This is very true, I have two sons who I love more than anything. It can be terrifying at times looking at the world they will eventually go out into. The bravest and most loving thing I will ever do, is let them go out into the world and make a life for themselves. Being a great mother is being heroic.
Yes. The bravest thing you or any mother could ever do, let them go, with parameters while they are still with you, and can fail in a way that prepares them to do it on their own. Let them practice failure while you still can help them work out their problems, learn how to fail, learn how to succeed, before they have to it on their own. Bravest.
I always say this to myself, the role of a mum is to teach her kids to open their wings and fly away. It is the most cruel and hard job in the world, and yet worth every minute of it.
I just turned 30 this September. I was recently doing a bit of a life re-evaluation. And I have realized that I actually want a family. Not only that, but for the first time in my life I thought I would actually enjoy being a mom. It’s a beautiful revelation, you know.
Aw I am so happy for you :). I feel the same way and I am currently 25. When I was 20 I was sure I didn’t want kids, at least anytime soon, but some things happened, and I realized I wanted to be a mother more than anything in the world. I am so excited to be a mother :).
I turned 30 this year and had my daughter when I was 28. Just the year or so before that I was sold on the idea that I didn’t want children for a long time, or ever. I was terrified when I became pregnant because I didn’t think I had it in me to be a mother, and a great one at that. She’s now 2 and the responsibility of raising the next generation is something that I’ve learned to take pride in. It truly is a beautiful revelation and I wish you all the best 🤍
Giving and devoting your life to something so beautiful is amazing. I love my baby, I'm so glad that I chose to do this and that I chose to do this with a selfless instead of selfish mentality. I am so fulfilled and realizing my purpose and journey in life.
Gave birth to my first last October, just gave birth to my 2nd this past Thursday. Children are a blessing and that child will bring so much joy into your life. There are times that will be tough, especially in the beginning as newborns can be very finicky. But it’s a privilege to watch someone grow and develop and they grow so rapidly within the first year. Treasure every moment - even those moments that are tough. It is over in a flash. Good luck mama and I pray you and your baby have a safe delivery!
Congratulations ❤ I just had my first child, a son, this past March. Some days are tough, but more often you're reminded at what a gift it all is. I pray you have a safe delivery 🙏
Congratulations 🌸 my eldest is a boy and he is just the sweetest and funniest. Going off to uni next year and while it freaks me out to let him go I know the best thing I can do is support him and help him forge his own life.
My mom is the person I love most in this world.. when I moved off to Florida in 98 my dad told me if things didn’t work out I could always come home.. THAT GAVE ME SO MUCH COMFORT, why I could conquer anything now cuz I know I can come home.. and I did..
I love being a mother. I have to unlearn a lot of the western worlds way of motherhood bc it’s so distracted. Your always thinking of what you could, should, would have done. There are sooooo many distractions. But I am releasing myself from social media and other social constructs that steal from my motherhood. I’ll get it right. ❤
I don't even have kids yet but I purged myself of the social media narratives and understood that everything it takes to be a mother is in me and I can do it. So I love your courage.
Yes!! This!! I love being a mom, most fulfilling decision I ever made in my life. I walked away from the social media way of living life a long time ago - and my mental health has never been better. When you focus on motherhood in a child centered and healthy way it's so fulfilling! It's only a struggle if you spend your time worrying about yourself all day. Your child is not an accessory, they are a beautiful and wonderful human being who needs your wisdome love and attention.
and admitting to the fact that they too have taught US so very much in return❤️ we can pick our battles, but we can most certainly capitalize on the experience and process that are beautiful battles. Exactly why communicating and being humble is so important, right.
Among the many, many profound things that Dr. P. has said, "and then perhaps he will live in a way that will justify that" is one of the greatest. And as for having kids, well, many years ago I was Aide-de-Camp to the commander of the Canadian Army, a very high-pressure job, and my wife of two years and I hadn't yet decided where to go on the kids front. I was sitting down talking to the ADC for the Chief of the Defence Staff, an even tougher job. I learned that he had five children, and I asked him how he could possibly manage it, and he said, "You can always find an excuse for not having kids. What's yours?" Talk about your 'brain reset' moments. 28 years later my kids are grown, happy, and successful, and I can't wait to have grandkids to spoil. Children are life itself. You can always find an excuse to not live. What's yours?
I love his statement about metaphors and whether it’s clear that you come up with them or they run you. Big reason why I deactivated Facebook. People love posting quotes all the time without any insight into their own behaviours.
A mother is the truest friend we have, when trials heavy and sudden fall upon us; when adversity takes the place of prosperity; when friends desert us; when trouble thickens around us, still will she cling to us, and endeavor by her kind precepts and counsels to dissipate the clouds of darkness, and cause peace to return to our hearts...
Single mother of one and both of my brothers intercede as father figures for my little one, so does my uncle. I do what I can, I even go without buying me anything new just so my little one knows and understands, as a parent you do what you must, not what you want all the time. It truly takes a village but as the parent I choose what village and I chose family and some close friends - that have background checks including family grandparents not excluded. I laugh at that but I'm too serious as well.
Thank you for your work, Dr. Peterson. Listening to this, and many other lectures and interviews from your career, have helped me prepare for having a kid. And now I'm sitting here with my infant son. I definitely still have a lot to learn. But I'm a lot less anxious as a mom than I thought I could be.
I lost her when I am 8 years old. Your life will never be same again. I really hate my childhood. Just want to get Job from that moment. I had more begin to be very hard at that age. Many years passage in series mode. If someons want to ghost me I ghost them very easily as from childhood I used to think if I can live without her who the F is she/he . Really don't know how I become like that.Nobody is going to help you understanding your emotion like her and go against your dad for your right.
The only person who can love you more then a truly godly mother is Jesus Christ. He and the power he provided through his atonement is able to your life now. You will be able to see your mom again also, because if Him.
I can tell you what the role of a mother is NOT. It's NOT to give your child to other people to raise. It's NOT to always be working or sleeping instead of parenting. If you're going to be a parent, BE A PARENT.
Agreed. I am a stay at home wife and plan to stay home with our future children. Why would we outsource childcare to a low paid worker instead of raising our own children? Our brother in law basically has his mom raising their baby and they’re in their 30s (we’re in our 20s). It’s sad.
We’ve got to stop having these conversations as if all women are the same. There are billions of UNIQUE women in this world - each with different personalities, strengths and weaknesses - and they will all make UNIQUE mothers. There is no one way to be a mother. Is your child safe, provided for and reasonably happy/well adjusted? Then congratulations - you’ve done your job. If they’re not, are you trying your best to get them there? If so, you’re doing your job. Did you find a way to do this while respecting your own individual needs? If so, kudos to you. Blaming mothers for not all being the same is like blaming students for not having A+ skills in every single subject at school. Motherhood is a multi-faceted thing - everyone has strengths - use them, and get help for your weak points without feeling shamed.
There is one way to be a good mother though, which he clearly stated. Sacrifice your children to the world. If you don't do this voluntarily you are a devouring parent. My own mother still refuses at times to make this sacrifice which is why we haven't spoken in 2 years. Western mothers are at their laziest and worst in the history of humanity. They let the state and ipads raise their babies and here you are asking to spare their feelings. You ask for people not to shame mothers but no-one is exempted from shame in this life, and those sensitive to shame actually need it most. No shit mothers are unique, but they also have a damn responsibility. Seeing as my mother routinely fails at hers it's only prudent I remind others mom's if the consequences. If you make the same mistake you either lose your son becoming a man or you lose any meaningful relationship with your son. I chose the latter.
@@InsanitysApex I literally said a pre-condition to being a good mother is having a well adjusted kid (or being able to say you did your best to get them there). Mothers who are the barriers to their kids being well adjusted functional individuals clearly don’t fit that criteria. But if you think that western mothers are the biggest failure in that regard, I disagree. In my experience western parents are more like to push their kids into the world (sometimes it’s even too much IMO). The mama’s boy phenomenon is far more prevalent in non western families in my experience.
@@UnAnonKnown you originally said there "is no one way to be a mother". After I refuted that statement you claim every good mother raises a "well adjusted' child. Make up your mind woman. Flipping under pressure doesn't make you right. I'm sure many would agree that Western moms are at an all time low for motherhood. I never said that's entirely their fault, it's a symptom of a broken system. The modern western world is the fattest, greediest, most corrupt,and most entitled its ever been. Raising a child "well adjusted" to 24 hour news, social media spam, and race war baiting isn't a good thing. "Well adjusted" can mean many things like being adjusted to a broken environment or it can mean just plain average. In a world with narcissism on the rise a little criticism and analysis of mothers can go a long way; don't take it personally.
Well to be fair basic needs and happiness are the bare minimum of parenting. The main goal should be to bring them up with good character and good morals.
A Feminist, in her 50’s, who has said “I don’t want to being children into the world” ie. Chelsea Handler etc and you have nothing more then a woman who is unhappy, who regrets their choice! Very sad indeed!
Matt isn't even able to answer it himself. As soon as you try to dig for some details, there is a million exceptions, and some who can't even be classified properly.
9:00 is actually norse. is Odin hanging on the tree yggdrasil. i actually would love for Jordan Peterson to read/talk about the 'book of runes' by 'ralph blum'. i think has lots of overlapping in his teachings and strong archetypes. also is related somehow with Jung. anyway all those cultures have influences from each other. and christianity has lots of influences from many others.
That's not my mom, thank God. But it is indeed my mother in law. Damn her to the hottest level of hell for what she has put my poor wife through. And bless my wife for finally getting the right counseling (after years of trying, for the record) to help her put her experience in the proper perspective and begin to truly heal - in her forties.
Momen are the one who give birth to hildren, and then need to go back to work almost right away. They lose out on a career, on sleep, on health, on time and money. The solution? Having fathers who actually do half, so women don't have to to 150% and then be emotiinally exhausted and unable to be good mothers
You can look at life through a lens that says that EVERYTHING that occurs to a person is the fault of their mother for having birthed them into the world in the first place. The father is next guilty and is less guilty because he has less choice over the birth of the child. Choosing to have a child is risking that the child goes to hell or lives a hellish life, and it is evil to do that to someone when you are unable to guarantee a life worth living. This view of life pops up from time to time throughout history in near every culture and religious system. I think it coincides in times of famine. It is quickly erased as these beliefs tend not to be passed down in family lineages and end themselves.
i’m literally missing all of them and losing my mind i feel alone and scared which is why i’m probably writing this comment to strangers that no one will probably even see… :/
Deuteronomy 31:6 “Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.”
Motherhood should be a natural side effect of a good life, not the main goal or purpose. And if you only apply the needs of successful women as the standard for argument, you're missing the point as to why most women are having less children overall. Most are financial insecure. Quality life is more valuable than quantity of life to the impiverished so unless income increases for the masses, this will continue to be a problem.
I agree. The right seems more interested in forcing women to obey their desires than providing for the family structure to exist healthily through family positive policies.
@@cypressbutane4575 you're either wrong or you're lying.. Obey or don't obey your desires, we don't care.. we just don't want you to kill a baby you chose to create as a result of you not being able to control your desires..
@@cjperry2731 the GOP has blocked family tax credits consistently the past number of years and also prevented measures to stop child poverty... but they want to force women to give birth when they are raped - hardly 'choosing to create life as a result of not being able to control one's desires', so, I believe overturning Roe was a mistake as that decision had within it measures for restricting abortions based on protecting the fetus as special consideration for recognition that it was a growing human life... but for some reason it wasn't good enough for the right
Who cares if the thought is original? Jordan himself said in a different context that “whatever most people do is the right thing to do”. While that’s obviously an appeal to popularity, according to Jordan’s own language, if 20 out of 30 people wonder if they should bring a child into this world, maybe they’re on to something.
5:15 The definition of agreeable is too agreeable for your own good? That doesn't seem balanced. Sounds like it means agreeableness is innately unhealthy. Surely there's a place for it.
Yeah I love what you said about your surprise by the people that light up when they see a baby. And it's so crazy that our world is getting so evil where people are running over mothers and babies in their cars on purpose in america!
"Why should I bring a baby into this terrible world?" Because, it is better to live and die than to have never have lived at all. It is better to choose life.
I came here looking for this comment. He also drove me crazy when he says a certain fairy tale is his favorite Disney movie but then goes on to mix up Beauty and the Beast with Sleeping Beauty. I forget which he meant now but he tells the story and it's totally a different one than he just said the name of. 🤦♀️
Day 41 of VERY highly recommending that you read the manga "Berserk" by Kentaro Muira. It is one of the greatest stories ever written, and I think you would greatly enjoy it.
"You offer your son to be destroyed by the world" is a warped catholic tinged way of viewing things. How does that line up with his making a man (or woman) stuff? It would make more sense if she sacrificed herself. Like any healthy mother or father would.
“It’s an act of supreme courage, on her part. She knows what’s coming.” I highly doubt the latter half of that sentence. Most people have kids on autopilot. And therefore, I also highly doubt the first half of the sentence.
The 'pregnant women are like public property' really hasn''t aged well with the current conservative politics. But it's a nice thought in a society where people respect each other.
There are few videos in which Jordan was more wrong than this one - the number of mental backflips in here deserves an Olympic medal. And yet, this is the clip he chose to upload yet again. Well, in Jordan’s own words, “good luck with that”. Today’s age of information allows us, better than ever, to see the world as it really is. Unless a blackout knocks out the internet, which would be the burning of the library of Alexandria on steroids, it’s impossible to put that genie back into the bottle.
@@bethany8734 I was relying on the intelligence of Peterson’s viewers to be high enough to notice the faulty logic he is applying here. If you paid attention, I wouldn’t even need to spell out this case, since in this video, Jordan acknowledges plenty of arguments against having children himself - and then fails to refute them. Jordan himself called it “indisputable” that life is suffering. Added to that, it’s always imposed on someone else without their consent. To frame that as “the sacrifice of the mother”, as if she were the one who could consent to this suffering, when the one affected is her child (all the way to her son carrying the literal cross, in Jesus’s example), requires a wilful blindness to the basic logic of what the term “consent” even means.
@@cosmicprison9819 you can’t have joy without sorrow. If life was easy, there’d be no progress. Nothing to achieve, no one would grow, no one would feel accomplishment and no one would truly be happy. It’s when life gets hard, but you make it through, when you can truly understand the joy of life. That’s what Jordan is talking about
@@flipperdip4009 All of this is backwards. There is only a need for joy because there is sorrow - a lot of pleasures are relief pleasures. Jordan himself admits that people do not care all that much about being “happy” in the sense of “obtaining pleasure”, but in the sense of “avoiding suffering”. There is also only a need for achievement and progress in order to make the future less bad than it is today. If you create someone, you are the cause of all the needs, physiological and psychological, that they are ever going to experience. There simply is no way around it. Even if you do your best to then keep those needs fulfilled (then you’re making them dependent on you), or, which is the better option, teach them to take care of their needs themselves - all of that is still just a drop on a hot stone. Sentient beings are bottomless pits of limitless need. If you made somebody a drug addict and then made sure they will be able to get a consistent supply of drugs to keep their addiction satiated, would you consider that a moral thing to do? 🤔
Thank you for saying that Sir. I have watched couple of his youtube vids and he seems to be a guy with a tragic life. Pity that he is trying to to pass his distorted views on other people. Yes, life ends up with death. If you are atheist like me- this is a full stop. And we suffer and get sick etc. But gosh, the ride is so much worth it! And this is the role of the mother and father. Show the child how to ride the bicycle with joy and without running over other people.
If Mary is the model mother, that means the Son is God and the Son is also the Father... this is a diminishing view of actual human women in some sense isn't it?
@@cjperry2731 I'm saying Peterson denigrates the effects of the unbidden Oedipal desires but then posits a situation where the Father is the Son and impregnates the mother, gives birth to himself.. etc... it is hardly a comprehensible differential view psychologically...
As per usual, the critiquing but not giving advice. No in-depth on why the woman should/shouldn't have a kid, rips her generalizations, and goes on to discuss the Bible is if it's the factual ideal example. That said, I get who his target audience is and why they love him (he justifies their pre 1960's viewpoints).
Dr Jordan .. I’ve had this conversation w u a few times.. is this old?? It’s about saying Gods name in vain.. I love u to death but u are the most logical person in the world, and u believe in the Bible.. hell you’re talking about mother Mary right now.. so why would u risk burning in hell for eternity .. hey it’s not me, u see God and I have a deal, he protects me and I protect him,.
Hi I assume you are catholic . I am too . Don’t worry about it okay. God is our father as in our dad . You cannot call his name in vain unless you blaspheme . Chill . Important to discuss Him as much as possible
@@kanttouchthis3716 no im not Catholic but 2 channels I watch are.. church militant and Dr marshall Taylor.. it bothers his wife too.. Plus him being a psychiatrist might confuse some people in his class when he says it because he does believe in God and you know psychiatrist or psychologists delve into the of mind..so people can say he’s wanting to go to hell
@@hollywiley5668 church militant sounds scary lol yeah I don’t agree with everything Jordan says . I don’t agree with everything the Catholic Church says just as I don’t agree with everything anyone even my mum says lol but yes Christianity stresses though shall not call God’s name in vain but I don’t think he has in this respect . I personally feel God is our Father and we should call on Him & talk about him as we would our parents
Wow. This guy wants to teach me the role of a mother. I know my role MUCH better then he does. And it is not to watch my child destroyed by nasty world. It seems like this guy lives in completely different world then me. I will show my child a world being joyful yet complex place it can contribute to. I will teach my kid to live the fullest until the ultimate end and enjoy the ride and help others do the same. And THIS is my role.
His point is that life IS suffering...because it will always have suffering mixed in. You will not be able to protect your child from the world, and in trying to do so you will destroy them paradoxically via smothering. Best instead to make them strong and wise enough to withstand the sufferings of life is the point. Lol, you really do not get the point, he advocates teaching and preparing for life rather than denying that life will ever find them. Duh, you protect them when very little, and you teach them how to survive life...but someday the battle is theirs, no longer yours. Don't be the consuming, oedipal mother he warns about. Let your children grow up and live when the time comes, that is the greatest gift you can give them when your female instinct is to cling to protectiveness and babying them. I am the mother of a 12yr old son and understand what he is saying about this gradual balance of letting them grow up.
The whole idea of academic discourse on this topic is not “to teach [you] the role of a mother”. Rather, it is a view, a way to look at things, a philosophy of sorts. It is not dogmatic. You are at liberty, of course, to define your personal views too. No one, Dr. Peterson in particular, tells you what to do.
@@cjperry2731 1) It's not always a choice 2) If a woman doesn't have the choice to care or not care for her child then how can she love? Does that not deny free will as given by God?
@@cypressbutane4575 1- Literally 99.9% of the time it is a choice.. 2- Being pregnant and giving birth doesn't automatically kill the mother, and not the purpose of pregnancy.. The purpose of an abortion IS to kill the baby..
@@joeday4293 if you force a woman to give birth to a child she doesn't want - and has no intention to care about - is that you image of 'the role of motherhood'? I'd rather my mother kill me in the womb than birth me into the world unwanted and forced into it
“You actually don’t grow up until someone else is more important than you” = Truth
Amen!
Great logic. Create someone’s needs first, and then teach them to ignore their own needs, so that they can create someone else with new needs. 🤦♂️
Love this!
This is very true, I have two sons who I love more than anything. It can be terrifying at times looking at the world they will eventually go out into. The bravest and most loving thing I will ever do, is let them go out into the world and make a life for themselves. Being a great mother is being heroic.
Yes. The bravest thing you or any mother could ever do, let them go, with parameters while they are still with you, and can fail in a way that prepares them to do it on their own. Let them practice failure while you still can help them work out their problems, learn how to fail, learn how to succeed, before they have to it on their own. Bravest.
I needed to see this, have two little son's and I can be a bit over protective.
I always say this to myself, the role of a mum is to teach her kids to open their wings and fly away. It is the most cruel and hard job in the world, and yet worth every minute of it.
I just turned 30 this September. I was recently doing a bit of a life re-evaluation. And I have realized that I actually want a family. Not only that, but for the first time in my life I thought I would actually enjoy being a mom. It’s a beautiful revelation, you know.
Aw I am so happy for you :). I feel the same way and I am currently 25. When I was 20 I was sure I didn’t want kids, at least anytime soon, but some things happened, and I realized I wanted to be a mother more than anything in the world. I am so excited to be a mother :).
I turned 30 this year and had my daughter when I was 28. Just the year or so before that I was sold on the idea that I didn’t want children for a long time, or ever. I was terrified when I became pregnant because I didn’t think I had it in me to be a mother, and a great one at that. She’s now 2 and the responsibility of raising the next generation is something that I’ve learned to take pride in. It truly is a beautiful revelation and I wish you all the best 🤍
Giving and devoting your life to something so beautiful is amazing. I love my baby, I'm so glad that I chose to do this and that I chose to do this with a selfless instead of selfish mentality. I am so fulfilled and realizing my purpose and journey in life.
I'm going to have a son any day now. My first child. This video was fascinating to listen to.
Gave birth to my first last October, just gave birth to my 2nd this past Thursday. Children are a blessing and that child will bring so much joy into your life. There are times that will be tough, especially in the beginning as newborns can be very finicky. But it’s a privilege to watch someone grow and develop and they grow so rapidly within the first year. Treasure every moment - even those moments that are tough. It is over in a flash. Good luck mama and I pray you and your baby have a safe delivery!
Congratulations ❤ I just had my first child, a son, this past March. Some days are tough, but more often you're reminded at what a gift it all is. I pray you have a safe delivery 🙏
Congratulations 🌸 my eldest is a boy and he is just the sweetest and funniest. Going off to uni next year and while it freaks me out to let him go I know the best thing I can do is support him and help him forge his own life.
Wishing you a beautiful and healthy birth :)
My mom is the person I love most in this world.. when I moved off to Florida in 98 my dad told me if things didn’t work out I could always come home.. THAT GAVE ME SO MUCH COMFORT, why I could conquer anything now cuz I know I can come home.. and I did..
I love being a mother. I have to unlearn a lot of the western worlds way of motherhood bc it’s so distracted. Your always thinking of what you could, should, would have done. There are sooooo many distractions. But I am releasing myself from social media and other social constructs that steal from my motherhood. I’ll get it right. ❤
I don't even have kids yet but I purged myself of the social media narratives and understood that everything it takes to be a mother is in me and I can do it.
So I love your courage.
Yes!! This!! I love being a mom, most fulfilling decision I ever made in my life. I walked away from the social media way of living life a long time ago - and my mental health has never been better. When you focus on motherhood in a child centered and healthy way it's so fulfilling! It's only a struggle if you spend your time worrying about yourself all day. Your child is not an accessory, they are a beautiful and wonderful human being who needs your wisdome love and attention.
There’s nothing more wonderful than bringing a child into the world, and giving them the help and knowledge they need to forge their own path.
and admitting to the fact that they too have taught US so very much in return❤️ we can pick our battles, but we can most certainly capitalize on the experience and process that are beautiful battles. Exactly why communicating and being humble is so important, right.
Among the many, many profound things that Dr. P. has said, "and then perhaps he will live in a way that will justify that" is one of the greatest. And as for having kids, well, many years ago I was Aide-de-Camp to the commander of the Canadian Army, a very high-pressure job, and my wife of two years and I hadn't yet decided where to go on the kids front. I was sitting down talking to the ADC for the Chief of the Defence Staff, an even tougher job. I learned that he had five children, and I asked him how he could possibly manage it, and he said, "You can always find an excuse for not having kids. What's yours?" Talk about your 'brain reset' moments. 28 years later my kids are grown, happy, and successful, and I can't wait to have grandkids to spoil. Children are life itself. You can always find an excuse to not live. What's yours?
I love his statement about metaphors and whether it’s clear that you come up with them or they run you. Big reason why I deactivated Facebook. People love posting quotes all the time without any insight into their own behaviours.
A mother is the truest friend we have, when trials heavy and sudden fall upon us; when adversity takes the place of prosperity; when friends desert us; when trouble thickens around us, still will she cling to us, and endeavor by her kind precepts and counsels to dissipate the clouds of darkness, and cause peace to return to our hearts...
i heard my sons uncle telling him moms are ride or die..its true
Having a one-year-old 3:50-4:00 made me cry within seconds, wow.
Single mother of one and both of my brothers intercede as father figures for my little one, so does my uncle. I do what I can, I even go without buying me anything new just so my little one knows and understands, as a parent you do what you must, not what you want all the time. It truly takes a village but as the parent I choose what village and I chose family and some close friends - that have background checks including family grandparents not excluded. I laugh at that but I'm too serious as well.
You’re doing everything right given your situation. Good for you!
God bless you
Thank you for your work, Dr. Peterson. Listening to this, and many other lectures and interviews from your career, have helped me prepare for having a kid. And now I'm sitting here with my infant son. I definitely still have a lot to learn. But I'm a lot less anxious as a mom than I thought I could be.
Jordan Peterson articulates this idea about women so well and he's not even a Biologist.
Yes indeed. 😉
I lost her when I am 8 years old. Your life will never be same again. I really hate my childhood. Just want to get Job from that moment. I had more begin to be very hard at that age. Many years passage in series mode. If someons want to ghost me I ghost them very easily as from childhood I used to think if I can live without her who the F is she/he . Really don't know how I become like that.Nobody is going to help you understanding your emotion like her and go against your dad for your right.
Much love brother
@@01mikiep God bless you brother.
I'm sorry. Life is hard. I can only imagine your pain.
God understand and loves you and will always be there for you
The only person who can love you more then a truly godly mother is Jesus Christ. He and the power he provided through his atonement is able to your life now. You will be able to see your mom again also, because if Him.
I can tell you what the role of a mother is NOT.
It's NOT to give your child to other people to raise.
It's NOT to always be working or sleeping instead of parenting.
If you're going to be a parent, BE A PARENT.
Agreed. I am a stay at home wife and plan to stay home with our future children. Why would we outsource childcare to a low paid worker instead of raising our own children? Our brother in law basically has his mom raising their baby and they’re in their 30s (we’re in our 20s). It’s sad.
@@kutie216 not everyone can afford to be stay at home parent
yes!!
@@Camie2030 You can. You just choose to live in an area where you are forced to work.
It takes a village to raise a child
We’ve got to stop having these conversations as if all women are the same. There are billions of UNIQUE women in this world - each with different personalities, strengths and weaknesses - and they will all make UNIQUE mothers. There is no one way to be a mother.
Is your child safe, provided for and reasonably happy/well adjusted? Then congratulations - you’ve done your job.
If they’re not, are you trying your best to get them there? If so, you’re doing your job.
Did you find a way to do this while respecting your own individual needs? If so, kudos to you.
Blaming mothers for not all being the same is like blaming students for not having A+ skills in every single subject at school. Motherhood is a multi-faceted thing - everyone has strengths - use them, and get help for your weak points without feeling shamed.
There is one way to be a good mother though, which he clearly stated. Sacrifice your children to the world. If you don't do this voluntarily you are a devouring parent.
My own mother still refuses at times to make this sacrifice which is why we haven't spoken in 2 years. Western mothers are at their laziest and worst in the history of humanity. They let the state and ipads raise their babies and here you are asking to spare their feelings. You ask for people not to shame mothers but no-one is exempted from shame in this life, and those sensitive to shame actually need it most. No shit mothers are unique, but they also have a damn responsibility. Seeing as my mother routinely fails at hers it's only prudent I remind others mom's if the consequences.
If you make the same mistake you either lose your son becoming a man or you lose any meaningful relationship with your son. I chose the latter.
Some of those women will not become mothers because they have no desire to be.
@@InsanitysApex I literally said a pre-condition to being a good mother is having a well adjusted kid (or being able to say you did your best to get them there).
Mothers who are the barriers to their kids being well adjusted functional individuals clearly don’t fit that criteria.
But if you think that western mothers are the biggest failure in that regard, I disagree. In my experience western parents are more like to push their kids into the world (sometimes it’s even too much IMO). The mama’s boy phenomenon is far more prevalent in non western families in my experience.
@@UnAnonKnown you originally said there "is no one way to be a mother". After I refuted that statement you claim every good mother raises a "well adjusted' child. Make up your mind woman. Flipping under pressure doesn't make you right.
I'm sure many would agree that Western moms are at an all time low for motherhood. I never said that's entirely their fault, it's a symptom of a broken system. The modern western world is the fattest, greediest, most corrupt,and most entitled its ever been. Raising a child "well adjusted" to 24 hour news, social media spam, and race war baiting isn't a good thing. "Well adjusted" can mean many things like being adjusted to a broken environment or it can mean just plain average.
In a world with narcissism on the rise a little criticism and analysis of mothers can go a long way; don't take it personally.
Well to be fair basic needs and happiness are the bare minimum of parenting. The main goal should be to bring them up with good character and good morals.
"That's the definition of agreeable, too agreeable for your own good" That's a brain soaking thought.
A Feminist, in her 50’s, who has said “I don’t want to being children into the world” ie. Chelsea Handler etc and you have nothing more then a woman who is unhappy, who regrets their choice! Very sad indeed!
The role of a mother is to answer the age old question : "what is a woman?"
Matt isn't even able to answer it himself. As soon as you try to dig for some details, there is a million exceptions, and some who can't even be classified properly.
Hey, you are good. Keep going
Watched your doc last night. It was amazing.❤
9:00 is actually norse. is Odin hanging on the tree yggdrasil.
i actually would love for Jordan Peterson to read/talk about the 'book of runes' by 'ralph blum'. i think has lots of overlapping in his teachings and strong archetypes. also is related somehow with Jung.
anyway all those cultures have influences from each other.
and christianity has lots of influences from many others.
he was talking about Odin not Zeus.
He needs to tackle the epidemic of narcissistic mothers
Exactly. How do children re-parent themselves when they have narcissistic mothers.
1000000%
That's not my mom, thank God. But it is indeed my mother in law. Damn her to the hottest level of hell for what she has put my poor wife through. And bless my wife for finally getting the right counseling (after years of trying, for the record) to help her put her experience in the proper perspective and begin to truly heal - in her forties.
Me and all of my girlfriends have narcissistic mothers. It’s so hard.
Momen are the one who give birth to hildren, and then need to go back to work almost right away. They lose out on a career, on sleep, on health, on time and money. The solution? Having fathers who actually do half, so women don't have to to 150% and then be emotiinally exhausted and unable to be good mothers
So want to be a mother but I’m single and have no clue how to find a guy that wants to be a father.
You can look at life through a lens that says that EVERYTHING that occurs to a person is the fault of their mother for having birthed them into the world in the first place. The father is next guilty and is less guilty because he has less choice over the birth of the child. Choosing to have a child is risking that the child goes to hell or lives a hellish life, and it is evil to do that to someone when you are unable to guarantee a life worth living.
This view of life pops up from time to time throughout history in near every culture and religious system. I think it coincides in times of famine. It is quickly erased as these beliefs tend not to be passed down in family lineages and end themselves.
i’m literally missing all of them and losing my mind i feel alone and scared which is why i’m probably writing this comment to strangers that no one will probably even see… :/
Deuteronomy 31:6
“Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.”
I see you, 😊. Agape.
Motherhood should be a natural side effect of a good life, not the main goal or purpose.
And if you only apply the needs of successful women as the standard for argument, you're missing the point as to why most women are having less children overall.
Most are financial insecure.
Quality life is more valuable than quantity of life to the impiverished so unless income increases for the masses, this will continue to be a problem.
I agree. The right seems more interested in forcing women to obey their desires than providing for the family structure to exist healthily through family positive policies.
@@cypressbutane4575 you're either wrong or you're lying..
Obey or don't obey your desires, we don't care.. we just don't want you to kill a baby you chose to create as a result of you not being able to control your desires..
@@cjperry2731 I'm a male, so factor that into your responses for future reference
@@cypressbutane4575 knowing you're a male, I'd still word it exactly as I did, lol..
@@cjperry2731 the GOP has blocked family tax credits consistently the past number of years and also prevented measures to stop child poverty... but they want to force women to give birth when they are raped - hardly 'choosing to create life as a result of not being able to control one's desires', so, I believe overturning Roe was a mistake as that decision had within it measures for restricting abortions based on protecting the fetus as special consideration for recognition that it was a growing human life... but for some reason it wasn't good enough for the right
Odin, not Zeus.
Pray to God to tame the expletives. Galatians 5:22,23.
Todays mother's role is about to be the best single father she can be.
your bitterness says so much about the poison you choose in life. good luck with where that attitude takes you tho 💗
@@MsQ275 what exactly is the difference between you and him?
How is your sarcastic, passive aggresaive reply any different or less poisonous?
@@MsQ275 Well, I figure my attitude lead me here and then I found you. So what tells you that?
Haha good one
Sad that it’s true
Who cares if the thought is original? Jordan himself said in a different context that “whatever most people do is the right thing to do”. While that’s obviously an appeal to popularity, according to Jordan’s own language, if 20 out of 30 people wonder if they should bring a child into this world, maybe they’re on to something.
5:15 The definition of agreeable is too agreeable for your own good? That doesn't seem balanced. Sounds like it means agreeableness is innately unhealthy. Surely there's a place for it.
He says "Zeus" when he means to say Oden.
Odin.
Odin*
2:40 didnt you say famine was on the way?
Yeah I love what you said about your surprise by the people that light up when they see a baby. And it's so crazy that our world is getting so evil where people are running over mothers and babies in their cars on purpose in america!
"Why should I bring a baby into this terrible world?" Because, it is better to live and die than to have never have lived at all. It is better to choose life.
It's not your decision
Eggs and sperm have no sense of awareness. They aren't suffering from not being fertilized and born.
Who else was screaming "ITS ODIN!!" At the screen before realizing that probably wasn't the point?
I came here looking for this comment. He also drove me crazy when he says a certain fairy tale is his favorite Disney movie but then goes on to mix up Beauty and the Beast with Sleeping Beauty. I forget which he meant now but he tells the story and it's totally a different one than he just said the name of. 🤦♀️
It's Odin who hangs on the tree. Norse.
Mother with her child is very good.
Day 41 of VERY highly recommending that you read the manga "Berserk" by Kentaro Muira. It is one of the greatest stories ever written, and I think you would greatly enjoy it.
Abandoned by father's, held together by mother's. You are we.
What happened to your video attacking women for not having babies in their 20s. Can’t find it, must be from your daughter who runs your company. Nice!
"You offer your son to be destroyed by the world" is a warped catholic tinged way of viewing things. How does that line up with his making a man (or woman) stuff? It would make more sense if she sacrificed herself. Like any healthy mother or father would.
It is not the mother who laid the groundwork it is the father. He asked the mother to help him. It was not her plan at all it was his
Dave Rubin should reconsider.
Look at those number, chances are this is suppressed on RUclips.
“It’s an act of supreme courage, on her part. She knows what’s coming.” I highly doubt the latter half of that sentence. Most people have kids on autopilot. And therefore, I also highly doubt the first half of the sentence.
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Is the most important job you will ever have is a parent
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How about allowing the next generation to be born? Why stop with your own self? Isn't that arrogance?
Because some of us don't care to create the next generation, and there is no sane reason to care.
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Ymp
Wow, this mocking of female voices…
Peterson is the great teacher of men to discount the female narratives in their lives and to assure them that their view is more valid always
No, it isn't. It's a person expressing their opinion. He isn't mocking anyone
What makes you worthy of a statue like that….. Jesus!
The 'pregnant women are like public property' really hasn''t aged well with the current conservative politics. But it's a nice thought in a society where people respect each other.
Well, youre the only one who has said that, sooo.. yeah 👍
so many posts make you look manic. hope you are okay ❤️🙏
@@MsQ275 I'll let you know if I start randomly crying
@@cypressbutane4575 don't let her know, let a THERAPIST or a doctor know..
@@cjperry2731 ❤️❤️❤️
Thoughts different than what Peterson wants - "that's not a thought" - JP. Wow, this is really deep.
Not understanding the point JP was making - "sarcastic this is not deep comment"..
@@cjperry2731 I believe I understood this video and the points he made.
@@cypressbutane4575 apparently not..
@@cjperry2731 ? whatever you say I guess ?
@@cypressbutane4575 sure.. we'll go with that..
Thank you for conceding 👍
There are few videos in which Jordan was more wrong than this one - the number of mental backflips in here deserves an Olympic medal. And yet, this is the clip he chose to upload yet again. Well, in Jordan’s own words, “good luck with that”.
Today’s age of information allows us, better than ever, to see the world as it really is. Unless a blackout knocks out the internet, which would be the burning of the library of Alexandria on steroids, it’s impossible to put that genie back into the bottle.
Lots of words and yet you couldn’t offer one counter argument.
@@bethany8734 I was relying on the intelligence of Peterson’s viewers to be high enough to notice the faulty logic he is applying here. If you paid attention, I wouldn’t even need to spell out this case, since in this video, Jordan acknowledges plenty of arguments against having children himself - and then fails to refute them. Jordan himself called it “indisputable” that life is suffering. Added to that, it’s always imposed on someone else without their consent. To frame that as “the sacrifice of the mother”, as if she were the one who could consent to this suffering, when the one affected is her child (all the way to her son carrying the literal cross, in Jesus’s example), requires a wilful blindness to the basic logic of what the term “consent” even means.
@@cosmicprison9819 you can’t have joy without sorrow. If life was easy, there’d be no progress. Nothing to achieve, no one would grow, no one would feel accomplishment and no one would truly be happy. It’s when life gets hard, but you make it through, when you can truly understand the joy of life. That’s what Jordan is talking about
@@flipperdip4009 All of this is backwards. There is only a need for joy because there is sorrow - a lot of pleasures are relief pleasures. Jordan himself admits that people do not care all that much about being “happy” in the sense of “obtaining pleasure”, but in the sense of “avoiding suffering”. There is also only a need for achievement and progress in order to make the future less bad than it is today.
If you create someone, you are the cause of all the needs, physiological and psychological, that they are ever going to experience. There simply is no way around it. Even if you do your best to then keep those needs fulfilled (then you’re making them dependent on you), or, which is the better option, teach them to take care of their needs themselves - all of that is still just a drop on a hot stone. Sentient beings are bottomless pits of limitless need.
If you made somebody a drug addict and then made sure they will be able to get a consistent supply of drugs to keep their addiction satiated, would you consider that a moral thing to do? 🤔
Total BS. "Offer you son to be destroyed by the world." Good grief. I pity Peterson for his distorted, dogmatic worldview.
Thank you for saying that Sir. I have watched couple of his youtube vids and he seems to be a guy with a tragic life. Pity that he is trying to to pass his distorted views on other people. Yes, life ends up with death. If you are atheist like me- this is a full stop. And we suffer and get sick etc. But gosh, the ride is so much worth it! And this is the role of the mother and father. Show the child how to ride the bicycle with joy and without running over other people.
@@katarzynaslifierz1464 Nicely put. Thanks.
If Mary is the model mother, that means the Son is God and the Son is also the Father... this is a diminishing view of actual human women in some sense isn't it?
Only if you don't actually think about it..
@@cjperry2731 Care to explain your comment or react to what I posited in a real way?
I just did.. accept it or don't, it's up to you, but I can't do your thinking for you..
@@cjperry2731 I'm saying Peterson denigrates the effects of the unbidden Oedipal desires but then posits a situation where the Father is the Son and impregnates the mother, gives birth to himself.. etc... it is hardly a comprehensible differential view psychologically...
@@cypressbutane4575 yeah, clearly you're only capable of the shallowest of thought..
As per usual, the critiquing but not giving advice. No in-depth on why the woman should/shouldn't have a kid, rips her generalizations, and goes on to discuss the Bible is if it's the factual ideal example. That said, I get who his target audience is and why they love him (he justifies their pre 1960's viewpoints).
Dr Jordan .. I’ve had this conversation w u a few times.. is this old?? It’s about saying Gods name in vain.. I love u to death but u are the most logical person in the world, and u believe in the Bible.. hell you’re talking about mother Mary right now.. so why would u risk burning in hell for eternity .. hey it’s not me, u see God and I have a deal, he protects me and I protect him,.
Hi I assume you are catholic . I am too . Don’t worry about it okay. God is our father as in our dad . You cannot call his name in vain unless you blaspheme . Chill . Important to discuss Him as much as possible
@@kanttouchthis3716 no im not Catholic but 2 channels I watch are.. church militant and Dr marshall Taylor..
it bothers his wife too.. Plus him being a psychiatrist might confuse some people in his class when he says it because he does believe in God and you know psychiatrist or psychologists delve into the of mind..so people can say he’s wanting to go to hell
@@hollywiley5668 church militant sounds scary lol yeah I don’t agree with everything Jordan says . I don’t agree with everything the Catholic Church says just as I don’t agree with everything anyone even my mum says lol but yes Christianity stresses though shall not call God’s name in vain but I don’t think he has in this respect . I personally feel God is our Father and we should call on Him & talk about him as we would our parents
Wow. This guy wants to teach me the role of a mother. I know my role MUCH better then he does. And it is not to watch my child destroyed by nasty world. It seems like this guy lives in completely different world then me. I will show my child a world being joyful yet complex place it can contribute to. I will teach my kid to live the fullest until the ultimate end and enjoy the ride and help others do the same. And THIS is my role.
Sheesh calm down woman
Lmao ok
@@mysticc6232 wow. your comment, so consistant and valid. Bet you are university profesor.
His point is that life IS suffering...because it will always have suffering mixed in. You will not be able to protect your child from the world, and in trying to do so you will destroy them paradoxically via smothering. Best instead to make them strong and wise enough to withstand the sufferings of life is the point. Lol, you really do not get the point, he advocates teaching and preparing for life rather than denying that life will ever find them. Duh, you protect them when very little, and you teach them how to survive life...but someday the battle is theirs, no longer yours. Don't be the consuming, oedipal mother he warns about. Let your children grow up and live when the time comes, that is the greatest gift you can give them when your female instinct is to cling to protectiveness and babying them. I am the mother of a 12yr old son and understand what he is saying about this gradual balance of letting them grow up.
The whole idea of academic discourse on this topic is not “to teach [you] the role of a mother”. Rather, it is a view, a way to look at things, a philosophy of sorts. It is not dogmatic. You are at liberty, of course, to define your personal views too. No one, Dr. Peterson in particular, tells you what to do.
he is kind of weird
To be a forced carrier of the man's child and bodily property of the state?
Don't choose to get pregnant..
@@cjperry2731 1) It's not always a choice 2) If a woman doesn't have the choice to care or not care for her child then how can she love? Does that not deny free will as given by God?
@@cypressbutane4575 1- Literally 99.9% of the time it is a choice..
2- Being pregnant and giving birth doesn't automatically kill the mother, and not the purpose of pregnancy..
The purpose of an abortion IS to kill the baby..
@@cypressbutane4575 1) It is a choice VASTLY more often than not. 2) Not even sure what you mean by this phrase.
@@joeday4293 if you force a woman to give birth to a child she doesn't want - and has no intention to care about - is that you image of 'the role of motherhood'? I'd rather my mother kill me in the womb than birth me into the world unwanted and forced into it