Many Years Later Sylvannas: Why is the Undercity getting attacked by murderous packhorses from time to time? Banshee: IiiiiiIiii.... believe they're descendants of the two packhorses King Arthas let escaaaaapppeee...
That crate made the difference between the the scourge being destroyed and not, because it was actually an SI:7 agent using the most powerful of all camoflauge techniques.
Man Detheroc really let himself go. (I don't mind, it, give him some visual distinction for what is otherwise a throwaway characte but still funny to know dreadlors can get fat, must have feasted on the souls of couch potatoes...) and Varimathras just has the darlingest muton chops. This mission is hard to play through, yeah. Although I do lie the concept of it. Block the passes is a good one, we haven't seen since.. man the first Starcraft, I think (that mission where you had to stop dark templar to escape as Kerigan)
Today's 3 skin of Paladins in this mission are Halahk the Lifebringer, Magroth the Defender and Dagren the Orcslayer. And the 3 previous skin of Paladins in Digging up the Dead mission are Lord Nicholas Buzan [Gavinrad the Dire], Normal Skin of Paladin [Ballador the Bright] and Sir Gregory Edmunson [Sage Truthbearer].
I had to go back to check when exactly the villager escaped. Apparently it was at 14:44 when you were with Sylvanas destroying the last farms. You had a really great start which was fundamental to have the least problems in the worst mission, starting with Kel'Thuzad was the best decision.
I finally beat this mission on hard I started with Kel Thuzad’s side because they sent the strongest units his way, those healing wave knights. Placed mines on the 3 farms each but it didn’t take them out, so I used death and decay to finish them off in a 2nd attempt. Buy lots of healing potions and mana potions while doing so. On sylvannas side, mass produce banshee’s and turn off curse, possess those larger spearmen. You’ll be set on that way. Arthas’ side is the least to worry about, mass produce abominations and animate dead and send them to attack farms.
I've always enjoyed clearing the map on this one for some reason. It just felt appropriate considering we're supposed to be purging the remaining living beings... though honestly, wiping out _all_ of the living strikes me as a bad idea if you want your forces to be able to continue growing. Ideally, Arthas should have spared a small population of live people and kept them spread out, under guard, so they could keep birthing more live bodies and gradually turn them into undead over time. Maybe find a way to turn the living populace into fanatics that worship Arthas or the concept of Undeath that view becoming one of the undead as something of an ascension.
I'm glad I finished this on my second attempt today. Moving Arthas to the other heroes^^ I remember back in the day this was the only mission I could not beat on Hard on my first playthrough, excluding the Secret mission, which I never really tried until recently.
For the secret mission, you need to max out Kael's Flame Strike ability and use it to weaken enemies before they are released. It doesn't seem like much, but the total damage adds up when you can do it to 12 enemies. Many waves include heroes, so drain their MP to replenish yours. The downside is there is no tomb of training the first 3 chapters so you can unlearn banish. I personally didn't find it useful.
The Militia Captains are infinitely better possession targets than the knights. Not only do they actually do more damage, at range - they actually have more health, auras and critical strike. I always hate cheesing; the missions are supposed to be difficult - and I was hoping to see how someone did it legit - I struggled for a bit - electing to turtle with Kelthuzad, and have Sylvanas work her way up to assist him with possessions on the Holy Knights.
What do you define as cheesing? I feel these lines tend to be arbitrary. Is rushing with KT to death and decay the left farms cheese or is only using mines to destroy buildings cheese?
It is not a condemnation of you - I guess everyones definition of 'cheese' depends on their own opinions; it just pains me when a mission can't be done the way it was intended for one reason or another - which is the games fault, not yours. Specifically using mines to destroy the altars in the middle is what I wouldn't be able to make myself do because of how it trivializes most of the mission. I was able to do it after several restarts; but the weak point is of course, Kel'thuzads inability to deal with any form of stiff resistance. It IS possible to do this 'legitimately' but it's a miserable slog. I think this is one of the few missions that were just horribly overtuned for Reforged.
Why do you say that destroying the altars that way wasn't how the game is intended to be played? Perhaps the map is way harder than it otherwise is intended to be without doing that. By the way, this mission really is not any harder to easier compared to the classic iteration.
@@JayborinoPlays Also I forgot to mention - they recently changed Hard difficulty for Reforged - to actually make it more difficult; I do not know if you have played since then. This was a few months ago (about 4 months) - during the 1.33 patch - the patch notes were vague but they definitely changed and tuned the hard difficulty to 'Challenge seasoned veterans'. Most of these tunings/changes were targeted at the RoC campaign but the TFT missions did get a pass of touch ups and changes. Such as starting gold mines having much less gold - attack waves sooner, and with less time between them. The first mission with Sylvanas in TFT where you only have ghouls and banshees is miserable. Varimathras and Purple attack you alternately every minute or so.
I think the hardest one to use is Sylvanas. Arthas is the easiest for obvious reasons. Whenever I use ol' skelly boy, I mass use Ghouls and Necromancers, basically swarming every base I find. I use the Ghouls as both fodder and extra corpses, while the Necromancers do their thing and summon SkElEtOnS to swarm. I think it's a good tactic.
Very true. Sylvanas *can* be the easiest, but you have to actively be disabling Curse, moving to the Mana fountain, and possessing the strong merc units that do Chaos damage. In that sense, she requires the most attention to babysit.
this mission took me forever to end. it seamed like blizzard shortened the time between the waves. or my skill is very low. sometimes I even lose the mouse arrow on the screen(
For me, I would aim for the castle one last, since Kel'thuzard's side is the one that needs defense the most, I would summon lots of ghouls and several necromancers at the back, and let the skeletons do all the killing in the surroundings. As for Silvannas's side, along with her banshees, is like a gold mine of militia captains and commanders, so I would purposely delay her side for more advanced human units. And King Arthas's side is just fine, just summon lots of ghouls at the back and several abominations at the front. I do this strat until I can decide my next move, I usually do the altars last.
Yeah Kelthuzad’s side is the most annoying, with those helping wave knights. I attacked the farm on his side first with goblin mines and kelthuzad’s ulti. Makes the mission easier. Sylvannas side just posses the spearmen
When there was 3 remaining village, the wave doesn't stop, it just keep coming. I cant even put other troops on the other side, because of the Paladin who guarded at the middle map, even when I destroy the altars, those units still attack. It sucks.
This mission took me 2 hours to beat cuz I have to keep cycling through each bases to make sure I have to keep my units on guard, Those tanky Militia Commanders with their healing wave are a proble for Kels side, Sylvanas side tho I just need to keep possesing those tanky militia captain spearmans and then cycling through destroying those farms, Arthas side is the least to worry about cuz you can just spam abominations to defend for the moment, Kels dps on his side is so weak so I have to prioritize it
idk why you think this mission was not enjoyable, but I felt it was at least engaging. I spent an hour making sure I'd destroyed every single pocket of resistance (and despite that I still somehow managed to let one human into the mountains by accident)
Oh man... when you discovered you muted yourself.... I can't imagine the anger...... That sucks man. Its definitely funny a going on 3 years later.... but that had to have sucked then.
This mission has like 5 tomes on it. I know there's another strength and a manuel of health on Kel'thuzad's side. And...maybe Sylvanas' side has the agility tome? lol
I checked multiple guides because I was curious and all say either two or three. Still curious, I scoured the map with cheats and still only found two!
Well, it is Reforged. They might of gotten rid of some of the tomes. I think I was wrong about the agility tome though. - On Kel'thuzad's side, the health manuel is hidden by some trees outside the entrance of the far right village. And the strength tome is like somewhere in the middle along one of the paths.
I wonder, does picking up tomes with arthas make any difference ? I mean with him losing levels in each chapter, will the tomes you stack on him count in last mission ?
Ok I'm a bit confused now, didn't Sylvanas Windrunner get rescued by Illidan at the end of the Watcher's campaign or is this just a plot point that's not meant to be thought about too hard.
You should chill out about what people say dude. It's the internet, you should read people in a devil's advocate kinda mood. Ego death is the key to balance.
I utterly despise this mission. It's unfun, extremely challenging and just sits uneasy. "slaughtering" and "obliterating" innocent people just trying to flee after somehow surviving the scourge. Ugh. And then the constant alerts every 2 seconds. Excellent guide though, was able to complete following your strat!
Many Years Later
Sylvannas: Why is the Undercity getting attacked by murderous packhorses from time to time?
Banshee: IiiiiiIiii.... believe they're descendants of the two packhorses King Arthas let escaaaaapppeee...
30:54 Arthas be like: "NOW Frostmourne!" while destroying a crate...
That crate made the difference between the the scourge being destroyed and not, because it was actually an SI:7 agent using the most powerful of all camoflauge techniques.
The things Jayborino does for us
I gotta say, after playing it twice and getting more savvy with it, King Arthas is growing on me.
@@JayborinoPlays It has been a long time since I played Warcraft 3, but I remember liking this one for some reason.
@Thomas Veeman Militia Commanders, remodelled Knights with Healing Wave
Detheroc looking like he found out fast food exists
Man, these new dreadlord models really crack me up. We got the sideburns dude, the diabetes dude, and the normal dreadlord model.
Little Swan's playGROWnd being fat will help a dread lord infiltrate certain locations
LOL right, I too dig those dreadlords.
Man Detheroc really let himself go. (I don't mind, it, give him some visual distinction for what is otherwise a throwaway characte but still funny to know dreadlors can get fat, must have feasted on the souls of couch potatoes...) and Varimathras just has the darlingest muton chops.
This mission is hard to play through, yeah. Although I do lie the concept of it. Block the passes is a good one, we haven't seen since.. man the first Starcraft, I think (that mission where you had to stop dark templar to escape as Kerigan)
Here's a little game for you: every time Jayborino says "Now let's rally them all here to ensure nothing gets through", take a shot
Except two pack horses!
@@JayborinoPlays 3, actually :D
I’m not sure what Villagers Escaped Counter you’re reading!
@@JayborinoPlays check out: ruclips.net/video/LhQauB8j8Q8/видео.html (35:12). One escaped, like, last second
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I used to possess packhorses in this mission. Helps with the morale.
Playing twice... the best mission of the game XD
Today's 3 skin of Paladins in this mission are Halahk the Lifebringer, Magroth the Defender and Dagren the Orcslayer. And the 3 previous skin of Paladins in Digging up the Dead mission are Lord Nicholas Buzan [Gavinrad the Dire], Normal Skin of Paladin [Ballador the Bright] and Sir Gregory Edmunson [Sage Truthbearer].
also, why is that nathrezim fat lol, and one paladin is black what the fuck
@@docholiday42069, who is the black paladin that you're talking about?
+Lukas Mandic "why is that nathrezim fat lol" Cause he's a Fathrezim
@@Zidana123 Good one lolz
Meanwhile the Fel Orc Warlods in the previous chapter are all still Grom
This was one of my favorite missions years ago. I used to do it slowly and cautiously with every group
I remember this mission being the hardest of all WC3 campaign maps for me. Basically I had to practise in online matches before I could finish it.
Hail to the king baby
I Hope you have a balance Life between games and family jay and have a safe and happy life in quarantine
I had to go back to check when exactly the villager escaped. Apparently it was at 14:44 when you were with Sylvanas destroying the last farms. You had a really great start which was fundamental to have the least problems in the worst mission, starting with Kel'Thuzad was the best decision.
I finally beat this mission on hard
I started with Kel Thuzad’s side because they sent the strongest units his way, those healing wave knights. Placed mines on the 3 farms each but it didn’t take them out, so I used death and decay to finish them off in a 2nd attempt. Buy lots of healing potions and mana potions while doing so. On sylvannas side, mass produce banshee’s and turn off curse, possess those larger spearmen. You’ll be set on that way. Arthas’ side is the least to worry about, mass produce abominations and animate dead and send them to attack farms.
I've always enjoyed clearing the map on this one for some reason. It just felt appropriate considering we're supposed to be purging the remaining living beings... though honestly, wiping out _all_ of the living strikes me as a bad idea if you want your forces to be able to continue growing. Ideally, Arthas should have spared a small population of live people and kept them spread out, under guard, so they could keep birthing more live bodies and gradually turn them into undead over time. Maybe find a way to turn the living populace into fanatics that worship Arthas or the concept of Undeath that view becoming one of the undead as something of an ascension.
Literally one of the hardest missions on hard mode
King Arthas: I have returned, Lich.
the way he says it, everybody knows Kel'Thuzad is his bch
So you're technically shipping them
What a sick tragedy. Prince Arthas killed those Stratholme villagers to keep the Scourge at bay. Now, he kills villagers in the name of the Lich King.
I can picture the sole survivor just blowing a kazooie alone at the party for Lodareon survivors.
I'm glad I finished this on my second attempt today. Moving Arthas to the other heroes^^ I remember back in the day this was the only mission I could not beat on Hard on my first playthrough, excluding the Secret mission, which I never really tried until recently.
For the secret mission, you need to max out Kael's Flame Strike ability and use it to weaken enemies before they are released. It doesn't seem like much, but the total damage adds up when you can do it to 12 enemies. Many waves include heroes, so drain their MP to replenish yours. The downside is there is no tomb of training the first 3 chapters so you can unlearn banish. I personally didn't find it useful.
@@cloudtheavegner1000 Thanks! Its the only mission I have never managed to beat; not that I tried particularly often.
i freakin love your impression of the banshee & silence LOLOL ifffff it pleeeeeases me / WOAH!!!!
The fat Dreadlord model cracks me up. I mean jeez Detheroc, what have you been eating?
Though I can't say I like mutton chop Varimathras very much.
Wasn’t it balnazzar with the mutton chops in WoW
Very well played Jay nice :)
Legacy of Jayborino
The Militia Captains are infinitely better possession targets than the knights. Not only do they actually do more damage, at range - they actually have more health, auras and critical strike.
I always hate cheesing; the missions are supposed to be difficult - and I was hoping to see how someone did it legit - I struggled for a bit - electing to turtle with Kelthuzad, and have Sylvanas work her way up to assist him with possessions on the Holy Knights.
What do you define as cheesing? I feel these lines tend to be arbitrary. Is rushing with KT to death and decay the left farms cheese or is only using mines to destroy buildings cheese?
It is not a condemnation of you - I guess everyones definition of 'cheese' depends on their own opinions; it just pains me when a mission can't be done the way it was intended for one reason or another - which is the games fault, not yours.
Specifically using mines to destroy the altars in the middle is what I wouldn't be able to make myself do because of how it trivializes most of the mission.
I was able to do it after several restarts; but the weak point is of course, Kel'thuzads inability to deal with any form of stiff resistance.
It IS possible to do this 'legitimately' but it's a miserable slog.
I think this is one of the few missions that were just horribly overtuned for Reforged.
Why do you say that destroying the altars that way wasn't how the game is intended to be played? Perhaps the map is way harder than it otherwise is intended to be without doing that. By the way, this mission really is not any harder to easier compared to the classic iteration.
@@JayborinoPlays I did not mean don't destroy the altars - just not destroying them with mines. Suicide tactics and such.
@@JayborinoPlays Also I forgot to mention - they recently changed Hard difficulty for Reforged - to actually make it more difficult; I do not know if you have played since then. This was a few months ago (about 4 months) - during the 1.33 patch - the patch notes were vague but they definitely changed and tuned the hard difficulty to 'Challenge seasoned veterans'.
Most of these tunings/changes were targeted at the RoC campaign but the TFT missions did get a pass of touch ups and changes.
Such as starting gold mines having much less gold - attack waves sooner, and with less time between them.
The first mission with Sylvanas in TFT where you only have ghouls and banshees is miserable. Varimathras and Purple attack you alternately every minute or so.
Goblin landmines give me Techies PTSD...
no one shall escape death
Dethiccroc
I think the hardest one to use is Sylvanas. Arthas is the easiest for obvious reasons. Whenever I use ol' skelly boy, I mass use Ghouls and Necromancers, basically swarming every base I find. I use the Ghouls as both fodder and extra corpses, while the Necromancers do their thing and summon SkElEtOnS to swarm. I think it's a good tactic.
Very true. Sylvanas *can* be the easiest, but you have to actively be disabling Curse, moving to the Mana fountain, and possessing the strong merc units that do Chaos damage. In that sense, she requires the most attention to babysit.
Did you know that humans are nearing the pass?
this mission took me forever to end. it seamed like blizzard shortened the time between the waves. or my skill is very low. sometimes I even lose the mouse arrow on the screen(
For me, I would aim for the castle one last, since Kel'thuzard's side is the one that needs defense the most, I would summon lots of ghouls and several necromancers at the back, and let the skeletons do all the killing in the surroundings.
As for Silvannas's side, along with her banshees, is like a gold mine of militia captains and commanders, so I would purposely delay her side for more advanced human units.
And King Arthas's side is just fine, just summon lots of ghouls at the back and several abominations at the front.
I do this strat until I can decide my next move, I usually do the altars last.
Yeah Kelthuzad’s side is the most annoying, with those helping wave knights. I attacked the farm on his side first with goblin mines and kelthuzad’s ulti. Makes the mission easier. Sylvannas side just posses the spearmen
When there was 3 remaining village, the wave doesn't stop, it just keep coming. I cant even put other troops on the other side, because of the Paladin who guarded at the middle map, even when I destroy the altars, those units still attack. It sucks.
This mission took me 2 hours to beat cuz I have to keep cycling through each bases to make sure I have to keep my units on guard, Those tanky Militia Commanders with their healing wave are a proble for Kels side, Sylvanas side tho I just need to keep possesing those tanky militia captain spearmans and then cycling through destroying those farms, Arthas side is the least to worry about cuz you can just spam abominations to defend for the moment, Kels dps on his side is so weak so I have to prioritize it
Good Job
I must place a land mine onto the Altars after I use my bubble to be invincible for a few seconds...
idk why you think this mission was not enjoyable, but I felt it was at least engaging. I spent an hour making sure I'd destroyed every single pocket of resistance (and despite that I still somehow managed to let one human into the mountains by accident)
Omg Detheroc became Thicc.
How come people didn't make fun of Anetheron but everyone's just roasting Detheroc's fat belly
Oh man... when you discovered you muted yourself.... I can't imagine the anger...... That sucks man. Its definitely funny a going on 3 years later.... but that had to have sucked then.
Last play with Kel Thuzad 😀
Break!Break!Break!Break! hehe GG m8 Good night
The sylvanas animation is really floppy when she transition from speak to hear couldnt they let in the same position?
I hate how they cut out the part of her running down hill to meet the Neraziem like in the original
betrayal!!!!
This mission has like 5 tomes on it. I know there's another strength and a manuel of health on Kel'thuzad's side. And...maybe Sylvanas' side has the agility tome? lol
I checked multiple guides because I was curious and all say either two or three. Still curious, I scoured the map with cheats and still only found two!
Well, it is Reforged. They might of gotten rid of some of the tomes. I think I was wrong about the agility tome though.
- On Kel'thuzad's side, the health manuel is hidden by some trees outside the entrance of the far right village. And the strength tome is like somewhere in the middle along one of the paths.
4 Z0 bLAzE iT!!11!!!1!!
I wonder, does picking up tomes with arthas make any difference ? I mean with him losing levels in each chapter, will the tomes you stack on him count in last mission ?
@BTIsaac Ok thanks good to know !
Weird this channel can't have notifications on
man im 3 hours deep on this level and running out of money
How'd it go?
@@TurtTheGreat I wish I could remember the details but I finished the level. it was my longest save game of any level by far.
aww sylvieee looks cuteeeee
If Arthas being levelled down through why give tome to Arthas ? Can anyone give me answet
Because you control Arthas for all the campaign.
The time stats remain permanent even as he loses levels.
I always thought this was a fun, if somewhat challenging mission. But you have a very rushed playstyle so I can see why maps like this frustrate you.
Sup jay
Arthas deff easy Sylvynas Deff medium Kel Thuzad deff Ultra nigtmare.
Ok I'm a bit confused now, didn't Sylvanas Windrunner get rescued by Illidan at the end of the Watcher's campaign or is this just a plot point that's not meant to be thought about too hard.
Illidan saved Tyrande Whisperwind. Slyvanas hasn't been seen in TFT until this mission.
You should chill out about what people say dude.
It's the internet, you should read people in a devil's advocate kinda mood.
Ego death is the key to balance.
fat dreadlord??
really blizzard???!?
just him glorifying how the ice shard stack and not buying them in the end... man its annoying/disappointing
UhM jAy... WhY dId YoU lEt 2 ViLlAgErS eScApE?
I utterly despise this mission. It's unfun, extremely challenging and just sits uneasy. "slaughtering" and "obliterating" innocent people just trying to flee after somehow surviving the scourge. Ugh. And then the constant alerts every 2 seconds. Excellent guide though, was able to complete following your strat!
Well, the scourge missions all sit uneasy (at least the ones against the living) because you are playing the bad guys.
Those are "very nice" looking armor and equips of the Milita Commanders.