Honestly, given the utter nonsense almost entirely published on YOU TUBE regards skis, and ski equipment these presentations are almost (certainly) the only useful, and subjective videos to be seen. Awesome work boys. Love from CHX
I have come to enjoy these seasonal kickoffs with Jeff and Bob. Starting with the mid-100s is an interesting choice. I like those first-person camera shots. Kind of surreal. I'm ready for the next video to drop!
Very interesting take on the prodigy for bob. I put 30 plus days on the 4.0 as a 6ft 3in 225lbs directional skier and loved how it ran in west coast conditions. It is soft, but still a hefty ski. I loved how the "directional twin tip" would pivot and let you dump speed if needed.
Last year’s ARV 106 was poplar ash core and ARW 106 UL was caruba. They skied very different even with the same shape, so it sounds like they combined the feel of those two skis and found a nice middle ground. Now that ARV & ARW 106 are just a different graphic.
So, Winter Is Coming, eh John Snow? LOL, love how excited Jeff is announcing the vid, he knows for sure how happy they make us and how excited we are...😂
Gents, just played 18 yesterday, so not quite ready to hang up the clubs yet, but excited for the new season. Awesome review of all the Freeride skis this year. Looking forward to all the coming reviews for 2025. Great stuff!
Intro is fire🔥🔥! I know it’s sampling Willie hutch but I like to think Bob and Jeff are 100% channeling UGK international players anthem vibes!!! You guys are too cool 😎
Thank you! I’ve been so excited for these! Always appreciate the how much time and effort yall put into this great content, always gets me so excited for ski season!
I will vouch for the sakana. I’ve been skiing it for 4 years, nothing compares. It’s the easiest ski to have fun on, for a skilled skier. Its struggles in moguls, super steep, tight trees. It’s not gonna be best ski for technical precision or hard charging. But you can lay over carves in terrain never expected, lets you play with lines like nothing else. After losing a set last year, I bought another one. If you’re a ski collector this ski should be high on your to own list. You’ll never have a bad day skiing this.
@@lorcanduffy9590 150 mm wide shovels means skis knock constantly, stiff tails want to be carving rather than skid, while the ski is light the swing weight is all at the end of the skis making it not as nimble. when you throw the skis completely sideways on steeps, the excessive shape points you carving uphill. All that said you can do moguls, and I do them enjoyably . But this ski is not going to outperform other all mountains skis in the bumps. Generally the ski wants to carve or be pointed down the fall line. Throwing them sideways is a fun ride but constantly having them sideways is a quick way to find the limitations. The ski makes basic to advanced off piste sections super fun and playful but super severe terrain is not the skis strong suit.
I live my sakanas. The main negative for me is If you’re ever skiing in chunky snow with ice chunks in it you have to be careful as those big shovels can grab an edge while leaning over on a chunk and rip the ski out. But yea they love to carve and I find they make me want to have fun and try lots of things.
I fully agree that the atris needs more tail rocker. Black crows seemed to add more camber to their line. I like the last 108 model in the trees more because of that. Make skiing rockerd again!
Even though I am a directional skier, I think I like my Enforcer 104 Free more than new Enforcer 104.. I would have to try it to see.. I should probably wait and I might have to edit this comment since you just did the Kaizen and we will see what you say for the Wailer but anyways.. I think I understand what Jeff is saying about the different turn radius.. The 15m turn radius always likes to be turning.. I have the Wailer F100 RP.. Early season when there are a ton of people on the slopes it is a pretty good ski to have.. Whether it is rock hard groomers, pow, crud or slush it can handle all that.. They get squirrely when they aren't turning and they do not like tight areas.. When the rest of the hill opens up I can see how an 18m turn radius would be nice to have.. The other thing that I would say about the 15m turn radius is that I get tired with that big ski.. Mine is 184 cm.. I demoed the Kore 99 a couple years ago and yes I agree that it was too reactive.. It sounds like the Kore 105 was and is more damp.. Maybe the extra surface area absorbs rather than reacts.. As far as the Wailer 112 RP, it sounds very similar to my Wailer F100 RP. I will say that I do have to stay forward with the ski.. If I am in the middle or back the tails will grab and spin me around.. I should also mention that I got my speed record of 77.8 mph on my F100.. You can't go wrong with the QST 106.. I know they changed the shape a little since I demoed them a few seasons back and I broke my arm on them in the tight moguly trees but they are very strong and stable and damp skis with energy..
With regards to Line Sakana, I disagree you won't ski it much, it is my daily driver. I am retired national team freestyle, both athlete then coach. I ski mostly in Vail/ BC, and entirely good snow. I wouldn't recommend for poor or hard snow, but out west there is no reason not to ski it daily. At 181 it charges, and can lay trenches. A little chatter due to early rise in the tip, but no big deal if you are engaging that tip. And this ski is meant to be turning. I am not interested in bumps, but steeps and varied terrain it is great, as well. For powder days, Pescado is the easy answer though I have had the Sakana in some fun deep days as well. Chinese bases need some work to get them going, but you can get them close to some of the euro mades. And no, I don't ski for Line, they are actually the first two pair of skis I paid for with my own money in 40 years or more. They are that good.
@@blade1535 I would highly recommend the Pescado for untracked. I got a pair in the spring, and got a few storms on them. There are some similarities with the Sakana, but more different than not. They are lighter and poppy, that swallow flexes unlike the Sakana, but like the S they carve surprisingly well on groomers for a 125 waisted ski. I think I would probably prefer the Sakana for chopped up pow, as the Pescado is very lively. However, in pure pow they are incredible, just a ton of fun. They are very light swing weight too, so I like them in steep chutes providing it is soft. 180 is enough length, nothing like 'em, just pull the trigger.
Superb, as usual. I have no idea if I am weird to love a 2 hr ski comparison, but frankly, I don't care. I wait for this every year, and it never disappoints! BTW. Have you ever knocked them all over and had to stop?
We've come close to a massive collapse in the past. It's usually in the twin tip comparisons where we find them to be more tippy with the rounded tails. But I don't think we've had to stop.
Hello! Thank you guys! You're simply the best! The Line Pandora 106 is missed, have you tested it? Will we see the Pandora 106 in future comparision videos? How would you compare the Pandora 106 to the Optic 104?
We spent a lot more time on the narrower Pandoras, but did get on the 106 a bit. It makes rounder turns than the Optic and feels a bit more playful, in my opinion. We'll definitely do some Pandora-focused content this season considering the whole line is refreshed.
Optic 104 vs Rustler 10? Looking for a PNW daily. I have a pow ski, so deep snow versatility isn't an issue. Which of these two would handle the heavy chop but maintain some playful, slarvy, smearyness. Playful style, lots of trees and bumps, but need more stability for the steeps and through the crud. I thought Optic 104 was the answer (coming off chronic 101), but watching you ski the Rustler has me rethinking my life
I think the performance is very similar, it's more about the sound and snow feel. Personally, I think the Optic has a quieter, smoother, and more playful style to it while the Rustler is a bit more abrupt and precise.
They're in there. It's happened before with these longer videos, I think it takes RUclips longer to process it and actually get them into the video timeline. If you're ever not seeing them, just check the video description as they're always in there.
We have all the prices listed on the article: www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2025-mens-mid-100mm-all-mountain-and-freeride-ski-comparison Sometimes we do organize by price, and we'll almost definitely do that this season. Heck, maybe we will for the next video!
Thanks for taking the time to do this review! Funny enough I was looking at the Salomon QST106, Line Optic 104, and Blizzard Rustler 10 before this video and you had them all 3 in a row. Would love to get your opinion on what ski you would recommend between the 3 of them. Between those which would you say is the most forgiving, has the best float, and easiest to pivot? I currently have the Line Blade for a hard pack ski and love the tight turn radius. Also have the Fisher FR102, however find it to not be as pivoty as I would like in the tails.
I'd say the Optic has the most forgiveness in the tips and tails but is pretty sturdy underfoot. The Rustler is very predictable and engaging from tip to tail and the QST is the best floater of the bunch while holding a great edge on firmer snow as well. It is very close between the Rustler and the QST when it comes to total versatility. Personally, I prefer the Salomon slightly over the Rustler, but I wouldn't be displeased on any of these three.
Also keep in mind they make a QST 106 Echo which drops about 300 grams with the same shape, so that's a more efficient option. The Line Vision 104 is the lightest ski on the wall, that would be my vote for best touring option here, and we also talk about Kore and DPS with their carbon as good choices as well.
Let's go! Been daydreaming and working out legs for while. Great vid and can't wait to see the other vids as well. For Back bowls in CO could you compare the Paragon 107 to the QST 106? I usually go a couple days After a storm in search of the goods. Seems like you can't go wrong with the QST out of this Wall? Thx
You're right about the QST being a totally awesome choice. Does it all. The Paragon just does it faster. If you're looking for more fall-line confidence at speed, the Kastle has more stability and edge grip and power. It's not as nimble or agile as the QST, especially in tighter spots, and it's not as good of a pure floater, but for softer groomers, crud, and chop at speed, it's tough to beat the Paragon.
Cooler mornings, browning leaves, now Ski Essentials comparison videos start dropping... officially getting the itch! Seriously struggling between that Mindbender 106C and Reckoner 110 or maybe previous gen 112. Planning for an out west soft snow day sidecountry ski, have Ranger 99TI's for most days. Mostly in resort with the option to do a bit of touring (Duke PT's). Race/instructor background. I like the idea of a surfy freeride ski, fun and playful. Still needs to have enough backbone for decent drops and hits so I was leaning Reckoner but I never really plan on landing switch in powder and am probably a more directional skier. Does the 106c stand up to some decent landing impacts? Is the Reckoner a worse all rounder for bumps and groomers? Would love your thoughts.
I would go Mindbender 106 C if I were you. Reckoners are SUPER fun, but they're very, very soft flexing skis. With your background and given your mention of decent sized drops, Mindbender feels like the right choice. It's more supportive than either Reckoner (110 or 112). Still super surfy too. Should work pretty much perfectly for what you're looking to do.
Just before your video dropped I purchased the "Down Throwdown 105". No info/reviews anywhere so far. Maybe you have experience with the "Down" sticks? BR
Haha, I know it probably sounds like I'm avoiding saying that, but I'm always super careful not to let my own personal preferences affect my overall opinion of a ski. Lots of people who tested it over the past year liked it a lot, so I'm not sure I'd be able to just make a blanket statement that it's worse, because for some skiers, it's not. For me, on the other hand, yeah, it's worse. Still a good ski, just not for me as much as the previous version.
Ok. So here's a dumb question ... what do you mean by "directional"? ... And while we're at it, there are other terms, like what does it mean that a ski is "playful"? ... My skis basically go where I point them, and well, my ability to "play" seems more dependent on the snow than anything else.
The more directional a ski is the worse it is for skiing switch and the more it demands a forward stance. Generally, the further back from center the mount point is the more directional a ski is
Playful means that it's easy to change your turn shape rapidly, flickable, loose. The opposite of playful would be a racing ski that wants to remain very locked into a specific turn shape.
Not a dumb question at all--we definitely can improve upon how we describe some of these terms and their definitions. For us, we just use these words so freely in our jobs that we sometimes just assume that everyone knows what they mean. My guess is that in your line of work, you do the same thing unconsciously! The above commenters are right on the money with their descriptions of these terms.
Thanks for another great review! Do you guys think there’s any reason to size up in Rustler 10? I tried the 180 last year and liked it but it felt a little short at times. I know there’s no right or wrong answer, just curious what your thoughts are. I’m 6’ 200lbs strong advanced skier in Colorado. Thanks again!
I think it's okay to size up on, especially if you're in more open Colorado spaces. Here in Vermont, it's a bit tighter and narrower, so upsizing isn't totally necessary. For your stats and application, I think the 186 is totally fine.
How much difference is there between blade optic 104 and the old enforcer 104 free? Have the BO 104 and want something a bit more carvey and directional. Also have justis and declivity 102 in the mix. Spoilt for options these days. Sender 104ti and maybe fx106ti on the outer but still maybes. How do i solve this problem without buying 3 new pairs? Main use will be Japan allrounder but not for the deepest days. 6'4 200.
The Blaze is more flexible than the QST 106 and lighter as well. The Blaze feels more agile and drifty while the QST is more connected to the snow. The taper shape and rocker profile of the QST are more dramatic than those of the Blaze, balancing the mix of build and profile. I feel that more aggressive skiers looking for a harder charging ski will get along better with the QST, although the new Blaze is a whole lot of fun.
I have loved my rustler 10s for the last 5 years! It's time for a new pair of daily drivers for Park City/Vail/Big Sky. I can't decide between the QST 106 and the new rustler 10's. I love bumps, trees, and of course finding pockets of fresh snow. Can you help me decide?
I feel the new rustler 10s are different from the old. Im a lighter skiier out here in vail and i felt the new 10's were much more sluggish than the previous. That being said im a huge fan of the new rustler 9's. The qst 106s are much more lively and have a better pivot point for trees and bumps.
You are not going to go wrong with either ski here. I do feel that the QST 106 is quieter overall but the Rustler is smoother and more stable at speed. For soft snow, the QST feels like a better floater, and I'd rather ski it in bumps and trees.
I I were to choose more of an all mountain power ski from this group what should I pick. I own a QST98 and it is great but in heaver snow it seems like I could use a bit more float. the Head Kore 105, Salomon QST 106 or Blizzard Rustler 10 seem like the best picks for me from this group. What would your powder pick be from those 3 skis?
We capped it at 104 (Rustler is the exception as it's 102 below the 186 but 104 in the 186 and 191). The Ripstick 102 will be featured in our ~100 mm comparison.
It's actually pretty similar. The Blaze has more taper in the tips and a bit more tail splay, allowing for better flotation, but the rocker profile is more similar than different. The construction and overall snow feel, though, is SO different.
Strafe is probably what you're referring to. Jeff has the Hayden jacket and Summit pants in gray camo, and Matt has the Nomad kit that's kind of gray camo, although it's called "blackout tie dye"
Yes this is an interesting point. Rossignol has the Sender 106 Ti Plus in their catalog, but I don't think it's available in North America, so we're not including it in the comparison. We do still have them (2024 models) for sale on our site, and they're still awesome skis--I'd put them with the Paragon in terms of stability and power at speed. The Sender 104 is now the Sender Soul 102 and will be featured in the ~100 mm comparison. As for Elan, the 106 is gone, and we now get a 102 and a 108--those skis will be included with their peers in the appropriate groupings.
Im searching for a ski to pair with my qst 92 in the mid 100mm range. I generally like salomon and black crows as a brand, but i am open to any suggestion. Any recommendation?
Bob and Jeff, Love the content and tend to live for your comparison videos. Not much powder here in Ohio, but I can't wait to try my new Atomic Maverick 88ti's. Your review of that ski helped me tremendously. Keep the content coming guys.
Jeff, are you still preferring a rustler 10 in 186 for out west? I’m looking for something a bit more “freeridey” than my Mindbender 99ti for trips to Utah. I ski the Mindbender in a 178 (but don’t mind the 184 for a little more float). Would the Rustler 10 at 186 be a better fit than the 180? Thanks!!
It's in there. It's happened before with these longer videos, I think RUclips takes a while to process the info, although it doesn't always happen. They're always in the video description if you don't see them in the timeline. Hard to tell what's going on in RUclips's back end, but we always put them in.
Love your videos, fun but full of information. I live in Crested Butte and am looking for an extreme territory ski. Steeps, tight and all conditions. What ski do you suggest. Looking at QST 106 and Rustler 10. 6', 180 expert but 65 yrs old. Also 181 or 189. Thanks for all your content.
I can’t compare to the rustler, I ride the QST 106 at 180cm and love it for trees turning east in soft steep snow but have hit 60 on groomers and felt solid and rip Aspen moguls no problem, I’m 6’0 160lbs and younger, 189cm feels long if you want to take it off piste
The Rustler 10 is softer and more forgiving. The QST is higher performing but takes a more skilled pilot. I have the 189 and it is a lot of ski but I'm 250lbs. Also the skis are overweight by 200g each fyi. For your bodyweight and in tight confines go 181cm for sure.
We skied them last year and they were pretty sweet--pretty different from the QST 106, which I suppose it's closest to in the Salomon line. We did not have a Depart to include in this lineup, but I'd say it'd fit in the Rustler/ Optic 104 range if it were on the wall.
@SkiEssentials I have the 2022 blaze! 106 c is very intriguing, but not a fan of Made in China. I thought i was right, but wanted validation. Looks like all my viewing has paid off. I'm an informed consumer! Guess I can use the $ for carving skis. I want that MX 75! 😅
Can someone explain what the purpose of a 105mm waisted piste ski only is? As opposed to a narrower ski designed for that specific purpose? Seems odd to have a ski like the Sakana which apparently doesn't perform so well off piste because its so directional.... am I missing something?
Narrow carving skis are meant for hardpack/ice. The Sakana is meant for carving through soft snow. It's not the most versatile ski out there. That's why Jeff said you could own it 10yrs.
@@bearclaw5115 Narrow carving skis are meant for just that - carving en piste... my knees would not be thanking me after a season of using this as a daily driver... it just feels a little redundant, I guess is what I'm saying - but I take your point, and if you have lots of money - then why not?!
Which Strive? I ask because the 16 has a much burlier heel piece than the 14. With the Griffon, the Jester difference is only in the spring while the Strive has a different heel, and now the 16 also has an MNC toe. I'd rather the Griffon than the Strive 14, but not the 16, if that helps. Brake width is pretty similar, but the 110 might be a bit better.
I find the QST stands up to more aggressive skiing, and since I'm 6/2 225, it holds me up better than the K2. I think the K2 is great, but has a more flexible shovel and less of a carving performance. Lighter skiers may find more to like in the K2, though, so depending on your stats, one may work better than the other.
Is there any difference between the men's and women's Mindbender 106c other than graphics? I am looking at a 176 cm and yall have a pretty good deal on last year's women's version...
This comparison tops out at 107 with the Paragon. The new M-Free 108 will be featured in the ~110 mm comparison coming up soon with skis ranging from 108 to 112.
Those will be featured with their peers in the appropriate grouping. The 102 with the ~100's and the 108 with the ~110's. Fear not! Ripsticks will get the full treatment.
We're always on the lookout for stuff we haven't been on yet, and 1000 is right at the top of that list. Our first priority is to skis that we sell, but after that, we love getting on new skis.
@@SkiEssentials Why would they not be? Largest US-made (and best) brand out there. Consider the positive impact you can have on the domestic economy by promoting (or at least mentioning) them instead of giant overseas corporations. Just a thought. Look forward to the review in the future.
Line vision stated wieght is 1810, and you weighted 1630g, how is this possible? I know skis are not all the same weight because of manufacturing, but this is like 200g difference. Doesnt make sense?
This one struck me as odd as well, considering I had just looked up the weight in the catalog. While variances do exist, this is a big one. I can't explain why this happens, all I can do is weigh the ski we have and relay that information.
@@SkiEssentials me too! I messaged line to have them weigh some more, should get an answer in a few days, but please definitely let me know if you get to weigh others before!
Yup! Studio 2 at 102 underfoot will be featured in either/both the 100 mm comparison and/or the twin tip comparison. Studio 3 will find its way into the ~110 collection.
@@SkiEssentials thanks, I'm 6'3" 195 and I charge pretty hard on my origin 104, something tells me I'd be overpowering them. Are you guys gonna do a review on the new Liberty Radian?
I'll defend the Line Sakana with its bandana-style print. The 181 is black instead of green, so that bumps it up a notch in my book. Volkl Revolt 104 is another favorite.
Let’s go lady’s and gents . Ski season is official among us!
Yes yes yes and I am skiing Japan Jan / Feb cant wait
@@powderskier5547 that’s sick!
Wake up babe new ski essentials comparison dropped
You guys are the only people that can respectfully disagree and it’s lovely listening to you guys discuss these. Thank you!
Our owner complimented our "banter" this morning, hah.
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Thank you!
It's officially here! The time of year when productivity takes a big hit.
Hit 72 mph on my Salomon Stance 90 last winter. First time I ever clocked myself skiing. Just got the Stance 102! 🔥
Love watching these every year!
Honestly, given the utter nonsense almost entirely published on YOU TUBE regards skis, and ski equipment these presentations are almost (certainly) the only useful, and subjective videos to be seen. Awesome work boys. Love from CHX
Best time of the year when you're video series comes back!
I have come to enjoy these seasonal kickoffs with Jeff and Bob. Starting with the mid-100s is an interesting choice. I like those first-person camera shots. Kind of surreal. I'm ready for the next video to drop!
I would love to see a specifically "hybrid touring" ski comparison
Very interesting take on the prodigy for bob. I put 30 plus days on the 4.0 as a 6ft 3in 225lbs directional skier and loved how it ran in west coast conditions. It is soft, but still a hefty ski. I loved how the "directional twin tip" would pivot and let you dump speed if needed.
I really like my Atris' as an everyday groomer or freeride backcountry choice. I paired them with G3 Ions. Solid.
The og Nikolai setup letsgo
Just got a few pairs of skis in the mail from you guys, top notch, can't wait to rip. Awesome review as always.
Awesome! Thanks for the support!
Last year’s ARV 106 was poplar ash core and ARW 106 UL was caruba. They skied very different even with the same shape, so it sounds like they combined the feel of those two skis and found a nice middle ground. Now that ARV & ARW 106 are just a different graphic.
Worth it just for the new intro. Happy to dig into another year of SkiEssentials videos!
Yup! You've got a year of that new intro, so glad you like it!
So, Winter Is Coming, eh John Snow?
LOL, love how excited Jeff is announcing the vid, he knows for sure how happy they make us and how excited we are...😂
It happens fast every year!
Gents, just played 18 yesterday, so not quite ready to hang up the clubs yet, but excited for the new season. Awesome review of all the Freeride skis this year. Looking forward to all the coming reviews for 2025. Great stuff!
You and I (Jeff) both! Fall golf is awesome, but when the temps start dropping, I definitely start to get the ski itch.
The ski comparison has started and Banff got 15cm of snow last night, winter's here! (It's all melted now, still counts)
The stars align!
🤩🤩🤩 I was waiting for this, thanks for the amazing review, once again.
favorite time of the year again
Intro is fire🔥🔥! I know it’s sampling Willie hutch but I like to think Bob and Jeff are 100% channeling UGK international players anthem vibes!!! You guys are too cool 😎
Was looking for this comment. Love the intro!! And the song selection too, I knew that sound from somewhere
Thanks! We actually spent a long time trying out different audio tracks for the intro and that one just worked out so well.
Thank you! I’ve been so excited for these! Always appreciate the how much time and effort yall put into this great content, always gets me so excited for ski season!
Thank you! Glad you enjoy them and appreciate you acknowledging the effort that goes into it!
Woooooohoo, this can only mean one thing. Summer is finally ending!
I will vouch for the sakana. I’ve been skiing it for 4 years, nothing compares. It’s the easiest ski to have fun on, for a skilled skier. Its struggles in moguls, super steep, tight trees. It’s not gonna be best ski for technical precision or hard charging. But you can lay over carves in terrain never expected, lets you play with lines like nothing else. After losing a set last year, I bought another one. If you’re a ski collector this ski should be high on your to own list. You’ll never have a bad day skiing this.
What makes them bad over moguls?
@@lorcanduffy9590 150 mm wide shovels means skis knock constantly, stiff tails want to be carving rather than skid, while the ski is light the swing weight is all at the end of the skis making it not as nimble. when you throw the skis completely sideways on steeps, the excessive shape points you carving uphill. All that said you can do moguls, and I do them enjoyably . But this ski is not going to outperform other all mountains skis in the bumps. Generally the ski wants to carve or be pointed down the fall line. Throwing them sideways is a fun ride but constantly having them sideways is a quick way to find the limitations. The ski makes basic to advanced off piste sections super fun and playful but super severe terrain is not the skis strong suit.
@@lorcanduffy9590 basically the Sakana is the Porsche 911 Baja of all mountain skis.
I live my sakanas. The main negative for me is If you’re ever skiing in chunky snow with ice chunks in it you have to be careful as those big shovels can grab an edge while leaning over on a chunk and rip the ski out.
But yea they love to carve and I find they make me want to have fun and try lots of things.
I fully agree that the atris needs more tail rocker. Black crows seemed to add more camber to their line. I like the last 108 model in the trees more because of that. Make skiing rockerd again!
2017 QSTs are neon orange with blue bases, I only know this bc I watch my ski buddy beat me down the mountain every year in the them!
Thanks you so much, I always watch your videos and have learned quite things
Best day ever! Let's GO!
Second chair - let’s go!
Is this the first show of the new season? Excited to see this in my feed. 😃
Yup! First of many more to come!
Even though I am a directional skier, I think I like my Enforcer 104 Free more than new Enforcer 104.. I would have to try it to see..
I should probably wait and I might have to edit this comment since you just did the Kaizen and we will see what you say for the Wailer but anyways.. I think I understand what Jeff is saying about the different turn radius.. The 15m turn radius always likes to be turning.. I have the Wailer F100 RP.. Early season when there are a ton of people on the slopes it is a pretty good ski to have.. Whether it is rock hard groomers, pow, crud or slush it can handle all that.. They get squirrely when they aren't turning and they do not like tight areas.. When the rest of the hill opens up I can see how an 18m turn radius would be nice to have.. The other thing that I would say about the 15m turn radius is that I get tired with that big ski.. Mine is 184 cm..
I demoed the Kore 99 a couple years ago and yes I agree that it was too reactive.. It sounds like the Kore 105 was and is more damp.. Maybe the extra surface area absorbs rather than reacts..
As far as the Wailer 112 RP, it sounds very similar to my Wailer F100 RP. I will say that I do have to stay forward with the ski.. If I am in the middle or back the tails will grab and spin me around.. I should also mention that I got my speed record of 77.8 mph on my F100..
You can't go wrong with the QST 106.. I know they changed the shape a little since I demoed them a few seasons back and I broke my arm on them in the tight moguly trees but they are very strong and stable and damp skis with energy..
I’ve been waiting so long 🎉
With regards to Line Sakana, I disagree you won't ski it much, it is my daily driver. I am retired national team freestyle, both athlete then coach. I ski mostly in Vail/ BC, and entirely good snow. I wouldn't recommend for poor or hard snow, but out west there is no reason not to ski it daily. At 181 it charges, and can lay trenches. A little chatter due to early rise in the tip, but no big deal if you are engaging that tip. And this ski is meant to be turning. I am not interested in bumps, but steeps and varied terrain it is great, as well. For powder days, Pescado is the easy answer though I have had the Sakana in some fun deep days as well. Chinese bases need some work to get them going, but you can get them close to some of the euro mades. And no, I don't ski for Line, they are actually the first two pair of skis I paid for with my own money in 40 years or more. They are that good.
I skied Japan early this year with sakana through all conditions for about 30 days.
Lots of fun and a good ski. Curious of pescado in deep POW
@@blade1535 I would highly recommend the Pescado for untracked. I got a pair in the spring, and got a few storms on them. There are some similarities with the Sakana, but more different than not. They are lighter and poppy, that swallow flexes unlike the Sakana, but like the S they carve surprisingly well on groomers for a 125 waisted ski. I think I would probably prefer the Sakana for chopped up pow, as the Pescado is very lively. However, in pure pow they are incredible, just a ton of fun. They are very light swing weight too, so I like them in steep chutes providing it is soft. 180 is enough length, nothing like 'em, just pull the trigger.
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Shout out Bob's Vermont Ski Team shirt!
I complimented it as well before we started filming!
Superb, as usual. I have no idea if I am weird to love a 2 hr ski comparison, but frankly, I don't care. I wait for this every year, and it never disappoints!
BTW. Have you ever knocked them all over and had to stop?
hahaha!
We've come close to a massive collapse in the past. It's usually in the twin tip comparisons where we find them to be more tippy with the rounded tails. But I don't think we've had to stop.
Winter is Coming!
Hopefully first comparison out of many!
We have a lot of categories and skis to cover for sure! Usually around a dozen.
boys new colors!!
Hello! Thank you guys! You're simply the best! The Line Pandora 106 is missed, have you tested it? Will we see the Pandora 106 in future comparision videos? How would you compare the Pandora 106 to the Optic 104?
We spent a lot more time on the narrower Pandoras, but did get on the 106 a bit. It makes rounder turns than the Optic and feels a bit more playful, in my opinion. We'll definitely do some Pandora-focused content this season considering the whole line is refreshed.
@@SkiEssentials sounds great! 🤝🏻
Optic 104 vs Rustler 10? Looking for a PNW daily. I have a pow ski, so deep snow versatility isn't an issue. Which of these two would handle the heavy chop but maintain some playful, slarvy, smearyness. Playful style, lots of trees and bumps, but need more stability for the steeps and through the crud. I thought Optic 104 was the answer (coming off chronic 101), but watching you ski the Rustler has me rethinking my life
I think the performance is very similar, it's more about the sound and snow feel. Personally, I think the Optic has a quieter, smoother, and more playful style to it while the Rustler is a bit more abrupt and precise.
YES!
Miss the chapter separation and labeling in the video for each ski.
They're in there. It's happened before with these longer videos, I think it takes RUclips longer to process it and actually get them into the video timeline. If you're ever not seeing them, just check the video description as they're always in there.
Just in time for me to impulse buy skis during Labor Day sales 🎉
Yes! That's 100% the idea!
Will there be a price list update for the lineup, or can we anticipate title bout comparisons and future information shouts? That was a long haul.
We have all the prices listed on the article: www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2025-mens-mid-100mm-all-mountain-and-freeride-ski-comparison
Sometimes we do organize by price, and we'll almost definitely do that this season. Heck, maybe we will for the next video!
Thanks for taking the time to do this review!
Funny enough I was looking at the Salomon QST106, Line Optic 104, and Blizzard Rustler 10 before this video and you had them all 3 in a row.
Would love to get your opinion on what ski you would recommend between the 3 of them. Between those which would you say is the most forgiving, has the best float, and easiest to pivot? I currently have the Line Blade for a hard pack ski and love the tight turn radius. Also have the Fisher FR102, however find it to not be as pivoty as I would like in the tails.
I'd say the Optic has the most forgiveness in the tips and tails but is pretty sturdy underfoot. The Rustler is very predictable and engaging from tip to tail and the QST is the best floater of the bunch while holding a great edge on firmer snow as well. It is very close between the Rustler and the QST when it comes to total versatility. Personally, I prefer the Salomon slightly over the Rustler, but I wouldn't be displeased on any of these three.
Thank you for the quick response! This is very helpful, greatly appreciated.
Woo hoo!!
....what is the THC percentage on the Line Vision, can we say that this is a smoking ski! :)
I think it's worth bringing this question to Line's engineers.
Please add a new SCOTT SEA line in such nice videos. Thank you!
Just looked them up--that 98 looks right up my alley! Fun shape, sturdy-looking build. Hopefully we can get on them this winter.
@54:00 "my girlfriend loves her DPS Wailers"
Great video as always dudes! Thank you. Would you recommend any of these for a good touring option? Would it be the QST 106?
Keep up the awesome work!
Also keep in mind they make a QST 106 Echo which drops about 300 grams with the same shape, so that's a more efficient option. The Line Vision 104 is the lightest ski on the wall, that would be my vote for best touring option here, and we also talk about Kore and DPS with their carbon as good choices as well.
Let's go! Been daydreaming and working out legs for while. Great vid and can't wait to see the other vids as well. For Back bowls in CO could you compare the Paragon 107 to the QST 106? I usually go a couple days After a storm in search of the goods. Seems like you can't go wrong with the QST out of this Wall? Thx
You're right about the QST being a totally awesome choice. Does it all. The Paragon just does it faster. If you're looking for more fall-line confidence at speed, the Kastle has more stability and edge grip and power. It's not as nimble or agile as the QST, especially in tighter spots, and it's not as good of a pure floater, but for softer groomers, crud, and chop at speed, it's tough to beat the Paragon.
Awesome Thx!
I’m surprised you didn’t include the Volkl Mantra 102
We were happy to include the Mantra 102 in Part 2 of the 100 mm comparison!
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@@SkiEssentials I guess it is closer to 100.
Thanks for the great reviews!!!
Cooler mornings, browning leaves, now Ski Essentials comparison videos start dropping... officially getting the itch!
Seriously struggling between that Mindbender 106C and Reckoner 110 or maybe previous gen 112. Planning for an out west soft snow day sidecountry ski, have Ranger 99TI's for most days. Mostly in resort with the option to do a bit of touring (Duke PT's). Race/instructor background. I like the idea of a surfy freeride ski, fun and playful. Still needs to have enough backbone for decent drops and hits so I was leaning Reckoner but I never really plan on landing switch in powder and am probably a more directional skier. Does the 106c stand up to some decent landing impacts? Is the Reckoner a worse all rounder for bumps and groomers? Would love your thoughts.
I would go Mindbender 106 C if I were you. Reckoners are SUPER fun, but they're very, very soft flexing skis. With your background and given your mention of decent sized drops, Mindbender feels like the right choice. It's more supportive than either Reckoner (110 or 112). Still super surfy too. Should work pretty much perfectly for what you're looking to do.
Just before your video dropped I purchased the "Down Throwdown 105". No info/reviews anywhere so far. Maybe you have experience with the "Down" sticks? BR
Nope, you'll have to let us know!
Jeff - it is 100% OK to just come out and say the new E104Free is worse than the last generation.
Haha, I know it probably sounds like I'm avoiding saying that, but I'm always super careful not to let my own personal preferences affect my overall opinion of a ski. Lots of people who tested it over the past year liked it a lot, so I'm not sure I'd be able to just make a blanket statement that it's worse, because for some skiers, it's not. For me, on the other hand, yeah, it's worse. Still a good ski, just not for me as much as the previous version.
@@SkiEssentials It's OK - you came out and said it later in the video ;-)
Let’s gooooo
Will you do a detailed review of the Candide bc 111?
We will wait for some nice deep snow and then hopefully hop back on that ski!
Let’s gooooo!!!!
Ok. So here's a dumb question ... what do you mean by "directional"? ... And while we're at it, there are other terms, like what does it mean that a ski is "playful"? ... My skis basically go where I point them, and well, my ability to "play" seems more dependent on the snow than anything else.
The more directional a ski is the worse it is for skiing switch and the more it demands a forward stance. Generally, the further back from center the mount point is the more directional a ski is
Playful means that it's easy to change your turn shape rapidly, flickable, loose. The opposite of playful would be a racing ski that wants to remain very locked into a specific turn shape.
Not a dumb question at all--we definitely can improve upon how we describe some of these terms and their definitions. For us, we just use these words so freely in our jobs that we sometimes just assume that everyone knows what they mean. My guess is that in your line of work, you do the same thing unconsciously! The above commenters are right on the money with their descriptions of these terms.
Thanks for another great review! Do you guys think there’s any reason to size up in Rustler 10? I tried the 180 last year and liked it but it felt a little short at times. I know there’s no right or wrong answer, just curious what your thoughts are. I’m 6’ 200lbs strong advanced skier in Colorado. Thanks again!
I think it's okay to size up on, especially if you're in more open Colorado spaces. Here in Vermont, it's a bit tighter and narrower, so upsizing isn't totally necessary. For your stats and application, I think the 186 is totally fine.
How much difference is there between blade optic 104 and the old enforcer 104 free? Have the BO 104 and want something a bit more carvey and directional. Also have justis and declivity 102 in the mix. Spoilt for options these days. Sender 104ti and maybe fx106ti on the outer but still maybes. How do i solve this problem without buying 3 new pairs? Main use will be Japan allrounder but not for the deepest days. 6'4 200.
Happy ski season guys! How does Volkl blaze 104 compare to Salomon QST 106? How is Volkl’s flex pattern?
The Blaze is more flexible than the QST 106 and lighter as well. The Blaze feels more agile and drifty while the QST is more connected to the snow. The taper shape and rocker profile of the QST are more dramatic than those of the Blaze, balancing the mix of build and profile. I feel that more aggressive skiers looking for a harder charging ski will get along better with the QST, although the new Blaze is a whole lot of fun.
I have loved my rustler 10s for the last 5 years! It's time for a new pair of daily drivers for Park City/Vail/Big Sky. I can't decide between the QST 106 and the new rustler 10's. I love bumps, trees, and of course finding pockets of fresh snow. Can you help me decide?
I feel the new rustler 10s are different from the old. Im a lighter skiier out here in vail and i felt the new 10's were much more sluggish than the previous. That being said im a huge fan of the new rustler 9's. The qst 106s are much more lively and have a better pivot point for trees and bumps.
You are not going to go wrong with either ski here. I do feel that the QST 106 is quieter overall but the Rustler is smoother and more stable at speed. For soft snow, the QST feels like a better floater, and I'd rather ski it in bumps and trees.
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I I were to choose more of an all mountain power ski from this group what should I pick. I own a QST98 and it is great but in heaver snow it seems like I could use a bit more float. the Head Kore 105, Salomon QST 106 or Blizzard Rustler 10 seem like the best picks for me from this group. What would your powder pick be from those 3 skis?
Powder points to the QST. Kore is a better carver and Rustler has the best blend of attributes.
Great video, but what about the Ripstick 102?
We capped it at 104 (Rustler is the exception as it's 102 below the 186 but 104 in the 186 and 191). The Ripstick 102 will be featured in our ~100 mm comparison.
Curious on comparison between blaze104 and Mantra102.. besides construction, is the shape and rocker/camber profile the same?
It's actually pretty similar. The Blaze has more taper in the tips and a bit more tail splay, allowing for better flotation, but the rocker profile is more similar than different. The construction and overall snow feel, though, is SO different.
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Nice green jacket on Bob on maverick footage! Wnat is it?
I think that was Matt wearing the Black Crows Freebird Xpore jacket.
Who makes the black and gray camo suit in the test ?
Strafe is probably what you're referring to. Jeff has the Hayden jacket and Summit pants in gray camo, and Matt has the Nomad kit that's kind of gray camo, although it's called "blackout tie dye"
About the missing brands- Doesn’t Rossignol have the Sender & Rallybird 104? And Elan the 106? Or did they shift this year?
Yes this is an interesting point. Rossignol has the Sender 106 Ti Plus in their catalog, but I don't think it's available in North America, so we're not including it in the comparison. We do still have them (2024 models) for sale on our site, and they're still awesome skis--I'd put them with the Paragon in terms of stability and power at speed. The Sender 104 is now the Sender Soul 102 and will be featured in the ~100 mm comparison. As for Elan, the 106 is gone, and we now get a 102 and a 108--those skis will be included with their peers in the appropriate groupings.
Im searching for a ski to pair with my qst 92 in the mid 100mm range. I generally like salomon and black crows as a brand, but i am open to any suggestion. Any recommendation?
I love recommending the Justis to skiers in this range. Great compliment to the QST 92 and just an amazing ski from tip to tail.
Bob and Jeff,
Love the content and tend to live for your comparison videos.
Not much powder here in Ohio, but I can't wait to try my new Atomic Maverick 88ti's. Your review of that ski helped me tremendously.
Keep the content coming guys.
Maverick 88 Ti is a great ski! Thanks for the kind words!
Jeff, are you still preferring a rustler 10 in 186 for out west? I’m looking for something a bit more “freeridey” than my Mindbender 99ti for trips to Utah. I ski the Mindbender in a 178 (but don’t mind the 184 for a little more float). Would the Rustler 10 at 186 be a better fit than the 180?
Thanks!!
It's on the long side--I think for most days the 180 will be a better option unless you're using this as a dedicated soft snow ski.
someone make a chapter list plz
It's in there. It's happened before with these longer videos, I think RUclips takes a while to process the info, although it doesn't always happen. They're always in the video description if you don't see them in the timeline. Hard to tell what's going on in RUclips's back end, but we always put them in.
Love your videos, fun but full of information. I live in Crested Butte and am looking for an extreme territory ski. Steeps, tight and all conditions. What ski do you suggest. Looking at QST 106 and Rustler 10. 6', 180 expert but 65 yrs old. Also 181 or 189. Thanks for all your content.
I can’t compare to the rustler, I ride the QST 106 at 180cm and love it for trees turning east in soft steep snow but have hit 60 on groomers and felt solid and rip Aspen moguls no problem, I’m 6’0 160lbs and younger, 189cm feels long if you want to take it off piste
@@BobTheMagicHobo15 So cool your quick reply. This helps quite a bit. Good to know as I like moguls also and we get whoopers here.
Haven't skied the Rustler but either should work well. I'd go 181 on the QST unless you're charging all the time
The Rustler 10 is softer and more forgiving. The QST is higher performing but takes a more skilled pilot. I have the 189 and it is a lot of ski but I'm 250lbs. Also the skis are overweight by 200g each fyi. For your bodyweight and in tight confines go 181cm for sure.
@@bearclaw5115 Thanks to all. Great info and opinions. Appreciate it.
Are you getting your hands on the new Salomon Depart 01?
We skied them last year and they were pretty sweet--pretty different from the QST 106, which I suppose it's closest to in the Salomon line. We did not have a Depart to include in this lineup, but I'd say it'd fit in the Rustler/ Optic 104 range if it were on the wall.
Best choice for tight technical trees if you never go to the park? (Dont prefer twin tips)
Probably Blaze 104 but the K2 106C is also highly mobile. I think I'd take the Blaze if I were to go no twin tips but ARV 106 for a twin.
@SkiEssentials I have the 2022 blaze! 106 c is very intriguing, but not a fan of Made in China.
I thought i was right, but wanted validation. Looks like all my viewing has paid off. I'm an informed consumer! Guess I can use the $ for carving skis. I want that MX 75! 😅
Can someone explain what the purpose of a 105mm waisted piste ski only is? As opposed to a narrower ski designed for that specific purpose? Seems odd to have a ski like the Sakana which apparently doesn't perform so well off piste because its so directional.... am I missing something?
Narrow carving skis are meant for hardpack/ice. The Sakana is meant for carving through soft snow. It's not the most versatile ski out there. That's why Jeff said you could own it 10yrs.
@@bearclaw5115 Narrow carving skis are meant for just that - carving en piste... my knees would not be thanking me after a season of using this as a daily driver... it just feels a little redundant, I guess is what I'm saying - but I take your point, and if you have lots of money - then why not?!
What happens if it snows; you stop skiing?
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May I know what binding would you recommend for prodigy 3? Marker griffon 110 or atomic strive in size 115?
Which Strive? I ask because the 16 has a much burlier heel piece than the 14. With the Griffon, the Jester difference is only in the spring while the Strive has a different heel, and now the 16 also has an MNC toe. I'd rather the Griffon than the Strive 14, but not the 16, if that helps. Brake width is pretty similar, but the 110 might be a bit better.
Qst 106 vs mindbender 106c for a Vermont snowier day ski that still has some all mountain capability? Thanks!
I find the QST stands up to more aggressive skiing, and since I'm 6/2 225, it holds me up better than the K2. I think the K2 is great, but has a more flexible shovel and less of a carving performance. Lighter skiers may find more to like in the K2, though, so depending on your stats, one may work better than the other.
Is there any difference between the men's and women's Mindbender 106c other than graphics? I am looking at a 176 cm and yall have a pretty good deal on last year's women's version...
Nope--same ski different graphic and sizing options!
@@SkiEssentials Thank you!
No M-free 108?
This comparison tops out at 107 with the Paragon. The new M-Free 108 will be featured in the ~110 mm comparison coming up soon with skis ranging from 108 to 112.
No Ripstick 102/108 in the comparison?
Those will be featured with their peers in the appropriate grouping. The 102 with the ~100's and the 108 with the ~110's. Fear not! Ripsticks will get the full treatment.
could you review 1000skis?
We're always on the lookout for stuff we haven't been on yet, and 1000 is right at the top of that list. Our first priority is to skis that we sell, but after that, we love getting on new skis.
Moments?
Unlikely Moments will make their way into these comparisons, but we're planning some on-snow Moment reviews this season.
@@SkiEssentials Why would they not be? Largest US-made (and best) brand out there. Consider the positive impact you can have on the domestic economy by promoting (or at least mentioning) them instead of giant overseas corporations. Just a thought.
Look forward to the review in the future.
@@SkiEssentials - Countach 110 FTW
Line vision stated wieght is 1810, and you weighted 1630g, how is this possible? I know skis are not all the same weight because of manufacturing, but this is like 200g difference. Doesnt make sense?
This one struck me as odd as well, considering I had just looked up the weight in the catalog. While variances do exist, this is a big one. I can't explain why this happens, all I can do is weigh the ski we have and relay that information.
@@SkiEssentials can you sell me this exact pair of skis then 😂
@@lafleureth I am totally curious if they all weigh in light.
@@SkiEssentials me too! I messaged line to have them weigh some more, should get an answer in a few days, but please definitely let me know if you get to weigh others before!
@@SkiEssentials Did you get the chance to weigh some more?
LFG!!
We're going!
FACTION STUDIO ?
Yup! Studio 2 at 102 underfoot will be featured in either/both the 100 mm comparison and/or the twin tip comparison. Studio 3 will find its way into the ~110 collection.
Does this stuff about missing skis/brands mean the Moment Wildcat 101/108/116 makes an appearance in later videos?!?!?!?
No Moments this year in comparison videos. Hopefully we'll get on them this year at an industry demo and give them a whirl!
@@SkiEssentials lol I’m going to ask every year. Thanks for all the great work y’all do.
Nothing from liberty this time?
Scope 104--last ski on the wall as it's the most playful and flexible!
@@SkiEssentials didn’t even realize that! You guys know how much I love my liberties
@@SkiEssentials do you think it’s time to trade in my origin 106?
@@karsonricelli1492 Scope is way looser and more flexible than the Origin. If that's what you're looking for, then by all means it's time for a swap!
@@SkiEssentials thanks, I'm 6'3" 195 and I charge pretty hard on my origin 104, something tells me I'd be overpowering them.
Are you guys gonna do a review on the new Liberty Radian?
I generally don't care much about top sheets but these are all boring or ugly.
I'll defend the Line Sakana with its bandana-style print. The 181 is black instead of green, so that bumps it up a notch in my book. Volkl Revolt 104 is another favorite.
Oh boy is this great !!❄️⛷
Favorite time of year