Tej seems like a really down to earth person. These guys put him down and rejected him right away ... Yet when a deal was achieved he clapped for them.
Jenny was finally on the verge of making an offer, but when the guy mentioned the bet he had, spite got the better of her and she spoke her 2 favorite words.
I have barely seen her make an offer. I wonder why she is even on the show. I like Touker throwing in several generous offers, but entrepreneurs prefer to stick to where the money is, with Peter or Deborah.
Tej got properly destroyed like nothing else in the entire series!! Offers 8% for all the money :Rejected Offers 8% then dropping down to 5% after money back: Rejected Offers 5% exactly the percentage entrepreneurs wanted: Rejected *Drinks water to stay relevant.
i dont understand why you would invest in this product. you only have to pay a one time fee of 25$ to android to publish your apps. why go through the extra shady path of bypass the app store just to save 25 $
This is not a cool product at all, they just had a good presentation. It's investor bait. "I don't understand big data but it could be a revenue source in the future"-type statements in a pitch kindof give it away. It's basically a marketing service that puts app icons on your phone that lead to web sites. ( in this case, Single Page WebApps ) Your grandmother would use that, not you. Then again, it's not really asking for an awful lot of money.
@@MrLiquidxIce It's 30% fees from Google Play afterwads, but the big thing here is that it's a side channel for convenience rather than rule breaking. Also google has restrictions on apps that are themselves marketplace apps, and has a variety of restriction on things like explicit content.
@@SiriusXification Anything goes into the Play Store, they have almost no Quality Assurance in place. Unlike the App Store. Still, this Beezer thing is a pretty stupid product with no future, actually.
Yeah like wtf?! EVERY other time the Dragons get that attitude about favouring which dragon some upstart wants or how they told Taj and Touka for sod off they'd be pushed down that lift shaft. These guys were VERY lucky they had something Debra and Peter really wanted.
They have a very promising business, and giving away 5% of it to someone with little expertise in that field for a relatively small amount of money wasn't something they were willing to do. They came with a clear goal in mind: get a dragon that can help in the business. They don't need the money, they need the connections.
Sort of, but not really. Clever tactic actually, because they only had all 5 in mind, and as a backup, 2 specific dragons. Tej was not one of them. By blowing down his offer, it showed two things, that they were serious about their business, and that they we're going to stand firm on their negotiation. Of course Peter called the bluff in the end, it put a lot of pressure on the two dragons they wanted, and it could have just as easily went in their favor. If it were anyone else, the investor would have most likely budged as to not lose out on such a big opportunity. Peter has been playing the game for a very long time though, so he made a calculated decision, and it was the right one.
@@DennGreenIII Peter knew from the start when they said "we're looking for 2 specific dragons" that he was one of them, the guy is specialized in this industry.. For that reason he could put the stake high and still get a deal. He's very experienced and clever.
I agree with you there, Roni. For a businessman Tej has the strangest personality; like an understanding and empathic marriage guidance counsellor. A great guy without a shred of narcissism or aggression. Perhaps that's why he's the second richest Dragon in the den.
Not really. He has a great business and tej wanted a piece of the pie. He made a mistake by saying will any dragons go down to 5%, but he actually only meant peter or deborah. Then tej got horny when he mentioned 18 million nett worth by end of the year and jumped in.
Maybe it's because he isn't the lowest offer a firm at being slightly higher. If you are looking for house work and go for the lowest bid, chances are it will be a cheap job. Which may not be true about the dragons but maybe that subconciously is taken into account. They dont feel like they are getting a bad deal because they are willing to give up a little more for a little bit better of a job. Which may or may not be true. 2nd guess is that in sales you want to give off the vibe of success. If you pull up to a meeting in a broken down 1990 rust bucket, you will have a worse chance then if you pulled up in a lambo. How people perceive you also matters.
Peter's a smart guy. The entrepreneurs had already revealed they were there for two dragons, although at that point they hadn't disclosed which ones. Now Peter was either going to be among those two or not. If he wasn't, there was no point making a comparable offer as the entrepreneurs would always choose the dragon they wanted. And if he was, that means he could ask for more equity. Plus, he must've suspected he was the dragon they wanted given his background. It was a safe bet, really
Tej: “I’ll give you my entire net worth, for 1%” Peter: “I’ll buy you a drink, in exchange for your entire company and the adoption paperwork for your children” Business owner: “Peter all the way!”
Tej Lalvani is an amazing businessman no doubt but unfortunately it's just not that simple. They'll make more money with Peter Jones owning 15% than they would Tej's 5% purely off contacts alone.
@@cashewpistachio1826 well his parents,coming from a foreign land, worked hard and achieved to create a brand name worth millions Which requires lot of brains and balls to achieve this kinda feat , establish themselves as one of the richest in the country unlike yours who produced a waste product like you, who talks smack about entrepreneurs and is so ashamed of his own name , comes up with the names of two great Presidents.🤦♂️
I'm torn because, there's freedom in it too. But of course if you have no idea what you're installing then yeah, it's a one way trip to malware city. A rating system could give warnings but that would only do so much. Actually, the more I think about it, even with app stores I'm pretty sure I've installed crap that's practically malware.
So rude. Tej: I’ll go from 10% to 8%, dropping to 5% in future Them: only wanting to give away 5%. ANYBODY willing to do 5%? Tej: fine I’ll do 5% Them: ok. I reject your offer Peter shouldn’t have made a deal out of principle and stuck up for tej 😐 (But this is why I’m not a millionaire)
You make new enemies everyday! It's called business! This isn't, wasn't and won't be the last/only time Tej experienced getting mugged off! I'm sure there have been many occasions been potential clients opted to open an account with Tej's competitors rather than with his company. So despite the sucker-punch, Peter knows it wasn't Tej's first experience and knows it won't be the last.
What a disrespectful tosser he was to tej, I hope he has no luck in business. One day he may have to ask tej for a job,, stacking shelves with vitamins and health foods......tej is only worth few hundred million dollars,, hope he gets over losing out on this deal,,😀😆🤣😂
I'm not a businessman in any capacity, but I saw it as a matter of showing intent, his objective was to show how set he was into getting either deborah or peter
By getting Tej to come forward with his offer at the guest terms, he reassured that the valuation was a good deal. Peter and Deborah was asking for more, by refusing Tej who is a credible Dragon, the guest takes a stand that they are there for the opportunities the Peter and Deborah have. It was his way to negotiate their terms. They were now pressured to go lower or leave the deal. It was a ballsy move, we all could feel it. The rejection towards Tej indirectly became an insult against all Dragons, rather than a confirmation of the business's value. Peter's comment at the end confirms that this negotiation was one of his hardest, he was most likely debating with himself whether to go down or not.
@@accuriousgaming He should of left Taj in the running to pressure peter to come down. He should also have been explicit in saying he would like Peter and Debs to come up with a joint deal. He didnt leave them time to come up with that themslves... unless the vid was badly cut.
The Tough negotiation was from Peter, he got a deal at DOUBLE the equity Tej was knocked down to and the entrepreneur gave away a lot more than he wanted. Had he kept Tej in play, he would have got Peter lower. That was a good start but a poor finish and negotiations are about how you finish!
There was manipulation from both sides both trying to get involved at lowest risk to themselves. Peter didn't care about being alienated he just said that as leverage because the other guys were winning and out manipulating.
Yeah 100% with you on that Just keep Tej on the game and Peter would of lowert he’s offer because he wanted it a piece of Beezer The guys might of had a plan to give up to 10% but if they played the game properly they could of given less then 10%
@TIGERWOODSBOYFRIEND sales Brian is a sales man plain an simple, he went in with a goal Debra or Peter. He lost his way walking from 1-20 but still standing tall at 20
@@andersonaldo1340 doesn't matter as he is still making it a success. If he was useless the company would have collapsed so he still has good business acumen
@Couch Gaming, he did pull it off - he walked away with the dragon he came in for. You need that kind of ruthlessness to succeed in business, Peter Jones knew that and that's why he still made him an offer.
They were also rude to Peter after the show. They rejected his offer and went without Peter. They are sitting at 5 million valuation today in 2022 not even close to 18 million they thought they would cross in 2019
@@vikraal6974Hardly rude, it’s business. Peter has had his fair share of moments in the Den where he has been rude, and egotistical. During this pitch the entrepreneurs had total control and for the first time Peter was speechless and unsure of what to say.
It's not even an app. It's a shortcut on your homescreen that links to a mobile responsive webpage. It's like a shortcut to open a mobile-friendly website. I can't believe non of the dragons asked them about how they got to the ridiculous amount of money that they think their company is worth.
A room full of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, with the possible exception of the quiet techy person who secretly knows what a complete bag of shite it all is.
some are, for sure, but that still means there is a degree of control. Can you imagine going straight to customer with no review? would apps be worse or better? I produce apps BTW. I wish there was a better system
Wrong. I don't think you actually know what it is. It's just PWA, using manifest.json they're able to get the phone browser (chrome/safari) prompt the user to save the link to the homescreen of the phone. This has nothing to do with bypassing anything nor is it a way to deploy malware to your phone. It's simply a shortcut to a mobile friendly website.
Beezer didn’t reach anywhere since this episode. Not to mention Google already offer this. The concept is also flawed since the “app” is in fact just a home screen shortcut to a mobile friendly website. Anyone investing in this is a fool.
Apple does not allow any applications outside of the appstore period. iOS bypassing the appstore is breaching terms of use. Can't be done without hacking your phone or paying for a development toolkit with a monthly subscription. Android does not allow any applications outside of the preinstalled appstores either by default. They do allow you to go to the settings and click through 10 warnings not to do it to allow a one-time install of an app that's not on one of the app stores. So you do that again for every app. Why did this fail? Because their idea requires persuading the user to go to their user settings, under "advanced" go to "developer" and click "enable developer mode" and then "allow sideloading apps" and then confirming a few times that this opens you to viruses and is very unsafe each time someone wants to install an app outside the appstore.
Ze Spy Muffin Man You have got it wrong mate. It’s not an “app” which they were advertising. It’s a home screen shortcut widget which they sent to people. Once you click on the home screen widget, it takes you to a safari browser with a mobile friendly website which looks like an app but it’s not. You can do this yourself with any website now by clicking the share button (at bottom of Safari browser in middle), then clicking on “add to home screen”. Do you understand now?
It wasn't. They actually knew they wanted Peter from the beginning. With putting on the pressure like that, they tried to get Peter to negotiate for a lower percentage. By using Tej as a bargaining chip, they tried to outplay Peter.
@@CelticG Thats because all of it is coming from her banking business, she doesnt like to take risks, I dont understand why she is in there. Unlike Deborah who got rich from family business and dragon den type deals
dont understand why you would invest in this product. you only have to pay a one time fee of 25$ to android to publish your apps. why go through the extra shady path of bypass the app store just to save 25 $
Leveraging the profits from big data at a reduced percentage of shares still enables larger profits than without big data and with more shares. At least, that's what I assume his logic was. Only time will tell for certain.
When in Rome do NOT a Christian Be ! You HAVE to match fire with fire in Business. It's nothing personal and you need a strong disposition and resolution to always pick yourself up and get in there again until you,eventually, succeed....
magnificent data we're talking about. The HBRI isn't really capable of handling Big Data lol! That's so 2001! Humongous data is laughable too as it does not sit well with the market's FYI expectations. I'd say we should look into Super-Duper Data that can move businesses up the ladder swiftly.
Very bad negotiating skills.He had Taj willing to meet their offer and they still refused.They had the old lady at 6% and they refused.They had most of dragons at the start but we're clinching on to threads at the end.They sold 3 times the shares they originally planned.
Someone could give me £50,000 for my business, but I won't just take it if that's all I'm getting, I need their expertise, their skills and their contacts, otherwise the money could be at risk of being wasted. So, it's not always about the money. You could see they didn't need the money from the figures they showed.
@@uzzie88 very true. Majority of the pitches are from people who need the money so viewers just assume everyone comes for money. These guys wanted contacts and the rocket fuel of a dragon behind them
Agree with you and @uzzie88 The cash can be gone in a very short time, it's the contacts, supply chain, and the publicity from the link with Dragons Den. You never see an article about Levi Roots from Raggae Raggae Sauce without Dragons Den mentioned.
The first picosecond (10x-12) of cosmic time. There is the emergence in stages of the four known fundamental interactions or forces - first gravity, and later the strong, weak and electromagnetic interactions; and the expansion of space itself and supercooling of the still immensely hot universe due to cosmic inflation. But before all that, Jenny is out.
Deborah Meaden wrote a while back about the success of the people pitching. There is a lag between filming and when the programme goes out. She described once the programme goes out the oxygen of publicity means they don't need the dragons and better offers come in.
Did you just use the term buzzword to sound smart? you know big data is the soil growing your digital fingerprint and your predictive behavior everytime you buy or search anything?
Stellar Fervour That have nothing to do with the app who is destined to enterprise to design their own app and distribute to their already known customer...
So they're leveraging Progressive Web Apps (PWA's) and make it seem like they're making native apps. "Oh we're removing the App Stores from the pipeline" is such a convincing statement that makes you sound like you've gotten a breakthrough. I can't believe Peter Jones, who mentioned Big Data, doesn't know how easy it is to make a PWA builder, and what WIX ultimately is. These investors got played. Lol
You do realise they are allowed to check this stuff after the filming, better to make the offer then do due dilligence than not make it and miss out, less than 1 out of 3 offers actually complete off air
Exactly. If it were to be wordpress then that wouldve actually impressed me considering how many sites are made using wordpress. And even if they were to implement data extraction via their service, it still doesnt mean jack shit if no one is going to use it. And lets be honest, who opens a random download link anymore? Maybe if youre naive but I dont trust them for one bit unless they are apps like terrarium tv that are prohibited from the app store because they offer an illegal service. And even then, the chances of it being a faulty download is enormous.
@@TheFamousMileEnd the whole point of the app store is to "trust" what you are installing on your phone. There's checks and virus scans that Google does on andriod. And apple does as well. To make sure the app your installing isn't stealing your data and sending it to someone else. By bypassing the app store your removing these checks. And while they may put their own checks in place. It won't be as good of a job that the giant companies can do with their years of experience and millions of dollars behind them.
@@TheFamousMileEnd as for wix and Weebly. They are genuine business and used by legit people. However it's a way to make a fast free website that spammers and scammers take advantage of. That one is more if a personal dislike then a security issue
Nobody mentioning the fact that you would have to allow untrusted installs and quite rightly this raises red flags for most users or is simply out of their level of comfort. The appstore doesnt exist solely to skim from developers, it offers security to users. Crowdstrike has just shown the world the perils of circumventing development guardrails.
What a crap idea. I work in the consumer tech space and I have never heard anyone say “no one downloads my app”. I actually hear the opposite; people download the app but no one uses it. Not only that but companies hate making apps - having to rebuild their browser service in a mobile app that no one uses - huge waste of money - plus the company has to keep updating the app every time a new OS update comes out. The company will go bust very soon.
iPhone Email totally agree, the problem the ‘app’ purports to solve isn’t difficulty in downloading an app, it’s one of awareness which won’t be solved by having a link to a mobile friendly website
Smoking Crop the original idea they pitched in the den has been dropped - it didn’t work. They have now shifted to become a Web App Builder - a Web App is hosted on the cloud and accessible via a browser unlike a mobile app which is downloaded to a device. Web apps are nothing new - you access web apps everyday. To avoid seeming like they completely abandoned the terrible original idea they simply offer a QR code for a bookmark to the web app in your browser. There is absolutely nothing unique about anything they do. There are other Web app building platforms, you can generate a QR code for free... all the other stuff they talk about is just marketing activity.
All editing gets worse every year because editing is done by people who spend their leisure time playing video games, so all their work ends up looking like a video game. This is true of everything from RUclips videos to the Hollywood big screen in Cinemas.
@@dreamdiction Have you ever played any video games? There's no editing in the visuals or constant camera cut aways while youre playing,what are you on about??
I don’t quite understand the product, and I’m a software dev who’s made mobile apps. Firstly, you could already send links to your app via email/sms, etc as a way to distribute it. Yes it will still go through the app store, but I don’t understand how bypassing the app store helps your apps to get installed to more phones. If anything there’ll be an added security hesitancy to ask customers to sideload a random app from an SMS that doesn’t go through the App Store. What problem exactly does his product solve by doing that? Secondly, how do they technically achieve this? On iOS the only way I know requires installing some sort of enterprise certificate on customers’ phones. I can’t see how that makes it easier for your customers to get your app. That’s an added friction, not to mention a level of trust that I wouldn’t be comfortable with giving them on my phone. The way they describe Wix (“Breezer for websites”) makes me think it’s an app builder, rather than a revolutionary app distribution solution. You’ll still face the same problem re making people install your app.
I'm not a business guy nor a tech one, but I believe this guy accepted Peter's deal to save face, he made an emotional quick fire decision to close out other dragons. You never do that, even though you have a target, he could have used others to home in on his target. Went away with a deal he didn't want. Perhaps the nervousness in the den.
Anyone else frustrated that the dragons dont ask important questions about how the fact that theyre emailling apps to people, no iOS devices would be able to install the apps...
I can't say I would personally invest in this. The way many 3rd party apps or app stores work is by asking you to allow unsigned apps to be installed via your device's settings menu. This opens your phone up to a multitude of risks if you're not carefully aware of everything you download. Not a lot of people are going to trust that.
"Hello, my name is Bill and I've got an operating system that will be pre-installed on 99% of computers and I'm asking for £100,000 for 1% of my soon to be trillion dollar company." Jenny: "I'm out"
Beezer. Awful apps, awful idea, horribly implemented. Pointless. The dragons don't seem to have a bloody clue. And the Wix platform is horrendous. 99% of their sites lay dormant.
Wow 💓 thanks. Watching this 3 months since you did Its quite thrilling. But so great to have your grounding knowledge that put things into perspective. Love the Den. Cheers, 🥂
Don't know about Beezer but as a person with almost zero website design knowledge wix has significantly boosted my business. I use a wix website and I couldn't be happier
The app store exists as a safety measure. If you are just sending messages to people with links to download unverified applications, no one with the slightest hint of common sense will open it because thats the primary way how malware gets spread on phones. App stores filter out dangerous apps and your million dollar idea is bypassing a safety measure. Genius. Instead you can just send the massage with name of the app you want to promote, sure, but people arent too happy about receiving advertisements on their phones anyhow. And if you plan to create a new platform to download apps, how is that different from the app stores except being less safe with far fewer products to choose from? Its just a worse app store, probably cluttered with ads to generate revenue. Anyone investing in this is a fool. Its a nonsensical idea. Any moron can make an "app" that simply opens a website with downloadable files in just about 5 minutes.
You're not really downloading anything. They're company produces Web apps and then sends you a link so you can add that link to homescreen. They are PWAs which are just websites that can cache offline and send notifications
The answer, my friend, lies in big data. LOL.. pretty sure nobody in the den had any idea about this. Peter flipped in the word as a negotiation tactic to get the duo to agree to his proposal. Besides once someone marks the email message with the link as spam, then others on the web are likely to get a "potential spam" message as well based on trend. This looks like a money sucking investment with no significant returns in the long run. The playstore teams would want similar products on their tool since they are technically losing money otherwise earned had it been on their playstore.
I agree with Roland, that was pretty much what I was going to post after watching the video. If the links dont install the app as some people in the comments have said, then all you are really doing is setting up an alternative app store. What is to stop the existing app stores just adding link support? This is just a glammed up way of installing apps manually, which users can do already (at their own risk) But what do i know, people seem happy to use touch and pay and online banking whilst connected to public wifi. It will probably be a big hit
This is a major security flaw: "you can just send a link to a friend and they will download the app". If you click on certain links they can steal your accounts like banks or other important accounts, I wouldn't trust everything I seen on this website even though its trusted.
This was my first thought too, but really what they've done is made a Wix for apps, which means that any "app" that could be sent through their platform will be built on their platform. I think by "apps" they mean progressive web apps, which pretty much has the same security risks of visiting any website. They're not sending a full apk/ipa app as an attachment, it's just a frame that displays a website that looks like an app
Beezer is just a shortcut to a mobile website without a full browser experience. (and you can make that website via beezer) They are bypassing the iOS/Play store because they aren't actually native apps..
Hydrium Etern last i checked, at least for iOS you need to go into your settings and disable some safety feature. Most people won’t do that for an app that will need sensitive info like the bank app they mentioned.
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The way he rejected Tej was ruthless...bloody hell. I actually felt bad for Tej
I think Deborah was strongly considering pulling out at that point
I loved it
business is akways ruthless, no mercy , i liked their approach
I hear there's gonna be a racial discrimination case over it.
The words ‘taste’ and ‘medicine’ come to mind
I felt bad for Tej, he's always a fair, decent, classy guy...
Yh that's so peak. The way the prick did it to him aswell
@@gpk3003 chill out lmao
Why don’t you make a deal with him if you fancy Taj so much
@@Bulskee What half-assed comment is that?
WHat the bad rep abt Taj?
Guest: “ Hi, my name is Out”
Jenny: “ no I’m out”
Guest: “ no, you’re Jenny”
Jenny: “...and for that reason, I’m out”
You're
Not a bad try....and, in fact,........quite amusing.
@CharlesChonk you're
@CharlesChonk u're
Yor'e
Jenny doesn’t have any money. She’s just got nectar points.
And for that reason, I'm out
3 million nectar points for 0.00000000000000000000001%
Adam P she’s so annoying
I howled at this comment hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jenny's husband: Hunny are you home?
Jenny: I'm out
*jenny invests*
*original entrepreneur sells their share of the business*
Be realistic as if that thing has a husband
lol
@@goonseb6456 I googled; she does and has kids as well. However, she's not a person that someone would ever call "honey".
Hahahaha 😂😂😂😂
Jenny only appears for the free glass of water.
because she's secretly broke
Fax
@@ZachAsaD She's broke. Google it.
DJ Frost A glass of water is free anyway.
@@cookieking1996 You need to pay for the water to be filtered. Its not free.
Tej: 5%
Jenny: 2%
Debry: -4.5%
Peter: 40% and your Wife's Ass
Guest: Peter we have a deal!
Lol
Purushottam Hari it’s because Peter is a bigger and smarter dragon.
hahhahahha
Don't call her "Debry."
@@magnusward9672 bigger but not nesscarily smarter he turned down businesses which turned out to be huge such as Tangle Teaser and Destination London
Tej seems like a really down to earth person. These guys put him down and rejected him right away ... Yet when a deal was achieved he clapped for them.
cry me a river lmao, these guys are all wolves
Tej is a decent fella
Met Tej he’s actually really down to earth and a decent guy
Jenny never makes an offer ever why is she even a dragon
Because she has massive tits
she does, and when she does, she shares the offer with another dragon. she won multiple businesses
Is she the Barbara of Shark Tank?
STFU
U UGLYFUCK
Because she uses her head for thinking, unlike a man who often listens to the little head
guests: "hi, I'm..."
Jenny: "...Out".
ahahah...she finished the sentence
Adam H DEAD
Adam H Jenny’s an idiot & waste of time, waste of Dragon space!!!
Guest: "H-"
Jenny "Im out"
@@rippawallet bell dings on the lift to announce arrival of guest
Jenny: "I'm out"
Director: aaaaaaand action!
Jenny: and for that reason I’m out
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Masindi 😂👌
Scodell
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is the best "im out" comment ive seen so far. Nice one 👍👍
Jenny was finally on the verge of making an offer, but when the guy mentioned the bet he had, spite got the better of her and she spoke her 2 favorite words.
3 words :)
nope 2 words : 1 I'm 2 out.
I have barely seen her make an offer. I wonder why she is even on the show. I like Touker throwing in several generous offers, but entrepreneurs prefer to stick to where the money is, with Peter or Deborah.
Jenny=Barbara😂
She won her bet not to invest this episode 😂
Person: if anyone is willing to go down to 5% I'll accept today
Tej: Ok, I'll do that deal
Person: No thanks I don't want that offer
Yeah it was pretty rude.
Because of peters stake lol.
@Kasar Daily Vlogs for you Where does it say that?
@Kasar Daily Vlogs for you No it never.
Kasar Daily Vlogs for you it actually done really well mate
Tej got properly destroyed like nothing else in the entire series!!
Offers 8% for all the money :Rejected
Offers 8% then dropping down to 5% after money back: Rejected
Offers 5% exactly the percentage entrepreneurs wanted: Rejected
*Drinks water to stay relevant.
Lol I feel sorry for him
How he should have handled it
Tej "Oh right well I'm a millionare your not fuck off"
I do feel sorry for him but Debara and Peter shit all over them. Don't know why Duncan don't come back he would get the same
Jay Richardson Tej is richer than Deborah
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Guests: We have a cool product!
Jenny: I dont like products and for that reason, I am out!
Levi more like;
Guests: I’m looking for investment.
Jenny: I don’t invest, and for that reason I’m out.
i dont understand why you would invest in this product. you only have to pay a one time fee of 25$ to android to publish your apps. why go through the extra shady path of bypass the app store just to save 25 $
This is not a cool product at all, they just had a good presentation.
It's investor bait. "I don't understand big data but it could be a revenue source in the future"-type statements in a pitch kindof give it away.
It's basically a marketing service that puts app icons on your phone that lead to web sites. ( in this case, Single Page WebApps )
Your grandmother would use that, not you.
Then again, it's not really asking for an awful lot of money.
@@MrLiquidxIce It's 30% fees from Google Play afterwads, but the big thing here is that it's a side channel for convenience rather than rule breaking.
Also google has restrictions on apps that are themselves marketplace apps, and has a variety of restriction on things like explicit content.
@@SiriusXification Anything goes into the Play Store, they have almost no Quality Assurance in place. Unlike the App Store.
Still, this Beezer thing is a pretty stupid product with no future, actually.
They are such great negotiators, they sold 5-10% more of their company than they had to and insulted most of the others.
Works every time😎
"If anyone drops to 5% we have a deal"
"ok I'll drop to 5%"
*declines deal*
Yeah like wtf?! EVERY other time the Dragons get that attitude about favouring which dragon some upstart wants or how they told Taj and Touka for sod off they'd be pushed down that lift shaft. These guys were VERY lucky they had something Debra and Peter really wanted.
racisttttt
simply superman69 it's called being Scottish 😂😂😂
MrWeeRhys keep virtue signalling
They have a very promising business, and giving away 5% of it to someone with little expertise in that field for a relatively small amount of money wasn't something they were willing to do. They came with a clear goal in mind: get a dragon that can help in the business. They don't need the money, they need the connections.
What a disrespectful thing to do to Tej
It's business. Nobody cares about feelings.
Sort of, but not really. Clever tactic actually, because they only had all 5 in mind, and as a backup, 2 specific dragons. Tej was not one of them. By blowing down his offer, it showed two things, that they were serious about their business, and that they we're going to stand firm on their negotiation. Of course Peter called the bluff in the end, it put a lot of pressure on the two dragons they wanted, and it could have just as easily went in their favor. If it were anyone else, the investor would have most likely budged as to not lose out on such a big opportunity. Peter has been playing the game for a very long time though, so he made a calculated decision, and it was the right one.
@@DennGreenIII Peter knew from the start when they said "we're looking for 2 specific dragons" that he was one of them, the guy is specialized in this industry.. For that reason he could put the stake high and still get a deal. He's very experienced and clever.
dont worry, he got a couple millions to whipe his tears when he is crying in his lamborghini on the way home.
I don't think it was disrespectful at all, it was respectful. No pity, no name calling, mocks, etc
Tej: literally gives an offer they wanted
Guest: Tej, I'm gonna decline your offer
I know it was so rude. I know he wanted Peter but he didn't have to be a dick about it
It was a psychological tactic
By declining tej he just reassured peter they didn't just want the money but his help too and that made him stick
AHMED that’s exactly right
Yes it was just stupid and amateur time
It was rude how he negotiated Tej down to 5% then rejected him, that was low.
I agree with you there, Roni. For a businessman Tej has the strangest personality; like an understanding and empathic marriage guidance counsellor. A great guy without a shred of narcissism or aggression. Perhaps that's why he's the second richest Dragon in the den.
Exactly that was disgusting
The dragons ask for ridiculous equity to steal away people's businesses, Peter asked for 15% because knows they'd want him... how is that not the same
Not really. He has a great business and tej wanted a piece of the pie. He made a mistake by saying will any dragons go down to 5%, but he actually only meant peter or deborah. Then tej got horny when he mentioned 18 million nett worth by end of the year and jumped in.
People think the business world is some
Sort of candy land with gum drops and teddy bears. The business world is more like a dog fighting pit.
For every business added to peters portfolio he gains a cm in height
xamurai00 underrated comment
LMAO
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shouldn’t Jennny be a dwarf then?
@@mattg8600 LMAO
Jenny: “your pitch has interrupted this sketch I’m drawing on my pad, and for that reason, I’m out.”
B33fJ3rk33 I’ve just read that in her voice 😂 gg
Al Bino k
😂
Peters always so ballsy they’re all undercutting each other going down in percentages he just doubles all their equity requests 🤣🤣🤣
he's a beast! And very classy as well.
The man knows what he's worth, he's worth much more than most of the sharks so is actually entitled to request more equity.
Maybe it's because he isn't the lowest offer a firm at being slightly higher. If you are looking for house work and go for the lowest bid, chances are it will be a cheap job. Which may not be true about the dragons but maybe that subconciously is taken into account. They dont feel like they are getting a bad deal because they are willing to give up a little more for a little bit better of a job. Which may or may not be true.
2nd guess is that in sales you want to give off the vibe of success. If you pull up to a meeting in a broken down 1990 rust bucket, you will have a worse chance then if you pulled up in a lambo. How people perceive you also matters.
Cuz he knows that he's the one everyone wants.
Peter's a smart guy. The entrepreneurs had already revealed they were there for two dragons, although at that point they hadn't disclosed which ones. Now Peter was either going to be among those two or not. If he wasn't, there was no point making a comparable offer as the entrepreneurs would always choose the dragon they wanted. And if he was, that means he could ask for more equity. Plus, he must've suspected he was the dragon they wanted given his background. It was a safe bet, really
Peter’s their perfect investor. So perfectly connected to the tech world that he has to ask what Wix is Lmao 😂
To be fair I thought it was a hardware store. I'm lysdexic tho
@@ophiolatreia93 Thats Wickes you're thinking of brother. Pronounced the same way, hence the confusion.
It was for the viewers
how venture capitalism works
His question went waaaay over your head it seems!
Richard Branson: Hello Dragons
Jenny: Let me stop you there, I'm out
This comment section is full of Jenny, and for that reason, I'm out
your comment mentions Jenny,
for that reason I'm out
Lol
Very funny!
great comment
Only came to look for Jenny comments lol
Jenny popped out of the womb and said
IM OUT
Lmao
Absolute Belter
In out shake it all about
Cooked
Tej: “I’ll give you my entire net worth, for 1%”
Peter: “I’ll buy you a drink, in exchange for your entire company and the adoption paperwork for your children”
Business owner: “Peter all the way!”
555
Tej is richer than touka jenny and Deborah put together
Matt Edmunds but if he doesn’t have the expertise with the product means zilch
Caleb Israel what expertise?
man like jurgen and pickford
Tej Lalvani is an amazing businessman no doubt but unfortunately it's just not that simple. They'll make more money with Peter Jones owning 15% than they would Tej's 5% purely off contacts alone.
@@cashewpistachio1826 well his parents,coming from a foreign land, worked hard and achieved to create a brand name worth millions Which requires lot of brains and balls to achieve this kinda feat , establish themselves as one of the richest in the country unlike yours who produced a waste product like you, who talks smack about entrepreneurs and is so ashamed of his own name , comes up with the names of two great Presidents.🤦♂️
That sounds like a great way to spread malware.
Nevexo i agreeee
Took some scrolling (because of all the Jenny jokes) but finally found someone else who thought the same
@@wushuallan And for that reason...
I'm torn because, there's freedom in it too. But of course if you have no idea what you're installing then yeah, it's a one way trip to malware city.
A rating system could give warnings but that would only do so much.
Actually, the more I think about it, even with app stores I'm pretty sure I've installed crap that's practically malware.
My first thought too.
So rude.
Tej: I’ll go from 10% to 8%, dropping to 5% in future
Them: only wanting to give away 5%. ANYBODY willing to do 5%?
Tej: fine I’ll do 5%
Them: ok. I reject your offer
Peter shouldn’t have made a deal out of principle and stuck up for tej 😐
(But this is why I’m not a millionaire)
Yeah, giving up ethics is the first thing you do when getting in business
Agreed he was totally senseless there
@@shade5554 Ethis has nothing to do with respect. He totally disrespected the dragons. Especially Tej.
@@shade5554 Disagree with that, reputation is pretty important.
You make new enemies everyday!
It's called business!
This isn't, wasn't and won't be the last/only time Tej experienced getting mugged off!
I'm sure there have been many occasions been potential clients opted to open an account with Tej's competitors rather than with his company.
So despite the sucker-punch, Peter knows it wasn't Tej's first experience and knows it won't be the last.
Why did he waste Tej’s time like that?? What was the point??? I’m so confused. What an idiot. Got so cocky
Definitely he gave him the deal of his life but some guys prefer some certain names
What a disrespectful tosser he was to tej, I hope he has no luck in business. One day he may have to ask tej for a job,, stacking shelves with vitamins and health foods......tej is only worth few hundred million dollars,, hope he gets over losing out on this deal,,😀😆🤣😂
I'm not a businessman in any capacity, but I saw it as a matter of showing intent, his objective was to show how set he was into getting either deborah or peter
By getting Tej to come forward with his offer at the guest terms, he reassured that the valuation was a good deal.
Peter and Deborah was asking for more, by refusing Tej who is a credible Dragon, the guest takes a stand that they are there for the opportunities the Peter and Deborah have. It was his way to negotiate their terms. They were now pressured to go lower or leave the deal.
It was a ballsy move, we all could feel it. The rejection towards Tej indirectly became an insult against all Dragons, rather than a confirmation of the business's value.
Peter's comment at the end confirms that this negotiation was one of his hardest, he was most likely debating with himself whether to go down or not.
@@accuriousgaming He should of left Taj in the running to pressure peter to come down. He should also have been explicit in saying he would like Peter and Debs to come up with a joint deal. He didnt leave them time to come up with that themslves... unless the vid was badly cut.
The Tough negotiation was from Peter, he got a deal at DOUBLE the equity Tej was knocked down to and the entrepreneur gave away a lot more than he wanted. Had he kept Tej in play, he would have got Peter lower. That was a good start but a poor finish and negotiations are about how you finish!
What if he low balled from the beginning and 10% was the max not 4% 🤔🤔
There was manipulation from both sides both trying to get involved at lowest risk to themselves. Peter didn't care about being alienated he just said that as leverage because the other guys were winning and out manipulating.
Yeah 100% with you on that
Just keep Tej on the game and Peter would of lowert he’s offer because he wanted it a piece of Beezer
The guys might of had a plan to give up to 10% but if they played the game properly they could of given less then 10%
@TIGERWOODSBOYFRIEND sales Brian is a sales man plain an simple, he went in with a goal Debra or Peter. He lost his way walking from 1-20 but still standing tall at 20
@TIGERWOODSBOYFRIEND that's a shame half of them don't
I'm out, and for that reason, I'm Jenny.
There is rampant racism even in the business world.
Hilarious!! So funny......**vomiting**
Don Corleone: "I'm gonna make her an offer she can't refuse."
Jenny: I'm out
Martin Turesson that made me chuckle
🤣😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
trust me at the top
Martin Turesson deserves more.
That was super disrespectful to Tej, only dragon willing to compromise but I wonder how Beezer app is doing ?
He inherited all his money, the other dragons have better business skills
They got successful
their website is down right now
@@MusicalMemeology lol
@@andersonaldo1340 doesn't matter as he is still making it a success. If he was useless the company would have collapsed so he still has good business acumen
Taj got disrespected
Yes i feel bad for him, the way he was looking at them after getting rejected
He even lowered to meet their offer and they still said no lmao. Savage
😁
@@TheBigKing0 not Savage, pretty stupid. I can make whatever they are making for 200€ per app lol.
Why didn't they accept Taj's offer?
Tej got destroyed. That guy didn’t deserve an offer from anyone for behaving like that
i'm lmao at that...
No User 123. Power move maybe, but there's a way of pulling that move off. He did not pull it off.
@Couch Gaming, he did pull it off - he walked away with the dragon he came in for. You need that kind of ruthlessness to succeed in business, Peter Jones knew that and that's why he still made him an offer.
You may be right. I still feel he could have handled it better. he didn't exactly look calm about it did he?
andrew charlton no he failed, he didn't get Peter down to 5% which was the goal of the whole thing
I haven't watched this show in about 5 years and I honestly thought Theo Pathetis had been in a traffic accident for a second.
Why?
I believe this is a sarcastic comment.. That isn't Theo Pathetis.
+minners71
How did you not get the joke!? They guy there looks like Theo, but messed up and overweight.
Howling
Very good
Love how Deborah is so complimentary to her fellow dragons especially when the entrepreneur was so rude to Tej and Touker
They were also rude to Peter after the show. They rejected his offer and went without Peter. They are sitting at 5 million valuation today in 2022 not even close to 18 million they thought they would cross in 2019
@@vikraal6974 how do you know they rejected Peter?
@@vikraal6974Hardly rude, it’s business. Peter has had his fair share of moments in the Den where he has been rude, and egotistical. During this pitch the entrepreneurs had total control and for the first time Peter was speechless and unsure of what to say.
It's not even an app. It's a shortcut on your homescreen that links to a mobile responsive webpage.
It's like a shortcut to open a mobile-friendly website.
I can't believe non of the dragons asked them about how they got to the ridiculous amount of money that they think their company is worth.
Poor Debra. She said it's Disruptive. She may have knowledge doing business but is not a tech expert.
They're called progressive web apps - google it.
And can you imagine how f*** off users will be when they realise companies are just pushing any random shyte onto their phones.
5:16 What's a Wix website..? From the technology specialist 🤣🤣🤣
These dragons are not intellectuals or great thinkers they are only interested in making money. Average Dragon IQ 110
A room full of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, with the possible exception of the quiet techy person who secretly knows what a complete bag of shite it all is.
Or perhaps he doesn't know - he is supposed to be the brain behind it!
They don't need to know, a good salesman is always in business.
Of course not not one knows what there talking about what bollocks
www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
I am usually that guy. I sit back, usually trying to hold my tongue. I wanna set myself loose.
isn't the point of the app store to safeguard quality of the app?
Have you seen the quality of some of the apps in the store there so bad and made by 10 year olds
some are, for sure, but that still means there is a degree of control. Can you imagine going straight to customer with no review? would apps be worse or better? I produce apps BTW. I wish there was a better system
Good luck guys. You can’t do that on an iPhone. All apps what to be approved by Apple.
it's a web application. So no, apple don't need to approve it.
Except you can it runs on your browser.
Jenny: I'm a species of fish that's closely related to salmon, and for that reason I'm trout.
I miss Duncan Bannatyne. Every investment he said "i'm oot" to went on to make fortunes.
The skirting board one was a classic.
I include Theo Pathitis in that as well.
Charlie McTruth And this would be good as it was a Scottish Glaswegian pitch 👐🏽👐🏽👐🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
If he'd been on this panel, I've no doubt he'd have told them "your valuation of your business is ridiculous".
dragons den is no way near as good without all the other people
Yes when he brought out the skirting board ladder that was a bi big hit
The way he rejected the other dragons was so rude ...
Myk Peñamora Lol, not at all.
Nah, he was using each against the other..
It's good way to cut them off!
Business isn’t about feelings my dude.
It's just business. Nothing personal.
wait ... did they just sell the ability to create a shortcut to a website lol
Balwinder Singh yeah basically 🔥£125k🔥
😂😂😂😂😂
Yup. That was embarrassing. Don't forget to use the big datas and the block chains to make everything amazing!
Oh they forgot to say crypto currency as well to go along with the block chains because that sounds impressive as well:>)
Wrong. I don't think you actually know what it is. It's just PWA, using manifest.json they're able to get the phone browser (chrome/safari) prompt the user to save the link to the homescreen of the phone. This has nothing to do with bypassing anything nor is it a way to deploy malware to your phone. It's simply a shortcut to a mobile friendly website.
Jenny: Everybody thinks this is a good idea, for that reason, I'm out.
I don't think she knows what an app is
He declined Tej too soon. Cards were in his hands until then to get that percentage right down.
Tastor the point was that having the offer from tej gave them leverage to get better offer from Peter
@Tastor Lmao calm down, no need for insults. Did his comment offend you or....?
"He declined Tej too soon."
that's just how it was edited, we don't really know how much of the negotiation was not shown
Beezer didn’t reach anywhere since this episode. Not to mention Google already offer this. The concept is also flawed since the “app” is in fact just a home screen shortcut to a mobile friendly website. Anyone investing in this is a fool.
when was the episode aired?
2 days ago lol
lol i thought this was an old episode
Apple does not allow any applications outside of the appstore period. iOS bypassing the appstore is breaching terms of use. Can't be done without hacking your phone or paying for a development toolkit with a monthly subscription.
Android does not allow any applications outside of the preinstalled appstores either by default. They do allow you to go to the settings and click through 10 warnings not to do it to allow a one-time install of an app that's not on one of the app stores. So you do that again for every app.
Why did this fail? Because their idea requires persuading the user to go to their user settings, under "advanced" go to "developer" and click "enable developer mode" and then "allow sideloading apps" and then confirming a few times that this opens you to viruses and is very unsafe each time someone wants to install an app outside the appstore.
Ze Spy Muffin Man You have got it wrong mate. It’s not an “app” which they were advertising. It’s a home screen shortcut widget which they sent to people. Once you click on the home screen widget, it takes you to a safari browser with a mobile friendly website which looks like an app but it’s not. You can do this yourself with any website now by clicking the share button (at bottom of Safari browser in middle), then clicking on “add to home screen”. Do you understand now?
that was the worst display of negotiations I have ever seen...
It wasn't. They actually knew they wanted Peter from the beginning.
With putting on the pressure like that, they tried to get Peter to negotiate for a lower percentage.
By using Tej as a bargaining chip, they tried to outplay Peter.
Couldnt have been that bad.
@@remirms2239Except they immediately rejected Tej.
An investment in knowledge pays the best interest."
How is the forex investment done.
Yes, fx and Stock investment, I heard it's very profitable
Did i hear someone say forex ?
Do you believe I invested £4,000 and got paid £51,070 in seven days?
That's not even all, that was my first profit when I started.
I am Jenny , I have no money , just here to waste your time , so i wish you success and I'm out
Her net worth is much more then Deborah
@@CelticG Thats because all of it is coming from her banking business, she doesnt like to take risks, I dont understand why she is in there. Unlike Deborah who got rich from family business and dragon den type deals
dont understand why you would invest in this product. you only have to pay a one time fee of 25$ to android to publish your apps. why go through the extra shady path of bypass the app store just to save 25 $
You might think I'm investing since everyone else is...no...I'm out.
Shes a seat filler
What the hell was that all about?!
"We need to protect our shareholder`s interests at 4 or 5%......so we`ll go for Peter`s 15-down-to-10%"
Leveraging the profits from big data at a reduced percentage of shares still enables larger profits than without big data and with more shares. At least, that's what I assume his logic was. Only time will tell for certain.
brinkmanship..
big part of most negotiation - altho much more usually - ruthlessly employed by the dragon's themselves..
9:23 guy on the left smiling intensely
_Narrator: Brian and Yuon are remaining poker faced_
"Yuon"
*Euan. Occasionally Ewan.
2018: "This might be the end of the App Store".
January 2020: Hmm where is Beezer?
can’t see Peter Jones on the list of current shareholders.
Would he invest in his own name? I'd of thought he'd do it through a venture capital firm he owns for tax purposes lol
500,000 of further investment in 2019 looking at the equity section of the balance sheet
He rejected peter’s offer after the show
That was so rude the way he rejected tej and the rest of the dragons. He didn't need to do it so rudely tbh
it's business, nothing personal
you're beautiful!!
When in Rome do NOT a Christian Be ! You HAVE to match fire with fire in Business. It's nothing personal and you need a strong disposition and resolution to always pick yourself up and get in there again until you,eventually, succeed....
lordsloan get a grip
Adrenaline does crazy things
None of them understanding a thing about what ‘big data’ is, just throwing buzzwords around the mix
Matt Barrie exactly they can’t just be analysing their customers data 😂😂
Matt Barrie Exactly. why is Peter considered a tech entrepreneur- this guy obviously doesn’t know anything about technology post 2001
Sinjin Smyth hahaha rate the sarcasm 👌
Fuck Big Data, Talk to me about humungous data
magnificent data we're talking about. The HBRI isn't really capable of handling Big Data lol! That's so 2001! Humongous data is laughable too as it does not sit well with the market's FYI expectations. I'd say we should look into Super-Duper Data that can move businesses up the ladder swiftly.
"Ok Dragons, let's try my quiz business. Name 2 body parts, but miss a letter from one word."
Jenny:
"Eye, Mout"
Lee S clever
Lee S 🤦🏼♀️
I’m angry with myself for chuckling :)
I did not expect that. Well played
Clever
The rejection of Tej's offer was ruthless. I felt bad for him 😔
Producers: leaving Jenny’s decision til last thinking it adds suspense
Jenny: I’m out
Me: :O
😂😂😂😂
Very bad negotiating skills.He had Taj willing to meet their offer and they still refused.They had the old lady at 6% and they refused.They had most of dragons at the start but we're clinching on to threads at the end.They sold 3 times the shares they originally planned.
Munir adam they only wanted Peter from the start because Peter has links to certain organisations and people
Someone could give me £50,000 for my business, but I won't just take it if that's all I'm getting, I need their expertise, their skills and their contacts, otherwise the money could be at risk of being wasted. So, it's not always about the money. You could see they didn't need the money from the figures they showed.
@@uzzie88 very true. Majority of the pitches are from people who need the money so viewers just assume everyone comes for money. These guys wanted contacts and the rocket fuel of a dragon behind them
Stop being silly OP! They went in offering 4% but were prepared to go to 6 maybe even 8% and 10% with Peter is a win win!
Agree with you and @uzzie88 The cash can be gone in a very short time, it's the contacts, supply chain, and the publicity from the link with Dragons Den. You never see an article about Levi Roots from Raggae Raggae Sauce without Dragons Den mentioned.
The first picosecond (10x-12) of cosmic time. There is the emergence in stages of the four known fundamental interactions or forces - first gravity, and later the strong, weak and electromagnetic interactions; and the expansion of space itself and supercooling of the still immensely hot universe due to cosmic inflation.
But before all that, Jenny is out.
john clough 😂😂😂 thanks mate ... made me Smile 😃
Wow you know GCSE level shit. Absolute genius
dygrt yggg that was far beyond gcse
That's deep and for that reason, in out
Lewis it’s on 72 now so can you like it again please 😂😉
The way they were acting toward the end of the negotiation, I'd have withdrawn any offer I had previously made. Guess that's why I'm not rich.
Dragons Den is a great marketing platform, even if they didn't get an offer it would have been a successful move
Deborah Meaden wrote a while back about the success of the people pitching. There is a lag between filming and when the programme goes out. She described once the programme goes out the oxygen of publicity means they don't need the dragons and better offers come in.
"big data" nice buzz word guy.
@@clubclick.online2057 food on you for preserving
you can copyright a hashtag? interesting...
Did you just use the term buzzword to sound smart? you know big data is the soil growing your digital fingerprint and your predictive behavior everytime you buy or search anything?
this thread is some matrix sh*t..
Stellar Fervour
That have nothing to do with the app who is destined to enterprise to design their own app and distribute to their already known customer...
Narrator: jenny Campbell is confused about why the euntrapenuers are in the den today
NO, jenny is confused about why she's in the den period
So they're leveraging Progressive Web Apps (PWA's) and make it seem like they're making native apps.
"Oh we're removing the App Stores from the pipeline" is such a convincing statement that makes you sound like you've gotten a breakthrough.
I can't believe Peter Jones, who mentioned Big Data, doesn't know how easy it is to make a PWA builder, and what WIX ultimately is.
These investors got played. Lol
It's a Pump and Dump operation IMO
You do realise they are allowed to check this stuff after the filming, better to make the offer then do due dilligence than not make it and miss out, less than 1 out of 3 offers actually complete off air
Exactly. If it were to be wordpress then that wouldve actually impressed me considering how many sites are made using wordpress. And even if they were to implement data extraction via their service, it still doesnt mean jack shit if no one is going to use it. And lets be honest, who opens a random download link anymore? Maybe if youre naive but I dont trust them for one bit unless they are apps like terrarium tv that are prohibited from the app store because they offer an illegal service. And even then, the chances of it being a faulty download is enormous.
What the hell was that talk about big data? "if you leverage the big data"...
Clueless on both sides tbh!
I'm also in tech sitting here think this is just sell PWA's to stupid companies.
Dragons are very delicate and sensitive. Do not mess with their feelings.
As someone who works in IT, the moment they said "bypass app store" and "Wix + weebly" It sent shivers down my spine.
Can you explain why? I'm genuinely interested as I cannot gauge whether you're point of view is positive or negative
@@TheFamousMileEnd the whole point of the app store is to "trust" what you are installing on your phone.
There's checks and virus scans that Google does on andriod. And apple does as well. To make sure the app your installing isn't stealing your data and sending it to someone else.
By bypassing the app store your removing these checks. And while they may put their own checks in place. It won't be as good of a job that the giant companies can do with their years of experience and millions of dollars behind them.
@@TheFamousMileEnd as for wix and Weebly. They are genuine business and used by legit people. However it's a way to make a fast free website that spammers and scammers take advantage of.
That one is more if a personal dislike then a security issue
@@pomtom44 Thanks for answering. Appreciste that
Finally someone who got this right
Nobody mentioning the fact that you would have to allow untrusted installs and quite rightly this raises red flags for most users or is simply out of their level of comfort. The appstore doesnt exist solely to skim from developers, it offers security to users. Crowdstrike has just shown the world the perils of circumventing development guardrails.
What a crap idea. I work in the consumer tech space and I have never heard anyone say “no one downloads my app”. I actually hear the opposite; people download the app but no one uses it. Not only that but companies hate making apps - having to rebuild their browser service in a mobile app that no one uses - huge waste of money - plus the company has to keep updating the app every time a new OS update comes out. The company will go bust very soon.
iPhone Email totally agree, the problem the ‘app’ purports to solve isn’t difficulty in downloading an app, it’s one of awareness which won’t be solved by having a link to a mobile
friendly website
Yeah but the dragons don’t think that. They may own tech businesses but don’t actually know how they all work.
I'm confused! Most people use the internet to buy things e.t.c on their mobiles so clearly a mobile app or a mobile friendly site is needed
Beezer is just a shortcut to a mobile website without a full browser experience. (and you can make that website via beezer)
Smoking Crop the original idea they pitched in the den has been dropped - it didn’t work. They have now shifted to become a Web App Builder - a Web App is hosted on the cloud and accessible via a browser unlike a mobile app which is downloaded to a device. Web apps are nothing new - you access web apps everyday. To avoid seeming like they completely abandoned the terrible original idea they simply offer a QR code for a bookmark to the web app in your browser. There is absolutely nothing unique about anything they do. There are other Web app building platforms, you can generate a QR code for free... all the other stuff they talk about is just marketing activity.
The editing on this programme is shocking. I'm dizzy from the chopping and changing shot literally every second
All editing gets worse every year because editing is done by people who spend their leisure time playing video games, so all their work ends up looking like a video game. This is true of everything from RUclips videos to the Hollywood big screen in Cinemas.
Looks like those American shows, I hate the editing style.
@@dreamdiction Have you ever played any video games? There's no editing in the visuals or constant camera cut aways while youre playing,what are you on about??
hahaha!
Yeah and the 'music'...
Theo has let himself go a little
I don't get it... y do ppl always say that
Ben Dover because the newer dragon looks like theo
haha I thought the same thing
@@360FAMOUZ360 which ones?
Touker Suleyman looks like Theo Paphitis
Taj: 1%
Touka :3%
Peter: 82% and Ill lower it to 100% after I get my money back.
Guest: peter we have a deal.
Oooooooooo look, Peter has stubble. Next he'll loosen his tie and unbutton his top button. Watch out, he's going rogue in his old age.
😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀💀 Lol
simon cowell is his idol
Lol, what a comment
Maaan Tej, even if i havent seen this part, hes my all time fauvorite, classy, intelligent, very good sense to great ideas. Shame
as role he’s a really great wholesome guy!
LOL is this a first? They told the dragons THEYRE out.
TheBigKing0 no. It’s not a first. But they are scam artists.
I don’t quite understand the product, and I’m a software dev who’s made mobile apps.
Firstly, you could already send links to your app via email/sms, etc as a way to distribute it. Yes it will still go through the app store, but I don’t understand how bypassing the app store helps your apps to get installed to more phones. If anything there’ll be an added security hesitancy to ask customers to sideload a random app from an SMS that doesn’t go through the App Store. What problem exactly does his product solve by doing that?
Secondly, how do they technically achieve this? On iOS the only way I know requires installing some sort of enterprise certificate on customers’ phones. I can’t see how that makes it easier for your customers to get your app. That’s an added friction, not to mention a level of trust that I wouldn’t be comfortable with giving them on my phone.
The way they describe Wix (“Breezer for websites”) makes me think it’s an app builder, rather than a revolutionary app distribution solution. You’ll still face the same problem re making people install your app.
I'm not a business guy nor a tech one, but I believe this guy accepted Peter's deal to save face, he made an emotional quick fire decision to close out other dragons. You never do that, even though you have a target, he could have used others to home in on his target. Went away with a deal he didn't want. Perhaps the nervousness in the den.
Peter Jones is the most connected and successful guy in there. I think that's likely the reason why.
@@jangray395 They didn’t go ahead with the deal, ultimately.
Anyone else frustrated that the dragons dont ask important questions about how the fact that theyre emailling apps to people, no iOS devices would be able to install the apps...
I am jenny, and for that reason I am out.
Brutal rejection for Tej and somewhat brutal for Touker as well!
Touker i don't want your offer
Touker: "i'm out"
No touker you didn't need to say youre out.... I reject you!
Jenny: i see way too much potential here, it doesn't excite me, and for that reason......... I'm OUT !!
Wow, Peter nearly lifted him up lol.
I like how he tried to act ballsy but then ended up trading at the worst valuation. He came to be validated at £3.75m, got told it was worth £1m. Lol
I can't say I would personally invest in this. The way many 3rd party apps or app stores work is by asking you to allow unsigned apps to be installed via your device's settings menu. This opens your phone up to a multitude of risks if you're not carefully aware of everything you download. Not a lot of people are going to trust that.
Jenny is sitting there thinking 125k .. well I've got bills to pay and the kids needs to be in school.. well I can't afford it
Jenny: why wouldn't I be in because I'm out.
"Hello, my name is Bill and I've got an operating system that will be pre-installed on 99% of computers and I'm asking for £100,000 for 1% of my soon to be trillion dollar company."
Jenny: "I'm out"
I don't get out of bed for 1% and for that reason I'm Touker
Jenny: why wouldn't I make an offer? Here's why, I'm out.
Beezer. Awful apps, awful idea, horribly implemented. Pointless. The dragons don't seem to have a bloody clue. And the Wix platform is horrendous. 99% of their sites lay dormant.
Their web apps are very limited in capability also.
Isn't wix just for school projects? 😂😂😂
Wow 💓 thanks. Watching this 3 months since you did Its quite thrilling. But so great to have your grounding knowledge that put things into perspective. Love the Den. Cheers, 🥂
Don't know about Beezer but as a person with almost zero website design knowledge wix has significantly boosted my business. I use a wix website and I couldn't be happier
Literally this is just such a waste of money
13:35 he didn't have to say he was out they already declined him lmao
Actually when you say you're out they CAN'T come back to you and say actually we'll accept your offer (as a last resort bid)
The app store exists as a safety measure. If you are just sending messages to people with links to download unverified applications, no one with the slightest hint of common sense will open it because thats the primary way how malware gets spread on phones. App stores filter out dangerous apps and your million dollar idea is bypassing a safety measure. Genius. Instead you can just send the massage with name of the app you want to promote, sure, but people arent too happy about receiving advertisements on their phones anyhow. And if you plan to create a new platform to download apps, how is that different from the app stores except being less safe with far fewer products to choose from? Its just a worse app store, probably cluttered with ads to generate revenue.
Anyone investing in this is a fool. Its a nonsensical idea. Any moron can make an "app" that simply opens a website with downloadable files in just about 5 minutes.
You're not really downloading anything. They're company produces Web apps and then sends you a link so you can add that link to homescreen. They are PWAs which are just websites that can cache offline and send notifications
The answer, my friend, lies in big data. LOL.. pretty sure nobody in the den had any idea about this. Peter flipped in the word as a negotiation tactic to get the duo to agree to his proposal. Besides once someone marks the email message with the link as spam, then others on the web are likely to get a "potential spam" message as well based on trend. This looks like a money sucking investment with no significant returns in the long run. The playstore teams would want similar products on their tool since they are technically losing money otherwise earned had it been on their playstore.
Agree this is no App Store just a link to a mobile site which people have been creating for the past 10 years, this is truly BS@@FaintImpression
I think you're missing the opportunity in big data here mate
I agree with Roland, that was pretty much what I was going to post after watching the video. If the links dont install the app as some people in the comments have said, then all you are really doing is setting up an alternative app store. What is to stop the existing app stores just adding link support? This is just a glammed up way of installing apps manually, which users can do already (at their own risk)
But what do i know, people seem happy to use touch and pay and online banking whilst connected to public wifi. It will probably be a big hit
This is a major security flaw: "you can just send a link to a friend and they will download the app". If you click on certain links they can steal your accounts like banks or other important accounts, I wouldn't trust everything I seen on this website even though its trusted.
BANDI this causes huge security issue for mobile users.
This was my first thought too, but really what they've done is made a Wix for apps, which means that any "app" that could be sent through their platform will be built on their platform. I think by "apps" they mean progressive web apps, which pretty much has the same security risks of visiting any website. They're not sending a full apk/ipa app as an attachment, it's just a frame that displays a website that looks like an app
@@JSK1993 true, but anything can be stolen on the internet, thank you for the reply though 👍
Hahaha I almost watched 50 episodes and haven‘t seen Jennifer offering an investment once 😂
The show isn’t really about investment. The pitchers are the product. It’s cheap telly.
Wow that was intense, really intense. Well not really intense, but pretty intense.
I use this Jackass quote in my day to day life and nobody ever gets it. Marry me.
TJ Jesson I get you TJ, I get you.
Jackass
Chris is my favourite
they were in tents?
your're never going to be able to bypass the ios or play store
Beezer is just a shortcut to a mobile website without a full browser experience. (and you can make that website via beezer)
They are bypassing the iOS/Play store because they aren't actually native apps..
They just did
lol @@dnbmania
What? It's stupidly easy to bypass the store, all you need is the APK file and to install it. No app store required at all.
Hydrium Etern last i checked, at least for iOS you need to go into your settings and disable some safety feature. Most people won’t do that for an app that will need sensitive info like the bank app they mentioned.
Touker saying he’s out after being rejected is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣 they didn’t want you in the first place.
Your schadenfreude is unbecoming.
Let’s hope no-one ever laughs at you being rejected, eh? 🤔
This is not going to end well.
Or start well😂