How Dual Disc Clutches Work and defy basic physics

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  • @joebolognio5508
    @joebolognio5508 6 месяцев назад +7

    Great information Professor. Not at all intuitive that doubling the friction plate results in twice the clamping force which results in doubling the torque capacity. Thanks for sharing!

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +4

      Lol, yeah, it takes a bit to wrap your head around that one :) Next week you get to see how to upgrade single to a dual disc Proto Clutch!

  • @protomotive
    @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +4

    Here’s another way of representing it mathematically from a good Friend 🙂
    Clamping Force (single clutch disc): F=P×A
    Where:
    F = clamping force
    P = applied pressure
    A = surface area of friction plate
    For a dual-disc clutch: F(dual) = P(dual) x A(dual)
    Where:
    F(dual) = clamping force of the dual-disc clutch
    P(dual) = pressure applied by the dual-disc clutch (which is the same as F(single))
    A(dual) = 2A, the combined area of two equal clutch disc surfaces
    Since P(dual) = P (same pressure applied), then F(dual) = 2F (double the clamping force)
    Torque Capacity: T (dual)= F (dual) × r
    Where:
    T = torque capacity
    r = radius of clutch surface disc
    Since F(dual) = 2F(single), then T(dual) = 2T (torque capacity has double)

    • @sammybalamby
      @sammybalamby 6 месяцев назад +3

      seems easy enough (:

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +4

      @@sammybalamby probably too easy for a Math Major!

  • @mwoodall13
    @mwoodall13 6 месяцев назад +5

    This was an amazing informative video, y’all are going places. Thanks for taking the time to make this

    • @toddknighton
      @toddknighton 6 месяцев назад +5

      You're welcome. Next week we have a POV on how to upgrade from the Sachs st3 to our dual disc clutch :)

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +3

      Our pleasure!

    • @sammybalamby
      @sammybalamby 6 месяцев назад +3

      we appreciate the support! 🙏

    • @mwoodall13
      @mwoodall13 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@toddknighton I love it, I look forward to all the upcoming videos 💪

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад

      @@mwoodall13 feel free to send requests :)

  • @erikbrigham8807
    @erikbrigham8807 6 месяцев назад +5

    Great informative video!

  • @remaudy6409
    @remaudy6409 6 месяцев назад +3

    I didn’t need this info, but I throughly enjoyed learning about it.

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +3

      Thanks... So, whati info do you need?

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +3

      BTW this Sunday will be how to upgrade from a single to a dual disc clutch if that's more to your liking 😊

    • @remaudy6409
      @remaudy6409 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@protomotive just sayin a was scrolling and you popped up so I watched it. But I’ve already got a duel disk that I’m putting into my town car

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@remaudy6409 oh nice! That must be one helluva town car!

    • @remaudy6409
      @remaudy6409 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@protomotive oh man dude it’s so fun to drive

  • @jordanmascarenhas7974
    @jordanmascarenhas7974 5 месяцев назад +1

    Another fantastic upload. Keep them coming Todd 👍🏼

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  5 месяцев назад

      You're very welcome! And we'll keep trying! 😊

  • @user-th6wn6xi1g
    @user-th6wn6xi1g 6 месяцев назад +4

    Now that was a F=un video, lol :) Loved it!

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @sammybalamby
      @sammybalamby 6 месяцев назад +3

      who says math can't be f=un? 😝

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +1

      @@sammybalamby you're so punny :)

  • @MJAfifi
    @MJAfifi 6 месяцев назад +2

    whether you like it or not, wider tires grip better. many have made researches about that and they were shocked to prove that wider tires wouldn't make a difference with larger surface contact. but that has been said theoretical, however practically it doesn't apply. running a 225/55/17 wheels tends to lose grip during accelerating in a straight line rather than 275/30/19. some might say it is an unsprung weight. i say it is a larger surface patch. next time try running a 185 wheels on a drag car instead of wide slicks with no groves for increased surface contact and see how it goes. gripping on slippery ground with just your ankle as contact point has lower chance to grip than your whole foot.

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +1

      There's a lot to it for sure! It's just interesting that practical physics formulas don't say they will even though they do. And the key is in the term "sticky" tires, lol... I'll see about doing a full video on the explanation of why they do! Thanks for watching! We hope you enjoyed it :)

    • @user-th6wn6xi1g
      @user-th6wn6xi1g 6 месяцев назад +1

      And those big meats just look amazing :)

  • @dupl4doend226
    @dupl4doend226 6 месяцев назад +4

    Amazing video 👍🏽

  • @nowayjose596
    @nowayjose596 6 месяцев назад +2

    Unfortunately you misspoke at 4:03 and I think your block analogy went a little awry after that. You said "doubling the pressure and the surface area still gives us the same pressure" when you meant doubling the force. Honest mistake, but it was compounded by going back to your block analogy immediately afterwards. In reality, the pressure is being kept a constant by the pressure plate, you're doubling your surface area over which this same pressure is applied by stacking your discs, and therefore the force is doubled. In this case, it's like attaching an identical block *to the side* of the original one on the table (increased surface area in contact with the table but same pressure); placing it on top of the original block (same surface area in contact with the table but increased pressure) would be like increasing the pressure of the pressure plate with stronger springs or moving the fulcrum point. Same net result at the end, but the mechanism of action differs in both the torque capacity of the clutch as well as the block example.

    • @user-th6wn6xi1g
      @user-th6wn6xi1g 6 месяцев назад +2

      Well put and good catch! It's kind of an odd one comparing it vs. the block and f=un equation since you're able to double the force without doubling the force or clamping load of the pressure plate. They end up sharing the clamping load without losing anything. neat trick!

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +2

      yeah, I get a little tongue tied. I see it in my head, but getting it out can be a bit challenging! Either way I hope you enjoyed it!

  • @malachimarko7963
    @malachimarko7963 6 месяцев назад +4

    "Lasts longer", "doesn't slip"
    DPS6 "haha watch this"

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +3

      Ouch, I see Ford had a bit of a battle with that one!

  • @rafyg
    @rafyg 6 месяцев назад +5

    But does it still feel gradual like oem?

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +5

      Yes. And we cover that and much more in our next video on upgrading from a Sachs st3 to a Protomotive dual disc clutch. It'll come out next weekend :)

    • @rafyg
      @rafyg 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@protomotive beautiful!

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  6 месяцев назад +5

      @@rafyg I love the dual disc clutch in my Blue 996tt. So did RoadsUntraveled when they drove it for the video "we found a 1,000hp Porsche 911 turbo where you'd least expect it"

    • @user-th6wn6xi1g
      @user-th6wn6xi1g 6 месяцев назад +2

      Absolutly :) I have one and you could swear it's a stock clutch by the pedal feel. :) But can handle 1000hp easily!

  • @yllwturbo
    @yllwturbo 4 месяца назад +1

    It’s a must have clutch for Porsche owners

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  4 месяца назад +1

      We have yours here waiting for you! :)

  • @yllwturbo
    @yllwturbo 5 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome clutch ❤

    • @protomotive
      @protomotive  5 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Yes, they've become the "go to" for street high powered 996 and 997 Turbos. Even 993 and 964 Turbos are benefitting as well :)