so you mean an engine that is insane, but a chassis and body that is assembled by teams of engineers who have gone over it and spent more than the GDP of a small country just to make sure the panels are solid and wont rust out? sounds fine to me!
@@laporchen7158 linus and his windows fans are probably also the reason the Mac Address thumbnails look so pessimistic. Like this one, it’s overwhelming positive but he has to make the pessimistic face like he smelled a fart to please the Mac hating Linus group.
@@Soccera0 That’s not how you determine what is someone valued at and even then it wouldn’t mean he’s actually that wealthy - he’d need to sell the company, which he didn’t. Even if he did, he’s not the sole owner, it wouldn’t be all his (never mind the taxes). The offer was to buy the company, meaning the company is worth less (because selling a company for the value of the company itself would be stupid unless it’s failing). And that offer is outdated. Revenue on RUclips was better back then and they’ve since made new investments.
I love how videos from this channel have the same production value of all LTT videos, but it has its own aura. The offscreen narration is awesomely sharp, the script is well written and entertaining without having to rely on questionable puns, and everything looks colorful and matte for some reason, and my eye balls love it. I just wish it had more content though. Thanks guys!
Totally agree. I also don't really follow the Apple ecosystem that closely, but this channel makes me interested in every product they review or every topic they cover.
Weird how some people put so much emphasis on production while I’m simply here for the content. I’m in no way having a go at you Riccardo, your succinctly written breakdown was impeccable- and I wholeheartedly agree!
@@TheSocialProfileas one of those people who watches for the production value, I honestly couldn’t care less about what apple’s doing but these videos feel cozy and nice to watch
Oh lord, you're talking about me. I'm a 2018 iPad owner who has been recently thinking of upgrading to this M4 iPad. That's insane, right? I only use this thing to surf Amazon or watch RUclips when I'm travelling, which is one or two weeks out of the year. There's no justification for this, right? The 2018 iPad is sitting right next to me, sleeping. I woke it up earlier this week to update the OS, it still runs fine, no major decrease in battery life. If iPadOS 16 is going to be the last OS to support it... maybe next year.
My 2018 died a couple of weeks ago and the repair quote was more than it was worth. So now I have the M4 version. My advice is if you think your 2018 has another two years of life in it, then it is probably worth staying with it. The new one is a lot of nice minor improvements, but doesn’t fundamentally change anything. My top three improvements would be the nano-texture display, the new camera position and the Smart Keyboard. This time the silver version is the way to go, looks much nicer than the black.
M4 iPad Pro owner here I work in the music and theatre industry needing a highly mobile device for touring. Upgrading from a 2016 MacBook Pro, I've found the weight difference so much better, making it easy to carry in my backpack or Pelican case without a second thought. However, there are a few drawbacks. Some apps don't support true full screen on an external monitor, and the file system is still completely homeless, though I mainly use SharePoint. I also wish wireless mouse connectivity was better, with an actual cursor. On the positive side, I was pleasantly surprised by the seamless USB connection with my OfficeJet 250 printer. The new Magic Keyboard feels very premium, the OLED upgrade is outstanding, and the speakers are impressive. Built-in 5G has been a lifesaver in venues and hotels with trash networks. The ability to scan and sign documents with the Apple Pencil is also elite. Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and look forward to seeing how it improves over time.
I have an M1 iPad Pro and every update makes me really want to just get a Macbook Air. Except only if they can give a full range hinge and a touch screen, I'd be willing to bump the price up $200 for those features, or give up on some performance if needed. There are just so many apps my iPad cant do cause they dont exist on the store, but the form factor for the hardware is second to none since M silicon. Its a shame the products just 9/10s when they are so close to being perfect. My recommendation is to skip the Pro line and go with a $300 iPad, its an insane value and I still have one from 7 years ago that is the same in every way, just not as good in every way.
Personally I just wait for a discounted air and then bought an M1 Macbook Air. Mainly cause I like rosegold and black, dark blue and grey are boring ass colors. I bought an Ipad like a year or two prior from best Buy and I think I got the pen from Woot. Still use it to this day. I have had the Ipad and while it is fine, I definitely perfer the second generation pen over the first. If you aren't using the pen then 100% agree with you.
In my years using tablet, I find that using RUclips from browser, gives me the best experience. It plays on the background, it can use PiP, it can play while screen is locked.
There’s a workaround on iPadOS and iOS. If you put the app in PiP mode, then scroll down from the top of the screen into the Notification Center, it will pause the video. Unpause, then lock your iPhone/iPad, then boom, background play
@@watercannonscollaboration2281 When I was using iPad, the trick was make the video full screen, then just swipe up to home screen. It will automatically make PiP
It also can’t correctly utilize a second screen. The app assumes that a 1440p monitor must be a physically smaller display so it keeps pushing low quality content and makes the interface ridiculously large. It also, for some reason, can’t get the aspect ratio of the second screen right so parts of the interface while playing a video in fullscreen are missing (as in, they’re beyond the borders of the screen). And it doesn’t work well with the pencil (many of the same issues as using a trackpad). RUclips music app is also woefully bad as it’s literally handling the interface as though you were on a phone. The interface is ridiculously large, defaults to fullscreen mode in landscape mode which hides the playlist and controls and shows the artwork across the whole screen. This is a general theme with Google and before you start tinking it’s an issue just on Apple devices, no it’s just as bad on Android devices. Google has always been the main offender when it came to Android tablets and foldable phones because they couldn’t be assed to make a decent interface. They completely ignore concepts such as user experience and instead push the minimum viable product.
I’m glad you addressed the fact that the M4 chip is partially designed to handle the upcoming AI needs on the iPad. You didn’t really think about how much more efficient the M4 is at power consumption and heat. The fact that the latest iPad Pro runs dual OLED and performs smoothly for GPU intensive games in such a thin shape is a feat of engineering that gets ignored. The shelf life for this M4 will be at least 5 years so I look at it as a significant lifecycle refresh vs someone who had an AX series chip. Also yes most people will not look to edit video on this device, but rather basic tasks such as media consumption, email / messaging, and browsing with light note taking. As a business traveler I love the lightweight of the 13” iPP. I love the new camera placement and the function row. I could’ve bought a MBA but I love taking notes and jotting down thoughts on a plane. I also like eReading. I hope that app developers like Google will embrace iPadOS and fix the bugs in their apps like YT and Google Docs. However I can get 95% of my work done on the device without all of the bulk.
I hope this 2024 iPad Pro is like a Foundation of the M4 Pro/M4 Max Macbook Pros, bringing the OLED and slightly thinner design without compromises on ports. Btw, its an amazing iPad, but I think its too much for a limited Software, so thats why I got the M2 iPad Air instead and oh boy I love that thing so much. (I came from a 2020 8th gen base iPad)
I agree it’s more an accessory than anything standalone for productivity. However the M1 12.9” is 1/3 of the price of this new one, you can literally buy 3 and give 2, to family and you still have an incredible iPad. Because of the M1 chip it will be supported for many years to come, probably as long as the M4.
I really wanted to upgrade to this Ipad for this display alone but the compression from sidecar has killed that possibility for me. I just bought a viewsonic 15" portalble OLED monitor and it's GORGEOUS and only $499. Plugs in with one cable and allows me to dial in my noise removal and grain that I add to my videos and short films. Not nearly as bright as my Ipad but COMEON Apple! If I'm using a thunderbolt 4 cable to plug directly in there is NO REASON to be compressing my image like that!
@@Steven-e7c I would not call it bad, for 95% of use you would never notice, but when it comes down to dialing in noise reduction levels and adding film grain simulation, any amount of compression is too much. I still use my M1 Ipad Pro as a second monitor with my M3 Ipad Air but I also use my 15" Viewsonic OLED as a clean feed program monitor, displaying my images with pixel accuracy. The Ipad handles my extra toolbars and such but I don't rely on it for critical accuracy. Having a portable three monitor "beast mode" macbook air setup is pretty rad and using the ipad kinda makes it possible. So I definitely recommend it but you defnintely don't need the latest Tandem OLED model for that.
Still rocking the 2018 iPad Pro 12.9" model (best "future proofed" computer ever owned). And yes, I will purchase this "over priced" iPad Pro this Christmas season to mate to my M3 Pro MacBook Pro model and 27" Studio Display setup. Because, for the most part, one can build a home ecosystem using Apple components because they last so long and still be productive over a long period of time.
I don't get it. You claim they "last so long", which I agree btw, but you are upgrading from a perfectly working device? Wait...2018 was almost years ago...damn, but my 2017 ipad pro still works...
@@johnlg91it's the duality of apple users. The products apparently last so long, yet upgrading is almost all they talk about. It's almost kind of insane to me that longevity is preached so much when it's like apple laptops have practically only existed since 2021 (since they had 5 years of unreliable butterfly garbage)
@@johnlg91 I understand. Upgrading my 2018 iPad Pro is NOT a high priority but two factors make the upgrade to a M4 iPad Pro model is beneficial for me. The new thinner design provides a useful weight reduction and ergonomic benefit for stand-alone hand held browsing and pen work. (My current 2018 iPad Pro really wasn't that comfortable being used - just - as a browsing tablet. As a stationary deskbound "magic keyboard" assisted device that provides a secondary display screen to my home desktop system, this 2018 iPad is still useful and quite functional. Also, the 2018 version does NOT provide full stage manager capability when connected to my Studio Display monitor. Those are the primary reasons for an eventual upgrade. Having a fast M4 chip based design and dual OLED display is desired but not necessary for a reason to "rush on out" and upgrade. I can wait a bit but it would be nice to have my 2018 iPad model as a secondary iPad or backup. Besides, in just six months, this 2018 will be a seven year old model. Time to upgrade.
The Nano-Texture display was the killer feature for me. Held off at first due to not needing more than base level storage, but then my 2018 died and I figured, if I’m in, I’m all in. The thing most reviews don’t mention is that not only does it block most reflections, it also feels so much nicer as well.
Finally some sanity! I don't get all the YT hatred towards nano-texture. I absolutely love it on my Studio Display and I know I would enjoy it a lot on an iPad as well. If we could only get that option on the base models ... 😌
I mean, you kinda nailed it in the first section...this display is probably as good as displays that cost over 10,000. Think of it as a smart TV/monitor. I currently use m2 ipad Pro + MacBook Pro 16" and its basically perfect. I can have a multi monitor setup. I can take the ipad to watch things on the couch. I can plug my laptop into a tv, and then control it using the ipad. Its so flexible, and its the obvious intended use case, to be a supplemental device. I think that everyone who is waiting for the ipad to replace a laptop is going to be waiting a long time...if you just use it as intended as a complement to your existing setup, it is basically perfect. That isn't to say you can't take some meetings on it, or edit some documents, its very useful, but its just not meant to replace a macbook pro. There might be some overlap with the macbook air, where if you are just checking emails, joining zoom calls, and editing documents, this might be enough. I have found that naturally i gravitate to the iPhone for some tasks, the iPad for others, the Apple TV for others, and the MacBook Pro for others. Each has its own niche, and depending on the size of screen i want, the user interface, and the location, each one perfectly nails its niche.
100% agree with you, in theory. The problem is that Apple does not. The attachable keyboard and trackpad, “pro” level apps, stage manager, Apple marketing, all implying the iPad can replace your laptop. In reality, the iPad as an all-in-one device overpromises and under-delivers. That is why this argument exists and persists. Restricted to the clear use cases you identified, the iPad fits perfectly into its niche and does what it does well. But Apple is clearly trying to make the iPad capable of much more, and the result is a Frankenstein of sorts that does many laptop-like things but excels at none of them.
@@ryanw8664 I don't think they are at all trying to position it as a replacement to the macbook pro, they did do that marketing campaign "what is a computer?", but as I mentioned, if you were using a MacBook Air primarily, and you are mainly doing office stuff like emails, meetings, notes, document editing, and are not a power user, it can probably work perfectly fine. For someone who just interacts with notion, google docs, zoom, and gmail, it can be your primary computer pretty easily. That being said, there are a few tasks where it can work extremely well, and arguably better than a laptop (drawing in procreate, etc). I would say that many users WANT the iPad to be more than it is (as many people asked that it be able to run MacOS), but I think Apple has generally been pretty clear that it isn't meant to replace a MacBook Pro or a Mac Studio. tldr: iPad Pro can be your office computer, it's never been meant to do everything or replace a laptop for power users, it does excel at certain tasks that rely on using apple pencil.
@@ryanw8664not to mention the price. I’m also neck deep in the ecosystem but I’ve never bought Apple’s fan argument about “using it the way Apple intends”. They packed way too much hardware into the iPad, for it to be “complementary hardware”. If it just has a “buffed” iPhone chip to be used as a large iPod, mini TV as before or the base iPad, fine. This thing has laptop level hardware, great touch screen, an attachable keyboard, cost 1.5k, yet get held back by software. Apple clearly knows it too since they gutted the base iPad, making it unable to be used with the latest Apple Pencil to segment the market.
I bought one as my first apple device. Primarily it is used to view and preliminarily edit photos I take out in the field. For studio shots I use it to control the camera - with the correct cable connecting them the lag is virtually non-existent and the huge screen is a boon for live view. Haven't tried it with any astrophotography yet. My main gripe is pared down software meaning, 9 times out of 10, I still prefer to edit on my desktop when I'm back home. But the plus side is it should last plenty of time for things like Lightroom to get updated to a better state. As for photoshop it misses several handy filters but most can be manually recreated, like the high pass filter. That said, where it really shines is editing at a higher dynamic range (shooting at 14bit gives up to 4 extra stops). My overall take is that if you've already got an ipad ignore it. Otherwise, and if the reasons Jonathan mentioned include you, go right ahead. Hopefully it holds its value well.
Every single time I use my iPad I am infinitely frustrated at how annoying iPadOS is to *use*. It reminds me more of an expensive accessory to a Mac, than an iPad. The iPad Mini feels most like an "iPad" to me. Perfect example is, browsers aren't "Browsers". You can't just install any extension you want and have them be universally compatible. It's infinitely frustrating, and issues like this happen in so many scenarios. The hardware on this product is astounding and I truly love this iPad but the software is just so behind. Keeping my M1 iPad Pro + iPad Mini combo. This is a specialists tool, not an iPad (to me). I'm just not the market for it and that's okay. Display is mindblowing though.
@@AndrewPL5 You say tomato, I suppose… The net effect is the same, they always overcharged for the RAM upgrade and now they’ve taken away the less expensive option to force new buyers into the overcharge.
@@PrinceAlberts your tomato reference is weird. My point still stands, the base model wasn't removed, just upgraded. And of course more costly. I don't disagree that they just want to charge more, the lower spec version should have not disappeard. Now we're forced to spend more on an "upgrade" we didn't need.
@@AndrewPL5 I mean that Apple either took away the affordable option or they upgraded the base model and raised the price. Which one you believe depends on your point of view. Because the price bump matches the price you would’ve paid last year for the exact same specs, I see it as they took away the base model and replaced it with the costlier option. You say they bumped the specs on the base model, I say they took away the affordable option so they can force you to pay the Apple tax. You say tomato, I say tomato.
@@PrinceAlberts welcome to capitalism. Look at every new product, the companies "increase specs" and charge more with no cheaper options. The apple blame game is boring when most companies do it yet only apple gets the heat. Samsung for example just did this with their new fold phones, the specs are increased and they charged more, instead of offering lower specs still for cheaper. Greed is ruining this world
I have to get this since Apple stopped updating the iPad Pro 2017 model. It still runs perfectly to this day-I'm typing on one right now. Barring battery issues with both my iPad and the pencil, it is absolutely perfect for day-to-day use. This is my note-taking device and my RUclips-watching device. I did have Apple's original folio keyboard, but it just randomly stopped working, and the lack of a trackpad made it less useful. Considering this device has lasted me almost six years, which is very rare, I believe this new model will be worth it for the long run.
I have seen four major use cases for iPads in general: Kids College students for notes Artists for drawing Musicians for sheet music None of these use cases require a keyboard, and most only the Pencil.
The keyboard is useful when you have to make a document using microsoft word/google docs or for emails. The keyboard would be very useful for this use cases
Ngl, iPads are good laptops replacement if you only need to write stuff, so for humanities students or just high school students they will probably suffice
Yep, used my iPad in college for note taking, and haven’t used it since except to try out using it as a second monitor when I got my Mac. I’m only ever using my phone or my laptop, never my iPad.
speaking as one of those college students, the pencil is great for notes but I prefer the keyboard for writing a paper or something, and I'd rather not have to carry around two devices for that
I bought an iPad Air, and use it for flight school and as my primary laptop (though I do have a desktop at home). The flight planning softwares we use struggle to run smoothly on older iPads, and the iPad Mini screen is just too small, as we have a moving GPS map and I typically have it strapped to my thigh with a kneeboard. It's great with the pencil to also take notes quickly while we're listening to ATC instructions. It's also nice for planning, as with Stage Manager I can have notes, weather, routes, and airport information up all at once, and have another stage for weight and balance, fuel, and other mathy things. Niche use case, but damn does it ever nail it
I just need a terminal with root access. Then they don't need to change anything, I have wings. But there's no chance that's happening since it'll effectively circumvent the app store. I really want to use the ipad professionally but it's hard to use it as anything other than a couch computer (unless you have an app perfect for your work).
Little bit of criticism: The graph at 2:23 has some wonk axes. If you aren't starting your lumens at 0, please make that more obvious. The actual variance in the luminosity was very small (only a couple percent) and this graph makes it look huge. Also why timestamp instead of just time since the start? This graph just looks really unfinished.
I actually disagree with you on this one. Your argument would make sense if the graph was meant to compare the variance in luminosity. But the graph was just used a visual to aid the statement "After half an hour this display was still blasting full white screen at 1000 nits". The scale doesn't matter.
I want to get one, but I still have my 2018 and it works perfectly. I would if the external display would work properly, but having tried out in order to convince myself to upgrade, it doesn't. I guess I'll stick with mine until updates stop or it dies
My iPad is an amazing Macbook replacement for when I'm on the go. But can't use it at home for daily work. I can edit on it, but it's easier on my MacBook, but then color grading is better on iPad, though, because of the wider color gamut and contrast (better REC2020). I can't code on my iPad. Terminal emulators and ssh are *fine* but better running local. I've tried. I just want on MacOS on the iPad.
Apple will never put macos on ipad, because they make fun Microsoft surface in the past for being a "weird 2-in-1 pc without an identity". Also, why would you sell one product that can do everything, when you can sell two things for double the profit.
@@keithframe3489no the iPad is the one with an identity crisis. It doesn’t know if it wants to be a hardcore device or a RUclips machine. And yeah, praise them for milking more money out of us. Surface pro 11 has an identity, being a laptop with a tablet form factor, and now with excellent battery life, it’s a great tool for artists, and is a much better deal. Apple could make the perfect device but won’t even though a specced out iPad Pro cost more than an iPad Air and MacBook Air combined without the magic keyboard and pen.
I think Apple should make an iPadProOS where it takes all the features you’re missing from macOS and brings them to iPadOS and still keeps the core iPadOS experience.
@@donyoung333And that problem will be solved when Apple allows you to run MacOS apps on this branch of iPadOS, which will probably be kneecapped because of that sweet sweet App Store revenue.
I bought the dbrand iPhone leather skin and the adhesive sucks. It constantly peels up when I take it in and out of my pocket. Dbrand has been curiously silent on making it right.
I have a 2018 iPad Pro. I used it throughout college for notetaking, word processing and other college stuff. But now that it’s going on seven years it has started to show its age. Battery doesn’t last as long, the display doesn’t get as bright as it used to and my logictech keyboard is starting to go as well. I still use my iPad daily despite not having Netflix or RUclips or anything like that. Best Buy currently has the 13 inch model for $100 off so I think I might pull the trigger. My iPad doesn’t get replaced like my phone so I think knowing that it has the latest processor gives me peace of mind I won’t have to upgrade it for another seven years.
For digital art I would just get the 13" Air with the new Pencil Pro. The only thing the iPad Pro adds that maybe could be a bonus in that use-case is the nano-textured glass but you have to upgrade to like 1TB-way way way overkill for digital art-to unlock it, and I'm hearing that it's not quite what you'd find on a Cintiq for added friction.
For my use my 11” M4 Pro with Magic Keyboard has been an ideal replacement for a MacBook. It does pretty much everything I used to do on my MacBook with the extra ability of being able to draw on it and chill on the couch reading a book in portrait mode. What it does make me want though is a Mac mini. I haven’t owned or wanted a desktop computer in a very long time but now I can see how a mini and a iPad would make good book ends to each other.
It just bothers me that, if you want a display with a higher refresh rate, you *have* to get the Pro iPad. Which now START at 1200 euros, or 1800 Canadian. Even the Air costs 699, or roughly 1000 Canadian. It's just a lot of money for a device I mainly use for browsing and content consumption while travelling. Now, I've been thinking about getting a refurbished Pro from 2018, as that does come with the 120Hz display, USB-C and the modern design. But even those will run me about 500 euros. It's annoying. My current iPad is now out of the update cycle so I need to get a new one soon.
The problem with paying so much for an iPad and then using it for a long time is battery life. It is just not there after 3-5 years and it’s so hard to replace the battery on iPads compared to even iPhones
The trackpad issue on the Magic Keyboard is a huge issue. In fact, I find myself walking away and grabbing the MacBook Pro at least 3 times a day. We don’t really need an iPad Pro that isn’t pro. I looked up my trade value for the iPad Mini…I get money back. So, I’ll wait a month or two to figure out when the new mini update will be coming….but Im done with PRO PRICING and regular iPad performance.
I used to use my 6th gen iPad as my main computer for high school, and it worked great for me then, but since I graduated and moved on to university it has been almost completely replaced by my MacBook Pro. I'm a CS major so I need to do a lot of programming which isn't really feasible on an iPad because of iPadOS. It's still fantastic for taking notes, and I use it along with a bluetooth page turner for when I'm performing music, but aside from those two use cases there isn't really anything else that it's good for anymore. I'm considering upgrading it since it won't be getting iPadOS 18, and the Math notes feature seems like it'll be SUPER useful when it's ready, but that's really the only thing driving me to upgrade so if I do, it'll probably just be to the base model iPad.
Picked up a Samsung galaxy tab S9 ultra a few months back, and I would recommend it over this if using a mouse that operates like you would expect is important to you. I don’t understand why Apple still won’t smooth out mouse operation when the magic keyboard would be perfect if they did. They’re just handing Samsung a free W because of that.
Yes I upgraded from 2018 iPad 11” and love the new 13” I traded in and got the student discount plus 100 dollar gift card was well worth the upgrade. I am a student which uses the iPad as a notebook and it feels awesome. I did not go for the iPad Air 13” due to the refresh rate which I did not want to lose. However this iPad will last me beyond graduate school which is going to be great!
Agree. This obsession with ultra thin at the expense of battery is silly. Also don’t get me started with those breathless RUclipsrs infatuation with making bezels so small that the device is harder to hold.
Absolutely Love my M4 iPad the screen is amazing andc if plays death stranding at full resolution and other games while staying cool and never dimming the screen. I really hope that the M3 MacBook Pro’s get this tandem OLED screen but I’ve heard it will only come on the M5. Won’t be buying a new MacBook until it has this screen.
I bought an iPad Pro 13-inch M4 along with the new Magic Keyboard. I’m noticing an issue with the Trackpad, and I’m not sure if it’s a software or hardware problem. The issue is that sometimes the swipe to the right and left doesn’t work on the home screen, and sometimes it works to the right but not to the left. Also, the right-click doesn’t bring up the menu that usually appears with a right-click. This problem also occurs with the Magic Mouse specifically with this device, but the Magic Mouse works perfectly with other devices! Additionally, I’m unable to left-click and drag using the Magic Keyboard Trackpad. Note: If I detach the iPad from the keyboard and then reattach it, the problem disappears but comes back when I turn off the screen. Sometimes I turn on the screen, and there’s no issue! There’s no consistent pattern! I’ve found many people online who have the same problem, but not a single RUclipsr has talked about it?? Is this a software or hardware problem? Also swiping right or left inside the apps like Photo app does not work unless I swipe once with my finger on the screen, it starts working after doing this !!
Funny thing is, I have been using the iPad because I'm a digital artist, and the display for the iPad pro 11 inch was so much better than what I could get on comparably priced Macbooks/windows laptops. It was 850 dollars for me to get for the base model, and I can do whatever I wanted on my old laptop on it, and it lasts forever in comparison.
Still rocking my 2013 ipad air as a more or less pure youtube/podcasts machine. Almost nothing else is working anymore and the 16gb are hindering as well. But it does well for what it needs to do.
I decided to keep my 12.9 2018 iPad Pro for another maybe 3 years or more. And I am trying to get a Vision Pro for a much amazing experience. Especially when I found the price gap of a fully loaded (gear wise) 13 inch iPad Pro (512gb+pencil pro+Smart Keyboard+AppleCare) between a base Vision Pro is far lesser than I think. My future plan will be enjoy the Vision Pro and keep using my lovely 2018 iPad Pro till it break or dated. Then I will try to find a used M2 iPad Pro since I already owned that "overpriced" Magic Keyboard.
I want an iPad that works like an iPad when it's not hooked to the keyboard and like OSX when it is. I'm not sure that's what people are looking for, but that's me. No bloody circle where a mouse cursor should be. I would also disable the touch screen whenever a keyboard is installed. I have just never understood touch screens on laptops and I have never understood keyboards on iPads. They are two fundamentally different things that I use for completely different purposes. They can be merged into one device, but they must let me switch between the two modes depending on what peripherals I have plugged in.
Yeah, that's what I've been saying and what I can see Apple replacing all of the Macs with if they get a good enough data and power connector for the keyboard Pro etc.
The iPad Pro has been limited by its OS from the beginning. Apple just keeps throwing hardware at it to keep the “Pro” distinction going. I had a 2018 iPad Pro and upgraded to the M2 version. Yes, I could have just kept the 2018 version considering what I use the iPad for, but I wanted one with an M processor. That said, as nice as the M4 version is, I’ll be hanging on the M2 version until Apple stops supporting it, which I suspect won’t be for a long time.
Sales Rep and I run a pretty healthy business with a lot of moving parts. My M4 11 is my out the door. Just things you can do with the iPad you can’t with the Mac, like jotting a note. Great in tight spaces. I’ve made friends with the OS, not perfect, but not painful either. Love the form factor and the responsiveness of the keyboard and track pad. Pencil is a nice upgrade as well. Love writing with the fountain pen setting. Cheers.
As someone that upgraded from a M1 to M4 iPad Pro, I will say that i do notice the performance bump. From just the browsing on chrome to apps like Excel, PowerPoint etc. Is the extra power necessary, absolutely not. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that the iPad can’t make use of it. Okay tbh, I’m just looking for a way to justify my ridiculous upgrade. haha
Thank you for giving examples of how iPadOS is limited compared to macOS, there are so MANY simple things that make it feel less of a computer that you feel sooo limited while using it. Installing fonts, dealing with multitasking, drag and drop not always working, an app can’t have menu windows, exporting to different formats, ‘and all of those you mentioned. This was the review I wanted, you gave CLEAR examples of how it feels to use iPadOS, thank you!
I want to love it... but my M2 12.9" Pro does everything I want it to do. I bought an iPad mini, which I use way more when I'm out, it's great for content creating when I'm in the bush on the bike, the 12.9" is just too big for that, so it stays at home pretty much all the time. I don't know what Apple could do to convince me to upgrade, but I won't for a while. I'll just wait to see if the next MacBook gets the tandem OLED, then trade in my M1 MBP, thank you very much.
Not the new one, but I got a refurbished m1 iPad Pro 12.9” a few months ago, and that with a Magic Keyboard are all I need. I use it mainly for content consumption, web browsing, and the occasional google doc (spreadsheet or word document). I also use it to offload photos from my iPhone for storage or editing.
If you're upgrading from the 2018 iPad Pro in 2024 and you own the pencil/keyboard, the choice is really very-simple: $399 M1 IPad Air from Walmart, $599 M2 iPad Pro from Best Buy, or the $1500 M4 iPad Pro with new keyboard and pencil. I went with the M2 iPad Pro because I could keep my old accessories and I get 99% of the same experience as the new one.
I don’t understand people getting the Magic Keyboard for iPad and then try to only use the trackpad as it was a Mac. I use a mouse and keyboard on a regular old ipad and integrating it with touch i honestly find it far more comfortable than my MacBook Air M2, i just do things quicky and i find it much rasure to multitask and focus
I work in IT, I’m in DevOps, I do network systems and security engineering. I can do my entire job on my 2018 iPad Pro EXCEPT I can’t serial console into a device which is a pain. But I can use a jump server via rdp and run PuTTY…however I need to tether to my phone or connect to WiFi, which isn’t always viable when I’m setting up a network from zero and subsequently…there’s no WiFi, or I’m in a place with no cellular data service, which is common in datacenters.
I just want to know who among us customers wants things thinner and thinner? Never in my life have I heard someone say "I wish this was thinner". They should make it THICKER so we can have a better battery and a sturdier construction (and a flippin head phone jack!). Thats actually what we want as far as I can tell.
I feel like the iPad is the biggest commercial testing ground for apple. They can test chips, displays and even software ideas. It feels like the late 80s and early 90s Nintendo days and their RnD and Gameboy department.
It's easily the best display in my homestead, with my LG C3 being close second. For the price, the base Tab S9 is nice too, now that it has a an OLED just like it's bigger brothers; and it's a lot more portable than this gargantuan iPad. Still don't regret it though, and I use it quite a bit, daily. The only non oled display in my home is on my Macbook, which funny enough, cost the most of any device I own, by *far*.
We need to remember this is an iPad and the pro marketing is towards iPad users. So for iPad users this can do so much more. And back in 2016 Phil Schiller said these iPad Pros are for those who use 10 yr old windows pcs for that dusty old spreadsheet. It’s a nice iPad but not a desktop OS. The software is still a baby compared to OS X.
I recently switched to a Samsung tab ultra from an iPad air. It has been a breath of fresh air in terms of feature availability and utility. I was convinced that iPad was the only sensible high end tablet choice, now I don't. I understand that this is a mac channel, but I feel like if customers became more aware of the viable competition it could be a good thing for everyone.
Feature availability? Can you open two Word documents side by side? No, not even in Dex. In such a specific use case, iPad is indeed the only sensible tablet choice, because anything running Android will close the first document before opening another one, iPad can have multiple docs opened at the same time.
I don't believe that. What "feature availability and utility" does it offer that the iPad doesn't? I can't think of a single thing. I'm not saying it's not a viable alternative, but I'm not sure what you can do with it that you can't do with the iPad.
@@chrys9256the problem then becomes, what can't you do on these tablets compared to a Microsoft Surface with full-fat Windows? as much as Apple and Samsung try to push their tablets as ultra-versatile computing solutions, their mobile-OS roots limit them to an unacceptable level. Apple has the capability to do such a thing and blow Microsoft offerings out of the water to become the de-facto solution, but the desparity remains generations later.
@@macmick Well, yeah you can. It seems that the Word app does not allow this, but Microsoft 365 app can be opened in multiple instances. So it seems like it is an app not OS problem. (Also there are more involved hacks available to achieve this functionality if you want the word app.)
This whole video reminds me of the time before the original iPad keynote where pretty much ALL the leaks suggested iPad will have OSX. With it having Thunderbolt and the same CPU as a MacBook there is no longer no reason why Apple shouldn’t let OSX run on it.
great review, thanks! I'm about to buy one, but I'm a little worried about the PWM. How are your eyes? Do you get tired or dry eyes after using it? Many people complain about screen discomfort, headaches etc
Actually just got one thru work, first iPad I've really used in a long time. We got them due to travel and the ability to mark up(red line) drawings of we are on the floor. I think this just makes me think it isn't the consumers who really make apple the big bucks but enterprise.
I love how this channel takes its time with producing reviews. It gives them the kind of perspective that only comes with prolonged experience. To the people who will surely argue “Stop trying to make the iPad a laptop,” I humbly suggest they say the same to Apple. The attachable keyboard and trackpad, "pro" level apps, stage manager, Apple marketing, all implying the iPad can replace your laptop. In reality, the iPad as an all-in-one device overpromises and under-delivers. That is why this argument exists and persists. When used for more classical tablet activities, the iPad fits perfectly into its niche as a supplemental device and does what it does well. But Apple is clearly trying to make the iPad capable of much more, and the result is a Frankenstein of sorts that does many laptop-like things but excels at none of them. iPadOS should either go back to the basics or needs a complete overhaul, but Apple needs to figure out what it truly wants the iPad to be first.
Seriously, the iPad Pro continues to make no sense. Why have a magic keyboard if it is useless half the time? Why have so much power but not be able to use it?
The hardware is amazing, but the OS is so limiting that it doesn't matter. To me, the iPad with apple pencil is what you get instead of a Wacom. I'll use my m1 iPad air until it dies while hoping and dreaming that procreate comes out on android, so I don't need to ever buy another iPad.
If you tweak the accessibility settings you can get a regular mouse to work just fine with IPad Os. I have a usb C dock and plug it into a monitor, keyboard, and mouse on my desk no problem. Only issue I’m not sure about because I don’t use it is how it does/doesn’t work with network drives. Our company uses windows computers for that.
I bought a M1 iPad Pro soon after release, knowing it would likely last many years, M1 is such a good foundation, and the OS is so.. limiting. My view hasn't changed since then. The OS holds it back bigtime, and until that changes in a fundamental way, the M1 should be great for the sort of supplemental use, that it seems designed for.
The M4 iPad Pro is all about the screen. If you have an existing m series iPad and think my screen is amazing and I need nothing more move along. If you are a screen person, welp apple heard your cry and here you go the best screen you can get regardless of form factor at this price. So this leaves me with a buy it if that matters, and if it does not welp rock on that current iPad till it meets and unfortunate demise.
I bought the 11in base model trading my used ipad mini 6 and bought an open box for $680. Well worth it, i cant stress enough, the thinness makes such a difference in holding it and moving around. But all i do with it is just web browse and watch videos. If you're reasonable, this is overkill. But hey, it is the best one ever until next year. You cant go wrong with it if you have the money for it.
I love it. I switched from android a few months back to iPhone SE3 (wanted to start slow just in case). Its a better experience by a lot. So, after getting the iphone I thought "why the hell not?" and got the m4 on launch. Every tablet Ive had in the past was android and they all sucked. I do think the air probably is the better choice for most people, but I don't have buyers remorse or anything. Retroarch with CRT shaders on this is fucking insane. Steamlink plays fine and looks great on this. Oddly enough my biggest complaint is ... FACE ID. For something that is going to be used most of the time as a notebook placed flat on a table, you'd think they would of realized how much of a pain in the ass it is to unlock via face ID. Some type of touch id or something would of been better. I do a lot of art and music stuff and so far its been great. I dont really use it for BS stuff (twitter, youtube, tiktok, etc) but I think I might get even more mileage adding those time waste apps on here.
Still staying on my iPad Pro 2018 and even that is debatable. I mostly use it for taking notes or university stuff, but that’s also my biggest complaint about it. I can ONLY use it in these scenarios. I can’t just treat it like a Mac and write LaTeX on it for my thesis. But I also can’t just take my Macbook with me, because I can’t use the Apple pencil on it and it’s more bothersome to type stuff out than to quickly annotate something… That really frustrates me
Honestly, if someone ever makes a virtual machine app on iPad or be able to boot MacOS in an iPad (or even Asahi-Fedora), that person will be loved by thousands of people but be sued to oblivion by Apple. I tried my friend's new iPad Pro and it was immaculate. But I don't see the need to gravitate towards it since the apps I mainly use on my Mac aren't there or are extremely bad like DaVinci Resolve. It's literally so close to perfection, all it needs is that one push.
I couldn’t do it. I got the M2 iPad Air instead. The M4 seemed too much and the OLED and Pencil features weren’t enough to make the price worth it. I upgraded from that venerable 2017 iPad Pro which, to the new Air, seems little more than a lateral move. But it has an M2 and will supported well into the future. I don’t believe iPadOS and macOS should merge, but something needs to be done with the iPad’s usability. Last year, bought a grad an iPad Pro for college. His choice: he knew how to use an iPhone, never used a Mac before. He still had to use his friend’s laptop for assignments, needed up getting a used MacBook as well.
Great to see you back man. As a fellow Canadian in Northern Alberta who bikes over 1000km each summer hopping curbs and going off the beaten path, it's not fun worrying about infections and living life in pan. Live and learn. I haven't yet.
2018 pro woo. honestly tho, there is zero reason to upgrade any time soon, i managed to keep running a mini2 until 2021, when apps stopped supporting the ios version, well past its obsolescence date. The 2018 will prob still be running perfectly in 2030
apple keeps pushing the ipad in weird ways because they are just not wanting to compete with macbooks, so when a product its at its limits and you have conflict of interest you push in random ackward ways the product... they need to put macos in that thing to make it usefull for everyone not just for consuming content and poor "pro" experiences, like the import image from drive nonsense and shitty timecodes... the iPad "PRO" is not worth the money for the 90% of the people that buy it... it is only useful to drawing artists, light lightroom edits, and... not much more... it will be more usefull when they get blender in it xD... hopefully...
I watched the side-by-side LCD vs. OLED parts of the video (1:10) on my 2024 iPad Pro M4 11" and couldn't see any real difference. Wish this video was shot in HDR.
Ipad pro's should have a dedicated OS that is similar to their actual computers. If you don't need the power of a macbook pro but want better portability than the macbook air then you would pick the ipad pro. It would fill the performance gap between the air and pro models of the macbook, having the current gen of apple silicon like the macbook pro but a cut down version of it, while the macbook air's have the full fledged last gen silicon, and be priced accordingly
I got one and so far the only good thing about the M4 chip, over my old A12Z i had, is that it can run games better without running thought the battery like crazy, and using stage manager feels much better, considering this has the full capabilities when connected to an external display, while the old one had only mirroring
I’m probably thinking of getting an M1 iPad Pro 12.9 as my first personal iPad, but I don’t know if future Apple AI features will require 16GB RAM, because the next iPhones are definitely getting 12GB RAM for AI. It’s hard finding good deals on used 1TB models online. I just hope the iPad Air (or even iPad Mini) gets a MiniLED display soon (and maybe an M-series 16GB RAM processor for the Mini) because the Pro is just expensive, even used.
3:19 and 6:01 I think you really nailed it here. The M4 iPad Pro should not be in the same device category as the 7th gen iPad, and its software experience shouldn't be held back like this.
I have the 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 and have loved it in every way except how iPad os handles file transfers. I’ll get the 13inch air when it finally dies, no need for the extra power or gorgeous screen
There's a reason: They "improve" the device's hardware or OS and the media runs on this for weeks, like the last time when they allowed users to place the app icons on the screen the way they like or when the company implement any other funcion android users have been using for years. It's like free advertising for a company that is slowing down on inovations, it keeps the brand "alive" for the consumer that is looking for an excuse to buy a new device or to "upgrade" and so on. Believe or not, it's pure marketing.
Took an iPad to use as a photography computer for my trip this year. Extremely frustrating. Not a computer, but it would be nice if the software allowed it.
M4 on an ipad is like a ferrari engine on a prius
so you mean an engine that is insane, but a chassis and body that is assembled by teams of engineers who have gone over it and spent more than the GDP of a small country just to make sure the panels are solid and wont rust out? sounds fine to me!
@@ghomerhustmore like it’s held back because a Ferrari engine is held back by the very idea of what a Prius is designed to be, and that’s efficient
Accurate
So original
It’s a Ferrari that you can only drive in school zones.
8:32 "If you're wealthy"
Shows a clip of Linus. Nice
well he is valued at over $100,000,000.
@@Soccera0 LMG is.
@@Boilerhogbc Linus owns LMG.
@@laporchen7158 linus and his windows fans are probably also the reason the Mac Address thumbnails look so pessimistic. Like this one, it’s overwhelming positive but he has to make the pessimistic face like he smelled a fart to please the Mac hating Linus group.
@@Soccera0 That’s not how you determine what is someone valued at and even then it wouldn’t mean he’s actually that wealthy - he’d need to sell the company, which he didn’t. Even if he did, he’s not the sole owner, it wouldn’t be all his (never mind the taxes). The offer was to buy the company, meaning the company is worth less (because selling a company for the value of the company itself would be stupid unless it’s failing). And that offer is outdated. Revenue on RUclips was better back then and they’ve since made new investments.
I love how videos from this channel have the same production value of all LTT videos, but it has its own aura. The offscreen narration is awesomely sharp, the script is well written and entertaining without having to rely on questionable puns, and everything looks colorful and matte for some reason, and my eye balls love it. I just wish it had more content though. Thanks guys!
Totally agree. I also don't really follow the Apple ecosystem that closely, but this channel makes me interested in every product they review or every topic they cover.
Weird how some people put so much emphasis on production while I’m simply here for the content.
I’m in no way having a go at you Riccardo, your succinctly written breakdown was impeccable- and I wholeheartedly agree!
@@TheSocialProfileas one of those people who watches for the production value, I honestly couldn’t care less about what apple’s doing but these videos feel cozy and nice to watch
Same production value? Doing Jonathon a disservice here, they are the best videos from LMG.
This is much much better and much much cleaner than LTT videos. I don't own any apple products and yet this is top two tech channels for me
Oh lord, you're talking about me. I'm a 2018 iPad owner who has been recently thinking of upgrading to this M4 iPad. That's insane, right? I only use this thing to surf Amazon or watch RUclips when I'm travelling, which is one or two weeks out of the year. There's no justification for this, right? The 2018 iPad is sitting right next to me, sleeping. I woke it up earlier this week to update the OS, it still runs fine, no major decrease in battery life. If iPadOS 16 is going to be the last OS to support it... maybe next year.
i would maybe consider one of the newer gen ipad air if you need to upgrade asap
Basically same use case here! I got the m1 and it’s been great, and I’m sure will get support for at least a few more years
don't give apple ideas
My 2018 died a couple of weeks ago and the repair quote was more than it was worth. So now I have the M4 version. My advice is if you think your 2018 has another two years of life in it, then it is probably worth staying with it. The new one is a lot of nice minor improvements, but doesn’t fundamentally change anything.
My top three improvements would be the nano-texture display, the new camera position and the Smart Keyboard. This time the silver version is the way to go, looks much nicer than the black.
I'd expect the 2018 iPad Pro's to also get iPadOS 19.
M4 iPad Pro owner here I work in the music and theatre industry needing a highly mobile device for touring. Upgrading from a 2016 MacBook Pro, I've found the weight difference so much better, making it easy to carry in my backpack or Pelican case without a second thought.
However, there are a few drawbacks. Some apps don't support true full screen on an external monitor, and the file system is still completely homeless, though I mainly use SharePoint. I also wish wireless mouse connectivity was better, with an actual cursor.
On the positive side, I was pleasantly surprised by the seamless USB connection with my OfficeJet 250 printer. The new Magic Keyboard feels very premium, the OLED upgrade is outstanding, and the speakers are impressive. Built-in 5G has been a lifesaver in venues and hotels with trash networks. The ability to scan and sign documents with the Apple Pencil is also elite.
Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and look forward to seeing how it improves over time.
I have an M1 iPad Pro and every update makes me really want to just get a Macbook Air.
Except only if they can give a full range hinge and a touch screen, I'd be willing to bump the price up $200 for those features, or give up on some performance if needed. There are just so many apps my iPad cant do cause they dont exist on the store, but the form factor for the hardware is second to none since M silicon.
Its a shame the products just 9/10s when they are so close to being perfect. My recommendation is to skip the Pro line and go with a $300 iPad, its an insane value and I still have one from 7 years ago that is the same in every way, just not as good in every way.
Personally I just wait for a discounted air and then bought an M1 Macbook Air. Mainly cause I like rosegold and black, dark blue and grey are boring ass colors. I bought an Ipad like a year or two prior from best Buy and I think I got the pen from Woot. Still use it to this day. I have had the Ipad and while it is fine, I definitely perfer the second generation pen over the first. If you aren't using the pen then 100% agree with you.
In my years using tablet, I find that using RUclips from browser, gives me the best experience.
It plays on the background, it can use PiP, it can play while screen is locked.
I’ll have to try that because the RUclips app on iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS is absolute dog water.
Wait, didn’t RUclips patch the PiP and background play?
There’s a workaround on iPadOS and iOS. If you put the app in PiP mode, then scroll down from the top of the screen into the Notification Center, it will pause the video. Unpause, then lock your iPhone/iPad, then boom, background play
@@watercannonscollaboration2281 When I was using iPad, the trick was make the video full screen, then just swipe up to home screen. It will automatically make PiP
It also can’t correctly utilize a second screen. The app assumes that a 1440p monitor must be a physically smaller display so it keeps pushing low quality content and makes the interface ridiculously large. It also, for some reason, can’t get the aspect ratio of the second screen right so parts of the interface while playing a video in fullscreen are missing (as in, they’re beyond the borders of the screen). And it doesn’t work well with the pencil (many of the same issues as using a trackpad).
RUclips music app is also woefully bad as it’s literally handling the interface as though you were on a phone. The interface is ridiculously large, defaults to fullscreen mode in landscape mode which hides the playlist and controls and shows the artwork across the whole screen.
This is a general theme with Google and before you start tinking it’s an issue just on Apple devices, no it’s just as bad on Android devices. Google has always been the main offender when it came to Android tablets and foldable phones because they couldn’t be assed to make a decent interface. They completely ignore concepts such as user experience and instead push the minimum viable product.
I’m glad you addressed the fact that the M4 chip is partially designed to handle the upcoming AI needs on the iPad. You didn’t really think about how much more efficient the M4 is at power consumption and heat. The fact that the latest iPad Pro runs dual OLED and performs smoothly for GPU intensive games in such a thin shape is a feat of engineering that gets ignored.
The shelf life for this M4 will be at least 5 years so I look at it as a significant lifecycle refresh vs someone who had an AX series chip. Also yes most people will not look to edit video on this device, but rather basic tasks such as media consumption, email / messaging, and browsing with light note taking.
As a business traveler I love the lightweight of the 13” iPP. I love the new camera placement and the function row. I could’ve bought a MBA but I love taking notes and jotting down thoughts on a plane. I also like eReading. I hope that app developers like Google will embrace iPadOS and fix the bugs in their apps like YT and Google Docs. However I can get 95% of my work done on the device without all of the bulk.
I hope this 2024 iPad Pro is like a Foundation of the M4 Pro/M4 Max Macbook Pros, bringing the OLED and slightly thinner design without compromises on ports.
Btw, its an amazing iPad, but I think its too much for a limited Software, so thats why I got the M2 iPad Air instead and oh boy I love that thing so much. (I came from a 2020 8th gen base iPad)
I kinda hope the next MacBooks won’t be thinner overall.
But maybe a thinner display? I could get behind that.
I agree it’s more an accessory than anything standalone for productivity. However the M1 12.9” is 1/3 of the price of this new one, you can literally buy 3 and give 2, to family and you still have an incredible iPad. Because of the M1 chip it will be supported for many years to come, probably as long as the M4.
I really wanted to upgrade to this Ipad for this display alone but the compression from sidecar has killed that possibility for me. I just bought a viewsonic 15" portalble OLED monitor and it's GORGEOUS and only $499. Plugs in with one cable and allows me to dial in my noise removal and grain that I add to my videos and short films. Not nearly as bright as my Ipad but COMEON Apple! If I'm using a thunderbolt 4 cable to plug directly in there is NO REASON to be compressing my image like that!
They're compressing badly even wired? I was thinking of buying and using an iPad M4 Pro as a secondary display from a Macbook. 🤔 bad idea?
@@Steven-e7c I would not call it bad, for 95% of use you would never notice, but when it comes down to dialing in noise reduction levels and adding film grain simulation, any amount of compression is too much. I still use my M1 Ipad Pro as a second monitor with my M3 Ipad Air but I also use my 15" Viewsonic OLED as a clean feed program monitor, displaying my images with pixel accuracy. The Ipad handles my extra toolbars and such but I don't rely on it for critical accuracy. Having a portable three monitor "beast mode" macbook air setup is pretty rad and using the ipad kinda makes it possible. So I definitely recommend it but you defnintely don't need the latest Tandem OLED model for that.
Still rocking the 2018 iPad Pro 12.9" model (best "future proofed" computer ever owned). And yes, I will purchase this "over priced" iPad Pro this Christmas season to mate to my M3 Pro MacBook Pro model and 27" Studio Display setup. Because, for the most part, one can build a home ecosystem using Apple components because they last so long and still be productive over a long period of time.
I don't get it. You claim they "last so long", which I agree btw, but you are upgrading from a perfectly working device? Wait...2018 was almost years ago...damn, but my 2017 ipad pro still works...
@@johnlg91it's the duality of apple users. The products apparently last so long, yet upgrading is almost all they talk about.
It's almost kind of insane to me that longevity is preached so much when it's like apple laptops have practically only existed since 2021 (since they had 5 years of unreliable butterfly garbage)
@@johnlg91 I understand. Upgrading my 2018 iPad Pro is NOT a high priority but two factors make the upgrade to a M4 iPad Pro model is beneficial for me. The new thinner design provides a useful weight reduction and ergonomic benefit for stand-alone hand held browsing and pen work. (My current 2018 iPad Pro really wasn't that comfortable being used - just - as a browsing tablet. As a stationary deskbound "magic keyboard" assisted device that provides a secondary display screen to my home desktop system, this 2018 iPad is still useful and quite functional. Also, the 2018 version does NOT provide full stage manager capability when connected to my Studio Display monitor. Those are the primary reasons for an eventual upgrade. Having a fast M4 chip based design and dual OLED display is desired but not necessary for a reason to "rush on out" and upgrade. I can wait a bit but it would be nice to have my 2018 iPad model as a secondary iPad or backup. Besides, in just six months, this 2018 will be a seven year old model. Time to upgrade.
The Nano-Texture display was the killer feature for me. Held off at first due to not needing more than base level storage, but then my 2018 died and I figured, if I’m in, I’m all in. The thing most reviews don’t mention is that not only does it block most reflections, it also feels so much nicer as well.
Finally some sanity! I don't get all the YT hatred towards nano-texture. I absolutely love it on my Studio Display and I know I would enjoy it a lot on an iPad as well. If we could only get that option on the base models ... 😌
I mean, you kinda nailed it in the first section...this display is probably as good as displays that cost over 10,000. Think of it as a smart TV/monitor. I currently use m2 ipad Pro + MacBook Pro 16" and its basically perfect. I can have a multi monitor setup. I can take the ipad to watch things on the couch. I can plug my laptop into a tv, and then control it using the ipad. Its so flexible, and its the obvious intended use case, to be a supplemental device.
I think that everyone who is waiting for the ipad to replace a laptop is going to be waiting a long time...if you just use it as intended as a complement to your existing setup, it is basically perfect. That isn't to say you can't take some meetings on it, or edit some documents, its very useful, but its just not meant to replace a macbook pro. There might be some overlap with the macbook air, where if you are just checking emails, joining zoom calls, and editing documents, this might be enough.
I have found that naturally i gravitate to the iPhone for some tasks, the iPad for others, the Apple TV for others, and the MacBook Pro for others. Each has its own niche, and depending on the size of screen i want, the user interface, and the location, each one perfectly nails its niche.
100% agree with you, in theory. The problem is that Apple does not. The attachable keyboard and trackpad, “pro” level apps, stage manager, Apple marketing, all implying the iPad can replace your laptop. In reality, the iPad as an all-in-one device overpromises and under-delivers. That is why this argument exists and persists. Restricted to the clear use cases you identified, the iPad fits perfectly into its niche and does what it does well. But Apple is clearly trying to make the iPad capable of much more, and the result is a Frankenstein of sorts that does many laptop-like things but excels at none of them.
@@ryanw8664 I don't think they are at all trying to position it as a replacement to the macbook pro, they did do that marketing campaign "what is a computer?", but as I mentioned, if you were using a MacBook Air primarily, and you are mainly doing office stuff like emails, meetings, notes, document editing, and are not a power user, it can probably work perfectly fine. For someone who just interacts with notion, google docs, zoom, and gmail, it can be your primary computer pretty easily.
That being said, there are a few tasks where it can work extremely well, and arguably better than a laptop (drawing in procreate, etc).
I would say that many users WANT the iPad to be more than it is (as many people asked that it be able to run MacOS), but I think Apple has generally been pretty clear that it isn't meant to replace a MacBook Pro or a Mac Studio.
tldr: iPad Pro can be your office computer, it's never been meant to do everything or replace a laptop for power users, it does excel at certain tasks that rely on using apple pencil.
@@ryanw8664not to mention the price. I’m also neck deep in the ecosystem but I’ve never bought Apple’s fan argument about “using it the way Apple intends”. They packed way too much hardware into the iPad, for it to be “complementary hardware”. If it just has a “buffed” iPhone chip to be used as a large iPod, mini TV as before or the base iPad, fine. This thing has laptop level hardware, great touch screen, an attachable keyboard, cost 1.5k, yet get held back by software. Apple clearly knows it too since they gutted the base iPad, making it unable to be used with the latest Apple Pencil to segment the market.
I bought one as my first apple device. Primarily it is used to view and preliminarily edit photos I take out in the field. For studio shots I use it to control the camera - with the correct cable connecting them the lag is virtually non-existent and the huge screen is a boon for live view. Haven't tried it with any astrophotography yet.
My main gripe is pared down software meaning, 9 times out of 10, I still prefer to edit on my desktop when I'm back home. But the plus side is it should last plenty of time for things like Lightroom to get updated to a better state. As for photoshop it misses several handy filters but most can be manually recreated, like the high pass filter. That said, where it really shines is editing at a higher dynamic range (shooting at 14bit gives up to 4 extra stops).
My overall take is that if you've already got an ipad ignore it. Otherwise, and if the reasons Jonathan mentioned include you, go right ahead.
Hopefully it holds its value well.
Every single time I use my iPad I am infinitely frustrated at how annoying iPadOS is to *use*. It reminds me more of an expensive accessory to a Mac, than an iPad. The iPad Mini feels most like an "iPad" to me.
Perfect example is, browsers aren't "Browsers". You can't just install any extension you want and have them be universally compatible. It's infinitely frustrating, and issues like this happen in so many scenarios.
The hardware on this product is astounding and I truly love this iPad but the software is just so behind. Keeping my M1 iPad Pro + iPad Mini combo. This is a specialists tool, not an iPad (to me). I'm just not the market for it and that's okay. Display is mindblowing though.
Apple didn’t raise the base ram, they raised the price $200 and removed base model.
So in other words they raised the base ram (and storage i'll point out). Thank you!
@@AndrewPL5 You say tomato, I suppose… The net effect is the same, they always overcharged for the RAM upgrade and now they’ve taken away the less expensive option to force new buyers into the overcharge.
@@PrinceAlberts your tomato reference is weird. My point still stands, the base model wasn't removed, just upgraded. And of course more costly. I don't disagree that they just want to charge more, the lower spec version should have not disappeard. Now we're forced to spend more on an "upgrade" we didn't need.
@@AndrewPL5 I mean that Apple either took away the affordable option or they upgraded the base model and raised the price. Which one you believe depends on your point of view. Because the price bump matches the price you would’ve paid last year for the exact same specs, I see it as they took away the base model and replaced it with the costlier option.
You say they bumped the specs on the base model, I say they took away the affordable option so they can force you to pay the Apple tax. You say tomato, I say tomato.
@@PrinceAlberts welcome to capitalism. Look at every new product, the companies "increase specs" and charge more with no cheaper options. The apple blame game is boring when most companies do it yet only apple gets the heat. Samsung for example just did this with their new fold phones, the specs are increased and they charged more, instead of offering lower specs still for cheaper. Greed is ruining this world
I have to get this since Apple stopped updating the iPad Pro 2017 model. It still runs perfectly to this day-I'm typing on one right now. Barring battery issues with both my iPad and the pencil, it is absolutely perfect for day-to-day use. This is my note-taking device and my RUclips-watching device. I did have Apple's original folio keyboard, but it just randomly stopped working, and the lack of a trackpad made it less useful. Considering this device has lasted me almost six years, which is very rare, I believe this new model will be worth it for the long run.
0:40 That was smoooth
I have seen four major use cases for iPads in general:
Kids
College students for notes
Artists for drawing
Musicians for sheet music
None of these use cases require a keyboard, and most only the Pencil.
The keyboard is useful when you have to make a document using microsoft word/google docs or for emails. The keyboard would be very useful for this use cases
Ngl, iPads are good laptops replacement if you only need to write stuff, so for humanities students or just high school students they will probably suffice
Yep, used my iPad in college for note taking, and haven’t used it since except to try out using it as a second monitor when I got my Mac. I’m only ever using my phone or my laptop, never my iPad.
And only one of those might have the cash lying around for this Pro model.
speaking as one of those college students, the pencil is great for notes but I prefer the keyboard for writing a paper or something, and I'd rather not have to carry around two devices for that
I bought an iPad Air, and use it for flight school and as my primary laptop (though I do have a desktop at home). The flight planning softwares we use struggle to run smoothly on older iPads, and the iPad Mini screen is just too small, as we have a moving GPS map and I typically have it strapped to my thigh with a kneeboard. It's great with the pencil to also take notes quickly while we're listening to ATC instructions. It's also nice for planning, as with Stage Manager I can have notes, weather, routes, and airport information up all at once, and have another stage for weight and balance, fuel, and other mathy things.
Niche use case, but damn does it ever nail it
4:58 You can tap on the time remaining to change it to time past (at least you can on the photos app on an iPhone)
exactly. what a bunch of noobs LTT team is
I just need a terminal with root access. Then they don't need to change anything, I have wings. But there's no chance that's happening since it'll effectively circumvent the app store. I really want to use the ipad professionally but it's hard to use it as anything other than a couch computer (unless you have an app perfect for your work).
@@Lotus_on_YT at this point they should just allow you to dual boot.
and jailbreaking is basically dead...
Little bit of criticism: The graph at 2:23 has some wonk axes. If you aren't starting your lumens at 0, please make that more obvious. The actual variance in the luminosity was very small (only a couple percent) and this graph makes it look huge. Also why timestamp instead of just time since the start? This graph just looks really unfinished.
I actually disagree with you on this one. Your argument would make sense if the graph was meant to compare the variance in luminosity. But the graph was just used a visual to aid the statement "After half an hour this display was still blasting full white screen at 1000 nits". The scale doesn't matter.
I want to get one, but I still have my 2018 and it works perfectly. I would if the external display would work properly, but having tried out in order to convince myself to upgrade, it doesn't. I guess I'll stick with mine until updates stop or it dies
My iPad is an amazing Macbook replacement for when I'm on the go. But can't use it at home for daily work. I can edit on it, but it's easier on my MacBook, but then color grading is better on iPad, though, because of the wider color gamut and contrast (better REC2020). I can't code on my iPad. Terminal emulators and ssh are *fine* but better running local. I've tried. I just want on MacOS on the iPad.
Hopefully apple will bring in a device like the first gen Microsoft surface notebook..
We all do 🥲
Apple will never put macos on ipad, because they make fun Microsoft surface in the past for being a "weird 2-in-1 pc without an identity". Also, why would you sell one product that can do everything, when you can sell two things for double the profit.
@@keithframe3489no the iPad is the one with an identity crisis. It doesn’t know if it wants to be a hardcore device or a RUclips machine. And yeah, praise them for milking more money out of us. Surface pro 11 has an identity, being a laptop with a tablet form factor, and now with excellent battery life, it’s a great tool for artists, and is a much better deal. Apple could make the perfect device but won’t even though a specced out iPad Pro cost more than an iPad Air and MacBook Air combined without the magic keyboard and pen.
@@keithframe3489surface is great,the iPad is the one without an identity, it doesn’t know if it wants to be a pro device or a RUclips machine
I think Apple should make an iPadProOS where it takes all the features you’re missing from macOS and brings them to iPadOS and still keeps the core iPadOS experience.
The other problem is app developers don’t make full fledged apps for iPadOS even though for most apps iPadOS is good enough to run a fully fledged app
@@donyoung333And that problem will be solved when Apple allows you to run MacOS apps on this branch of iPadOS, which will probably be kneecapped because of that sweet sweet App Store revenue.
or they should add touchscreen functionality to macOS and slap that on here…
500$ !
They won't do it because it discourages you from buying a macbook.
By not making the iPad OS close to macOS they make you buy both the products.
I bought the dbrand iPhone leather skin and the adhesive sucks. It constantly peels up when I take it in and out of my pocket. Dbrand has been curiously silent on making it right.
I have a 2018 iPad Pro. I used it throughout college for notetaking, word processing and other college stuff. But now that it’s going on seven years it has started to show its age. Battery doesn’t last as long, the display doesn’t get as bright as it used to and my logictech keyboard is starting to go as well. I still use my iPad daily despite not having Netflix or RUclips or anything like that. Best Buy currently has the 13 inch model for $100 off so I think I might pull the trigger. My iPad doesn’t get replaced like my phone so I think knowing that it has the latest processor gives me peace of mind I won’t have to upgrade it for another seven years.
For digital art I would just get the 13" Air with the new Pencil Pro. The only thing the iPad Pro adds that maybe could be a bonus in that use-case is the nano-textured glass but you have to upgrade to like 1TB-way way way overkill for digital art-to unlock it, and I'm hearing that it's not quite what you'd find on a Cintiq for added friction.
For my use my 11” M4 Pro with Magic Keyboard has been an ideal replacement for a MacBook. It does pretty much everything I used to do on my MacBook with the extra ability of being able to draw on it and chill on the couch reading a book in portrait mode.
What it does make me want though is a Mac mini. I haven’t owned or wanted a desktop computer in a very long time but now I can see how a mini and a iPad would make good book ends to each other.
It just bothers me that, if you want a display with a higher refresh rate, you *have* to get the Pro iPad. Which now START at 1200 euros, or 1800 Canadian. Even the Air costs 699, or roughly 1000 Canadian. It's just a lot of money for a device I mainly use for browsing and content consumption while travelling.
Now, I've been thinking about getting a refurbished Pro from 2018, as that does come with the 120Hz display, USB-C and the modern design. But even those will run me about 500 euros. It's annoying. My current iPad is now out of the update cycle so I need to get a new one soon.
The problem with paying so much for an iPad and then using it for a long time is battery life. It is just not there after 3-5 years and it’s so hard to replace the battery on iPads compared to even iPhones
The trackpad issue on the Magic Keyboard is a huge issue. In fact, I find myself walking away and grabbing the MacBook Pro at least 3 times a day. We don’t really need an iPad Pro that isn’t pro. I looked up my trade value for the iPad Mini…I get money back. So, I’ll wait a month or two to figure out when the new mini update will be coming….but Im done with PRO PRICING and regular iPad performance.
Watching this on my 4-year-old Surface Go 2, happy that this little thing at least has a full-fledged desktop os.
I used to use my 6th gen iPad as my main computer for high school, and it worked great for me then, but since I graduated and moved on to university it has been almost completely replaced by my MacBook Pro. I'm a CS major so I need to do a lot of programming which isn't really feasible on an iPad because of iPadOS. It's still fantastic for taking notes, and I use it along with a bluetooth page turner for when I'm performing music, but aside from those two use cases there isn't really anything else that it's good for anymore. I'm considering upgrading it since it won't be getting iPadOS 18, and the Math notes feature seems like it'll be SUPER useful when it's ready, but that's really the only thing driving me to upgrade so if I do, it'll probably just be to the base model iPad.
Babe, wake up. New Mac Address just dropped.
I see this comment everywhere...
Wait - you guys have girlfriends?
@@Dalamain Of course! Girls love stylish Apple over nerdy crashing Windows. 😉
Picked up a Samsung galaxy tab S9 ultra a few months back, and I would recommend it over this if using a mouse that operates like you would expect is important to you.
I don’t understand why Apple still won’t smooth out mouse operation when the magic keyboard would be perfect if they did. They’re just handing Samsung a free W because of that.
Yes I upgraded from 2018 iPad 11” and love the new 13” I traded in and got the student discount plus 100 dollar gift card was well worth the upgrade. I am a student which uses the iPad as a notebook and it feels awesome. I did not go for the iPad Air 13” due to the refresh rate which I did not want to lose. However this iPad will last me beyond graduate school which is going to be great!
I think the battery life needs to be massively extended. It’s painful having to cable-charge such a large device every few days.
Agree. This obsession with ultra thin at the expense of battery is silly. Also don’t get me started with those breathless RUclipsrs infatuation with making bezels so small that the device is harder to hold.
Absolutely Love my M4 iPad the screen is amazing andc if plays death stranding at full resolution and other games while staying cool and never dimming the screen. I really hope that the M3 MacBook Pro’s get this tandem OLED screen but I’ve heard it will only come on the M5. Won’t be buying a new MacBook until it has this screen.
OMG NEW MAC ADDRESS VIDEO FINALLY I LOVE YOU JONATHAN APPLE
I bought an iPad Pro 13-inch M4 along with the new Magic Keyboard. I’m noticing an issue with the Trackpad, and I’m not sure if it’s a software or hardware problem. The issue is that sometimes the swipe to the right and left doesn’t work on the home screen, and sometimes it works to the right but not to the left. Also, the right-click doesn’t bring up the menu that usually appears with a right-click. This problem also occurs with the Magic Mouse specifically with this device, but the Magic Mouse works perfectly with other devices!
Additionally, I’m unable to left-click and drag using the Magic Keyboard Trackpad.
Note:
If I detach the iPad from the keyboard and then reattach it, the problem disappears but comes back when I turn off the screen. Sometimes I turn on the screen, and there’s no issue! There’s no consistent pattern!
I’ve found many people online who have the same problem, but not a single RUclipsr has talked about it??
Is this a software or hardware problem?
Also swiping right or left inside the apps like Photo app does not work unless I swipe once with my finger on the screen, it starts working after doing this !!
Funny thing is, I have been using the iPad because I'm a digital artist, and the display for the iPad pro 11 inch was so much better than what I could get on comparably priced Macbooks/windows laptops. It was 850 dollars for me to get for the base model, and I can do whatever I wanted on my old laptop on it, and it lasts forever in comparison.
Still rocking my 2013 ipad air as a more or less pure youtube/podcasts machine. Almost nothing else is working anymore and the 16gb are hindering as well. But it does well for what it needs to do.
I decided to keep my 12.9 2018 iPad Pro for another maybe 3 years or more. And I am trying to get a Vision Pro for a much amazing experience. Especially when I found the price gap of a fully loaded (gear wise) 13 inch iPad Pro (512gb+pencil pro+Smart Keyboard+AppleCare) between a base Vision Pro is far lesser than I think.
My future plan will be enjoy the Vision Pro and keep using my lovely 2018 iPad Pro till it break or dated. Then I will try to find a used M2 iPad Pro since I already owned that "overpriced" Magic Keyboard.
I want an iPad that works like an iPad when it's not hooked to the keyboard and like OSX when it is.
I'm not sure that's what people are looking for, but that's me. No bloody circle where a mouse cursor should be. I would also disable the touch screen whenever a keyboard is installed.
I have just never understood touch screens on laptops and I have never understood keyboards on iPads. They are two fundamentally different things that I use for completely different purposes. They can be merged into one device, but they must let me switch between the two modes depending on what peripherals I have plugged in.
Yeah, that's what I've been saying and what I can see Apple replacing all of the Macs with if they get a good enough data and power connector for the keyboard Pro etc.
The iPad Pro has been limited by its OS from the beginning. Apple just keeps throwing hardware at it to keep the “Pro” distinction going. I had a 2018 iPad Pro and upgraded to the M2 version. Yes, I could have just kept the 2018 version considering what I use the iPad for, but I wanted one with an M processor. That said, as nice as the M4 version is, I’ll be hanging on the M2 version until Apple stops supporting it, which I suspect won’t be for a long time.
Sales Rep and I run a pretty healthy business with a lot of moving parts. My M4 11 is my out the door. Just things you can do with the iPad you can’t with the Mac, like jotting a note. Great in tight spaces. I’ve made friends with the OS, not perfect, but not painful either. Love the form factor and the responsiveness of the keyboard and track pad. Pencil is a nice upgrade as well. Love writing with the fountain pen setting. Cheers.
As someone that upgraded from a M1 to M4 iPad Pro, I will say that i do notice the performance bump.
From just the browsing on chrome to apps like Excel, PowerPoint etc.
Is the extra power necessary, absolutely not. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that the iPad can’t make use of it.
Okay tbh, I’m just looking for a way to justify my ridiculous upgrade. haha
Thank you for giving examples of how iPadOS is limited compared to macOS, there are so MANY simple things that make it feel less of a computer that you feel sooo limited while using it. Installing fonts, dealing with multitasking, drag and drop not always working, an app can’t have menu windows, exporting to different formats, ‘and all of those you mentioned.
This was the review I wanted, you gave CLEAR examples of how it feels to use iPadOS, thank you!
I want to love it... but my M2 12.9" Pro does everything I want it to do. I bought an iPad mini, which I use way more when I'm out, it's great for content creating when I'm in the bush on the bike, the 12.9" is just too big for that, so it stays at home pretty much all the time.
I don't know what Apple could do to convince me to upgrade, but I won't for a while. I'll just wait to see if the next MacBook gets the tandem OLED, then trade in my M1 MBP, thank you very much.
Not the new one, but I got a refurbished m1 iPad Pro 12.9” a few months ago, and that with a Magic Keyboard are all I need. I use it mainly for content consumption, web browsing, and the occasional google doc (spreadsheet or word document). I also use it to offload photos from my iPhone for storage or editing.
If you're upgrading from the 2018 iPad Pro in 2024 and you own the pencil/keyboard, the choice is really very-simple: $399 M1 IPad Air from Walmart, $599 M2 iPad Pro from Best Buy, or the $1500 M4 iPad Pro with new keyboard and pencil. I went with the M2 iPad Pro because I could keep my old accessories and I get 99% of the same experience as the new one.
Google apps on iPad are HORRENDOUS we need fixes 😭
And the single audio source problem is absolutely game ending for me
I don’t understand people getting the Magic Keyboard for iPad and then try to only use the trackpad as it was a Mac.
I use a mouse and keyboard on a regular old ipad and integrating it with touch i honestly find it far more comfortable than my MacBook Air M2, i just do things quicky and i find it much rasure to multitask and focus
I work in IT, I’m in DevOps, I do network systems and security engineering. I can do my entire job on my 2018 iPad Pro EXCEPT I can’t serial console into a device which is a pain. But I can use a jump server via rdp and run PuTTY…however I need to tether to my phone or connect to WiFi, which isn’t always viable when I’m setting up a network from zero and subsequently…there’s no WiFi, or I’m in a place with no cellular data service, which is common in datacenters.
I just want to know who among us customers wants things thinner and thinner? Never in my life have I heard someone say "I wish this was thinner". They should make it THICKER so we can have a better battery and a sturdier construction (and a flippin head phone jack!). Thats actually what we want as far as I can tell.
I feel like the iPad is the biggest commercial testing ground for apple. They can test chips, displays and even software ideas.
It feels like the late 80s and early 90s Nintendo days and their RnD and Gameboy department.
It's easily the best display in my homestead, with my LG C3 being close second. For the price, the base Tab S9 is nice too, now that it has a an OLED just like it's bigger brothers; and it's a lot more portable than this gargantuan iPad. Still don't regret it though, and I use it quite a bit, daily.
The only non oled display in my home is on my Macbook, which funny enough, cost the most of any device I own, by *far*.
We need to remember this is an iPad and the pro marketing is towards iPad users. So for iPad users this can do so much more. And back in 2016 Phil Schiller said these iPad Pros are for those who use 10 yr old windows pcs for that dusty old spreadsheet. It’s a nice iPad but not a desktop OS. The software is still a baby compared to OS X.
I recently switched to a Samsung tab ultra from an iPad air. It has been a breath of fresh air in terms of feature availability and utility.
I was convinced that iPad was the only sensible high end tablet choice, now I don't. I understand that this is a mac channel, but I feel like if customers became more aware of the viable competition it could be a good thing for everyone.
Feature availability? Can you open two Word documents side by side? No, not even in Dex. In such a specific use case, iPad is indeed the only sensible tablet choice, because anything running Android will close the first document before opening another one, iPad can have multiple docs opened at the same time.
I don't believe that. What "feature availability and utility" does it offer that the iPad doesn't? I can't think of a single thing. I'm not saying it's not a viable alternative, but I'm not sure what you can do with it that you can't do with the iPad.
@@chrys9256the problem then becomes, what can't you do on these tablets compared to a Microsoft Surface with full-fat Windows? as much as Apple and Samsung try to push their tablets as ultra-versatile computing solutions, their mobile-OS roots limit them to an unacceptable level. Apple has the capability to do such a thing and blow Microsoft offerings out of the water to become the de-facto solution, but the desparity remains generations later.
@@chrys9256 Gaming on emulators, eg. there aren't any working PS2 emulators on iOS and there is on Android.
@@macmick Well, yeah you can. It seems that the Word app does not allow this, but Microsoft 365 app can be opened in multiple instances. So it seems like it is an app not OS problem. (Also there are more involved hacks available to achieve this functionality if you want the word app.)
This whole video reminds me of the time before the original iPad keynote where pretty much ALL the leaks suggested iPad will have OSX.
With it having Thunderbolt and the same CPU as a MacBook there is no longer no reason why Apple shouldn’t let OSX run on it.
great review, thanks! I'm about to buy one, but I'm a little worried about the PWM. How are your eyes? Do you get tired or dry eyes after using it? Many people complain about screen discomfort, headaches etc
Actually just got one thru work, first iPad I've really used in a long time. We got them due to travel and the ability to mark up(red line) drawings of we are on the floor.
I think this just makes me think it isn't the consumers who really make apple the big bucks but enterprise.
I love how this channel takes its time with producing reviews. It gives them the kind of perspective that only comes with prolonged experience. To the people who will surely argue “Stop trying to make the iPad a laptop,” I humbly suggest they say the same to Apple. The attachable keyboard and trackpad, "pro" level apps, stage manager, Apple marketing, all implying the iPad can replace your laptop. In reality, the iPad as an all-in-one device overpromises and under-delivers.
That is why this argument exists and persists. When used for more classical tablet activities, the iPad fits perfectly into its niche as a supplemental device and does what it does well. But Apple is clearly trying to make the iPad capable of much more, and the result is a Frankenstein of sorts that does many laptop-like things but excels at none of them. iPadOS should either go back to the basics or needs a complete overhaul, but Apple needs to figure out what it truly wants the iPad to be first.
Seriously, the iPad Pro continues to make no sense. Why have a magic keyboard if it is useless half the time? Why have so much power but not be able to use it?
The rendered shadow of the Pencil is a fantastic idea. Reminds me of the ingenuity of the Dynamic Island notification thing.
The hardware is amazing, but the OS is so limiting that it doesn't matter. To me, the iPad with apple pencil is what you get instead of a Wacom. I'll use my m1 iPad air until it dies while hoping and dreaming that procreate comes out on android, so I don't need to ever buy another iPad.
If you tweak the accessibility settings you can get a regular mouse to work just fine with IPad Os. I have a usb C dock and plug it into a monitor, keyboard, and mouse on my desk no problem. Only issue I’m not sure about because I don’t use it is how it does/doesn’t work with network drives. Our company uses windows computers for that.
I bought a M1 iPad Pro soon after release, knowing it would likely last many years, M1 is such a good foundation, and the OS is so.. limiting. My view hasn't changed since then. The OS holds it back bigtime, and until that changes in a fundamental way, the M1 should be great for the sort of supplemental use, that it seems designed for.
The M4 iPad Pro is all about the screen. If you have an existing m series iPad and think my screen is amazing and I need nothing more move along.
If you are a screen person, welp apple heard your cry and here you go the best screen you can get regardless of form factor at this price.
So this leaves me with a buy it if that matters, and if it does not welp rock on that current iPad till it meets and unfortunate demise.
I bought the 11in base model trading my used ipad mini 6 and bought an open box for $680. Well worth it, i cant stress enough, the thinness makes such a difference in holding it and moving around. But all i do with it is just web browse and watch videos. If you're reasonable, this is overkill. But hey, it is the best one ever until next year. You cant go wrong with it if you have the money for it.
I love it. I switched from android a few months back to iPhone SE3 (wanted to start slow just in case). Its a better experience by a lot. So, after getting the iphone I thought "why the hell not?" and got the m4 on launch. Every tablet Ive had in the past was android and they all sucked. I do think the air probably is the better choice for most people, but I don't have buyers remorse or anything. Retroarch with CRT shaders on this is fucking insane. Steamlink plays fine and looks great on this. Oddly enough my biggest complaint is ... FACE ID. For something that is going to be used most of the time as a notebook placed flat on a table, you'd think they would of realized how much of a pain in the ass it is to unlock via face ID. Some type of touch id or something would of been better.
I do a lot of art and music stuff and so far its been great. I dont really use it for BS stuff (twitter, youtube, tiktok, etc) but I think I might get even more mileage adding those time waste apps on here.
5:00 you can switch between timecode and time remaining by tapping on it
Still staying on my iPad Pro 2018 and even that is debatable. I mostly use it for taking notes or university stuff, but that’s also my biggest complaint about it. I can ONLY use it in these scenarios. I can’t just treat it like a Mac and write LaTeX on it for my thesis. But I also can’t just take my Macbook with me, because I can’t use the Apple pencil on it and it’s more bothersome to type stuff out than to quickly annotate something… That really frustrates me
Honestly, if someone ever makes a virtual machine app on iPad or be able to boot MacOS in an iPad (or even Asahi-Fedora), that person will be loved by thousands of people but be sued to oblivion by Apple. I tried my friend's new iPad Pro and it was immaculate. But I don't see the need to gravitate towards it since the apps I mainly use on my Mac aren't there or are extremely bad like DaVinci Resolve. It's literally so close to perfection, all it needs is that one push.
I couldn’t do it. I got the M2 iPad Air instead. The M4 seemed too much and the OLED and Pencil features weren’t enough to make the price worth it.
I upgraded from that venerable 2017 iPad Pro which, to the new Air, seems little more than a lateral move. But it has an M2 and will supported well into the future.
I don’t believe iPadOS and macOS should merge, but something needs to be done with the iPad’s usability. Last year, bought a grad an iPad Pro for college. His choice: he knew how to use an iPhone, never used a Mac before. He still had to use his friend’s laptop for assignments, needed up getting a used MacBook as well.
As an avid photographer I adore editing on the M4 13 inch iPad, especially with the Apple Pencil. The precision, colour depth is just insane.
ipad is trying to be laptop and tablet at the same time yet also fails at being good at both of them at the same time
Great to see you back man. As a fellow Canadian in Northern Alberta who bikes over 1000km each summer hopping curbs and going off the beaten path, it's not fun worrying about infections and living life in pan.
Live and learn. I haven't yet.
2018 pro woo. honestly tho, there is zero reason to upgrade any time soon, i managed to keep running a mini2 until 2021, when apps stopped supporting the ios version, well past its obsolescence date. The 2018 will prob still be running perfectly in 2030
apple keeps pushing the ipad in weird ways because they are just not wanting to compete with macbooks, so when a product its at its limits and you have conflict of interest you push in random ackward ways the product... they need to put macos in that thing to make it usefull for everyone not just for consuming content and poor "pro" experiences, like the import image from drive nonsense and shitty timecodes... the iPad "PRO" is not worth the money for the 90% of the people that buy it... it is only useful to drawing artists, light lightroom edits, and... not much more... it will be more usefull when they get blender in it xD... hopefully...
why sell one device that does everything if you can use softare to sell multiple devices that do the same thing when used together
6:05
This is not why the iPad sucks as a laptop replacement,
It's why the iPad sucks.
Not really, as not everybody is looking to play 2 videos at once.
I watched the side-by-side LCD vs. OLED parts of the video (1:10) on my 2024 iPad Pro M4 11" and couldn't see any real difference. Wish this video was shot in HDR.
For the multiple audio at once thing. You get around that by playing pip instead of side by side.
Ipad pro's should have a dedicated OS that is similar to their actual computers. If you don't need the power of a macbook pro but want better portability than the macbook air then you would pick the ipad pro. It would fill the performance gap between the air and pro models of the macbook, having the current gen of apple silicon like the macbook pro but a cut down version of it, while the macbook air's have the full fledged last gen silicon, and be priced accordingly
5:46 ironically all of this works on the android versions of youtube and docs. Apples mouse pointer is an acessibility feature at its core.
M4 still doesn't have AV1 encoding support, something available from Nvidia, Intel, AMD and Qualcomm
I got one and so far the only good thing about the M4 chip, over my old A12Z i had, is that it can run games better without running thought the battery like crazy, and using stage manager feels much better, considering this has the full capabilities when connected to an external display, while the old one had only mirroring
I’m probably thinking of getting an M1 iPad Pro 12.9 as my first personal iPad, but I don’t know if future Apple AI features will require 16GB RAM, because the next iPhones are definitely getting 12GB RAM for AI. It’s hard finding good deals on used 1TB models online.
I just hope the iPad Air (or even iPad Mini) gets a MiniLED display soon (and maybe an M-series 16GB RAM processor for the Mini) because the Pro is just expensive, even used.
3:19 and 6:01 I think you really nailed it here. The M4 iPad Pro should not be in the same device category as the 7th gen iPad, and its software experience shouldn't be held back like this.
I have the 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 and have loved it in every way except how iPad os handles file transfers. I’ll get the 13inch air when it finally dies, no need for the extra power or gorgeous screen
True! What others don’t really tell - IPad ignores the keyboard sometimes. Same with Pro M2
I'm still rocking my 8th gen iPad (non-pro). Similar to the 7th gen you showed, I have no immediate plans to upgrade a secondary web surfing device.
Don’t forget that ssd performance is better on the 1tb/2tb compared to the 256gb/512gb
The only people that should care are redditor-tier trolls.
Apple are experts at handicapping their devices for no reason
No, not for no reason. To populate their walled garden with multiple variety of apple products
There's a reason: They "improve" the device's hardware or OS and the media runs on this for weeks, like the last time when they allowed users to place the app icons on the screen the way they like or when the company implement any other funcion android users have been using for years. It's like free advertising for a company that is slowing down on inovations, it keeps the brand "alive" for the consumer that is looking for an excuse to buy a new device or to "upgrade" and so on. Believe or not, it's pure marketing.
Dude, they’re handicap in it because I don’t want to eat into their MacBook sales. Everyone knows that.
I bought the iPad for the form factor. Works really well with Mac Studio and ditch the Macbook completely.
Took an iPad to use as a photography computer for my trip this year. Extremely frustrating. Not a computer, but it would be nice if the software allowed it.