40k Explained! Space Travel in The Imperium of Man
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Traversing the great big cold void of space is dangerous enough as it is, but NOT dangerous enough for 40k!
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How to warp
Imperium. We use the astronomicon and the warp
Eldar. The web way
Tau. Gravity shots
Nids. Black holes
Orks. We stare at the universe really hard until it gets uncomfortable and let's us in
Ere we go, ere we go, ere we go
Chaos, the gods show us the way
Necrons, our ships can go really really fast
Remind me of that cat with fucked up face
@@Marinealver *ships can go really really fast and our bodies don't care about the acceleration
Actually The Astronomicon and warp jump are about to be phased out in favor of Reverse-engineered webway as early as great crusade due to current imperium ftl tech stunts human's evolution into fully-psychic species, too bad, Navigator's greed comes to play on making emperor don't tell even primarchs his work on reverse-engineering webway, this leads to crimson king wrecks imperial webway beyond repair out of his curiosity
And Necrons can do FTL without warp due to physics of 4th-dimension(cuz 4th spatial dimension are still part of materium instead of immaterium) cuz anything with mass move faster than light without getting infinite mass are only as impossible as move up and down in flatland
Scifi Fan: So, how do your spaceships get places?
Star Trek fan: Matter and antimatter are mutually annihilated in a fusion reaction that warps space-time sufficiently to drive the ship faster than light.
Star Wars fan: Hyperdrives use hypermatter particles to hurl a ship into hyperspace, allowing it to take advantage of wrinkles in the fabric of realspace to reduce journey times significantly.
Warhammer 40,000 fan: They go through hell.
Eirik Moen Jønsson a bit worse than hell
@@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 You need to pitch it to non-fans somehow.
Battletech: They go whoosh.
Second Warhammer 40,000 fan in homer voice: "...with sexy results!"
@@VioletDeathRei *3rd warhammer fan noticing the 2nd*
That sounds like heresy to me!
Explanation from the lore:
Humans: trying to sneak through a dark room crammed with angry and violent monsters.
Orks: Running screaming through said dark room, bumping into said monsters and starting a brawl as a bonus.
Ahhh tuska the happiest ork in the universe
@@donwebber9071 that's the name of the lucky bastard aye!
@@colmcorbec7031 I swear games worshop needs to make a tuska unit with a command card for only when he fights demon princes. I call it grab it where it hurts. If a demon prince knocks tuska to 0 roll 1 d6. On a 5 or 6 tuska inflicts insult to injury for 1d6 of damage to the demon.
Trans-dimensional WAAAAAAAAGH!!!
*DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA*
I love how this is an "explanation from the lore", like is that a joke? Or did you honestly not know its actually just a verbatim statement from the Tuska Daemunkilla video made by ARCH Warhammer himself hahaha
**Literal hellscape of all imaginable and many unimaginable terrors exists**
*Humans:* "Heyyyy, let's use this for space travel!"
**Event Horizon happens**
*Humans:* "Well... That was messed up. Anyway, _let's keep using this for space travel. Yeap."_
Like I always say: Humans are controlled by the most advanced biological computers that have yet to be fully understood, let alone replicated. So naturally the first thing they do is stick the biochemical equivalent of a wet fork into it to watch the pretty sparklies.
Its fine. Traveling through literal hell builds character.
@@EzioDeCreeper *Sarge voice* "Toughen up Grif! We aint got time for your mutating, we got Blues to deal with!" *shotgun cocking sound*
Event Horizon takes place in the 40k universe. Prove me wrong.
The Immaterium. It's not the best way of travelling faster than light. It is just the only way. - Lord Captain Dylan Hunt of the Andromeda's Atonement.
I have often told people, "to understand warp travel, take hyperspace from star wars, marry that concept to the force, and have it consumed by the dark side. Now understand that, that is still a nicer trip by far that going through the Warp. Welcome to 40k."
Just advice them to watch event horizon. It is pretty much the same...
@@theculturedjinni in the warp, everyone can hear you scream..
Great analogy
“Erm... Sir.”
“I’ve located the Astronomican, but...”
“What is it? Is it’s signature faint?”
“No, it’s...”
“It’s flipping me the bird...”
"If the omnisiah decrees... I'll go retrieve the powerdildos."
@@crativ3 "These are truely dark times..."
Damn are you riding with the lamenters
“IT IS A SIGN FROM TERRA! EVERYONE MUST GO FUCK THEMSELVES!“
@@kingskelett6265
Is that not the Imperium 24/7?
14:34
Arch: "...to its vicious sharp teeth and claws".
Me in my head: " You forgot about tentacles Arch, never forget about tentacles."
I thought that the tentacles were implied.
I mean, how else are they going to reach you with those teeth and claws if they aren't sprouting out from an anamorphic tentacle.
@@shawnm1902 **Tzeentch slaps Marine's Helmet** "Simple, I make you the teeth and claws." **Painful mutation sounds**
Or the vaginas with teeth.
I can never forget the tentacles they're always there... even when I close my eyes (Thousand yard stare.)
@@CommisarHood Thousand Sons stare
Sure, the gellar fields flickering can be terrifying, but could you imagine if that happened on something like a grey knights ship as it travels? Just some lone bloodthirster gets on board and starts stalking the halls thinking "Swiggity swooty, I'm coming for that booty", it turns a corner and just runs into a knight in full gear cocking a shotgun as e1m1 starts playing.
Skarbrand is the only Bloodthirster crazy enough to storm a Grey Knights ship.
The daemon wouldn't even get around a corner, the grey knight would just warp behind it.
Honestly, if it even saw the grey knight coming, it should immediately be like "I'll just leave, sorry bothering you guys." And immediately duck back into the warp, and just hope they don't find it whenever it visits the materium next time.
Though I do love the image of a bloodthirster looking like a Tom and Jerry character when they're afraid upon seeing a grey knight.
To the uninitiated, go watch *Event Horizon,* starring Laurence Fishburne.
It's not 40K movie, but it's a gateway to understand why (unprotected / unshielded / without _Geller_ field) warp travel is *EXTREMELY, ABSOLUTELY, UNDOUBTEDLY and GETTING-GANG-RAPED-BY-DAEMONS-TICALLY* dangerous and unhealthy.
To the initiated, we can all agree that all of these things are caused by *Magnus'* fault.
Thank you, Magnus, you red, big piece of TUR-KEY!
They did get away with unshielded warp travel pretty easy tbqh.
@@nopens Who? The crew of the _Event Horizon,_ or the _Lewis and Clark?_
Because, as far as I know, all the crewmembers of the _Event Horizon_ got royally butt-fucked by the hellish spirits.
Heck, even the ship got possessed/ Daemon-bound by the infernal spirits.
@@pyerack Yeah, but the cyclops shattered the webway, which would eliminate the Imperium needs for warp travel.
So yeah, I seconded the vote for throwing dung at Magnus!
The jerk can't even do things right.
@@nickypenn5841 Everyone. Compared to 40k
Unless your a ork ship. The daemons tend to avoid the batshit greenskins once they find out who they boarded
Luke: _"What is the Force?"_
Kenobi: *"It's an energy field created by all living things..."*
Inquisitor: *_"So...you're an errant psyker?"_*
Kenobi: *"Who are you, and what are you doing in my home?"*
**BLAM!** **BLAM!**
Star Trek Captain: We represent the Federation.
Space marine: What is that ?
Star Trek Captain: It's a government that champions cooperation between different species in drive to peacefully coexist.
Space marine: You don't say, just wait here I'll be right back.
Jake Frost We all know that Kenobi can beat an inquisitor, unlike their pitiful exterminatus, he has the all powerful high ground,
Remember to shoot like to he is now privy to information he should not know
Isn't Kenobi an Inquisitor in 40k?
Inquisitor: Exterminatus!
Emperor Palpatine: I'll convert from the Sith to faith in the God Emperor of mankind (so long as he remains a silent inanimate corpse).
*thinks back to my Dark Heresy Game. Realizes that my assassin strapped bombs onto my target's warp drive and Geller field generator. Questions my morality*
Assasins dont have morals.
They have standards.
I will complement you on your efficiency
custodes planted vortex implosion detonators onto ork ships to drag em into the warp when they were likely to threaten terra
@@Aristaios They're Orks. That's like teleporting a full school bus to Disneyland.
Assassin's response "it got done didn't it?"
The Warp is like an ocean. An ocean that if you look at it you go insane. An ocean where every human is always bleeding and the water is full of sharks. Sharks that can fly and are self aware.
This is sounding less and less like an ocean and more like a hellscape the more you think about it.
Star Wars space travel: We have designated pathways that we pop into to travel quickly! We just need to be out of a major gravity field.
Star Trek space travel: We use gravity to propel our ship through space by forcing the space in front of us, behind us!
Warhammer 40k: We rip open a hole in reality and travel through literal hell on a parallel reality where Daemons exist.
So... what version of Space Travel should we invest in?
"Warhammer 40k: We rip open a hole in reality and travel through literal hell on a parallel reality where Daemons exist."
Event Horizon: We also rip open a hole in reality and travel through literal hell realm of Chaos on a parallel reality where Demons exist and we do it without Gellar fields !. Belive me you do not need eyes where we are going!
Seems even more legit to me :)
That film must have been set when humanity was just learning about the warp.
The one the changes the time to travel instead of the distance traveled through a set amount of time.
Star Trek is actually possible, at least NASA thinks it's theoretically possible.
Zack Flowers Definitely the Daemon one
The movie Event Horizon was the first 40k movie.
Change my mind.
There is no God Emperor of Mankind
@@Marinealver he hadn't revealed himself yet :)
It is not a 40k movie, it is, at best, a 2k to 3k movie, as it is set in M3 and not in M41. :P
@@Schnittertm1 film takes place in 2047....
So 2k ....
@@mardethkellerman1182 at the speed we are going I don't see us doing that in 28 years
Star Trek: we use a theoretical scientific drive that allows us to shorten the distance between to points to go FTL
Star Wars: We use a device that makes us go really fast
Halo: we create a portal to Slipspace which is a desolate and dark domain full of the remains of long extinct civilizations and eerie remains of societies once made
40k: THROUGH THR GATES OF HELL
I thought slipspace was just the creation of wormholes to get from point A to point B
You made me sing Primo Victoria so loud lol
@@jamesyap8364 Lol it's impossible to sing it without having to unlock your jaw ; )
Star Wars Hyperspace is kinda like the warp but way more consistent and safe. Basically, it goes though a opposite realm with a small bubble.
@@jamesyap8364 AS WE MAKE OUT WAY TO TERRA
THROUGH THE XENO LINES
PRIMO VICTORIA!
I love the maritime feeling the time span and danger of warp travel gives to 40k. When one sets out it feels like a real voyage into the troublesome seas, rather than the immediate hop or slow trawl of Star Wars or Star Trek respectively. No one sets out on their own in 40k, at least not successfully
There is a reason the warp is often compared to an ocean, and the Astronomicon a lighthouse.
I see that you have appeased the machine spirit well enough
But arch you have not told us how a warp engine works, what fuel it uses and many other minor and major rambling trivia around them as usual
Afaik 40k doesn’t have some specialized unique fuel for all ships, and warp engines do not use fuel at all.
Or to put it another way: the warp engine draws power from the ship’s generator to tear a rift from reality to the immaterium, then the ship crosses that rift and it collapses. Once inside, it’s almost like sailing in the age of sail mixed with propulsion from the real space engines inside the geller field, using the tides of the warp and the currents of the immaterium to propel the ship through the sea of souls towards it’s destination where it will rip another hole out of the warp and into reality.
You can’t exactly have engines in the traditional sense for inside the warp because ... well traditional physics no longer exists once inside. In that sense, the fuel is the navigator’s skill to guide and perhaps shape the warp currents around the little bubble of reality the ship sits in.
@@93Avenger93 Imperial voidships are stated to be powered by giant plasma engines cared for by a company's worth of enginseers. The Gellar Field is supposed to allow the voidship to travel normally despite the lack of physics.
The Warp Drive is fueled by magic and bottled lightning.
Or if your an ork. You just stare at space until it gets REALLY uncomfortable and opens up so you can enter warpspace
This video is less than 30 minutes long. I would rather this video was an hour long with rambling tangents.
Oh, where we're going, we won't need any Gellar-fields... ;D
We will, however, need roads. We brought lots of tanks.
"Super hell, we're going to super hell, The Dark Angels told the Ultramarines we were going to Disneyland, same corporate overlord different amenities."
*Entire Ship is raped by Demons of Slannesh* YEAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
OfficioAudiorum Tuska to his boyz when he plunged his ship into the Eye of Terror
"Oh, where we're going, we won't need any Geller-fields." - The Primarch Lorgar to his sons
Emperor Class Battle Ship: Gets lost in the warp
Dark Mechanicus: This is getting me harder than terminator armor!!!
I think Hashut makes for an excellent WH40k Chaos God even if he is substantially weaker than any of the Big 4.
@@Marinealver Chaos Squats, working with the Dark Mechanicus to create even stronger Daemon engines, now that’s an interesting duo.
When the gellar field fails
Slaanesh demons: can I fricc it?
No that's a ship for of batshit crazy greenskins....go right ahead
@@donwebber9071 Deamons of Khorne: "Ok first we'll kill it then you frick it."
Deamons of Slaanesh: "You're offer is tantalizing, but we intended to do that afterwards anyway."
Deamons of Khorne: "Ugh frick these guys."
Deamons of Slaanesh: "Yes please!"
"Is that even a question?" * snorts a greedy line of warpdust *
When the Gellar field flickers:
Slaanesh Daemons: *It's time to get funky*
"They don't have the mastery of the warp the Eldar once did with their webway" a.k.a
"Everything Magnus Did Wrong, and why it is all his fault, and other stories"
Well, the only thing Magnus did was rip a great, big, hunking hole into the Emperors webway, thereby letting in all the daemons. Therefore you could argue that the Emperors mastery of the warp was almost as good as that of the Eldar or rather Old Ones, as the Eldar didn't even build the entire thing, if I remember correctly.
And he wouldnt have done it if it wasnt for the horus heresy.
Which was caused by Lorgar aurelion or rather Erebus.
Or if you wanna go a step furter away you can blame Chaos, fucking Chaos
@@arcangleGabriel or the emperor for being stupidly secretive...
@@therandomheretek5403
I can see your point of view.
And I understand why one could think that.
But I personally disagree.
The emperors project needed that level of secrecy to achieve succes.
The only place in the galaxy the Chaos gods couldnt theoretically listen in, was in the emperors presence.
And every primarch had the Chaos gods' eyes on them from the start.
Essentially telling anyone who was not protected by the emperors direct presence.
Would be the same as giving your opponent a detailed, step by step description of your long term plans for their demise.
Generally unwise and thoroughly unadviceable.
The primary point of failure for the emperors plans.
Was his trust in the unity and ability of his pseudo children the primarchs.
This is why 40K came in First AND Last in Ekhart's Ladder's "Which franchise has the best FTL travel?"
Did this video just suddenly go really quiet towards the end or is it just me?
*OH GOD, ARCH IS BEING PULLED INTO THE WARP!!!*
You forgot about the reverse time travel aspects of warp travel. On several occasions ships have gone into the warp only to end up weeks to years in the past. The word bearers series talked about an imperial group knowing about a warp route that did this and incorporating it into their battle plans. An ork warboss used the warp to travel back in time and killed an earlier version of himself so that he could get a copy of his favorite gun.
Dunno the problem is that 40k is nebulous at best on how it's time travel works so most people seem to rather not bring it up.
Huzzah now watch Event Horizon to see what happens when you haven't invented Geller Fields yet.
Or read about the Tau 4th sphere of expansion. Basically the same thing. Space fishies reverse engineer human warp drives and decide to use them.
Without Geller fields. Or Navigators.
Fun ensues.
@93Avenger93 where can I find the stories of the commie blueberries becoming the special friends of the warp beasties? This sounds like fun.
Balevolt oh shit I forgot that movie existed, thanks for reminding me
There is a theory I heard that movie is set in the 40k universe. It would explain why they said it went to Hell. They jumped into the Warp and... yeah I walked out on that movie. No need to see my nightmares on the screen.
@@lordfrostwind3151 it was mentioned first when the new Codex books started coming out post Gathering Storm and Dark Imperium, when the timeline jumps to the end of the Indomitus Crusade and the Plague Wars, everyone got new events added. The Tau codex in it's lore segment has some rather interesting things to say about that debacle and how it was covered up, though Shadowsun eventually finds the survivors (yeah, some lived) and it gets really ... interesting shall we say? It's also detailed upon in both Blood Angels codex and 8th edition codex as well. As for specific books dealing with the topic, sadly this falls into GW's and BL's lack of extensive writing on alien factions, there is only one book that deal with the topic afaik: War of Secrets by Phil Kelly, and that one is told from the perspective of a primaris Dark Angel dealing with a remnant from the 4th sphere of expansion.
The 40K Warp Drive; tunneling through Hell to ignore the laws of physics!
seems like the best TL;DR answer.
Orks don't use Gellar Fields while they're in the warp, they cover their ships with totems of Gork and Mork to scare the demons away. Well, the majority of demons away ; some still pop in to say hi. But to the Orks, a demon incursion is just a great way to pass the time on a boring trip. See Arch's excellent "Tuska the Demon Killa" for examples.
And there’s some Ork ships with massive iron jaws attached to the front to look like a giant monster, and apparently this sometimes works.
"Why have you started this war?"
_"We...?"_
I love this book and I am still angry that I never got the copy back that I've lended someone, it's pretty much impossible to find it here in Germany, at least for a price that is not insane.
Hunt them down
"What do you mean 'which one?' why are there *five?* Who in their right mind would install a damaged Geller Field? Who in their right mind would install *five* damaged Geller Fields!?" -Sgt. Greg Sergeant, Ordos Xenos, AGP.
So warp travel is like that one scene in Guardians of the Galaxy 2:
You are supposed to take only three jumps. YOU WENT THROUGH 3 THOUSAND! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
For further information , watch the movie "Event Horizon"
This
One guy was tortured on thing that appeared like eight pointed star in that movie.
the documentary?
and sometimes you come out of the warp and you realize no time has passed at all in fact you came out of the warp at a time befor you even started you journey
Everyone has forgotten a certain warp drive
The navigator looks into the immetirium and does a double take as a ship named the Heart of Gold flys past using the infinite improbability drive while a depressed android waves and goes sorry for the bowls of petunias that will show up on your gun turrets in about 5 minutes.
Well, the Imperium DOES have a choice on whether or not to use Warp Travel. They could just do the right thing and surrender to the Necrons and beg them to cut the Warp off from reality.
But nope, humans gunna human.
Yes Inquisitor, this post right here.
This video reminds me that the Emperor had a Human Webway project... Didn’t really occur to me until now why, but you know. I bet having a super-highway system in the warp would be great.
The eldar thought so too, but then a few of the exit ramps got ... corrupted and a bunch of hobos decided to start sleeping in it.
Well if they hadn't murderfucked slannesh into existance it would have been fine.
But ya know..... Space elves be horny i guess
Event Horizon.......
*Just another day in the Imperial Navy*
I've always thought of it like the shielded cities of the Final Fantasy movie. The shield is there to keep the "Ghost" out and if they where to get in it means every one is a tasty snack just waiting to be eaten.
Thats for the normal people, Psychers see it as someone who has a Hellraiser puzzle box. They open the box and pass threw into the hell detention hoping they don't attract the attention of the sinners, creatures, demons or cenobites. Because if they do well, Then the fun really begins. A feast of pain and pleasure, men become beast. Or worse butchers looking for beast.
Wow Arch, you added animations instead of just a few pictures that are moving really slowly.
*Angry Ken Burns noises*
"Transmogrified into a giant wheel of cheese" indeed
40K: Travel through hell and bludgeon through hordes of daemonic horrors with barely understood ancient technology to go visit your neighbouring systems.
I'll stick with B5's hyperspace and SDF Macross's fold space. At least B5 has mostly harmless gravity wakes and hyperspace "drifters". SDF Macross Fold Space has Fold Faults and maybe giant FTL capable battleship shooting bugs.
Macross 2 was a great movie. Can't find it on DVD/digital though.
don't forget about the entire fold system just deciding to un-exist
@@jamesm783 bad maintenance. [Insert used car joke here].
Can't convince me SDF Macross isn't the first Ark Mechanicus.
Well, to be fair, B5's hyperspace also ran the risk of encountering a race of c'thulhu monsters.
the Forever War: my dad made me read it at 8 years old: BEST BOOK.
It actually made me smile to hear that Arch had read the Forever War - great book!
The Imperium basically looked at the Event Horizon FTL drive and said: "I can fix this."
Being used as a personal toy by any Slaanesh daemon. Worst nightmare to have
Or best
We really should reverse engineer the Necron propulsion systems. We also shouldn't have pissed off that human AI ship we found from the Dark Age of Technology. They should have been nice long enough to nab some schematics....
Ironically, that AI is pretty much the only one that wanted to kill humans because humans had skullfucked its captain and then tried tearing it apart instead of just wanting to kill humans because reasons.
Orks and warp travel always remind me of Arch's video on Tuska Demonkilla. One of the funniest videos I've listened to.
The anime Gunbuster plays around with time differences in space travel as well. Which is where I was introduced to the concept of travelling through space at insane speeds would affect your time.
Why did I not get notified about this?
Ordos Chronos! Probably not this time, but I'm still gonna blame them.
an the (echo's of the warp) so basically the demons are a bunch of emotional signwaves looking to have constructive interference
You have taught me well Master Arch, for this is the first 40k lore video in which I have learned nothing new. Thank you for your service to The God Emperor and the Imperium of Man and may your service continue for many years to come.
Brothers and sisters we are united once more by RUclipss finest inquisitor !
Only 25 minutes of Lore?, stop this facade and tells us what you did with the real Arch you sweden imitator from AngerManLand.
lol
Hey, I understood that reference!
*_Big Dave would like to know your location..._*
Remember too that there are stories of vessels leaving warp space at their destination, before they entered it at their start point.
Entire fleet of reinforcements to stop an unknown armada, arrive before they left, prompting the message that called them to come. Also a Ork who ran into a duplicate of his entire WAAGH fleet, including himself. Then killed the double of him to have 2 of his favorite gun.
The Warp: So, imagine you're sailing from Europe to the Americas, but the ocean is entirely made out of LSD instead of water. Good luck.
RUclips tried to buttfuck your video into tomorrow, Arch. Technically speaking, it IS morning here in the UK, eh... semantics. Nonetheless, one of my favourite youtubers and lore masters uploading a video? Glorious!
The day the Inquisitor Martyr footage was actually used for something positive...
I always interpreted it as the imperium uses a grimdark version of B5's interstellar travel.
i like how in most sci-fi warp travel is a fairly uninteresting and poorly explored aspect of their lore but in 40k it is arguably one of the most interesting and bizarre features
Oh God that would suck so hard. Spend like 50 years in the warp and you finally come out and you realize you're barely 100km away from where you entered. How infuriating/maddening would that be? I imagine VERY.
Sick today in bed... Suddenly.... Daddy Arch Storytime!!!!!
Ahhhhhh, feeling better now!
17:30 like how admiral Spire’s ship was lost in the warp for eight hundred years!
Arch, you left out the part where GW threw out the rules of warp travel for The Gathering Storm and other stories. WE... know that the time it takes for travel through the warp is messed up. But GW changed all that, the Imperium doesn't have to wait anymore. It magically gets you from point A to point B nearly instantly!
'Fast guaranteed Primaris delivery! Order them on Tuesday, get them by Friday or your order is Free!'
:-)
For the Emperor!
Hey Arch, I know your a busy with a lot things on your table but could you give us a detailed video about the Imperial Navy?
Came here as I'm coming up with a story of my own, and I was afraid my ideas for dimensional/space travel were too close to this. Thank you for the video. Very informative.
I wish all lore channels would throw in 'as explained in such and such a book.' If we want to dig deeper.
Gellerpox video follow up? Papa Nurgle got a bit tired of all his little creations not being able to get a suitable meal it seems. Also, I wonder how many captains and merchants use real space travel because they consider the warp to be too dangerous. That would make for some interesting stories. I can just imagine someone conscripted from the crew of such a vessel being placed on an Imperial troop transport and volunteering to “guard” the most heavily armored sections of the ship.
Kind of like the movie Event Horizon, where the FTL drive essentially took a ship through a hell dimension to get to A from B.
Apprently best minds of 40k era dont know shit about how warp travel really works but some guy on youtube can explain it in just about 26 minutes without leaving his chair. Oh dark ages of technology, how much we'll lose.
I can explain, but I will need a corpse to demonstrate.
That necron head in the jar, wonder if they have witty conversations while researching stuff.
Wow, there is a lot to process in all this. 1) I wonder if the human federation during the dark age of technology had a superior version of FTL since they wouldn't have had either the beacon of big E or navigators to make the journey. 2) The concepts surrounding the time dilation effects seem really underutilized in the lore, where are the books for a crusader era astartes fleet entering the warp before the heresy and coming out 10 thousand years later to find out that the Imperium they have dedicated their lives to has decayed into a monstrous parody of the emperors vision? Or a story about a ship of reinforcements arriving to a doomed world before the war has broken out which leads to a scramble to find a way to prevent its destruction. I'd read both of those.
The old human federation existed during a period where the warp was burned out, hung over, sleepy and quiet. (Because the last major event was the War In Heaven and the Eldar Gods were keeping things quiet.) It was things picking back up with Slanneish that proceeded to screw it all up for them. Even then, they had far superior real space drives so their shorter 'hops' were easier. Also they had Navigators, developed the gene type themselves from what I hear. The Emperor may or may not have been involved in that.
THE FOREVER WAR IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOOKS EVER, it’s so good
@Arch wanna thank you again for the work you put into these videos. Really in-depth work here!
Y'know, they should add mods to DOOM 2016 that as you travel through Hell, you can see Chaos and Imperial ships silently sailing by above you as you slaughter demons in the name of the Emperor.
Arch I hope you read this...
THANK YOU SO MUCH for mentioning the forever war. I thought for some reason it was a Warhammer 40k Black Library novel and so I found it in audiobook and listenined to it during work.
I came expecting a good black library novel, I got a one in a lifetime scifi experience.
A story so gripping and impactful it stays with you and leaves a mark on your life.
Thank you so much, and thanks for your lore videos. I've been listening to them nearly every night to sleep since about 2014. :)
Oh boi, the forever war is one of my fav. Sci-fi books
It's a littlebit like the hyperspace in Babylon 5 but with demons and chaos gods.
Best description of the warp I've ever heard: "Every single thought or feeling you have ever had both consciously and subconsciously, becomes reality in the Warp. Every single human emotion becomes a power. Every single metaphor becomes a literal meaning. Everyone's wishes, dreams, desires, fears and nightmares are incarnated. Of course the reason the warp is so corrosive and horrifying is because so many conflicting and contradicting ideas are floating around inside of it. And the "Gods" are in fact, collective subconscious constructs that reflect crucial mental aspects of ALL life. Deamons are shards of their respective gods, much like individual cells make up an organism." Magnus the red from If the Emperor had a text to speech device episode 19: warp grumblings
40k Warp travels has a lot of parallels to Babylon5
So it's just Monster Inc., in space, for non children.
YES!
Interesting that you touched on the forever war, and wondering if you would do a whole show on the book? The book is really unique and the storyline is quite bizarre, while also being realistic.
If pretension could take human form it would manifest itself as Arch Warhammer.
Arch me boyo you should make a video on the Tau star-tide nexus and the whole 4th/5th sphere expansion debacle. Its like the Riot games story, its the enemies we can't stand versus enemies we just prefer not to spend time with, but enemies none the less! lol
A reminder to keep the Gellar Fields ON.
The Xenosaga Trilogy did something simpler with the the Unus Munddus Network. Just with an Anime paint job.
All Navigators are special.
My teeth itch, and I taste purple...
Ok, which one of you jokers turned off the Gellar-field?
A minor warp possession could make for a fun low budget slasher flick. Maybe on a trader ship.
Ha! I just thinking of The Forever War when you mentioned relativity. It's an amazing book!
Wouldn't an Alcubierre Drive be safer? Especially given the instability of the Warp
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That’s essentially what the Tau space travel is, but is slower than warp travel.
@@bc9402 so then would it fair to say #blameLorgar?
The Tau use 'warp skimming' which decently apes ye olde Alcubierre Drive by touching on the warp and being pushed back 'down' into reality during which the laws of physics are rather loose. As a note, humanity evidently did this as well back in the day. The Admech have a few hidden 'Void Impeller' ships that use that drive and the Necrons have an Inertialless Drive that seems to be such a drive, and potentially an advanced Void Impeller type.
The Imperium basically points themselves in the general direction, pray REALLY hard, then crap themselves as they rip the universe a new one and hope they don't bring anything back with them when they get home. Watch the movie Event Horizon... kinda like that!
XD the soft Fading away at the end love it :D
Love the forever war plug. Favourite book
Just don't buy a discount used ship with like 6 jury rigged gellar fields on it unless you want to have an interesting trip.
Aww man. I did enjoy The Forever War. A friend gave it to me and damn am I thankful.
If you really wanna get familiar with relative times and space travel, watch Gunbuster. Not only is it absolutely an amazing show, it's short and gets the point across.
The Enderverse (Ender's Game) has space travel that takes into account relativistic effects so that a few weeks pass on board ship while decades pass for the rest of the universe. The social and emotional effects of this are explored in some depth.
I always thought warp travel in 40k was very similar to the jump gate travel used in Babylon 5
Not even remotely. Babylon 5 just used Hyperspace, which aside from having zero landmarks and space warping non-sense that'll tear you apart if you don't know it's there, is basically safe. The gates are cheaper on fuel then using your own drive, hence why they get used most of the time, but it's the same tech leading to the same hyperspace. Then there's Third Space, which as the Vorlons found out, is not nearly so nice. It's not The Warp level bad, but the locals are remarkably intolerant of anyone barging into their space.
I remember reading a book about how modern laws being dangerously slow to catch up with technology, one of the ways they look at an example is a girl who is 12 years old from her perspective but is legally 30, because no politicians ever cared about space travel enough to include its necessities in a subsection of their laws. In the book this screws the Earth governments who aren't willing to change over repeatedly because they fail to keep their space colonies loyal.
In much simpler way, the warp and real space are like different sides of the same coin.