This applies to every job and profession. Humans werent created to do robotic repetitive stuff. If they do for a long period of time is because of lack of choice or because they are the sole breadwinner
Probably the best way to phrase it. Humans aren't meant to sit behind a computer all day either. Sometimes I enjoy it, when I'm interested in solving a puzzle. But if you really don't care it sucks. I at least get a lot of freedom in my job so I can mix things up enough that I don't care too bored.
As one who have had all kind of jobs, I can tell you there is a big benefit when having these kind of work and that is that when you are at work, you just do something. You don't have to think for a second what you are doing and when you are off, there is absolutly no chance of you suddently starts thinking of work that need to be done. That is not a luxury we have as software developers.
@@ErnaSolbergXXX I have worked in both kinds of jobs where I must have used brain and also didnt need to and i can tell you it is much bigger pain when ur mind is bored because it has nothing to do. Its just empty eternality and time goes very slow. Yea if you can listen to music or something then it is filled but in many jobs its not allowed. So even if u are a bit stressed and you must think, it is much better because ur mind is always focused on something and not realizing time. Working in manuall jobs where you dont need use brain feels like starring at wall for 8 hours with 0 brain stimulation just try it
IT is by far the most stressful worst work environments I have been in. Ive done fast food, customer support, tech support, call centers, factory jobs. IT without a doubt is the most stressful and mental health draining jobs ive ever had. I have 12 years in the field
I actually dig the work but turnaround times are often a crunch/unreasonable, making me submit solutions I'm not happy with. Now that AI is a thing management think it makes everyone a 10x dev which is miles from reality.
Dev job can be exciting if the team you are working with is paid enough and the product you are developing is nice. But the reality is that most of the times you are underpaid and the projects you work on are trash which leads to toxic working environment. That's just the mental side of it, if you add the sitting all day which ruins your health in so many ways you can guess why people give up :)
Dorian, are you freaking serious?! I work in a call center and get paid $40k year to get yelled at by customers and talked down to by managers. Your situation could be way, way worse..
I enjoy my job and enjoy coding as a career. It is a shame some people get into software engineering and don't like it, but it can be like that in basically any profession. Also ask good questions in the interview and you can filter out those jobs that are not a good fit.
Coding is definitely a great way to produce income and it can become robotic. But if you are invested in the improvement of your team and the goal you are trying toneeach for your company, it should start to show if your company appreciates good work and good people. They will feel a sense of relief when you are on their team or project. They will tend to gradually become friends with you as your skills, dedication and reliability are refreshing to be around with. If you stay true, the results should seep through and recognition be had but only if that work environment truly promotes a healthy work culture
People get into this industry, follow the path of pure greed and wonder why they start hating their job. Yes, you will make a lot of money working for a fucking Bank but yes, it will suck and be boring. I don't know what people expect, really. I've often turned down higher paid jobs and the one I have right now isn't the highest paid by all means but is so insanely cool, I'm glad to be a developer everyday.
I think what you’re talking about comes with every job man. I was in construction and it’s the same thing. Truth is that’s how society is and unless you decide to work on a side project to eventually go into your own biz, that’s how it’s gonna be no matter what job one has, and even when one starts their own biz that comes with its own set of problems.
nah not every job. Field of work truly depends. there are more jobs out there than just the meta. it's just people chase what they think is good and then get stressed out. Natural response to most jobs that are meta
I'm tired of this kinds of videos ,WORK AS A GARBAGE COLLECTOR ,OR IN CONSTRUCTION OR KITCHEN AS A CHEF OR KITCHEN PORTER OR AS A JANITOR OR STREET SWEEPER OR ANY OTHER BLUE COLLAR JOBS IF YOU ARE TIRED OF BEING A A PROGRAMMER THEN LATER MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT AND TELL ME IF YIU STILL HATE TO BE A PROGRAMMER LOL😅
As senior a developer I really dislike the whole corporate management BS. I mean I detest that crap, like I despise it, I loathe it with passion, I hate it folks. Stupid dumb a** managers and VPs making egotistical decisions that solve no problem requesting convoluted features with unrealistic expectations and the deaf ears to the issues you arise in order to be productive... honestly folks I've even thought of going to do some valet parking, that's how fed up I've gotten, lmao! And I remember I wanted so bad to be a programmer, the toxic environment and the BS removed the joy out of it. Now growing my side hustle to replace my income and do my own thing. Thank God for my wife/kids my motorcycle and my bass!
Next reason is that we are doing job for someone else and don't have any personal interest in that job. But my focus and brain clarity go through the roof when I'm working on my side project, even without the possibility of monetization, lol
I've heavily thought on both opening a coffee shop and starting a farm/ranch. I think you're right, boredom and burnout play deeply into these thoughts. I'm bored out of my mind and mostly not challenged but, I make close to 200k, I work from home, and I enjoy lots of vacation time. It's not perfect but, I will muscle through all of my complaints because it affords me a lifestyle and a portfolio that will give me the opportunity to retire almost 2 decades before the official retirement age. Most people don't like their job, at least I can not like it while not commuting in to an office.
I'm pretty happy with my work from home software job but it's mostly theoretical test driven development. Non automated testing of code seems such a nightmare and I've observed it accounts for most of burnout.
You got me at "starting woodworking". Man your whole outlook on software engineering as a career is so accurate. As a programmer with 8+ years of experience, your assessments are so accurate. You helped me understand why I feel like I feel from this industry. Thank you!
Another point you have missed is that the tech is just a means to an end If we could use gummy bears and fruit loops, we would It’s still work and a job to make someone else’s life easier I find it strange you didny understand this from the jump No one tells people this anymore?
I think another factor is also that many devs don't have anything to compare their job to. Like if you've been working as a dev since you left school, that's likely going to be the only full-time job or industry you've ever known. I just got my first tech job a few months ago and my coworkers are pretty great but they're often going on about how tired and stressed they are, while I'd been making peanuts for most of my adult life and recently transitioned out of a 52 hour a week job (that also paid peanuts). For me I'm just happy to be there, finally able to do intellectually stimulating work, even if it is for a paltry junior salary (which is the most money I've ever earned up to this point at any job). I get that every lifestyle has it's stresses and maybe I'll get tired of this stuff too one day but when I think of my life before tech it's hard to imagine.
Same bro. WFH/developer money after landscaping in 100 degree heat and working in retail with dinguses before I finally got a job like this after having shit jobs in my 20s
i dont hate my job ... its actualy quite a good job.. the only thing i hate is when certain high level staff try to give me tasks that are away from programming. The problem with dev is it takes a certain amount of time to solve a problem.. and if they're pushing for job done in x-time.. and it takes x-time + more ... then that can be difficult. We're working with things that dont always work... and problem that takes time to solve.
The farming dream thing is so weird, people’s perception is that it’s the easy life, which is completely false, it’s hard graft, which a lot of developer types have never really done and would find super tough, the margins are super tight as well, which causes a lot of stress. It’s also just as repetitive as any other job most of the time.
You're content is more of a personal vlog of internal struggles. We all have those and I hope you find what you are looking for, but this is getting old.
Haha I have worked in a call centre in 2013 yes I hated it but on reflection it was incredibly easy, just read a script and handle one call at a time and when the day is done it’s done, I got £27k for working there, I’ve worked as a developer for 5 years now, I got £35k which is the average for that role in the uk apparently… it’s literally a hundred times more complicated if not more, I implement test and then have to support what is now hundreds of projects across about a hundred different systems, go to boe inflation calculator put in £27k from 2013 -> today, it’s £36k , so I was better paid in the call centre
Currently I am in line to be promoted to a manager/head of department of tech and development for a small medical company I work at. While I do think that coding is fun and I will be sad that I won't do it at all, I find it as another challenging experience to conquer in life and that it will add more tools to my tool belt. I also think that if I am bored it is better than being completely unhappy and not wanting to go to work every day, because at the end of the work day I go home and continue my expensive hobbies of cars, motorcycles, electronics, video games, etc. If I ever do get fully burnt out though then I think I would either go get a masters degree or possibly just 180 my career and go into a trade job like electrician but still program to keep my skills up to date in case I ever want to go back.
I find it hard to think that developers are underpaid. They are one of the highest paid industries which is why a lot of people want to become developers.
They're not real programmers, they are boot camp or RUclips video graduates who got into this job because of the recent boom in IT and high salaries and ease of work remotely..., but the actual job is very boring and in some instances very mentally demanding, something similar to Math ... which most of these so-called "programmers" hated it during high school.
Do you really need click bait titles? These will get you a few more clicks on the short term, but disgrace your reputation eventually. Having said this, it is not false not only that every programmer hates his job, but even that most programmers hate their jobs. First, you have to understand, if you surprisingly could not do it already, what a job is. A job is precisely something you do not because you like it but because you need that money that it brings you. Otherwise you would not would not be paid for it. Then sure you can like what you do at your job to a certain degree but only a super tiny minority of people will like 100% or even 70% of their job to the point that they will do exactly the same if they did not have to do it. Then there is the thing that most people love to whine and complain about their job, independently of how good or bad it is... Then there is the fact that programming is a very varied activity, what you do in one shop might be completely different from another shop. Most jobs are not like this, Then there is the fact that we programmers are usually a curious bunch that hates routine, so you will see many programmers not quitting but changing their jobs, because we like novelty and as you correctly said, we are at our happiest when we feel we are growing and learning something new. As for the transition to management, it is usually something that is actively pursued by developer, because as they get older they don' t have the focus and energy required for long session of coding.. and because they realise that managing is usually easier then doing, and with age they also got more family responsibilities and become less interested in tech work and growth. Finally, those that transition to RUclips are principally two types: those who do tech content, usually they realised that they might have a shot at a gigantic audience, a self managed job and quite a lot of money... and those who just talk about "developer issues" which are generally lazy, narcissistic people who are seeking for attention and realised that talking about BS in front of a camera is easier than solving real problem coding.
I'm getting sick of this attitude of entitlement developers have. Especially self-taught ones. Nobody owes you shit. Quit bitching about your very well paid job that you got without having to go to college, unlike most careers out there.
This is a clickbait title and image. It worked...but I don't like it. It devalues your message. You can say the same thing without the sensationalism. I like my job. Work in general gets old if you don't feel engaged...it's on you.
ya, it's just attrition. normal cycle of weeding people out who like or hates to code. Once they are in deep coding, they will know if it's for them or not.
This video is very negative, 2 things: The title should be "Why SOME Programmers HATE Their Job" Should be another video "Why Some Programmers LOVE Their Job" - because there are a lot of reasons this is a great, interesting, challenging, healthy career for many people, its not all clouds and rain.
Every job is like this. I just want to work in the one with the most pay so I can invest and eventually start a farm, or a business of my own. Granted i had very shitty tech jobs but I would still work there over retail, fast food, warehouse/production, shipping, call center, or Amazon. I’m still in the honeymoon phase of my new tech related job , and while I do know it will eventually wear off the thoughts of going to any of those jobs above keeps me motivated to stay with the one I’m at, especially since I was unemployed for a year prior to this job.
As a christian the thing that cause me joy and excitement in life is taking people to christ and watching them grow into sanctity and watch God bless their life thats what fulfills my life a BORING JOB LIKE PROGRAMMING IS AWESOME BECAUSE ITS A JOB TO ME WHERE I GET TO CREATE STUFF I DONT try and find meaning in my work I find that in JEsus Christ... your job is not gonna fulfill you neither is money or women JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Finally got my dream job as a developer. After 2 years I just quite because of politics. Im not into politics but i was labeld as a toxic masculine. white supremacists because i went to the gym and my first language was Afrikaans. I actually loved my job. I got physically intimidated multiple times. My car also got damaged. I gave it all i have but i just had enough. I worked so hard on learning and developing systems... Now it was all for nothing.
Programming is boring because it is a terrible experience, which involves very few senses. It is like writing a book, every script is an article, every app is a book. How many books a writer can write, how many articles, without burning out. Then you watch too much tv and ytube. After that you do not feel like going back to programming coz it is not video and music, it is just text ... and you already high on dopamine. Do you feel like going to work after having sex? It is better to work before it ;).
I started a skate company, 🎉 this video is on point. I’m still working my job until my company makes it off the ground but if it doesn’t, I’ll start buying chickens.
You probably felt the same way at your previous job which made you want to transition into tech. The specific reasons might be different but the results of these reasons are the Same. Jobs aren't supposed to be fun i think. That whole 'do what you love and not work a day' is Bs. You wakeup, work to earn food and a place to crash and clothes and a few luxuries and sleep and repeat tomorrow. I bet Elon sometimes doesn't enjoy his job whatever it is. I bet hookers don't always enjoy their job. Pro esports athletes get bored too. Working is not always meant to be enjoyed. You must suffer lol. You'll buy that farm and eventually you'll get bored of shovelling shit and want to get xpllre a new life as a mushroom. If you are in the worker class you simply have to do what you must
I understand the part about dealing with bad working environments and management, but not the part about being bored of the routine and predictability. Isn't that pretty much a complaint you can level at most jobs? Could it be possible that many people that end up feeling that way never really did it out of a passion for the programming and technology, but more because it promised to be a financially rewarding career option? At least with software development being a creative and constructive discipline, you can look for different opportunities and challenges. That's not as true for many other careers you could pursue.
Grear vid. Definitely feeling the... "doing something that is anything but what I like doing and went to school for.." so much so that I'm considering a total career shift after 16 years 😂.
100%, you end up not doing the thing you went into the job for in the first place. this is not only to do with programming but other tech related jobs too. its saps all enjoyment out of the job when its nothing but meetings and emails or you work on the same project for way too long and nothing changes. same thing over and over again
What I hate the most (beside poor management) is crappy software. I wouldn't mind if libraries well well-kept but it seems 80% of software out there is total crap
I've been a busboy and i've been unemployed. I have done digital art for peanuts, i stood out in the street giving out pamphlets, i worked in retail for years to my body's detriment and now i work in a high pressure office job with crazy hours. So don't worry: I can handle the dev job. 😎
You are talking about senior developers because they have more experience than juniors so they help out with the hiring and meetings. Junior developers do a lot of the coding.
In my first job there was a couple senior devs (20+ YOE) who I would sometimes glance over at (open office) and i distinctively remember that more often than not they'd look completely zombie-esque. Just no morale left, all signs of spirit in their eyes vanished. They'd also yawn a lot and look at the roof when we hat all-hands with information that could be an e-mail. Like they just radiated "Why god why do I have to do this all day long"... The juniors on the other hand would typically look deep in thought and extremely focused.
lol.... the vicious cycle of workers. Nothing exciting about an all hands meeting. I only enjoy it cuz it's an hour or 2 time off to sit there and do nothing.
Let's be honest - the problem is the people that do not contribute shit to the product except make you be present in useless meetings - those who move shit in Jira from left to right, you know them.. Other than that we programmers are here for the pay check because otherwise with no money we are screwed. Nobody with rich parents and some charisma has a genuine desire for CS. We just have to do it because other jobs pay nothing. Everyone wants to be a movie/rock/pop star. Nobody wants to be the geek and the techy weirdo. Software industry could be still running very well without PMs, HRs and QAs lol we all know all of these things but we do not bother to say it out loud cause we don't care anymore
Not true I actually love it . What I do not like is the amount of work I put in . On and off for the small pay. And the pressure. It makes me think meh not worth it. So I am trying to start my company in my mother basement :D Yeah at 40 yr and I dont care what people say.
Also, i think hating your job and getting bored of it are 2 different things. You probably hated your previous job so much so that you got out of it whereas while you might get bored of your driving velioer job, you'd still tolerate it. The guy you mentioned that bought a farm probably hated his job
So most software developers, are under pressured,overrated and etc in the work environment. So the solution is to too? Create a proper lifestyle by organizing your schedules Have hobbies that you are fond of But if software developers job does not satisfy, try something you want to do😊!
health, life events, crime has siphoned a lot of my funds but had it not I'd absolutely be retired to the farm by now. But a real farm not like the one for pets. Death marches, fighting against exploitation, and antisocial leadership has become unbearable. And not to point fingers, there has been a lot of run-ins with the younger half of gen z not doing their job and not cooperating with older employees. I support work life balance but would have wanted expectations to be managed better with some semblance of a cooperative spirit. Also subtle racism from non-american culture in the office is interesting to watch but not entirely ok to work with. I don't hate my job. It's a job. Just wish American culture had more work/life balance so you can be fulfilled the normal way, through life, outside of the machine.
Nah man I don’t hate my job, just the ppl I work with lol
thank you 😂
the work ethic in particular
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Almost every job lol
Yep programming it’s cool but the people make it shtty sometimes
This applies to every job and profession. Humans werent created to do robotic repetitive stuff. If they do for a long period of time is because of lack of choice or because they are the sole breadwinner
Probably the best way to phrase it. Humans aren't meant to sit behind a computer all day either. Sometimes I enjoy it, when I'm interested in solving a puzzle. But if you really don't care it sucks. I at least get a lot of freedom in my job so I can mix things up enough that I don't care too bored.
Go work at CVS, or Target, or Walmart...
Watch how fast your office job becomes a dream job.
Or an amazon warehouse. Must be nice. Smh
As one who have had all kind of jobs, I can tell you there is a big benefit when having these kind of work and that is that when you are at work, you just do something. You don't have to think for a second what you are doing and when you are off, there is absolutly no chance of you suddently starts thinking of work that need to be done.
That is not a luxury we have as software developers.
@@ErnaSolbergXXX I have worked in both kinds of jobs where I must have used brain and also didnt need to and i can tell you it is much bigger pain when ur mind is bored because it has nothing to do. Its just empty eternality and time goes very slow. Yea if you can listen to music or something then it is filled but in many jobs its not allowed. So even if u are a bit stressed and you must think, it is much better because ur mind is always focused on something and not realizing time. Working in manuall jobs where you dont need use brain feels like starring at wall for 8 hours with 0 brain stimulation just try it
You != every programmer)
IT is by far the most stressful worst work environments I have been in. Ive done fast food, customer support, tech support, call centers, factory jobs. IT without a doubt is the most stressful and mental health draining jobs ive ever had. I have 12 years in the field
I actually dig the work but turnaround times are often a crunch/unreasonable, making me submit solutions I'm not happy with. Now that AI is a thing management think it makes everyone a 10x dev which is miles from reality.
Dev job can be exciting if the team you are working with is paid enough and the product you are developing is nice. But the reality is that most of the times you are underpaid and the projects you work on are trash which leads to toxic working environment. That's just the mental side of it, if you add the sitting all day which ruins your health in so many ways you can guess why people give up :)
Some great generic advice is to climb as high as you can while having as few as possible direct reports.
Dorian, are you freaking serious?! I work in a call center and get paid $40k year to get yelled at by customers and talked down to by managers. Your situation could be way, way worse..
I enjoy my job and enjoy coding as a career. It is a shame some people get into software engineering and don't like it, but it can be like that in basically any profession. Also ask good questions in the interview and you can filter out those jobs that are not a good fit.
The same thing happens in other careers like architecture.
At that point, i think its time for people to then start their passion projects, or side businesses that can, one day, be a full time income
Coding is definitely a great way to produce income and it can become robotic. But if you are invested in the improvement of your team and the goal you are trying toneeach for your company, it should start to show if your company appreciates good work and good people. They will feel a sense of relief when you are on their team or project. They will tend to gradually become friends with you as your skills, dedication and reliability are refreshing to be around with. If you stay true, the results should seep through and recognition be had but only if that work environment truly promotes a healthy work culture
People get into this industry, follow the path of pure greed and wonder why they start hating their job. Yes, you will make a lot of money working for a fucking Bank but yes, it will suck and be boring. I don't know what people expect, really. I've often turned down higher paid jobs and the one I have right now isn't the highest paid by all means but is so insanely cool, I'm glad to be a developer everyday.
I don't hate the job, not a fan of the company though.
Very negative title! Click bait, and its is just not true.
I do not hate my job, I love it, shitty title bro
I think what you’re talking about comes with every job man. I was in construction and it’s the same thing. Truth is that’s how society is and unless you decide to work on a side project to eventually go into your own biz, that’s how it’s gonna be no matter what job one has, and even when one starts their own biz that comes with its own set of problems.
Yup it’s boring being in management. At least with your own business you get to wear different hats if you like every aspect of what you do.
Exactly... my response: ruclips.net/video/1qIrfQdE1Fs/видео.html
Same, as a civil engineer.
nah not every job. Field of work truly depends. there are more jobs out there than just the meta. it's just people chase what they think is good and then get stressed out. Natural response to most jobs that are meta
I'm tired of this kinds of videos ,WORK AS A GARBAGE COLLECTOR ,OR IN CONSTRUCTION OR KITCHEN AS A CHEF OR KITCHEN PORTER OR AS A JANITOR OR STREET SWEEPER OR ANY OTHER BLUE COLLAR JOBS IF YOU ARE TIRED OF BEING A A PROGRAMMER THEN LATER MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT IT AND TELL ME IF YIU STILL HATE TO BE A PROGRAMMER LOL😅
As senior a developer I really dislike the whole corporate management BS. I mean I detest that crap, like I despise it, I loathe it with passion, I hate it folks. Stupid dumb a** managers and VPs making egotistical decisions that solve no problem requesting convoluted features with unrealistic expectations and the deaf ears to the issues you arise in order to be productive... honestly folks I've even thought of going to do some valet parking, that's how fed up I've gotten, lmao! And I remember I wanted so bad to be a programmer, the toxic environment and the BS removed the joy out of it. Now growing my side hustle to replace my income and do my own thing. Thank God for my wife/kids my motorcycle and my bass!
Better title: Why EVERY Person WITH A JOB HATES their Job
Even male pr0n stars?
Next reason is that we are doing job for someone else and don't have any personal interest in that job. But my focus and brain clarity go through the roof when I'm working on my side project, even without the possibility of monetization, lol
I've heavily thought on both opening a coffee shop and starting a farm/ranch. I think you're right, boredom and burnout play deeply into these thoughts. I'm bored out of my mind and mostly not challenged but, I make close to 200k, I work from home, and I enjoy lots of vacation time. It's not perfect but, I will muscle through all of my complaints because it affords me a lifestyle and a portfolio that will give me the opportunity to retire almost 2 decades before the official retirement age. Most people don't like their job, at least I can not like it while not commuting in to an office.
You get it... my response: ruclips.net/video/1qIrfQdE1Fs/видео.html
can you explain how to make 200k from home, please 🙏
@@myfreedom1776 there's no secret to it. I'm a staff level software engineer for a non FAANG company with 16 years of experience.
@@myfreedom1776 american who got lucky
I'm pretty happy with my work from home software job but it's mostly theoretical test driven development. Non automated testing of code seems such a nightmare and I've observed it accounts for most of burnout.
I’ve been trying to get a job in this industry for over a year at this point I’d die for a job like this 😂
we've all gone through that stage at some point, once programming becomes your job, it becomes a job
Felt that way before I started, been doing this for 18 months now, its hard to still feel that way
I'm stuck at a crappy retail job that I literally cannot get out of no matter what I do. I literally wish I had this job at all 😂
do you have the skills, certificates or degrees to get into his line of work? if not, better get some kind of certification.
@@redesignedlife777 I do have the skills and projects to show for it, but funnily enough, I am getting my full-stack certification currently.
You got me at "starting woodworking". Man your whole outlook on software engineering as a career is so accurate. As a programmer with 8+ years of experience, your assessments are so accurate. You helped me understand why I feel like I feel from this industry. Thank you!
Another point you have missed is that the tech is just a means to an end
If we could use gummy bears and fruit loops, we would
It’s still work and a job to make someone else’s life easier
I find it strange you didny understand this from the jump
No one tells people this anymore?
I think another factor is also that many devs don't have anything to compare their job to. Like if you've been working as a dev since you left school, that's likely going to be the only full-time job or industry you've ever known. I just got my first tech job a few months ago and my coworkers are pretty great but they're often going on about how tired and stressed they are, while I'd been making peanuts for most of my adult life and recently transitioned out of a 52 hour a week job (that also paid peanuts). For me I'm just happy to be there, finally able to do intellectually stimulating work, even if it is for a paltry junior salary (which is the most money I've ever earned up to this point at any job). I get that every lifestyle has it's stresses and maybe I'll get tired of this stuff too one day but when I think of my life before tech it's hard to imagine.
Same bro. WFH/developer money after landscaping in 100 degree heat and working in retail with dinguses before I finally got a job like this after having shit jobs in my 20s
i dont hate my job ... its actualy quite a good job.. the only thing i hate is when certain high level staff try to give me tasks that are away from programming. The problem with dev is it takes a certain amount of time to solve a problem.. and if they're pushing for job done in x-time.. and it takes x-time + more ... then that can be difficult. We're working with things that dont always work... and problem that takes time to solve.
Damn man i know the titles are just for views and thats how the game is played, but i love my job
Could you tell us why you love your job as a counterpoint to Dorian’s vid?
The farming dream thing is so weird, people’s perception is that it’s the easy life, which is completely false, it’s hard graft, which a lot of developer types have never really done and would find super tough, the margins are super tight as well, which causes a lot of stress.
It’s also just as repetitive as any other job most of the time.
You're content is more of a personal vlog of internal struggles. We all have those and I hope you find what you are looking for, but this is getting old.
better than working in a call cantre dude. stress with that is off the charts.
True, in tech, it's just your manager yelling at you the entire day.
Haha I have worked in a call centre in 2013 yes I hated it but on reflection it was incredibly easy, just read a script and handle one call at a time and when the day is done it’s done, I got £27k for working there, I’ve worked as a developer for 5 years now, I got £35k which is the average for that role in the uk apparently… it’s literally a hundred times more complicated if not more, I implement test and then have to support what is now hundreds of projects across about a hundred different systems, go to boe inflation calculator put in £27k from 2013 -> today, it’s £36k , so I was better paid in the call centre
Currently I am in line to be promoted to a manager/head of department of tech and development for a small medical company I work at. While I do think that coding is fun and I will be sad that I won't do it at all, I find it as another challenging experience to conquer in life and that it will add more tools to my tool belt. I also think that if I am bored it is better than being completely unhappy and not wanting to go to work every day, because at the end of the work day I go home and continue my expensive hobbies of cars, motorcycles, electronics, video games, etc. If I ever do get fully burnt out though then I think I would either go get a masters degree or possibly just 180 my career and go into a trade job like electrician but still program to keep my skills up to date in case I ever want to go back.
And I am that electrician that is trying to obtain what you have lol. Weird to think about.
DORIAN YOU NEED jesus christ in your life nothing else in life will fulfill you or fill that gap in us
I find it hard to think that developers are underpaid. They are one of the highest paid industries which is why a lot of people want to become developers.
They're not real programmers, they are boot camp or RUclips video graduates who got into this job because of the recent boom in IT and high salaries and ease of work remotely..., but the actual job is very boring and in some instances very mentally demanding, something similar to Math ... which most of these so-called "programmers" hated it during high school.
I LOVE my programming job.
I 9:55 bet you get into woodworking now just bc you said that lol
Wood working is amazing and you will love it!
Do you really need click bait titles? These will get you a few more clicks on the short term, but disgrace your reputation eventually.
Having said this, it is not false not only that every programmer hates his job, but even that most programmers hate their jobs.
First, you have to understand, if you surprisingly could not do it already, what a job is. A job is precisely something you do not because you like it but because you need that money that it brings you. Otherwise you would not would not be paid for it. Then sure you can like what you do at your job to a certain degree but only a super tiny minority of people will like 100% or even 70% of their job to the point that they will do exactly the same if they did not have to do it.
Then there is the thing that most people love to whine and complain about their job, independently of how good or bad it is...
Then there is the fact that programming is a very varied activity, what you do in one shop might be completely different from another shop. Most jobs are not like this,
Then there is the fact that we programmers are usually a curious bunch that hates routine, so you will see many programmers not quitting but changing their jobs, because we like novelty and as you correctly said, we are at our happiest when we feel we are growing and learning something new.
As for the transition to management, it is usually something that is actively pursued by developer, because as they get older they don' t have the focus and energy required for long session of coding.. and because they realise that managing is usually easier then doing, and with age they also got more family responsibilities and become less interested in tech work and growth.
Finally, those that transition to RUclips are principally two types: those who do tech content, usually they realised that they might have a shot at a gigantic audience, a self managed job and quite a lot of money... and those who just talk about "developer issues" which are generally lazy, narcissistic people who are seeking for attention and realised that talking about BS in front of a camera is easier than solving real problem coding.
I'm getting sick of this attitude of entitlement developers have. Especially self-taught ones. Nobody owes you shit. Quit bitching about your very well paid job that you got without having to go to college, unlike most careers out there.
Game developers don't feel this way lol
Hating the job not the craft
This is a clickbait title and image. It worked...but I don't like it. It devalues your message. You can say the same thing without the sensationalism. I like my job. Work in general gets old if you don't feel engaged...it's on you.
Must be a backend developer lol. I love my job!
ya, it's just attrition. normal cycle of weeding people out who like or hates to code. Once they are in deep coding, they will know if it's for them or not.
This video is very negative, 2 things:
The title should be "Why SOME Programmers HATE Their Job"
Should be another video "Why Some Programmers LOVE Their Job" - because there are a lot of reasons this is a great, interesting, challenging, healthy career for many people, its not all clouds and rain.
Clickbait = Clicks = Views = Ad Revenue
So much negativity bro what happened
The coding part of IT jobs are pretty cool. The problem is that is comes infested with people.
Software is and has always been a great career. It's Scrum rituals and pseudo-AGile that made it a soul-crushing numbing job.
Every job is like this. I just want to work in the one with the most pay so I can invest and eventually start a farm, or a business of my own.
Granted i had very shitty tech jobs but I would still work there over retail, fast food, warehouse/production, shipping, call center, or Amazon.
I’m still in the honeymoon phase of my new tech related job , and while I do know it will eventually wear off the thoughts of going to any of those jobs above keeps me motivated to stay with the one I’m at, especially since I was unemployed for a year prior to this job.
My Reaction: Why does every programmer hate their job? (fixed audio)
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I'm on my 11th year, I don't hate my job, what I hate is web devs is so fast pace lol!
I drive a bus
As a christian the thing that cause me joy and excitement in life is taking people to christ and watching them grow into sanctity and watch God bless their life thats what fulfills my life a BORING JOB LIKE PROGRAMMING IS AWESOME BECAUSE ITS A JOB TO ME WHERE I GET TO CREATE STUFF I DONT try and find meaning in my work I find that in JEsus Christ... your job is not gonna fulfill you neither is money or women JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
Bad video with clickbait
Finally got my dream job as a developer. After 2 years I just quite because of politics. Im not into politics but i was labeld as a toxic masculine. white supremacists because i went to the gym and my first language was Afrikaans. I actually loved my job. I got physically intimidated multiple times. My car also got damaged. I gave it all i have but i just had enough. I worked so hard on learning and developing systems... Now it was all for nothing.
Programming is boring because it is a terrible experience, which involves very few senses. It is like writing a book, every script is an article, every app is a book. How many books a writer can write, how many articles, without burning out. Then you watch too much tv and ytube. After that you do not feel like going back to programming coz it is not video and music, it is just text ... and you already high on dopamine. Do you feel like going to work after having sex? It is better to work before it ;).
I started a skate company, 🎉 this video is on point. I’m still working my job until my company makes it off the ground but if it doesn’t, I’ll start buying chickens.
You probably felt the same way at your previous job which made you want to transition into tech. The specific reasons might be different but the results of these reasons are the Same.
Jobs aren't supposed to be fun i think. That whole 'do what you love and not work a day' is Bs. You wakeup, work to earn food and a place to crash and clothes and a few luxuries and sleep and repeat tomorrow. I bet Elon sometimes doesn't enjoy his job whatever it is. I bet hookers don't always enjoy their job. Pro esports athletes get bored too.
Working is not always meant to be enjoyed. You must suffer lol. You'll buy that farm and eventually you'll get bored of shovelling shit and want to get xpllre a new life as a mushroom. If you are in the worker class you simply have to do what you must
I understand the part about dealing with bad working environments and management, but not the part about being bored of the routine and predictability. Isn't that pretty much a complaint you can level at most jobs? Could it be possible that many people that end up feeling that way never really did it out of a passion for the programming and technology, but more because it promised to be a financially rewarding career option? At least with software development being a creative and constructive discipline, you can look for different opportunities and challenges. That's not as true for many other careers you could pursue.
I left coding in my career to move to IT Architecture. I felt like I was doing the same thing over and over after 10+ yrs coding.
Grear vid. Definitely feeling the... "doing something that is anything but what I like doing and went to school for.." so much so that I'm considering a total career shift after 16 years 😂.
100%, you end up not doing the thing you went into the job for in the first place. this is not only to do with programming but other tech related jobs too. its saps all enjoyment out of the job when its nothing but meetings and emails or you work on the same project for way too long and nothing changes. same thing over and over again
What I hate the most (beside poor management) is crappy software. I wouldn't mind if libraries well well-kept but it seems 80% of software out there is total crap
lol..... keep band aiding the bugs. it will be ok.
The software is crap because of poor management
Because Scrum is the predominant ideology. Quality goes out the window when Scrum enters the room.
@@natescode sometimes the software is crap due to it’s limitations.
I've been a busboy and i've been unemployed. I have done digital art for peanuts, i stood out in the street giving out pamphlets, i worked in retail for years to my body's detriment and now i work in a high pressure office job with crazy hours. So don't worry: I can handle the dev job. 😎
I quit because it was just copy and pasting all day
You just described my current client (I can't wait to replace)
You are talking about senior developers because they have more experience than juniors so they help out with the hiring and meetings. Junior developers do a lot of the coding.
For me the real problem is solving problems you dont really care about
Well there is a need for electricians so just quit...
Like the old saying, once a CTO always a CTO
Welcome to adulthood. Thats every job
Ehh… I don’t hate my job. Another clickbait.
The video is not only about you dude
@@3.14name I mean it does say EVERY in the title. So technically it’s about that guy as well 😅
I wish I had the boredom problem, instead I got the toxic management and coworkers. Boredom is as good as it gets unfortunately.
this is why it’s called job lol
Thanks for throwing light on the road ahead us Dorian
this is every job
Wow spot on!
Lol facts 🤣
In my first job there was a couple senior devs (20+ YOE) who I would sometimes glance over at (open office) and i distinctively remember that more often than not they'd look completely zombie-esque. Just no morale left, all signs of spirit in their eyes vanished. They'd also yawn a lot and look at the roof when we hat all-hands with information that could be an e-mail. Like they just radiated "Why god why do I have to do this all day long"... The juniors on the other hand would typically look deep in thought and extremely focused.
lol.... the vicious cycle of workers. Nothing exciting about an all hands meeting. I only enjoy it cuz it's an hour or 2 time off to sit there and do nothing.
It's called technical debt. All that type they spent writing bad code as junior devs has finally got to them.
Let's be honest - the problem is the people that do not contribute shit to the product except make you be present in useless meetings - those who move shit in Jira from left to right, you know them.. Other than that we programmers are here for the pay check because otherwise with no money we are screwed. Nobody with rich parents and some charisma has a genuine desire for CS. We just have to do it because other jobs pay nothing.
Everyone wants to be a movie/rock/pop star. Nobody wants to be the geek and the techy weirdo.
Software industry could be still running very well without PMs, HRs and QAs lol we all know all of these things but we do not bother to say it out loud cause we don't care anymore
Not true I actually love it . What I do not like is the amount of work I put in . On and off for the small pay. And the pressure. It makes me think meh not worth it. So I am trying to start my company in my mother basement :D Yeah at 40 yr and I dont care what people say.
Also, i think hating your job and getting bored of it are 2 different things. You probably hated your previous job so much so that you got out of it whereas while you might get bored of your driving velioer job, you'd still tolerate it. The guy you mentioned that bought a farm probably hated his job
I feel bad for people who dont love what they do. I haven't "worked" in over ten years, since I started programming professionally.
once a project or sprint gets near the end phase, I always start feeling bored or anxious. It's like I'm in some kind of limbo state
>you just get bored of work doing the same thing over and over again
thats pretty much all corporate jobs
I don't hate my job, I just hate other people's code, that also includes me from 2+ years ago.
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I think you are drunk.
A lot of programmers end up starting their own business or tech startup.
I was waiting for an answer, because this is most jobs 😮💨
Life is chasing after the wind.
Management, its management.
Why you make me want to quit!
I don't.
Thank You :]
So most software developers, are under pressured,overrated and etc in the work environment. So the solution is to too?
Create a proper lifestyle by organizing your schedules
Have hobbies that you are fond of
But if software developers job does not satisfy, try something you want to do😊!
they hate their job because theyre soft
ware engineers
health, life events, crime has siphoned a lot of my funds but had it not I'd absolutely be retired to the farm by now. But a real farm not like the one for pets. Death marches, fighting against exploitation, and antisocial leadership has become unbearable. And not to point fingers, there has been a lot of run-ins with the younger half of gen z not doing their job and not cooperating with older employees. I support work life balance but would have wanted expectations to be managed better with some semblance of a cooperative spirit. Also subtle racism from non-american culture in the office is interesting to watch but not entirely ok to work with. I don't hate my job. It's a job. Just wish American culture had more work/life balance so you can be fulfilled the normal way, through life, outside of the machine.