Hi Graham, 1st time here, but I relieved to hear I'm not the only one that is sooooo disappointed and frankly, surprised the route this fav youtuber is taking with masterson. Thank you
I have been a follower of hers and admire her fight for justice for those male celebrities that were falsely accused. I left a post regarding “evidence” or lack thereof because of the church’s involvement. The Kushner’s letters didn’t convey disappointment or shame in what “their good friend of 25 years” has done to his victims. Even if they told them they wouldn’t be public; they should have written them like they would be. If they did; this could have been avoided. Also when someone is closely associated with someone like Danny; they have heard or seen something that ties to his crimes and continue to cover for him.
Give the Colonel a minute. I had already given her a gentle admonishment about not doing her usual research, on Scientology especially. I pointed out that she already knew about the LA trouble with the PD, one half of the equation.
Very well said. I adore her but I do agree with you. I think that sometimes we have trouble differentiating between the Artist & the Character, especially a character as beloved as Hyde was and I didn't want to believe it either sadly he did something bad and he's just like the rest of Hollyweird. The fact that there have been so many false accusations has nothing to do with this case and unless some kind of information comes out that proves otherwise, this looks like one of the legit ones. Take Harvey's case for example, I believe that he belongs in jail because I believe he did do what he was accused of in some of the cases but one of his "Victims" in particular.. and I'm sure there were several more just like her, CHOSE to use her body to get a role and I don't think those kind of incidents are criminal if they were given a choice. Even if it's a lousy choice it's still a choice. Those are the kind that make the REAL Victims look bad.
Thanks for sharing your concern openly and being adamant about responding to this creator whether she will listen or not. I’m trying to hold out hope that she’ll come around with a more round perspective, as I respect her integrity. Currently she’s coming across to me as very short sighted and blinded by her bias on this one.
Grace and Prepon are the only 2 who actually stayed the path. The others let their fame go to their heads. There are MANY sordid tales about them. As of late, Kutcher has been advocating for minors in human trafficking and I think that shines through the murk but in no way can excuse any of his previous acts. Masterson and Valderrama (sp?) were playboys from the get-go, and I don't think this is over yet.
Yes Yes Yes! It diaappoints me so much bc I have been so proud of the work she is doing; that she did her research and she stands behind what she believes in & is not bullied easily. Unfortunately, the last couple of post have made me feel like she is just the opposite side of the me-too movement gone crazy, where she's just assuming everyone is lying and that's not responsible either. Each situation has to be judged on its own and if you don't have enough time to dedicate to looking at the evidence and making aure you understand ALL facets of the story, then I think she should keep her opinions to herself until such time she should find out. It is just as reprehensible to defend the unworthy as it is for innocent people to be lied on. These are not trivial charges and accusations that were talking about here, and how does she think she gets to sit up there and question whether or not these Jane Doe's are telling the truth when she hasn't even bothered to take the time to find out?? Very disappointed. I feel like she has just proven herself as the other side of the coin... Me Too extremism in either direction is not right.
I don't know who you're talking about, but i hope she listens to you. It's hard to understand this case unless you really followed it and if you understand at least a little about Scientology. Well said.
Thank you for sharing your candid point of view. I admire how you didn't attack rather you warned her of errors she fell into and asked her to do a bit of research less she discredit herself. I think that was a really good way to communicate when these situations arise.
I've been a diehard Rammstein fan since the 90's. The entire allegation situation was an absolute circus, and absolutely stank of MeToo. Nothing about her story made sense. I hope Till Lindemann, and Rammstein sue the absolute piss out of Shelby Lynn.
Of course not! I’ve agreed with her on everything in the last few years, but just not this case. Also, I like her very much and respect her tremendously. Seems like she just has a blind spot on this case. @@grahamokeefe9406
If it helps, I've seen a fair amount of her videos but haven't subscribed, then I came across this on my home feed. So, maybe more people will see you and your take. May the algorithm be forever in your favor!😊
If he did it, bury him. That said, if his sentence is deemed reasonable, we best be ramping up the charges associated with the folks who verifiably mess with kids!
I was not aware of that. I don't think I've heard A-A-Ron talk about her being a scientologist. Not saying you're wrong, just not something I'd heard before.
I understand the reason for not wanting to name someone. People can get feral on social media. Still, I like to have context when I'm reflecting on important topics which this is. So is it bad to ask for clarity and structure here? (Who is this?) Anyway, this man seems like a conscientious, reasonable guy; thank you for the video.
I know exactly who your talking about, I saw her video yesterday and I was taken back. I wanted to blast her but hoped she was having a bad day and would see the evidence she NEEDS to justify the verdict
Yeah, I saw that too & had the same reaction. I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ve been a Scientology watcher for about 20 years & heard about Danny a long time ago. 💜
@Gram, this sounds like someone who doesn’t have that many followers has an up-and-coming channel who is also bothering Peter Monn I don’t know who in the heck you’re talking about but the way you’re describing her sounds like the same exact person and by the way, congratulations on your new channel do not ever not defend yourself it doesn’t matter how many followers you have how do you think the majority of these big RUclipsrs kept going with their followers because they stood by their words
Oh yes... completely agree with you. Its not right! She is being irresponsible and needs to do her research! And i have been a supporter of her's from the beginning. I wish she would Educate herself and not assume anything, bc that is ignorant! Ignorance is different than unintelligent! If you don't know, don't speak!!!
Donkey Punch admitted to anal penetration with an unconscious victim in a church ordered arbitration 20 years ago. His cult couldn't help him afterall.
So we are mad at them because they didn't say things the way we wanted. Because in essence they did in fact described their impression on Masterson. So now we hate them for it and doubtful of their character. Absolutely disregarding for example their work at fighting child abuse? They had a good impression of their friend and they described it. They focused at good things that they knew about him. Does that mean that they are shady? What shady things are you talking about?
@@CrystaliaVjust go and watch interviews of all of them when they were younger. Ashton and Danny both discuss her young age, how hot she was and they couldn’t wait for her to turn 18. This isn’t just 20 y/o men being young men. This is disgusting and we shouldn’t say it’s ok, they’re just young. 19 and 20 year olds shouldn’t talk about making out and placing bets around kissing a 14 yo. Also, one of Danny’s victims has come out insinuating she knows what they did to Mila, and for her to go along with this,…so who really knows, but to me that sounds like grooming, and I wouldn’t put it past Hollywood and the creep masterson is, and those involved in Scientology. I believe his victims. The cult of Hollywood will do anything g to protect their own.
A lot of us have followed the Masterson case for longer than 5 minutes, instead of jumping in when it gets big. The reality is, if she hasnt done a lick of research - shes no better than one of the Amber Heard fans that did/do the same thing. As far as Ashton and Mila..im not going to hate on them writing a letter..i sure as hell wouldnt have. That said, dont come out with some p.r. nonsense hostage video. Come out and own it.
Those two women had opened up completely about what Mr. Matherson did to them will you may not see them or from them but they were very thorough in what they reported and I’m seeing a lot of RUclipsrs research, open your mouth and let their fingers type their words and they have no clue
That's very difficult to say, unless you're actually in that situation. If it were my dad, I'd be disappointed, but I doubt I could completely abandon him. I'm estranged with my sister for much less.
Well said. It's always important to look at individual cases, individually. Thank you for being so respectful in your analysis.
Hi Graham, 1st time here, but I relieved to hear I'm not the only one that is sooooo disappointed and frankly, surprised the route this fav youtuber is taking with masterson. Thank you
The ex- Scientologists who testified about the reports at the time - that was Masterson's disgrace.
It’s been an open secret about him for many years, so I’m glad they were able to get the documents needed to nail him.
I have been a follower of hers and admire her fight for justice for those male celebrities that were falsely accused. I left a post regarding “evidence” or lack thereof because of the church’s involvement. The Kushner’s letters didn’t convey disappointment or shame in what “their good friend of 25 years” has done to his victims. Even if they told them they wouldn’t be public; they should have written them like they would be. If they did; this could have been avoided. Also when someone is closely associated with someone like Danny; they have heard or seen something that ties to his crimes and continue to cover for him.
Give the Colonel a minute. I had already given her a gentle admonishment about not doing her usual research, on Scientology especially. I pointed out that she already knew about the LA trouble with the PD, one half of the equation.
Well, she's still pushing the "witchhunt" line.
Very well said. I adore her but I do agree with you. I think that sometimes we have trouble differentiating between the Artist & the Character, especially a character as beloved as Hyde was and I didn't want to believe it either sadly he did something bad and he's just like the rest of Hollyweird. The fact that there have been so many false accusations has nothing to do with this case and unless some kind of information comes out that proves otherwise, this looks like one of the legit ones. Take Harvey's case for example, I believe that he belongs in jail because I believe he did do what he was accused of in some of the cases but one of his "Victims" in particular.. and I'm sure there were several more just like her, CHOSE to use her body to get a role and I don't think those kind of incidents are criminal if they were given a choice. Even if it's a lousy choice it's still a choice. Those are the kind that make the REAL Victims look bad.
GP?
Thanks for sharing your concern openly and being adamant about responding to this creator whether she will listen or not. I’m trying to hold out hope that she’ll come around with a more round perspective, as I respect her integrity. Currently she’s coming across to me as very short sighted and blinded by her bias on this one.
Mr Graham. I trust and believe in you. Love your channel keep going. You're doing great!
I appreciate the vote of confidence! Thank you for that.
But nobody needs to take my word for anything. The evidence is out there.
Grace and Prepon are the only 2 who actually stayed the path. The others let their fame go to their heads. There are MANY sordid tales about them. As of late, Kutcher has been advocating for minors in human trafficking and I think that shines through the murk but in no way can excuse any of his previous acts. Masterson and Valderrama (sp?) were playboys from the get-go, and I don't think this is over yet.
Yes Yes Yes! It diaappoints me so much bc I have been so proud of the work she is doing; that she did her research and she stands behind what she believes in & is not bullied easily. Unfortunately, the last couple of post have made me feel like she is just the opposite side of the me-too movement gone crazy, where she's just assuming everyone is lying and that's not responsible either. Each situation has to be judged on its own and if you don't have enough time to dedicate to looking at the evidence and making aure you understand ALL facets of the story, then I think she should keep her opinions to herself until such time she should find out. It is just as reprehensible to defend the unworthy as it is for innocent people to be lied on. These are not trivial charges and accusations that were talking about here, and how does she think she gets to sit up there and question whether or not these Jane Doe's are telling the truth when she hasn't even bothered to take the time to find out?? Very disappointed. I feel like she has just proven herself as the other side of the coin... Me Too extremism in either direction is not right.
I don't know who you're talking about, but i hope she listens to you. It's hard to understand this case unless you really followed it and if you understand at least a little about Scientology. Well said.
Thank you for sharing your candid point of view. I admire how you didn't attack rather you warned her of errors she fell into and asked her to do a bit of research less she discredit herself.
I think that was a really good way to communicate when these situations arise.
Like I said, I really do like her, and she's been right more than she's been wrong.
I've been a diehard Rammstein fan since the 90's. The entire allegation situation was an absolute circus, and absolutely stank of MeToo. Nothing about her story made sense. I hope Till Lindemann, and Rammstein sue the absolute piss out of Shelby Lynn.
big fan here , and thumbs up
Update, Rammstein are pursuing legal action against Shelby Lynn. I hope they take her for everything she has.
I totally agree and I know you are speaking of Colonel Kurtz
Please don't bug her about it.
Of course not! I’ve agreed with her on everything in the last few years, but just not this case. Also, I like her very much and respect her tremendously. Seems like she just has a blind spot on this case. @@grahamokeefe9406
If it helps, I've seen a fair amount of her videos but haven't subscribed, then I came across this on my home feed. So, maybe more people will see you and your take. May the algorithm be forever in your favor!😊
If he did it, bury him. That said, if his sentence is deemed reasonable, we best be ramping up the charges associated with the folks who verifiably mess with kids!
There were no kids involved in this, at least as far as we know.
Laura prepon is also a a scientologist with a shady history
I was not aware of that. I don't think I've heard A-A-Ron talk about her being a scientologist. Not saying you're wrong, just not something I'd heard before.
I understand the reason for not wanting to name someone. People can get feral on social media. Still, I like to have context when I'm reflecting on important topics which this is. So is it bad to ask for clarity and structure here? (Who is this?) Anyway, this man seems like a conscientious, reasonable guy; thank you for the video.
As I said, I don't want to put her on blast. Other people in these comments have mentioned her so if you really want to know the info is here.
I didn't expect a reply, thank you for taking the time.@@grahamokeefe9406
I try to answer as many as I can.
I know exactly who your talking about, I saw her video yesterday and I was taken back. I wanted to blast her but hoped she was having a bad day and would see the evidence she NEEDS to justify the verdict
Yeah, I saw that too & had the same reaction. I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ve been a Scientology watcher for about 20 years & heard about Danny a long time ago. 💜
What's the name?
You are exactly 💯 right. I know tge youtubers of who you speak ?
@Gram, this sounds like someone who doesn’t have that many followers has an up-and-coming channel who is also bothering Peter Monn I don’t know who in the heck you’re talking about but the way you’re describing her sounds like the same exact person and by the way, congratulations on your new channel do not ever not defend yourself it doesn’t matter how many followers you have how do you think the majority of these big RUclipsrs kept going with their followers because they stood by their words
I don’t think it’s the same person you’re thinking of but I’m unfamiliar with Peter Monn
Oh yes... completely agree with you. Its not right! She is being irresponsible and needs to do her research! And i have been a supporter of her's from the beginning. I wish she would Educate herself and not assume anything, bc that is ignorant! Ignorance is different than unintelligent! If you don't know, don't speak!!!
I didn’t follow the trial at all but I’m curious to know the evidence of his guilt. What would you say was the evidence in your opinion?
Donkey Punch admitted to anal penetration with an unconscious victim in a church ordered arbitration 20 years ago. His cult couldn't help him afterall.
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AH changed All of us !
For sure, but we can't let AH make us think that DM did nothing wrong.
So we are mad at them because they didn't say things the way we wanted. Because in essence they did in fact described their impression on Masterson. So now we hate them for it and doubtful of their character. Absolutely disregarding for example their work at fighting child abuse? They had a good impression of their friend and they described it. They focused at good things that they knew about him. Does that mean that they are shady? What shady things are you talking about?
about Ashton kutcher grooming a 14 y old Mila Kunis.... dunno maybe this one
More shade there than a Highrise casts by mid afternoon
@@arthurneegan6362 how was he grooming her? He was her co-star. Were they dating? Were they involved? What did he do to her? Elaborate, please.
@@CrystaliaVjust go and watch interviews of all of them when they were younger. Ashton and Danny both discuss her young age, how hot she was and they couldn’t wait for her to turn 18. This isn’t just 20 y/o men being young men. This is disgusting and we shouldn’t say it’s ok, they’re just young. 19 and 20 year olds shouldn’t talk about making out and placing bets around kissing a 14 yo. Also, one of Danny’s victims has come out insinuating she knows what they did to Mila, and for her to go along with this,…so who really knows, but to me that sounds like grooming, and I wouldn’t put it past Hollywood and the creep masterson is, and those involved in Scientology. I believe his victims. The cult of Hollywood will do anything g to protect their own.
A lot of us have followed the Masterson case for longer than 5 minutes, instead of jumping in when it gets big. The reality is, if she hasnt done a lick of research - shes no better than one of the Amber Heard fans that did/do the same thing.
As far as Ashton and Mila..im not going to hate on them writing a letter..i sure as hell wouldnt have. That said, dont come out with some p.r. nonsense hostage video. Come out and own it.
I did figure it out. Because I was schoked when I saw his video
Those two women had opened up completely about what Mr. Matherson did to them will you may not see them or from them but they were very thorough in what they reported and I’m seeing a lot of RUclipsrs research, open your mouth and let their fingers type their words and they have no clue
Would you stand by your friend/brother/dad if they were charged with rraappe?
I would.
If you wouldn’t,
You have no loyalty or honour.
That's very difficult to say, unless you're actually in that situation. If it were my dad, I'd be disappointed, but I doubt I could completely abandon him. I'm estranged with my sister for much less.
Who TF is he talking about?