Ron Harper: He could have been MICHAEL JORDAN’S RIVAL… But instead became his Point Guard | FPP

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  • Even though he came into the league a couple years later, Dennis Rodman once called Ron Harper “Michael Jordan before Michael Jordan”, that doesn’t make a lot of sense, but at the same the comparison was accurate. Ron Harper was an incredible athlete coming off a stellar four career at the University of Miami (OH). He was drafted in an era dominated by big men and along with Brad Daugherty and Mark Price, made one of the greatest hauls in Cleveland Cavaliers and NBA history. The team would eventually add Larry Nance and became a force in the Eastern Conference, but then when it believed that Harper was running with the wrong crowd, the Cavs shipped him to the LA Clippers where it was hoped he would pair with Danny Manning, but just a handful into his Clippers career, he would tear his ACL. He would come back from it and play well, but he still wasn’t quite the player he had been prior to the injury. After growing unhappy in Los Angeles, he would sign with the Chicago Bulls to replace Michael Jordan alongside Scottie Pippen, yet once he got to Chicago, he was a shell of his former self, and saw the one of the biggest one season drop-offs in NBA history; then Jordan returned and it looked like his career would be over soon. But instead he would re-invent himself as the Bulls point guard and one of many defensive specialists alongside Jordan, Pippen and Dennis Rodman. And with Harper at the 1, the Bulls would accomplish their second threepeat, which included their 72-10 ’96 season. He would play one more year in Chicago after the team was broken up, before winning two more rings alongside the Shaq and Kobe Los Angeles Lakers. He had all the tools, to be an elite swingman when he came in the league, but his unfortunate knee injury looked to quickly be stealing his career from him, but in the last minute, he would embrace a role that saw him leave the game as one of it’s best winners and most respected players; yet one that doesn’t get talked about nearly enough.
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  • @MJ-xh4fl
    @MJ-xh4fl 4 месяца назад +109

    I met Ron Harper when he was playing for the LA Clippers in the early 90s. It was in NYC at the hottest club in Manhattan at the time
    , and one of the greatest clubs in NYC history, a club called Nells. All the celebrities, athletes and professionals hung out there. If you weren't on the guest list or didn't know the doormen, or didn't look the part, you was not getting in. Period. We met at the pool table, and played a game or two. I remember he told me that he was waiting for his Clippers teammate and native New Yorker PG Mark Jackson, who never showed up. What was funny about that night was he had on a Pelle Pelle 8 ball jacket. The problem was it was about 4 years after they were popular in NYC. So he got teased about it (not by me though) in a good natured way. I had played basketball myself and had known and played against top NBA players before, so I knew who he was when I met him. Out of all the pros, Malik Sealy (RIP)(high school teammate), Chris Mullin and Ron Harper are the humblest and nicest NBA players I've known or met. Ron Harper had absolutely no ego, sense of entitlement, or aloofness. None whatsoever. He took the teasing about the jacket he was wearing gracefully. If you didn't know who he was, you would never imagine that he was actually a professional athlete or all-star caliber NBA basketball player. He was that down to earth and humble. He had a trusting, and transparent spirit. He seemed "country", by NYC standards. In a good way. I hung out with him the whole night. Usually when you went to Nells, you went there to meet high quality, beautiful women, but I remember just talking to him the entire night about basketball and life. I remember him buying people drinks that night. If I would have asked him that night for $100 out of need, I'm sure that he would have given it to me with no hesitation. He was that type of brother, a kind soul. I never ran into him again after that fun night at Nells. But, when I watched his future successes with the Bulls and Lakers, and the successes of his basketball playing sons (I believe, as we speak, one of his younger sons is the #1rated high school basketball point guard in the country). I'm not surprised and I'm happy for him, because as my wise mother (RIP) used to always tell me, "good things happen to good people! ".

    • @howardnash9272
      @howardnash9272 4 месяца назад +7

      Beautifully written story. Asante-Thanks sana-very much.

    • @jaahnnn
      @jaahnnn 4 месяца назад +4

      Was he stuttering worst than anyone you've ever seen? Or was that just an on camera thing?

    • @MJ-xh4fl
      @MJ-xh4fl 4 месяца назад +7

      @@jaahnnn I heard he had a stuttering problem before I met him. I don't recall him stuttering or stuttering a lot. What I do remember was that he talked with a slower pace than what would considered to be normal. Having had relatives who were from very country rural areas, he reminded me of a person who lived all his life in the country and was suddenly thrusted into a city- like environment. I've been around quite a few professional athletes from playing basketball and sports up until my late forties, and Ron Harper's humble almost gentle nature was different. If you met him you would know what I mean.

    • @MJ-xh4fl
      @MJ-xh4fl 4 месяца назад +4

      To "Forgotten Player Profiles", great work! I believe it was you who did a profile on Rod Strickland, and I gave a lengthy comment on Rod from my experience competing against him in Highschool. That was another great work from you.

    • @MJ-xh4fl
      @MJ-xh4fl 4 месяца назад +2

      @@howardnash9272 thank you much!

  • @pgfnj0279
    @pgfnj0279 4 месяца назад +69

    The NBA needs more guys like Ron Harper today

  • @seancamp2703
    @seancamp2703 4 месяца назад +65

    Man people do not understand how good Harper was before his injuries.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад

      I did .he played like a Fringed Shooting guard version of Dr J but just couldn't shoot well from outside.

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      this video - and several others on RUclips - can witness them for themselves. As a Cavs fan, I lived it in the '80's. They tossed 2-3 titles out the window when they traded him.

    • @simonrutledge3171
      @simonrutledge3171 3 месяца назад +2

      As a Cavs fan, I approve of this message

  • @rashb3994
    @rashb3994 4 месяца назад +60

    I love players like this willing to adapt their game and to their necessary role.

    • @dash4800
      @dash4800 4 месяца назад +6

      I mean, he physically couldn't do it anymore. Even before Jordan returned he was only averaging 6 ppg. He wither adapted to a new role or was out of the league

    • @rashb3994
      @rashb3994 4 месяца назад +4

      @@dash4800 Yeah but that's what I mean, some guys refuse to adapt or take on a different role than their old one no matter what. So like Melo scoffed at the bench and remained stubborn even though he wasn't the same and no team would take him for like a year, until he got humbled and finally accepted a lesser role.
      The Lakers when it was Kobe and Gasol were willing to get a declining Iverson if he would accept a role as spark plug off the bench. He didn't even have to change his game. He refused because it was off the bench.

    • @29larron
      @29larron 4 месяца назад

      ​@rashb3994 Melo is such a easy target.Dude started in Portland when he got back in the league so clearly that he needs to come off the bench nonsense was narrative driven.You internet jokers need to learn to think for yourselves.

    • @rashb3994
      @rashb3994 4 месяца назад +2

      @@29larron LMFAO, he literally made himself the poster boy for this by publicly mocking coming off the bench! Stop being in your feelings. That's why no team would touch him for a year, and he had to beg and plead because no team wants an aging ex star who still believes he's elite and won't adapt. Him starting in Portland was because they were desperate for some kind of a boost to get them out the hole. It was the first time I saw him do those little team things that would've helped him win more in his prime. Better late than never and I respect that.

    • @29larron
      @29larron 4 месяца назад +1

      @rashb3994 whenever someone calls u weirdos on y'all nonsense u call it being in your feelings.Well bench players don't avg 24 ppg the first few wks after being told they should come off the bench.They usually show that their game has regressed and that they should be coming off the bench genius.Your just a casual following the script. My mistake was thinking we could debate without u being in YOUR feelings.l won't tag or respond to nothing else u say casual

  • @acrucker
    @acrucker 4 месяца назад +16

    Ron Harper was a terror for his opponents. He was scary good. His five NBA championships speak for themselves. I’ve always liked his style and demeanor.

  • @sixburgh64ss
    @sixburgh64ss 4 месяца назад +23

    People would be so surprised when I'd pick the Clippers on the 'NBA JAM T.E.' arcade but Harper was my guy on there. He was so well rounded and Dominique made for a great CPU controlled teammate.

  • @samuraibeastwarrior2886
    @samuraibeastwarrior2886 4 месяца назад +43

    Fun Fact Ron Harper guest Star on Kenan and Kel

  • @ronque23
    @ronque23 4 месяца назад +30

    I never remembered all those great years he had in Cleveland. Harp was an athletic freak!

    • @user-be7tc2bd6e
      @user-be7tc2bd6e 4 месяца назад +6

      I remembered all those games he played,Harper was a very GOOD player with Cleveland and MJ couldn't do anything with Harper.I remember one Harp had 38 pts against MJ,but,Jordan scored 56 pts against Harper in that particular game. LOL. In those early Bull's games ( regular season and playoffs ) MJ had to score BIG numbers in order for the Bull's to win,Cleveland had other scorer's besides Harper-Hot Rod Williams,Mark Price,Craig Echlo,etc,etc,..Cleveland had the better team-IMHO-but,no one on their team could stop/contain-MJ.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад

      @user-be7tc2bd6e 💯 great point and break down. Harper had the IQ and was very Sneaky Good offensively especially off the dribble slashing, scoring and making plays for his teammates.

    • @user-be7tc2bd6e
      @user-be7tc2bd6e 4 месяца назад +1

      @@carlwallace1129 Thank you for the compliment,amigo,it's appreciated. With Cleveland Harper was more of a scorer,then with the Bulls ( harp said in an interview he was playing on one leg ) he was more of a defensive player.

    • @user-be7tc2bd6e
      @user-be7tc2bd6e 4 месяца назад +2

      @@carlwallace1129 Thanks for the compliment,amigo,it's appreciated. Harper was a-MIGHTY-talented nba player.That era of b-ball is gone,but,we can re-capture it through watching those games on youtube.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад

      @@user-be7tc2bd6e facts

  • @LargeDude2023
    @LargeDude2023 4 месяца назад +11

    My favorite Cav. Dude was amazing before the injury

  • @demonicdan4302
    @demonicdan4302 4 месяца назад +14

    As a kid who tore their ACL twice in 2 years in the 90s I looked up to him for coming back from that dreaded injury and was motivated by him! Awesome to see his career story

    • @unappealingundesirable2826
      @unappealingundesirable2826 4 месяца назад +1

      Demonic Dan! You're probably within 5 years of age of me, one direction or the other. I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American and male. Knock on wood, I have never blown out my knee. Tore an Achilles heel, in 1993 a moderately sprained ankle, and in 2019 popped the tendon behind my lower leg. I JUST hope I can live my life without tearing a knee. Still, my POINT is, things have supposedly really improved, since the 90s, in terms of knee injuries. I knew Bart Brandenburg, whose father coached San Diego State, was going to be an NBA player. But, around 1989, he blew out his knee, and he didn't even play another COLLEGE game! Now, while we still don't wish knee injuries on anybody, it sounds like one can still make a VERY good recovery, if they were to tear their ACL, in 2024. I'm sure it would be costly, and your insurance likely wouldn't cover it for no dire reason, but, if you had work done on your knees in 2024, (since it's more advanced than what you had in 1990) how much athletic ability do you think you'd regain? Maybe at your (our) age, you're a good candidate for knee replacement. Former NFL player, and now local radio talk show host Dave Wyman, said that he got knee replacement, and it feels better than ever! Kudos to YOU, for surviving TWO knee tears. Along with the physical agony, I'm sure that it had a mental and psychological strain on you and your family, too.

  • @testostyrone33
    @testostyrone33 4 месяца назад +10

    Harper was a helluva player. And he had a very impressive overall career. Yet another good report from this channel 💪🏾

  • @chriswahl4139
    @chriswahl4139 4 месяца назад +28

    the KJ-Nance trade was a rare win win for both teams

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      I didn't like that trade as a Cavs fan, but they couldn't keep both Price and KJ - it never would have worked. Price was awesome, so I agree - win win

  • @florianpoulin7108
    @florianpoulin7108 4 месяца назад +7

    One amusing fact is that in his last NCAA game vs ISU, he didn't start as Guard or Forward, but as Center. The tallest starter was 6'7 but perhaps Harper had a highest vertical jump. So a small ball lineup ahead of time, way before 2018 Rockets.

  • @kincamell2
    @kincamell2 4 месяца назад +29

    The 1996 Bulls Team are amazing

    • @sebastianliwinski222
      @sebastianliwinski222 4 месяца назад +2

      72-10... Rodman was my MVP finals... He out fouled Brickowski/Kemp in finals...

    • @jamesbrickner5159
      @jamesbrickner5159 4 месяца назад

      @@sebastianliwinski222 there is a lot of BS in the comment section of this video, but this here holds true. I think he deserved co-FMVP. Great video here on youtube breaking it down if you care to search it out. Basketball Examined

    • @sideshowbobsaget8876
      @sideshowbobsaget8876 4 месяца назад

      ​@sebastianliwinski222 No, he wasn't LMAO. Imagine thinking Rodman was more impactful than Jordan

    • @jamesbrickner5159
      @jamesbrickner5159 4 месяца назад +2

      @@sideshowbobsaget8876 he was at least as impactful in that series. The opponents they faced say it.

    • @sideshowbobsaget8876
      @sideshowbobsaget8876 4 месяца назад

      @@jamesbrickner5159 he wasn't

  • @Classicbasketballdvds
    @Classicbasketballdvds 4 месяца назад +27

    good one...very underrated. I liked how he re-invented his game from a scorer and high flyer to a defensive specialist/stopper in the Bulls 2nd 3peat

    • @PhoenixAscending
      @PhoenixAscending 4 месяца назад +6

      That Bulls team is hands down the greatest defensive team of all time. 2 players who won DPOY, Rodman twice, another guy in Pip who is one of the best defenders ever, and he and Duncan are the biggest snubs ever for DPOY award, , and then they had one of the best defenders at the pg position in the league at the time. They were so long and lanky. Harp was kind of a liability somewhat on offense though, as pg was not his true position. He was an average passer, and not much of a facilitator...but they had Pip and MJ to take care of that

    • @Classicbasketballdvds
      @Classicbasketballdvds 4 месяца назад +5

      that 2nd Bulls 3peat I think won a lot of games with their defense, esp in the Last Dance season. Harp was shutting guys down@@PhoenixAscending

    • @PhoenixAscending
      @PhoenixAscending 4 месяца назад +4

      @@Classicbasketballdvds yes he was. The younger generations for the most part just don't get how special of a defensive team that was. Best ever. Their length would cause anyone problems, even the warriors. If they played with hand checking, steph and klay would have problems. Durant too. Pippen would be too strong for him if he could use his hands

    • @Classicbasketballdvds
      @Classicbasketballdvds 4 месяца назад +1

      yeah, their length was crazy and D-Rod & Pip could guard 1-5@@PhoenixAscending

    • @fszron
      @fszron 4 месяца назад +3

      He was so badly injured in his younger years that he was forced to player a more slow and defensive game. Grant Hill did the same thing after he got severely injured post-Pistons post 2000

  • @wildcat8598
    @wildcat8598 4 месяца назад +15

    Ron Harper on the Cavs was a problem for defenders plus he was in the era of actually playing defense and was good at it. Played physical and smart. Smart enough that even after the injury and totally changing his game and remaining a key piece to a team that became a dynasty thanks to his and other teammates play. Imagine Jordan and Pippen without Harper, Kerr, Hodges, Grant etc etc key players to support their star cast cause as we all know it takes a team. No matter if you have the best player or not they can’t do it by themselves

    • @michaelbeale518
      @michaelbeale518 18 дней назад

      Hodges and Kerr were below average players for most of their careers. Mark Price, John Williams, Larry Nance, and Brad Daughtery was an extremely solid lineup. The 88 Bulls and 89 Bulls roster wasn't as good as the 88 and 89 Cans roster.

  • @hardworkingcriminal4873
    @hardworkingcriminal4873 4 месяца назад +10

    Ron Harper was for sure a baller pre injury

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      That injury changed everything for him.

  • @Dantana773
    @Dantana773 4 месяца назад +15

    Thank You For The Ron Harper Video. He is a very Underrated Player from That His Era.Those Rookie Stats are top tier he should have been rookie of the Year 22.9 ppg 4.8 rebounds 4.8 assists 2.5 steals are some solid numbers It Showed how versatile of a Player Ron was. I was glad he went to the clippers and played with Danny Manning & Company Even after the knee injury Ron helped get the clippers to the playoffs twice and still gave Buckets plus defended the best of them at his position . Yeah he is another one of my Fav players.

    • @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand
      @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand 4 месяца назад +2

      Yeah twin you were a big Ron Harper fan people say the knee Injury changed his game but it still looked the same to me. folks left the Chi and won two more chips with the Lakers salute Ron Harper

    • @tobznoobs
      @tobznoobs 4 месяца назад

      yeah tyreke evans averaged 20 5 and 5 to win roty, but he aint as good as harper on both sides before the acl injury.

    • @LuciusMcClendon
      @LuciusMcClendon 4 месяца назад +1

      I Was So Confident About The Bulls Games With Ron Harper On The Team /Jordan,Pippen Rodman , Longley , Paxson🏆🏆

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад +1

      If you watch this clip, Bird couldn't cover him for 0.1 seconds. He knew not to even try.

  • @luciousthomas6141
    @luciousthomas6141 4 месяца назад +8

    Jordan’s immediate replacement was Pete Myers! I know because I watched it. When Jordan retired in 93, on opening night of the 93/94 season it was Pete Myers who was starting as SG in Jordan’s place. Ron Harper didn’t come until the following season.

    • @jaahnnn
      @jaahnnn 4 месяца назад +1

      I heard that an was like "?". Lol remember that 2 handed chasedown block old wizards comeback mj had against pete Myers

    • @luciousthomas6141
      @luciousthomas6141 4 месяца назад +3

      @@jaahnnn That chase down block was against Ron Mercer not Pete Myers. Go back and look at the footage.

    • @jaahnnn
      @jaahnnn 4 месяца назад +1

      @@luciousthomas6141 damn you have a good memory lol

    • @luciousthomas6141
      @luciousthomas6141 4 месяца назад +1

      @@jaahnnn Certain things that had an impact on you, you never forget them. I watched most of Mike's career and after that first three-peat when his father was murdered and he retired, I just will never forget watching opening night of the 93-94 season and watching Pete Myers starting in place of Jordan. It was just so odd. That I will never forget! Fast forward years later and when Jordan returns from his second retirement to play with the Wizards I am a senior in college now. I live in VA so I get all the local Wizards games. So when Mike was playing for them I got to watch almost every game he played as Wizard and that chase down block that was a highlight they showed over and over and over and over again! So it sticks out in my mind as something else that I will never forget.

  • @STORM3SHADOW
    @STORM3SHADOW 3 месяца назад +1

    As a huge Ron Harper fan since he entered the NBA and having watched tons of youtube videos featuring him, this is, by far, the best, most comprehensive video I've seen yet. Very well done!
    Reading all the comments, there's not much more I can say that already hasn't been said about his career. The real ones in here know! He has been underrated his entire career. He was snubbed for Rookie of the Year in 86-87. He was snubbed for the All-Star game in 89. And his contributions to the Bulls 3peat were also swept underneath the rug from all the media except for local Chicago press. He was 100% the X-Factor on that 3peat team. Without his contributions on both ends of the court, they probably wouldn't have won 1 or 2 of those titles, esp vs the Jazz.
    The debate about him being the closest thing to Jordan or him being the Jordan stopper probably depend on who you talk to. Poor Man's Jordan was pretty accurate. No one comes close to MJ other than Kobe in that respect. And although Harp gave MJ problems whenever he guarded him in his Cavs days, he didn't really stop Jordan. But I do think out of all the 2 guards in the league, Harper gave him the most trouble on a consistent basis. Which is why its hard to understand why Lenny Wilkens put Ehlo on him for that last second buzzer beater that will go down as one of the most iconic clutch shots in history. You would think Harper would deny him the ball better and if Jordan did get a shot up, Ron's extra 5"+ of vertical would be more of a deterrent for him to miss that shot. We will never know.
    The aging stars of today's NBA who never won a chip could learn a thing or two from Harp's career, esp the ones that are in the twilight of their career(Westbrook, Harden, CP3) by reinventing themselves for the better of the team to win a championship. Iguodala is a perfect example.
    What we do know is Harper had an NBA career most every player would be envious of. He played alongside some of greatest NBA legends: MJ, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq, Nique, Rodman, etc. Yes, he never earned an All-Star nod nor win All-NBA or All-Defense, but how many greats can you name that have 5 rings who played a significant role in each? Thats rarified air! And he will tell you straight up, "no regrets!" and wouldn't change anything about his career. Cheers to Hollywood Harp!

  • @bobabooey3103
    @bobabooey3103 4 месяца назад +5

    I remember in an Inside the NBA edition he called himself Alfred to Batman (Jordan) and Robin (Pippen)

  • @redgr81
    @redgr81 4 месяца назад +5

    I love these, the start from high school to retirement. Great job

  • @GoofTroop5150
    @GoofTroop5150 4 месяца назад +9

    He's from my hometown Dayton Ohio I remember him playing with the Bulls and Lakers

    • @IllMatic97
      @IllMatic97 4 месяца назад

      People don't understand the amount of talent Ohio produces

    • @unappealingundesirable2826
      @unappealingundesirable2826 4 месяца назад

      I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American and male. I thought people from Ohio and Iowa were NICE. Most of the Black people from Ohio are very nice. Many White Ohioans too. But, SO many mean Ohioans: Bob Knight, Bob Stoops, Mike Stoops and Donald Korn. Are people from Ohio nice?

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      Miami OH! #8 pick that year by the Cavs, #1 was Brad Daughtery. Price was a 2nd round pick. Nice draft!

  • @JuggaloSupreme
    @JuggaloSupreme 4 месяца назад +5

    Wow you gave me more information on one of my favorite players than I ever thought I could have. Keep up the good work!

  • @ljerns2167
    @ljerns2167 4 месяца назад +4

    Harper had relations with the owners daughter that’s why he was traded. He should’ve been at least a 2 time all star

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад +1

      hahah!!! please post a link of proof, I can't wait to read it.

    • @youlovechika
      @youlovechika 16 дней назад

      lmao legend

  • @MrShaneVicious
    @MrShaneVicious 4 месяца назад +11

    The Ron Harper for Danny Ferry trade was one of the worst in NBA history.

    • @user-ne8tx6yc3l
      @user-ne8tx6yc3l 4 месяца назад +1

      Word.

    • @johnjack902
      @johnjack902 4 месяца назад

      Up11q

    • @johnjack902
      @johnjack902 4 месяца назад

      Up

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      They thought he was hanging out with druggie friends. Huge, pathetic mistake. Likely cost them a couple trophies.

  • @KL-yy5ck
    @KL-yy5ck 4 месяца назад +4

    Ronnie Harper! My favorite Cav of all-time. I literally cried when he was traded on November 16, 1989. The Cavs have not really had a 2-guard of that caliber since. And....the trade was not because of his association with drug dealers. The owner, Gund, didn't like Harper's relationship with his daughter! If the Cavs were so wary of a player associating wirhin the drug culture, then why did they acquire Shawn Kemp later when his issues with drugs were weel known?! It's been nearly 35 years since that trade and I stiil get upset thinking about it. If that trade had never happened, I truly believe that the Cavs would have won a championship in the 90's! Magic Johnson had even predicted that the Cavs would be, "the team of the 90's"! Yes...Harper is my favorite Cav of all-time. LeBron is surreal and is my ultimate favorite professional athlete of all-time. Does this make sense?

    • @KL-yy5ck
      @KL-yy5ck 4 месяца назад

      Uh..excuse me. I got emotional typing my comment and forgot taht Donovan Mitchell is a 2-guard. So, I shall rephrase my original comment to "The Cavs have not really had a 2-guard of that caliber until Donovan Mitchell". Sorry about that!

    • @howardnash9272
      @howardnash9272 4 месяца назад

      😂

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      Same here, @KL

  • @ddfelix4829
    @ddfelix4829 4 месяца назад +3

    Much love for Ron! Exhaustive video. Well done.

  • @tylerriley2587
    @tylerriley2587 4 месяца назад +6

    Ron Harper was very good

  • @lucashenderson2775
    @lucashenderson2775 4 месяца назад +5

    After playing against the Cavs in the 88-89 season, Magic called them the Team of the 90s because of the talent they had with Ron, Mark Price, Brad Daugherty and Larry Nance. Do I think the Cavs win championships if they kept Harper? Who knows? We can never truly know since he got traded, but it guaranteed they would never at least win the East. As you pointed out, he was still very productive as a Clipper even if he lost some of his explosiveness.

    • @MrOctober44
      @MrOctober44 4 месяца назад +1

      That's a always a curse when someone says that about a team, lol. Trading Harper was bad enough, but it was an absolutely horrible trade.

    • @bigglilwayne7050
      @bigglilwayne7050 4 месяца назад

      Injuries derailed Daugherty and Price, Danny Manning style....

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      AFTER the knee injury. Never the same.

  • @Teddy42O
    @Teddy42O 4 месяца назад +76

    Ron Harper would dominate in today's NBA, he was better than Pippen before his injuries.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад +20

      💯 harper gave Pippen Fits when he was on the Cavs .

    • @melvinhhcp3615
      @melvinhhcp3615 4 месяца назад +7

      Facts

    • @younglove3362
      @younglove3362 4 месяца назад +9

      Spoken like Jordan fanboys.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад +20

      ​@@younglove3362 pippen's 1st 2seasons on the Bulls he used to struggle checking Ron Harper while Harper came into the league 1yr earlier. It took pippen 5seasons and Harper blowing his knee out in L A for him to clearly pass him up. But Harper still guarded Prime Penny better then Pippen

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад +11

      @@younglove3362 I'm more of a Prime Penny, Sprewell and VanExel fan.

  • @rapingisok2
    @rapingisok2 4 месяца назад +11

    The missing piece to the 96-97 bulls. Thanks for giving him his props

  • @djp2k2
    @djp2k2 4 месяца назад +1

    Dennis Rodman deserves to have his own player profile. His journey throughout his unusual upbringing and college career leading into is equally unusual yet amazing NBA years is a story within itself

  • @russenterprise6502
    @russenterprise6502 4 месяца назад +6

    Ron Harper was the star in Cleveland before LeBron James

  • @KdOdom7
    @KdOdom7 4 месяца назад +1

    Respect Ron Harper. One of my favs growing up and main reason I became a Clippers fan 🧐 🏀

  • @moneyman4740
    @moneyman4740 4 месяца назад +19

    How didnt Zeke mention Nique when he named the flyers of that era ?

    • @panthermentalitymotivation
      @panthermentalitymotivation 4 месяца назад +6

      Cuz Zeke a hater by default

    • @thebayareastandout
      @thebayareastandout 4 месяца назад +4

      ​@@panthermentalitymotivationany era has more than 3 flyers. Byron Scott was a flyer. Wilkins and his brother could jump. Even Kevin Johnson could jump just as well as Harper.

    • @moneyman4740
      @moneyman4740 4 месяца назад +3

      @@thebayareastandout but Jordan , Drex and Nique were the most notable 3 of the 80’s

    • @damienburke4996
      @damienburke4996 4 месяца назад +2

      The same reason that he called him “MJ before MJ”…when MJ came into the league before him. Isiah is the saltiest player ever.

    • @Hoiku76
      @Hoiku76 4 месяца назад +2

      Glyde, Harp, and MJ were shooting guards while Nique was a small forward is my guess why Zeke mentioned the 3 players?

  • @Detroitsince84
    @Detroitsince84 4 месяца назад +2

    Much respect to Ron Harper 🫡

  • @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand
    @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand 4 месяца назад +1

    What I like the most about Ron Harper is he competed with the best of them and even after he tore his knee up he cake back still averaging close to 20 ppg and helped the clips make the playoffs. Versitale player. The cavs traded him because they thought he was going to.get indicated but after the trade it never happened sounds like something else behind the scenes was at play

    • @dmalley2859
      @dmalley2859 4 месяца назад

      He got traded because if Harper had stayed with the Cavs, they would be the team of the East, and the NBA wanted the Bulls Michael Jordan to be the team of the East. This was about money the NBA would make with Michael Jordan and the Bulls. This game is set up for the money.

    • @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand
      @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand 4 месяца назад

      @dmalley2859 yeah I know the NBA is a business and about the money

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      @@dmalley2859 The stupidest NBA conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

  • @user-rh8gz8mi9l
    @user-rh8gz8mi9l 4 месяца назад +2

    Much respect for for Ron Harper

  • @ghostsignal
    @ghostsignal 4 месяца назад

    You got yourself a new fan with the video on Mase. About to watch the one on Rauf, who's one of my heroes...
    ...however I came to your most recent video to BEG for videos on World Peace and Bison Dele.

  • @blakebrown84
    @blakebrown84 4 месяца назад +1

    Ron Harper Sr. was very underrated as a versatile two-guard who was a 5-time NBA champion. His versatility, scoring ability, and championship pedigree make him a dominant figure in NBA history. He was a starting point guard that allowed him to adapt to different roles and contribute effectively.🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      He was a 5-time NBA champion as a ROLE player. There's a lot of those.

  • @MannyMensah94
    @MannyMensah94 4 месяца назад +3

    Very good player. Great video 🏀

  • @PhoenixAscending
    @PhoenixAscending 4 месяца назад +3

    That cavs team was LOADED! They are not talked about near enough. Daughtery, Price, Harper, Ehlo, Nance, and Kerr. 3 all-star players and anove average role players around them. They just couldn't get past MJ. He tended to keep a lot of all time greats from getting a ring

    • @moeschizlac
      @moeschizlac 4 месяца назад +1

      They even had a young rookie Kevin Johnson.

    • @PhoenixAscending
      @PhoenixAscending 4 месяца назад

      @moeschizlac did not know that. Lots if talent on that team

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      @@moeschizlac Mark Price and KJ - one had to be moved. That's how they got Nance.

  • @skyMcWeeds
    @skyMcWeeds 3 месяца назад

    Ron Harper with the Bulls were a nightmare on defense, they had a loaded backcourt in Jordan and Harper and also loaded frontcourt with Pippen, Rodman and Longely. Those guys were big, can move and can defend really well.
    The Box Score don't tell the whole story Ron Harper was a huge part of the 2nd 3peat one of the Bulls defensive anchors, he'd cause problems on opponent's offense.

  • @DeezyRoc
    @DeezyRoc 4 месяца назад +2

    Great video! Ron Harper was definitely slept on but was a solid baller on the floor.

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      "slept on"??

  • @raymealesmiley_theeunderes8033
    @raymealesmiley_theeunderes8033 4 месяца назад

    Great vid!🔥

  • @michaelrobinson540
    @michaelrobinson540 4 месяца назад +5

    I actually think Latrell Sprewell reminds me of a young Ron Harper.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад

      Harper on Roids😂.

    • @user-be7tc2bd6e
      @user-be7tc2bd6e 4 месяца назад

      Yeah,without the mental issues tho-LOL. Imagine,choking your own coach !!! WOW,that's crazy. LOL. Said their coach wasn't treating him or his team-mates like men. What a-DUMMY.

  • @gerrystevens1694
    @gerrystevens1694 4 месяца назад

    One of the best and pure Defensive Stoppers that played the 1 and the 2 that has ever played.

  • @samuraibeastwarrior2886
    @samuraibeastwarrior2886 4 месяца назад +7

    The episode that Ron Harper was on Kenan and Kel Kel wanted Ron Harper to sign his Orange Soda Bottle but Kel drop Orange Soda on Ron Harper foot Kenan Store and made Ron Harper foot broke

    • @GHOST91141
      @GHOST91141 4 месяца назад +1

      😂😂 classic days

    • @perpetualmotion357
      @perpetualmotion357 4 месяца назад

      I forgot about their obsession with orange soda. I'm guessing they just changed the flavor from grape to poke fun at the stereotypical obsession they have with it lol.

  • @stampscapes
    @stampscapes 4 месяца назад +1

    Such a great player. Was exactly what the Clippers needed when he got traded there but, as always, the Clippers Curse got him with that ACL. I was at the game when he made his return from that injury and he got a triple double. It was strange following that team (Clippers) back then where I wanted them to do well but you felt sorry for any player getting picked by or traded to them as their prime years were being wasted.

  • @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand
    @Intellectually_Ignorant_brand 4 месяца назад +4

    Terry Cummings Video.

  • @Chitownbrotha30
    @Chitownbrotha30 3 месяца назад

    I love Harp! He was that guy! Even after his injuries, he was an irreplaceable piece of that 72-10 Chicago Bulls team....

  • @harveymcelroy9332
    @harveymcelroy9332 4 месяца назад

    Damn ur videos are great 😊😊

  • @butchyray6553
    @butchyray6553 4 месяца назад

    I'm a fan, his actual narrative you shown I explained a lot,🤯 thank you (from the cavs,to actually playing with Jordan 😲 3 peat, to Coby and shack, yeah awesome career Hall of famer career

  • @RunHotsauce
    @RunHotsauce 4 месяца назад

    Underrated ash bro

  • @sameernelson9684
    @sameernelson9684 4 месяца назад +5

    Ron harper is very unrated., he's very versatile😂.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 4 месяца назад

      Harper was the epitome of Sneaky Good 😂. He should have made 1 allstar team in his Cavs stint

  • @user-pl8ds1mj5p
    @user-pl8ds1mj5p 3 месяца назад

    A quick correction Ron Harper was cut his freshman year, not his sophomore year and he was told by the coach doing his junior year that he would not make the team as varsity so that’s why he transferred to Kaiser the same he can beat out his junior year, he was killing him at Kaiser, his junior and senior year no competitioncoach had nightmares at Kaiser high school a blessing for Ron Harper

  • @eugenedantzler4485
    @eugenedantzler4485 4 месяца назад +3

    If Ron never got injured...... We might be talking top 25 all time!!! Also.. I wish Big L was still here!

    • @dash4800
      @dash4800 4 месяца назад

      Dude, stop the hyperbole. He was a 22-23 ppg guy at his best. Why do people insist on inflating how good everyone was?

    • @eugenedantzler4485
      @eugenedantzler4485 4 месяца назад +1

      @@dash4800 yes but he was a two way player... That defense accounts for something as well. It's hard to do anything with a bad knee.

    • @dash4800
      @dash4800 4 месяца назад

      @@eugenedantzler4485 but at his best, extrapolated for a full career, he was never that good. He was never even all star caliber.

  • @sweetlew830
    @sweetlew830 4 месяца назад +2

    I’m so glad you did the original baby Jordan

  • @usmankenchi908
    @usmankenchi908 4 месяца назад +6

    Brian Grant

  • @DefeatHuNNid
    @DefeatHuNNid 4 месяца назад

    He won 96-2001 all championships damn!! That should be an record!!

  • @bigglilwayne7050
    @bigglilwayne7050 4 месяца назад +2

    Ron Harper could've been a Sprewell, but that knee injury turned him into a Jim Jackson/Vernon Maxwell hybrid

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      career changer for sure

  • @bobbyharry021490
    @bobbyharry021490 4 месяца назад +1

    Nah when Harper and Jordan teamed up it was over 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤

  • @tennisgleem
    @tennisgleem 4 месяца назад +1

    awesome video.....

  • @unappealingundesirable2826
    @unappealingundesirable2826 4 месяца назад

    34:00 As a Blazers fan, this KILLED.

  • @WinstonCorneilius
    @WinstonCorneilius 4 месяца назад

    Growing up in this era, I appreciate you doing this profile. Those bulls teams would have Bill Russell rings today

  • @BadgerWolf-19
    @BadgerWolf-19 4 месяца назад +1

    he lead that lakers 2000 team to the chip keeping Shaq and Kobe level headed. I just re-watched the whole playoff run. Harper did great...but Kobe had his breakout too.

  • @mathiasmaire9168
    @mathiasmaire9168 4 месяца назад

    That's what I like in your channel! The guy is even forgotten from the Last Dance! I don't like what ifs but I really wonder what the Cavs would have done if they had the trio Price-Harper-Daugherty longer. But I also have to say : Ron Harper never reached superstar level because he never developed a consistent enough perimeter shooting (mid-range, 3p, FT). Other than that, he was very good. He even got to the playoffs twice with the Clippers... and then the crash! I think you don't say enough how heavily criticized he was during his first two years with the Bulls. From 20 to 7 pts when you're supposed to be the replacement of MJ... That must have been a really tough time for him... Then I think he and Phil made a fantastic job by making Harper embrace a lesser role, but still important one. And there is no mystery why Phil brought Harper to LA. At the end, 5 titles including 4 as a starter. Respect. And congrats for the great vid!

    • @brainspin7518
      @brainspin7518 4 месяца назад

      I totally agree with you on the Cavs point made....If only.

  • @glaucouscactus
    @glaucouscactus 4 месяца назад +1

    Ron Harper is the best 6 man ever when he was with the Bulls. Great player, and very underrated imo.

    • @dash4800
      @dash4800 4 месяца назад +2

      Lol, he was the starting pg, not 6th man

  • @eksit101
    @eksit101 4 месяца назад

    Actually harp & manning reason why I watched clips. Grant it, all NBA games (especially clips) we're free on local tv. Was good to see him win a few here with the real team.
    Actually surprised you didn't mention Brad Daughtery being Jordan's teammate (a long with Perkins & worthy)

  • @ReyHugoTelevision614
    @ReyHugoTelevision614 4 месяца назад

    Harper was in dem skreetz of Cleveland lol😂

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      Dayton, not Cleveland. That's where his bros lived

  • @Mandown21
    @Mandown21 4 месяца назад +1

    Before his injury I watched Ron Harper Jack Jordan, go down an bang, slam dunk

  • @mauricemartin2982
    @mauricemartin2982 4 месяца назад +1

    Ron harper was a great before the injury. But he still did his best afterwards.

  • @richardyoon4209
    @richardyoon4209 2 месяца назад

    Insightful video, I always wondered why Cleveland traded Ron Harper to the Clippers at the time especially when Danny Ferry wasn't even available to play for the Cavs for a year. So Cavs got nothing for a year for Harper and it killed their 1990 season. It didn't help that Danny Ferry was a total bust later on

  • @lashgoshotwheels1127
    @lashgoshotwheels1127 4 месяца назад +3

    Thank you 😊

  • @TheSands83
    @TheSands83 4 месяца назад

    Harp was a great defender. Great in the transition game. Could hit the mid range jumper. Had that insane wingspan but struggled from outside but could knockdown the 3 enough to keep teams honest

  • @user-xq7wk9rl9z
    @user-xq7wk9rl9z 4 месяца назад +2

    So now you have to do Wally Z soon... another Miami of Ohio legend

  • @Bhutan_1212
    @Bhutan_1212 4 месяца назад

    No issues with speech. His game did the talking on both ends. If not for injuries we would be speaking about him in a completely different tone and at a different level. Even though his career didn't pan out the way it should have he was able to adapt and evolve, becoming a key role in championship teams. This is a true testament to his sheer will, physical abilities and basketball knowledge.
    🙏🏼🏆🕓

  • @jasonmardoniomeza1711
    @jasonmardoniomeza1711 4 месяца назад +1

    I agree. But we cant forget about Dominique Wilkins the human highlight reel.

  • @miguelalegria3614
    @miguelalegria3614 4 месяца назад

    The fact that all of these pre-90s players could be this athletic looking like broomsticks and basically wearing asphalt for shoes...

  • @typhillips490
    @typhillips490 4 месяца назад

    I was Ron Harper in my backyard. Facts ❤

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      Never got out of your background, did you?

  • @arpxdagoodone
    @arpxdagoodone Месяц назад

    I don't think Harp had only 10-ish points per games with the Bulls because of injuries. It was his duty to be a supportive member of the team behind MJ, Pippen, and Rodman. And he understood this very well.

  • @Riles3152
    @Riles3152 4 месяца назад

    Cleveland trading Harper set them back over a decade. It’s not to say that he was a superstar, but he was a star quality 2 guard that could at least match up with young MJ on both ends of the court. They made the ECF in 92 without him but they would have continued to compete to get to the finals with a healthy prime Harper.

  • @Polarcutter
    @Polarcutter 4 месяца назад +1

    Great player, fit that Bull’s team perfectly 🤙🏽

  • @cedricmccutchen3617
    @cedricmccutchen3617 4 месяца назад

    I really was glad when the bulls pick up Ron a big guard who can play defense and make clutch shots. Big back court that was the great days

  • @lanceparker4796
    @lanceparker4796 7 дней назад

    Worst trade ever was when the Cavs traded him for Danny Ferry. I was a Bulls fan and Ron Harper was very good. Especially in his Cavs days.

  • @samuraibeastwarrior2886
    @samuraibeastwarrior2886 4 месяца назад +3

    The name of the episode is call Foul Bull

  • @lashaunwilliams2864
    @lashaunwilliams2864 4 месяца назад

    A big part of why Jordan was so successful is because of all the talent he had around him. He played on super teams before they were called super teams.

  • @unappealingundesirable2826
    @unappealingundesirable2826 4 месяца назад +1

    21:10 How did Ron Harper get BETTER at defense, when he got older? 1991-92: Defense: C. For 1992-93, 1993-94 and 1994-95: Defense: D. Yet, for 1995-96: Defense: A+. One doesn't usually get BETTER at defense, when they're on the wrong side of 30!

  • @DeCurtaRican
    @DeCurtaRican 4 месяца назад

    I forgot how nice that Cleveland squad was. They nearly went to the NBA Finals in multiple years.

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      Never could get past the Bulls or the dirty Pistons. Tough division back then.

  • @ljavery10
    @ljavery10 4 месяца назад

    Good video..kinda random but can u do a video on DARYL STRAWBERRY..ik u can do him justice and he was fire

    • @ForgottenPlayerProfiles
      @ForgottenPlayerProfiles  4 месяца назад +1

      Appreciate it. I don't think I'll ever make baseball videos personally, I'm just not a huge fan and don't know nearly enough about the sport or the players to feel confident enough to make a good video.
      But I do hope that if the channel continues growing, that one day I can maybe bring someone on who knows a lot about other sports to help expand. So hopefully at some point some baseball vids will hit the channel. Probably won't be for awhile though.

    • @ljavery10
      @ljavery10 4 месяца назад

      @@ForgottenPlayerProfiles how bout Spud Webb lol.. I’m from Atl lol but hey man do ur thing I enjoyed ur videos u go in depth..loving the channel also.. hey u think u explore like college teams..like 91 unlv duke unc Kentucky Arkansas fab 5 etc..I’ve been subscribed btw..and maybe sum and 1 or Harlem globetrotters..peace and blessing bro

    • @ljavery10
      @ljavery10 4 месяца назад

      @@ForgottenPlayerProfiles and 1 more thing baseball in the 80s 90s was wild and was mixed with black white and Hispanic players with the most popular being the former…it was a lot of sex drugs alcohol fights and steroids abuse going on back then..nothing like this 2000’s boring bs…ok I’m finished frfr lol

  • @divinedelaware7541
    @divinedelaware7541 4 месяца назад

    He got two future pros in the making

  • @kmarkhamussco
    @kmarkhamussco 4 месяца назад +2

    Harper was a beast

  • @bradnobl
    @bradnobl 4 месяца назад

    I saw up close from '82-86 when we played Miami of Ohio. He'd score 25ppg every year.

    • @mjp96
      @mjp96 3 месяца назад

      "we"? who are we

  • @marvin7533
    @marvin7533 4 месяца назад

    Ron's defense was unbelievable

  • @OGStuDogg
    @OGStuDogg 3 месяца назад

    The Cavs really messed up putting Ehlo on MJ instead of Ron Harper... Harper one of the best all time especially on D

  • @rubengutierrez5102
    @rubengutierrez5102 22 дня назад

    Ron Harper was nice in College!

  • @James-ki5ix
    @James-ki5ix 4 месяца назад +2

    Thomas forgot about Wilkins

  • @rohbjennings
    @rohbjennings 4 месяца назад

    Damn always liked Harper and always have made an argument/claim that Harper had the ability to give Jordan the business before his injury. One thing I never noticed was the similarity to Trevor Ariza physically.

  • @BrandanTheBroker
    @BrandanTheBroker 4 месяца назад

    Ron Harper was one part of a stacked Cleveland Cavs team, and I do believe had Cleveland not shot themselves in the foot trading him away, they would have been the ones to ascend before Chicago. I do understand the team was in, and Harper admits the crowd he ran with back then wasn't the best, but nothing ever became of the situation and in turn Cavs ruined what could have been a deep run to the finals.