When I trained in karate, my sensei refused to have different ranking systems for children and adults. He also judged all students by the same criteria with one exception; he would not test a student for a black belt until they reached age 18. Some students may have felt like they were being held back, but overall it did mean that a 14 year old with a blue belt would have a similar level of skill and ability in our dojo as a 25 year old with the same belt. In local tournaments our students performed quite well, especially in sparring, and in the national tournaments we did, our students also performed quite well, often placing for medals in multiple categories. Watching these videos, I am just disappointed at how staged they are, because I have seen kids legitimately trounce adults in point sparring without the use of video editing and choreography
My Sensei also would not test a child for a black belt because he believes that a person needs the mental capacity to understand the power to kill, and that does not come in the early years. As for small children and black belts, he would say 'why wear a black belt if you can be hit over the head a knocked out by the average adult'. I would never disagree with my Sensei, and I strongly agree with him about children and teenagers not having black belts.
When I did Shorinji Kempo, we had a kid black belt (I think he was a couple of years older than the rest of us, which would have made him 13/14 when he ranked for black belt) but that dude had serious skills, and the belt was well deserved.
totally agree - there was a case here in the Philippines several years ago (all I remember it was before COVID, so maybe 2018-19). where this kid who's in the National team for Taekwondo was using his skill as a bullying tool. His older brother wasn't any better. So one time he cornered this other kid in the bathroom and said "choose, dignity or pain (roughly translated). If you choose dignity, just come over here and lick my shoe." Kid stood his ground and you can pretty much guess what happened to the other kid. The kicker was that the bully's parents were influential so he was effectively untouchable. Long story short - totally agree that a student has to understand that a Black Belt turns him into a weapon and he has to be prepared for it.
We had a system where you had to be 16 to get a black belt but if you earned one before, it was a “junior black belt” with a white stripe through it. You could test for an adult black the day you turned 16 if you wanted to. I kinda like that system. As an adult I train BJJ and they won’t even give you a blue belt until you turn 16. They’re way more strict about it and I think for good reason. In BJJ, a blue belt means you can take pretty much anybody who’s untrained (ignoring massive differences in size, age, and athleticism of course). I think the worst thing you can do is hand a black belt to someone who couldn’t use their skills to defend themselves against an untrained attacker.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG my guy black belt means that you have mastered every important form of kata and you mind as well in your karate which takes 10 years atleast i dont understand how 8 year olds even have black belts,your sensei was correct
Literally her kicks were so slow anyone could catch it and then sweep the other leg or just do a take down u don't need much skill for that she's much shorter so their would be mo way for her to even reach the dude with a punch
Dude, I love your videos. So entertaining AND informative AND funny! You've reignited my love of martial arts, and I couldn't thank you more. I forgot how much I loved it
My 10 yr old son has been training Gracie JJ for nearly 3 yrs. He's had well over 200 hours of Submission grappling and is starting IBJJF tournaments in the 90.9LB division next week. He's also been training in Muay Thai for a little over a year, and was almost a Kenpo green belt when he stopped to focus on the former two arts. Even with his training, a medium sized adult male with ill intentions could still overpower him, but they would have a very hard time and my hope is that he'd put up such a fight that they might give up or he'd create enough of a scene that they won't want the attention.
I dont hate on kids having black belts if they truly earned it. Theirs a 16 year old kid with a bjj bb at my local Gracie Barra. His dad is an instructor and has been teaching him jj since he could walk. The kid also has incredible muay thai.
@@kanucks9 Yep I was that kid in grappling. HS and earlier judo and BJJ on off season. Was tapping adults as a built 15 year old. We should be treated as adults.
Great video Seth! I'm surprised this channel isn't getting nearly as many views or subs as I expected. Keep it going and I'm sure it'll end up being worth it tho! Nice content!
i love it! i didn’t know about this channel until he mentioned on his latest main channel video! i imagine plenty of people were in the same bout as me
I've never seen any one with any sort of black belt, represented it as how it was described here. Which is the issue, they self delude into thinking they can actually fight. Or they're indoctrinated by thier coaches into thinking the same, I had friends in highschool with red belts who weren't even physically capable of high kicks or any true forms of dexterity.
Seth I have to say that I agree with your take on youth blackbelts 100%. I started learning martial arts a few months before turning six (if I remember right) and I earned my black belt about sixish years later when I was 11. Does that make my belt invalid? no. do I understand that it's just a belt ? yes. I feel like there's a big difference in those kids who earn their black belts young and just quit vs those who earn it and keep training. like yes, I got my black belt at 11 but I'm still training now at almost 19. i've taught for a little over four years now, i've joined a whole new style while in college (Judo!!), started going to some of the strictly BJJ classes over the summer, experimented with martial arts tricking, and all in all I just keep learning. Not trying to talk bad about those kids who earn it and just leave, but you have to admit that there's a difference between earning a blackbelt as a kid and dropping the sport vs those who earn the belt at a younger age and continue training. I feel like those who just drop the sport after earning the belt don't understand the true "meaning" of the belt, that it's just a belt. not sure if all this makes sense but yeah, that's my take on all of this
I like how the belts are in bjj. How it can take a ridiculous amount of time to get a black belt, and how they separate belts for kids (in bjj thats 15 and under). In bjj if you get a black belt in 10 years then you did really good. Most people it can take even longer.
When I was doing TKD, my Sifu actually had to 'ban' me from doing evasive moves during sparring one time, because I just kept backing up away from hits. That's what Selorm vs Teyah immediately reminded me of.
Size counts for a ton. When my youngest was 5, he entered into a local TKD competition. He had about 2 weeks of practice. The final score of his first sparring match was 37-2 . My son had the 2. The other kid was also knocked to the ground 8 times and limped off the mat. It is not what you think though (probably). The other kid was very skilled. However, the conservation of momentum are no respector of belt color. Any time the other kid landed any kind of push kick, he would be the one flying backwards because he was half my son's size.
Yeah people that say size dosnt matter in a fight have never been in a fight Like ive never properly done martial arts im fairly athlete with a good amount of muscle and a little fight experience but i know although a kid can be more skill full there is no getting around the strength and weight difference although i feel marital arts are great for kids especially for self defense against bullys in school hopefully the kids getting taught nowadays know not to pick fights with adults
@@Cailean_MacCoinnich I take it you are not familiar with Martial Arts. Little kid Tae Kwon Do matches do not resemble fights in the least. I have coached over 60 youth sports teams in 5 different sports. I've coached kids as young as 3 and as old as 18. While not a master by any means, I have several years experience in Wrestling, Jujitsu, and Tae Kwon Do. Kids are far more likely to get hurt playing soccer or basketball that Tae Kwon Do. At the younger ages they even looks more like fights than Ta Kwon Do matches too :) I actually took up Jujitsu because it is actually a comparatively low impact sport that is easier on my bad joints than many other non martial arts options. The level of discipline, respect, and self confidence that children can gain from studying martial arts is second to none. Finally, studying martial arts actually decreases the probability that kids will get into a fight. They have the discipline and respect not to start fights with others. The confidence prevents others from trying to start a with them.
@@Cailean_MacCoinnich I'm gonna take that one seriously. So I live in India. I started sending my twin girls to Karate because the local dojo sensei would take kids at that age under 4 years. But the general idea was self defence because they would grow up in India. And schools here even paying ones are insane. It's not kansas. It's points karate so the other critique I'd get on line is that its a waste of time for self defence. So can't be both though eh. What I have noticed after their first competition. They have two types katas or dance forms really which I hope you agree is not a reportable thing. And Kumite. Technically that's sparring but for girls in Bangalore at the competition we attended and also in training its more about taking turns and tapping with control perhaps showing off extension when attempting kicks. There is no animosity or aggression until girls get to over seven years old. Then I don't know what to do. They have shin pads gloves booties which I think protect their hands and feet chest protectors and if they wanted to enter competitions by 8 years old which would be State level and if they won gold qualify them for nationals I'd invest in a better helmet. They wouldnt' get concussed at that age but it would protect their eyes. And the shock of getting a punch or kick to the face. I guess if they lived in the West it would be less important. But they will be growing up in India. And you'd have to stay here to see the culture that exists here the lack of a professional police force that investigates crime or serves a community and then your comment might be but is this enough. Next year I'm sending them for Kalaripayattu on the weekends and incorporating BJJ/MMA kids self defence classes with less Karate from age 7. But I'm guessing you live in the West. You could try reporting me in Bangalore but I have no idea whom you would report me to or how you might go about doing that. And I don't think you care about my girls much when push comes to shove. Doing what I think may prove best for them but winging it here
As long as the school doesn't treat a black belt as any sort of "master" then I'm fine with a child getting a black belt. If it's recognized that a black belt is still a learner and any ego is nipped in the bud then I'm fine with it.
If you spent a long time achieving something there is nothing wrong with having ego because of it but being rude because of having an ego is the problem, an ego doesn't mean you have to be an ass.
In case you read it: How does it work the belt awarding system where you live? It sounds strange to me that different places have different methods or standarts to award them When I did Kendo in Spain, they were some official exams with judges of the Spanish Kendo Federation, so the standart was the same for everyone (I believe in Karate is the same, no idea in other martial arts but I can imagine it works in a similar fashion)
Todos los estilos son diferentes y cada estilo tiene su propio sistema, en mi estilo solo hay 3 cintos (blanco, marrón y negro) pero hay escuelas que ponen cintos intermedios para motivar especialmente a los niños
So was everything I just said it makes it easier to believe that this girl can do a whole lot of training from whatever age she started until the age as she is now
Im not trying to pick on the dudes.......but why are there never any dudes with actual testosterone in these vids? Its always like the cast of try guys or big bang theory
My daughter is 9 years old. It took her 6 years to earn her black belt (World Taekwondo). During our school's black belt ceremony we're told we have only learned the basics and this is just the beginning. From this point forward it's time to work on refining those techniques we've learned while continuing to learn new things as we progress to second degree (and beyond). We know that our black belt doesn't automatically mean we can kick someone's ass. Our school practices full contact sparring (with protective gear). Though, "full contact" depends on the confidence and attitude of the students (kids and adults alike). A lot of kids don't seem to understand what it is to fight so they don't put in a lot of effort to land punches and kicks. My wife and I push our daughter to do her best by keeping her guard up, look for openings to attack, do combinations of techniques, etc. We push the other students to do the same. Sometimes to the detriment of our daughter... she took a pretty solid side kick to the throat at her last sparring class and had trouble breathing for a few minutes. Sometimes punches to the head are not allowed (typical WT sparring rules) and when we're using boxing gloves they are. We used to take TKD classes 5 days/week (Mon-Fri). We added a tumbling class for our daughter on Tue. so removed her from TKD class that day to give her a little break. She also has a tricking class on Sun. My wife and I are down to 4 days/week for TKD. We added kickboxing on Sat. mornings (all three of us) for more full contact sparring experience so we removed Thu. TKD classes. We need the break!
As a former cop, I cant tell you how many times I come to a scene where a black belt that is small or female is hurt BAD taking on some thug. These dojos sell false confidence. End of the day, the best way to lose a fight, is not be in one.
I've already been on the Mr Miyagi stance of belts... belt in okinawa means no longer need rope to hold up pants..but in all seriosness, I think it was during my blue belt grading my Sensei said to me forget about the belt, I have like 30 blackbelts which you could wear, but will the colour of your belt change your ability to do Karate. Focus on your techniques. Was interesting cause whenever I was asked what colour belt I was at school and things would always make something up like Tangerine belt.. cause its a much nicer colour.
Dude wishes he looked like you Seth! I'm learning more through your reaction videos! A child black belt would have a huge advantage over an adult if, God forbid, someone was trying to kidnap him or her, right?
It depends on what you mean by "a huge advantage." The way I would use the phrase would be that the side with the huge advantage will win a super-majority of the encounters. The more fair interpretation of it may be that in tallying each side's strengths and weaknesses, the black belt may account for a large tally in favor of its holder with no mention of overall likelihood of victory, though. In my experience boxing, weight classes are a thing for a reason. I don't care how good an 80 pound kid is at striking, they're never knocking a 215 pound adult out cold without weapons. If you put someone in an arm bar, but they can bicep curl you, the arm bar isn't going to hurt them even if it's delivered with perfect form because they're just going to fold you in half. Now the black belt may be a huge advantage in that it will allow the child to identify opportunities to strike and escape. Where I see the huge advantage for a child black belt against an evil adult isn't against the evil adult, it's over an otherwise identical child without the black belt. The chance of escape or creating enough commotion to affect a rescue increases with training. The chance of victory remains low, but is increased, and the chance of holding out for help is also increased.
Did he get engaged? I dont know but i do know that sensei seth did so that shows who the better looking guy is and also gives proof that you dont look alike.
Commenting for algorithm Almost entirely staged right? No way that woman did 220 punches without getting completely gassed, and then they did the dodge stuff AFTER. And the nebulus 'intensity' stats make me really question here
I think kicking with the foot is entirely dependent on how clear your shot is/the speed in which someone can place meaningful barriers. Kicking at head height for example you're far more likely to meet forearm than any other bony structure, sure you could say the skull, but let's be real nobody is defending a headkick with their forehead. As you go further down the body the risk of hitting large promenent bones increases. The elbows (maybe even knees) for the mid section, and the entire knee, shin when facing leg kicks.
5:10 breaking boards with the top of the foot is crazy, and that foot protection will only make it more difficult to break. When you break with a circular kick (mawashi/dollyo) you have to strike with the ball of the foot.
No, you don't. As Muay Thai conditions the shin, karate can (and does) condition the instep. I've seen many martial artists destroy boards with the top of their foot, without the slightest issue. The more you know.....
my firend has made nationals in karate multiable times.hes 17 now and has been training for what i know 8/9 years and hes still a brown belt since you have to be 18+ to be a black belt.He fights black belts and way older openents since hes around 205 cm and 90+ kg
Kids black belts? Yes, if they also have to go through the gauntlet, fighting 20-100 people full contact. Sure. Broken noses, arms and ribs. They wanna go through that...they earned the belt.
I wonder how fast black belts are earned nowadays. As a kid, I think it took me 5 years to get a 1st degree black belt. I also failed 2-3 belt tests as well.
Little child: "tell me a scary story for bed time!" Daddy: *thinks a few seconds* "And the 7 year old received his black belt in Taekwondo after just 2 years of practise." This whole thing is so hilarious! Just look at her "punches" she throws after taking down her opponents! They are simply weak! Absolutely ZERO energy behind them! Just a worthless waving of the arm.
That elbow is called a reverse elbow. I learned it in TKD as a kid, it was in one of the forms, and I relearned it in Muay Thai. Anderson Silva famously used a reverse elbow to knock sn opponent before. They are not using it correctly in the video though.
Yeah, that's why my trainer tells us to avoid any fight and run as fast as we can. He never gave us a false sense of reality, as we don't do Taekwondo to become professional fighters
@@sommerelb8198 thats great, not gonna lie. to many teachers of traditional martial arts are way to delusional. i´ve been to a karate school in my early days of kickboxing because i was a very inexperienced martial artist and thought i could learn a few things there with some cross training since i also had the free time to do it and it turned out to be one of those schools where no one ever touches anyone and theres a big focus on doing self defense stuff in slow motion without any resistence and kata´s... but the way the teacher (or sensei as he liked to call himself) presented himself and the ability of his students was like they are absolute beasts but have to avoid any fight ever because they could get in trouble with the law when they found out that they trained here since they learned how to be so vicious with their bodys while in reality every single one of them where completely dead after the relatively basic warm up drills in the beginning and i could have beaten up all of them with my 4 months of kickboxing at this point. moral of the story... dont trust anyone who trys to tell you his fists are registered as weapons and cant run a mile without getting a cardiac arrest. (oh and by the way, i know that normal karate schools arent like that, in most of them you dont really learn how to fight either. but i am aware that my case was a bit extreme for a karate school)
Getting a black belt is certainly an achievement but it has no link to fighting skill, self defence skill or anything like that. In my opinion the achievement of obtaining a black belt is like getting through army training and then after that you can go to war (aka: the real work starts if you're willing to keep pursuing your art).
back when i did karate, my instructor said a black belt meant you were no longer a beginner and that you were qualified to teach others the basics on your own.
I'm a 6'1, 190 lbs, first degree black belt, and I train in multiple styles. If I was fighting someone several times my size and strength, I'd still not bet on myself. It would literally be similar to me fighting a gorilla. Don't get me wrong, I've sparred people several inches taller, and significantly stronger than me, be the difference between that girl and that man is significant. In a knife fight though, size matters less :D
That's always going to be a factor regardless. There will always be someone out there who is naturally bigger and tougher. In the context of this video, that shouldn't matter. Amanda Nunes is absolutely fantastic, but she couldn't hope to fight Francis Ngannou. That doesn't make her skills any less than they are.
I mean I've kind felt ashamed about getting my black belt when I was 12 but I made sure I ingrained it in my mindset to kind of push my capabilities to the utmost intensity, and with days which I just get tired because of all the conditioning I get frustrated and embarassed because I get really sloppy and not up to "black belt level" standard. I have seen the stereotypical child black belts and I do think that some may need to be reevaluated, but it really depends as (with the influence of the martial arts community crapping on TKD) I've kind of been trying to prove that TKD is at least not so much a dumpster pile or a daycare as a but worthy sport to the very least. As for the Olympic TKD... I hate front leg kickers.
Just gotta say, found your channel tonight and love your attitude of “obviously a kid’s physically weaker, but they’re training, so why not make them black belts?” Even at 10, my parents were having a hell of a time controlling me. Imagining having some legit training… would (having worked at a dojo) probably meant I’d have been getting into stupid fights less often.
From what I was taught about black belts it's evidence of knowledge and discipline to demonstrate dedication to learning an art. The black belt is not mastery, it's the point at which you begin really learning what your martial art is. If the black belt were evidence of mastery, you'd not need ranks above black belt. There is a weird mysticism (dare I say elitism) surrounding the significance of what a black is and what it isn't. If a kid demonstrates knowledge and discipline (just like any other practitioner of the art) then why should they not be able to test for and receive their black belt? Also an MMA trained fighter, even a child, who can't land a single punch on an untrained adult? I think she needs a better instructor.
Fully agree black belt is really just the start of ur martial arts journey its really just a mile stone of staying with the art not really anything else
My sister was sixteen-years older than I. She would beat the crap out of me just because she could. We move forward thirty-five years and my sister, through her drug and sex abuse, needs a kidney. We're the same blood type (B, RH negative), not the rarest blood type, but rare enough it's makes finding a match quite difficult. I waited around until her need became critical. I spoke with her nephrologist and explained our history as estranged siblings. Her nephrologist looked at me and said: "whoa man, let her die". so, I did.
i can remember a mixed training camp training with a kid(around 12 i was like 21) that did taek won do i was still a yellow belt in german jujutsu back then and that kid was FAST what he did didnt really hurt or anything but i really had no idea what to do other then smash my self into him xD
Ahhh yes smiling and leaving your chin exposed in your stance the modern-day equivalent of samurais calling their opponents honey to throw them off guard lmfao
Yeah, the guy at 10:45 totally didn't look like Seth. Seth is wearing a plain black T, and the other guy was wearing a branded (black) t-shirt. Completely different. :)
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You'd think Seth's twin brother would have been taught karate too growing up.
I DONT LOOK LIKE HIM
@@SenseiSeth its ok seth we all know you are the superior sibling
@@SenseiSeth not all twins are identical
Sensei twin brother was chosen to be a poet not a warrior
Clearly this is a psychological experiment.
When I trained in karate, my sensei refused to have different ranking systems for children and adults. He also judged all students by the same criteria with one exception; he would not test a student for a black belt until they reached age 18. Some students may have felt like they were being held back, but overall it did mean that a 14 year old with a blue belt would have a similar level of skill and ability in our dojo as a 25 year old with the same belt. In local tournaments our students performed quite well, especially in sparring, and in the national tournaments we did, our students also performed quite well, often placing for medals in multiple categories. Watching these videos, I am just disappointed at how staged they are, because I have seen kids legitimately trounce adults in point sparring without the use of video editing and choreography
My Sensei also would not test a child for a black belt because he believes that a person needs the mental capacity to understand the power to kill, and that does not come in the early years. As for small children and black belts, he would say 'why wear a black belt if you can be hit over the head a knocked out by the average adult'. I would never disagree with my Sensei, and I strongly agree with him about children and teenagers not having black belts.
When I did Shorinji Kempo, we had a kid black belt (I think he was a couple of years older than the rest of us, which would have made him 13/14 when he ranked for black belt) but that dude had serious skills, and the belt was well deserved.
totally agree - there was a case here in the Philippines several years ago (all I remember it was before COVID, so maybe 2018-19). where this kid who's in the National team for Taekwondo was using his skill as a bullying tool. His older brother wasn't any better. So one time he cornered this other kid in the bathroom and said "choose, dignity or pain (roughly translated). If you choose dignity, just come over here and lick my shoe." Kid stood his ground and you can pretty much guess what happened to the other kid. The kicker was that the bully's parents were influential so he was effectively untouchable. Long story short - totally agree that a student has to understand that a Black Belt turns him into a weapon and he has to be prepared for it.
We had a system where you had to be 16 to get a black belt but if you earned one before, it was a “junior black belt” with a white stripe through it. You could test for an adult black the day you turned 16 if you wanted to. I kinda like that system. As an adult I train BJJ and they won’t even give you a blue belt until you turn 16. They’re way more strict about it and I think for good reason. In BJJ, a blue belt means you can take pretty much anybody who’s untrained (ignoring massive differences in size, age, and athleticism of course). I think the worst thing you can do is hand a black belt to someone who couldn’t use their skills to defend themselves against an untrained attacker.
@@CaPnBaLlBaG my guy black belt means that you have mastered every important form of kata and you mind as well in your karate which takes 10 years atleast i dont understand how 8 year olds even have black belts,your sensei was correct
"i cannot wait to fight this child" is such prime meme material, glad you caught it seth, i would have let that slip by lol
Just as "I thought it would be easier to stay on top of that young girl" xD
4:16 no real indication? the girl is a 2nd degree black belt and only 11 years old. its taekwondo
Great comment
The dojo is Shorin Ryu and the sensei has a background in TKD before transitioning.
Wtf taekwondo even. It gets worse.
There are literally hundreds of 11 year old blackbelts in Japan and Okinawa.
@@randomstuff4762 Taekwondo is awesome 🥺🥺🥺
For what it’s worth
I don’t think you have a bad beard.
Seth's "come hither" pose was much more seductive and alluring than the other Seth's.
It is outrageous how long it’s taking for this channel to become profitable! Love these and the main channel stuff, Seth.
"They weight twice as much, just be agressive AF and you should win" ohh... they're fighting for points
Literally her kicks were so slow anyone could catch it and then sweep the other leg or just do a take down u don't need much skill for that she's much shorter so their would be mo way for her to even reach the dude with a punch
Dude, I love your videos. So entertaining AND informative AND funny! You've reignited my love of martial arts, and I couldn't thank you more. I forgot how much I loved it
If a 200 lbs dude fought a 11 year old regardless of the belt (apart from some cases) it would not end well.
Great work as usual. I’m really liking this new format.
My 10 yr old son has been training Gracie JJ for nearly 3 yrs. He's had well over 200 hours of Submission grappling and is starting IBJJF tournaments in the 90.9LB division next week. He's also been training in Muay Thai for a little over a year, and was almost a Kenpo green belt when he stopped to focus on the former two arts. Even with his training, a medium sized adult male with ill intentions could still overpower him, but they would have a very hard time and my hope is that he'd put up such a fight that they might give up or he'd create enough of a scene that they won't want the attention.
I dont hate on kids having black belts if they truly earned it. Theirs a 16 year old kid with a bjj bb at my local Gracie Barra. His dad is an instructor and has been teaching him jj since he could walk. The kid also has incredible muay thai.
A 16 year old is essentially an adult, as far as fighting is concerned. (Depends on the person)
A 9 year old is not.
@@kanucks9 I agree.
@@kanucks9 Yep I was that kid in grappling. HS and earlier judo and BJJ on off season. Was tapping adults as a built 15 year old.
We should be treated as adults.
@@forteastro6996 Best you get a job and earn some money then.
Great video Seth! I'm surprised this channel isn't getting nearly as many views or subs as I expected. Keep it going and I'm sure it'll end up being worth it tho! Nice content!
i love it! i didn’t know about this channel until he mentioned on his latest main channel video! i imagine plenty of people were in the same bout as me
Did it feel good finding your twin :P Nice vids man usually get a good laugh from your reacts vids so ty mate. GOD Bless.
Great content as always!
Omg i love your sense of humour 🤣😆
This is the dojo I train at in Southern California. It's a Shorin Ryu dojo.
I've never seen any one with any sort of black belt, represented it as how it was described here. Which is the issue, they self delude into thinking they can actually fight. Or they're indoctrinated by thier coaches into thinking the same, I had friends in highschool with red belts who weren't even physically capable of high kicks or any true forms of dexterity.
Seth I have to say that I agree with your take on youth blackbelts 100%. I started learning martial arts a few months before turning six (if I remember right) and I earned my black belt about sixish years later when I was 11. Does that make my belt invalid? no. do I understand that it's just a belt ? yes.
I feel like there's a big difference in those kids who earn their black belts young and just quit vs those who earn it and keep training. like yes, I got my black belt at 11 but I'm still training now at almost 19. i've taught for a little over four years now, i've joined a whole new style while in college (Judo!!), started going to some of the strictly BJJ classes over the summer, experimented with martial arts tricking, and all in all I just keep learning.
Not trying to talk bad about those kids who earn it and just leave, but you have to admit that there's a difference between earning a blackbelt as a kid and dropping the sport vs those who earn the belt at a younger age and continue training. I feel like those who just drop the sport after earning the belt don't understand the true "meaning" of the belt, that it's just a belt.
not sure if all this makes sense but yeah, that's my take on all of this
I like how the belts are in bjj. How it can take a ridiculous amount of time to get a black belt, and how they separate belts for kids (in bjj thats 15 and under). In bjj if you get a black belt in 10 years then you did really good. Most people it can take even longer.
When I was doing TKD, my Sifu actually had to 'ban' me from doing evasive moves during sparring one time, because I just kept backing up away from hits. That's what Selorm vs Teyah immediately reminded me of.
Isn't "sifu" a Chinese term? Why would your TKD instructor be called that?
@@RUclipsCommenter1because I'm dumb and got that wrong, I meant Sabumnim 😂
@@PedroBenolielBonito fair enough 😂
Size counts for a ton. When my youngest was 5, he entered into a local TKD competition. He had about 2 weeks of practice. The final score of his first sparring match was 37-2 . My son had the 2.
The other kid was also knocked to the ground 8 times and limped off the mat. It is not what you think though (probably). The other kid was very skilled. However, the conservation of momentum are no respector of belt color. Any time the other kid landed any kind of push kick, he would be the one flying backwards because he was half my son's size.
Yeah people that say size dosnt matter in a fight have never been in a fight Like ive never properly done martial arts im fairly athlete with a good amount of muscle and a little fight experience but i know although a kid can be more skill full there is no getting around the strength and weight difference although i feel marital arts are great for kids especially for self defense against bullys in school hopefully the kids getting taught nowadays know not to pick fights with adults
Parents who let their children fight in competitions at age 5 should be reported to child services.
@@Cailean_MacCoinnich to be fair worked out quite well for people like khabib
@@Cailean_MacCoinnich I take it you are not familiar with Martial Arts. Little kid Tae Kwon Do matches do not resemble fights in the least. I have coached over 60 youth sports teams in 5 different sports. I've coached kids as young as 3 and as old as 18. While not a master by any means, I have several years experience in Wrestling, Jujitsu, and Tae Kwon Do.
Kids are far more likely to get hurt playing soccer or basketball that Tae Kwon Do. At the younger ages they even looks more like fights than Ta Kwon Do matches too :)
I actually took up Jujitsu because it is actually a comparatively low impact sport that is easier on my bad joints than many other non martial arts options.
The level of discipline, respect, and self confidence that children can gain from studying martial arts is second to none.
Finally, studying martial arts actually decreases the probability that kids will get into a fight. They have the discipline and respect not to start fights with others. The confidence prevents others from trying to start a with them.
@@Cailean_MacCoinnich I'm gonna take that one seriously. So I live in India. I started sending my twin girls to Karate because the local dojo sensei would take kids at that age under 4 years. But the general idea was self defence because they would grow up in India. And schools here even paying ones are insane. It's not kansas. It's points karate so the other critique I'd get on line is that its a waste of time for self defence. So can't be both though eh. What I have noticed after their first competition. They have two types katas or dance forms really which I hope you agree is not a reportable thing. And Kumite. Technically that's sparring but for girls in Bangalore at the competition we attended and also in training its more about taking turns and tapping with control perhaps showing off extension when attempting kicks. There is no animosity or aggression until girls get to over seven years old. Then I don't know what to do. They have shin pads gloves booties which I think protect their hands and feet chest protectors and if they wanted to enter competitions by 8 years old which would be State level and if they won gold qualify them for nationals I'd invest in a better helmet. They wouldnt' get concussed at that age but it would protect their eyes. And the shock of getting a punch or kick to the face. I guess if they lived in the West it would be less important. But they will be growing up in India. And you'd have to stay here to see the culture that exists here the lack of a professional police force that investigates crime or serves a community and then your comment might be but is this enough. Next year I'm sending them for Kalaripayattu on the weekends and incorporating BJJ/MMA kids self defence classes with less Karate from age 7. But I'm guessing you live in the West. You could try reporting me in Bangalore but I have no idea whom you would report me to or how you might go about doing that. And I don't think you care about my girls much when push comes to shove. Doing what I think may prove best for them but winging it here
AAAHHH!! HIS BREAKFALL!! JUANS BREAKFALL WAS TOO GOOD for "no experience".😶😵💫🤯
"If you make yourself into a ball you cant hurt so much" -Seth. Wise words man
As long as the school doesn't treat a black belt as any sort of "master" then I'm fine with a child getting a black belt. If it's recognized that a black belt is still a learner and any ego is nipped in the bud then I'm fine with it.
At my school the grandmaster always emphasizes that a black belt is just a white belt that never gives up.
@@realemperorkuzco great mindset it's really just someone with dedication then a true master
If you spent a long time achieving something there is nothing wrong with having ego because of it but being rude because of having an ego is the problem, an ego doesn't mean you have to be an ass.
That guy may have a slight resemblance but he doesn't have the chubby suprise
The instructor's voice is killing me. He sounds like a cartoon character.
You look kind of similar to that guy in the mma video ngl
In case you read it:
How does it work the belt awarding system where you live? It sounds strange to me that different places have different methods or standarts to award them
When I did Kendo in Spain, they were some official exams with judges of the Spanish Kendo Federation, so the standart was the same for everyone (I believe in Karate is the same, no idea in other martial arts but I can imagine it works in a similar fashion)
Todos los estilos son diferentes y cada estilo tiene su propio sistema, en mi estilo solo hay 3 cintos (blanco, marrón y negro) pero hay escuelas que ponen cintos intermedios para motivar especialmente a los niños
So was everything I just said it makes it easier to believe that this girl can do a whole lot of training from whatever age she started until the age as she is now
Great reactions 3 mins is crazy haha
Im not trying to pick on the dudes.......but why are there never any dudes with actual testosterone in these vids? Its always like the cast of try guys or big bang theory
This is the staff of Buzzfeed were talking about.
My daughter is 9 years old. It took her 6 years to earn her black belt (World Taekwondo). During our school's black belt ceremony we're told we have only learned the basics and this is just the beginning. From this point forward it's time to work on refining those techniques we've learned while continuing to learn new things as we progress to second degree (and beyond). We know that our black belt doesn't automatically mean we can kick someone's ass.
Our school practices full contact sparring (with protective gear). Though, "full contact" depends on the confidence and attitude of the students (kids and adults alike). A lot of kids don't seem to understand what it is to fight so they don't put in a lot of effort to land punches and kicks. My wife and I push our daughter to do her best by keeping her guard up, look for openings to attack, do combinations of techniques, etc. We push the other students to do the same. Sometimes to the detriment of our daughter... she took a pretty solid side kick to the throat at her last sparring class and had trouble breathing for a few minutes. Sometimes punches to the head are not allowed (typical WT sparring rules) and when we're using boxing gloves they are.
We used to take TKD classes 5 days/week (Mon-Fri). We added a tumbling class for our daughter on Tue. so removed her from TKD class that day to give her a little break. She also has a tricking class on Sun. My wife and I are down to 4 days/week for TKD. We added kickboxing on Sat. mornings (all three of us) for more full contact sparring experience so we removed Thu. TKD classes. We need the break!
so there are loop kick classes now.... i was born at the right and wrong time lol
As a former cop, I cant tell you how many times I come to a scene where a black belt that is small or female is hurt BAD taking on some thug. These dojos sell false confidence.
End of the day, the best way to lose a fight, is not be in one.
I've already been on the Mr Miyagi stance of belts... belt in okinawa means no longer need rope to hold up pants..but in all seriosness, I think it was during my blue belt grading my Sensei said to me forget about the belt, I have like 30 blackbelts which you could wear, but will the colour of your belt change your ability to do Karate. Focus on your techniques. Was interesting cause whenever I was asked what colour belt I was at school and things would always make something up like Tangerine belt.. cause its a much nicer colour.
You are hilarious 😂
Dude wishes he looked like you Seth! I'm learning more through your reaction videos! A child black belt would have a huge advantage over an adult if, God forbid, someone was trying to kidnap him or her, right?
Depends how uncoordinated the adult is, really
Training is always better than NOT training though!
@@SenseiSeth Too true, too true
It depends on what you mean by "a huge advantage." The way I would use the phrase would be that the side with the huge advantage will win a super-majority of the encounters. The more fair interpretation of it may be that in tallying each side's strengths and weaknesses, the black belt may account for a large tally in favor of its holder with no mention of overall likelihood of victory, though.
In my experience boxing, weight classes are a thing for a reason. I don't care how good an 80 pound kid is at striking, they're never knocking a 215 pound adult out cold without weapons. If you put someone in an arm bar, but they can bicep curl you, the arm bar isn't going to hurt them even if it's delivered with perfect form because they're just going to fold you in half. Now the black belt may be a huge advantage in that it will allow the child to identify opportunities to strike and escape.
Where I see the huge advantage for a child black belt against an evil adult isn't against the evil adult, it's over an otherwise identical child without the black belt. The chance of escape or creating enough commotion to affect a rescue increases with training. The chance of victory remains low, but is increased, and the chance of holding out for help is also increased.
Did he get engaged? I dont know but i do know that sensei seth did so that shows who the better looking guy is and also gives proof that you dont look alike.
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Almost entirely staged right? No way that woman did 220 punches without getting completely gassed, and then they did the dodge stuff AFTER. And the nebulus 'intensity' stats make me really question here
Your long lost twin? Look a lot alike, sensei!!
Anyone else kinda new and notice the scar at the bottom of Seth’s neck? And now you’re kinda curious?
Where I train, kids are awarded "Honorary black belts"
I've seen thick cardboard boxes that are harder to break than karate boards
I think kicking with the foot is entirely dependent on how clear your shot is/the speed in which someone can place meaningful barriers. Kicking at head height for example you're far more likely to meet forearm than any other bony structure, sure you could say the skull, but let's be real nobody is defending a headkick with their forehead. As you go further down the body the risk of hitting large promenent bones increases. The elbows (maybe even knees) for the mid section, and the entire knee, shin when facing leg kicks.
0:56 what Juan did looks like something a power ranger would do after morphing
Thought for sure that there would be a “Seinfeld” Kramer reference/clip. 😂
Tbh the most accurate and least cringy example of these kind of things is the family guy skit where Peter knocks out a black belt 😂
u said it yourself! comment on rough and rowdy my friend and id reallly really enjoy it if you competed in it as a channel challenge
5:10 breaking boards with the top of the foot is crazy, and that foot protection will only make it more difficult to break. When you break with a circular kick (mawashi/dollyo) you have to strike with the ball of the foot.
No, you don't. As Muay Thai conditions the shin, karate can (and does) condition the instep. I've seen many martial artists destroy boards with the top of their foot, without the slightest issue.
The more you know.....
stop i’m 20 seconds in gasping for air
my firend has made nationals in karate multiable times.hes 17 now and has been training for what i know 8/9 years and hes still a brown belt since you have to be 18+ to be a black belt.He fights black belts and way older openents since hes around 205 cm and 90+ kg
Kids black belts? Yes, if they also have to go through the gauntlet, fighting 20-100 people full contact.
Sure.
Broken noses, arms and ribs. They wanna go through that...they earned the belt.
Just hesterday I was thinking about who would win between a blackbelt and someone much physically bigger and stronger with no experience.
You should watch and react to "Seinsei Rainbow and the Dojo Kids"
I wonder how fast black belts are earned nowadays. As a kid, I think it took me 5 years to get a 1st degree black belt. I also failed 2-3 belt tests as well.
You do that Jiu-jitsu. My 12 year old granddaughter is a black belt.😂🤣😂🤣
Little child: "tell me a scary story for bed time!" Daddy: *thinks a few seconds* "And the 7 year old received his black belt in Taekwondo after just 2 years of practise." This whole thing is so hilarious! Just look at her "punches" she throws after taking down her opponents! They are simply weak! Absolutely ZERO energy behind them! Just a worthless waving of the arm.
You and that guy are TWINS! 🤣
That elbow is called a reverse elbow. I learned it in TKD as a kid, it was in one of the forms, and I relearned it in Muay Thai. Anderson Silva famously used a reverse elbow to knock sn opponent before. They are not using it correctly in the video though.
I'd like to see them try to break a piece of 8 cm plywood instead of those glued together circus move boards.
Hey make fun of Juan of us, u make fun of all of us 🤣🤣
"Very good, but brick not hit back!"
One of my favourite people on RUclips, but dude, yeah… he looks like you.
"i think it would be badass if you were in a fight and out of nowhere you just like, take out"
Intensity is based on how long it takes between each punch
This reminds me of the Family Guy clip where Peter beats up a child black belt.
Kinda fun... Cheers 😘
Breaking boards with pads on makes it more difficult. That's kinda rough on the white belts.
it´s going to be a brutal reality check if any of those tae kwan do people ever get in a real fight.
Yeah, that's why my trainer tells us to avoid any fight and run as fast as we can. He never gave us a false sense of reality, as we don't do Taekwondo to become professional fighters
@@sommerelb8198 thats great, not gonna lie. to many teachers of traditional martial arts are way to delusional. i´ve been to a karate school in my early days of kickboxing because i was a very inexperienced martial artist and thought i could learn a few things there with some cross training since i also had the free time to do it and it turned out to be one of those schools where no one ever touches anyone and theres a big focus on doing self defense stuff in slow motion without any resistence and kata´s... but the way the teacher (or sensei as he liked to call himself) presented himself and the ability of his students was like they are absolute beasts but have to avoid any fight ever because they could get in trouble with the law when they found out that they trained here since they learned how to be so vicious with their bodys while in reality every single one of them where completely dead after the relatively basic warm up drills in the beginning and i could have beaten up all of them with my 4 months of kickboxing at this point. moral of the story... dont trust anyone who trys to tell you his fists are registered as weapons and cant run a mile without getting a cardiac arrest. (oh and by the way, i know that normal karate schools arent like that, in most of them you dont really learn how to fight either. but i am aware that my case was a bit extreme for a karate school)
@@Vokunos You seem to know a lot about karate
Getting a black belt is certainly an achievement but it has no link to fighting skill, self defence skill or anything like that. In my opinion the achievement of obtaining a black belt is like getting through army training and then after that you can go to war (aka: the real work starts if you're willing to keep pursuing your art).
back when i did karate, my instructor said a black belt meant you were no longer a beginner and that you were qualified to teach others the basics on your own.
@Sensei Seth was that your twin in that last video?
😅
Man Seth, that guy totally looked like you!
I'm a 6'1, 190 lbs, first degree black belt, and I train in multiple styles. If I was fighting someone several times my size and strength, I'd still not bet on myself. It would literally be similar to me fighting a gorilla. Don't get me wrong, I've sparred people several inches taller, and significantly stronger than me, be the difference between that girl and that man is significant.
In a knife fight though, size matters less :D
That's always going to be a factor regardless.
There will always be someone out there who is naturally bigger and tougher. In the context of this video, that shouldn't matter.
Amanda Nunes is absolutely fantastic, but she couldn't hope to fight Francis Ngannou. That doesn't make her skills any less than they are.
always looks good in a controlled environment.
Good work in the cage to get 0 hits in that cage sensei Seth lol
Pls dont ever put me up against a kid black belt... I couldn't fake it like that.
I mean I've kind felt ashamed about getting my black belt when I was 12 but I made sure I ingrained it in my mindset to kind of push my capabilities to the utmost intensity, and with days which I just get tired because of all the conditioning I get frustrated and embarassed because I get really sloppy and not up to "black belt level" standard. I have seen the stereotypical child black belts and I do think that some may need to be reevaluated, but it really depends as (with the influence of the martial arts community crapping on TKD) I've kind of been trying to prove that TKD is at least not so much a dumpster pile or a daycare as a but worthy sport to the very least.
As for the Olympic TKD... I hate front leg kickers.
Sensei Seth, there's a lot of people with your similar looks. Well, maybe some Oregonians I mean.
Man, Sensei Seth looks a lot like that guy in the video.
Just gotta say, found your channel tonight and love your attitude of “obviously a kid’s physically weaker, but they’re training, so why not make them black belts?” Even at 10, my parents were having a hell of a time controlling me. Imagining having some legit training… would (having worked at a dojo) probably meant I’d have been getting into stupid fights less often.
From what I was taught about black belts it's evidence of knowledge and discipline to demonstrate dedication to learning an art. The black belt is not mastery, it's the point at which you begin really learning what your martial art is. If the black belt were evidence of mastery, you'd not need ranks above black belt. There is a weird mysticism (dare I say elitism) surrounding the significance of what a black is and what it isn't. If a kid demonstrates knowledge and discipline (just like any other practitioner of the art) then why should they not be able to test for and receive their black belt?
Also an MMA trained fighter, even a child, who can't land a single punch on an untrained adult? I think she needs a better instructor.
Apparently in judo north american black belts are a sign of skill but in japan its something along the lines of a yellow or orange belt
Because children and teenagers do not understand the harm that level of skill can cause.
Fully agree black belt is really just the start of ur martial arts journey its really just a mile stone of staying with the art not really anything else
My sister was sixteen-years older than I. She would beat the crap out of me just because she could. We move forward thirty-five years and my sister, through her drug and sex abuse, needs a kidney. We're the same blood type (B, RH negative), not the rarest blood type, but rare enough it's makes finding a match quite difficult. I waited around until her need became critical. I spoke with her nephrologist and explained our history as estranged siblings. Her nephrologist looked at me and said: "whoa man, let her die". so, I did.
Don't worry Seth, there's only one you.
Bruh the first thing I thought when I saw him was he looked like you
Before the comment was made about ‘so help me if one of you say I look like him’ I genuinely thought to myself ‘Ha, he looks like Seth’s brother’
Juan needs to rotate his supporting leg when he kicks.
@10:40 you forgot the same beer belly 😂
Lmao he is in UFC video
Lol I fought in the rough and rowdy like 13 years ago lol was wild.
"smirks in bjj"
Please tell us already is it your older or younger brother?
A black belt is only the beginning.
i can remember a mixed training camp training with a kid(around 12 i was like 21) that did taek won do i was still a yellow belt in german jujutsu back then and that kid was FAST what he did didnt really hurt or anything but i really had no idea what to do other then smash my self into him xD
Ahhh yes smiling and leaving your chin exposed in your stance the modern-day equivalent of samurais calling their opponents honey to throw them off guard lmfao
Hey Seth looks JUST LIKE that guy😳
If this were a real fight the kids would on the ground on less than 30 seconds
aw, I actually wanted to see them fight :(
Can we all agree that most places that teach karate and taekwondo really don’t actually give you any real fighting skills to speak of?
Yeah, the guy at 10:45 totally didn't look like Seth. Seth is wearing a plain black T, and the other guy was wearing a branded (black) t-shirt. Completely different. :)
Seth out here saying he don't look like the picture of himself at 10:38