same ! Fully enjoying my heartseeker rogue. As dumb to play as bash barb, but being ranged is love. Also not having to farm a thousand uber unique is nice. just a Shako and I'm speed farming 101
What do you mean quite alot of damage per dark shroud? Expecting nerf? They are nothing compared to barb for every fking season. Rogue needs more damage buff, even more than this PTR new tempers to kill fast and they are squishy af. Same goes for sorc and druid. Go play barbs and understand that gap
When I saw the dark shroud temper I immediately thought that this can’t stay for season 5, it’s insane, on the other hand it really balances out the key passives.
Yep but at the same time it opens so many possibilities so I hope they fix and keep it. Right now it's bugged because you lose all your bonus attack power on one on two dark shroud skill activations.
its insane to me that rogues key passives are like 500% multipliers, while sorc gets key passives with a 25% multiplier, at maximum 30%. Devs have no idea what they are doing.
@@YaeSakura3.0 oh no sorc is on its own this season they will have 2-3 fun builds but we dont have any way to survive pits so its gonna be alot of work to push deep. Druid is buffed alot and if they dont fix this bug they are gonna be insanely strong
Yeah... but none of them is for doing damage. But you are 1000% correct. Key Passives for Sorc or Druid are just pathetic when compared to f.g. Gushing Wounds or Precision. Barb: 140%[x] dmg Others: 7%[x] damage if the enemy is on the left, was frozen recently, is Vulnerable, wasn't hit yet, and it is Sunday, With everything in place you still will do 20x less dmg.
@@wilsonjp23 i mean they have builds that revolve around their ults completely. Death Trap and i just talked to someone tonight playing Shadow Clone Heartseeker. So many sorc builds are "this one is slightly better than the others so just take it"
So we went from "Every viable Rouge build needs to run Darkshroud and that is a problem" to "Lets add a temper with ~70% increased damage per darkshroud for offensive slots which outclasses most other tempers to make some key passives viable" How does that make any sense? I agree that it is cool that melee build are more viable now, but how is that a long lasting solution? At this point just remove darkshroud from the passive tree an make it an actual passive trait?!
ppl saying season 4 looks atm to be more fun then season 5 i was planning on waiting for season 5 since i thought it would fix some stuff / add even more quality of life, should i just start now?
This new dagger definitely helps alot especially for the grenade build in bossing section. right now im trying new grenade in ptr, and i can speed farming pit 91 without basic and core in my skill bar, and still really smooth. And i dont even have optimal gears and tempering.
Glad to see Exposure and Preparation making a comeback. I loved playing this way back on launch and hearing the grenades drop while Death Trap sucked everything in. Good times!
Yeah l did the math on CQC, and it turns out you mostly want to stack DS damage over CC damage. I think you can look at it in two ways: cc damage is garbage and needs a buff (specially given that it is conditional), or DS damage is overtune. I hope they adjust cqc and let DS be competitive for momentum and exposure.
They really want Dark Shroud to be the next broken OP mechanic it seems -_-. Everything that scales def and attack at the same time should be treated very carefully, I thought they learned this with overpower.
I really wanted to play a melee Rogue last season but it just didnt seem strong enough so I went barb again. Now is my time, so excited to try different variations of a flurry rogue in season 5.
Great but... with the Crown of Lucion, Locran's Talisman, and Shard of Verathiel the only real option would be the HeartSeaker or BasicSkill-based builds only. Lucion + Verathiel + Locran's + Starless Sky + Bow Moonrise + Ring Rapid + Gloves Adaptability + Doombringer (or Edgemaster) and you are done holding one button. I don't get Blizzard. They are introducing some new Uniques but at the same time they buff basic skills to the Moon (with Uniques and Aspects) that other builds struggle and nobody cares about new shiny Uniques for Core skills and others. No wonder most top builds are using Basic Skill only and don't bother about resource management, CDs, etc.
Yeah I thought the Heartseaker and Bash builds were cool at first, but I don't like that they outshine Core skill builds by so much and so easily. There are core skill builds that are good, but it seems to take a lot more work/gear to get them up to par. I don't mind basic skills being viable, especially for leveling, but I don't think they should be an end game build.
@@BatDad-qu4foI've come to like the D4 classes revolving around one core skill approach. Although, I'd much prefer 10/15 core skills Vs the 5 in other clusters.
Will it still be mandatory to lvl a Rogue for the recipes? I actually wanted to play a Sorc or a Necro since those are the two classes Ive yet to play.
That flat additive damage is still superior to CQC right? CQC stats is completely useless when facing a boss outside of stagger state. Especially so in a prolonged boss fight.
i need someone like wudi for sorcs he always has fun things going for rogue same with rob for barb...it makes me want to play the classes even though i only want to play sorc most of the time :(
@@YaeSakura3.0 thats exactly my situation i pivoted to rogue s4 because wudi made it look fun and it kinda was but i just want to play a spellcaster i need the vibe
@@michaelscott2093 they day they make sorcerer good and Stop fully Nerfing everything on her we can have fun but rn the only fun sorc gets is in PTR on bug builds that will be nerfed into the ground by the time season drops.. our barriers have been trashed, out hp is pathetic our damage is lowest in the game, could you imagine if we didn't have tal rasha?! would be 60% worse😣
We need to keep pushing this topic, I don't see anyone talking about it again and just like last ptr it is gonna be the same. We have to make them change .
@michaelhughes657 Dude FR, the temper system is so busted. I mean I'm all for the random rolls, but it needs to be coded it CANNOT roll the same affix twice. Like, wtf are we doing? Going for vulnerable damage I shouldn't roll cutthroat 6 times in a row, only to brick a piece I've been waiting HOURS of game play for.
@jordongee2347 it's hilarious when I see people say we will all have everything we want day 1 lol that's only the streamers and people who buy their gear with real money, which I hate but that's another topic. But 98 % of players will never have a perfect build ever in this game , it's just dumb privilege saying otherwise. Tempering is an easy fix, we pick the stat we want and the rng aspect of it will be the percentage on the roll, so we get what we want/ need but the value is random.
@michaelhughes657 Right, I watched someone's build video, and they had 2 ubers and they're presenting it like, oh just throw it together. I understand the tempering, and what they WANTED it to be, and all that's fine. It literally seems like an easy fix, code it so it cannot roll the same thing twice, which happens to me 97% of the time. Just last night I finally found a better bow, and I told my buddy, nice, can't wait to brick this through tempering. Went and rolled 6 rolls of cutthroat, why? Why is it rolling the same affix that many times in a row? If it's not going to be fixed, remove it. I feel like, period. Cause all it does it cause frustration about your game, and presumably drop player numbers as a result. I'm not a dev, or a coder, but, I can safely say, that's not the way.
When they fix the bugs with expkoit weakness and the totem, we will be playing Andy rogue anyway since it has been buffed to absurd levels. 500M dps is no joke :D (in a vacuum if you dont compare to other classes)
damage per dark shroud shadow is clearly overtuned with the new dark shroud rework that makes it impossible to go below max stacks. Hopefully they catch this and nerf it.
Is it really more dmg though? My Andy rogue has about 1k CC dmg so I will loose that to gain 4k additive dmg so net worth of +3k. I also have flat dmg and over time and paragon nodes so I effectively double up my additive damage which also leads into double dmg same as CQC BUT this one gives me 30% AS also which can give 1-2 more breakpoints
Isn‘t there a bug with advanced flurry not stacking up when flurry is imbued? with 10 poison imbue activations and preperation I never see us using flurry without active imbuement, making advanced flurry a wasted skill point since it never will stack
Still torn between a smoke grenade focused build and an "alchemist" style build. SG is my favorite rogue skill, but all the new potion effects seem to lean towards an alchemist rogue being a powerful setup.
If you just want to have fun, I have a SG/Arrow Storm/Dash rogue I've been playing. It's been a blast. I have the unique chest that deals shadow damage and pulls in enemies when you evade. Dash into a pack - smoke bombs drop and starts arrow storm, evade out sucks everything into the storm and they melt. Puncture and barrage to shotgun stuff for more arrow storms. I've only tried pit lvl 50. No issues there and I'm playing it for fun, not for pushing high.
Running HS with new sword and dagger and numbers are 4x already, missing the new elm that I cannot drop yet. And victimize is bugged too, so dmg will grow even higher
Well I tried that sword which makes basic skills cost resource, Preparation, high lucky hit with puncture and like Innervation at 80% lh to restore 8 energy and paingorgers. I can clear tier 100ish with it, you get infinite uptime of shadow clone from preparation. With optimal gear it will be ok. Moonrise, Adaptability, new innersight crit damage aspect, Cold clip for constant cold imbue, if you have a good talisman with frigid finesse you'll do ok. Didn't even change my paragon board, just ran it with my andariel's setup, but everything seems pretty viable if you just stack the new dark shroud damage temper and lean into using aspects to empower some niche playstyle.
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I levelled a rogue to obtain the tempers for my barb and ended up loving the rogue more than my barb. Im a convert!!
Traitor!!! lol jk I had a lot of fun doing the exact same thing(though I always come back to Barb) I enjoyed barrage a lot
@chaddrusso8850 i do love the barb still and will definately make one for season 5 but i love the ability to kite.
same ! Fully enjoying my heartseeker rogue.
As dumb to play as bash barb, but being ranged is love.
Also not having to farm a thousand uber unique is nice. just a Shako and I'm speed farming 101
What do you mean quite alot of damage per dark shroud? Expecting nerf? They are nothing compared to barb for every fking season. Rogue needs more damage buff, even more than this PTR new tempers to kill fast and they are squishy af. Same goes for sorc and druid. Go play barbs and understand that gap
When I saw the dark shroud temper I immediately thought that this can’t stay for season 5, it’s insane, on the other hand it really balances out the key passives.
Yep but at the same time it opens so many possibilities so I hope they fix and keep it. Right now it's bugged because you lose all your bonus attack power on one on two dark shroud skill activations.
its insane to me that rogues key passives are like 500% multipliers, while sorc gets key passives with a 25% multiplier, at maximum 30%. Devs have no idea what they are doing.
we get no love, no genuine buff just nerf nerf nerf 😞
they buff barb, buff rogue, TRY buff necro, fk sorcerer and druid who cares about them
@@YaeSakura3.0 oh no sorc is on its own this season they will have 2-3 fun builds but we dont have any way to survive pits so its gonna be alot of work to push deep. Druid is buffed alot and if they dont fix this bug they are gonna be insanely strong
Yeah... but none of them is for doing damage.
But you are 1000% correct. Key Passives for Sorc or Druid are just pathetic when compared to f.g. Gushing Wounds or Precision.
Barb: 140%[x] dmg
Others: 7%[x] damage if the enemy is on the left, was frozen recently, is Vulnerable, wasn't hit yet, and it is Sunday, With everything in place you still will do 20x less dmg.
Fair enough, but keep in mind that none of the Rogue's ultimate give a damage increase. Out ultimates are utility or memes.
@@wilsonjp23 i mean they have builds that revolve around their ults completely. Death Trap and i just talked to someone tonight playing Shadow Clone Heartseeker. So many sorc builds are "this one is slightly better than the others so just take it"
So we went from
"Every viable Rouge build needs to run Darkshroud and that is a problem"
to
"Lets add a temper with ~70% increased damage per darkshroud for offensive slots which outclasses most other tempers to make some key passives viable"
How does that make any sense? I agree that it is cool that melee build are more viable now, but how is that a long lasting solution?
At this point just remove darkshroud from the passive tree an make it an actual passive trait?!
ppl saying season 4 looks atm to be more fun then season 5
i was planning on waiting for season 5 since i thought it would fix some stuff / add even more quality of life, should i just start now?
i can't get Umbracrux in this shitty PTR.
This new dagger definitely helps alot especially for the grenade build in bossing section. right now im trying new grenade in ptr, and i can speed farming pit 91 without basic and core in my skill bar, and still really smooth. And i dont even have optimal gears and tempering.
Glad to see Exposure and Preparation making a comeback. I loved playing this way back on launch and hearing the grenades drop while Death Trap sucked everything in. Good times!
Yeah l did the math on CQC, and it turns out you mostly want to stack DS damage over CC damage. I think you can look at it in two ways: cc damage is garbage and needs a buff (specially given that it is conditional), or DS damage is overtune. I hope they adjust cqc and let DS be competitive for momentum and exposure.
They really want Dark Shroud to be the next broken OP mechanic it seems -_-. Everything that scales def and attack at the same time should be treated very carefully, I thought they learned this with overpower.
I really wanted to play a melee Rogue last season but it just didnt seem strong enough so I went barb again. Now is my time, so excited to try different variations of a flurry rogue in season 5.
Dont worry, I'm sure they'll see that insane damage, nerf it for the season and then it'll be back to limited key passive choices.
Great but... with the Crown of Lucion, Locran's Talisman, and Shard of Verathiel the only real option would be the HeartSeaker or BasicSkill-based builds only.
Lucion + Verathiel + Locran's + Starless Sky + Bow Moonrise + Ring Rapid + Gloves Adaptability + Doombringer (or Edgemaster) and you are done holding one button.
I don't get Blizzard. They are introducing some new Uniques but at the same time they buff basic skills to the Moon (with Uniques and Aspects) that other builds struggle and nobody cares about new shiny Uniques for Core skills and others. No wonder most top builds are using Basic Skill only and don't bother about resource management, CDs, etc.
Yeah I thought the Heartseaker and Bash builds were cool at first, but I don't like that they outshine Core skill builds by so much and so easily. There are core skill builds that are good, but it seems to take a lot more work/gear to get them up to par. I don't mind basic skills being viable, especially for leveling, but I don't think they should be an end game build.
Plz don't forget that they want to rework all old uniques until S5. There will be big surprises coming i bet 😉
@@BatDad-qu4foI've come to like the D4 classes revolving around one core skill approach.
Although, I'd much prefer 10/15 core skills Vs the 5 in other clusters.
Will it still be mandatory to lvl a Rogue for the recipes? I actually wanted to play a Sorc or a Necro since those are the two classes Ive yet to play.
Why don’t they just add [x] grenade damage so you can just use stun grenade damage tempers
The main thing for me is i want to get rid of the standard "combo points builds"
Please make your face bigger on the thumbnails, we cannot see it.
That flat additive damage is still superior to CQC right? CQC stats is completely useless when facing a boss outside of stagger state. Especially so in a prolonged boss fight.
Dmg vs cc doesn't work on boss without staggered but cqc mutilplier definitely work all the time.
It took me 4 whole seasons, but i finally got a shako for my rogue!
Is Exposure working as the most recent season 4 patch notes described in the PTR? It surely was not after the patch released in the live game
Im playing flurry right now. Super fun with those tempers.
i need someone like wudi for sorcs he always has fun things going for rogue same with rob for barb...it makes me want to play the classes even though i only want to play sorc most of the time :(
i'm Always sorc main an any game i play but diablo sorc REALLY sucks
@@YaeSakura3.0 thats exactly my situation i pivoted to rogue s4 because wudi made it look fun and it kinda was but i just want to play a spellcaster i need the vibe
@@michaelscott2093 they day they make sorcerer good and Stop fully Nerfing everything on her we can have fun but rn the only fun sorc gets is in PTR on bug builds that will be nerfed into the ground by the time season drops..
our barriers have been trashed, out hp is pathetic our damage is lowest in the game, could you imagine if we didn't have tal rasha?! would be 60% worse😣
The best we have is probably lurkin. But he doesnt post as much
@@AnatoleVGC don't forget Makuna or tho his builds can be close to impossible for most players to make
This is neat, more broken builds. But how is tempering, is that fixed in S5?
We need to keep pushing this topic, I don't see anyone talking about it again and just like last ptr it is gonna be the same. We have to make them change .
@michaelhughes657 Dude FR, the temper system is so busted. I mean I'm all for the random rolls, but it needs to be coded it CANNOT roll the same affix twice. Like, wtf are we doing? Going for vulnerable damage I shouldn't roll cutthroat 6 times in a row, only to brick a piece I've been waiting HOURS of game play for.
@jordongee2347 it's hilarious when I see people say we will all have everything we want day 1 lol that's only the streamers and people who buy their gear with real money, which I hate but that's another topic. But 98 % of players will never have a perfect build ever in this game , it's just dumb privilege saying otherwise. Tempering is an easy fix, we pick the stat we want and the rng aspect of it will be the percentage on the roll, so we get what we want/ need but the value is random.
@michaelhughes657 Right, I watched someone's build video, and they had 2 ubers and they're presenting it like, oh just throw it together.
I understand the tempering, and what they WANTED it to be, and all that's fine. It literally seems like an easy fix, code it so it cannot roll the same thing twice, which happens to me 97% of the time.
Just last night I finally found a better bow, and I told my buddy, nice, can't wait to brick this through tempering. Went and rolled 6 rolls of cutthroat, why? Why is it rolling the same affix that many times in a row?
If it's not going to be fixed, remove it. I feel like, period. Cause all it does it cause frustration about your game, and presumably drop player numbers as a result.
I'm not a dev, or a coder, but, I can safely say, that's not the way.
I'm just happy to see death trap and flurry.
When they fix the bugs with expkoit weakness and the totem, we will be playing Andy rogue anyway since it has been buffed to absurd levels. 500M dps is no joke :D (in a vacuum if you dont compare to other classes)
damage per dark shroud shadow is clearly overtuned with the new dark shroud rework that makes it impossible to go below max stacks. Hopefully they catch this and nerf it.
Is it really more dmg though? My Andy rogue has about 1k CC dmg so I will loose that to gain 4k additive dmg so net worth of +3k. I also have flat dmg and over time and paragon nodes so I effectively double up my additive damage which also leads into double dmg same as CQC BUT this one gives me 30% AS also which can give 1-2 more breakpoints
You thought Dark Shroud +4 chest pieces were expensive in S4.. yikes
Isn‘t there a bug with advanced flurry not stacking up when flurry is imbued? with 10 poison imbue activations and preperation I never see us using flurry without active imbuement, making advanced flurry a wasted skill point since it never will stack
Thanks
Damage per dark shroud is 100% going to get nerfed for S5 live.
I mean, doesn't that just scream that they're gonna nerf the value of the new Dark Shrould damage temper ?...
great, need a whole new set of gear.. this game design just doesn't work for me.
No Witnesses and Leyrana’s Instinct can also be pretty easily stacked to the max bonus without much investment, both pretty nice damage boosts.
im pretty sure they will change dmg per DS stack. its to strong.
Kind of dumb they made dark shroud even more mandatory for every single rogue build imo
I feel like flurry with the new totem unique will make for an insane build
Still torn between a smoke grenade focused build and an "alchemist" style build. SG is my favorite rogue skill, but all the new potion effects seem to lean towards an alchemist rogue being a powerful setup.
If you just want to have fun, I have a SG/Arrow Storm/Dash rogue I've been playing. It's been a blast. I have the unique chest that deals shadow damage and pulls in enemies when you evade. Dash into a pack - smoke bombs drop and starts arrow storm, evade out sucks everything into the storm and they melt. Puncture and barrage to shotgun stuff for more arrow storms. I've only tried pit lvl 50. No issues there and I'm playing it for fun, not for pushing high.
Do you think heartseeker will get stronger with build season 5?
Running HS with new sword and dagger and numbers are 4x already, missing the new elm that I cannot drop yet. And victimize is bugged too, so dmg will grow even higher
@@simonevalia1505 thanks for info i do pit 130 in season 4 i want to play again heart build but i think need little stronge :D
are clones viable yet?
No. Still bug report it to blizzard.
Well I tried that sword which makes basic skills cost resource, Preparation, high lucky hit with puncture and like Innervation at 80% lh to restore 8 energy and paingorgers. I can clear tier 100ish with it, you get infinite uptime of shadow clone from preparation. With optimal gear it will be ok. Moonrise, Adaptability, new innersight crit damage aspect, Cold clip for constant cold imbue, if you have a good talisman with frigid finesse you'll do ok. Didn't even change my paragon board, just ran it with my andariel's setup, but everything seems pretty viable if you just stack the new dark shroud damage temper and lean into using aspects to empower some niche playstyle.
Nope 😂
Good job devs
how rain of arrows hakan?
Exposure in pvp is killer right now, fyi
Rogue looks kinda good. Time to nerf necro and buff barb some more.
They need to nerf the mobility and movement speed of necro because it's op atm
@@Lordllloflllshadow i cant wait till they see the play rate of that bloodmist "mobility" aspect be zero...
Dark shroud season
This is gonna be odd season. If u know, u know #disbandOddSeasonsTeam
Watching this,(Sorcerer) makes me so angry 😡
Love your content wudi you are a legend