Catamarans vs Monohulls | Between 2 Sheets Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2021
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UNCUT and RAW: This video is a PODCAST with James (Sailing Zingaro) and Plukky (Sailing Into Freedom). We're discussing catamarans, boats, sailing, lifestyle, cruising, and more. Hope you all enjoy it!
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Hi everyone! This video is a bit different than you're used to, it's a PODCAST style video - so no visual aids or cutting. Feel free to use google to look up the boats we are talking about. ;) Thanks for watching, and much love! LMK if you dig this stuff, I've got quite a few podcasts saved up from many different sailors.
Man you and Peter I'd take anything you two make.
I wish you had done a fishing video together spearfishing
Thanks for the video. I agree . I went as crew when my husband delivered a fontaine pageot Athena to the Carribbean from France many years ago.
I thought it was a lovely sailing boat and just a pleasure! It was a very sweet boat .
There was a Mumbi at Pangkor Marina where we're at, they just left towards the Andaman islands. Super fast boat!
More of this definitely! Most interesting depth of subject when very real world experienced sailors talk. The usual yacht club round the mark are to distanced from this.
Yeah man you know we dig this stuff
Two captains experienced in sinking their boats. Unironically this is a wealth of information because you don't have to experience the worst scenario to appreciate the wisdom of those who have lived through it. I remember Plukky and Margarida waist high in their cat trying to salvage what they could. Pay attention to these guys and maybe avoid heartache yourselves. Good one guys.
Though neither of these guys lost their boats for the reasons they are painting against production cats. Not that I disagree with them.
James thrashed his Cat (sailed too hard he admits as must about 6 months prior) in the year or so proceeding it cracking up and Plucky was negligent. Plucky would have known Australia's coast line is very much un surveyed in the more remote areas. Don't get me wrong I like these guys but you have to call it for what it is.
Hahaha nice call
Such true words Plucky the beer at sunset tastes the same if you on a $500k boat or a $100k and you still get to the same islands
Plukky and James, brothers from different mothers... Great to see you together!
I'm an aluminum fan and Plukky is right up my alley. If I were to build another ship Mumby would be at the top of my list. Sailing Jupiter is an interesting source for this design.
ruclips.net/user/LifeonJupiter
Andre
There just ugly as sin in my book 🥴
Certainly the most enjoyable "Sailing Blog" video I've seen for quite some time... Very natural, of the cuff as one would say!! I look forward to the next instalment. Fair winds you guys.
You guys are classic together.
noice comment - have stolen it copy/paste thanks
oh you got a heart - teachers pet - I got nuffin' apparently plagarism is frowned on oh well merry xmas
Great show you guys! It was awesome to have you together on a show being that I watch you both independently. I think sailing discussions with different channels/personalities is a great idea to pass on knowledge and experience. I’m just an overlander with dreams of sailing and I’ve been soaking up everything I can from your shows for a couple years now. Cheers!
I watch these super captains every week . James and Pukkly are great guys Both had footage during the emergency sinking on line and how they risked their lives and saved their boots . We were right there with them . How exciting . Plus their crews are such fun . Plukky fix your lights . James keep looking for your weak link .
I only sailed in the SF bay and had such fun and now at my age I enjoyed your you tubes. Thank you
Thanks, Robert, for the kind words. Will do.
This reminds me of when my Dad got together with a friend and started talking about cars and racing. Instead, this is a couple people talking about boats. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and passion for sailing.
Absolutely loved this! Two crazies with a wealth of experience & knowledge that is frightening!
Very nice. Thanks guys. One absolute truism on boats is “ everything is a trade off. Another is: don’t wait too damn long saving or building the perfect boat. Get out there!! I started cruising part time, 6 mo. A year, on a 25K dollar Alberg 35. Then full time an $85k Kelly Peterson 44, then a $73k Cal 2-46. Put at least another $10k in each. They were all old but good boats. I actually sold them for more than I paid for them initially.
BUT! I got out cruising when I was still young enough to really do it and enjoy it. You DON’T need to spend $2, 3, 400K to go cruising. In our early 40’s my wife and I said “hey there is more to life than making money. Lets GO! We quit at the height of our careers and never looked back. And when is the last time that you saw a Hearst, towing a trailor full of “stuff”. You can’t take it with you.
Great channels, both of you. Keep it up! Thanks. PS. And yes, you need to keep a multi light. Load them up and you loose both speed and seaworthiness. Not good. And I could never afford a really nice multi so………. Stayed with monos.
What a blast watching you two prattle on! You guys are two of the best sailing vlogs in my opinion, your content got me through a protracted battle with Covid, and the whole nearly dying bit combined with watching you sail led me to the decision that it’s time to simplify life and learn to sail before I’m too old or dead from some random virus.
Much respect and love to you two and I hope to cross paths in this crazy ride around the sun we call life!
Cool comment, Travis. That's a great decision. Do it. We'll see you out here. 😎
Love seeing you guys together both ppl ive been watching and admiring for years
For months now I knew you guys have been getting closer so glad to see this
This might be one of the most iconic sit-down sailing interviews on RUclips. I could not agree more on the fly-bridge cats. Makes no sense on a sailboat to put your helm up high on the boat. Thanks for a VERY informative video!
I'd love to see this same conversation with Riley on LaVagga.
Great chat guys! Keep sharing your knowledge and inspiring more people to sail.
Totally agree with you re your evaluation of production cats. My boat was a Pescott 11.7 Whitehaven cat--australian designed and built in WRC. She had outboards in pods which didn't wash directly over the rudders and to be frank, it didn't matter much, I could put her wherever i wanted. I loved it because it was simple and sailed like the wind.
Great chat guys. very cool to see two celebs giving very helpful advice to other sailers trying to make heads or tails of different type yachts.
Nice seeing you two together. Great shows.
Fact check guys. The catamaran that capsized in northern nsw with fatalities was not a Lagoon. It was a performance oriented design with dagger boards. You can clearly see on RUclips both the rescue footage and subsequent wreckage . To the credit of design or that of builder, it was found 6 months later still afloat. Obviously that didn’t prevent the sad loss of life in this case.
Schionning, spirited design
I watched a video from the current owner of that boat, amazing how it was found at sea and what little work it took to get her seaworthy.
edit- I may be thinking of a different case, the one I watched was about a Chris White Atlantic 72', ironically it has the front helm that Plukky was very critical of.
This is really good content, so much info to take in. Love it!
Two of the best utube sailors together :) thanks guys always fun :)
Finally 2 cruisers who understand CE! I have a hanked on jib with 2 reefs and a roller boom furling main with 4-5 reefs and I take my little 20ft boat out in 30kts
wow sweet to see you both in one pod cast
Great info, enjoyed this session!
loved this... good info and entertainment, keep them coming.
I've been waiting for this video
Great content guys, very informative.
Really Great seeing both of you together. "bring them fish"...so true. I look forward to more tag team style straight stuff insight about sailing, seamanship & spearfishing. Good on you!...that's my Aussie impression since we are also doing voice impressions! Cheers!
I think you guys have the best chat time videos out there.
I like this style of video from time to time.
Best blog by both of you yet
Really enjoyed this James......half an hour just flew by!.... would love more of these - you and plucky are a natural partnership - would be great to see you sailing together.... adventure/carnage and laughs would be guaranteed! 😎👍
Awesome to see Plucky on a different channel.. Im a huge fan of his vlog. Great fisherman and massively funny. Hes a bright ol button too. Great video. Merry Christmas to you both.. Hope this comment find you well safe and happy.
Agree on all
This was awesome!! James, I reached out by email awhile back and you replied. I will touch base again soon hopefully!! And I just discovered Plucky a few days ago... He's hilarious and a great watch as well!! You guys both have an amazing amount of knowledge!!!
Very informative, Thanks Guys!
two of my favorite sailors!!
more pls!
I luv this style of vlog....just spot on....cheers
So good to hear two blokes sailing monohulls get all dreamy when remembering multihull life.
I’ve got to try a cat sometime. All that space is so alluring. Till then I guess I’ll just lean as the wind gets up. 😊👍⛵️
Keeping it real awesome watch merry Christmas guys
Just started and I can't wait to see this
Great video from my 2 favorite sailing captains.
Wow it's so great to see to captain talking about their experiences on cats, my self personally I prefer a monal my self but great to see ya'll hooking up great episode guy's, stay safe, have a great time 🤙
Hi guys, love your work.
Since the Covid thing my wife an I went from a small mono to a 40’x 20’ plywood glass over late 80’s AU/NZ design Hitchhiker catamaran.
This thing was build like a brick shithouse.
It needed work, to say the least, but it’s rig was solid (2013 cutter rig with Doyle sails).
I even have the original plans on board with full size templates.
I payed $50k AU for her, I bought new engines, 2 x 25 hp outboards and upgraded everything myself.
18 months later and 5.5 months cruising from GC to The Kepples no problems. Even reefed she’ll smash out 9- 10 knots and can sail 45 apparent.
The biggest challenge I find right now is comprehensive insurance, which you need to haul out or tuck into a marina from time to time.
So all systems a gold now and we are having trouble getting insurance because they don’t seam to like non production boats.
If you guys want some plans I have them. The time and $$$ these guys are spending repairing these production boats, you can own a sailing tank with full systems and awesome rigging/sails hydraulic steering. 1400 watts power, Watermaker induction cooking and coffee machine for $130k AU
Just agreeing with Clucky on the Mumby👍.
There are cheep ways to do cat cruising. Just just have to put up with some snobs who think they are better because they have a production cat. When in fact the devaluation of the production boat is what we are out here for, ten years earlier than most.
Just saying🇦🇺😎
Really enjoyed this..love both of your channels and is great to get two for one..keep it up..i hope to get down that way someday
Great info. Top stuff!
Thanks guy's! That is s good vid!! Good content,infou!! You are good lad's Peter and James!! More this!!👌👍✌️☺️😇
Thanks guys for being brave enough to speak the truth very rare thing nowadays the truth watched both of your blogs last few years thinking about buying a boat myself sorry I missed you guys at the show hope you’re there next year all the best to the both of you
I really enjoy this podcast and also Puckey makes it great sidekick. Really adds value to the continent glad you guys decide to do this excited to see what the next podcast is but please don’t worry about the professionalism I felt like I was hanging out with you guys having a beer. Thank you for making my life better and merry Christmas. John Sailing instructor that’s an editor this is School Bus Driver that used to be a limo driver and a yellow cab driver from Kansas City
Good Nz morning James. Awesome episode. Two for the price of one. Subbed to both your channels. Perfect birthday present for this now, armchair sailor to wake up to. So having seen 75 summers., just because I've stopped, I hope that you keep going mate.
If you do get down this far, I'll have my beer fridge full. Take care and atb from down here in Nz.
I have been delivering sailboats for much of my life and have sailed all sorts of boats. I am a monohull sailor through and though, mostly because of comfort and safety. Catamarans are ok but absolutely awful going upwind in a big sea. Get on a cat if you want to be seasick. I did have a good time on a French Fontaine Pajot, 55 ft that behaved very well and it was well built. The only other time was on a little Gemini 105, trans Pacific, small, light and nimble, retractable dagger boards and rudders, it drew less than twelve inches and narrow enough to fit into a regular sized slip in a marina. That buggah was fast!! Thanks for the 'Podcast', interesting to hear your comments. Aloha James.
Right People! We have never owned a cat, but we have owned boats for 55 years and put on 35K ocean miles in the last ten years. We have only been passed by two cats ever in our 49' mono and both were all carbon fiber. We usually walk on cats during passages. We have less drag in light air and in heavy air the cats have to slow down to minimize the slap on bridge deck. Most of the cat owners we have spoken too are in love with their cats. But we have met two honest owners and long range sailors with opinions that make sense. They both say that they would much rather sail a monohull, but that they spend 75% if their cruising time at anchor and the cat is a superior living platform. So, I guess it makes a difference what is more important to you.
Great talk. Always enjoy seeing Plucky. Please talk about the lightning strike and how it blow the hole in the bottom of your boat. That had to be an O’shit moment and one hell of a struggle to keep from sinking.
My two favorites sailors having a chat.
Loved it!
An honest conversation from you both is fine respect. Tried tested destroyers of craft. All manufacturers should have to disclose the downside and dangers, definitely dreaming. Thankfully there are some out there telling the truth.
I am already in a mono. Compromise of space certainly.
Excellent you two make it a very interesting pod cast your personalities are awesome together thank you loved you talk
I loved this video! The plan is to head to San Blas before hurricane season. Gotta fix a chainplate and replace injectors.
Great show guys you made my day listening to you and Peter chatting I am in the process of choosing a boat I think you helped me make up my mind.
They did the same for me and then I bought it and they crashed both of theirs!!!!
Just scratched the surface. Keep sharing to he gold nuggets gentlemen!!
Seen plucky’s mug on the thumbnail I’m passing, so had to give a listen. Great show guys. Seen you on Captain Ricks a while Back ,so add me to your list of followers.. plucky has some of the best diving vids on the web!
Plukky was on his best behavior here.... I wonder how long that will last 😁
Just until he gets back to his own boat! lol
brilliant stream! more!
Great one! super fun
Straight up stuff guys.cheers
Good job boys loved it.
Love you guys. I have watched all over you videos. But together you guys Rock.
Great Stuff 🙏 I’ll come to this later on.
Two intelligent men shooting the breeze. Liked it alot.
James and Plucky are 2 peas in a pod. Love it.
It was almost at the end of this episode when I started counting up all of the similarities between these two. Neither of them give two sh#ts, you never know what they're going to say, and both have sent a cat to Davey Jones.
Party boats😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
33:30 omg, pure gold, those voices
Finally the two of you together !
LOVE It Boys!!!!
You guys are perfect entertainment together. We like RAW. Andre in Sydney - Yes I love the Mumby but have a PF Mahe Dual owners version .
Wait what? I thought there was going to be some Arm Wrestling in this video!!? Ha! These fella's are amongst two of my favorite channels! Merry Christmas too both of you & thanx for the share!
Merry Christmas my friend!
Plucky, where have you been? I've been looking for you all over the internet! Kinda anyway. Happy to see you again!😊 Take care and good to see you! Happy Holidays mate! 🌲
For the Mumby or Cyber 48 check out ‘life on Jupiter’ … I’m sold on those but the Garcia ExploCat all aluminum catamaran is a lil more expensive than the Mumby but it’s more dressed out … few years ago the Alu Marine out of France made some big aluminum cats that where charter boats mostly and some are still around .. I have to say I’d rather have the Neel 51 trimaran except their quality control fittings out the boat is lacking but the sailing characteristics are great either into or down wind ..
great subject guys from 2 very experienced sailors ..
I enjoyed this one. Again :)
My buddy owned Phado 3. They smashed a whole bunch of records we sailed it once in like 30 knots it was epic. I think you were referring to it as green flash.
very enjoyable :-) thanks.
Nice to see a great dicussion with straight honest opinions. Maybe discus balsa core below waterline next time? How can that work?
Bring in more discussions together. Rough edit is good enough to keep it real.......
Nicely done. Hope the next has more ETOH sailor.
I've been a fan of the work of David Reard, designer of the Bepox and other amazing epoxy ply boats...
I consider networking one of the greatest tools cruisers have. If you were going to a country for the first time if you can check with others that are comming back from there as to what to expect.To buy a catamaran cost more than a monohull. So if a Morgan sails like a brick, and don't trade up to a Lagoon, and get a gold brick. Thanks for the info.
Wow, just saw the owners of a Lagoon 410 say they had a broken bulkhead on Parlay's most recent "diamond pattern non skid" at 8 min 21 seconds. Wow. Its all over the Lagoon Cats, same construction practices on all of them apparently ! Maybe we will see more on the Lagoon 410 from them.
Hey, shit those impersonations were very good, haha! About cats, to me they were made for idling around and partying in an anchorage or Lagoon. Initially they never had a kicking strap like a monohull has, so could not sail close to the wind. My experience was with a Dean Cat 36 ft with 2 Yanmar 19hp engines in it, sailing from Durban to Cape St Francis in the Mozambique current at 7 knots plus 3 knots current speed, with 30 ft swell behind you! Initially not fun at all, more like fighting for survival scenario! (It did not have a kicking strap). Had to steer all the way, as the weight on the belt for the autopilot was too much for it to work, as it was slipping! I have sailed dingies my whole life, since the age of 5, and was taught that ocean cats were actually dogs in the water! I felt that for myself! You cannot choose the cabin at the bow, otherwise you are in the air most of the time,.So glad that you brought this subject up. All good, and wouldn't mind meeting up with you both sometime. Enjoy the festive season. Take care.
I agree lagoons are pump sailed on a few well it didn't feel like sailing at all. My current boat is a lightweight build been through heavy weather, orca attacks and a pirate attack of cap manuel outside Dakar. I'm surprised it's still functional. Currently waiting and fixing the boat in the gambia mangroves system lots of malaria and crocs. 😂 But perfect sandbanks if you don't have the boat yard.
Good stuff boys. I went from mono hull to cat and now you guys got me thinking mono again.
Mumby 48 looks solid. I think there's a guy in Cebu building those right?
Interesting that Plucky talked about having to always change the sails on his cat in squals, Riley from Plucky's favourite sailing chanel was just talking in their latest video about just running off 30 degrees in squals to lower the apparent wind then coming back up afterwards - might reflect the different types of cat.
wonderful chat, very entertaining and informative. You two could improve ship design and have affect on responsible engineering. Hulls are for sleeping, no windows no openings. Good on ya mates. Girls and morning sickness
Omg James and Peter awesome
Good program 😉
Excellent
See, that problem of swapping rudder and prop around, among other things, clearly shows the advantage of having a couple retractable generator-powered electric motor pods powering the props. The pods could be mounted on conventional stern-drive legs, but be able to rotate around 360 degrees to any azimuth. Rudders synch'd to each pod azimuth. A single engine and generator could be mounted centrally anywhere for optimal weight balance, weight and cost savings, and a stiff electricity source for house use. 600 volt cables run port & stbd to power the pods. No 12v DC junk anywhere, and only 24v DC or compressed air to crank over the engine and small 24v DC bank as house power backup. No shaft through-hulls, no cutlass bearings, no leaks, no paths for lightning. Most house loads would be 220 v AC single-phase, all big motors 600v 3-phase.
You make alot of good points, I've been thinking very much along those lines myself lately. I spend alot of time configuring just how I want to power my next cat (which will be electric) and I just don't see alot of advantage to conventional inboard designs whether diesel or electric for all the reasons you listed and too many others.
Plucky & James, some of the last channels out there that are still doing it for real besides Colin.
I was wondering it you two would ever cross paths. Awesome content.
In complete agreement here with Plucky on all the design safety points. If I win Powerball next week and order any of the new production monohulls I would stipulate they leave the hull uncut. Rectangular holes in the side of a hull are just wrong. Even if they showed me excellent calculations and glue specifications proving that it's the strongest part of the boat ( _and if it were why don't they build the whole boat out of that_) it would always look and feel like a stress point and I would always wonder how well the glue was mixed and applied and what time is doing to it.
And as for those marina cats - I just wouldn't go to sea on a houseboat.