BMW R 1300 GS ASA - It Learns Your Habits
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
- ASA automatically adapts gear shifts to the rider's preferences in automated D mode, so in other words it learns your shift patterns/riding habits and performs the way you personally want it to perform in each ride mode: Eco, Rain, Road, Dynamic...etc.
The Automated Shift Assistant is the logical and technical evolution of the BMW Motorrad Shift Assistant Pro. Two electronically controlled electromechanical actuators operate the clutch and gearshift, enabling easy starting and automated gear changes. The rider's shift request is transmitted to the control unit via a gear shift lever sensor, which is actuated by the conventional foot-operated gearshift lever. Additional sensors determine the revs of the transmission input shaft and the clutch position. These values are transmitted to the TCU (Transmission Control Unit), which is closely linked to the engine control unit, for modelling and control of the clutch, shift actuation and status.
The clutch is operated by an electro-mechanical actuator combined with a hydraulic system with a direct hydraulic connection between the clutch master and slave cylinders. The actuator regulates the required clutch slip, engages the clutch when changing gear and disengages it when stopping.
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I'm a BMW fan and I've been waiting for BMW to wake up and make an automatic. I'm really looking forward to it. What a treat! Thanks for video.
it's not an 'automatic' neither is DCT
@@Euro-yv9js I rode it quite a lot of miles 4 days ago on a wide range of roads and dirt tracks from 1mph to illegal mph.
So please tell me why the Automatic mode isn't Automatic drive?
Do you have spare $30K?
As a big Honda DCT fan (Africa Twin) I always wondered why nobody else is offering an alternative. Finally the market is catching up and many "this is not riding a motorbike" haters will be shifting automated too ;-) . As long as I can run it on a manual mode, I never understood the critics on their quickshifters. I look forward to seeing the development of these systems. Thanks for the review. I want to give it a try myself.
Not offered because people who don't like to shift have scooters to ride. Not new tech, auto bikes been around since mid 70s...nobody really cares.
If it needs to be repaired you’ll find out why they didn’t make them for years
@@Alien300Blackouteventually it ALL needs to be repaired…..
Just don’t be an early adopter and you’ll be fine.
You’re not my mum by any chance are you? She worried about electric windows in her Fiat 127 Palio (look it up it was quite a stylish little thing) back in 1981. Her fear was “what if I roll it off a quayside (she lived in Hampshire) and the windows don’t open”.
She never did drive it off a quayside and may I suggest you’re unlikely to have to pay for a gearbox replacement either…..
Don’t let it worry you..
@@PhilbyFavourites although I haven’t ridden a motorcycle in quite a few years I know many people that do. I’ve never heard anybody say I wish I had an automatic.🤣🤣
When I went for the automatic transmission on cars, it was the end for me with the manual gearbox. I think by what you’ve shown here, it might happen with bikes too. I have to try it first, but that’s the feedback I’m getting from this video. It seems to be extra friendly. Probably it is a point of no return. Thanks Scott 👍🏻
Right, auto transmissions have been around since mid 70s, so any day now will be the big switch. It's not happening.
@@garnet4846You think?
Honda DCT is ahead of the game and been doing it for years with the proven reliability.
Single clutch automated system is NOT doing the same as dual-clutch system. With DCT the gear is engaged at every point during shifting. Not the case with ASA.
And therefore it'll never be as smooth on gear changes .
When u gear up on power with dct theres zero break in power during shift
I'm not a lover of any kind of automatic on a bike BUT Hondas system is seamless compared to this ! You may aswell just use the quick shifter .
Absolutely - uncomparable to DCT, but still gut BMW approaches the topic, finally.
I would never ever give away my DCT (on the NT 1100)
So what?
No other mfg needs to make a DCT, not every mfg has shift assist, but customers will buy what the marketing research tells them will sell. Maybe they won’t be as successful as Honda, but that’s okay.
Have to say, it's nice to hear you happy and having fun on a ride, thanks for the review and time to let us tag along with you :)
Yeah I'm definitely getting the ASA GSA. Thanks for the in depth review
I already ordered it and swapping the 1300 gs
This tech will be great on the new R13RT
I've done heaps of miles with a Honda NM4 (yes) with a fairly early version of DCT - from Estonia to Nordkapp, Alps and most recently Romania. It allows me to focus on the scenery, the twisties, the traffic in large foreign towns, etc.. I recently sold it and picked up an R1250RS and to be fair.. once they release a R1300RS with this version, I'm probably switching to it. I don't really miss shifting gears to be honest. But I also do enjoy it at times (though, all automatics allow an override anyway).
I think all the testestorone fuelled comments about this not being a real motorcycle will fade into background noise once most buyers switch to DCT, ASA and systems like them: right across the board, every manufacturer, most models.
@@oploupe yep, same happened when ABS was introdued. I had a 2013 VFR1200X and conclude that these transmissions are for experienced riders who love tech progress.
@@oploupe 100% agree with you!
I have a 1250 GS and love it and preferred it's looks to the new 1300 so had no intention of changing at all. However with tendonitis in my left hand Ive looked at Honda Dct bikes but don't like any of them to be honest.
This video impressed me so all I have to do now is win the lottery!
Thanks for the trip and thanks for the good feedback! I might choose to buy ASA. 🙋♂
I was a rider until the age of 69 when I lost my left leg due to diabetes. That was devastating knowing I will never ride a motorcycle again due to the fact that without a left articulating ankle I can’t shift. If I were 10 or 15 years younger I would be able to ride a machine like this but at this age of 73 I’m not that excited to further my riding career.
For arthritic hands (takes one to know one). Great idea I'm sold.
I just bought a 2024 R1250 GSA but the ASA bike looks cool. Trade in your current bike. Something new is good. Life is short!
Consume product! All the guys at the coffee shop will be so impressed!
Warsteiner was my favourite beer in Germany, but I'll take an auto clutch BM these days!
Great review Scott!
Cheers!
It will be interesting to see ASA introduced on the RT along with the adaptive cruise control.
That's the future...thanks for your (always) very interesting tests !
‘Tis the future’, I wouldn’t go back to a manual car….I like the manual override too using the foot lever.
Terrific video demonstrating the new system. I have been curious and skeptical. Can’t wait to test ride a 1300GSA automated manual.
This is wild!! Great presentation NTP!
Manufacturers will only make these if there is a market for these types of machines. Riders with disabilities appreciate these systems, just like Honda’s DCT. Personally I’m glad to see these machines even if I don’t need to use them.
when you are short with arthritis the Honda DCT is a godsend and I have the Rebel 1100 as due to my hips I cannot ride the bigger bikes like the Africa Twin or the Goldwing, even the NT1100 is a struggle for me to get my leg over so it is horses for courses as far as I am concerned.
Thanks very much for this perfect video. It gives me a good impression of the ASA. But... I love my clutch on my r1250rs ;) Thats waht separates biking from driving my family car!
That ASA works fine on normal country roads and drving in the city is really no surprise. so the last 2 minutes of your video were actually the most interesting ones. what happens in slow speed driving under 20 kmh, how can you handle tight corners and hairpin curves where you normally need to the clutch to drive precisely. therefore, looking forward to test it myself here in our curvy Eifel roads.
The answer is yes! This is a long term test that we all need
Muchas gracias por los subtitulos en español.
Excelente video prueba.
El cambio automático tiene muy buena pinta.
Yo estoy harto del embrague, la verdad.
👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙋🏻
I ordered my new GS a few weeks ago with ASA. Cant wait to get it 🙂
I like to have control over the clutch, with a Quickshifter to use it or not at my will. This looks a great option for people who are fed up of clutches.
I am with you. I had a 2022 dct wing and went to a 1200RT. Although I quite liked the dct, I don’t regret my decision.
new improvement is great but I'm like manual clutch, more filling, two thumbs for you man
Honda has it for years.
BMW started with it now
Yamaha started with it now
Kawazaki next year.
10 years from now, "everybody" will buy big bikes with automatic gearboxes
Super video sir, I’ve tried an ASA GS bike too, i was thoroughly impressed and i loved riding it, it was flawless. I think i would love to carry on riding a motorbike in the traditional way for a little longer. Kind regards.
Man o man, I wish I had ASA on my GS1250! Hi Scott, as always, a very interesting episode! Thanks Marc Quebec Canada 😉🏍️
@marcfalardeau6058: est-tu de la région de la beauce, par hasard?
Thank You Almighty God I will buy one for myself
To all Honda lovers, yes its not as smooth as DCT, but its not trying to safe fuel as Honda do, to a point where smoothness of shifting turning to a bike jerkiness due to a high gear and low rpm. BMW ASA dose the the thing on the end of the day, it shifting gears for you. And it for sure will take a slice of Hondas automatic gear box pie.
oh, thanks, i didnt know you can tap the rearbrake twice to disable Hillbreak
Excellent review; thanks. I have a 1250GS and a Honda ADV 350 scooter with CVT transmission. Looks like I'll be trading both for an ASA BMW. Only decision will be GS or R1300R 🤔
It's still has combined braking? Like you can ride it just with your right hand and it will brake both front and rear?
I just tested 1300 GSA ASA today and can say ASA work pretty well (a little too harsh from 1 to 2 gear, but the rest almost perfect) and the most suprise for me was that probably BMW changed something in the engine and no more clattering sound from this engine. I tested 1300 GS last year autumn and could not accept the mechanical sound of engine. Now Alles ist in Ordnung!!! Did somebody else noticed the same? I did not have both bikes side by side so could make mistake.
Yea, they have fix/reduced the noise level, I can tell with just about any 1300GS made around spring this year or there after. BUT BMW won't say anything...of course not! I even had a long discussion with the head mechanic at my dealer and he said that there is nothing that the mechanics have to do differently when servicing the motor. But I think they've added some sound absorbing material to the inside wall and/or adjusted the cam chain. But that is just rumors...
It's normal that it is rougher than the DCT, it has no double clutch.
Didn't you sold your GS yet?
Test it at mountain roads. Curvy needle curves in automatic check if the gears are right. DCT sends me with automatic setup in D5 into the curves, so I use only manual + - otherwise too dangerous.
the future is automatic !!! Great review once more !!!
Nice! However sometimes it feels so good to ride a bike in its most basic form... just a bike - a speedometer, fuel gauge, normal clutch and gear lever - and does not even have to be powerful... Maybe I'm just old!! 🙂
I agree. I have the last year(2019) of cable throttle BMW R9T, that i'll never sell for that reason. However, when considering the R1300 its already a computer guided cruise missile, and for that purpose I think this ASA might actually be good :D
I like it, soon it's going to be extra for the manual transmissions ..... very cool, thank you V!
🤣🤣...hmm...funny...but might come true one day...
I would pay extra for BMW not to use Nikasil on cylinder walls and that electronically driven camshift inside the engine. that is just unnecessary. Suzuki used to do it with engine oil and it was fine (the variable cam tech)
Liking the look of that, especially in the Trophy colours, get it bought! ;-)
Outstanding review. This looks really good. I am wondering how it handles at slow speed parking lot U-turns, figure 8's etc. Would there be a tendency to stall out?
Watch to the end of the video...
@@NothingToProve Ha! I have to admit I posted that with a couple of minutes to go!
Good on people for buying a first generation bike but at least for me i would wait. Its pretty smart manufacturer are recognizing that young people coming into their motorcycle years have no idea what a manual transmission is.
Excellent vid. Should you trade??? Hmmm probably not whilst your 1300 is so new? If it was older yes…
Call me old school. I don't want to re-learn how to ride my motorcycles. And I still perceive that my engagement with the machine and ride is elevated with a "proper" manual transmission and clutch.
"Upright Assist" on these big bikes would be a great option.
My question to you Scott is if you personally no longer had either of your current BMWs would you buy the automated or the fully (analog) manual? Would you sell your GS & trade your RT? Would you trade your RT for a RT with this system when it comes available?
Great video (as always). Love your enthusiasm!
Hmm...good question...thinking....don't know. I ride so many different bikes and 99% of them have a clutch, so for my personal bike to NOT have a clutch is counter intuitive. In fact after riding this bike and getting on my own GS, I almost stalled it when coming to a full stop because I forgot to pull in the clutch, the bike shuttered and then I remembered to pull in the clutch.
@@NothingToProve
Thanks for answering.
So it basically has a servo for the cluch, and one for shifting, it is never going to be "smooth ", only in certain conditions.the dct is way superior in this case. And I own a 1300gs!
100%
Exactly. But it's probably also simpler so that's why they went this way probably
If Honda managed to cut the weight difference between the two systems to 2kg then yes DCT will be superior in every way
Sure.. nice cope for a buyers Remorse.
THe BMW ASA is already superior to DCT!
ASA is mind blowing!
Great video on this. I think you should swap over, give us a nice long term review of how it works.
4:42 hey that looks the one i work with🥰
5:47 and another colleague of mine😊
If you’re riding off road, how do you loft the front wheel over obstacles?
In Enduro mode, just blip the throttle the same way you do with a clutch, also put it in manual mode and you pick the gear too. Simple.
asa is precise than e clutch . Just hope the DM button can directly into automatic mode .if the gear lever not function
Hi
Can you compare the driveline with BMW ASA, Hondas DCT and Yamaha’s YAMT , only on MT09 for now
You need to try the Yamaha MT09 Y-AMT.
I have not tried it yet, but i‘m not sure, if that this is the kind of automated transmission i would want. The concept sounds like a normal gearbox, with somebody else controlling the gear shifting. I‘m afraid, that this feels weird in tight corners … I like the DCT of the AT, but with the double clutch the shifting on the AT is pretty smooth. I also have a Rekluse clutch on my dirtbike - but there i just have no clutch lever and decide by myself, when to shift gears. I guess i will have to try it out.
Esta moto con el freno trasero en la mano izquierda, sería completamente perfecta.
I love my GSA. But for anybody after 60, definitely will be trading mine in next year. Can't wait.
Thanks for showing us the S part. What about the G part ??? Didn't you see the Kärcher around the back?
Thank you,brother, for the useful explanation regarding the new generation of ASA
I was waiting for the manual shifting on ( sport mod ) with out operate your leg
Thank you.
To answer your question, you can't do manual mode without using your left foot. There are no "paddles" on the handlebar.
Deberían ofrecer la posibilidad de poner el freno trasero en la maneta izquierda. Siempre tiene más tacto una mano que un pie
Go for it Yesterday!!!😁
U said u selling your GS?
I wonder about the durability of the " automatic" system.
those are 2 actuators so should not be super expensive theoretically. what is worse is that this is disposable engine with nikasil lining on cylinder walls. No one is going to repair that. You need to replace that. It's been like that since 1250.
Could you do a review on the new Honda Goldwing DCT Model?
Looks good. Now I want them to offer it in their 800 and 900GS bikes too.
I don't see it on their USA and Canadian websites ....yet?
Yamaha has all the components outside. This is neat and internalized.
Sounds like Yamaha makes it alot easier for the mechanic to service it.👍
@@travelinben1966 service will be simple.. Yamaha’s implementation is with linkage mimicking manual shift .. with bmw its direct actuation.. may be more precise
Hold of yamaha have autobox now too?
@@Angry-Lynx Yes, MT09 Y-AMT
Yes go for the new GS
Como se pone en posición neutra en una parada prolongada por ejemplo????
how do u keep steady at low speeds? when crawling or riding below walking pace u want some clutch control and revs to make the engine work like a gyro. feels like there would be alot of waddling with these dct bikes
this seems to be rougher / less refined than the Y-AMT from what i've seen in mt-09 reviews - can you maybe compare these two systems?
Yea, I'll be on the AMT as soon as I can get my hands on one 👍
It is just an automated manual gearbox which is old technology in semi trucks for years already.
My 2012 Iveco Stralis 480 worked the same.
This tech only seems to be making its way now into smaller vehicles.
DCT on the other hand is effectively two three speed gearboxes, each with its own clutch hence the extra weight and split second shifting speeds.
An AM will never be as smooth as a DCT, it is just not possible. So two helmets will always be knocking
This will be amazing for motorcycle police officers. imagine being able to freely use your entire left hand to direct traffic or whatever and being fully able to control the bike to a full stop.
Many years back, when Collin McRae was my idol, I was sceptic about automatic transmission. My thoughts about Americans unable to drive manual, I am not able to speak out today. I drive automat car last 14 years and next bike - 80% will be with automated gearbox. Yamaha? Honda? BMW? maybe new contender? which will suite me the best?
an idea for a new video: uphill and downhill starts both in automatic and "M" manual both alone and with a passenger
I believe the ASA will be a transition / intermediate solution to fully automated gearbox demand of gs fans, like hybrid cars... It won't last long, like Honda's dct. Bmw will replace it soon with its own new dual clutch fully automated system. Just my prediction...
Is it possible for BMW to install this ASA to my 2022 R1250 adventure?...if not I'll consider getting the Africa twin with DCT.
i just want to clarify, because there is a huge debate below its is good or not, or the automatic is for cars etc. If you put into manual mode, then you shift with your foot, like with a quickshifter, just smoother.
Sorry but I made that clear in the video. Some people watch a small portion of the video and stop and draw incorrect conclusions.
Is this making it much less stealable as not being able to just roll it away?
Go for it! You only live once, despite what James Bond has to say (:LOL)
Honda has e-clutch now as well as DCT.
I’m concerned the upcoming R1300RT won’t be available with a manual transmission and a quickshifter. Have you heard anything?
Let’s hope that is not the case.
Great ride through !! Having an impaired left hand from birth i’ve been looking for something along the lines of an Africa Twin or possibly the BMW. I’ve held a bike license since the age of 17 and used to put a “cranked” clutch lever on the bikes. Now amongst 61 i’m looking towards an easier ride.. Happy days 🤪
So, the riding modes act like different automatic rpm-change selectors? Like Honda’s S1, S2, S3?
yep
Excellent, just a very expensive moped! :)
Can't wait to go for a test ride
Is it like the goldwing auto that “learns” your driving style and can preempt your shift style ?
No, it's not that good...yet.
The GW can do that?
@@TommyStarwindnot really, it just adjusts to your aggressiveness level.
If u accelerate fast and break hard it'll adjust to that in few minutes and will hold gears longer. Nothing to do with prediction.
At least on my AT
@@Angry-Lynx that the 2024 update to DCT w/ the AT? I heard the new one is pretty solid. And this sounds like it.
Thanks, VERY IMPRESSIVE! - "What's the price of this R1300 GS ASA (maybe I missed that in your review?)
Same price as standard model with clutch
@@piotrwiszniewski4179 WOW (nice to know) I thought there would be an additional price
@@piotrwiszniewski4179 That is not correct. There is a choice in the dynamic package - if you choose ASA instead of quickshifter there will be an upcharge.
@@markm9978 I have double check on the BMW website configuration. Whichever option I choose (trophy, triple black, 719…) versions without clutch is for 0 PLN ( polish currency). Maybe in your country is different.
@@piotrwiszniewski4179 Interesting - then it is depending on the country.
Favorite rt versus gs now??
Is there N between first and second gear under left foot?
bmw owners meeting automatic transmission :D we have been using it for almost 15 years.
Very interesting 🤓😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦🍻
30 / 5.000
I'm curious about the consumption
How is the ASA integrated with the ACC? if a car in front comes to a full stop, will the bike also stop automatically?
No ACC will come to a complete stop, with or without ASA. If you think they will, try it but before you do but get it on video. 🤣🤣
@@NothingToProve it shure does stop with my automatic vw golf
With no clutch lever and no foot shifting, what does the left side of your body need to do besides lean and steer?
File for unemployment 🤣🤣
Not a big thing but, with DCT, can’t break the shift lever and there’s no way to mistakenly foot shift while standing on the pegs bouncing through the bouncy stuff.
Yeah I don't miss manual.gearbox.
But it's also nice change to get back on traditional gearbox bike and appreciate that mechanical feel sometimes. But only for some time. After 10minutes I already miss my dct 😂
Will u sell your current GS for this model?
nice asa shift better than most riders enough use for those dont wheelie hahaha
Any idea how to ride this ASA off-road and do a brake slide?
Yea, it still has a rear brake, switch to Enduro mode, turn off rear ABS and you can lock up the rear all the time or twist the throttle and spin donuts.
So question. Is the shift lever still a mechanical engagement or is it an electronic shift.
Electric, no mechanical linkage whatsoever.
@@NothingToProve so it’s pretty easy to shift up and down then, as in not much resistance? That’s one of my few complaints on my current 22 model year GSA, every now and then I won’t push up hard enough on the shifter and it’ll get stuck between gears.
You won't have that problem with this, at least I didn't at all. Tomorrow I ride the 1300 GS Adventure ASA, so that will be the second ASA that I ride. What I'd like to feel/see/experience is the same consistent shifting, whether in manual or auto mode.
@@NothingToProve you doing a video on that one also?
Yes!
My understanding is the Africa Twin has 105 Nm of torque and the GS has 110 Nm. I ride AT so I know what that feels like, but does the GS deliver its torque so differently?
It has 149 nm😮
^ what he said. That's almost 50% more torque, with mostly the same weight
The base AT = 231 then add DCT = 242kg
The Base GS = 237 then add ASA = 239.1kg
Add Electronic Suspension to the AT = 233kg (cause GS does not come without ES)
It's just a numbers thing, my brain automatically goes there...sorry. (it drives my wife crazy)
So if you equip both bikes the same and then add Automatic Clutch, the GS is always lighter and lower center of gravity.
@@NothingToProve Thanks - numbers matter!
Honda's DCT is a lot more advanced than this, since it has two clutches and engages/changes gears A LOT smoother and FASTER than any manual, quick-shifter or "automated" systems. It's also much more complex, hence the weight difference.