Do Buttercup and Westley find True Love in THE PRINCESS BRIDE?
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How do fairytale relationships differ from reality?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are taking a look at Westley and Buttercup’s relationship from The Princess Bride. Besides geeking out about a childhood classic, they talk about the difference between fairytale and real-life relationships and what pointers Jonathan would give to Westley and Buttercup if they existed outside of a fairy tale. Alan shares why The Princess Bride is so beloved to this today. Hint: it’s a perfect movie!
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Amazing movie and characters.
*As you wish.*
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Humperdink gets bars and that's part of the torture of the pit of despair.
Interesting fact: Mandy (who plays Inigo) states that the ending scene where he kills the Count helped heal him. His father had died of cancer and he said when he fought and killed the Count, he imagined he was fighting the cancer. That whole scene was him confronting cancer, "killing" it, and coming to terms with his father's death. That's why that scene is so powerful, emotional, and iconic. The audience felt his struggle and relief.
Fact checked this, and it’s true and that’s so amazing. ❤
I love that fact 😢❤
Wasn't he also insanely sick with the flu too?
“I want my father back, you son of a bitch”
I remember reading that somewhere and was like "Jesus." Such a powerful moment. Yeah the dialogue is funny but that one scene where Inigo confronts the count finally, it's like the laughter stops and all eyes are on Inigo
I also love the "guide to networking" that spawned from Inigo's saying.
1. Polite greeting ("Hello)
2. Name ("My name is Inigo Montoya")
3. Relevant personal connection ("You killed my father")
4. Set expectations ("Prepare to die")
I just filled it in with words of love and friendship and yes, this would most definitely work with creating a connection ❤
I.e. Hello, my name is ..., I love your Loki outfit, I'd like to create cosplay with you together. If someone said something like that to me, immediate start of a friendship 😍
Polite Greeting: "Attention: Somerset."
Name: "I am Star Colonel Nicolai Malthaus of Clan Jade Falcon."
Relevant Connection: "A full trinary stands ready to conquer your planet;"
Set Expectations: "what forces dare oppose us?"
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.
@@ChristineNighting😂😂😂 I suppose that IS “polite”? Certainly sets expectation accurately.
I did not know about that, but it's hilarious
In the novel, Westley's response to Buttercup saying she and Himperdink are married is "Widows happen" which I think is a fantastic line.
I agree; that is truly glorious. Shame it didn't make it in, though him pointing out she did not consent to marriage was pretty great in another way.
Lol, that would have been so funny!
That book is wild. The part that always gets me is that Westley should be shirtless and in blue jeans 😂😂
@@WynneL Yeah I like that better, because it challenges how in some fairytales the woman will often be forced to marry someone they don't want. This kind of goes "Well technically you were forced so if it was forced it doesn't count"
Kind of Han Soloish
I actually got to meet Cary Elwes the other day at an event, and he was the nicest guy. Recognized that I froze when it was my turn to get pictures taken with him, and rather than being rude or crass about it, he got down to my level (i'm in a wheelchair, and significantly shorter than other people) and used a quiet voice to try and calm me down and say it was ok. Even talked to me for a little bit. He really didn't have to be that accommodating, but I very much appreciated it. I'll never forget it. Every bit as charming in real life as he is in the movie
I always associate him more with men in tights for some weird reason.
Honestly? Don't remember much of that movie. This one, however, I was raised on. Maybe I should give it a re-watch?@@Justanotherconsumer
Did you also get his book? If so, we may have been at a similar event.😂
It’s wonderful to hear he’s a nice man!
yes, I did, actually. Signed and everything lol@@alexthomer2067
Hello. My name Is Johnathan Decker. Licensed Therapist. You made Alan cry. Prepare to die.
Oh wow, can you imagine the amount of blood I'd have on my hands if I killed everyone who's made Alan cry?
Would Pixar even have staff left if he really did this?
yesss😂😂😂
LOLOLOL comment win
@@CinemaTherapyShowThat is the best comment/response yet. Good job, both of you.
"Your mental health is struggling, prepare for healing" boy if that isn't the best way to say "Thanks for coming to my therapy session" hahaha
For real, right? 😂
No, seriously! This needs to be on a shirt or mug!
We want merch with that quote 😂
I met Cary Elwes and I did NOT want to be that person who asked him to say "As You Wish" for the millionth time. But as I asked him if he could sign my copy of his book he said "as you wish" and I about died! He is SO kind and patient and lovely. I really hope I get the chance to meet more of the cast someday.
Wonderful video and so happy to see how much you both love this movie!!
every person that has met Cary said he's such a gentleman. I really hope I can meet him one day
I don't meet many celebrities, but maybe I should try to meet him
omg, I would SO fangirl at that 😂❤😂❤😂❤
“Healthy sacrifice is putting your partner before yourself, unhealthy sacrifice is putting your partner instead of yourself.” Yet another quote I need to write down.
"Death cannot ruin true love."
Alan: It can. 🙂
Jono here. I could not believe he said that, haha!
I mean, he's not wrong..! It's entirely legit to be engaged to someone else if you're told your lover is dead and they make no effort to contact you to tell you they aren't for FIVE YEARS!
Westley out here with the OG ghosting, yet he's the one who gets to be indignant?! 😂
If he's close enough to her area that he's able to keep tabs on her then he's had no excuse and anyone who'd let me believe they were dead like that doesn't seem like a 'true love'.
@@helenl3193 You're making a lot of assumptions there. Westley didn't just F off for 5 years and let Buttercup think he was dead. He was gone for 5 years without any way of safely making contact with her.
3 of those years were spent as a prisoner of sorts on Robert's Ship with presumably no way of even attempting to make contact. At that point he was told about the Robert's persona and the title was transferred to him. We have absolutely no idea where Westley was in relation to Buttercup when that transfer happened but if you know anything about sea voyages on the types of ships we see in this story you would know that a voyage taking 2 years isn't unusual, let alone out of the realm of possibility.
That aside, when he finally had his freedom he was now a notorious pirate captain with a pirate crew to contend with. He couldn't just beeline it home as that would have gotten himself and/or Buttercup killed and any careless communication might have ended in the same result. He had to first build trust with his crew by playing the part of a great pirate captain so that they wouldn't think much about him going off on his own for a while for whatever reason which isn't something he could have rushed.
There's a quote from the newest movie Lisa Frankenstein (which I REALLY want them to cover along with a woman talking about the female gaze and how it works for the film) that says "Death is temporary. I'll love you forever." Probably a little more realistic
I haven't read the book, but I know how the book ends. And I wish they talked about it! 😅
The Princess Bride is how I knew that my husband was "the one". Early on, I asked him what his favorite movie was, and he said "The Princess Bride", and I basically accused him of lying. To prove it, he sent me a picture of 20th anniversary edition DVD that he had in his possession, and then later that week he brought it over and he quoted pretty much the whole thing while we watched it. This is THE BEST movie ever.
I'd have told you to marry him on the spot 😂😂😂
That last "as you wish" from the grandpa is such a powerful line. It means "I love you" as an expression of non-romantic love between family and friends. "As you wish" can be used in various ways to say I love you.
I’ve always thought of Cary Elwes saying in interviews that it’s not often that an actor is involved in a film and they know that that’s what they’ll be remembered as forever. I remember him saying something along the lines of, “when I pass away, people will say, ‘Westley died.’ I’ll probably have ‘mostly dead’ on my gravestone.” That’s crazy.
Hey, the man knows what he wants. Maybe people don't know and never have the chance to really get it down in time. It's a badass thing to put on his tombstone and he deserves it more than anyone else. (I only hope people don't try and dig him up to Miracle Max him back.)
I hope he's at peace with that and doesn't have to struggle with it for decades like Leonard Nimoy did.
@@adde9506 It helps that Cary Elwes went on to star in a bunch more iconic roles. His Robin Hood is just as good as his Westley.
I wanna see "mostly dead" on his gravestone now 😂😂😂
In a good long time from now, of course.
"Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist." *- Westley*
This movie is so quotable!!
Like they said. I've never once watched this movie without saying every line of dialogue, so no one but my sister and I can watch together. We would take turns being the parts, same for Ghostbusters, Lost Boys, Labyrinth and Bill and Ted. Now that she's gone, there's no one to act them out with. Love for certain movies are also embedded in the people you watch them with.
Sorry for your loss, @@harvestmoon_autumnskyI hope those movies are a source of comfort and good memories for you. She's still with you, in some ways. Also, excellent taste in movies!
"They're only noodles, Michael"
@@harvestmoon_autumnsky I'm sorry for that tough loss. It's bittersweet when I think of shared pleasures with people I've lost, but oh, such warm memories. She's there with you in spirit. Go ahead and laugh with her. Peace to you, my friend.
Now I'm wondering if this movie would improve or get worse with Skaven on it.
This is my family’s comfort movie. Whenever one of us is in the hospital, one of us will show up to read this book to make the hospitalized party cheer up. Shortly after my parents divorced my mom ended up hospitalized. I was out of town but she still woke up to find my dad sitting next to her with the Princess Bride. She was so confused, saying that they were divorced now. And he just told her that they were still family. It gave me a lot of comfort to know that despite the problems that led to their divorce they still loved each other as family and would still support and care for each other. I feel extremely lucky for the care and consideration my parents have for each other and the Princess Bride will always remind me of that fact.
that is beautiful
Wow, kudos to your parents for being able to still love each other even though not in love with each other. It's a hard balance to get, but it's so wonderful for you (& any siblings) and also for them.
Oh, man! I cried reading this comment. So glad they decided to remain family. 🥰
Awwww, that’s so sweet. :) That’s true love, in its own way. :)
@@anyviolet it’s one of my favorite memories of my parents post divorce. Just coming home to go see my mom and hearing her tell me what happened and how happy and relieved it made her feel.
My daughter met Cary Elwes at a Con a few weeks ago. She was dressed as Dread Pirate Roberts and he was so kind and complimentary to her. And they got a picture together. He’s so nice!
Okay that's so adorable 🥹🥹
I loved “Life is Pain. Anyone who says anything else is selling something.” So much truth in that phrase.
It’s one of my favourite lines. Though has slightly fewer relevant uses than “that word you keep using; I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Inigo Montoya and Fezzik are absolutely icons of masculinity. Sure they play the role of scary villains but at heart they're romantic in the extreme, they know how to be friends without being cruel, they have gentle jokes... Even counting Inigo's revenge obsession, they're the best men in movies. I love them.
They’re also willing and able to be vulnerable and deal with their emotions without fear of being weakened by doing so
How could you not love guys who rhyme to each other?
The moment that made me fall in love with Inigo was the moment he came up to Fezzik to play rhymes with him after Vizzini made him feel like dirt. Screw fencing, this is what I wanna see in a cool character!
@@JaneXemylixa💯 Get you a man who can do both the physical fighting, and the emotional care. ❤
(I mean, in my case it's mostly helping with the DIY rather than wrestling/fencing, but good cardio + emotional intelligence is always gonna be a winning combo, whatever you're lifestyle!)
I believe the original novel made the point that Wes and Buttercup had a lot of work to do before getting to happily ever after, but I can see why the movie went the more straightforward route. I was fortunate enough to get to meet Cary Elwes for a fan signing several years back, and he fully admitted this was the most fun he's had on any project he worked on.
The re-written novel by William Goldberg did a lot of editing of S. Morgenstern's version, and Goldberg would literally be like "this chapter is boring and dumb, I'm skipping it" 😂
@@Sevenpuddingsx there is no original S. Morgenstern version! The book being the abridged version of something longer and boring is the joke. (I don't mean to Um Actually you I just think it's a genius way to do a comedy)
Oh God the book Westley and Buttercup made me wanna tear my hair out
Yeah, although when Christopher Guest knocked him unconscious in the movie, he accidentally did it for real. That part must have been a stressful experience for everyone
@@Sevenpuddingsx The novel is by Goldman. And it's being an abridment is a conceit. That said, one of my top ten favorite books.
I always got the impression that after the scene with the pitcher, they had an actual relationship for a bit, and the scene where Westley says goodbye happens like a while later
Yes. The movie very clearly wants the viewer to understand that they have a solidly established relationship of True Love. I'm not sure how Jono missed that.
A nice little story that actually happened when I was working as a horse trainer. There was this beautiful and talented gelding that I was training for his owner to sell. He was the most willing and amazing partner to work with. Incredible athletic talent and a heart of gold. He always wanted to do everything that was asked of him. A teenage girl ended up buying him, and she was amazed by how willing he was to do anything she asked. She ended up changing his barn name to Wesley, and his show name was, of course, "As You Wish". When she told me of his new name, I automatically felt the feels. Sad statement though, the barn owner didn't understand the reference.
As someone who grew up around horses, I love this little story
OMG the first Cinema Therapy where they go the length of actually cosplaying... Is PRINCESS BRIDE.
Amazing, and I approve.
We did it with Indiana Jones first, and Star Trek :) But more to come!
@@CinemaTherapyShowthis is my Friend Mitchell’s favorite movie.
And then they say that this movie is not all good relationship advice?
Why then was I a pirate for five years???
@@MonkeyJedi99 Not to mention the money wasted on iocaine powder
The funniest part for me is that I definitely noticed Alan was dressed up but my immediate thought was zorro and with Johnathan I thought "hmm, interesting shirt choice" and I feel so dumb for not realizing now. 🙈
I love that when you watched the rolling down the hill scene Alan immediately not only spoke about how that was in fact a stuntman but how stuntwomen have been overlooked in the history of filmmaking
There are shorts that have been coming up for me on here of a stunt woman and a gymnast going through whatever the two are capable of. It's like watching two human golden retrievers and I really want to know how many stunt women are in the industry as well as who is considered the best at which stunts. It's one of the good things about the Internet.
@@graygreysangui corridor crew has stunt woman reacts videos! I feel like they are great for learning more about women in the industry
7:44 "If I had pearls, I would clutch them" IS SUCH A PERFECT LINE, I AM USING THAT 😂😭😭
That was pretty hilarious!
I bought the book out of the discount pile on my first day of college because I liked the cover...that evening, I'm reading it, and when I reach, "I am not left handed," I yell "HA!!" and immediately apologize to my startled roommate. Who was even more startled when I got to "I'm not left handed, either," let out a loud whoop, and threw the book in the air... These are things I've never done reading any other book, before or since, and it took a few additional weeks to persuade my roomie I wasn't entirely insane 😅
I loved that they made Buttercup a strong female character, and not a damsel who relys on a man to save her. She speaks her mind, doesn't hesitate to fight the ROUS, and even tries to swim away after she's kidnapped.
I love that speech she gives Humperdink. It's so defiant.
And she shoves him down a hill to escape. She does everything she can to escape.
YES!!! And they do it in a realistic way! No, she's a farm girl, she wouldn't magically be the best with a sword in the kingdom. But she's not just gonna roll over and let men do whatever they want to her.
in the book she was rather dim. so this is a nice change
Also, love how she's not intimidated by Inigo, Fezzik, and Vizzini. Maybe in the beginning she is, but after a while, she sees just how pathetic Vizzini is and questions to how the other two even put up with him.
Rarely have I clicked on a RUclips video notification so quickly
Me too!!!
@@pamelamccollum5216 Same!
Same! 😅 been waiting for this 🙌
Same!! 👏🏻
SAME!
Princess Bride was my “Dungeons and Dragons” movie for so many years. It had such a great mix of action, great sword fights, drama, humor, quotes & catchphrases, giant monsters, a Giant (named Andre), locations like “The Cliffs of Insanity!!”, and basically captured the kind of things we always strive to capture in a good D&D game.
I'm so happy this movie was covered. It's one of my personal favorites because the dialogue is funny as hell, Cary and Robin are REALLY fine, and the lead characters were actually likeable (mainly Buttercup and Westley). I remember reading the book a long time ago (there was a book first) and the parody of the fairytale is SO MUCH STRONGER. Buttercup is...I'll cut to the chase, she wasn't smart. Westley had to spell things out for her and often was annoyed when she wasn't picking up on things. He only "loved her" for her looks and not her personality. Same goes for Buttercup. She never glanced Westley's way until she saw the Countess (only found in the book) staring at Westley, checking him out, and realized that she was jealous (took an entire evening for her to realize that). In the movie, Buttercup is a lot more faster on picking things up. I always thought that she didn't pick up on the fact that Westley was actually Dread Pirate Roberts because she wasn't used to that particular tone. Westley at the beginning spoke to her in a more soft manner, so a much more aggressive tone would throw her off.
Plus, she thought he was dead, and it had been 5 years since she'd seen him.
Fans: Cinema Therapy, make a video about The Princess Bride.
Cinema Therapy: As you wish.
This is such a wonderful movie with one of the best group of characters ever and I hope we can get more videos about the film in the future!
You beat me to it. 😅
How about a Hero Therapy for Inigo Montoya? What would be a healthy way to handle the murder of a loved one?
@@Valdagast and/or one about the relationship between Inigo and Fezic
Agreed, the characters are so memorable, they could each easily have their own Villain/Hero Therapy video.
I love this movie so much I bought the book it was based on.
When Allen was talking about flat cinematography and lighting and stuff i actually feel like it adds to the vibe of a stage play. Like it is in the imagination of the kid hearing the story building a simple but vivid picture of the scenes his grandpa is reading to him. It kind of makes the movie better to me lol
Yeah I feel like it was a bit more intentional than just a budget or talent thing.
Agreed! But I also think, like Alan said, it's because the story and writing and performances are so good, it makes everything else about the production seem charming instead of cheap. The story and performances act like rose-colored glasses and make the fake backdrops and simple scenery seem like a magical world where of course true love and perilous adventure exist.
Yeah there’s some brilliant stage-play films that really excel by script and performance alone even when they clearly feel restricted in direction. 12 Angry Men is the most confined yet enthralling. Or also Lion in Winter, Glengarry Glenn Ross, Rope, Phone Booth, Locke, Dog Day Afternoon, My Dinner with Andre, Reservoir Dogs, 10 Cloverfield Lane (even Hateful Eight though the direction is a lot more stylistic).
My dad's favorite movie is The Princess Bride. I remember watching it again one time when I was 15 with him and after the fire swamp bit with the ROUS, my dad paused the movie and said, "I never understood why he said he didn't Believe in ROUSes. He saw one RIGHT THERE." And it explained so much about my dad (he's pretty restrained emotionally... Several problems between us there) especially when I said, "But BUTTERCUP hadn't seen it, so he was trying to keep her calm. Because he loves her. And knows that if she panicked, it would only make their situation worse." My dad stood there blank-faced at me like, "Yeah, no, still don't get it." It is the only thing I think about during that scene now lol
Wonder what he didn't get? 🤔
In the book, _The Princess Bride_ was the recollection of a story told to a now-adult-author by his father when he was sick. The author loved this story, told everyone he loved this story, and people would read it and be confused why he loved it so much. Turns out, the book he was being read from, a book with the title _The Princess Bride_ that he could find, that he could hold, did not have the story he remembered being read. It was a history book. His father made it all up on the spot. So, since the book wasn't his favorite story, he went ahead and wrote the story to rectify this. Grandpa reading a book to his sick grandson reflects this premise. Even when it wouldn't technically be required for the movie to function, it would have been sorely missed to readers to not have this dynamic somehow in the movie. It is one of the best adaptations.
It helps enormously that the author was also the screenwriter.
@@nerissarowan8119 In this case, it absolutely did.
"As you wish." Westley and Buttercup are couple goals, much like Morticia and Gomez. In real life, Robin Wright and Cary Elwys apparently had mutual crushes on each other, but never acted on them, which helped with their onscreen chemistry.
Aww, that's so cute.
Well, to be fair, of course they did! Who wouldn’t have a crush on either of them? I’m bi, so I have a crush on BOTH of them! 😂 ❤
@@DawnDavidsonYo same! Someone else gets the struggle! 😂😂😂
@@DawnDavidsonam straight, but he's at least the kind of guy I'd lose a game of gay chicken to
I mean…
Every year on my birthday, I take off of work, my wife makes me Sheppard's Pie, and we watch The Princess Bride.
It's truly a masterpiece.
That is so wholesome 😊
That sounds delightful
Had sheppards pie on my birthday for the first time in years. This would have capped it off perfectly!!!
This made my heart happy 🥰 love and well wishes for the both of you!!
You guys could do an episode for every character in this movie, and I would watch every single one. Loved this
What I love is that the story being through the lens of a grandfather reading to his sick grandchild means it almost perfectly mirrors how the book is written.
The gimmick is that it's an "abridged" version, being the version the author remembers being read to him by his father as a child. But in reality, the "original" story doesn't exist. It was always meant to be a bedtime story, imperfect and charming, with no boring parts and all of the good parts.
Do another one that focuses on Inigo! The friendship between him and Fezzik is legendary!
This. They make a couple as good as Buttercup and Westley, if not better ❤
Yes, please.
Yes!
And his revenge mindset.
Friendship goals
Friendship goals!
The Princess Bride is the ultimate comfort film, its just a perfect film. Missed opportunity at the end "Have fun storming the castle!"
Yesssssssss!!!!!!! ❤
Damn! They absolutely should have said that! Can’t believe they missed it.
This script is a concatenation of memorable quotes! I could cite lots of them from the top of my head, I love this movie to bits! ❤
It would be impossible to mention all its perfect quotes other than a complete read-through 😊
@skyfire872 Ya think it’ll work?
@@jensenrogers6611It'll take a miracle.
I loved Alan being confused and grossed out about relationship sleuthing to the theme of the very best alien sci-fi show. First, funny editing. Second and more importantly, proof of his level of health and maturity that such actions are weird to him.
Please please do a follow up episode with Inigo Montoya and his revenge arc - he lowkey was still kind, polite, and made friends along the way 😭😭
I love the end scene parallel from the line "As you wish." as it shows that such a phrase not only means "I love you" but "I will do anything to ensure you feel valued and safe." Remember, Wesley fought giant animals and overthrew a kingdom for Buttercup. Hence, the narrator despite the different dynamic, shows that he places the same value on his grandson, which tells us everything we need to know about their relationship.
15:16 I have to concur with Jon and Alan. As a tomboyish girl I initially had no interest in seeing a movie called "The Princess Bride" my parents convinced me with "its got sword fighting, and betrayal, and giant rats"
Same! Me and my sister did NOT want to watch another princess movie, and all my dad said was “Well *I* do.” and we were hooked lmao
Same! My parents loved the movie and had us watch it.
My 8 year old ADHD ass did not want to watch it until he heard that it had swordfights and other badass stuff.
Same for me, I hated Disney princess flicks and this seemed like yet another of them, then I heard Peter Falk (aka Columbo) was in and decided to endure it because I always found his comedy funny asf.
Jono: “to this day I’m not sure about wedding law”
Alan: “YOURE A MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPIST”
Killed me😂😂😂😂
How could you? How could you possibly skip the sword fight between Wesley and Inego? That was one of the best pieces of cinema ever put to screen.
"You seem a decent fellow. I hate to kill you"
@@billieking2257 "you seem a decent fellow, I hate to die."
"You wouldn't happen to have six fingers on your right hand?"
@@sarahlandis289 "You always start conversations like this?"
I disagree that Wesley kidnaps and then continuously insults Buttercup as some kind of test to see if she still loves him. He is clearly ANGRY to find out that he fought his way back to her after enduring three years of mental torment, being told every night by his captor every night, "I'll most likely kill you in the morning," only to find out she is engaged to a prince. He STILL loves her, so when he finds out she is in danger, of course he feels a NEED to save her, maybe even to return her to Humperdinck (notice that his first instinct when he sees the riders on top of the ridge isn't to run away; in fact, they don't run from the royal hunting party until Wesley has revealed himself to Buttercup). So his love for her overrules his anger far enough to make him want to save her.
BUT, he's mad at her deep down for not waiting for him. And the longer he looks at her in bright silk riding habit, so different from the earthtone homespuns she used to wear, the more he remembers the anger. THAT is why in the previous hillside scene to the one you showed, he scoffs at the worth of "the promise of a woman," and when Buttercup yells at him that she has "loved more deeply than a killer like yourself could ever DREAM," he does the foulest thing of all, which is to raise his hand to strike her. Even though he doesn't follow through, to me that is Wesley's most egregious action in the entire movie, and the only one that makes me mad at him. But his next line is very telling when he says to her that he's giving her a warning that next time he will follow through because "Where I come from there are penalties when a woman lies."
He's not testing her to see if she still loves him; he believes that she never did, not truly. Because if it had been _true_ love for her, she would not have engaged herself to Humperdinck.
He is all kinds of WRONG, of course, and he has no idea what she has been through these last 5 years, assuming it was very easy on her. ALL KINDS of wrong. But that is the reason he is, as Buttercup tells him, "cruel to her." He isn't testing to see if she loves him; he believes she never really did.
Yeah I agree I mean he might have relayed the story of the previous dread pirate Roberts kind of like it was no big deal and a bit funny/joke and maybe it was to him now but he was told every night he might be killed in the morning that’s got to mess with your head. He and “Ryan” may have become friends but they weren’t straight away so it wasn’t like an idle threat he was at the guy’s mercy.
Nailed it! And then we get the complete reversal later on the bed. "Never happened."
Westley has no way to know what happened in the church. For all he knew she thought he was dead all over again because, well, he was (mostly). Even Buttercup herself is pretty sure she betrayed him.
But no, she promised that she would never doubt again and this time Westley displays complete trust and faith in her that she didn't, even when she isn't so sure herself.
Thank you! I was super confused the internet dad's kept saying Wesley kidnapped Buttercup
I was sitting there like, wait didn't Vizzini kidnap her (on the orders of Prince Humperdink), and Wesley RESCUED her (just didn't give her back to the prince) which was WHY he fought Inigo Montoya and Fezzik
@@simplepengyWell as Vizzini put it you're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen. He wasn't far wrong from a certain point of view.
All of this. He is clearly angry at Buttercup and the anger never really goes away until she says "You mocked me once, never do it again! I died that day!" That was enough for him to know she did in fact still love him and grieved his death. I think it REALLY went away after she tumbled down after him when she pushed him saying "You can die too for all I care!" and he responded with "As you wish!" It showed her devotion to him and that when the opportunity arises, she'll always chose him.
Even as a child I understood this movie was parody. But like you pointed out, it's not only making fun.
In the beginning, they're like children with crushes. But after they were separated, they become full characters, through devastation and loss on Buttercup's side, and hardship, survival, and precieved betrayal on Westley's. How they reconnect, understand each other, and prevail is part of what adds depth to the comedy and charm of the movie.
If you’ve ever checked out the book, the narrator says that when his grandfather and father read this book to him, they would always skip the twelve whole pages of what the Queen packed just for her trip to another kingdom and only two pages on the actual visit and then another twelve on the return trip. It’s definitely satire, which basically formed my whole sense of humor.
Fun fact: I got to meet Chris Sarandon about 10 years ago (he’s a WV native and did a residency at West Virginia University)… he is SUCH a nice guy!! He’d injured his wrist so we couldn’t shake hands but he gave me a fist-bump instead: one of the best moments of my life!
My husband and I love this movie so much, we themed our wedding after it. My amazing uncle even officiated and did the whole "mawwage" speech. And on the inside of my engagement ring is an engraving: As you wish.
My uncle also officiated my wedding, and although it wasn't Princess Bride themed, we also did the "mawwage" thing 😂
Hi, pastor here.
I learned that the only thing that needs to happen in a wedding for it to be legally binding is for the question to be asked and the "I dos" to be said. So. From what I understand, Westley is right. (Though usually, people want more than just that at their wedding. Usually.) :)
Thank you. This is comment I was looking for.
Historically, this was not always the case. At one time, the couple would stand/kneel before the minister who would say the wedding script and pronounce them man and wife. No "I do's".
Greek Orthodox weddings don’t have spoken vows but there are lots of rituals done 3 times. It’s still legal though.
In catholic marriage too: the spouses have to literally "pronounce the vows" for it to be legal, at least according to the Cathechism: . In the Latin Rite, even the benediction of the priest is not mandatory, since the spouses are the real celebrants of the sacrament, the priest being just there to represent the Church (both the institution with its law, and the community of the faithful) the spouses are marrying into.
"1626 The Church holds the exchange of consent between the spouses to be the indispensable element that "makes the marriage."127 If consent is lacking there is no marriage.
1627 The consent consists in a "human act by which the partners mutually give themselves to each other": "I take you to be my wife" - "I take you to be my husband."128 This consent that binds the spouses to each other finds its fulfillment in the two "becoming one flesh."129
1628 The consent must be an act of the will of each of the contracting parties, free of coercion or grave external fear.130 No human power can substitute for this consent.131 If this freedom is lacking the marriage is invalid.
1629 For this reason (or for other reasons that render the marriage null and void) the Church, after an examination of the situation by the competent ecclesiastical tribunal, can declare the nullity of a marriage, i.e., that the marriage never existed.132 In this case the contracting parties are free to marry, provided the natural obligations of a previous union are discharged.133
1630 The priest (or deacon) who assists at the celebration of a marriage receives the consent of the spouses in the name of the Church and gives the blessing of the Church. The presence of the Church's minister (and also of the witnesses) visibly expresses the fact that marriage is an ecclesial reality.
1631 This is the reason why the Church normally requires that the faithful contract marriage according to the ecclesiastical form. Several reasons converge to explain this requirement:134
- Sacramental marriage is a liturgical act. It is therefore appropriate that it should be celebrated in the public liturgy of the Church;
- Marriage introduces one into an ecclesial order, and creates rights and duties in the Church between the spouses and towards their children;
- Since marriage is a state of life in the Church, certainty about it is necessary (hence the obligation to have witnesses);
- The public character of the consent protects the "I do" once given and helps the spouses remain faithful to it."
So actually Westley is right, at least for the Catholic Church. Moreover, Buttercup's marriage is invalid also because her consent wasn't free and the marriage has been coerced on her. So she's not really married, for the Catholic CHurch.
That’s a good point. It’s not really surprising that Prince Humperdinck would have a flawed understanding of the necessary parts of the liturgy. Whether or not the priest declares the couple married is actually irrelevant. Do they consent to each other as spouses?
The amazing thing about this movie, the way it's written, you can literally excuse any flaws in the plot, characters, logic, etc. as a flaw of the original story that the grandpa is reading, and what we're seeing is just that story, warts and all, now also being filtered through the kid's mind. So even its flaws become part of the charm of the conceit. It's basically critic-proof. Ingenious.
Oh, my god. Barely one second of the strains of "Storybook Love", and I'm all choked up! Mark Knopfler really deserves so much credit. I listened to the soundtrack cassette tape until I wore it out! (* mostly * the love theme with and without words, and The Cliffs of Insanity!)
Also! I was SO expecting the editor to throw in that Spaceballs clip after Alan's comment about the stunt man in drag: "You idiots! You've captured their stunt doubles!" and the Princess Vespa double with his ciggie hanging and his stubble, lol.
The joy of seeing my internet dads in cosplay for this episode is indescribable.
I love you guys. Y'all are awesome, and you look great.
Thanks! 😁
It's giving me uncomfortable feelings though... Might have crossed into Zaddy territory 😅
the hair flip was almoat everything @@CinemaTherapyShow
It’s inconceivable, even!
I love all of this movie to bits, but the greatest scene in the entire movie has nothing to do with the fairytale narrative.
Hands down, the best scene is when the grandson tells his grandfather that it would be okay if he comes back and reads the book again tomorrow, and the only words the grandfather says are, "As you wish." I choke up every. single. time.
Hell, I'm not even watching the movie right now and I'm tearing up. It's such a beautiful setup throughout the entire movie and that callback is perfection.
I lost my grandfather last year, February 2023, and when I started to rewatch the film, the final scene made me miss him so much. He was a good man who encouraged my love for stories. RIP, Pop-Pop ❤️❤️
I love that this was posted when I recently went to a viewing of Princess Bride where Cary Elwes talked afterwards (wonderful experience, he's a gem). The universe is pushing the movie back into my life and I'm here for it.
This is one film where if you've read the book, it gets even better. The framing story makes more sense, and you get to giggle at nothing as the editor's notes float through your head while you watch ("before Paris? When is this set?").
Paraphrasing, but the part that always stuck with me went something like, "How can this be after America but before glamor when glamor is an ancient concept (see 'glamour')".
Yes! There's another note where the editor questioned how something could be after America but before glamour and says something about glamour being an ancient concept.
I loved this movie growing up. This one and "Men in Tights" made my childhood.
Another childhood classic!
"We're men - manly men!"
OK, that's my evening sorted!
@@helenl3193Meeeeeeeen in TIGHTS! Tight TIGHTS!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Oh yes! Cover that one, too!
Andre the giant always wanted to do a movie like this and he got his wish before becoming later sick and die young. This movie is precious in so many ways!
he also said in an interview he liked working on this film because "No one looked at me" meaning he was treated as an equal rather than "Oh God. Giant man."
Out of 100 years of movies that I've been shown over my 50years THIS is my favorite movie. I was 14 when I saw this in the theatres - my dad won tickets to the premiere and I left in love with a new blue eyed blonde boy (first was another blue eyed poet, Simon le Bon) that really did set my standard for dating for decades, lol. This movie has everything and is THE perfect family movie, or a date movie. 40 years later and this movie still holds up. The way is was shot hasn't aged it in any way; the effects still hold up. Thanks for agreeing that this is the perfect fairy tale; when I saw you were therapizing Wesley and Buttercup my heart got stuck in my throat for a sec; I was unsure if you'd trash the movie or not. Should have kept the faith that you'd see this movie for all it's glory.
the way my eyes just BUGGED at the smoke alan sends to his parents' marriage is WILDDDDD.
The ONE character Puss in Boots didn't parody was the sword-wielding Spaniard on a quest for vengeance. Never made sense.
I mean, Puss is a very old character, but the version of him in Shrek is definitely more like Zorro than anything else.
You didn't watch the first Puss in Boots movie, did you?
@burdeegirl which is the entire reason he's played by Antonio Banderas
I haven't, actually. @@Tzarina8472
I think you got the wrong sword-wielding spaniard in mind
You guys seriously need to read the book. The framing of a story within a story is a call to William Goldman's writing style. He even writes a chapter to a sequel that never happened. It is one of the best narrations I have ever read. It is a fictional telling about how the storybook in question inspired the writer to become a writer and he creates a whole backstory and everything. Must read!!❤
We had a friend officiate our wedding ceremony. He did the whole speech by Peter Cook. He had found a mitre which he wore too to really get into character. It was ‘wove, twu wove’.
I did that speech for a friend’s wedding… before being “replaced” by the actual celebrant - the people who were fans really got into it but it confused a lot of other people. 😊
You know, I wasn't expecting a TFS clip, but I'm here for it.
I now love the part where Buttercup and Westly are talking about the i dos and how Jono talks about forgiving quickly and how it never happened. My dad and I didnt have a good relationship growing up. We both have done things we are not proud of. On my wedding day, we were doing our father daughter dance and I started to apologize for how I treated him and all the bad stuff that happened. He hugged me tight and told me to not worry about it. His version of it never happened. That moment brought healing to our relationship. We are not close by any means, but its a lot better from when I was a kid. Love this movie!!! True love and marriage are what brings us together today! :D
A great movie with a healthy progression in the relationship is My Big Fat Greek Wedding.
That’s why it’s a great film❤.
Yeah! It's such a sweet movie!
All three of the movies are great comfort ones. The main relationship is the best though. They never lost the chemistry.
This is my comfort movie. From childhood into adulthood, if I’m sick or having a bad day, this movie never fails to make me feel better❤
Wait nooooo, missed opportunity here by the editors with that last clip! Cary Elwes has played TWO different Ghibli characters across three different movies. One is Curtis in Porco Rosso, the other is Baron in Whisper of the Heart and the Cat Returns. Growing up as a sheltered kid I never heard of the Princess Bride until I was in late high school. Starting around 12 I was obsessed with the Cat Returns and was a beta editor for one of the more prolific writers in the community on fanfiction,net. She wrote one fic that was like a mashup of Princess Bride and the Cat Returns, so I borrowed the dvd from my library and fell in love with it. Thanks to that writer I got to discover so many amazing stories and pieces of art, I'm still really thankful for her
Proof of how good this movie is is the video that was made during COVID shutdown with a bunch of different actors, bad shots and homemade costumes and it’s still great!
Indeed!
That is SUCH a great homage! I loved it!
The frame-story is ABSOLUTELY necessary! It's the perfect explanation why the movie is so lightheartedly wholesome, because it's a little boy altering on the go what he doesn't like. It's basically a kid playing Masked Hero
This came out while I was in acting school and our teacher used it to teach subtext. Every time they say anything to each other (Wesley and Buttercup) they are really saying ‘I love you’. Such a fun fun movie!
Best dialogue ever. Every line is perfection
“As you wish.” ❤
The only acceptable remake I will ever watch of this is if The Muppets do it. Otherwise, this is perfection, not just for the story, but for the amazing actors and the chemistry they all had. I love that Buttercup was allowed to be vulnerable without being lesser. She was thrust into these situations she had not context for and did her best with what she had. Westley was a farm boy who survived a pirate attack and became the pirate. They both grew up and fell in love all over again. I could go on, but thank you for looking at my favorite movie.
Ok, that had never occurred to me as an option, but now I want a muppet version too.
OH MY GOD!! Yes! Of course the Muppets should do this. Right after they do The Matrix.
Who would be the human(s) tho? Or do it fully muppets? What about the framing story?
@@caylem00I think Westley should be human, with Ms. Piggy as Buttercup.
@@caylem00Everyone's a muppet except the grandson. 🤣
I had a recording of this on an old VHS with commercials I'd fast-forwarded through so often I eventually ruined the tape. I *adored* this movie. So much about it is perfect.
And OMG her wedding dress is lovely.
Also, I think part of what made this movie aside from the perfect scrip/strong performances is that everyone seems like they are having a REALLY GOOD TIME making it. Sometimes that shines through, particularly if a movie has elements or aspects that are silly. The more joy the actors feel they more they can imbue in the final product. That just seems to be present in every shot of this film.
Going through a rough breakup and you guys couldn’t have uploaded at a better time
I grew up also as a hopeless romantic and for a long time I based real life off of the movies I loved so much. Thank you for reviews like this where you can simultaneously enjoy the art while also acknowledging the reality of our world if it were based off the material, love you guys ❤
We're sorry you're going through that. Sending a big internet hug and we're glad to help lift your spirits! 🫂 Thanks for watching!
You have to give consent to get married (which is why you can't get married younger than whatever a state's "age of consent" is) -- the officiator doesn't marry you, you marry each other, and he/she officiates. So Westley is right. Buttercup never got married. That said, you made a great point about forgiveness in general.
I LOVE this pretty-much-perfect movie and always glad to see others appreciating all the funny parts. Thanks for reacting and for the commentary on true love.
Lol, Gandalf sitting up when Alan drops the sword! He didn't know Alan was going to do that, either!
This is mine and my husband's favourite movie of all time. If your looking for any genre of movie, the Princess Bride has a bit of everything. Such an iconic and quotable movie.
My partner and I were discussing this movie on the subway the other day. He had said something to which I replied “...only mostly dead”.
The quote sparked a conversation about the movie, and how we felt back when it came out. See, my grandma had gotten it for my brother and I when we were kids and we put it on our of curiosity. My grandma way the type of person who always ALWAYS bought kids books so we assumed it would be a “boring” movie no one cares about. So when we watched it and absolutely LOVED it, we were surprised. I don't know about him, but I ended up growing up thinking that no one else really knew about it. So you can imagine my surprise when I'm my 20's I was at a convention and there was an entire room full of people watching it! They all knew the same quotes I did and we all laughed together at the funny parts. I couldn't believe so many people had also watched this little gem in the rough!
Back to the other day, I come to find that my partner has the same assumption growing up. He couldn't remember when he first watched it, but he too was surprised at how much of a classic it had become. When I said I was so glad that I knew of its amazingness from the start, he said “It's a cult classic, you were just part of that cult.”
So I was yet again surprised to see you guys cover it so soon after that conversation!
That's a cool story! My dad and I always quote the movie to each other, and my favorite part to quote is the "only mostly dead" that miracle max says, and that you referenced.
@@GH62713 thanks, yeah we say it a lot too. I think because we were on the subway and there wasn't anything else to do really, we turned the quote into a conversation lol.
Have a great rest of your day.
@@paranoiarpincess Thanks, hope you have a good day as well!
Not a lawyer, but when we researched our wedding ceremony, I learned that a legal wedding ceremony (in our jurisdiction) must have three things or it "didn't happen": a statement of intent/consent ("I do"), a chance for people to object ("speak now or forever hold your peace"), and a pronouncement that the ceremony is complete and the parties are now married. Of course, this all needs to be witnessed and paperwork filled out.
I'm given to understand that the details vary by state, but if you have some ceremony that doesn't meet those criteria, it's not - legally speaking - a wedding.
And I'm assuming an "I do" from both parties.
The objections are for material reasons, not someone walking in and declaring their love like many movies. A real objection would be for someone to reveal that the bride and groom are related and don't know it, or one of them is still legally married to someone else, or one of them is legally dead. In the modern day, it would be pretty difficult for the couple to make it all the way to the ceremony without being told sooner, but it's plausible.
My understanding is that all marriages must also be consummated, and while not a part of the marriage proceedings per se, if it isn't that is ground for an annulment (where the marriage never legally existed) as opposed to a divorce (where the marriage is now legally terminated). The ability to understand and actually enter the marriage contract (or have your parents do it for you if they're dumb) is also required. For instance, a marriage is binding if your drunk off you nut but have been planning it for months, but not if you just roll into town, get smashed, and marry someone you just met.
In ticking off the strengths of this movie, how could you miss the amazing fight choreography? It is the best!
In high school (late 90's) my friend was OBSESSED with this movie. We worked very hard to convince her the man in black had a lazy eye. We would jump randomly and yell there! You can see it there! She would rewind and sit on the floor and watch closely but she could never see it 🤷♀️🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😊
I have a two suggestion.
1. Movie couples therapy: Christian and satine from moulin rouge
2. Therapist react to Hazbin Hotel
Any thoughts?
Oh god. Moulin Rouge? I wouldn’t stop crying through the entire thing. I’d give Alan a run for his money!
PLEASE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM REACT TO HAZBIN HOTEL!!!! I also want a Lisa Frankenstein reaction!!!
This is still my favorite movie of all time! Grandpa's description of the story perfectly describes the movie. I read the actual Princess Bride book, and the movie is way better. I watched this movie to treat myself after every midterm or final exam in college. I watched it whenever I was sick or feeling sad.
One of my college roommates did fencing in high school, and she told me that, in her opinion, The Princess Bride is one of the very few movies that portray fencing moves correctly.
I recently learned that Rob Reiner (the director) had to leave the set while filming the Miracle Max scene with Billy Crystal and Carol Kane because Reiner was laughing so hard that it ruined takes.
Also, in the film, when they shot the duel scene where Inigo Montoya (played by Mandy Patinkin) fights Count Rugen, Patinkin thought of his father, who died of cancer. When Inigo says, “I want my father back, you son of a b****,” Patinkin said that confronting and killing the six-fingered man felt like facing the cancer that killed his father. 🥺
Cary Elwes wrote a book called "As You Wish: Inconceivable Tales from the Making of The Princess Bride." I have yet to read it, but it has been on my TBR for a long time.
I've read Cary Elwes' book twice and it's a lot of fun.
Do it. It's worth it. And if you can, get the audiobook (try the public library). Elwes, Reiner, Wright, and other members of the cast and crew narrate their memories of the process. It's funny and moving, just like the movie.
Check out Jill Bearup's (Stuff You Like) commentaries on The Princess Bride's sword fights. They really add to my understanding and enjoyment of those scenes.
I love this reply section so much. I read "As You Wish" while simultaneously listening to the audio book, and Jill is one of my favorite RUclips people.
This movie is so freaking good and to have the Internet Dads cover it brings me immense joy
Cary Elwes, who played Wesley seemed to love absolutely everything about making the movie. His book about the making of the movie was so refreshingly positive, like it was the best time of his life. About 99.9999% of the time some people love a movie and some hate it. Not in this instance. I feel like no one hates the movie, everyone likes it, some more than others but even so. I loved it when I first saw it as a kid and I love it even more as an adult.
12:40 I think the only context where it's okay to play detective in your relationship is at 3am, text your partner “Would you still love me if I was a worm? 🥺”. If they take the time to answer that question (when or what is irrelevant), they love you
Reminds me of a pinterest screenshot I have of two comments under an image of a gummy worm on a branch..
"This is how I would take pictures of my bf if he was a worm and I had a bf" VS *picture of someone in the process of eating a flower in the grass very aggressively*
That’s an oddly specific example. 🤔
It reminds me of that old Aladdin episode where Mirage tries to break Aladdin & Jasmine's love, by turning her into a serpent - but _the way_ she failed felt very powerful to the couple's commitment to one another...
Westley: Death cannot stop true love
Buttercup: I will never doubt again
*five minutes later Humperdinck threatens Westley’s life*
Buttercup (paraphrase): stop! I will marry you!
But the point is, now she knows he will always come for her, so she thinks she's both ensuring their safety in the short-term and buying them time for him to regroup and come get her again. She can't just stand there and watch him die, but she doesn't say goodbye to him just explains why she undermined his big defiant 'last stand' moment.
@@helenl3193 she intended to follow through on the wedding until her nightmare. She didn’t trust he would come for her when she made this plea for his life
@@moviemelody2210 Buttercup explicitly states Wesley is coming for her up until immediately after the wedding. She even has a "told you" moment when the trio are making enough of a ruckus at the gate to briefly interrupt the ceremony. She only gives up when he doesn't show up before the minister says "man and wife"
@@unknown_limes yes you are right but there is a period of time between when she goes back to Humperdinck and when she has the nightmare reaffirming her commitment to Westley that she does not know he will come for her. She made that deal to save Westley’s life under the assumption she would never see him again.
@@moviemelody2210 I wouldn't exactly agree with you. She states several times while still with Humperdinck "Westley will come for me." and he replies with "Of course." Humperdinck consistently humors her until she pushes him too far and he locks her in her room. The marriage got rushed so Humperdinck could start the war that he always wanted to have. In fact, immediately after her nightmare, she rushes into Humperdinck's office (?) and says "I love Westley. I always have, and I now know that I always will."
The editing in these videos are hilarious 😂😂 I love you guys and the whole crew!
Perfect! Thank you for doing this one!
The Princess Bride is one of my favorite movies ever. Initially, its theatrical release was considered a flop because the studio didn’t know how to market it. Was it a romance, a comedy, a fairytale, a swashbuckler, a revenge story? The answer is “all of the above”, but I think they could have succeeded if they had simply marketed it as a family-friendly comedy. Glad its popularity grew after its VHS release.
*Edna Mode voice* OMG Yess!
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I really needed this. My husband and I were watching this together and he gave me a look and said, "hey, this is what I've been trying to tell you!"
I have trouble with putting all my needs on hold and worrying only about my husband, even if he says he's worried about me and my needs.
Princess Bride is one of the best films I would never have chosen. It takes you by surprise at every turn. And it has fencing, fighting, torture, revenge, giants, monsters, chases, escapes. Miracles. And true love.
One of the best movies ever made
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Dang, missed opportunity to say, "Prepare to Cry."
I was in grade school when this came out; I was on a hero kick and would spend recess ‘defending’ kids who were bullied. Once, I used Fezzik’s opening dialogue before he fought Westley. Super influential movie for me.
You guys bring me so much joy ❤