As Honolulu’s rail system marks one year, city leaders map out how they plan to boost ridership
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- "They expected us to perform, and we did, and I'm really proud of that."
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THANK YOU RAIL FOR YOUR SHADE EVERYDAY I DRIVE TO WORK AND GOING HOME.
As we get shade from clouds...'every dark cloud has a silver lining'. In these days of negativity, we need any positive we can get.
High capital costs aside, I have to applaud Honolulu for pushing forwards with a high-capacity automated system. While there are doubters now, in 10 years when the system is complete and finally extends into Honolulu proper, Honolulans will feel the benefits in terms of reduced traffic congestion, reduced air pollution and carbon emissions, and increased transit accessibility across the region. This is a long term commitment to sustainable, low-cost travel across the island and a system that will become the envy of many cities around the world. I wish Honolulu good luck in finishing the project :)
Braddah says "It's paid for by the government..so it saves me alot of money". Braddah forget the money the government gets is from the people with taxes. No mo savings.
he meant saving him money by not having to pay for gas
Yups, das me. Fortunately, my job pays for the Holoholo pass monthly. So of course gotta take advantage of the perks that’s available. 🤙🏾 but even still yet, $80/month for the monthly pass vs $300 on gas… no brainer.
@@ElseAndrecool There is no saving if the cost of the rail system is ultimately being paid by the tax payers.
@@krisjugs and for me its $40 a month so its even better
Need more affordable apartments around the stations... better yet build apartments over the stations much like in Asia. Housing, Grocery Store and rail should be one big complex...
TRUE THAT! The city planning for this isn't great, because they are still overloading Kakaako with condos...how about all along the rail line?! Perhaps they should've considered running it along King St. instead. Nearer to hospitals, commerce, entertainment and walking distance from homes that extend up into the mountainside all along the route.
And if they had ran it down Salt Lake Blvd, wouldn't the local ridership increase with all of the residents of those condos?!
Food for thought...
It’s interesting to see so many people that have gripes with rail when the people are the ones who voted to have rail in the first place, rather than the other option which was additional elevated freeway lanes above existing ones for a fraction of what rail was initially supposed to cost (but had vastly gone way over at this point).
And where are those people who said they supported rail, as it seems like a tremendous amount of residents are saying they were always against it...maybe people are just singing a new tune ever since the rail system started becoming a failure.
Time to start talking about what type of failure the Aloha Stadium replacement is turning out to be, do we need it?
- How much are we willing to spend on that project?
- How many seat does it really need?
- Can we really put residential towers that close to a 'loud' stadium without noise complaints?
- How late can football games (i.e. NCAA and OIA/ILH) be played there now that residential towers are located so near to it?
- How long can UH football be played in front of so few fans on the campus stadium before the NCAA reconsiders and lowers them to Division 2 status?
Please raise your stadium issues now.
The rail barely passed with 53% of the vote, and it was only about rail. There was no option to vote for elevated freeway lanes. Actual text of the ballot question:
“Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a steel wheel on steel rail transit system?"
There’s a good reason it won.
“The anti-rail campaign was ultimately outspent by the City and various rail proponents by a ratio of 100 to 1.” Mineta Transportation Institute - REVISITING FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUCCESS OF BALLOT INITIATIVES WITH A SUBSTANTIAL RAIL TRANSIT COMPONENT 6/11
As for their poor performance, going way over budget and schedule, consistently over-promising and underdelivering if not outright lying, they have only themselves to blame.
@@EvilTheOne
That’s a really good point. People should learn from the rail and really think about it so we can speak up NOW rather than complain later.
Existing lanes isnt gonna help traffic congestion much. That mistake has been made too many times in the mainland US. Id rather keep expanding the rail into downtown (which they are doing) to make it more useful
@@ciello___8307 True point! As the residents of Oahu need to understand that it's going to take everyone to make transportation work, even if they aren't using or don't intend to ever use the rail & bus systems. I knew of people that used the Vanpool system for NOT what it was intended for, as most times they weren't carpooling. Too many people are congesting the roads by making needless amount of trips to and from locations, and they are adding to the very congestion they are complaining about.
And if they do live along the rail line, and could use it, but won't, they shouldn't complain about it being built on a bad government decision. As they, unlike many around the world, have overlooked the advantages of public transportation.
The system is far from perfect, although the overall plan was conceived to be integrated into an already excellent bus system. So who knows, we'll have to wait and see. The main problems are the cost and timeline overruns, that cannot continue going forward.
I was at a intersection during rush hour and saw one person sitting in the one of the carts and thought to myself what a joke
Yep, empty trains. Can you change length of train from 4 to 2?
3,000 a day? Bullsh*t 3,000 a month is more like it.
nuh uh
They need more seats on the platform, live time arrival/departure app, if changing train frequency for midday hours will save on costs, this should be explored.
This was a mistake from the start. It would have been better to put the money into an epxanded bus service to the suburbs. It has to start early. Right now it starts too late for a lot of people to make it to work if they start at 5 or 6 am or get off work at 11:30 at night.
That was never the point, objective or goal. The built this rail because of traffic coming and going to work from the west side where a lot of people have had to move because they can’t afford anywhere else.
People in the “suburbs” typically aren’t taking public transportation and therefore not paying for it.
People will still drive their car to work. Rail will never work….. Rail will never easy up that traffic
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Exactly, the rail isn't going to take too many cars off the road because it is not serving the people it needs to serve who live on the Leeward, Windward, Central, and NorthShore. They are the ones who are stuck in traffic. In the meantime the taxpayers who pay for this are footing 82% of the cost. That is in the millions of dollars to pay for the build and the maintenance. Money could have been better spent on bus or road improvements. Kam Highway is still mainly a two lane road and most people have to use it to get from point A to point B.
@@imafan26
_”it is not serving the people it needs to serve”_ should be the new motto of the rail !!! 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽
What you said, and additional to that, it really only makes sense for people who live or work along or very near to the rail. The vast majority of people will still have to take a bus the rest of the way or walk from the rail to their work.
When the concept for this rail was introduced years ago, I was fighting for the other option, which was to build additional elevated freeways over the existing ones… like by the airport on Paiea Street how the freeway is above you, it would be like that above the existing freeway. It makes way more sense, and was estimated to cost a fraction of what rail was estimated to cost at the time (but has grossly exceeded at this point). That would’ve been so much better because people who wanted to drive could do so, but buses would have been able to use it as well, so it would be serving literally EVERYONE that takes transportation to work. People voted for rail though, despite how much and I and others tried to convince them. 🤷🏽♀️
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom Originally the city council killed the project when they asked the person ( I don't remember who he was) how peop;le were to get to the rail since they weren't any park and rides near some of the main ones. He said they would have to come by bus. When asked if there was any money to expand the bus system he said no. So, Rene Mansho and Gary Gill changed their votes to no, since the rail then would have cost 6 billion to build and would then lose money for every mile it went past Middlestreet, and it would still not be reachable to the majority of people who were driving in traffic. Even the testifier said he would not use the rail because it would not get him where he needed to go either.
When I ran for office I ran against rail because it was the most obvious boondoggle in History. Fares haven’t even equaled 1 % of costs. Sustainability? This thing is killing the environment everyday. They already slaughtered the legacy trees at Dillingham by HCC. Outdoor circle should be ashamed to sponsor this behemoth waste and environmental disaster. Auwe Hawaiian iwi is haunting this thing to death.
They should stop the immigrants for living in O'ahu so that there will be no need for this rail..Overpopulation of humans killing O'ahu .
The decrease in carbon emitted by driving far outweighs old trees. As the area develops, its better for people to travel using a clean mode of transport than making highways congested and drastically increasing carbon emissions.
@@nathanpascas5488 Exactly this project uses more carbon emissions from the Electricity demands on the grid and we have no few cars being taken off the road with the ridership so low and the construction trucks that Nan inc and Kiewett uses have had huge emissions for the construction lasting decades. The cement trucks alone have emitted immense emissions and construction will be ongoing with diesel trucks for another decade for surely it will be closer to 2034 for it to be completed at a cost closer to 15 billion.
@@ericmarshall8097 You'd rather have those 3100 travelling in their own cars on the highway? Do you realize how much larger the emissions from that is bigger than an electrified train? Trains, even when not electrified are just *so much* more energy efficient for transportation than cars. And the concern about the construction trucks are ridiculous, they only last temporarily compared to the actual benefit of the train.
@@nathanpascas5488 temporary the trucks bulldozers and cranes have been causing traffic jams for over a decade and they will not cease till 2031+. And the reason they are even 3100 if any is because they eliminated the bus routes that were similar to the rail route forcing those previous bus riders to. E forced on the train. Look at the park and rides they are empty maybe 3% own cars. Sorry just the facts the footprint on Rail will never be surpassed by ridership being less.
Everything would be 100% ok if it went to Ala moana... How could they fck that up
They are working on it
If no one is using it, they need to cut back to meet the low demand and save taxpayer money.
Nice thought, but there’s one major problem. The Hitachi contract is a fixed expense that will last another 11 or 12 years. They could potentially save some of the remaining $40 million (this year) by suspending service, but I would bet my last dollar the city is not smart enough to do that.
“The rail system is now expected to cost the city $94 million to operate in its first year, including $54 million paid to the rail’s operator, Hitachi Rail Honolulu, according to Roger Morton, the city’s Transportation Services director.” civilbeat 5/10/2023
the current placement of the rail stations are part of the problem. should have made the rail stop at Pearlridge or Pearl Kai instead of down the road, same with Pearl Highlands station, no one wants to walk that distance plus risk their life crossing what is essentially a freeway on ramp to get to the shopping center. There should have had more opportunities for private investors to make food concessions or small businesses. at this point they maybe able to increase riders by opening the restrooms. hahaha
I said this was stupid from the get go.
1 year? You mean 10 year in making you can’t start at opening date about the cost reason the delays of opening that plays major factor just pointing it out there because it’s an experience.. and no it’s not in black due other things and loans use for it still need pay off.
I don't feel safe riding in the bus. The government never wake up and address that issue.
To expensive, 3.00 dollars not worth it.
Its 1 million a year to keep it on. For the 3 riders per year lying ass politicians
“The rail system is now expected to cost the city $94 million to operate in its first year, including $54 million paid to the rail’s operator, Hitachi Rail Honolulu, according to Roger Morton, the city’s Transportation Services director.” civilbeat 5/10/2023
Make it more accessible to more places and you can increase your ridership
They are expanding it still
LMAO
What a scam...
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That's what you get for living in Hawaii.😂
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“paid for by the government”
How naïve can you be? The feds are paying for 15.5% IF they can complete it to the imaginary “civic center” for $10 billion. Tourists pay for 14 - 15% of the GET supplement and some of the TAT destined for rail, but the Oahu taxpayers will be paying for the majority of rail construction. A $10 billion system that costs $100 million a year to maintain on an island with less than 1 million residents is sheer insanity.
the rusty fail will always fail
That's what you get for living in Hawaii always fail😂
Just a waste of money. Why is it taxis have to make money to stay in business, but the buss and rail don't?????? The people who were in favor of this thing, want everyone else to ride it. But they never will. How many elected officials ride this thing????
Riders will never come!!!!!
They are lying to all the people of Hawaii
Rail will never be finished on time and cost will Ballon over time!!!!!!!
What a joke!!!!!!!!
!!!ELGGODNOOB
so they’re going to outlaw cars and motorcycles?
Hopefully.