Its not real praise, it's objectivism. They are viewed as smarter or better husbands and fathers or better providers. Women of all races "praise" dark skinned Black men for the physical stereotypes they were taught (more masculine and sexually on point in every way). Of course, not all dark skinned Black men are that. Dark skinned women want what every woman wants and that is to be treated with respect.
@@kiranholt3296Dark skinned men are not viewed as being smarter and better. Black women are the main ones oohing and aahing over dark skinned men. Women of other races don't want dark skinned Black men
Thank you Dr Webb for bringing intelligence to the panel. I love how you are able to address the gaslighting and deflections. You are the queen of overcoming objections. I didn’t think at first that some of the panelists should have been invited but what I realized is that they did serve a purpose. They brought the usual ignorant colorist thoughts of many which allowed the other panelists to correct them. I’d love to see panels on this show (bc of the platform that it is and its reach) that are just full of experts that can provide the education that is needed to eradicate colorism, texturism, featurism etc. Invite all experts like Dr Webb and leave out the comedian and the chef bc they aren’t experts. This is not a cooking show or comedy hour.
I disagree with Tammy about there being an abundance of darkskinned actresses. There are young darkskinned girls lacking in the movie industry. Yes we have viola Davis and some others but they are older black women. All the young desirable black girl roles go to zendaya, yara shahidi, Amandla, and other biracial actresses.
@dreya all those you named aren’t light skin but actually mixed race. People need to stop calling that’s people blk as they take the roles from actual bw.
Tammi Mac has to do a better job of selecting her panelists to speak on these topics. She's doing a disservice to have such great topics but not consider the panelists to have a real in-depth discussion. Dr. Webb was a breath of fresh air.
I think this should have been two separate conversations. Whites will always see non-white people as others; however, Black people perpetuate colorism.
Blacks might always see whites as others. My biggest stereotype going into a room full of black people is that they all mistrust me and that many immediately dislike me. Experience has reinforced this.
A part of me wishes the host didn’t ask, “does colorism exist or not?” - “are there advantages?” Colorism isn’t debatable. Let’s lean into the research - it’s there. Instead, ask, “Where do you see colorism?” “How have you navigated colorism?” The premise makes clear that colorism is a fact.
This is why Tammi Mac's Fox Soul panels flop. She takes serious topics (which really are obvious truths and not even debatable) then asks goofy ass people with no logic and piss-poor arguments to come on the panel. Then she turns around and asks a stupid ass question like "aRE ThErE aDvanTagES" to colorism, like girl what??? Instead of asking thoughtful questions like "Can you give examples of colorism in black culture? Do you think there's a correlation between a eurocentric beauty standard and colorism? Is there a difference between how dark skin women and dark skin men are treated? Why or why not?"
just like women can be short without push back, men cant. I find it funny women can openly prefer taller men ovef shorter men and its seen as ok... but when men prefer lighter skin women over darker skin women then its an issue
@@nwate7 No you are gaslighting. There is are litterally hundreds of songs, videos, movies. Etc where black men insult dark-skinned women to state their preferences for lightskinned. The whole world sees yalls colorism
Isaac Hayes was considered a sex symbol in the 1970s especially by black women of all shades, well before Michael Jordan etc. Sidney Poitier was the black sex symbol of the 1960s.
I'm a 66 year old Black Man. I stopped this @ 4:41/51:25...the. "Comedian" is NOT funny...""Colorism" in the Black "community"...is REAL!!!. it is THE primary reason "Heels up Harris" got the "support and votes " from Black Women!...SHE is of the "Brahmin Southern Indian High Cast Diaspora.. her Own Presidential run went DOWN IN . FLAME'S because she HAD NO WILDER Black Voter support...Black Women liked her "Light skin and straight hair" which Black Women spend Millions in make up ..skin lightener's and Weaves to.. imulate. B1
Yes! I HATE that these shows constantly choose these ignorant men to sit in as "experts" to represent the bm perspective. It is embarrassing to the image of bm. I wish more bm would speak up and get angry about this representation.
Why is it that this show constantly puts uneducated ignorant bm on this show? Hi estly, bm shoukd be upset that this is what is being represented as their image to society on a regular basis.... unless this IS the capacity of bm as a collective.
"Colorism, a term believed to be first coined in 1982 by Pulitzer Prize winner Alice Walker, was defined by her to mean the “prejudicial or preferential treatment of same-race people based solely on their lighter color.” It is not racism although there is a clear relationship. A clear example of racism would involve a business that refuses to hire Black people. Colorism would not preclude the hiring of a Black person, but there would be a preference for a Black person with a lighter skin tone than a darker skinned person. From this example one can see too that colorism can not only occur within same-raced peoples but also across races. Colorism also is often gendered. Because of its unique relationship to who and what is beautiful, it has a tendency, although not exclusively, to affect and infect women more than men." Colorism is rooted in a racist stratification where skin color & ancestry determine whether one was free or enslaved in a white supremacist society. It is the bias against DARKER skinned people in Black and Brown communities.
@@kisha4040 it’s so crazy, because if she was black American, you would refer to her as yellow or yellow bone but because she is Nigerian and your perceive stereotypes of how Nigerians look like plus the stereotype of African women bleaching you automatically. Assume she’s not light skin which is absolutely crazy, and you don’t realise that in this very moment you are being colourist
@@godflint black people come in a variety of different skin tones. If she has hazel eyes you wouldn’t say that she is the same skin tone is Rihanna literally a yellow undertone but because she is Nigerian you automatically Assume she’s not light skin, there are thousands of ethnicities in Nigeria. We literally make up 256 million people. Therefore there are a variety of skin tones and undertones. She is from my Igbo and those people typically tend to be on the lighter end of the spectrum, but of course you are an on educated black American, who knows absolutely nothing about Africans or African history ancestry and the variety within our culture and community
From my observation colorist people come from outside the America diaspora not saying Black Americans didn’t experience colorism but Islander Blacks practice that heavy especially Jamaicans and Latinos from the Islands 💯
That lie been told for over a half a century, we are clearly more than 13%...white ppl need to keep speaking their word spells calling us the 'minority'
I guarantee one of her parents is very light and most probably mixed, people of west African heritage are not that light without some mixing, even light skin Caribbeans and African Americans are mixed for the most part.
@@enosger people of west Africa come in all different shades hun. Black people in general Her mom and dad are both fully Nigerian. Igbo to be exact. Many Igbo people are lighter complexion and are not biracial.
I love these conversations but does it always have to be about colorism? Or light skin privileges. There is so much more we can discuss about the community outside of skin tones!
Yes because it impacts darkskinned women. It maybe not be important to YOU but it is important. And if you have a darkskinned daughter I suggest you open up your ears and listen to their experiences not gaslight, downpay, or act like its not important. Why should darkskinned people care about anything in this community if yall dont care about our plight?
Well, when the vast majority keep denying it... yes. It needs to be discussed... and often. Furthermore, data to back up the issue is fairly new. Our parents and grand parents were always gaslighted and told they were not seeing and experiencing what they were by the community... they did not have the supporting data.
What is not discussed and should be is that colorism is more prevalent within the African, Afro-Caribbean, and Afro-Latino communities and not as much within Native USA Black or the Freedman. So that is why some people say yes and some say no. It depends on the culture. Native Black Americans didn't have a caste system in our culture because we were all Black regardless of color to the dominant society.. nor “ improve the race” nor “ skin bleaching” Super clear on the panel that at least two of the women are non-Native Black Americans.
@@nerdsalsocomeinchocolate2740 I am not talking about what happened 100 years ago. Even during that time, there was no caste system. It happened and it stopped because there was No benefit since the dominant society saw us as one thing. Native Black Americans tend to have all sorts of colors in our family, from white-looking to dark skin. Colorism is not a big part of our culture. Yes, it happens( not disputing that) in our (Native Black)culture. But it is much more prevalent in African, Afro-Latino, and Afro-Caribbeans cultures which makes sense because of the caste system in their own countries. Native Black Americans had the one-drop rule.
Lol black Americans are more hung up on colour than any other part of the diaspora. Don't lie to make yourself feel better or superior. Your recent actions, violent behaviour and race wars shows you guys are more race focused. Black Americans literally know nothing about black Caribbean people in the Caribbean compared to us always seeing your bad behaviour on display. We don't brutalise each other because of skin colour over here. Dating preferences sure but not job accessibility.
@@peacehappyb237 like Dr. Webb explained there are studies from the 50s up to present day showing the disparate impact dark skin tones have on job opportunities, educational outcomes, prison sentences, etc. But for arguments sake say you are correct that the one drop rule in America made it so that the dominant society treated all blacks the same regardless of skin color - that doesn't negate the fact that within the black community there were hierachies and a caste system. There are countless stories of darker skinned children being treated worse than their lighter skinned siblings/cousins within their own families. Nevermind broader communities using the paper bag test and other tools to keep certain social and educational spaces reserved for light skinned black people.
Yall talk as if you're all married with a husband and kids breathing down your neck Do you and dont let others limit you with the numbers game, it aint right
But you are the same people that tell us, we are jealous of light skin people because we don’t love ourselves, but yet you expect us to hate ourselves, but when the girls do show signs of insecurity, you clown them for being insecure, make up your mind, do you want us to stop being jealous and be empowered or do you want us to hate ourselves and I think that’s the reason why a lot of you are so colourist because you can’t stand to see a dark skinned girl who absolutely loves herself is shining and radiant It triggers you to the call because you don’t understand it, you expect her to be moping around sad and depressed.
Colorism still exists. Point blank PERIOD
no it doesnt
@KS long lost father I dont believe i police brutality. If you behave there wont be a need for violent measures
@@nwate7 yes it does 🤡
@@chandler1541 its all in your head
@KS long lost father so men in general prefering lightskin chicks over darkskin chicks is problematic?
Dark skin men get praised for their blackness in the community dark skin women is the opposite. This panel shows this
Its not real praise, it's objectivism. They are viewed as smarter or better husbands and fathers or better providers. Women of all races "praise" dark skinned Black men for the physical stereotypes they were taught (more masculine and sexually on point in every way). Of course, not all dark skinned Black men are that.
Dark skinned women want what every woman wants and that is to be treated with respect.
@@kiranholt3296Dark skinned men are not viewed as being smarter and better. Black women are the main ones oohing and aahing over dark skinned men. Women of other races don't want dark skinned Black men
Thank you Dr Webb for bringing intelligence to the panel. I love how you are able to address the gaslighting and deflections. You are the queen of overcoming objections. I didn’t think at first that some of the panelists should have been invited but what I realized is that they did serve a purpose. They brought the usual ignorant colorist thoughts of many which allowed the other panelists to correct them. I’d love to see panels on this show (bc of the platform that it is and its reach) that are just full of experts that can provide the education that is needed to eradicate colorism, texturism, featurism etc. Invite all experts like Dr Webb and leave out the comedian and the chef bc they aren’t experts. This is not a cooking show or comedy hour.
I disagree with Tammy about there being an abundance of darkskinned actresses. There are young darkskinned girls lacking in the movie industry. Yes we have viola Davis and some others but they are older black women. All the young desirable black girl roles go to zendaya, yara shahidi, Amandla, and other biracial actresses.
@dreya all those you named aren’t light skin but actually mixed race. People need to stop calling that’s people blk as they take the roles from actual bw.
@@kanmoore2793 true, sorry about that i meant to say mixed race
You right! I thought she was so wrong on that response. There definitely needs to be more Dark-skinned women represented! ❤
@@TheIntrovert83 more dark skin ppl need to be capable instead of capable of complaining.
I wish they would have left the comedian out of this conversation
Right. The jokes were tasteless, tactless, and just corny.
Only in the black community do you see comedians put on panels about serious discussions🤦🏽♀️
Gave us nothing …
Selorm girl is actually talented I just went to her channel to listen to her song and it was really good
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Tammi Mac has to do a better job of selecting her panelists to speak on these topics. She's doing a disservice to have such great topics but not consider the panelists to have a real in-depth discussion. Dr. Webb was a breath of fresh air.
I think this should have been two separate conversations. Whites will always see non-white people as others; however, Black people perpetuate colorism.
Blacks might always see whites as others. My biggest stereotype going into a room full of black people is that they all mistrust me and that many immediately dislike me. Experience has reinforced this.
Why ask the question when it's a fact. Why invite gaslighters to her show, this is so ridiculous.
They always do this.
This!
Who is gaslighting??
A part of me wishes the host didn’t ask, “does colorism exist or not?” - “are there advantages?” Colorism isn’t debatable. Let’s lean into the research - it’s there. Instead, ask, “Where do you see colorism?” “How have you navigated colorism?” The premise makes clear that colorism is a fact.
Tammy is considered light skin/ caramel herself Im quite sure she is aware of the advantages.
This is why Tammi Mac's Fox Soul panels flop. She takes serious topics (which really are obvious truths and not even debatable) then asks goofy ass people with no logic and piss-poor arguments to come on the panel. Then she turns around and asks a stupid ass question like "aRE ThErE aDvanTagES" to colorism, like girl what??? Instead of asking thoughtful questions like "Can you give examples of colorism in black culture? Do you think there's a correlation between a eurocentric beauty standard and colorism? Is there a difference between how dark skin women and dark skin men are treated? Why or why not?"
Agreed.
Black men can be dark skinned without push back. Black women can't. It is not the same.
just like women can be short without push back, men cant. I find it funny women can openly prefer taller men ovef shorter men and its seen as ok...
but when men prefer lighter skin women over darker skin women then its an issue
@KS long lost father Having a preference for lighter skin women is not "colourist". Yall love adding isms to anything that hurt your feelings
And they never addressed the fact that dark skinned black men are the biggest perpetuators of colorism against darkness women
@@nwate7 No you are gaslighting. There is are litterally hundreds of songs, videos, movies. Etc where black men insult dark-skinned women to state their preferences for lightskinned. The whole world sees yalls colorism
@@ASprinkleofAnime and there are severall movies, songs, women podcast etc shitting on short men. Whats the difference? Not even trying to be funny
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Of course it does. Why are we still asking this question?
The responses from the BM on this panel didn't surprise me at all...smh sad
Simply...Yes.
Isaac Hayes was considered a sex symbol in the 1970s especially by black women of all shades, well before Michael Jordan etc. Sidney Poitier was the black sex symbol of the 1960s.
Only because his albums justified him having fans lets not act like he's attractive without his body of work
I'm a 66 year old Black Man. I stopped this @ 4:41/51:25...the. "Comedian" is NOT funny...""Colorism" in the Black "community"...is REAL!!!. it is THE primary reason "Heels up Harris" got the "support and votes " from Black Women!...SHE is of the "Brahmin Southern Indian High Cast Diaspora.. her Own Presidential run went DOWN IN . FLAME'S because she HAD NO WILDER Black Voter support...Black Women liked her "Light skin and straight hair" which Black Women spend Millions in make up ..skin lightener's and Weaves to.. imulate. B1
Yes! I HATE that these shows constantly choose these ignorant men to sit in as "experts" to represent the bm perspective. It is embarrassing to the image of bm. I wish more bm would speak up and get angry about this representation.
@Anthony Washington: I just like her voice tone. That's it.
I wish they would have had Chrissie on this panel or Paris Milan...
Dark-skinned imen are allowed as a sexual symbol as a man or a criminal
Why is it that this show constantly puts uneducated ignorant bm on this show? Hi estly, bm shoukd be upset that this is what is being represented as their image to society on a regular basis.... unless this IS the capacity of bm as a collective.
I agree I don’t think it matters nowadays
This question should be diffent between male and female dark skin it diffent
You should have invited Cynthia G to join this discussion.
no she is a clown
nah they should've had Chrissie or Paris Milan hop in, they would've ate everyone down
No Chrissie or Paris Milan would be better. Chrissie is VERY articulate went it comes to this topic. Cyn dismisses colorism on some occasions.
@@vfr3589 she only dates black men so thats not true. She just just holds yall accountable and yall dont like it
@@ASprinkleofAnime Cynthia isn't a divestor?
"Colorism, a term believed to be first coined in 1982 by Pulitzer Prize winner Alice Walker, was defined by her to mean the “prejudicial or preferential treatment of same-race people based solely on their lighter color.”
It is not racism although there is a clear relationship. A clear example of racism would involve a business that refuses to hire Black people.
Colorism would not preclude the hiring of a Black person, but there would be a preference for a Black person with a lighter skin tone than a darker skinned person. From this example one can see too that colorism can not only occur within same-raced peoples but also across races. Colorism also is often gendered.
Because of its unique relationship to who and what is beautiful, it has a tendency, although not exclusively, to affect and infect women more than men."
Colorism is rooted in a racist stratification where skin color & ancestry determine whether one was free or enslaved in a white supremacist society. It is the bias against DARKER skinned people in Black and Brown communities.
Sorry but that african lady dont look light skined to me she looks like her skin been bleached.
She said she's been asked by others if she bleaches.
I got that impression as well. Her skin doesn't look naturally light.
She's Nigerian. Of course she bleaches.
@@kisha4040 it’s so crazy, because if she was black American, you would refer to her as yellow or yellow bone but because she is Nigerian and your perceive stereotypes of how Nigerians look like plus the stereotype of African women bleaching you automatically. Assume she’s not light skin which is absolutely crazy, and you don’t realise that in this very moment you are being colourist
@@godflint black people come in a variety of different skin tones. If she has hazel eyes you wouldn’t say that she is the same skin tone is Rihanna literally a yellow undertone but because she is Nigerian you automatically Assume she’s not light skin, there are thousands of ethnicities in Nigeria. We literally make up 256 million people. Therefore there are a variety of skin tones and undertones. She is from my Igbo and those people typically tend to be on the lighter end of the spectrum, but of course you are an on educated black American, who knows absolutely nothing about Africans or African history ancestry and the variety within our culture and community
From my observation colorist people come from outside the America diaspora not saying Black Americans didn’t experience colorism but Islander Blacks practice that heavy especially Jamaicans and Latinos from the Islands 💯
😂😂😂😂😂😂🙄🙄🙄
Black is beautiful in all shades! #🚫complexion privilege #its enough division among us now #❤️everything African 💯
@@user-Mimi_622 Facts they will never understand until they come to America a n have a wake up call🤣
Gary was just stating the obvious and baffooning
I thought that Black People are 13% of the population.
That lie been told for over a half a century, we are clearly more than 13%...white ppl need to keep speaking their word spells calling us the 'minority'
Why is G-Thang here?!?
Is Nneoma Okorie biracial?
Nope she’s fully Nigerian
I guarantee one of her parents is very light and most probably mixed, people of west African heritage are not that light without some mixing, even light skin Caribbeans and African Americans are mixed for the most part.
@@enosger people of west Africa come in all different shades hun. Black people in general Her mom and dad are both fully Nigerian. Igbo to be exact. Many Igbo people are lighter complexion and are not biracial.
@@cleopatraking7092 However some Nigerians do have racial mixture.
I love these conversations but does it always have to be about colorism? Or light skin privileges. There is so much more we can discuss about the community outside of skin tones!
Yes because it impacts darkskinned women. It maybe not be important to YOU but it is important. And if you have a darkskinned daughter I suggest you open up your ears and listen to their experiences not gaslight, downpay, or act like its not important. Why should darkskinned people care about anything in this community if yall dont care about our plight?
Well, when the vast majority keep denying it... yes. It needs to be discussed... and often. Furthermore, data to back up the issue is fairly new. Our parents and grand parents were always gaslighted and told they were not seeing and experiencing what they were by the community... they did not have the supporting data.
is it me or does dat lady in the top left have big hands
wow
What is not discussed and should be is that colorism is more prevalent within the African, Afro-Caribbean, and Afro-Latino communities and not as much within Native USA Black or the Freedman. So that is why some people say yes and some say no. It depends on the culture. Native Black Americans didn't have a caste system in our culture because we were all Black regardless of color to the dominant society.. nor “ improve the race” nor “ skin bleaching” Super clear on the panel that at least two of the women are non-Native Black Americans.
If you look up "brown paper bag test" and all that came with it Native Black Americans did have a colorism caste system.
@@nerdsalsocomeinchocolate2740 I am not talking about what happened 100 years ago. Even during that time, there was no caste system. It happened and it stopped because there was No benefit since the dominant society saw us as one thing. Native Black Americans tend to have all sorts of colors in our family, from white-looking to dark skin. Colorism is not a big part of our culture. Yes, it happens( not disputing that) in our (Native Black)culture. But it is much more prevalent in African, Afro-Latino, and Afro-Caribbeans cultures which makes sense because of the caste system in their own countries. Native Black Americans had the one-drop rule.
Lol black Americans are more hung up on colour than any other part of the diaspora. Don't lie to make yourself feel better or superior. Your recent actions, violent behaviour and race wars shows you guys are more race focused. Black Americans literally know nothing about black Caribbean people in the Caribbean compared to us always seeing your bad behaviour on display. We don't brutalise each other because of skin colour over here. Dating preferences sure but not job accessibility.
@@peacehappyb237 like Dr. Webb explained there are studies from the 50s up to present day showing the disparate impact dark skin tones have on job opportunities, educational outcomes, prison sentences, etc. But for arguments sake say you are correct that the one drop rule in America made it so that the dominant society treated all blacks the same regardless of skin color - that doesn't negate the fact that within the black community there were hierachies and a caste system. There are countless stories of darker skinned children being treated worse than their lighter skinned siblings/cousins within their own families. Nevermind broader communities using the paper bag test and other tools to keep certain social and educational spaces reserved for light skinned black people.
the paper bag test that didnt end until the mid sixties but the mentality of it still carried on into the nineties. Not 100 years ago.
Where’s Cynthia 😤
Ok !!!!
She needs her own show on here
Yall talk as if you're all married with a husband and kids breathing down your neck Do you and dont let others limit you with the numbers game, it aint right
Girl. You are not Michael Jackson light😅. Get over yourself.
🖤❤💚 COLORISM AND THE COLOR STRUCK MENTALITY,TOWARDS BLACK DARK SKINNED PEOPLE 👨🏿🦱👩🏿🦱 IS TRUE!! SINCE SLAVERY DAYS!! 🖤❤💚
I would hate to be a DSBW
But you are the same people that tell us, we are jealous of light skin people because we don’t love ourselves, but yet you expect us to hate ourselves, but when the girls do show signs of insecurity, you clown them for being insecure, make up your mind, do you want us to stop being jealous and be empowered or do you want us to hate ourselves and I think that’s the reason why a lot of you are so colourist because you can’t stand to see a dark skinned girl who absolutely loves herself is shining and radiant It triggers you to the call because you don’t understand it, you expect her to be moping around sad and depressed.
Why dont you talk about generations of abuse or child literacy? Just colorism smh guess i shouldn't be surprised with Fox