You could add a couple rails along the floor inside the oven so your cart rolls perfectly in the center everytime without having to worry about hitting the sides of the oven. Then you can load stuff in and out quicker and easier.
Not a bad idea, but it's also worth mentioning that I left the center section of my cart open on purpose. At the base, there's 3 sides, not 4. That allows me to roll items into my oven for storage when not in use.
Ive seen a lot of home built ovens, but my first thought is a stack of bricks with a fire underneath with a door on a hinge for temperature control..but maybe the curing process is super exact ?
The reason for smooth finish is one of three, or all: 1 - not enough powder on the part. 2- not long enough bake time. 3- bake times are rated at metal temp for specified time. So 20 minutes at 400 degrees really means the metal must be at 400 degrees for twenty minutes. Under baked finishes are always really slick looking, or textures do not texture as they should, or veined materials come out black. Get a had held infra red temp gumn, and check your metal temp before setting the timer. Also, I noticed you nid not seem to be getting enough product on the part when spraying. Slow down and let it build a little. Also, you vsn hest up the part before spraying. Thod helps build the coating a little faster. Have to be quick because thin metals cool rapidly. From a 35 year production powfer coating shop owner with 4 automated robotic lines, two manual lines, and a walk in shop where we did car frames, cycle frames, wheels, etc. The new gun looked like a grest deal for $500. Nice wrap. Vibrator or fluidizer for powder box?
Those are killer tips! You should make some vids! My family has a construction equipment company and we recondition our equipment like scissor lifts, booms, etc and we are contemplating buying a set up for the stripping and powder coating we usually outsource… buying the equipment would pay for itself in 2 years of recon sub work…
Thats huge - she said 🤣 I will be building a diy box using some rockwool board. Have to do some deck post and I dont want to do shackercan this time. Cheers
I believe I have the exact same knock off powder coating system. Its a Gema copy. Been using it for years and have learned a bunch. If your struggling, maybe We can compare notes.
Would not it have been better to make the Casters removable for when the wheels wear out? Btw, I'd love to hear more about the new Coating Gun Setup Hun.
The wheels are 100% metal and I think this rack will probably get rolled maybe 100 yards per year, so it's not going to see much rolling over the lifetime. I suppose I could always cut them off later and weld new ones on if needed, but honestly I really do think these will last forever. Might do something on the pc system later, but I need waaaay more experience with it before doing a video. The instructions are the worst Chinese Engrish I've ever seen, so it's like trying to build a playing card house in the dark.
I don't recommend this. You want to be able to attach your alligator clamp from the power coating machine to the cart and have it naturally ground through to the parts. Same reason you don't coat a welding table. You need that metal to metal contact.
Is there a reason (I’m sure that there is) why you just don’t spray the powder on the parts right inside the oven? With a proper ventilation system to remove excess powder (like a fan & filter) from the air would it be possible to spray the parts in the same place that you bake them?
For most parts I like to put it inside the oven, get it real hot, pull it out, and then spray the powder on it while it's hot. The hot part makes the powder stick to nooks and crannies much better and helps overcome the Faraday cage effect. If you shot the powder inside the oven, you'd also eventually powder coating everything inside the oven, which would be no bueno. Good question.
What is the lowest temp that you could program it down too? I know the Eastwood oven has a minimum °F of 200°F. Trying to find an oven to also use for curing regular paint. Thank you.
Been looking for a decent powder coating oven that wouldn't break the bank and I think I've found it. You've had it for 2 years now. Is it still performing the way you want it to?
So it's far better than the Eastwood system, but it's not perfect. The instructions are totally useless. I need to spend time experimenting with it and trying different settings, but I'm not sure if I'll bother or not. When you don't know what any of the buttons do, that makes it daunting.
I see you made this video almost a year ago. Is the oven still meeting your expectations? Im currently thinking of getting one to start my business with.
Funny you should ask. This morning I powder coat one of the chairs to my patio set. I also powder coat a sign I made with my cnc plasma to go outside my office door at work. It reads, "If you're soliciting, you better have donuts"
@@RedlineStands 😂 I like the sound of that sign. Well I guess I'll be going with them. They are actually kind of local to me and have a decent size oven that will actually fit where I'm starting out.
@@Go4BrokeOffroad Ah. Right. I have very little experience with it. Not enough at this time to speak on it. I can tell you this though. The instructions, wall plug, and ground clamp are traditional Chinese garbage quality.
TBH, I don't recall. I have no idea what size wire is correct for 70 amps. I went to the electric supply house and told them what I was doing, and they sold me the appropriate size for 70 amps.
@@RedlineStands I’m looking at getting a 4x4x6 and I don’t like the idea of losing all that heat when I open the giant door to check temps. Do you feel that you lose enough heat that an inspection/temp hatch would be beneficial? Or a quick open/close to temp it isn’t much ch to be concerned about? This is my biggest hang up on buying an oven so your thoughts are greatly appreciated. And thanks for your videos!!!
@@joe5417 Are we talking about doing this for a living, or for a hobby? If it's for a hobby, then who cares. So you open the door twice a week, let some heat out, and waste $3 of electricity. Big whoop. If it's for a living, then I suppose that efficiency matters a lot. Also, how far away does a infrared heat gun work? If you open a hatch, and the part is 3 ft away, does it work? If not, then the hatch is useless. I'd do that test first. I personally don't find that opening the door seems to affect much. I'm generally back to 400 degree within 5 minutes of opening and closing.
Been powder coating 20 years. Never had any issues with just opening the door and checking with temp gun. The powder coating industry is much like any other and sales people come up with ways to make more money by installation of gimmicky stuff like the inspection windows. It's not necessary at all. Good insulation. Good construction. Good heating elements and the circulation fan. That's all you need.
No idea. I asked my Chinese sourcing agent to source me a professional grade system from China that didn't cost $5,000 It's very powerful, but no idea of the brand, and the instructions look like they were written by a three-year-old.
Nice one!
Would love a breakdown of the Chinese powder system :-)
You could add a couple rails along the floor inside the oven so your cart rolls perfectly in the center everytime without having to worry about hitting the sides of the oven. Then you can load stuff in and out quicker and easier.
Not a bad idea, but it's also worth mentioning that I left the center section of my cart open on purpose. At the base, there's 3 sides, not 4. That allows me to roll items into my oven for storage when not in use.
Nice!! Your shop is amazing. You're living the life. Being a craftsman is very rewarding.
What a sweet setup you have there! I enjoy your video's a lot.Keep posting.
I would love to see a video of the powdercoating machine!
I'm gonna buy that same oven. Good review!
Ive seen a lot of home built ovens, but my first thought is a stack of bricks with a fire underneath with a door on a hinge for temperature control..but maybe the curing process is super exact ?
The reason for smooth finish is one of three, or all: 1 - not enough powder on the part.
2- not long enough bake time.
3- bake times are rated at metal temp for specified time. So 20 minutes at 400 degrees really means the metal must be at 400 degrees for twenty minutes. Under baked finishes are always really slick looking, or textures do not texture as they should, or veined materials come out black. Get a had held infra red temp gumn, and check your metal temp before setting the timer.
Also, I noticed you nid not seem to be getting enough product on the part when spraying. Slow down and let it build a little. Also, you vsn hest up the part before spraying. Thod helps build the coating a little faster. Have to be quick because thin metals cool rapidly. From a 35 year production powfer coating shop owner with 4 automated robotic lines, two manual lines, and a walk in shop where we did car frames, cycle frames, wheels, etc.
The new gun looked like a grest deal for $500. Nice wrap. Vibrator or fluidizer for powder box?
Those are killer tips! You should make some vids! My family has a construction equipment company and we recondition our equipment like scissor lifts, booms, etc and we are contemplating buying a set up for the stripping and powder coating we usually outsource… buying the equipment would pay for itself in 2 years of recon sub work…
Thats huge - she said 🤣
I will be building a diy box using some rockwool board. Have to do some deck post and I dont want to do shackercan this time.
Cheers
I would be interested in the powder coating system
ruclips.net/user/BJZaxoy
Absolutely love it start to finish... Well put together vid.. thanks..
Doc
Upland California
Great video. Wood like to see a review video on the China powder coating gun
I believe I have the exact same knock off powder coating system. Its a Gema copy. Been using it for years and have learned a bunch. If your struggling, maybe We can compare notes.
I'm all ears sir. My email is admin@redlinestands.com if you'd like to reach out to me. Thanks Jeff!
Would not it have been better to make the Casters removable for when the wheels wear out? Btw, I'd love to hear more about the new Coating Gun Setup Hun.
The wheels are 100% metal and I think this rack will probably get rolled maybe 100 yards per year, so it's not going to see much rolling over the lifetime. I suppose I could always cut them off later and weld new ones on if needed, but honestly I really do think these will last forever. Might do something on the pc system later, but I need waaaay more experience with it before doing a video. The instructions are the worst Chinese Engrish I've ever seen, so it's like trying to build a playing card house in the dark.
You did not say the brand name of the powder coating tool ?
Great Video!!! Could have powder coated the new cart? Great build there too!
I don't recommend this. You want to be able to attach your alligator clamp from the power coating machine to the cart and have it naturally ground through to the parts. Same reason you don't coat a welding table. You need that metal to metal contact.
@@RedlineStands and now we know. Great catch
Is there a reason (I’m sure that there is) why you just don’t spray the powder on the parts right inside the oven? With a proper ventilation system to remove excess powder (like a fan & filter) from the air would it be possible to spray the parts in the same place that you bake them?
For most parts I like to put it inside the oven, get it real hot, pull it out, and then spray the powder on it while it's hot. The hot part makes the powder stick to nooks and crannies much better and helps overcome the Faraday cage effect. If you shot the powder inside the oven, you'd also eventually powder coating everything inside the oven, which would be no bueno. Good question.
@@RedlineStands • Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the info.
What is the lowest temp that you could program it down too? I know the Eastwood oven has a minimum °F of 200°F. Trying to find an oven to also use for curing regular paint. Thank you.
Been looking for a decent powder coating oven that wouldn't break the bank and I think I've found it. You've had it for 2 years now. Is it still performing the way you want it to?
Yep. No change. Did a patio chair in there just yesterday.
Nice!
How is the chineese powdercoat system going?
So it's far better than the Eastwood system, but it's not perfect. The instructions are totally useless. I need to spend time experimenting with it and trying different settings, but I'm not sure if I'll bother or not. When you don't know what any of the buttons do, that makes it daunting.
Im exploring getting into powder coating for all my automotive restoration part needs.. Which model oven did you purchase?
Powder Coating Oven #8 - Double Ext Deep: Non-Insulated Floor
You can reach Tom at info@equalind.com
@@RedlineStands thank you for the reply and information.
I see you made this video almost a year ago. Is the oven still meeting your expectations? Im currently thinking of getting one to start my business with.
Funny you should ask. This morning I powder coat one of the chairs to my patio set. I also powder coat a sign I made with my cnc plasma to go outside my office door at work. It reads, "If you're soliciting, you better have donuts"
@@RedlineStands 😂 I like the sound of that sign. Well I guess I'll be going with them. They are actually kind of local to me and have a decent size oven that will actually fit where I'm starting out.
How do you like that kfx system? Been looking into it for my home set-up. I have the Eastwood currently.
KFX? I don't follow.
Your powder gun set-up looks like the kf x1-tc. Been looking into that as an upgrade.
@@Go4BrokeOffroad Ah. Right. I have very little experience with it. Not enough at this time to speak on it. I can tell you this though. The instructions, wall plug, and ground clamp are traditional Chinese garbage quality.
@@RedlineStands good to know sir. Dig your projects
Would you share please what AWG wire you used. Is it 4/3. I have a 35 foot run to my panel box
TBH, I don't recall. I have no idea what size wire is correct for 70 amps. I went to the electric supply house and told them what I was doing, and they sold me the appropriate size for 70 amps.
@@RedlineStands thank-you for the quick response and video! These look well made and I like the fact these are already dialed in @ 400 degrees.
4AWG copper wire and 2 AWG Aluminum wire according to google@@RedlineStands
How do you check your part temperature with this oven? I don't see an "inspection" hatch
I just open the door and use an infrared temp gun
@@RedlineStands I’m looking at getting a 4x4x6 and I don’t like the idea of losing all that heat when I open the giant door to check temps. Do you feel that you lose enough heat that an inspection/temp hatch would be beneficial? Or a quick open/close to temp it isn’t much ch to be concerned about? This is my biggest hang up on buying an oven so your thoughts are greatly appreciated. And thanks for your videos!!!
@@joe5417 Are we talking about doing this for a living, or for a hobby? If it's for a hobby, then who cares. So you open the door twice a week, let some heat out, and waste $3 of electricity. Big whoop. If it's for a living, then I suppose that efficiency matters a lot. Also, how far away does a infrared heat gun work? If you open a hatch, and the part is 3 ft away, does it work? If not, then the hatch is useless. I'd do that test first. I personally don't find that opening the door seems to affect much. I'm generally back to 400 degree within 5 minutes of opening and closing.
Been powder coating 20 years. Never had any issues with just opening the door and checking with temp gun. The powder coating industry is much like any other and sales people come up with ways to make more money by installation of gimmicky stuff like the inspection windows. It's not necessary at all. Good insulation. Good construction. Good heating elements and the circulation fan. That's all you need.
What size oven did you purchase/model? Thanks!
I believe it was this one
www.builtamericanequipment.com/product-details/dnbe-3000
What powder coating system are you using here?
No idea. I asked my Chinese sourcing agent to source me a professional grade system from China that didn't cost $5,000 It's very powerful, but no idea of the brand, and the instructions look like they were written by a three-year-old.
Thx!!!
yikes....exposed wiring in the burn chamber....not impressive