we'll never see it continue.
I definitely could see Light forgiving Wily at the end of 2 and just let him stay at the lab. Also, I remember the Wily scene at Light Lab in Super Adventure is actually a flashback. So Wily went to the ruin and found out about the Ra Moon meteor between 2 and 3, and then return to the ruin after at least 4.
7:14 - Give or take Mega Man: Rush Marine, a game set between 2 and 3 where Wily causes havoc under the sea so Light gives Rush his Marine form (and apparently a Copy System) to take the fight to Wily.
Actually, he’s a character original to the Archie comics. I’d still recommend giving them a read, he has a lot more charm and things to do in the original story arcs then you’d expect
The Archie Comics, both Sonic and Mega Man, kicked ass. I hope Ian Flynn does Lost Hedgehog Tales, and maybe even Lost Mega Man Tales, to show how things could have gone if they continued...
His name is Gill D. Stern. Him and his partner Rose N. Krafts investigate Dr. Light after the events of MM1 to make certain that Albert and Light weren’t working together on the whole ‘Attack of the Robots’ business. Their names are both Hamlet references.
My headcanon is that in Mega Man 1, he just convinces Mega Man that he is done with world domination, in Mega Man 2, Mega Man is just too emotionally numb to give a shit, Mega Man 3 he's assumed dead, Mega Man 4 and 5 he escapes, Mega Man 6 he's arrested, Mega Man 7 he's taken to safety by Bass & Treble, Mega Man 8, 9, and 10 he escapes, though how on Earth did he escape out the window without getting caught...? Mega Man 11 he escapes, World I and II he gets blown up in the atmosphere, III and IV not so much, and Mega Man V despite how cool it'd be for an ending to have him get blown up in the Wily Star, he clearly makes it to Earth and somehow is able to run for dear life faster than Mega Man. I don't think Super Adventure Rock Man was canon.
Personally, I'd go the Archie route and have Super Adventure Rockman in between 2 and 3 to explain why everyone thought Wily reformed. It would also give the Stardroids an origin story since Ra Moon created them in said comics.
You know, Wily always goes on about threatening the world with domination but at the real core of the matter Wily is just having a pissing match with Dr Light. He hardly actually threatens anything cause he has to get around Light and his blue boy first. Honestly if Light wasn't around no one could stop Wily period, those 2 are geniuses that no one in the world can match for over 1000 years.
I don't see how Dr. Light being naive is so unbelievable given that he had no back up plan of his own in case his Robot Masters went bad and that in every medium he still wishes to be friends with Dr. Wily. Plus Super Adventure Rockman is a great watch.
Attempting to make sense of very long running superhero comics runs into some similar issues. Some dark horse grey morality character (e.g. Two-Face, etc.) can only stay in this situation so long - after the last 5 times they indulged their evil side, it's pretty clear that they can't be trusted and should be treated like a normal villain. And even when there isn't thematic disconnects - just how many adventures are these same characters going to have, anyway? At least robots are plausibly immortal, but do life-extension drugs exist in the world of Mega Man? (Probably not, since Wily is MIA and presumably long dead in the MMX timeline, right?) Wily & Light will both be up in their years if Capcom ever makes a MM12...
6:36 - I’m pretty sure those were caused by the normal enemies like Metools, Picklemen, Sniper Joes, and Big Eyes. There’s a tie-in comic to Mega Man 4 that also recapped these events and established that Wily’s immediate priority to world conquest was to build and/or hijack enough simple robots to be his army, AND THEN stole Light’s Robot Masters.
Actually Wily got arrested because 6 was going to be the last game of the series. With X replacing the Classic series, Zero replacing the X series, and eventually leading to Legends which was supposed to be the finale. But Capcom got in the way all those times. Also it's been retconned that the Megaman timeline has parallel timelines. With the Battle network series being a parallel reality.
It wasn't retconned, that one was around since at LEAST the arcade games (Power Fighters has an alternate story for Duo, and instead of Evil Energy it's the neutral Unknown Energy that lands on earth in there), as those are confirmed as a parallel universe (The Reploid Research Lavatory has a post about that one) and BN was ALWAYS clear about being a parallel world. Capcom's made a mess of plenty of things but at least blame them for retcons that actually exist (3 years to 3 weeks in X5 to X6, Zero almost getting sealed MULTIPLE TIMES, X7 torpedoing the X6 to Z1 shift, Zero getting brought back at all after X1 because Inafune's Gary Stu was popular with fans...) instead of imaginary ones.
Honestly judging by the way light is acting in mega man 11 i wouldn't be surprised if he has a soft spot for willy and possibly still sees him as his misguided friend if he willy came to him saying "hey light i uhh was thinking a bit and kinda wanna try being good a little" light would accept him with open arms while talking about how happy he is that they are finally getting along again As for his crimes light is someone who decides to actively make sentient robots while ignoring all ethical and moral problems of making manufacturable life and i wouldn't be surprised if light has many undiscovered crimes on his belt figuring out how to program sentience probably took a lot of inhumane experiments on both human and robotic minds in comparison the occasional terrorism with willy goes up to make him look like a saint
Light is the kind of guy who canonically decided to build Fireman and Bombman simultaneously, assuming it'd all be gucci because he has Iceman to stop the occasional fires! And then he foists his robots onto Rock instead of parenting basically mischevious kids with superpowers himself. Yeah Light's more than a little bit of an idiot. Also depending if it's Megamix or not, he's basically given Protoman an incurable heart disease by trying to force him into being enslaved by the Three Laws of Robotics and instead of shutting him down if he disobeyed he tased his power core so hard that it stopped holding in a charge. Take your pick: Light's stupid or he's a complete monster.
Honestly while I shrugged at the loss of Archie Sonic since I never got issue 60 and had about 100 more before it "got good" I still mourn the loss of Archie MegaMan, really wish IDW could get that contract as well. Though I'd prefer it be for the Zero/ZX time period or DASH/Legends time period since those seem to be better suited for taking some story telling liberties, introducing new characters, and generally doing world building while getting deeper with the characters.
"Dr. Light being a completely gullible chump" makes too much sense so it has to be the explanation, additionally, Mega Man is just a gullible as him: - in The Power Fighters, Wily calls Mega Man an hypocrite for claiming to "fight for peace for humans and robots" when he destroys his own kind, Mega Man has a moment of self-doubt which serves a distraction for Wily to walk away - in Powered Up, Mega Man just forgives Wily when he pleads for mercy as he claims to repent for his actions, even though he's obviously lying - in Mega Man 9, he falls for Wily's trap despite of Proto Man's insistence that the Dr. Light he has imprisoned is a decoy (which it is, why is Mega Man ever doubting Proto Man all of the sudden if he's a proven ally??)
In Megaman's defense, in 7 Protoman does tell him to commit arson (yes, it leads to the secret room, but Protoman still goes "you should try using scorch wheel in a forest", I also would side-eye what he tells me after that one
Another great video! As someone who loves the mega man story but not a fan of the gameplay, I love these loos into the lore of the series, as odd as they are!
When considering the events that happen in between games, I always think of the interpretation made by the MS paint masterpieces webcomic, which straight up invents the fact that Wily had a body double made up of yellow devil goop, which is what Mega Man captured at the end of Mega Man 1, and at the end of Mega Man 2, the US government (which has had a plotline of trying to get super battle robots and trying to strongarm Dr. Light into creating them) straight up just employed Dr. Wily (who also pinned all his crimes onto Enker, who went along with it because he is a robot)
Correct me if I’m wrong but in the manual for MM5 doesn’t Mega Man physically go to Dr.Cossack’s to check up on Beat’s progress and get the Mega Buster upgrade and when he comes back home that’s when Mega Man sees Light get kidnapped? As far as I’m aware Mega Man first gets ahold of beat DURING MM5 not before. Also iirc Dr.Lights card thingy from MM&B says one of his downsides is either he’s too nice to too trusting. Which would fit him forgiving a criminal. As for when SARM can happen maybe after MM&B or Challenger from the future, idk SARM is weird.
I'm willing to accept Dr. Light as the kinda guy who's forgiving to a fault, especially towards an old colleague like Dr. Wily (who, according to Mega Man 11, got shafted because of Light).
There’s another slight issue with the “Worlds 1 and/or 2 and Super Adventure are between 3 and 4”, Wily was still presumed dead at the start of Mega Man 4, due to the events of 3.
Guess Dr. Light just has a knack for giving people second chances... even if the person he's giving a second chance is Dr. Wily, apparently. Great analysis!
My Fanon is that Megaman cant arrest Wily, because he cant harm humans and Lights orders were never arrest Wily, but stop Wily. So after defeating him Megaman has done his job.
I feel like the western ending for mm7 is the cannon one. Like if it's the 7th time its happened you would also be done enough with his sh!t to ignore the laws of robotics
That also leads well into Megaman X. Bear with me. We KNOW Megaman X is set in the future of regular Megaman, as both serieses have made explicit that Zero is Wily's final creation. This is honestly pretty unambiguous, I will ignore modern Capcom saying "nuh-uh". It was once a hotly-debated topic if Megaman X is actually Megaman or just some 'bot that looks like him. I think for lore purposes he has to be(there's one other option that makes sense, though). We know X was supposed to be the first robot capable of thinking and choosing for himself, and there were grave concerns should he tell Asimov and his three laws to get bent and start murdering. We also know that Rock is depicted as being intelligent and possessing free will, having "volunteered" to be converted into a combat robot. So clearly if X isn't THE Megaman, there's a major lore problem... unless X is actually a remodeled Protoman with a fixed power core, but I don't feel like he really matches the characterization. Now why would anyone be worried about sweet little Rock deciding to violate the first law of robotics and start killing humans? Well, turning Wily into a bowl of salsa would sure be a reason to worry Rock might not exactly be entirely three-laws-safe, and a suitably worried public might demand some extensive diagnostics be run(or a complete deactivation). Hence, the capsule. ... This was the premise of a truly awful fanfic I wrote two decades ago that is thankfully lost to the ages.
Well I learned something and that is that Dr. Light may have housed a criminal so many times whenever Wily says I AM A GOOD GUY I SWEAR and I still laugh everytime Wily escaped through a door easily in Megaman 4 lol. At least Megaman captured Wily in 6 which kept into 7 until he escaped sooooo that is a victory.
Since mega man isn't a reploid, rhus he doesn't have free will, maybe Mega man couldn't arrest him since he has not legal authority and that's why Willy could escape. MM6 been the exception since maybe there Mega was authorized by the robot association
Megaman is exactly like the US Govt. Light helps Wily to MUCH detriment to himself and everyone around him. Kinda like the US gives weapons to other countries to "hElP" them out, only to have those same weapons used ON US troops by either the same country later on down the line, or dealing with those weapons that SOMEHOW got into the hands of the wrong people, lol! I LOVE Megaman!
@@theretrodude154 I know that when he won Battle & Chase, Wily got arrested and had another 100,000 years to his sentence. Megs tried to arrest Wily, but Rock was on autopilot before Wily said "I'm doing a soccer game!"
You said that one of the strengths of the vague story is how it can be used as a creative jumping off point. I get what you mean, since I'm a huge fan of The Megas and The Protomen. Would you ever make a video on them? Do you have any other similar fan projects that you love?
Honestly, i still think Reploid Revo's timeline of the classic series was the closest to perfection....too fucking bad he turned out to be a PDF-file so i can't conciously enjoy his content
what I've learned is that doctor light was harbouring a criminal.
Huh. I never thought of it that way 😂
* Boom sound *
Ah yes. Dr. Thomas "I can fix him" Light
LMAO. True.
I love that the court system in the Megaman comics seem to just be a massive Ace Attorney reference.
Imagine a dr. Wily phoenix wright fan case
Both are Capcom so I would like to imagine Dr. Light and Wily exist in the background in the AA games and are about to invent Robot Masters any day
4:01
there’s even a pheonix wright-like defense attorney in the archie adaptation
OBJECTION!
0:27
I JUST NOTICED A GUMSHOE STAND-IN
Honestly I love the idea of a super smart scientist that is Knuckles the Echidna levels of gullible I'm going with that one
11 onwards strongly imply that it's some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Light came to think of himself as guilty for Wily getting the shaft in university and therefore shifting gears to taking over the world. This leads Light to try and reform Wily even if he started exploiting the benefit of the doubt.
Going by the conversation he has with Zero in X6, it took him 100 years to finally realize his friend is beyond saving.
Which conversation?
@@PowerSimplified1871 if you first find a Light capsule as Zero, he'll ask how he was brought back (as "I hid myself" was a lie to make X not worry about it). Zero thinks Light did it, but the capsule denies this and avoids mentioning "Isoc"
Dr. Light: "I can change him!"
Dr. Wily:
😁🤞
🐍🧲💉🥊⚡🌑🕎👥
Snake Magnet Needle Hard Spark Shadow Top Gemini
Of note is that Dr. Wily is presumed dead after Mega Man 3, and I think the intention of the story of 4 was that to the characters, the reveal of Wily being behind the events of the game were doubly shocking since they thought he was dead. This is not expressly stated, but it could be one argument that 4 has to be the next game in the timeline after 3.
I never noticed before now that the lawyer with wily at around the 4 minute mark is clearly meant to be a reference to phoenix wright
And the detective at 0:27 kinda looks like Gumshoe
The blue suit was the first indicator, and then there's also the judge
They really managed to combine both Phoenix and Apollo’s hairstyles into one, huh
I like in Mega Man 11 they showed Dr Wily being under-minded and sidelined because Dr. Light was the "ethically" favorite. Yet he still thinks him and Wily could be friends...he's way to nice and caring for his own good.
And like harbouring a criminal
You'd think they'd build Guillotine Man at some point to deal with Wily
The good 'ol Gun Man
@@nicocchiThey don't dare. They're terrified of Wily stealing and reprogramming him.
@@nicocchi shooting squad man
Jokes on us -- its the cops who control the evil robot masters.
Would Guillotine Man have a french accent
I like to think that mega man is so fuelled by bloodlust after murdering several bosses and their army of minions that he has to walk away from Wily before he goes sicko mode
He was this close to saying "Die Wily".
(It was a localisation inconsistency but matches your comment)
"Only works if dr light is a gullible chum" why of course he is, its says so in his rockman and forte datab- WHO REWROTE IT INTO "DOUCHIE"?
I mean...even the rewrite isn't wrong XD
If you turned back just fast enough you’d see sharpie man, doctor wily’s newest invention for this one occasion
I prefer the way Bob and George explained it: Dr. Wily after Mega Man 2 pretended to have amnesia from a head injury and pretended to be completely reformed and was bad at acting but Dr. Light was so distraught over losing his friend he wanted desperately to believe Wily was normal again so he could get back to making robots with his best friend.
8:11
Wiley: PLEASE! I'LL WORK WITH YOU MEGAMAN! DON'T LET ME BE IN THESE HORRIBLE GAMES AGAI- *Megaman DOS 3*
Fortunately for your sanity, I’m pretty sure Capcom has officially said that SARM is noncanon.
Honestly, They should use the elements of SARM (the settings, Ra Moon, Ra Thor and N.Y.D) and try and canonized that instead.
i don't know if capcom ever put out a statement, but i do know that inafune at least apologized for the game. but it's pretty safe to assume it's non-canon anyway since it's never referenced in any canon media
@@perplexativekhat Not only that but we've got good reason to believe it was originally meant to be an X series game (the mass murdering thing would fit way better in there), from the two pages of that cancelled auction script for what got turned into SuperAdventure.
SARM? What’s that?
@@OrbitalFrog_ Super Adventure Rockman, they turned the game name into an acronym
I remember hearing a long time ago that Keji Inafune never liked Super Rockman Adventure, because of all the human casualties the game shows. But I've never seen anyone from capcom ever write it off as not canon before. Perhaps we will never know.
It was even adapted into Archie comic form.
@@Nathan-rb3qp the way they adapted it into the archie comics was really good too. I miss those.
@@mylam658 Those Mega Man comics were the only time I ever enjoyed Ian Flynn’s writing.
It was directly referenced in Shadow Man´s Profile in the Robot Field Guide, written in such a way it implies the events of that game transpired.
@@josuebarba9361 doesn't the game take place after Mega Man 3, though?
This is the only channel where I can find extremely niche videos about Mega Man lore that I so desperately crave. I'd love to see a video in the future talking about the classic Mega Man series' weird relationship with robots from space.
This is actually such a good idea for a video. I gotta write that down.
Dr. Light could have a mix of things....A) he's in denial, because some sources suggest they were originally colleagues, and he may have had a bit of hand with some of those robots (which explains why DLN 003 to 008 were captured, maybe Dr. Wily surreptiously put in some kind of "take-over chips" and activated them as part of his plan, by this point DLN 000 had gone AWOL, and Rock and Roll were seen as "not worth it" , because Dr. Wily had no idea that Rock could be "upgraded.") B) yes, Dr. Light is an expert in robots. But when it comes to humans, and emotions, and relations, and trust, and all that...he's utterly clueless. Which explains why he didn't see any red flags when strange things started happening during the whole Gamma incident. He accepted Wily's explanation hook, line, and sinker. Ok, maybe a combination of A and B.
I've never thought about this, but I love it.
Also, the Cloud Man bit got me.
Super Adventure RockMan really enjoys throwing a wrench into your plans
Dr. Light: Creates the high tech Robot Masters that have independent thought
Also Dr. Light: Trust a person who’s clearly a criminal
And people thought the inventor of the PokeDex not remembering his own grandson’s name was stupid
I kinda like how MMX condensed the plot to "Evil robot aids, blow crap up"
Do you mean Mega Man 10?
@@dreemurchara No I mean the Sigma Virus.
@@dreemurchara I see what you did there :)
I just like to consider the Archie comics version of events canon given how much work went into making the events of the games have natural progression and meaningful story differences. I know it's not, but it's my favorite version of the canon. Shame we'll never see it continue.
I definitely could see Light forgiving Wily at the end of 2 and just let him stay at the lab.
Also, I remember the Wily scene at Light Lab in Super Adventure is actually a flashback. So Wily went to the ruin and found out about the Ra Moon meteor between 2 and 3, and then return to the ruin after at least 4.
7:14 - Give or take Mega Man: Rush Marine, a game set between 2 and 3 where Wily causes havoc under the sea so Light gives Rush his Marine form (and apparently a Copy System) to take the fight to Wily.
0:25 I'm so sorry for losing focus this early but IS THAT DETECTIVE GUMSHOE??? The Archie comics are WAY more based than I thought
Actually, he’s a character original to the Archie comics. I’d still recommend giving them a read, he has a lot more charm and things to do in the original story arcs then you’d expect
The Archie Comics, both Sonic and Mega Man, kicked ass. I hope Ian Flynn does Lost Hedgehog Tales, and maybe even Lost Mega Man Tales, to show how things could have gone if they continued...
His name is Gill D. Stern. Him and his partner Rose N. Krafts investigate Dr. Light after the events of MM1 to make certain that Albert and Light weren’t working together on the whole ‘Attack of the Robots’ business. Their names are both Hamlet references.
@@lukedelameter7961 The fact that they're a Rosencrantz & Guildenstern reference is honestly way funnier to me
My headcanon is that in Mega Man 1, he just convinces Mega Man that he is done with world domination, in Mega Man 2, Mega Man is just too emotionally numb to give a shit, Mega Man 3 he's assumed dead, Mega Man 4 and 5 he escapes, Mega Man 6 he's arrested, Mega Man 7 he's taken to safety by Bass & Treble, Mega Man 8, 9, and 10 he escapes, though how on Earth did he escape out the window without getting caught...? Mega Man 11 he escapes, World I and II he gets blown up in the atmosphere, III and IV not so much, and Mega Man V despite how cool it'd be for an ending to have him get blown up in the Wily Star, he clearly makes it to Earth and somehow is able to run for dear life faster than Mega Man. I don't think Super Adventure Rock Man was canon.
Personally, I'd go the Archie route and have Super Adventure Rockman in between 2 and 3 to explain why everyone thought Wily reformed. It would also give the Stardroids an origin story since Ra Moon created them in said comics.
You know, Wily always goes on about threatening the world with domination but at the real core of the matter Wily is just having a pissing match with Dr Light. He hardly actually threatens anything cause he has to get around Light and his blue boy first. Honestly if Light wasn't around no one could stop Wily period, those 2 are geniuses that no one in the world can match for over 1000 years.
I don't see how Dr. Light being naive is so unbelievable given that he had no back up plan of his own in case his Robot Masters went bad and that in every medium he still wishes to be friends with Dr. Wily. Plus Super Adventure Rockman is a great watch.
"Somewhere, in this 8-bit game, lurking around somewhere, is Cloud Man."
Thank you for lowering my opinion of Mega Man 6 immediately
The fuck cloud man do to you
wily go jail
Attempting to make sense of very long running superhero comics runs into some similar issues. Some dark horse grey morality character (e.g. Two-Face, etc.) can only stay in this situation so long - after the last 5 times they indulged their evil side, it's pretty clear that they can't be trusted and should be treated like a normal villain. And even when there isn't thematic disconnects - just how many adventures are these same characters going to have, anyway? At least robots are plausibly immortal, but do life-extension drugs exist in the world of Mega Man? (Probably not, since Wily is MIA and presumably long dead in the MMX timeline, right?) Wily & Light will both be up in their years if Capcom ever makes a MM12...
I think you are discounting the possibility of Toxic Old Man Yaoi
6:36 - I’m pretty sure those were caused by the normal enemies like Metools, Picklemen, Sniper Joes, and Big Eyes. There’s a tie-in comic to Mega Man 4 that also recapped these events and established that Wily’s immediate priority to world conquest was to build and/or hijack enough simple robots to be his army, AND THEN stole Light’s Robot Masters.
My theory is that Dr. Wily is no better than his mother.
Ture
Actually Wily got arrested because 6 was going to be the last game of the series. With X replacing the Classic series, Zero replacing the X series, and eventually leading to Legends which was supposed to be the finale. But Capcom got in the way all those times.
Also it's been retconned that the Megaman timeline has parallel timelines. With the Battle network series being a parallel reality.
It wasn't retconned, that one was around since at LEAST the arcade games (Power Fighters has an alternate story for Duo, and instead of Evil Energy it's the neutral Unknown Energy that lands on earth in there), as those are confirmed as a parallel universe (The Reploid Research Lavatory has a post about that one) and BN was ALWAYS clear about being a parallel world.
Capcom's made a mess of plenty of things but at least blame them for retcons that actually exist (3 years to 3 weeks in X5 to X6, Zero almost getting sealed MULTIPLE TIMES, X7 torpedoing the X6 to Z1 shift, Zero getting brought back at all after X1 because Inafune's Gary Stu was popular with fans...) instead of imaginary ones.
Honestly judging by the way light is acting in mega man 11 i wouldn't be surprised if he has a soft spot for willy and possibly still sees him as his misguided friend if he willy came to him saying "hey light i uhh was thinking a bit and kinda wanna try being good a little" light would accept him with open arms while talking about how happy he is that they are finally getting along again
As for his crimes light is someone who decides to actively make sentient robots while ignoring all ethical and moral problems of making manufacturable life and i wouldn't be surprised if light has many undiscovered crimes on his belt figuring out how to program sentience probably took a lot of inhumane experiments on both human and robotic minds in comparison the occasional terrorism with willy goes up to make him look like a saint
It isn't uncommon for people to have idiotic undeserved sympathy for criminals.
They used to be friends way before the events of MM1 I believe
Light is the kind of guy who canonically decided to build Fireman and Bombman simultaneously, assuming it'd all be gucci because he has Iceman to stop the occasional fires!
And then he foists his robots onto Rock instead of parenting basically mischevious kids with superpowers himself.
Yeah Light's more than a little bit of an idiot.
Also depending if it's Megamix or not, he's basically given Protoman an incurable heart disease by trying to force him into being enslaved by the Three Laws of Robotics and instead of shutting him down if he disobeyed he tased his power core so hard that it stopped holding in a charge.
Take your pick: Light's stupid or he's a complete monster.
@@neoqwertyDid the thing that happened with ProtoMan was in MegaMix?
DAWKTAH WHY WII?
Honestly while I shrugged at the loss of Archie Sonic since I never got issue 60 and had about 100 more before it "got good" I still mourn the loss of Archie MegaMan, really wish IDW could get that contract as well. Though I'd prefer it be for the Zero/ZX time period or DASH/Legends time period since those seem to be better suited for taking some story telling liberties, introducing new characters, and generally doing world building while getting deeper with the characters.
"Dr. Light being a completely gullible chump" makes too much sense so it has to be the explanation, additionally, Mega Man is just a gullible as him:
- in The Power Fighters, Wily calls Mega Man an hypocrite for claiming to "fight for peace for humans and robots" when he destroys his own kind, Mega Man has a moment of self-doubt which serves a distraction for Wily to walk away
- in Powered Up, Mega Man just forgives Wily when he pleads for mercy as he claims to repent for his actions, even though he's obviously lying
- in Mega Man 9, he falls for Wily's trap despite of Proto Man's insistence that the Dr. Light he has imprisoned is a decoy (which it is, why is Mega Man ever doubting Proto Man all of the sudden if he's a proven ally??)
In Megaman's defense, in 7 Protoman does tell him to commit arson (yes, it leads to the secret room, but Protoman still goes "you should try using scorch wheel in a forest", I also would side-eye what he tells me after that one
Good points about how he wasn't operating in a way or location he could get into actual trouble.
I really like the editing. Don't worry about the gap in-between uploads. After all, "A rushed product is bad forever."
2:04 cause he's Japanese and the instruction poster doesn't mention how to beat him to my knowledge
Couldn't even wack my wily to this, I Dr light'ed immediately!
Another great video! As someone who loves the mega man story but not a fan of the gameplay, I love these loos into the lore of the series, as odd as they are!
When considering the events that happen in between games, I always think of the interpretation made by the MS paint masterpieces webcomic, which straight up invents the fact that Wily had a body double made up of yellow devil goop, which is what Mega Man captured at the end of Mega Man 1, and at the end of Mega Man 2, the US government (which has had a plotline of trying to get super battle robots and trying to strongarm Dr. Light into creating them) straight up just employed Dr. Wily (who also pinned all his crimes onto Enker, who went along with it because he is a robot)
The first Mega Man Gameboy game is actually set between Mega Man 2 and 3, so it's possible that Wily "reformed" after the events of it.
Correct me if I’m wrong but in the manual for MM5 doesn’t Mega Man physically go to Dr.Cossack’s to check up on Beat’s progress and get the Mega Buster upgrade and when he comes back home that’s when Mega Man sees Light get kidnapped? As far as I’m aware Mega Man first gets ahold of beat DURING MM5 not before.
Also iirc Dr.Lights card thingy from MM&B says one of his downsides is either he’s too nice to too trusting. Which would fit him forgiving a criminal.
As for when SARM can happen maybe after MM&B or Challenger from the future, idk SARM is weird.
For all we know SARM is in the same side-continuity as Power Battle and Power Fighters (yes, the arcade games are their own parallel universe)
@@neoqwerty Really? Where is that said? Because I thought they took place after mega man 7 and 8 respectively.
Always love your stuff :) Awesome work!
I'm willing to accept Dr. Light as the kinda guy who's forgiving to a fault, especially towards an old colleague like Dr. Wily (who, according to Mega Man 11, got shafted because of Light).
Super Adventure Rockman has officially been decanonized by Inafune, at least when he worked there.
3:14 he actually sticks to the whole reforming schtick I guess
There’s another slight issue with the “Worlds 1 and/or 2 and Super Adventure are between 3 and 4”, Wily was still presumed dead at the start of Mega Man 4, due to the events of 3.
3:54 hold up! Is that phoenix wright!?
It's always a great time whenever you upload a new video. Looking forward your next video!
4 minutes in and im already so lost, this is that gooood shit i subbed for
Guess Dr. Light just has a knack for giving people second chances... even if the person he's giving a second chance is Dr. Wily, apparently. Great analysis!
Love your videos, the subject matter and your commentary are right up my alley
what about that scene where concrete man chases wily in mega man 9?
My Fanon is that Megaman cant arrest Wily, because he cant harm humans and Lights orders were never arrest Wily, but stop Wily.
So after defeating him Megaman has done his job.
I'm enjoying your snark. 👏
I think the Powered-Up timeline is the timeline Quint comes from.
Dr Wily should’ve Stayed dominating a Prison Cell!
This has only just reminded me that as much as I love Megaman these games have terrible stories. X games included.
I feel like the western ending for mm7 is the cannon one. Like if it's the 7th time its happened you would also be done enough with his sh!t to ignore the laws of robotics
That also leads well into Megaman X. Bear with me.
We KNOW Megaman X is set in the future of regular Megaman, as both serieses have made explicit that Zero is Wily's final creation. This is honestly pretty unambiguous, I will ignore modern Capcom saying "nuh-uh".
It was once a hotly-debated topic if Megaman X is actually Megaman or just some 'bot that looks like him. I think for lore purposes he has to be(there's one other option that makes sense, though).
We know X was supposed to be the first robot capable of thinking and choosing for himself, and there were grave concerns should he tell Asimov and his three laws to get bent and start murdering.
We also know that Rock is depicted as being intelligent and possessing free will, having "volunteered" to be converted into a combat robot. So clearly if X isn't THE Megaman, there's a major lore problem... unless X is actually a remodeled Protoman with a fixed power core, but I don't feel like he really matches the characterization.
Now why would anyone be worried about sweet little Rock deciding to violate the first law of robotics and start killing humans? Well, turning Wily into a bowl of salsa would sure be a reason to worry Rock might not exactly be entirely three-laws-safe, and a suitably worried public might demand some extensive diagnostics be run(or a complete deactivation). Hence, the capsule.
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This was the premise of a truly awful fanfic I wrote two decades ago that is thankfully lost to the ages.
SARM is not canon but Light is not the sharpest person even if he is a robotics genius....
Yeah, Super Adventure Rockman is non-canon
Well I learned something and that is that Dr. Light may have housed a criminal so many times whenever Wily says I AM A GOOD GUY I SWEAR and I still laugh everytime Wily escaped through a door easily in Megaman 4 lol. At least Megaman captured Wily in 6 which kept into 7 until he escaped sooooo that is a victory.
dr. wily doesn't belongs in prison he belongs in a mental institute.
Thanks for another great video.
I love Mega Man, but don't mind that you tackle other subjects ... for a while. ;-)
Since mega man isn't a reploid, rhus he doesn't have free will, maybe Mega man couldn't arrest him since he has not legal authority and that's why Willy could escape. MM6 been the exception since maybe there Mega was authorized by the robot association
Megaman is exactly like the US Govt.
Light helps Wily to MUCH detriment to himself and everyone around him.
Kinda like the US gives weapons to other countries to "hElP" them out, only to have those same weapons used ON US troops by either the same country later on down the line, or dealing with those weapons that SOMEHOW got into the hands of the wrong people, lol!
I LOVE Megaman!
You forgot the manga adaptions of Battle & Chase and Megaman Soccer.
Interesting. Did Wily get arrested in those?
@@theretrodude154 I know that when he won Battle & Chase, Wily got arrested and had another 100,000 years to his sentence. Megs tried to arrest Wily, but Rock was on autopilot before Wily said "I'm doing a soccer game!"
You said that one of the strengths of the vague story is how it can be used as a creative jumping off point. I get what you mean, since I'm a huge fan of The Megas and The Protomen. Would you ever make a video on them? Do you have any other similar fan projects that you love?
Awesome again! 😊 Great work!
3:48
why does bomb man look like that
MM != Robocop
Bro is literally the Joker 💀
I need to find that video of I cannot defeat airman
Okay the Archie comics actually seem pretty awesome but I know nothing about them, are they still ongoing?
Unfortunately no. They’ve been on an “indefinite hiatus” for about nine years now. Still a great read, 55 issues.
Archie Mega Man is really good. It's also illegally underrated, I don't see a lot of people talking about them online very much.
Love this video
Honestly, i still think Reploid Revo's timeline of the classic series was the closest to perfection....too fucking bad he turned out to be a PDF-file so i can't conciously enjoy his content
Thank you for the video.
Persona 3 remake can you actually play the game without feeling sad? Lol solid video idea I think lol
Wily is just like my uncle!😮😮😮
Oh shit i didn't see this one get released
Maybe try streaming lets plays and you can have the vod/lets play.
Ra Moon? So they named a computer Sun God Moon?
I love translation :D
Doctor Light was not very right
Hey it's you again
Cool
Answer: Not long enough.
I like megaman but quqlitt over quantity
What happened to your audio?
Huh, I guess my audio came out a little crispy this time. I’ll try to avoid that next time (and maybe get a better mic)
meow:3
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