Tried a Hooped Bivi and never again. I am not a small chap and found the Bivi a real squeeze with very little room to move. I now use a lightweight 2 man back packer and find it fantastic, loads of room for the rucksack, place to put damp clothing and get your boots off without too much problem. If a Bivi is the only thing available, so be it, but its not for me. Thank you for taking the time to post.
I'm with you on bivvies. I have the twin hooped version of yours, the ridge master, with the side entry. It's awesome. There is no outdoor sleeping experience as pure as sleeping out in a bivvi and when the weather turns foul it's just amazing to experience how something so simple can be so effective in providing sanctuary from the storm. I know no matter how hard the wind may blow, from whatever direction it turns, how hard it rains, I'm dry and safe and don't need to get out to move pitch to somewhere less exposed, priceless.
I looked everywhere for the ridge master before i got this. They are like unicorn dung though...very rare. I wish Rab still made them as the design was superb. I've heard rumours of a similar design coming out next year though.
I seen a yank do a review on a tent bigger than the average British garage. He was complaining about it being too small.. what with his camp bed and indoor stove complete with chimney 🤣
That's what I thought. To paraphrase Arthur Dent from The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 'that's some strange usage of the phrase "plenty of space" that I wasn't previously aware of!'
Lots of good points and well observed. 11 years in the Army and an expedition leader, I've spent far more time in bivi bags than tents, though the British Army issue in my day was just a bivi bag, no hoops. From the height of summer to sub zero snow and ice, a roll mat, goretex bivi bag, and a sleeping bag was all I used. In the extreme cold, wearing a balaclava, I'd pull the draw string of the hood of the bivi bag almost completely closed, leaving a small hole at my mouth. That way the moisture from my breath went out into the air, and not inside. I can certify that one of the most desirable items of kit was a hooped bivi, though hooped at both ends, and made from goretex (20+ years ago there weren't really any other fabrics that came close for performance in wet conditions and were breathable). It's low profile nature is absolutely key. You want to be able to tuck into a small space and be completely inconspicuous. Even now I think I'd prefer a tarp/basha and a bivi bag, for some overhead cover and to sleep in, rather than a tent.
@@ryand141 I'd still pair it with a (camo) tarp for overhead cover from the elements when not in the bivvi. Also good skills to throw the tarp up first and create a shelter under which you can then set up the bivvi. Also provides cover for your bergan as there's no way that's going in your bivvi. Remember, the tarp can be standing height when you need it to, and lowered to waist height (and lower) for stealth, particularly if using a natural dip in the ground.
@@SeanHendy Plus the tarp is quite heavy also as extra weight for a bikepacking trip, but yeah, ideally you would want that extra layer of protection in winter esp or army. Cheers for advice.
@@ryand141 tarp needn't weigh more than a few lbs only, besides if you're on a bike, you're not carrying it on your back. Not that I've toured on a bike, but I'd be inclined to go for a seat mounted trailer for stowage, rather than paniers and a ruck. Glad to help.
I spent my entire adult life sleeping in small spaces in the Navy, and think this might just quench my weird desire for a small sleeping space in the outdoors. Thanks!
Bivvied on Dartmoor a couple of years ago with my son. We had 2x Alpkit Hunkas (400g each) and an 800g tarp, so total of 1.6kg. Got eaten by bugs and woke up covered in slugs. Repeated with 2 man naturehike tent 1.3 kg and found it much better. Bivvy was a great adventure but not one to repeat!
That's why I use the bivis with a bug net now. I've had the midges when bivi camping in Buttermere and slug trails are a familiar sight too haha. This is as close as I can get to nature without getting eaten by something.
I love bivi bags,nice and simple and lightweight....a small tip that I do I find a straight ish branch around 4 or 5 feet long and drive it into ground next to the entrance end it helps with balance...something to hold onto..great video....
Nice bit of kit. I can see the freedom of being closer to a visual leave no trace, but to be honest I will stick to a one man tent for the extra room. Have used a bivy system with US military and woke up dry and warm on top of a tank with several inches of snow on top of me, so I know they work. God bless.
Great to see this, Paul. I bought my Rab Ridge Raider largely because of your vid using it in the Peak District. I love the fact that you demonstrate getting in and out. No looking back for me - I love my hooped bivi, and am looking forward to my first woods stealth camp when the weather improves.
And here was me thinking they'd be fond memories getting drenched on dartmoor or salisbury plains. I agree that a tent is the best choice for most situations.But I still love to get out in the bivi sometimes.
@@PaulMessner Good to know you know a tent AND inflatable mattress is the best. Followed by a hamac with a mosquito net included....if the conditions are perfect wich doesn't happen often depending where you are. A good night of sleep is too important to play soldiers.
This was very helpful. It told me that I'm not going to be happy camping with a bivi bag, hoop or no. I'm going to look into one-man tents (or, at least, I will once my back trouble is better...).
Have the TN Jupiter single hoop 770g. Sometimes I carry a small tarp just in case its raining when I onsite, makes a great place to leave boots / rucksack. Never had one drop of condensation even in buckets of rain in Feb in UK
I prefer a mesh bivy and a silnylon tarp over a sealed bivy. Less condensation, lighter weight, more versatile, less claustrophobic, and can still enjoy being outside. I'd recommend the Marmot Mesh Bivy, if it was still being made, but the REI Co-op Bug Out Bivy is also a good alternative.
I've a black Terra Nova Jupiter, (and two others) and as Paul says, with your bag and thermarest inside it makes a great "bed roll", toss it out, blow a few breathes to finish off the pad, and you're in. Also means your sleeping bag isn't exposed to rain. I've done loads of bivvying and I love the speed and lack of hassle. I've slept in puddles without problems. A bin bag or two sorts out the rucksack and boots if they're too mucky/ big to get in. I never use the hoop, that way and I can toss and turn with ease, and keep a breathing hole, even when it's p*ssing down. I find the hoop to be more claustrophobic unless you spend all night on your back. Not pegging it down speeds things up, and less to carry. It also makes getting in the same as getting into your sleeping bag from the top. You can bivvy anywhere! Parks in the middle of cities, golf courses - great in Scotland, nice flat soft grass, I avoid the greens, though - even the larger wooded roundabouts, all available. Love it. I can understand why many would loathe it, most of my mates wouldn't dream of it!
I had one of the first commercial bivi bags back in the early 80's and used them ever since. I now use a Snugpak sf light weight, and for colder/ wetter weather use the Corinthia Observer plus. Love both. I do take an umbrella to make changing and setting up. It's also good for sitting under cover while cooking.
That's genius Robin. So simple yet I haven't thought of it haha. i've set up tarps, used mylar sheets and a poncho. But an umbrella is so simple. As for using bivis, like you i was hooked. Tried the first one and loved it since.
How do you like the Observer Plus? I saw a German review one and just received it in post yesterday. What’s your preferred setup with it? About to take it out for a test run soon.
@@mahbuddykeith1124 Really like it. The way I use it depends a lot on what I'm doing. It's main problem is a lack of anywhere to dress/undress in the rain. I sometimes take a small tart to create a dry area to cook/change although I rarely do anymore. A good sleep mat helps a lot.
I have used the Rab Ascent bivi for years, which I have just loved vs previous military kit. You can tie one end to a trekking pole via a loop of paracord to get the same effect as the hoop (has the mesh too). Bomb proof.
Thats a great bivi Kirsten. I used the same one to pitch at Buttermere after traversing Striding Edge. Here's the video, you might like this one. ruclips.net/video/UJkz2Xr3uxg/видео.html
I first began using bivvies during the 70's and then bought a new Goretex bivvy in the 80's. I am not a fan of a single hooped bivvy like the Rab and similar designs from recent companies. I think the dual hoop (with large hoop at front and small hoop near the feet end) prevents the material from sagging over your body. Even the simple addition of two cord attachments near the lower feet end to a single hoop design allows you to lift the the whole roof off the ground, keeps it tight and more robust, plus increases internal air flow and decreases condensation.
Cannot fault your video. I used to enjoy my hooped bivi overnighting along Offa's Dyke, New Forest and Dartmoor. But now my Akto overcomes the problems that come with advancing years and over active bladder!
I still haven't had any bivy, but looked at a lot of them. The one you show in your video looks like the perfect bivy, I love it. Thanks for your videos.
Thank you for these viodes Paul. I watched your videos before buying one of these and my cooker :) I used mine for the first time yesterday and I believe there is an issue the way you raised the bivi. This unit has another string at the back side of the tent which stretches the tent and allows the backside of the tent to stay upright with the help of the metal bar positioned at the back of tent. If you build the tent as you did then the top of tent touches your body, sleeping bag etc and the condensation is transferred to them. You will also have more space for the air to circulate if you raise the top part of the tent.
I've used bivies a lot, including a hooped bug net one and a hooped OR GoreTex one. My first bivy was a very simple and cheap one with waterproof floor and slightly water resistant upper. Excellent for some protection of the sleeping bag on fall/winter/spring camping with a tarp. Not so much in the bug season. The hooped bug net bivy was fine with a tarp in the summer, but even that setup didn't save me much weight compared to a tent and with lots of mosquitoes I could still hear them attacking the bug net just over my face. The hooped GoreTex one wasn't really excellent for anything. It was fine in good weather for bug and dew protection, but it was really difficult to avoid condensation. I used it mostly on a PCT-hike with fairly cold nights and I know Event is supposed to breathe better than GoreTex. I'm still surprised you don't have any problems with condensation. Anyway, the main problem with a waterproof hooped bivy (except for getting in or out in heavy rain) is like you say - they just don't save much if any weight compared to a tent. It's slightly more stealthy than a tent, but is that worth all the disadvantages?
I always lift the back end up, or, you lose a lot of heat through conduction of a wet-on-the-outside bivvy touching you or your sleeping gear. If your bivvy lacks tags to do so, as mine does, find small round pebbles the size of beans, position them inside the bivvy where you'd wish the tags were and tie your lines around them from the outside.
Thanks Paul. I've been umming and ahhing about getting hooped bivi for a while. I do use a "normal" bevy with my tarp, but now I've got a F10 Exnon 2 person tent, this is my preferred method. It's as light as a bevi and tarp, but I get the bug protection! I do wild camp, but haven't found the need to conceal where I am to the extent I need to crawl into bushes! But that said, if it is good for you, go for it. Thanks for the video, it's helped cement my choice as best for me. Have a great Christmas and best wishes to you and your family.
It's all about what works best for you Ste. I'm in lucky position that I have so much gear to choose from. i can use a tent or bivi depending on my plans. The tent is the sensible option for most situations, but you can't beat a bivi camp on a clear night. Merry Christmas pal and hope 2021 allows us a little more freedom for adventure.
I have used an hopped bivy from the now defunct Adventure 16, and it was the dog's B's in many ways. I could actually cook in the vestibule, and with the second hoop, at the feet, it gave me a bit more room than what you show here. I did camp on a desert peak, once, and got tons of rain, and lots of fog. My altimeter didn't work for beans, because of the weather! Got some rain in the foot area of the bag, too, but I stayed nice, warm, and dry on my sleeping pad, and rode out the storm fairly well, actually. Thanks for the video. Lots of pros and cons for hooped bivy camping, but the ultra light weight is a huge plus!
I struggle enough getting my lanky cack-footed sen into a tent when it's raining, if I tried it with a bivi it'd end up a reyt state! Which is essentially what you've said at the end, only much more politely. Good vid re pros & cons though.
Rab Ridge Raider, a great way to spend the night, might weight a kilo, but its strong and will out survive a lightweight tent in bad weather anytime. Had some great camps in mine, just got to plan for dry weather, thanks Pat
It's definitely better in dry weather Pat. You are spot on. These bivis are going nowhere, no matter what the weather brings. I love mine, as you do yours. Can't wait to get out with it in the Peak District sooner rather than later. Have a great christmas pal, and keep those videos coming. PS...is the shed pub open on New Years Eve?
DEFCON5 all the way for me.BUT I use a Downmat7 and then it is a tight sausage. And if you wake up in the morning and it’s raining, I do appreciate the space and comfort of a tent where you can sit up and get ready before getting out . Same for Tarp
@@PaulMessner So far it's been much better than I expected; roomy and kind of breathable with no condensation issues. I've not had it in the deep snow yet, but that is coming soon :-D I wish I'd had the chance to compare the OR Alpine and Helium Bivy's back to back, as am not convinced I needed the expense of the Goretex with the Alpine.
You git, I have broken and ordered a cheapo one while the trekmates squall comes back in stock. I have a feeling that this will be like cycling, keep trying it in the hope itll grow on me.
I like the looks of that Bivy. I’ve used hooped bivys for many years, mostly the (discontinued) Integral Designs Sola and Mega Sola. I have many, many nights in them in all sorts of conditions.. Thank you for a most interesting video.
Thanks Paul. Love my Ridge Raider. We only half jokingly call it "Body-bagging". I bought a non hooped 1st but found the fabric on my face too claustraphobic. Not a fan of small spaces myself as I'm 5'10" and 15 1/2 stone but the Ridge Raider is fine. I removed the guy lines and don't bother with pegs as I only get in when about to sleep. The hoop stays up without these anyway. I find its easier to get in like you might get in a sack for your kids school sports day sack race (once upon a time) then lay down. Mind you I usually sleep in down clothing rather than a sleeping bag, ( a more flexible sleep/clothing system for my trips) or in warm French summers just in a t and shorts. I do find that even using a thicker mat increases the closed in feeling, so thin as possible works best. In hot weather too the mesh net really keeps the heat in so I tend to just half open it and chance the bugs. This kit is great for short free wandering trips abroad. Just book cheap flights, walk out of the airport and explore. Obviously do some homework on where you're going but I've never had any issues. My girl wild camps abroad with me in a small tent but says she wouldn't risk a bivi cos you can see theres only one person in it so you may get unwanted attention. I reason that anyone who is mad enough to wild camp in one of these on their own is obviously someone best left alone ! Lol The low profile is great for camping where you might not quite be supposed to. The tiny footprint - well as tiny as 15 stone 7 can be - allows you to camp in loads of great spots you just couldn't pitch any tent. You can sleep propped up with full outward observation ability if you like. You can even stand up wearing the Ridge Raider if you want to take a leak into a bottle (takes practice.) I'd love to know if anyone has used a hooped bivi designed for two people. For me that would be very useful. I want to walk up to my pitch roll out the shelter and be in it ready for sleep in seconds not minutes, same when rising, and the Rab Ridge Raider gives me that. It packs tiny. It's very durable. Most of all it keeps you dry from moisture whether rain, ground water, or condensate. Top kit. Happy travels. John
I am a dedicated bivy camper, although usually I pair them with a small tarp or poncho. I have and use a lot of different models, from the SOL (which actually works pretty good) to the Belgian version of the Dutch made by Carinthia.
@@PaulMessner coupled with a lightweight sleeping bag the SOL and comparable 2GoSystems models (which I also own) make for a great light sleep system even down to cooler temperatures.
I use a Alpkit Hunka (330g) and a Terra Nova Competition Tarp 1(280g) - add to that something like a Aegismax sleeping bag and you've got a seriously good little setup that's properly ultralight and not only that you don't need to remortgage the house for it.
Nice one Paul, not many folks show what a faff it can be getting in and out of a bivy. I use a Dutch army one for that reason as the side zip makes getting in and out much easier, especially for me as I'm not as flexible as I was when I was 30! I also keep a small tarp (6ft square) and use this as either a ground sheet to stand on or small cover to cook under or both. A little extra weight but loads more convenience and comfort to keep me dry. My favourite time to get out in the bivy is with snow on the ground but we rarely see that now in the UK, but its equallyas good for a beach camp in the sand dunes. Always a great bit of kit to have the option to take along with you. Keep safe, cheers.
That Sir, is a most excellent hat - or Touque as we call them in Canada. Any kind of outdoor activity this time of year, requires good head gear. I know this is an older video, and you've likely mentioned it before, but what backpack/rucksack are you using here? It looks military. I'm really glad that you are now able to focus on what you love to do the most. That's a pretty big step. Your videos are some of the most honest and unpretentious ones out there. Very informative and easy to watch. Looking forward to seeing new ones.
Spent 18 nights sleeping under a tarp with a british army bivy cycling across France. It really opens your options up in terms of wild camping: often I'd get to a point when I was knackered from cycling and would just dive into a hole in the hedge and kip. Not so convenient at municipal campsites where you appreciate some privacy. Tents all the way for me now.
a really good idea is to put the rucksack down in the bottom of the bivvy, because it if rains a lot, the water will pool down at the bottom of the bivvy. and i have used that bivvy many times.
A hooped bivi in my opinion an emergency shelter, I’ve a lot of experience with the military and I’ve slept under basha, tents, and hooped bivie is a one night thing, you would want to use it for any longer.
I like my aquaquest hooped bivy. Easy entry and exit at night with the full zipper and it's large. I like it better than the tent. Feels less claustrophobic. which seems counterintuitive. Plus its just so easy to set up.
Good video Paul! I’ve had the Rab Unishelter for a few years now and am a big fan. It’s easier to get into, provides a superior view of night skies and is made of the same materials as the Ridge Raider. I’m not sure why Rab offers both of these models as I don’t understand what, if any, advantages the Ridge Raider offers over the Unishelter.
I got a Dutch army hooped bivvy (XL) but haven't tested it yet... I think I'd still take a sil-nylon poncho which can double as a tarp if required, of course the military had these ponchos for years too! Can go over you and a pack.
Always enjoy your enthusiasm and chance to hear a northern accent - don't have many of them down here here in Tasmania our kid. As for the body condom -..yeah, nah...I'll stick with me Vango TBS Micro. Nice one Paul.
Good assesment. Have to say I remain totally unconvinced about bivis if I require rain protection v's a small tent. Marginal benefits and big cons in my view. If I don't require rain protection, I don't require the bivvy in the first place.
It's not for everyone. In most situations the tent is the obvious choice. I use them for most of my trips for this reason. However, sometimes i do love to get that little bit closer to nature that a bivi does for me.
Hi, great video as always! I’ve only ever used my Hunka XL as an extra layer while in a tent. I bought a Rab Unishelter bivi in the summer, but haven’t tried it yet. I may give it a go this winter! Options!! Ha Ha. Cheers, JD
The side entrance in the unishelter is better than going in at the end. However, the ridge raider has a little more space inside. I guess it's a draw on which i like the most. Let me know how you get on with it.
Always thought they would be great for a light weight solo camping trip. Not a lot to carry and definitely a solo item. One major problem , here in my area ( Central Florida ) a normal tent becomes a sweat box and that would become a sweat tube in no time. Closest thing to a bivi for this area that's comfortable is a Hammock. Light weight , up in the air for ventilation and normally a solo item. From the what's it worth department. Bivi''s remind me of Body bags ( Navy/Marine Medic ) . Hammocks ( up north on the Appalachian Trail ) are called " Bear Burrito's ".
Nice video, I am thinking of upgrading my bivvy, I currently use the Alpkit Hunka XL, might have to consider this one. Though one addition I would like to see on this a loop at the foot end, roughly between your feet which might allow to pull the material fairly taught.
The Unishelter bivi I have has the loops but I don't tend to use them. that bit of freedom allows for more movement in the bivi which I like. The Hunka XL is great. Only thing for me was having to makeshift bug protection as I'm a wuss haha
Brilliant Paul going to watch you using them now . I’m def in the market for a new bivvie quite a few on the list . I have used my dd magic carpet as a mini tarp not as massive as a full tarp really useful
Thanks, Paul, that was v useful. Yes, the Rab Ridge Raider should be good - I see the price range is £280 to £330 - so good of you to mention EWM who looks at cheaper options. As you said, if people find the hooped bivvi too claustro, then it's a no no. Ta.
It's a big expense if you're not sure bivi camping is for you. EWM does have some decent reviews on the cheaper options. I've also done one of the Snugpak bivi a few years back.
My old Survival Aids Goretex Bivi is a bit like a body bag but it does the job, keeps me dry and I can lob it down anywhere really. I have woken up with the foot end bobbing in a puddle but still perfectly dry,
I got the geertop bivvy, I learned very quickly that it is super quick to set up and fits all your gear and can go anywhere but horrible if it rains at 6:00, your sleeping bag and gear gets wet and you have to spend the evening in a coffin! You need to take a tarp to save all the bother and then, as you say, why not use a tent?!
I love giving! I still have mine from 1980. With 11 years hard use in the military. Got a few hole in it now. And gortex is looks strange now as it made of 1st generation of that material!
I mostly using hammock with tarp and underquilt , all 4 seasons but occasionally I sleep in dutch army bivi bag. Bivi is good when you dont know where u will be sleeping ( lack of trees for hammock ) or when I need to be stealthy. But even with bivi I use tarp to cover entrence to bivi and my backpack from rain etc. Good thing is that dutch bivi never fail to protect me from elemets , no matter how long and heavy rain will be ( ort snow) and its pretty big inside so i can put all my stuf inside if needed ( boots , backpack )
I have a 3x3m tarp, that and a ground sheet gives a much larger area and is 1kg. It also has enough room for two people, bags and room to cook in the closed A frame configuration. This looks very claustrophobic by comparison.
it's the ultimate in quick/stealthy camping but you sacrifice a lot for that small footprint, I prefer my Vango Banshee 200 or a simple tarp/bivvy bag combo
I've been using a bivi and tarp set up for 20 years or more, both in work and out. I find the set up really flexible and adaptable to any location. I still wake up in a bivi and for the first few seconds feel 'trapped', until I find the zips! So I rarely zip the front up entirely, and I've never stowed my gear in the front section, i'm probably a little claustrophobic (Claustrophobic = 'Someone who has an irrational fear of Santa!'.....Claus trophobic, get it?). I've lost count how many times I've lost my balance getting in and out of a bivi and ended up with soaking wet socks! though I've often solved that problem by using a plastic bag or ground sheet as a door mat. I only use a tent when I'm not solo.
Your comedy is about as good as mine Phil. Agree totally about how flexible a bivi and tarp setup is. You can use which bits you need to suit the environment. Have a great Christmas pal.
Done this and gotten past the urge. I used mine in the Scottish mountains, not great after a days walking in remote areas in the rain when you need that extra space to get dry and comfortable. Cooking was also an issue as there is little space to keep your kit and cook as well when it is raining. To state it was sold after one trip is an understatement, each tent/bivi has its place and this would be better in a climate that is stable and less rain.
I’ve always wanted to do this but can’t get past the feeling of turning myself into a human snack in a baggie for a bear. Little room to maneuver to vainly defend ones self if there’s a midnight visit. My go to minimum size is pretty much set at a tent with footprint. 126 cm by 2.1 m, to accommodate two persons on two XL thermarest neoair mattresses. After 30 odd years of tenting, that’s my conclusion on a min size for a shelter. YMMV. Thanks for the great review Paul! Also, I’m guessing that this unit weighs a bit heavier as it’s not using traditional silnylon material but rather a waterproof membrane competitor to gore Tex. Making it tougher and longer lasting in the long run.
It's a very durable bit of kit. the materials are very tough. But you are right. Space is at a minimal so this shelter won't suit everyone. I obviously choose a tent when bad weather is forecast but there's nothing better than sleeping and staring at the stars from a bivi (my opinion anyhow)
Love Rab but I doubt I would get into that these days. Maybe 30 years ago. I do have a non hooped goretex bivvie bag but would only use it as extra protection for my bag. I also have a Eureka solitaire Al which is about 100 grams heavier. It has 2 hoops, is a hybrid and, best of all, has top entry as well as end entry so my creaking body can fit in it :) Frankly I just use my Vango F10 helium 1. Room to sit up, is stealthy enough and isn't claustrophobic. I can also get in it. A bivvy is for younger folk than me.
You're only as old as you feel Ewen so try and ignore those creaks haha. The tent is a better option for most situations though. I can't argue with that.
You might enjoy this video of me using this bivi ruclips.net/video/VUvDIz2PA74/видео.html
It would be pretty cool if you could provide Amazon UK links or links to any European retailer.
@@nemezote There is a link to the Rab site in this video and an Amazon link in the video in this thread.
Looks a good one Paul
....and, of course, if it rains during the night you can have a good wash down in the morning with the rainwater collected in your boots. Perfect!
Tried a Hooped Bivi and never again. I am not a small chap and found the Bivi a real squeeze with very little room to move. I now use a lightweight 2 man back packer and find it fantastic, loads of room for the rucksack, place to put damp clothing and get your boots off without too much problem. If a Bivi is the only thing available, so be it, but its not for me. Thank you for taking the time to post.
I'm with you on bivvies. I have the twin hooped version of yours, the ridge master, with the side entry. It's awesome. There is no outdoor sleeping experience as pure as sleeping out in a bivvi and when the weather turns foul it's just amazing to experience how something so simple can be so effective in providing sanctuary from the storm. I know no matter how hard the wind may blow, from whatever direction it turns, how hard it rains, I'm dry and safe and don't need to get out to move pitch to somewhere less exposed, priceless.
I looked everywhere for the ridge master before i got this. They are like unicorn dung though...very rare. I wish Rab still made them as the design was superb. I've heard rumours of a similar design coming out next year though.
I just ordered one for its weight. 550 grams compared to 1.5kg for a single person tent. I’m already carrying like 30kg lol
Until you have to take a dump
@@smellybearc7411well, yes, but I would be loath to do that in a tent too.
You and I clearly don't have the same definition of "plenty of space" Paul 😂
Snug then...haha. Thanks for watching. Have a great Christmas
I seen a yank do a review on a tent bigger than the average British garage. He was complaining about it being too small.. what with his camp bed and indoor stove complete with chimney 🤣
That's what I thought. To paraphrase Arthur Dent from The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 'that's some strange usage of the phrase "plenty of space" that I wasn't previously aware of!'
Lots of good points and well observed.
11 years in the Army and an expedition leader, I've spent far more time in bivi bags than tents, though the British Army issue in my day was just a bivi bag, no hoops.
From the height of summer to sub zero snow and ice, a roll mat, goretex bivi bag, and a sleeping bag was all I used. In the extreme cold, wearing a balaclava, I'd pull the draw string of the hood of the bivi bag almost completely closed, leaving a small hole at my mouth. That way the moisture from my breath went out into the air, and not inside.
I can certify that one of the most desirable items of kit was a hooped bivi, though hooped at both ends, and made from goretex (20+ years ago there weren't really any other fabrics that came close for performance in wet conditions and were breathable).
It's low profile nature is absolutely key. You want to be able to tuck into a small space and be completely inconspicuous. Even now I think I'd prefer a tarp/basha and a bivi bag, for some overhead cover and to sleep in, rather than a tent.
I like the idea of the Dutch army hooped camo bivvi. Could put it anywhere and not been seen. £85 bargain.
@@ryand141 I'd still pair it with a (camo) tarp for overhead cover from the elements when not in the bivvi. Also good skills to throw the tarp up first and create a shelter under which you can then set up the bivvi. Also provides cover for your bergan as there's no way that's going in your bivvi.
Remember, the tarp can be standing height when you need it to, and lowered to waist height (and lower) for stealth, particularly if using a natural dip in the ground.
@@SeanHendy Yeah, good idea,I know, not sure how to. Basha set up needs poles or paracord though and I've not had military training.
@@SeanHendy Plus the tarp is quite heavy also as extra weight for a bikepacking trip, but yeah, ideally you would want that extra layer of protection in winter esp or army. Cheers for advice.
@@ryand141 tarp needn't weigh more than a few lbs only, besides if you're on a bike, you're not carrying it on your back. Not that I've toured on a bike, but I'd be inclined to go for a seat mounted trailer for stowage, rather than paniers and a ruck. Glad to help.
I spent my entire adult life sleeping in small spaces in the Navy, and think this might just quench my weird desire for a small sleeping space in the outdoors. Thanks!
Did you have coffin bed terrors?
Bivvied on Dartmoor a couple of years ago with my son. We had 2x Alpkit Hunkas (400g each) and an 800g tarp, so total of 1.6kg. Got eaten by bugs and woke up covered in slugs. Repeated with 2 man naturehike tent 1.3 kg and found it much better. Bivvy was a great adventure but not one to repeat!
That's why I use the bivis with a bug net now. I've had the midges when bivi camping in Buttermere and slug trails are a familiar sight too haha. This is as close as I can get to nature without getting eaten by something.
@@PaulMessner Yes, your hooped bivvy is very nice. I might get the sewing machine out and add some bug netting and zips to my Alpkit Hunkas..
I love bivi bags,nice and simple and lightweight....a small tip that I do I find a straight ish branch around 4 or 5 feet long and drive it into ground next to the entrance end it helps with balance...something to hold onto..great video....
Nice bit of kit. I can see the freedom of being closer to a visual leave no trace, but to be honest I will stick to a one man tent for the extra room. Have used a bivy system with US military and woke up dry and warm on top of a tank with several inches of snow on top of me, so I know they work. God bless.
Agreed Mike. The tent is the sensible option. But bivis are still a great tool and i do like to mix it up from time to time.
@@PaulMessner Dutch army hooped bivi? Is it decent? Weight? Thx.
Personally I love my Dutch Army hooped bivi. Personal preference as always!
Great points. This kind of bivi allows to get your head down in places that a tent would be visible.
Puts you right on the cold ground though.
@@jonothandoeser not if you've got a sleeping mat...?
@@Frontfight try Steve Wallis for some fun stealth camping videos and ideas.
Similar with the Belgian army bivi. I do prefer the side access to the end access but I admit it's probably a trade-off and worse for water ingress.
Great to see this, Paul. I bought my Rab Ridge Raider largely because of your vid using it in the Peak District. I love the fact that you demonstrate getting in and out. No looking back for me - I love my hooped bivi, and am looking forward to my first woods stealth camp when the weather improves.
Great to hear! It's a superb bit of kit. You either love it or hate bivi camping. Welcome to my world.
I used a hooped bivi for years. Love it.
Which one do you use David?
@@PaulMessner I had a few. The OutdooResearch Alpine bivi was the one that got the most use.
After spending far too many nights in a bivi during my army days I have vowed never to do so again!
So glad you posted this comment!
And here was me thinking they'd be fond memories getting drenched on dartmoor or salisbury plains. I agree that a tent is the best choice for most situations.But I still love to get out in the bivi sometimes.
@@PaulMessner Nope, no fond memories - all I need to do is remind myself of Sennybridge and I soon ditch any idea of a bivvi.
@@PaulMessner Good to know you know a tent AND inflatable mattress is the best. Followed by a hamac with a mosquito net included....if the conditions are perfect wich doesn't happen often depending where you are. A good night of sleep is too important to play soldiers.
For good reason there shyt 👍
Spent 8 months in the Falklands in a hooped bivibag, fantastic bit of kit.
£280.00,,,,,,,,,,,,The only person that's suitable for is Prince Andrew as he doesn't sweat
haha. It's quite breathable but not enough room for him and a friend
@@PaulMessner ''allegedly'' hahaaha
@@PaulMessner I hear his friends are quite compact 😬
@@AndrewOliverHome ohhhh my goodness 😳 😂😂😂
Brilliant 🤣🤣
Omg I wake up,see english woodsman post and then see that you've posted!
I'll check out his new video. Thanks
@@PaulMessner my two favourite stealth campers/wild campers/wild cookers.You've got me wanting to try brew dog but you have to order them ffs
@@jamessanderson5068 they're in most supermarkets?
What a good natured review/opinion. Enjoyed this one.
This was very helpful. It told me that I'm not going to be happy camping with a bivi bag, hoop or no.
I'm going to look into one-man tents (or, at least, I will once my back trouble is better...).
Seems like it would be better if it had another hoop on the foot end. Not a fan of having the tent material laying on me.
You dont feel it much once your in your bag.
No you dont feel it until you feel cold water on your leg and it's not piss! Come to think of it!!🤔🇬🇧
The REI one works well, as it has rigid corners that prop up when you put the stakes in.
Thanks for that review Paul - you made the case of a hooped bivi well enough that I'll now think of getting one.
Have the TN Jupiter single hoop 770g. Sometimes I carry a small tarp just in case its raining when I onsite, makes a great place to leave boots / rucksack. Never had one drop of condensation even in buckets of rain in Feb in UK
I laughed when you said "Doddle!". Thanks for making me smile, Paul, and I hope you have a Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas Amy 😊😊🙏🏼
Merry Christmas to you too
I prefer a mesh bivy and a silnylon tarp over a sealed bivy. Less condensation, lighter weight, more versatile, less claustrophobic, and can still enjoy being outside. I'd recommend the Marmot Mesh Bivy, if it was still being made, but the REI Co-op Bug Out Bivy is also a good alternative.
I don't like tents or bivies but it's fun to watch the people crazy enough to use them.
I've a black Terra Nova Jupiter, (and two others) and as Paul says, with your bag and thermarest inside it makes a great "bed roll", toss it out, blow a few breathes to finish off the pad, and you're in. Also means your sleeping bag isn't exposed to rain. I've done loads of bivvying and I love the speed and lack of hassle. I've slept in puddles without problems. A bin bag or two sorts out the rucksack and boots if they're too mucky/ big to get in. I never use the hoop, that way and I can toss and turn with ease, and keep a breathing hole, even when it's p*ssing down. I find the hoop to be more claustrophobic unless you spend all night on your back. Not pegging it down speeds things up, and less to carry. It also makes getting in the same as getting into your sleeping bag from the top. You can bivvy anywhere! Parks in the middle of cities, golf courses - great in Scotland, nice flat soft grass, I avoid the greens, though - even the larger wooded roundabouts, all available. Love it. I can understand why many would loathe it, most of my mates wouldn't dream of it!
How do you reckon the Jupiter compares to this? I’m torn between the two
I had one of the first commercial bivi bags back in the early 80's and used them ever since. I now use a Snugpak sf light weight, and for colder/ wetter weather use the Corinthia Observer plus. Love both. I do take an umbrella to make changing and setting up. It's also good for sitting under cover while cooking.
That's genius Robin. So simple yet I haven't thought of it haha. i've set up tarps, used mylar sheets and a poncho. But an umbrella is so simple. As for using bivis, like you i was hooked. Tried the first one and loved it since.
How do you like the Observer Plus? I saw a German review one and just received it in post yesterday. What’s your preferred setup with it? About to take it out for a test run soon.
@@mahbuddykeith1124 Really like it. The way I use it depends a lot on what I'm doing. It's main problem is a lack of anywhere to dress/undress in the rain. I sometimes take a small tart to create a dry area to cook/change although I rarely do anymore. A good sleep mat helps a lot.
I will ads that, as it's gortex, in warm weather I have to be careful about condensation.
I have used the Rab Ascent bivi for years, which I have just loved vs previous military kit. You can tie one end to a trekking pole via a loop of paracord to get the same effect as the hoop (has the mesh too). Bomb proof.
Thats a great bivi Kirsten. I used the same one to pitch at Buttermere after traversing Striding Edge. Here's the video, you might like this one. ruclips.net/video/UJkz2Xr3uxg/видео.html
@@PaulMessner I am making a brew to watch it right now!
Paul: "There's plenty o' space inside 'ere-"
Me: _screams in Claustrophobe_
I first began using bivvies during the 70's and then bought a new Goretex bivvy in the 80's. I am not a fan of a single hooped bivvy like the Rab and similar designs from recent companies. I think the dual hoop (with large hoop at front and small hoop near the feet end) prevents the material from sagging over your body. Even the simple addition of two cord attachments near the lower feet end to a single hoop design allows you to lift the the whole roof off the ground, keeps it tight and more robust, plus increases internal air flow and decreases condensation.
Cannot fault your video. I used to enjoy my hooped bivi overnighting along Offa's Dyke, New Forest and Dartmoor. But now my Akto overcomes the problems that come with advancing years and over active bladder!
I still haven't had any bivy, but looked at a lot of them. The one you show in your video looks like the perfect bivy, I love it.
Thanks for your videos.
Thank you for these viodes Paul. I watched your videos before buying one of these and my cooker :)
I used mine for the first time yesterday and I believe there is an issue the way you raised the bivi.
This unit has another string at the back side of the tent which stretches the tent and allows the backside of the tent to stay upright with the help of the metal bar positioned at the back of tent.
If you build the tent as you did then the top of tent touches your body, sleeping bag etc and the condensation is transferred to them. You will also have more space for the air to circulate if you raise the top part of the tent.
Such a damn good video. I often watch it before getting the courage to go backpack with a bivy.
I've used bivies a lot, including a hooped bug net one and a hooped OR GoreTex one. My first bivy was a very simple and cheap one with waterproof floor and slightly water resistant upper. Excellent for some protection of the sleeping bag on fall/winter/spring camping with a tarp. Not so much in the bug season.
The hooped bug net bivy was fine with a tarp in the summer, but even that setup didn't save me much weight compared to a tent and with lots of mosquitoes I could still hear them attacking the bug net just over my face.
The hooped GoreTex one wasn't really excellent for anything. It was fine in good weather for bug and dew protection, but it was really difficult to avoid condensation. I used it mostly on a PCT-hike with fairly cold nights and I know Event is supposed to breathe better than GoreTex. I'm still surprised you don't have any problems with condensation. Anyway, the main problem with a waterproof hooped bivy (except for getting in or out in heavy rain) is like you say - they just don't save much if any weight compared to a tent. It's slightly more stealthy than a tent, but is that worth all the disadvantages?
I always lift the back end up, or, you lose a lot of heat through conduction of a wet-on-the-outside bivvy touching you or your sleeping gear. If your bivvy lacks tags to do so, as mine does, find small round pebbles the size of beans, position them inside the bivvy where you'd wish the tags were and tie your lines around them from the outside.
Thanks Paul. I've been umming and ahhing about getting hooped bivi for a while. I do use a "normal" bevy with my tarp, but now I've got a F10 Exnon 2 person tent, this is my preferred method. It's as light as a bevi and tarp, but I get the bug protection! I do wild camp, but haven't found the need to conceal where I am to the extent I need to crawl into bushes! But that said, if it is good for you, go for it. Thanks for the video, it's helped cement my choice as best for me. Have a great Christmas and best wishes to you and your family.
It's all about what works best for you Ste. I'm in lucky position that I have so much gear to choose from. i can use a tent or bivi depending on my plans. The tent is the sensible option for most situations, but you can't beat a bivi camp on a clear night. Merry Christmas pal and hope 2021 allows us a little more freedom for adventure.
I have just bought one of these for a 1300 mile trek, largely due to having seen you using it. Can't wait to try it out.
Wow 1300 miles. thats epic. Where are you going?
@@PaulMessner St. Michael's Mount to Isle of Iona, but via Whitby, Durham and Holy Island in Northumberland! As you do.
As a former frontline soldier, our issue bivi bags were a life saver in freezing conditions and keeping the sleeping bag dry.
Now you have the luxury of watching Paul freeze his arse off 😉
I have used an hopped bivy from the now defunct Adventure 16, and it was the dog's B's in many ways. I could actually cook in the vestibule, and with the second hoop, at the feet, it gave me a bit more room than what you show here. I did camp on a desert peak, once, and got tons of rain, and lots of fog. My altimeter didn't work for beans, because of the weather! Got some rain in the foot area of the bag, too, but I stayed nice, warm, and dry on my sleeping pad, and rode out the storm fairly well, actually. Thanks for the video. Lots of pros and cons for hooped bivy camping, but the ultra light weight is a huge plus!
I struggle enough getting my lanky cack-footed sen into a tent when it's raining, if I tried it with a bivi it'd end up a reyt state!
Which is essentially what you've said at the end, only much more politely.
Good vid re pros & cons though.
A tent is the sensible option most of the time. I do like to use the bivi every now and then though.
Rab Ridge Raider, a great way to spend the night, might weight a kilo, but its strong and will out survive a lightweight tent in bad weather anytime.
Had some great camps in mine, just got to plan for dry weather, thanks Pat
It's definitely better in dry weather Pat. You are spot on. These bivis are going nowhere, no matter what the weather brings. I love mine, as you do yours. Can't wait to get out with it in the Peak District sooner rather than later. Have a great christmas pal, and keep those videos coming. PS...is the shed pub open on New Years Eve?
Hats off to you for your effort of making a good informative video at the expense of wet boots
Great idea to get out of the elements fast but a tight squeeze getting your kit in there and being comfortable
Alpkit has a hooped bivi at a great price. I use mine for bicycle overnighters when i just want need a simple shelter for sleeping in.
I have 3 weeks off for Xmas and you are getting me in the mood for some winter camping 😁🇬🇧
Sounds great! I'm looking forward to getting out in the hills myself.
Lovely stuff Paul, wasn't sure if bivi camping is for me, but videos like this are convincing me to try.
You'll never know if you don't try. I obviously love taking the tent, but sometimes a bivi camp is just awesome.
Just bought one off Amazon, hoping to try it out on my local hills in Saddleworth and Dark Peak. Enjoying your videos Paul, helping a lot
DEFCON5 all the way for me.BUT I use a Downmat7 and then it is a tight sausage. And if you wake up in the morning and it’s raining, I do appreciate the space and comfort of a tent where you can sit up and get ready before getting out . Same for Tarp
sold my Hilleberg Unna and now use an Outdoor Research Alpine Bivvy for winter camping in Sweden now. Weight reduction was the driver.
How do you find the OR bivi?
@@PaulMessner So far it's been much better than I expected; roomy and kind of breathable with no condensation issues. I've not had it in the deep snow yet, but that is coming soon :-D I wish I'd had the chance to compare the OR Alpine and Helium Bivy's back to back, as am not convinced I needed the expense of the Goretex with the Alpine.
You git, I have broken and ordered a cheapo one while the trekmates squall comes back in stock. I have a feeling that this will be like cycling, keep trying it in the hope itll grow on me.
I like the looks of that Bivy. I’ve used hooped bivys for many years, mostly the (discontinued) Integral Designs Sola and Mega Sola. I have many, many nights in them in all sorts of conditions..
Thank you for a most interesting video.
Thanks Paul. Love my Ridge Raider. We only half jokingly call it "Body-bagging". I bought a non hooped 1st but found the fabric on my face too claustraphobic. Not a fan of small spaces myself as I'm 5'10" and 15 1/2 stone but the Ridge Raider is fine. I removed the guy lines and don't bother with pegs as I only get in when about to sleep. The hoop stays up without these anyway. I find its easier to get in like you might get in a sack for your kids school sports day sack race (once upon a time) then lay down. Mind you I usually sleep in down clothing rather than a sleeping bag, ( a more flexible sleep/clothing system for my trips) or in warm French summers just in a t and shorts. I do find that even using a thicker mat increases the closed in feeling, so thin as possible works best. In hot weather too the mesh net really keeps the heat in so I tend to just half open it and chance the bugs. This kit is great for short free wandering trips abroad. Just book cheap flights, walk out of the airport and explore. Obviously do some homework on where you're going but I've never had any issues. My girl wild camps abroad with me in a small tent but says she wouldn't risk a bivi cos you can see theres only one person in it so you may get unwanted attention. I reason that anyone who is mad enough to wild camp in one of these on their own is obviously someone best left alone ! Lol The low profile is great for camping where you might not quite be supposed to. The tiny footprint - well as tiny as 15 stone 7 can be - allows you to camp in loads of great spots you just couldn't pitch any tent. You can sleep propped up with full outward observation ability if you like. You can even stand up wearing the Ridge Raider if you want to take a leak into a bottle (takes practice.) I'd love to know if anyone has used a hooped bivi designed for two people. For me that would be very useful. I want to walk up to my pitch roll out the shelter and be in it ready for sleep in seconds not minutes, same when rising, and the Rab Ridge Raider gives me that. It packs tiny. It's very durable. Most of all it keeps you dry from moisture whether rain, ground water, or condensate. Top kit. Happy travels. John
I am a dedicated bivy camper, although usually I pair them with a small tarp or poncho. I have and use a lot of different models, from the SOL (which actually works pretty good) to the Belgian version of the Dutch made by Carinthia.
I've used the SOL instead of a sleeping bag. Worked pretty well as you say. Carintha make some nice gear.
@@PaulMessner coupled with a lightweight sleeping bag the SOL and comparable 2GoSystems models (which I also own) make for a great light sleep system even down to cooler temperatures.
I use a Alpkit Hunka (330g) and a Terra Nova Competition Tarp 1(280g) - add to that something like a Aegismax sleeping bag and you've got a seriously good little setup that's properly ultralight and not only that you don't need to remortgage the house for it.
Great setup you have there.
@@PaulMessner - just need to get out and use it 😣
Nice one Paul, not many folks show what a faff it can be getting in and out of a bivy.
I use a Dutch army one for that reason as the side zip makes getting in and out much easier, especially for me as I'm not as flexible as I was when I was 30! I also keep a small tarp (6ft square) and use this as either a ground sheet to stand on or small cover to cook under or both. A little extra weight but loads more convenience and comfort to keep me dry. My favourite time to get out in the bivy is with snow on the ground but we rarely see that now in the UK, but its equallyas good for a beach camp in the sand dunes. Always a great bit of kit to have the option to take along with you.
Keep safe, cheers.
Thanks Andrew. I like to use this setup ruclips.net/video/qoFa_lLYwqo/видео.html
The tarp and bivi work well together
Great video Paul and many thanks .I have an Alpkit Hunka XL but really like the idea of a hooped Bivi 👍
That Sir, is a most excellent hat - or Touque as we call them in Canada.
Any kind of outdoor activity this time of year, requires good head gear.
I know this is an older video, and you've likely mentioned it before, but what backpack/rucksack are you using here? It looks military.
I'm really glad that you are now able to focus on what you love to do the most. That's a pretty big step.
Your videos are some of the most honest and unpretentious ones out there. Very informative and easy to watch.
Looking forward to seeing new ones.
Spent 18 nights sleeping under a tarp with a british army bivy cycling across France. It really opens your options up in terms of wild camping: often I'd get to a point when I was knackered from cycling and would just dive into a hole in the hedge and kip. Not so convenient at municipal campsites where you appreciate some privacy. Tents all the way for me now.
Fingers (and toes) crossed that there’s tier movement for us on Weds and we can get out again!
I have everything crossed mate. Starting to get withdrawal symptoms.
a really good idea is to put the rucksack down in the bottom of the bivvy, because it if rains a lot, the water will pool down at the bottom of the bivvy. and i have used that bivvy many times.
I mostly put my pack at the bottom of the bivi. It also helps give structure at the foot end.
Nifty bit of kit, ideal for a summer's night I reckon. I bought a Alpkit Kloke, never got around to trying it on its own though.
I looked at the Kloke. Very lightweight but no bug protection. I'm a wuss when it comes to bugs. Have a great Christmas Robin
@@PaulMessner aye the midge in particular. 🙈 Merry Christmas to you and Jo mate. 👍🏼 🎅
Waiting patiently on your stealth camp video from Arthur Seat... Gimmie a shout when ur doing it, I'll give you a flash from MY spot up by Swanston 🏕
@@BlueKnows I need to recce the place again for a descrete spot. 🤔
A hooped bivi in my opinion an emergency shelter, I’ve a lot of experience with the military and I’ve slept under basha, tents, and hooped bivie is a one night thing, you would want to use it for any longer.
I like my aquaquest hooped bivy. Easy entry and exit at night with the full zipper and it's large. I like it better than the tent. Feels less claustrophobic. which seems counterintuitive. Plus its just so easy to set up.
Good video Paul! I’ve had the Rab Unishelter for a few years now and am a big fan. It’s easier to get into, provides a superior view of night skies and is made of the same materials as the Ridge Raider. I’m not sure why Rab offers both of these models as I don’t understand what, if any, advantages the Ridge Raider offers over the Unishelter.
Bivi bag camping in the west highlands without a tarp is a bit like apple crumble without custard.
Why would anyone ever have apple crumble without custard...that would be very wrong.
Great Video and advice on this paul.. Thanks a million.👍🏻
Bivis yep totally get it. Just prefer to schlep my 1 man vango. More room for not much more weight. Enjoyed the vid.
I got a Dutch army hooped bivvy (XL) but haven't tested it yet... I think I'd still take a sil-nylon poncho which can double as a tarp if required, of course the military had these ponchos for years too! Can go over you and a pack.
Always enjoy your enthusiasm and chance to hear a northern accent - don't have many of them down here here in Tasmania our kid. As for the body condom -..yeah, nah...I'll stick with me Vango TBS Micro. Nice one Paul.
Good assesment. Have to say I remain totally unconvinced about bivis if I require rain protection v's a small tent. Marginal benefits and big cons in my view. If I don't require rain protection, I don't require the bivvy in the first place.
It's not for everyone. In most situations the tent is the obvious choice. I use them for most of my trips for this reason. However, sometimes i do love to get that little bit closer to nature that a bivi does for me.
Hi, great video as always! I’ve only ever used my Hunka XL as an extra layer while in a tent. I bought a Rab Unishelter bivi in the summer, but haven’t tried it yet. I may give it a go this winter! Options!! Ha Ha. Cheers, JD
The side entrance in the unishelter is better than going in at the end. However, the ridge raider has a little more space inside. I guess it's a draw on which i like the most. Let me know how you get on with it.
Always thought they would be great for a light weight solo camping trip. Not a lot to carry and definitely a solo item. One major problem , here in my area ( Central Florida ) a normal tent becomes a sweat box and that would become a sweat tube in no time. Closest thing to a bivi for this area that's comfortable is a Hammock. Light weight , up in the air for ventilation and normally a solo item. From the what's it worth department. Bivi''s remind me of Body bags ( Navy/Marine Medic ) . Hammocks ( up north on the Appalachian Trail ) are called " Bear Burrito's ".
well...this is definitely not a coffin, not even close)) However, I would add one more arc at the opposite side.
Nice video, I am thinking of upgrading my bivvy, I currently use the Alpkit Hunka XL, might have to consider this one. Though one addition I would like to see on this a loop at the foot end, roughly between your feet which might allow to pull the material fairly taught.
The Unishelter bivi I have has the loops but I don't tend to use them. that bit of freedom allows for more movement in the bivi which I like. The Hunka XL is great. Only thing for me was having to makeshift bug protection as I'm a wuss haha
I've always liked the concept of the hooped Bivi. I'm on the lookout for a Dutch Army one but not as easy to find here in the states.
They are very robust and not too badly priced if you can find one.
High again, there are two loops on both ends some centimeters over the peg-loops. Use them with four short strings and pegs too. Kindly Fiete
I'll have to give this a try. Thanks
Brilliant Paul going to watch you using them now . I’m def in the market for a new bivvie quite a few on the list . I have used my dd magic carpet as a mini tarp not as massive as a full tarp really useful
Let me know which one you go for in the end.
Have you ever looked at the three pole bivi from big agnas ...extremely tempting
@@gibboevie7451 Not seen it. Will check it out
It looks really spacious can fit a 25in width pad in and it’s light
Great review Paul, really good pro and con points for bivy camping. Try DD Hammocks next.
I've used a DD hammock as a bivi before. Not bad actually but obviously you need a tarp setup to keep the rain out.
Thanks, Paul, that was v useful. Yes, the Rab Ridge Raider should be good - I see the price range is £280 to £330 - so good of you to mention EWM who looks at cheaper options. As you said, if people find the hooped bivvi too claustro, then it's a no no. Ta.
It's a big expense if you're not sure bivi camping is for you. EWM does have some decent reviews on the cheaper options. I've also done one of the Snugpak bivi a few years back.
Thanks Paul great video again
Thanks Chris. Are you a bivi convert or tent only?
Happy Christmas Paul , your videos have kept me sane and inspired me 👍🙏🎄
And to you Jimmy. Hopefully Santa is feeling generous.
My old Survival Aids Goretex Bivi is a bit like a body bag but it does the job, keeps me dry and I can lob it down anywhere really. I have woken up with the foot end bobbing in a puddle but still perfectly dry,
Hey Paul, really enjoyed the quiet intro to this video, very relaxing :)
Awesome, thank you! I do try and mix things up a bit.
I got the geertop bivvy, I learned very quickly that it is super quick to set up and fits all your gear and can go anywhere but horrible if it rains at 6:00, your sleeping bag and gear gets wet and you have to spend the evening in a coffin!
You need to take a tarp to save all the bother and then, as you say, why not use a tent?!
I must admit they are not perfect at all for wet weather. I tend to take a micro tarp and setup like this ruclips.net/video/qoFa_lLYwqo/видео.html
I love giving! I still have mine from 1980. With 11 years hard use in the military. Got a few hole in it now. And gortex is looks strange now as it made of 1st generation of that material!
I mostly using hammock with tarp and underquilt , all 4 seasons but occasionally I sleep in dutch army bivi bag. Bivi is good when you dont know where u will be sleeping ( lack of trees for hammock ) or when I need to be stealthy. But even with bivi I use tarp to cover entrence to bivi and my backpack from rain etc. Good thing is that dutch bivi never fail to protect me from elemets , no matter how long and heavy rain will be ( ort snow) and its pretty big inside so i can put all my stuf inside if needed ( boots , backpack )
I have a 3x3m tarp, that and a ground sheet gives a much larger area and is 1kg. It also has enough room for two people, bags and room to cook in the closed A frame configuration. This looks very claustrophobic by comparison.
In Australia we have a far more robust version called a swag with built in mattress.
Ideal for very quick car camping but far too heavy to carry
it's the ultimate in quick/stealthy camping but you sacrifice a lot for that small footprint, I prefer my Vango Banshee 200 or a simple tarp/bivvy bag combo
Agreed. The tent is the obvious choice for most situation, but there's times only a bivi will do in my opinion.
I've been using a bivi and tarp set up for 20 years or more, both in work and out. I find the set up really flexible and adaptable to any location. I still wake up in a bivi and for the first few seconds feel 'trapped', until I find the zips! So I rarely zip the front up entirely, and I've never stowed my gear in the front section, i'm probably a little claustrophobic (Claustrophobic = 'Someone who has an irrational fear of Santa!'.....Claus trophobic, get it?). I've lost count how many times I've lost my balance getting in and out of a bivi and ended up with soaking wet socks! though I've often solved that problem by using a plastic bag or ground sheet as a door mat. I only use a tent when I'm not solo.
Your comedy is about as good as mine Phil. Agree totally about how flexible a bivi and tarp setup is. You can use which bits you need to suit the environment. Have a great Christmas pal.
Done this and gotten past the urge. I used mine in the Scottish mountains, not great after a days walking in remote areas in the rain when you need that extra space to get dry and comfortable. Cooking was also an issue as there is little space to keep your kit and cook as well when it is raining. To state it was sold after one trip is an understatement, each tent/bivi has its place and this would be better in a climate that is stable and less rain.
I’ve always wanted to do this but can’t get past the feeling of turning myself into a human snack in a baggie for a bear. Little room to maneuver to vainly defend ones self if there’s a midnight visit. My go to minimum size is pretty much set at a tent with footprint. 126 cm by 2.1 m, to accommodate two persons on two XL thermarest neoair mattresses. After 30 odd years of tenting, that’s my conclusion on a min size for a shelter. YMMV. Thanks for the great review Paul! Also, I’m guessing that this unit weighs a bit heavier as it’s not using traditional silnylon material but rather a waterproof membrane competitor to gore Tex. Making it tougher and longer lasting in the long run.
It's a very durable bit of kit. the materials are very tough. But you are right. Space is at a minimal so this shelter won't suit everyone. I obviously choose a tent when bad weather is forecast but there's nothing better than sleeping and staring at the stars from a bivi (my opinion anyhow)
Did more bivi camping than I like to admit after many years in the infantry
I've many tales from army friends that have hunkered down on Dartmoor and Salisbury plains. Sounds like a great job to me.
@@PaulMessner I should have said I was in the Canadian military. Little Duffy conditions lol
I always pack a 2 man and put up with the extra weight, I prefer the space and comfort.
Thanks for the video. I would have liked to have seen how you get your sleeping bag in and out.
I'll stick with my dd hammock and tarp in the summer, and my Pasch in the winter; far n more space, and very light.
Great advice Paul
Great video as always. Many thanks
Glad you enjoyed it. What's you thoughts on Bivi camping Mickey. Tried it?
@@PaulMessner no paul I have not tried bivvy camping yet. I own three tents and will be doing some camping in January.
Not for me.. I'm still trying to get out in my brand new hammock and tarp.
Merry Christmas Paul and Bread Knife. Keep them coming.
Merry Christmas Malc. Which hammock did you go for? I'm tempted to dig mine out even if it's just to chill out for the day.
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Love Rab but I doubt I would get into that these days. Maybe 30 years ago. I do have a non hooped goretex bivvie bag but would only use it as extra protection for my bag.
I also have a Eureka solitaire Al which is about 100 grams heavier. It has 2 hoops, is a hybrid and, best of all, has top entry as well as end entry so my creaking body can fit in it :)
Frankly I just use my Vango F10 helium 1. Room to sit up, is stealthy enough and isn't claustrophobic. I can also get in it.
A bivvy is for younger folk than me.
You're only as old as you feel Ewen so try and ignore those creaks haha. The tent is a better option for most situations though. I can't argue with that.