I got a king deluxe 300 grit thats splash and go and I love it. You hit the nail right on the head about diamonds for beginners. You can clean them after you're done, and they dont dish. When learning, your focus needs to be on holding an angle and building/removing a burr. Not cleaning and flattening.
Thanks for the videos man! This christmas im wanting a knife and then whatever budgeted is left will go for a stone set. I got the the dual sided water stones but im sick and tired of the upkeep. Im interested in the pack of 3 small plates you recommended. I would love to eventually master free handing these sharpenings and the videos help. Thanks again
Thanks again for the video brother. I bought that tri diamond stone after you did the review. For the money and my lack of experience it has been excellent. I have probably used it 50 or 60 times now. I have actually gotten decent at sharpening thanks to your guidance. For someone starting off i highly recommend it.
For mild steel I use a Norton India for a first cut depending on how bad the edge is and Arkansas stones to finish. They cut quickly on mild steel, aren’t as messy as water stones and give an amazing edge.
Absolutely my go to as well and very affordable depending on the arkansas you finish on. I have everything from Silicon Carbide stones to high end japanese water stones and a combination india with a soft or hard Arkie to finish is just incredible.
I apprenticed under a professional shipwright. He got A+ results with a 2"x6" DMT fine grit, an ultra fine Dan's Arkansas slip stone both in a leather pouch that was a fine strop.
I really like my Naniwa Professional/Chosera, and Shapton stones since they are Splash and Go stones and I can sharpen pretty much most steel on them (and are less messy). Also got a nice King Stone but it's much softer and a soaking stone. And for the really hard steel, I use diamond plates. Sharpening doesn't have to be really expensive, but having some quality stones goes a long way for slightly more money. Not looked at prices lately, but I'm sure you can get 3 Shapton Pro stones for less than $150 , will last a long time and sharpen most you throw at them.
Shapton pro 3 stone set is around $125. 320, 1000 and 5000 grit respectfully. $150 if you swap the 320 with the 8000 grit. They’re great and somehow affordable high quality whetstones. They don’t dish out quickly and have very good grit tolerance. You can even get super finishing stones in that line the range is from 120 grit all the way to 30000 grit
@@ianbaker4295 Oh wow that's an even better price than I thought. Yeah I used mine a lot and not really dished I have flattened the kuromaku (320) once. While the typical cheap double sided soaking stones will dish out in less than 10 knives. I also live in Norway so things are much more expensive here. I really like the Shapton Pro line, and think they are probably the best value quality Japanese stones that should be available everywhere. I think many people overlook them for some reason, and I can't remember anyone using them ever saying bad things about them. Maybe when compared to much more expensive stones like Morihei & Suehiro, and even then it's not really about Shapton being bad or anything like that just a preference thing I believe.
@@wfjr997 We mean the line of Shapton Kuromaku stones. It is overlooked as the high-end splash and go at the price of a soaking stone. Influencers push other stones that are either newer or more expensive, and the mid range price bracket is overcome by a lot of poor performers and stones that need constant flattening. Atleast that’s my opinion.
No honorable mention for the most used stone found in farmers tool sheds across America...the Norton India and Crystolon? Very budget and very efficient. And I have over 75 different stones. Just my 2 cents. Carry on....great channel!
Good stuff, Right on man. The best cheap diy is an assortment pack of 3M wet dry sandpaper (don't cheap out on sandpaper) and a flat piece of wood to glue the sandpaper flat to, paint stirring sticks work well. $10-15 and you can sharpen a ton of knives with that setup.
Yeah diamond plates are definitely the best for people to learn freehand on, and UltraSharps are reliable. Having a surface that doesn't make a messy slurry and doesnt dish out is so useful when learning because it improves visibility of what your passes are doing to the steel, and also a person can go through lots of trial and error that would normally result in quickly dished/uneven or otherwise compromised surfaces on softer whetstones. I do recommend using dish soap water as lubricant, although it is cool to be able to use diamond plates dry and it improves visibility of work. I just don't like loose metal shavings, and the tactile feedback of dry grinding. Jerad tends to recommend quite low grits to start because it cuts steel fast, but I'd say 600 no lower than 400 for beginners, since we tend to remove too much steel while learning, and also medium grits are easier to practice doing smooth controlled strokes on than on rougher low grits. Finally, if a person cannot already achieve a good sharp edge using only diamond plates, they should know that switching to fancier whetstones or resin-bonded diamond stones will not really help them get sharper results. Most likely you'll just prematurely wear and waste those stones.
Word of caution on the Ultra Sharp diamond stones. DO NOT use the "Crud Curter" that they suggest. Believe it or not, it stained my QSP Penguin in S35VN. The knife is fine and the stones work incredibly wellnfor me. But just use them dry and be done with it. They can get steel build up that wipes away easily. Just a word of caution on some otherwise really good stones.
Japanese king Stone for beginners... You should make a mess, I put a rubber slip mat on the bridge between my 2 kitchen sinks and run the tap gently over the stone whilst I sharpen.
I bought the wife german steel kitchen knives so I purchased the ultra sharp set up to 1200 grit, I also purchased a katana that has t10 steel with hamon and was looking for maybe a 2000 and 5000 to finish out the blade when needed, I won't be chopping trees with it, can you suggest good value stones for my new learning curve
Stewart Macdonald sells diamond stones for leveling guitar fretboards very nice not sure about using for knives but mine look like the high end ones your showing 🤔
300 and 600, you can get the 1200 but it will wear faster than others, however i just recently put atomas on my neeveknifeco site and I'm hardly making anything over while sale, you should look into those if possible in that case get the 400 and 600 and 1200 in future you can grab the 140. Do notplate3 plates, buy one or 2 plates then get the replacement sheet for the other grit you want and stick it on back side
Thanks for the recommendations Jared. I’ve gone a little overboard with knife purchases so I don’t know that I need the stones yet but I do need to strop a few. I bought some leather paddles but not the Diamond emulsions yet. Was probably going to go with Gunny Juice or DMT but not sure what microns I would want. Just looking for good working edges for now. Any recommendations?
Short answer is anything between 1 and 3 microns, maybe closer to 3 for your situation. 6 micron is often used when stopping at a 400 and even 1000 grit stone. They would do 6, 3, 1. Diamonds, cubic boron nitride and emulsions of either are great for strops. If you’re on a very low budget and want a compounded strop now, get some rubbing compound that is called white diamond(it does not contain diamonds). Its grit size is around 1 to 2 microns
I only have one 600 grit 3X8 UltraSharp stone and as a complete beginner, I’m able to get a nice “toothy” edge on all my blades. The most premium steel I have right now is S35VN & M4. I got an S45VN PM2 coming this week. I’m avoiding the S90, Maxemet, etc. for now because I’m not confident enough that I’d be able to sharpen it. What was the brand of that last stone he showed? Sounded like “Atonement” but Google shows no results and there’s no link in the description to it.
I recommend getting a shapton pro 1,000 stone. Its splash and go, its around 20-14 micron so it's a good mix of aggression and fine edge ( I use it for my kitchen knives), great feedback and it stays pretty flat compared to soft water stones. It works on elmax, m390, m4 and steels in that range. Not sure about maxamet, 15v or s125v but if you have those get diamonds. Pair it with a 5-3 micron diamond paste (I recommend balsa or 3M micropore tape on wood) and you're set.
@@NeevesKnives I love mine. I have a 120, 320, 1K, 2K, 5K (awesome stone) and 12K but I rarely use it now. I do have a 8K as well but I don't like it that much. For me a sweet spot is 7 to 3 micron depending on the steel and strip on 5/3 Venev or 3 micron Gunny Juice on balsa or 3M Micropore tape (I recommend you try it. Great feedback, lasts for a long time, easy to replace and it's cheap. Plus it gives a great edge).
I have a angle guide for a stone called hapstone t2 and I have a shapton turamaku 1000 grit orange. I use a boning butchers knife and it's still not sharpening why. Thank you
Your stone is not aggressive enough, you need to start with a stone between 100 and 300 grit then move to something around 600 grit then the 1000. You could possibly get away with a 400 then the 1000 but it would be better the other way, I recommend getting 2 diamond plates preferably from Atoma, 140 and 400 or the 600 or any diamond plate off Amazon jfyi they are not all the same cheap ones typically wear out much faster
Hi，I just bought the atoma dimond plates from 140 to 1200， but it is separate from plates to base. should I attach two plates on each base by each side of the base or just one plates to each aluminum base's one side only ？ I was worry if I attach two plates on the each side of the base when I place the dimond stone on the substrate ， it will hurt or abrasion the rubber part of the substrate. Is there a whole atoma dimond stone rather than the separate base and plates ?
Mr. Neeve, i contacted you about 9 months or more ago, about your sharpening services. If you have a free moment please Let me know when you're opening up your books.
He isn't sharpening and hasn't bin for a while. He has said he doesn't have enough time with the channel and if he did do it it would be a lot of money.
@@ASimao71😂 now that you know, how you like how you found out?... This is why we should be nice to people and not act like you did... Karma got you quick eh Tee?
What was the brand of that last stone he showed?? Sounded like “Atonement” but Google shows no results & I don’t think it’s mentioned in the description.
Totally unrelated. I make hip hop music and I would like to sample random clips of you talking about t8 screws and I think it would make a dope like transition background sound. Wanted ur permission
I got a king deluxe 300 grit thats splash and go and I love it. You hit the nail right on the head about diamonds for beginners. You can clean them after you're done, and they dont dish. When learning, your focus needs to be on holding an angle and building/removing a burr. Not cleaning and flattening.
Thanks a lot for the tip with these "ultra sharp" plates, they will fit perfectly in my tsprof k03 😊
Thanks for the videos man! This christmas im wanting a knife and then whatever budgeted is left will go for a stone set. I got the the dual sided water stones but im sick and tired of the upkeep. Im interested in the pack of 3 small plates you recommended. I would love to eventually master free handing these sharpenings and the videos help. Thanks again
Yep get some diamond plates
Thanks again for the video brother.
I bought that tri diamond stone after you did the review. For the money and my lack of experience it has been excellent. I have probably used it 50 or 60 times now. I have actually gotten decent at sharpening thanks to your guidance. For someone starting off i highly recommend it.
For mild steel I use a Norton India for a first cut depending on how bad the edge is and Arkansas stones to finish. They cut quickly on mild steel, aren’t as messy as water stones and give an amazing edge.
Absolutely my go to as well and very affordable depending on the arkansas you finish on. I have everything from Silicon Carbide stones to high end japanese water stones and a combination india with a soft or hard Arkie to finish is just incredible.
what are you sharpening that's made of mild steel?
@@paynetyler4173 I should say budget steel, not mild. And thing from the CR’s to tool steels. The “super steels” take forever on Arkansas stones.
Great video man, big fan of the diamond plates too always my most recommended option. Clean up and maintenance is a big barrier for the new guys
I apprenticed under a professional shipwright.
He got A+ results with a 2"x6" DMT fine grit, an ultra fine Dan's Arkansas slip stone both in a leather pouch that was a fine strop.
I really like my Naniwa Professional/Chosera, and Shapton stones since they are Splash and Go stones and I can sharpen pretty much most steel on them (and are less messy). Also got a nice King Stone but it's much softer and a soaking stone. And for the really hard steel, I use diamond plates. Sharpening doesn't have to be really expensive, but having some quality stones goes a long way for slightly more money. Not looked at prices lately, but I'm sure you can get 3 Shapton Pro stones for less than $150 , will last a long time and sharpen most you throw at them.
Shapton pro 3 stone set is around $125. 320, 1000 and 5000 grit respectfully. $150 if you swap the 320 with the 8000 grit. They’re great and somehow affordable high quality whetstones. They don’t dish out quickly and have very good grit tolerance. You can even get super finishing stones in that line the range is from 120 grit all the way to 30000 grit
@@ianbaker4295 Oh wow that's an even better price than I thought. Yeah I used mine a lot and not really dished I have flattened the kuromaku (320) once. While the typical cheap double sided soaking stones will dish out in less than 10 knives. I also live in Norway so things are much more expensive here. I really like the Shapton Pro line, and think they are probably the best value quality Japanese stones that should be available everywhere. I think many people overlook them for some reason, and I can't remember anyone using them ever saying bad things about them. Maybe when compared to much more expensive stones like Morihei & Suehiro, and even then it's not really about Shapton being bad or anything like that just a preference thing I believe.
I am not aware of anybody over looking them
@@wfjr997 We mean the line of Shapton Kuromaku stones. It is overlooked as the high-end splash and go at the price of a soaking stone. Influencers push other stones that are either newer or more expensive, and the mid range price bracket is overcome by a lot of poor performers and stones that need constant flattening. Atleast that’s my opinion.
No honorable mention for the most used stone found in farmers
tool sheds across America...the Norton India and Crystolon?
Very budget and very efficient. And I have over 75 different stones.
Just my 2 cents. Carry on....great channel!
Are they still produced? Or do you have to inherit it off grandpa?
Good stuff, Right on man. The best cheap diy is an assortment pack of 3M wet dry sandpaper (don't cheap out on sandpaper) and a flat piece of wood to glue the sandpaper flat to, paint stirring sticks work well. $10-15 and you can sharpen a ton of knives with that setup.
Thank you for this tip, this will work great for me since I am on a very low fixed budget. Thank you for sharing and being so honest.
Yeah diamond plates are definitely the best for people to learn freehand on, and UltraSharps are reliable. Having a surface that doesn't make a messy slurry and doesnt dish out is so useful when learning because it improves visibility of what your passes are doing to the steel, and also a person can go through lots of trial and error that would normally result in quickly dished/uneven or otherwise compromised surfaces on softer whetstones.
I do recommend using dish soap water as lubricant, although it is cool to be able to use diamond plates dry and it improves visibility of work. I just don't like loose metal shavings, and the tactile feedback of dry grinding.
Jerad tends to recommend quite low grits to start because it cuts steel fast, but I'd say 600 no lower than 400 for beginners, since we tend to remove too much steel while learning, and also medium grits are easier to practice doing smooth controlled strokes on than on rougher low grits.
Finally, if a person cannot already achieve a good sharp edge using only diamond plates, they should know that switching to fancier whetstones or resin-bonded diamond stones will not really help them get sharper results. Most likely you'll just prematurely wear and waste those stones.
Word of caution on the Ultra Sharp diamond stones. DO NOT use the "Crud Curter" that they suggest. Believe it or not, it stained my QSP Penguin in S35VN. The knife is fine and the stones work incredibly wellnfor me. But just use them dry and be done with it. They can get steel build up that wipes away easily. Just a word of caution on some otherwise really good stones.
I’d love to see more of these detailed videos on stones!! Thanks Jared!
Japanese king Stone for beginners... You should make a mess, I put a rubber slip mat on the bridge between my 2 kitchen sinks and run the tap gently over the stone whilst I sharpen.
Can you do one for fixed angle systems. I'm currently using tsprof diamond Stones.
Thanks for reading my mind today, Jared. 👍
I bought the wife german steel kitchen knives so I purchased the ultra sharp set up to 1200 grit, I also purchased a katana that has t10 steel with hamon and was looking for maybe a 2000 and 5000 to finish out the blade when needed, I won't be chopping trees with it, can you suggest good value stones for my new learning curve
Stewart Macdonald sells diamond stones for leveling guitar fretboards very nice not sure about using for knives but mine look like the high end ones your showing 🤔
Thanks Neeves. But if we go with the Ultra Sharp Diamond, what Grit or Grits should I get?
300 and 600, you can get the 1200 but it will wear faster than others, however i just recently put atomas on my neeveknifeco site and I'm hardly making anything over while sale, you should look into those if possible in that case get the 400 and 600 and 1200 in future you can grab the 140. Do notplate3 plates, buy one or 2 plates then get the replacement sheet for the other grit you want and stick it on back side
excellent Chanel with very good info. Thanks
thanks brtother im deffinitly getting one of these for sure
Thanks for the recommendations Jared.
I’ve gone a little overboard with knife purchases so I don’t know that I need the stones yet but I do need to strop a few. I bought some leather paddles but not the Diamond emulsions yet. Was probably going to go with Gunny Juice or DMT but not sure what microns I would want. Just looking for good working edges for now. Any recommendations?
Short answer is anything between 1 and 3 microns, maybe closer to 3 for your situation. 6 micron is often used when stopping at a 400 and even 1000 grit stone. They would do 6, 3, 1. Diamonds, cubic boron nitride and emulsions of either are great for strops. If you’re on a very low budget and want a compounded strop now, get some rubbing compound that is called white diamond(it does not contain diamonds). Its grit size is around 1 to 2 microns
Thanks Ian!
I have a set of those 3x8 ultrasharps. They really are pretty decent stones for what you pay for them.
I only have one 600 grit 3X8 UltraSharp stone and as a complete beginner, I’m able to get a nice “toothy” edge on all my blades. The most premium steel I have right now is S35VN & M4. I got an S45VN PM2 coming this week. I’m avoiding the S90, Maxemet, etc. for now because I’m not confident enough that I’d be able to sharpen it. What was the brand of that last stone he showed? Sounded like “Atonement” but Google shows no results and there’s no link in the description to it.
Atoma
i like Shapton Kuromaku.
I recommend getting a shapton pro 1,000 stone. Its splash and go, its around 20-14 micron so it's a good mix of aggression and fine edge ( I use it for my kitchen knives), great feedback and it stays pretty flat compared to soft water stones. It works on elmax, m390, m4 and steels in that range. Not sure about maxamet, 15v or s125v but if you have those get diamonds. Pair it with a 5-3 micron diamond paste (I recommend balsa or 3M micropore tape on wood) and you're set.
I've tried some but I should get more
@@NeevesKnives I love mine. I have a 120, 320, 1K, 2K, 5K (awesome stone) and 12K but I rarely use it now. I do have a 8K as well but I don't like it that much. For me a sweet spot is 7 to 3 micron depending on the steel and strip on 5/3 Venev or 3 micron Gunny Juice on balsa or 3M Micropore tape (I recommend you try it. Great feedback, lasts for a long time, easy to replace and it's cheap. Plus it gives a great edge).
‘’The wilderness philosopher’’
(best way to sharpen a knife) RUclips.
Sincerely grandpa. 🤧
Does diamond plates cut as smooth as King Whetstones after sharpening? I own a few Kings.
Good video very useful
Thanks for the advice.
sharpal makes a really good diamond plates. 40 bucks for a 6x2. last me a long long time. or the shapton ceramic series are great too
jerad what are the grits that you recommend for venev stones? 😅
I have a angle guide for a stone called hapstone t2 and I have a shapton turamaku 1000 grit orange. I use a boning butchers knife and it's still not sharpening why. Thank you
Your stone is not aggressive enough, you need to start with a stone between 100 and 300 grit then move to something around 600 grit then the 1000. You could possibly get away with a 400 then the 1000 but it would be better the other way, I recommend getting 2 diamond plates preferably from Atoma, 140 and 400 or the 600 or any diamond plate off Amazon jfyi they are not all the same cheap ones typically wear out much faster
@NeevesKnives thank you heaps. Is the hapstone t2 good ?
I use chip chinese stones and I'm really happy with it. Mkre important is skills then stones.
How about DMT stones? I have a couple of those with Trend double sided stone.
Hi，I just bought the atoma dimond plates from 140 to 1200， but it is separate from plates to base. should I attach two plates on each base by each side of the base or just one plates to each aluminum base's one side only ？ I was worry if I attach two plates on the each side of the base when I place the dimond stone on the substrate ， it will hurt or abrasion the rubber part of the substrate.
Is there a whole atoma dimond stone rather than the separate base and plates ?
Awesome thank you
Well done sir
How was blade show west?
How many days clean, mate? 😉 Me 1560 days. Never Alone! Stay Sharp!
Mr. Neeve, i contacted you about 9 months or more ago, about your sharpening services. If you have a free moment please Let me know when you're opening up your books.
He isn't sharpening and hasn't bin for a while. He has said he doesn't have enough time with the channel and if he did do it it would be a lot of money.
Also, the mans name is Jared, not Neeve... 😊
@@ASimao71Neeves is his last name. I’d you’re going to try to correct a person, make sure you’re not wrong first smart guy.
@@Sleepy_spartan717
This, Mr. Neeve is the correct use when addressing someone by the last name.
@@ASimao71😂 now that you know, how you like how you found out?... This is why we should be nice to people and not act like you did... Karma got you quick eh Tee?
Where the hell is my " baaaang......."😢
UltraSharp that new hotness. Dont get old junk. Get new hotness. A wise man once told me.
What was the brand of that last stone he showed?? Sounded like “Atonement” but Google shows no results & I don’t think it’s mentioned in the description.
He's referring to Atoma diamond plates.
They're not even too pricy, $40-60 each. I mean, tgeyre like a common kitchenware item for Japanese housewives 😁
Not a fan of Norton oil stones? The oil is messy though...
I've had many of them I just think diamonds are better, but yeah they work well if you keep the surface goof on them
Is it the guide or the stone or me ?
? All
Totally unrelated. I make hip hop music and I would like to sample random clips of you talking about t8 screws and I think it would make a dope like transition background sound. Wanted ur permission
Nothing new here 😢