2 burgers trying to show that they were from middle class while reality is both are from the elite class which isn't wrong but them trying to show that they were from middle class is what makes the convo idiotic.
They are middle class, its your perception that middle class people are the one hanging out of bus. Thats poor class bro :) Elite class would be sons of politicians, malik riaz etc Your base line of classes is wrong
41 minutes se zyada nahi dekh ska, the guy who is hosting the podcast manipulates and wrongly phrases the statements whenever he wants and then repeatedly tells Muzamil not to wrongly phrase statements. GREAT!!
😂 left exactly the r same minutes lol, host is like an idiot. Not sure what He was trying to prove, extreme sarcastic behavior and low intellect. He should treat Muzzamil well
Very happy to see such an amazingly healthy discussion. This is what we need to understand that we are all humans. We learn, unlearn! We do mistakes. But the most important thing is that we should always accept our right or wrong doings.
Why are people praising this podcast? This was more of a debate. Host was not even letting guest complete his point. Host acted like he had personal grudges against the guest. Tameez honi chahye if you have invited someone as a guest
Great podcast, love your podcasts as always, here I will appreciate Muzammil for confronting every single thing and trying to clear especially in front of public, it really need guts to constantly face the criticism patiently and dont react, both of you guys has taught the public how to resolve any personal matter in a civilised manner❤
An absolute treat of a podcast. Credit to Muzammil for owning up and apologising while setting the record straight. Hats off to Shehzad. As inspiring as always. Can't wait for the second part.
An immature take … the host of the podcast should never bring a guest to speak with the hidden agenda of settling personal scores.. this is what it seemed like grow up this isn’t playground “ u said this now apologize” Ever heard of freedom of speech .. we are all entitled to our opinions he disagreed with u over politics .. it wasn’t personal
what's up with host continuously attacking the guest & all these sarcastic comments in between then pulling up screenshots of private group? Host have no manners about conducting a podcast. Learn from Muzamil, see how calm and tolerant he is. Maybe host was trying to create drama for views. Disgusting.
Kudos to Muzammil for coming on the podcast and facing these tough questions like a champ. Didn't think he had it in him. Although I love Shehzad, I think sometimes he starts cutting people during a conversation. It's counter-productive and makes the other person defensive, instead of answering the question.
The cutting-in is absolutely necessary for keeping the guest on topic because on uncomfortable topics. Keeps the conversation sharp and interesting otherwise people start blabbering and jump from one topic to another without addressing it properly.
Hats off to the host how he exposed Muzamil, and literally made him Sob like a teenage kid. these Millennial kids with know it all and using soundbites and catch phrases from American media think they are mature pod casters, poses tobe a rare commodity in pakistan and a mouth piece for the Elites.They are no worse than those petty journals of current politically biased media.
Line of questioning is so feisty and well researched. The confrontation part was definitely epic. This also makes me realize how articulate and vigilant one has to be at all times being an activist, social media personality or journalist. It is nothing like having a convo in our 'elite drawing rooms'.
This wasn't a podcast this was more of an interview even though Shehzad is claiming multiple times he does a podcast not an interview, but in his whole podcast he's trying to attack Muzammil on the things they disagree with. Credit goes to Muzammil for apologizing and not making it look like Shehbaz Gill vs Rana Sana Ullah. That clip shouldn't have been published yet Shehzad not even published he's publishing it in short videos on social platforms to get views.
Shahzad was getting offended and was not letting Muzammil talk properly. Just because you know alot of terms it does not mean you cannot be immature and negative. I just can't grope the fact that PPP and PML-N had held jalsas during Covid. Asifa ardari with Masters in Global Health urged people to come out. As a student of Geography and Disaster Management , i feel COP 27 and other climate change work has been going on in the concerned departments. Please keep the politics aside. Politicians are just shit.
What an amazing podcast. Both guys have opposite views on some topics and atlast they both agree on one conclusion. These type of debates should be encourage so that the audience can get a rational and critical analysis. Respect❤️🙌🏻👍🏼
I have been listening to many Pakistani podcasts since two years now and I don't remember if I heard this long podcast. This might be the longest podcast in Pakistan as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong. Pakistani content is heading towards right direction ❤️
Actual discussion? I found this guy muzammil an absolute disappointment. If this guy is the reflection of Pakistan’s youth, no wonder pakistan is the way it is.
@@ThePakistanExperienceIt was a good podcast but it was not cool to discuss private msgs on public podcast you could hav solved this issue with him personally. secondly u both r knowledgable but muzamil seemed more logical and precise during arguments also him saying again and again that i m not defending and yet u used this caption for ur podcast seems that u r badly trying to prove him a pti worker ,starting from dmw discussion to caption all ur effort was in proving him to be son pti payroll. Be precise and avoid personal biases while on podcast otherwise ur podcasts are great. Good luck
This is called a genuine conversation. A genuine podcast. Although, this is my 1st, if not the second podcast I am watching on The Pakistan Experience, but the way Mr. Ghiaz questioned every question to Mr. Muzammil was amazing. And the way, Mr. Muzammil answered each and every question was great.
Not a fan of personal criticism part. I think these conversations should have been done off camera. Wasn't very professional. Also i wished Shehzad would at least let Muzammil complete. Let him say what he has to and then say or negate whatever you want to. Conversations do not mean that you have to cut in all the time. Leaves a bad taste.
This was such a brilliant podcast - I loved loved every bit of it - it was heartening to see men expressing their vulnerability especially leading Podcast owners of the country - 👏👏👏👏thanks for spreading the message of openness, apology, empathy and mutual respect in the end - thank you Shehzad and Muzammil for this episode - brilliant work guys!!
Muzamil is far more professional, polite, decent and has the loudest thoughts but yet very well expressed. Shahzad has such a casual attitude and his thoughts are so rigid and based on a pre prepared mind set of bashing.
I really felt bad for Muzammil when he broke down to tears. Political discourse aside, you two were having very real and vulnerable discussion. Too good!
The thing that disappoints me the most is that muzamil's viewers are targeting shehzad and shehzad's viewers are targeting muzamil in the comments, which basically ruins the entire reason for conducting this podcast. It is easy for both of you move on from mistakes like this but neither of you understand how influencial you actually are, and trust me you don't know it. Maybe it was better to not even conduct this podcast in the first place. And I know a couple of paragraphs from me hold no value to either of you but just remember you are slowly becoming the thing that you guys swore to destroy.
The major reason behind muzamil bhae's lack of understanding of populism is that he doesn't understand what providing simplistic solutions for complex problems means. ( For example, "Roti, kapra, Makan" is not a simplistic solution, yes these are mere three words but their implementation requires changing the overhaul of Pakistan's governance model; "Vote ko izzat do" is not again a simplistic solution, you have to implement rule of law and democratic culture in letter and spirit to follow this slogan which is quite a lengthy task; "Tax the rich" is again not a simplistic solution to a complex problem; but arresting two or three political opponents for correcting the entire flaws in Pakistan's governance model is surely a simplistic solution). There is a huge difference between providing a simple solution for complex problems and providing well-thought-out solutions portrayed simply for a complex problem. Muzamil bhae words pe mat jaeye concepts or nature of the argument pe Jayen. And in the last muzamil bhae just like the scientific or factual things you or I can't change the definition of populism according to our point of views. Populism is a political concept and it lies at the forefront of Modern Political Science, its definition or concept is neither established by far-right nor far-left, it is an academic work.
Honestly, I have never seen Muzammil’s podcast but after seeing this episode I will definitely look into that - because it takes integrity and grace to own your mistakes and apologize-
This wasn't just a hard conversation for you both, but for me as a viewer too. Took me around 3 weeks to completely watch this podcast in bits and pieces.. but the last 10 mins or so helped me let go of all the uncomfortable feeling I had while watching it. Good job🙌🏻
@@f.50 I watched tpe when it started streaming, and shezad has come a long way, but I think personal confrontation could have gone off cam, would have been magnanimity on the side of shehzad . .
@@alihaider5190 why? Both are sort of public figures with a public beef, if they decided to settle it publicly, why do others have a problem with that.
@@f.50 because it wasn't apparently looking settled, rather pushed, however, shezad has given a detailed comment on this that it is settled... Visuals have great power :)
Funny how Shahzad Ghias was constantly judging Muzamil for being politically biased despite his own biasedness due to personal grudges & political inclinations which was evident throughout. Hats off to Muzammil for being so patient to all this hypocrisy while maintaining his eloquence at the same time. Even the middle class discussion came out of Shehzad trying to corner him publicly which was just based on a private group discussion. Shehzad you're doing a good job but sorry to say you've always been negative & the first time I witnessed this is when you blamed Tabish Hashmi for looting some amount of money from you in the QWS show ... remember? You have this habit of bringing up personal issues on live shows which obviously can always be sorted offline. Here's the link to that show: ruclips.net/video/NoT1QksK6Pw/видео.html ( Skip to 1:02:00)
New follower here and I must say, this podcast managed to keep me engaged throughout. It was refreshing to see raw, honest and productive conversations like these, it’s incredibly brave to have difficult conversations where both parties manage to see their own vices and hold each other accountable.
Love the civilised manner in which the two young men talk about their differences without hiding their biases. I like it. To me positions either one takes on different issues including with respect to each other is not important. What is more important is their honesty, openness, civility and respecting each others views. Wish Pakistanis could take the tight message from this discussion.
I'm halfway of this podcast and I can't stop myself writting down some thoughts here. First of all I am a huge fan of Shehzad's podcasts. He's having conversations, nobody is having!! Having that said, this podcast has something, it is so so so real. So raw! I do not know much about Muzamil, so many of the background stories I had no idea about. Still, you could perfectly see on the first hour his need of defending himself. Like I felt kind of pity for him, even a little anbnoyed where he wasn't ready to assume some facts... Later, how bravely Shehzad put out some "personal" attacks to him and I was about to cry. This felt so real, so humaningly true. Finally a podcast that make us see how we humans are, full of flwas, full of doubts, full of 'feelings'. I love how this shows that we must sit down and talk peacefully, even when we complain, do it right, listen to each other. And right now I'm where Muzamil starts to cry. I had to stop to write this down before it changes my perspective at the end of the podcast. This converstation has touched me differently Shehzad. You're doing such great job MashAllah! Hope to sit down someday talking about everything in your podcast, Regards xxxxxxxx
Other comments will let you know regarding the awesomeness of this podcast. However, as someone who has watched loads of Muzamil's podcasts, I also got emotional from 1:43:05 to 1:44:07. Considering the fact that he knows the power of words and uses it effectively, that moment was very surprising for me. Cheer up lad! All of us make mistakes, but accepting them takes real courage.
@@abdulrehmankhan4860 I really respect your opinion. Just an advice, your words really show your background and upbringing, so kindly use them wisely. May Allah bless you :)
It's always wonderful to see two people with differing political opinions sitting together and talking things out. I was pleasantly surprised to see Muzammil agreeing with a lot of toxic things that PTI supporters do. It was also great to see him openly say that he doesn't agree with the views of bigots like Ali Mohammed. Clearly such conversations need to happen so we can see how much more we agree on rather than disagree. Thank you for always trying to do your best to heal the divide Shehzad! Your podcast continues to surprise and helps unlearn so much.
Halfway through this podcast I made up my mind to write mean about you and your podcast but then I decided to watch full lenght and man what a podcast it was. Loved it to bits. Kudos to both of you.
Uncomfortable conversation for Muzamil for sure but he kept along with the conversation so that was great! Shehzad didnt show any mercy and Muzamil was lost for words on a number occasions. I guess Muzamil had the answer but couldnt really construct them as bouncers kept on coming!
They both gonna remember this conversation for many years to come. And that's the beauty of having an open conversation. I do disagree with a few points made by Mr. Shehzad on personal instances, same as I disagree with Mr. Muzammil's view points about politics. But then again, this podcast wasn't about listeners as much it was about them. They sat, had long convo on and off camera, cried, laughed and try to learn through their mistakes. It's beautiful. More power your way ❤️
I am a fan of (a kind of) Muzammil. Only because he knows what he is doing....he knows how to motivate ppl .... And honestly muzammil you spoke very well on this podcast. And they you cries for Hamna's pain....you took my heart away ....crying....brb 🥺
Shehzad, I have been watching your podcasts since the last one year and this today has won my heart. I love you for the bravery with which you confronted Muzammil. I admire you for your honesty and not trying to become a people pleaser just because they're on your podcast. Muzammil is doing great work too, i like his podcasts too. But with your podcasts, I as a Pakistani feel more connected and heard because you really ask the most important, relevant and difficult questions. i have learned how to ask good questions from you. thank you and more power to you!!💕
This is nothing but a senseless argument... Host keep interrupting guest.. closing this video... Its nuisance... Please keep integrity of podcast.. it is like a tv debate that we hate and come to RUclips for some meaningful discussion.. very disappointed
I will come here everyday to comment that shahzad sir needs to learn ..how to listen to another's point of view and not to interrupt when someone is trying to explain
Its wonderful that there’s a conversation between the two sides. A humane one. Great stuff Shehzad. Keep these coming. Hats off to Muzammil that he came to the podcast and had this difficult conversation.
Having watched this podcast, I convinced that Musamil was way way more open minded and pragmatist who was having a policy oriented approach than Shahzad bhai who was more into the political rhetoric and historical debate on war between politicians and establishment than practical solution to the various problems faced by the country.
@@holidayplatform2570 For me both are biased as Shehzad is Noon league supporter and Muzamil is PTI supporter.Both are needed to disaffiliate themselves from political parties.
2:17:46 How could Shaukat Tereen possibly have acted on his own? If he acted on his own, why was he not given a show-cause notice by PTI? Afterward, PTI leadership even came out in his defense. Muzammil accepts IK tried to crash the economy by fixing fuel prices but chose not to accept that Shaukat Tareen acted on IK's will when he tried to sabotage the IMF deal. Muzamil Bhai really needs a detox from PTI propaganda.
It's extremely cheap of shehzad ghias to bring up a text sent in a 'private group chat' and embarass a man in 'public'. Coming from someone who's not a frequent viewer of any of their podcast.
I like the conversation except Syed's insistence on separating himself from PTI's rhetoric. He is using an elitist framing, blaming every bad argument made in the favor of pti on "aam aadmi" and posturing as the "parha likha" spokesperson. Edit: I wrote that after watching the first 30 minutes. By halfway through the podcast, his mask of respectability completely shatters. Thank you Shehzad for holding his feet to the fire.
The Podcaster is constantly cutting off the guest. It takes patience to listen to another. Hopefully, he would work on this area. Otherwise, an informative podcast.
@46:41 shehzad says why are you relying on ppl's comments ... n he himself relied on Muzammil's comment... n created a viral scene in podcast ! 👏 wow 👏
Also loved learning more about Muzammil. Had no idea about the social media interaction between you two. Almost feeling regretful about asking you when this is coming out at Napa on Sunday. I might have probably come across as a troll but I meant what I said, I'm an avid listener and a huge fan of you in general. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. It is a privilege to be able to sit in a room with you. Metaphorically, at least.
I feel bad for muzzamil to come to this show, he is bigger than this and shouldn't come to this cheap podcast where they don't respect the guests. The whole podcast is showing that shehzad wants his badla and attacking muzammil unnecessarily and uski sun bhi nahi raha. Bhai podcast se pehle resolve karlete personal msgs, usko sab ke saamne zeel karna tha bas. Really bad for shehzad acting like immature.
I didn't even seen any of your or Muzamil videos before that... I come here to watch the whole story after watching short clips on social media... One thing is very very clear to me after watching it that you don't want a conversation.... During whole podcast you were just trying to provoke him and trying your very best to make him look stupid... I'm sorry to say but I shouldn't have watched it
Shehzad, the way you confronted Muzammil was incredible! A mix of yorkers and bouncers that put him on the back foot. I hope he refrains from doing the things he had done previously, although highly doubt it
Seems like Muzamil is trying to learn. He is a bright person. We all have believed in things we are ashamed of now. Let people heal , let them learn and grow. Let’s not put them down so they feel scared to change. Good to hear his side. Hope he brings more guests who challenge his beliefs.
If at the end you say I'll still vote the same party then you've your mind made up for not liking things in a rational way and admitting the horse you bet on turned out to be sick
It seems Ghias is just Over grilling to get content out of muzammil and it feels like i am watching expose video that's really disrespectful for a guest. Showing private comments, targeting and getting offended by someone's views and making assumptions out is not good. If u have different opinion then gud for u. This whole fuss about comments and private group could have been discussed off camera
This is not a professional podcast .. it’s like calling someone and targeting him out of no where on old stories… just because you have a platform to talk it doesn’t mean you will attack your guest crazyily… You are bullying targeting on personal issues.. too bad.
Shahzad is a savage. I love both of you and I love how this conversation went on the heated track and you handled it nicely. No one is perfect. One suggestion, please bring Waqar Zaqa on your podcast.
@@realslimshady4594 Bitter about what? False statements and accusations trust Muzammil had to apologise for? It was literally a masterclass in confronting false allegations. Super impressed by Shahzad.
@@realslimshady4594 atleast he was "bitter" on his own behalf, you fanboys are mad on someone else's behalf even though the dude himself admitted the discourse between the two will only get better after this and it will.
People like you are the reason god created middle finger. Shehzad keeps being successful, famous, kind, beautiful and rich and No jobless troll could ever change that. Jealousy is a disease. Get well soon
Shehzad schooling Muzamil on political ideologies is the best part. This is the reality of our society where you jump into discussions that you don't have any knowledge of, and using English terminologies has been the best tactic for any argument.
İt was simply bullshit act by the host to settle personal scores at public/ online forum. These forums are for intellectual discussion but one can expect any nonsense from Mr Shahzad. Simply bizarre......... How can he compare his biased and stupid content with an intellectual content of Mr Muzzamil. That's why Shahzad is just 1/10 of audience in comparison to Muzzamil. I think Shahzad has blew that frustration out ;)
As someone who didn't know about either of these gentlemen before watching this, I must say I would give credit to both the host and the guest for having a candid conversation. My two cents: if you've already got them cornered, no need to beat them over the head with it. I understand that's not everyone's personal style, but in my view, the host would've come out looking more grounded after a solid confrontation without continuing to buckle down and hammer the other person once your point is made. I'm intrigued to see what else comes up on this channel.
Never been a Muzamil fan before this podcast. A sane man and quite a reasonable person as well. Shehzad’s confrontation part was a lil petty, itna b personal nai tha wo comment, but damn he really was hurt. Kudos to Muzamil for his answers. And yeah Shehzad’s take on PTI seems very biased, as if there’s nothing okay about that party when compared to others, which is weird.
Great podcast, honest and raw, but with lots of empathy. You said that you disagree with a few things at a fundamental level with Dr. Taimur Rahman, and i think a podcast where you guys talk about your disagreements would be a good one
I do not agree with your views shehzad despite of that if you have invited someone be a little respectful, be mature. Muzzamil is being mature he apologised many times but again and again you are coming back to those points. This podcast would have been alot better, this podcast was supposed to discuss random things that are done in many other podcasts. Your whole podcast was going amazing I was actually enjoying it but after some time I felt that you were taking revenge of something ie, personal grudges.
Maybe this was not the best occasion to confront a guest about some remarks ( albeit of personal nature ) he has made in the past and try to embarrass him in a Podcast that ten of thousands of people would ultimately watch. Also, I felt at many points, Shehzad was not allowing the guest to talk and cutting him off in the middle. Could have perhaps adopted a more polite approach.
Shahzad Ghais invited him, just to grill him for calling him for his own personal grudge. Probably jealous of Muzamils success & wanted to make money while doing it 😜. Although very unprofessional behavior of Shahzad.
@Muzzamil bhai... hats off❤️❤️❤️ Love you always 💞 such a humble person, how difficult for you to face such an arrogant opponent but you have done great,kudos to you! Shezad ghias will remember his this behavior and one day he'll apologize you publicly...✅
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Dil ki baat . Muzammil targeted by gias
This podcast is so raw and authentic. It takes a lot of courage to come forward, own your mistakes and apologize. Kudos to Muzamil!
2 burgers trying to show that they were from middle class while reality is both are from the elite class which isn't wrong but them trying to show that they were from middle class is what makes the convo idiotic.
Absolutely!
Jealous much?
They are middle class, its your perception that middle class people are the one hanging out of bus. Thats poor class bro :)
Elite class would be sons of politicians, malik riaz etc
Your base line of classes is wrong
@@KishmalaIslam the meatriding is crazy
Do you pay their bills? Nahi na! Then chill kro and stop making an issue out of something for which they are not even answerable to anyone
I'm not a TBT/Muzamil fan, but one thing I would put up here: Muzamil has some serious balls. Knew what he was walking into, and yet went it.
He came off looking better look at the contrast professional look, clean cut and disciplines as opposed to sgs who’s unkempt and undisciplined
Ahh the personality worshipping of Pakistanis never disappoints
Is ko kehte h beela bnda
Muz is a cheetah. Sacha bnda ha darna kyun tha.
@@faeznadeem4145 lol ur a pti fan😭
41 minutes se zyada nahi dekh ska, the guy who is hosting the podcast manipulates and wrongly phrases the statements whenever he wants and then repeatedly tells Muzamil not to wrongly phrase statements. GREAT!!
😂 left exactly the r same minutes lol, host is like an idiot. Not sure what He was trying to prove, extreme sarcastic behavior and low intellect. He should treat Muzzamil well
Piers Morgan in chita shashay
He never did that watched the whole thing he never distorted or manipulated his words. He was inquiring about his narratives and statements
@@yahyakhalid6160 no i am good! Seen enough!
Muzammil's podcasts have always been very constructive and productive.
Very happy to see such an amazingly healthy discussion. This is what we need to understand that we are all humans. We learn, unlearn! We do mistakes. But the most important thing is that we should always accept our right or wrong doings.
And such podcast show others that we can have different opinions that can be voiced in a mature and healthy manner.
Why are people praising this podcast? This was more of a debate. Host was not even letting guest complete his point. Host acted like he had personal grudges against the guest. Tameez honi chahye if you have invited someone as a guest
Boht sakhat podcast. Aag aur paani ka milaap. Kudos to Shehzad for inviting Muzammil and hats off to Muzammil for being as honest as possible.
Great podcast, love your podcasts as always, here I will appreciate Muzammil for confronting every single thing and trying to clear especially in front of public, it really need guts to constantly face the criticism patiently and dont react, both of you guys has taught the public how to resolve any personal matter in a civilised manner❤
An absolute treat of a podcast. Credit to Muzammil for owning up and apologising while setting the record straight. Hats off to Shehzad. As inspiring as always. Can't wait for the second part.
There is a second part?
An absolute cringe of a podcast.
No manners shown by shahzad bhai. Lg rha hai bol news ya republic tv chl rha hai
Like he was telling about economic policies .. and shehzad sir interrupted him hafiz sheikh, asad umar then tareen etc...
Such a petty host.
It's literally like muhalay ki phupo. "Tuny mere baray main yeh kaha woh kaha"
What a stupid person.
An immature take … the host of the podcast should never bring a guest to speak with the hidden agenda of settling personal scores.. this is what it seemed like grow up this isn’t playground “ u said this now apologize”
Ever heard of freedom of speech .. we are all entitled to our opinions he disagreed with u over politics .. it wasn’t personal
what's up with host continuously attacking the guest & all these sarcastic comments in between then pulling up screenshots of private group? Host have no manners about conducting a podcast. Learn from Muzamil, see how calm and tolerant he is. Maybe host was trying to create drama for views. Disgusting.
Kudos to Muzammil for coming on the podcast and facing these tough questions like a champ. Didn't think he had it in him. Although I love Shehzad, I think sometimes he starts cutting people during a conversation. It's counter-productive and makes the other person defensive, instead of answering the question.
The cutting-in is absolutely necessary for keeping the guest on topic because on uncomfortable topics. Keeps the conversation sharp and interesting otherwise people start blabbering and jump from one topic to another without addressing it properly.
@@ThePakistanExperience bro batain karna aur TV show host karney mein faraak hai.
Hats off to the host how he exposed Muzamil, and literally made him Sob like a teenage kid. these Millennial kids with know it all and using soundbites and catch phrases from American media think they are mature pod casters, poses tobe a rare commodity in pakistan and a mouth piece for the Elites.They are no worse than those petty journals of current politically biased media.
Line of questioning is so feisty and well researched. The confrontation part was definitely epic. This also makes me realize how articulate and vigilant one has to be at all times being an activist, social media personality or journalist. It is nothing like having a convo in our 'elite drawing rooms'.
it was not to bring personal issues
Wow Muzammil is a lion for showing up and owning up. Hats off 👏👏
This wasn't a podcast this was more of an interview even though Shehzad is claiming multiple times he does a podcast not an interview, but in his whole podcast he's trying to attack Muzammil on the things they disagree with. Credit goes to Muzammil for apologizing and not making it look like Shehbaz Gill vs Rana Sana Ullah. That clip shouldn't have been published yet Shehzad not even published he's publishing it in short videos on social platforms to get views.
Shehzad don't give softball to anyone neither allow podcast to go off track
Shahzad was getting offended and was not letting Muzammil talk properly. Just because you know alot of terms it does not mean you cannot be immature and negative. I just can't grope the fact that PPP and PML-N had held jalsas during Covid. Asifa ardari with Masters in Global Health urged people to come out. As a student of Geography and Disaster Management , i feel COP 27 and other climate change work has been going on in the concerned departments. Please keep the politics aside. Politicians are just shit.
What an amazing podcast. Both guys have opposite views on some topics and atlast they both agree on one conclusion. These type of debates should be encourage so that the audience can get a rational and critical analysis.
Respect❤️🙌🏻👍🏼
I have been listening to many Pakistani podcasts since two years now and I don't remember if I heard this long podcast. This might be the longest podcast in Pakistan as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong. Pakistani content is heading towards right direction ❤️
Good to see "ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS" happening. So good to see such content
Actual discussion? I found this guy muzammil an absolute disappointment. If this guy is the reflection of Pakistan’s youth, no wonder pakistan is the way it is.
@@liliths_ agreed, underwhelming just like his podcast.
@@liliths_ he just keeps on shilling about himself and his idiotic achievements.
@@ThePakistanExperienceIt was a good podcast but it was not cool to discuss private msgs on public podcast you could hav solved this issue with him personally. secondly u both r knowledgable but muzamil seemed more logical and precise during arguments also him saying again and again that i m not defending and yet u used this caption for ur podcast seems that u r badly trying to prove him a pti worker ,starting from dmw discussion to caption all ur effort was in proving him to be son pti payroll. Be precise and avoid personal biases while on podcast otherwise ur podcasts are great. Good luck
This is called a genuine conversation. A genuine podcast. Although, this is my 1st, if not the second podcast I am watching on The Pakistan Experience, but the way Mr. Ghiaz questioned every question to Mr. Muzammil was amazing. And the way, Mr. Muzammil answered each and every question was great.
Not a fan of personal criticism part. I think these conversations should have been done off camera. Wasn't very professional. Also i wished Shehzad would at least let Muzammil complete. Let him say what he has to and then say or negate whatever you want to. Conversations do not mean that you have to cut in all the time. Leaves a bad taste.
This was such a brilliant podcast - I loved loved every bit of it - it was heartening to see men expressing their vulnerability especially leading Podcast owners of the country - 👏👏👏👏thanks for spreading the message of openness, apology, empathy and mutual respect in the end - thank you Shehzad and Muzammil for this episode - brilliant work guys!!
Muzamil is far more professional, polite, decent and has the loudest thoughts but yet very well expressed. Shahzad has such a casual attitude and his thoughts are so rigid and based on a pre prepared mind set of bashing.
I agree.
Sugar coat karke English me bolne se koi professional nhi hota...
What a man Muzammil is! Amazing podcast! Hats off for facing every question so fiercely yet comfortably.
But still Pti sucks
@@axzostavicii7765 PMLN and PPP sucks more than PTI.
Well spoken Muzamil.
Shehzad on the other hand only tried to label Muzamil as a PTI supporter for 2 hours.
I really felt bad for Muzammil when he broke down to tears. Political discourse aside, you two were having very real and vulnerable discussion. Too good!
Where did he?
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The thing that disappoints me the most is that muzamil's viewers are targeting shehzad and shehzad's viewers are targeting muzamil in the comments, which basically ruins the entire reason for conducting this podcast.
It is easy for both of you move on from mistakes like this but neither of you understand how influencial you actually are, and trust me you don't know it.
Maybe it was better to not even conduct this podcast in the first place. And I know a couple of paragraphs from me hold no value to either of you but just remember you are slowly becoming the thing that you guys swore to destroy.
Muzamil is so well behaved and calm in this podcast. Very genuinely done podcast. Loved every bit of it.
The major reason behind muzamil bhae's lack of understanding of populism is that he doesn't understand what providing simplistic solutions for complex problems means. ( For example, "Roti, kapra, Makan" is not a simplistic solution, yes these are mere three words but their implementation requires changing the overhaul of Pakistan's governance model; "Vote ko izzat do" is not again a simplistic solution, you have to implement rule of law and democratic culture in letter and spirit to follow this slogan which is quite a lengthy task; "Tax the rich" is again not a simplistic solution to a complex problem; but arresting two or three political opponents for correcting the entire flaws in Pakistan's governance model is surely a simplistic solution). There is a huge difference between providing a simple solution for complex problems and providing well-thought-out solutions portrayed simply for a complex problem.
Muzamil bhae words pe mat jaeye concepts or nature of the argument pe Jayen.
And in the last muzamil bhae just like the scientific or factual things you or I can't change the definition of populism according to our point of views. Populism is a political concept and it lies at the forefront of Modern Political Science, its definition or concept is neither established by far-right nor far-left, it is an academic work.
This comment needs to be much higher up the thread!
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well said brother
Honestly, I have never seen Muzammil’s podcast but after seeing this episode I will definitely look into that - because it takes integrity and grace to own your mistakes and apologize-
This wasn't just a hard conversation for you both, but for me as a viewer too. Took me around 3 weeks to completely watch this podcast in bits and pieces.. but the last 10 mins or so helped me let go of all the uncomfortable feeling I had while watching it. Good job🙌🏻
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Host was hell bent to roast him but Muzammil Hassan take it as mature learned man
you've clearly never watched TPE before, you just came here from the TBT group to comment here
@@f.50 I watched tpe when it started streaming, and shezad has come a long way, but I think personal confrontation could have gone off cam, would have been magnanimity on the side of shehzad . .
@@alihaider5190 why? Both are sort of public figures with a public beef, if they decided to settle it publicly, why do others have a problem with that.
@@f.50 because it wasn't apparently looking settled, rather pushed, however, shezad has given a detailed comment on this that it is settled... Visuals have great power :)
2 hours into the podcast and I am so happy I deleted all my social media (except youtube) five years ago. Life is much more peaceful and intentional.
First time watching you and love the podcasting style! Really enjoyed the civil discourse. New favourite Pakistani podcaster for sure 💃🏻
Funny how Shahzad Ghias was constantly judging Muzamil for being politically biased despite his own biasedness due to personal grudges & political inclinations which was evident throughout. Hats off to Muzammil for being so patient to all this hypocrisy while maintaining his eloquence at the same time. Even the middle class discussion came out of Shehzad trying to corner him publicly which was just based on a private group discussion. Shehzad you're doing a good job but sorry to say you've always been negative & the first time I witnessed this is when you blamed Tabish Hashmi for looting some amount of money from you in the QWS show ... remember? You have this habit of bringing up personal issues on live shows which obviously can always be sorted offline.
Here's the link to that show: ruclips.net/video/NoT1QksK6Pw/видео.html ( Skip to 1:02:00)
New follower here and I must say, this podcast managed to keep me engaged throughout. It was refreshing to see raw, honest and productive conversations like these, it’s incredibly brave to have difficult conversations where both parties manage to see their own vices and hold each other accountable.
Yaar your questions are getting very mature , precise and relavant recently. Good work
Love the civilised manner in which the two young men talk about their differences without hiding their biases. I like it. To me positions either one takes on different issues including with respect to each other is not important. What is more important is their honesty, openness, civility and respecting each others views. Wish Pakistanis could take the tight message from this discussion.
I'm halfway of this podcast and I can't stop myself writting down some thoughts here. First of all I am a huge fan of Shehzad's podcasts. He's having conversations, nobody is having!! Having that said, this podcast has something, it is so so so real. So raw! I do not know much about Muzamil, so many of the background stories I had no idea about. Still, you could perfectly see on the first hour his need of defending himself. Like I felt kind of pity for him, even a little anbnoyed where he wasn't ready to assume some facts... Later, how bravely Shehzad put out some "personal" attacks to him and I was about to cry. This felt so real, so humaningly true. Finally a podcast that make us see how we humans are, full of flwas, full of doubts, full of 'feelings'. I love how this shows that we must sit down and talk peacefully, even when we complain, do it right, listen to each other. And right now I'm where Muzamil starts to cry. I had to stop to write this down before it changes my perspective at the end of the podcast. This converstation has touched me differently Shehzad. You're doing such great job MashAllah! Hope to sit down someday talking about everything in your podcast, Regards xxxxxxxx
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Other comments will let you know regarding the awesomeness of this podcast. However, as someone who has watched loads of Muzamil's podcasts, I also got emotional from 1:43:05 to 1:44:07. Considering the fact that he knows the power of words and uses it effectively, that moment was very surprising for me.
Cheer up lad! All of us make mistakes, but accepting them takes real courage.
Ooh shut up you become emotional
@@abdulrehmankhan4860 I really respect your opinion. Just an advice, your words really show your background and upbringing, so kindly use them wisely. May Allah bless you :)
you invited Muzamil yet you didn't even let him complete any of his arguments.
It's always wonderful to see two people with differing political opinions sitting together and talking things out. I was pleasantly surprised to see Muzammil agreeing with a lot of toxic things that PTI supporters do. It was also great to see him openly say that he doesn't agree with the views of bigots like Ali Mohammed. Clearly such conversations need to happen so we can see how much more we agree on rather than disagree. Thank you for always trying to do your best to heal the divide Shehzad! Your podcast continues to surprise and helps unlearn so much.
Halfway through this podcast I made up my mind to write mean about you and your podcast but then I decided to watch full lenght and man what a podcast it was. Loved it to bits. Kudos to both of you.
Uncomfortable conversation for Muzamil for sure but he kept along with the conversation so that was great! Shehzad didnt show any mercy and Muzamil was lost for words on a number occasions. I guess Muzamil had the answer but couldnt really construct them as bouncers kept on coming!
1:43:35 It hurt me so much that good people go through this. It is part of life that make you more strong.
Yeah social media is really fucked up
YOU READ MY MIND.
The host is such a petty person
They both gonna remember this conversation for many years to come. And that's the beauty of having an open conversation. I do disagree with a few points made by Mr. Shehzad on personal instances, same as I disagree with Mr. Muzammil's view points about politics. But then again, this podcast wasn't about listeners as much it was about them. They sat, had long convo on and off camera, cried, laughed and try to learn through their mistakes. It's beautiful. More power your way ❤️
I am a fan of (a kind of) Muzammil.
Only because he knows what he is doing....he knows how to motivate ppl .... And honestly muzammil you spoke very well on this podcast. And they you cries for Hamna's pain....you took my heart away ....crying....brb 🥺
I'm surprised that sometimes the host is not even one percent ready to hear. 😅😂
Kudos to both of you for having this conversation.
Shehzad, I have been watching your podcasts since the last one year and this today has won my heart. I love you for the bravery with which you confronted Muzammil. I admire you for your honesty and not trying to become a people pleaser just because they're on your podcast.
Muzammil is doing great work too, i like his podcasts too.
But with your podcasts, I as a Pakistani feel more connected and heard because you really ask the most important, relevant and difficult questions.
i have learned how to ask good questions from you.
thank you and more power to you!!💕
I believe that discussing private chats in a public show and making the other guy apologize to you in front of the entire world is unprofessional.
This is nothing but a senseless argument... Host keep interrupting guest.. closing this video... Its nuisance... Please keep integrity of podcast.. it is like a tv debate that we hate and come to RUclips for some meaningful discussion.. very disappointed
Cant wait to put the kids to bed an be glued to this episode!!
I will come here everyday to comment that shahzad sir needs to learn ..how to listen to another's point of view and not to interrupt when someone is trying to explain
why would shehzad discuss something on the public forum that muzammil discussed in private?
@@ThePakistanExperience thanks for the update
Both of them are being real to the core … an epic podcast
Its wonderful that there’s a conversation between the two sides. A humane one. Great stuff Shehzad. Keep these coming. Hats off to Muzammil that he came to the podcast and had this difficult conversation.
Shehzaad says if someone throws kichad at you and you do the same you’re same as them. What is he doing in this podcast? What a hypocrite..
If I had a conversation with my viva teacher... this would be the entire show
hahahahahahahahahaha , thanks for making me laugh in a time of stress
Having watched this podcast, I convinced that Musamil was way way more open minded and pragmatist who was having a policy oriented approach than Shahzad bhai who was more into the political rhetoric and historical debate on war between politicians and establishment than practical solution to the various problems faced by the country.
Lol
Muzamil created multiple fallacies.. and salute to shehzad not letting him get away with bullshit
@@holidayplatform2570 For me both are biased as Shehzad is Noon league supporter and Muzamil is PTI supporter.Both are needed to disaffiliate themselves from political parties.
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He is not affiliated In any way with N league...
How can you be so sure he is patwari ..
2:17:46 How could Shaukat Tereen possibly have acted on his own? If he acted on his own, why was he not given a show-cause notice by PTI? Afterward, PTI leadership even came out in his defense. Muzammil accepts IK tried to crash the economy by fixing fuel prices but chose not to accept that Shaukat Tareen acted on IK's will when he tried to sabotage the IMF deal. Muzamil Bhai really needs a detox from PTI propaganda.
It's extremely cheap of shehzad ghias to bring up a text sent in a 'private group chat' and embarass a man in 'public'. Coming from someone who's not a frequent viewer of any of their podcast.
I like the conversation except Syed's insistence on separating himself from PTI's rhetoric. He is using an elitist framing, blaming every bad argument made in the favor of pti on "aam aadmi" and posturing as the "parha likha" spokesperson.
Edit: I wrote that after watching the first 30 minutes. By halfway through the podcast, his mask of respectability completely shatters. Thank you Shehzad for holding his feet to the fire.
The Podcaster is constantly cutting off the guest.
It takes patience to listen to another. Hopefully, he would work on this area. Otherwise, an informative podcast.
Didn't expect this to drop today! Looking forward to it!
@@ThePakistanExperience better release quality podcasts like these over the weekend (just a suggestion)
@46:41 shehzad says why are you relying on ppl's comments ...
n he himself relied on Muzammil's comment... n created a viral scene in podcast ! 👏 wow 👏
Also loved learning more about Muzammil. Had no idea about the social media interaction between you two. Almost feeling regretful about asking you when this is coming out at Napa on Sunday. I might have probably come across as a troll but I meant what I said, I'm an avid listener and a huge fan of you in general. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. It is a privilege to be able to sit in a room with you. Metaphorically, at least.
Not sure why folks are trolling Shahzad. He was very fair. I think folks just don't like his IK / PTI views. Muzammil seems like he is on IK payroll.
Because he’s making videos asking his followers to attack me
@@ThePakistanExperience it it quite clear that his supporters are trolling you. You should post those videos. They are trying to muzzle you
You're so good at confrontations Shahzad. I find them scary!😭
No way😂😂
@@ThePakistanExperience we want that therapy too
Muzamil bhai ki respect aor barh gyi meri nazar mein. He is gem of a person ❤️
I feel bad for muzzamil to come to this show, he is bigger than this and shouldn't come to this cheap podcast where they don't respect the guests.
The whole podcast is showing that shehzad wants his badla and attacking muzammil unnecessarily and uski sun bhi nahi raha. Bhai podcast se pehle resolve karlete personal msgs, usko sab ke saamne zeel karna tha bas. Really bad for shehzad acting like immature.
Thought process of syed muzzamil is so pure, deligent and mature.
Amazing podcast.
I didn't even seen any of your or Muzamil videos before that... I come here to watch the whole story after watching short clips on social media... One thing is very very clear to me after watching it that you don't want a conversation.... During whole podcast you were just trying to provoke him and trying your very best to make him look stupid... I'm sorry to say but I shouldn't have watched it
Shehzad, the way you confronted Muzammil was incredible! A mix of yorkers and bouncers that put him on the back foot. I hope he refrains from doing the things he had done previously, although highly doubt it
Seems like Muzamil is trying to learn. He is a bright person. We all have believed in things we are ashamed of now. Let people heal , let them learn and grow. Let’s not put them down so they feel scared to change. Good to hear his side. Hope he brings more guests who challenge his beliefs.
If at the end you say I'll still vote the same party then you've your mind made up for not liking things in a rational way and admitting the horse you bet on turned out to be sick
Great Analysis 💯👍🏻
It seems Ghias is just Over grilling to get content out of muzammil and it feels like i am watching expose video that's really disrespectful for a guest. Showing private comments, targeting and getting offended by someone's views and making assumptions out is not good. If u have different opinion then gud for u. This whole fuss about comments and private group could have been discussed off camera
His whole PTI bubble was countered with facts, and he was royally screwed. Just knowing English doesn't make anyone an intellectual.
This is not a professional podcast .. it’s like calling someone and targeting him out of no where on old stories… just because you have a platform to talk it doesn’t mean you will attack your guest crazyily…
You are bullying targeting on personal issues.. too bad.
Shahzad is a savage. I love both of you and I love how this conversation went on the heated track and you handled it nicely. No one is perfect. One suggestion, please bring Waqar Zaqa on your podcast.
Lora savage. Shahzad needs to stop being bitter
@@realslimshady4594 Bitter about what? False statements and accusations trust Muzammil had to apologise for?
It was literally a masterclass in confronting false allegations. Super impressed by Shahzad.
No please don’t bring waqar zaka ew
@@realslimshady4594 atleast he was "bitter" on his own behalf, you fanboys are mad on someone else's behalf even though the dude himself admitted the discourse between the two will only get better after this and it will.
Could clearly see flaws in how the guest paints narrative but that's how discourse works. U listen as well. Loved it!
1:22:04 He is not doing podcast. He is just pursuing some personal agenda.
Muzamil has this awesome ability to stick to the message.. also handled the hosts inability to do the same..walked away holding his own
when an unstopable force meets an immovable object 😎
Chessbase Indian fan spotted 😂🔥
Stupid muzammil can't even differentiate between the left and liberals
People like you are the reason god created middle finger.
Shehzad keeps being successful, famous, kind, beautiful and rich and No jobless troll could ever change that. Jealousy is a disease. Get well soon
@@ThePakistanExperience Ofc, Muzamil bhai is unstoppable force😃
Ghandu motay tuje baat bhee karni ati
Bsdk
Kheta who is who
Loray tu samajhta kia hy apnay app ku gandi awaz waly
Imran Khan and PTI needs to FACE the fact that if they want to gain LEGITIMATE support they NEED to COME on THE PAKISTAN EXPERIENCE! ❤
Bigger crossover than eng mohammad ali mirza & tariq masood 😂😂😂 jk jk
It is less of a podcast and more of a scrutiny of Muzamil Hasan Zaidi.
1:43:10 Muzammil stay strong don't show your weak side to others ALLAH is with you, i Love you so much stay strong buddy ❤
Shehzad schooling Muzamil on political ideologies is the best part. This is the reality of our society where you jump into discussions that you don't have any knowledge of, and using English terminologies has been the best tactic for any argument.
For me both are biased.
İt was simply bullshit act by the host to settle personal scores at public/ online forum. These forums are for intellectual discussion but one can expect any nonsense from Mr Shahzad. Simply bizarre......... How can he compare his biased and stupid content with an intellectual content of Mr Muzzamil. That's why Shahzad is just 1/10 of audience in comparison to Muzzamil. I think Shahzad has blew that frustration out ;)
As someone who didn't know about either of these gentlemen before watching this, I must say I would give credit to both the host and the guest for having a candid conversation. My two cents: if you've already got them cornered, no need to beat them over the head with it. I understand that's not everyone's personal style, but in my view, the host would've come out looking more grounded after a solid confrontation without continuing to buckle down and hammer the other person once your point is made. I'm intrigued to see what else comes up on this channel.
Never been a Muzamil fan before this podcast. A sane man and quite a reasonable person as well. Shehzad’s confrontation part was a lil petty, itna b personal nai tha wo comment, but damn he really was hurt. Kudos to Muzamil for his answers. And yeah Shehzad’s take on PTI seems very biased, as if there’s nothing okay about that party when compared to others, which is weird.
I agree too.. in the garb of criticism .. Shahbaz displays a very bitter biasness against PTI.
Great podcast, honest and raw, but with lots of empathy. You said that you disagree with a few things at a fundamental level with Dr. Taimur Rahman, and i think a podcast where you guys talk about your disagreements would be a good one
I do not agree with your views shehzad despite of that if you have invited someone be a little respectful, be mature. Muzzamil is being mature he apologised many times but again and again you are coming back to those points. This podcast would have been alot better, this podcast was supposed to discuss random things that are done in many other podcasts. Your whole podcast was going amazing I was actually enjoying it but after some time I felt that you were taking revenge of something ie, personal grudges.
Maybe this was not the best occasion to confront a guest about some remarks ( albeit of personal nature ) he has made in the past and try to embarrass him in a Podcast that ten of thousands of people would ultimately watch. Also, I felt at many points, Shehzad was not allowing the guest to talk and cutting him off in the middle. Could have perhaps adopted a more polite approach.
my two favorite podcast creators in one frame love it please make part 2🌹🖤
I am 33 years old and never visit outside Pakistan and this man went to US at 14 years old and calling himself middle class 🤣 what a joke
Shahzad Ghais invited him, just to grill him for calling him for his own personal grudge.
Probably jealous of Muzamils success & wanted to make money while doing it 😜.
Although very unprofessional behavior of Shahzad.
@Muzzamil bhai... hats off❤️❤️❤️
Love you always 💞 such a humble person, how difficult for you to face such an arrogant opponent but you have done great,kudos to you! Shezad ghias will remember his this behavior and one day he'll apologize you publicly...✅
Such an intense podcast! I commend both of you. Great stuff.