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I've used Red River Paper for years. Good prices, good quality, and fast shipping (honestly, it's like Red River operates from a building attached to the FedEx terminal at DFW!) As of today October 6, 2024, Red River does not have final profiles for this printer and their papers. Preliminary profiles are available for most, but not all. I've had the printer for a month. So far, the profiles available seem to be fine, but I've not printed anything with people, so I can't say about skin tones. What I have printed seems to match perfectly with a Color Munki-profiled Samsung monitor.
Your comment about papers was spot on. I used a custom profile for Canon pro semi gloss at 81/2 x 11 to be my proof prints. This is an inexpensive paper . I would then print on an expensive paper (with custom profile) for the final print and size. With regard to waste ink, you understated just how bad it is with this printer. It is the Canon technology and it is horrible. The ratio of waste to ink on paper will of course vary depending on how much u print but the best I ever saw was waste of 1.2 times ink on paper for a print shop to 10 times the ink put on paper for infrequent printing (2-4 prints a week)!! And this is with NEVER turning the printer off.
Yes, ink use is not to be ignored. My testing is of a loan machine, and quite varied, so it doesn't give me the opportunity to get a good set of data covering this.
This was just the video I was looking for. Although after the fact for me, this printer was ordered and delivered and 2 samples printed before I discovered the video! But it was very helpful just the same. I learned quite a bit from this. So a big Thank You!!
Remarkably helpful information. Mr. Cooper seems to genuinely care about his viewers and teaching them how to actually print….from years of teaching experience. Perspective, ability as a teacher and depth. Wow. One of the better things on youtube!
WOW, This is tailor made for me, answering so many questions in one go, I am not a Pro Photographer , just an enthusiast , although I have always bought the best gear I could afford, maybe that's wasted on me ???, but after a lifetime of taking photos, I was recently thinking about the fact that 99% of all my work has never ended up on a wall , I have had a few choice pieces printed over the years but never owned a proper Pro photo printer , and decided I would get a good modern printer, so I pre ordered the 1100, having previously had a few prints done with the following paper I bought Canson Baryta Matt paper (2 boxes of A2) and a box of the Canson Baryta lustre (1box of A2) damn expensive paper , but its paid for, and I did think that my printer results would be more consistent, if I kept to just a couple of paper types. luckily the printer came with some canon paper, and I will get a couple more while I am learning. this is an adventure for me , not looking to make money out of printing , just hoping to finally get some of my photos on some walls.
Thanks Keith for all this info on the new PRO-1100. For a first general use paper I would recommend the Canon Semi-Gloss (SG-201). It is mt favorite general use paper and I prefer it over the Luster.
I love it when a video like this comes out on the very day when I just got this as my first serious printer haha. I'm very technologically inclined/detail oriented, and I've taken the time to learn a lot from research and from watching your videos ... so I guess I'll find out today if I made the right choice! 😂 Also I appreciate the tip about not turning it off, I'm curious though if that applies to short power interruptions (cord coming loose, etc)?
@@_MrEvo_ I heard got that same advice when I first got my Pro-10 5 yrs ago. It’s been on ever since. Have it on a UPS. Never had an issue with it. Print regularly with a week or two off. Never let it go more than 2 weeks w/o at least a test print to keep it active. Never seemed to go thru or wast ink. Yes always on excellent advice.
Thanks for great video! About ink usage. Have you looked at Canon Accounting Manager software? When I put price of the ink and papers there, it calculated print price for me. To my understanding this does not take into account ink going to maintenance cart. Based on some forum information I found from PRO-1000 I estimated that ratio 50/50 for my occasional printing needs might be pretty close. To me that ink cost does not seem that high, but the papers are one getting that print price up.
Yes, covered it in my lengthy pro-1000 and pro-2000 reviews - will cover it again in the main written pro-1100 review who I do it. I can't run some of the accounting stuff on this test printer at the moment since I removed the admin password [such a pain to use if you are testing things and keep changing settings] However, none of the printers I've looked at were here long enough to get any reliable maintenance ink use info - my testing is simply to varied.
I got a pro-1100 as my first (after more than 18 years of photography). Main reason for getting this one is being able to print larger as well, and replace things on my walls. One question though: in your videos, I always hear you advice explicitly against using Lightroom for printing. Why? So far I’ve started printing from Lightrooms print module directly, and it seems to work just fine. The paper profiles have been updated inside the printer, and in Lightroom I can just select those paper profiles. One additional note: the “premium pro matte” paper you recommended in this video is actually categorized (in the printer paper profiles) as a “fine art” paper.
Ah - I just personally dislike LR for a whole host of reasons ;-) I always suggest it's fine if you find it useful, but I do realise I'm flying against the whole lightroom training industry... If I was a wedding or event photographer I might use it but I'm not... Yes - it's categorised that way mainly by the power of marketing ;-) 'Fine Art' meaning whatever you want it to mean in so many areas...
Hi Keith, I was wondering does the Pro-2100 have the same maintenance issue if it’s powered off? The reason I ask is that I have a Pro-2600 that will be arriving later this l week and I didn’t know if it’s best to leave it switched on. I can’t seem to find any info on the 2600 and I suspect that it probably has the same “features” that the 2100 does. Thank you for all the videos you put out, they are extremely helpful to those of us who are venturing into more professional printing.
It seems that the 2600, whilst having the same printhead as the 2100 has more sophisticated head monitoring [not found in the 1100 btw], which is supposed to improve things. That said, I've not been able to track down any more info. Have a check of Canon marketing materials for the 2600 [check different regions - I initially go for US/UK/Australia]
Thanks it is a lot of fun following your videos about this printer as I explore it myself. You indicated you shut it off for a week. Did it do a big ink dump when you turned it back on. trying to decide whether to turn it off when I am in Yellowstone in a week. I am leaning towards leaving it on.
CC captioning was turned on when your video started. It said no light images. Had a laugh. Yah that’s not gonna work. Thank you for the test images, helped me tweak my printing.
I have to say this (again). I don't need the back loading slot, but even using the top feed, with the guide fully extended, I need 10.5 inches behind the printer to keep the guide from hitting the wall. Not a reason to not buy this printer, but you need to know the space required from the back of the printer to the wall behind.
Thank you for your excellent videos that are most helpful. I currently print with an Epson P800 and am wondering if you've measured the amount of lost ink when switching between mat and glossy papers. It seems like quite a lot. Also, the same question for the Canon Pro-1100 (or Pro-1000).
@@KeithCooper Thanks. Even though I'm mostly happy with my P800 I was considering switching to the Pro-1000 or 1100 just so I wouldn't lose ink when switching between mat and photo black inks. But I've now computed that at current P800 ink prices, even assuming a loss of 8ml for a roundtrip switch, the cost is about US$6.37. It would take a lot of switches to justify the cost of a new printer so irritating as it is, I'll stay with the P800 for now.
I have been using Canon imagePROGRAF printers in non-commercial use, for 10 years (iPF5100 and currently iPF2000) Absolutely leave the power on unless you will not be printing for 2-3 weeks. (Did a lot of testing in 10 years) The auto maintenance cycle seems to use far less ink than when you power off/on.
Thanks for that - I'll be trying to address this in more detail in a specific video. My problem is that I get limited ability to test a printer on loan like this one.
My Epson 3880 (RIP) had no scheduled maintenance cycle, but I ran the nozzle check once a week during times of little use, and that kept everything working without using much ink. I wonder if that would with this printer--if it's even possible to change or turn off the scheduled ink flushing. 12 cartridges at $59 each? OK the Chroma Optimizer is "only" $54. Canon doesn't make money on the sale of printers, but each printer sale is like an annuity for Canon.
@@cesarebeccaria7641 There are some settings, but it's not entirely clear what they do - I've only got the printer here for the month, so am limited in any testing. in this respect
@@KeithCooper @cesarebeccaria7641 Thank you very much for the excellent dissemination work you do. It would be nice to know that what you will check on the Pro 1100 is also valid for the old Pro 1000. I apologize for the translation from Italian to English which will probably not be perfect.
17" models: Epson P900 and P5300 All three aimed at different sets of requirements I'll have a video specifically addressing this, but not until I've finished the PRO-1100 review
That world be the Epson P900 I believe. I personally went with the Epson mainly because it’s smaller and lighter but also because the labs I use for larger prints use Epson printers and the same pigment inks.
@@KeithCooper I will be looking forward to that video. I had considered exactly those three printers, but eventually narrowed it down to the Pro 1100 and the P5370 (in the US). I previously had an Epson 4900 which had its print head replaced under warranty and gave me a lot of clogging issues, but I read that the print head of the P5370 is the same as the P900 which (I read) is a marked improvement in terms of not clogging as easily. I decided for the Pro 1100 mostly because of size (the P5370 is much bigger and heavier and it would have been a struggle to make it fit in my office) and the fact that, while a roll holder would come in handy, I would not use it regularly as I mainly print on precut sheets. And if I need to make the occasional print from a roll, I can cut the sheet from the roll and feed it to the printer. Not ideal, but doing so occasionally should not be too big of a bother. In terms of ink cost, the Pro 1100 ($0.75 per ml in the US) sits in between the P900 ($0.88 per ml) and the P5370 ($0.48 per ml). However, in order for the ink cost savings ($0.27/ml) to make up for the price difference between the Pro 1100 and the P5370 ($650 in the US), one needs to make a lot of prints…
Hi Keith, thanks for the review of the 1100, you mention not turning off the printer, my Epson P600 switches off automatically after a certain period of time is this not the case with the Canon 1100 will it just remain on? Many thanks Mark
Hi Keith - great to bump into you a couple of weeks and briefly talk about this new printer. The ink use during start-up is a an issue I've come across before. It never entered my head to leave the printer switched on. That makes sense, but, there is still an unseen cost. This is very much a background issue, but, it would be useful if not enlightening to know what the power usage is while the printer is in an idle state (or sleep mode if that is different). In these days of high costs of electricity having some idea of what it's going to cost just sitting there would be useful. 1W equates to a cost of c£3/year. Not a massive amount. But if it is sat there constantly sinking 10W or more 24/7, the hidden costs start to mount. Canon quote a sleep mode of 2.3W. Is that the same as leaving it switched on, or, does that mode itself use ink when it returns to on-state. OK - It isn't a massive cost to many, especially pros where it's a drop in the ocean, but could be significant over time to a more casual user but still much less than the ink loss issue. Is that something that you could add into your testing? Just a thought.
I don't have the equipment to measure such characteristics. However I believe the printer does go into a lower power mode after a short period of inactivity.
I primarily use an analog workflow, but occasionally I opt for a hybrid workflow by outsourcing to the drugstore print guy. I use 100+ year-old panoramic cameras, and I often digitally scan the images and later print them for cost reasons. I remember you mentioned other printers for roll paper and panoramic photos. If the Pro 1100 isn't the best option, what would you recommend for mostly black and white work?
PRO-2600 [24" roll] or P5300 [17"] both print well using the B&W print mode, but you need care in adjustments and pasper choice All my written reviews contain sections covering B&W www.northlight-images.co.uk/photography-articles-and-reviews/printing-paper-reviews-articles/
Not worth upgrading from Pro-1000? I didn't think so. Except for the ink set, much hasn't changed. Sure, my prints will look good for 200 years vs 180 years on the Pro-1000, but I'll wait for a significant printer upgrade before switching. But I love the Pro-1000, it does everything I need, is dead easy to set up and use, and with a calibrated monitor, my prints are always spot-on. My only complaint is that it is a voracious ink monster.
I don't replace working appliances. My Epson 3880 bit the dust. When I searched for a replacement, I saw the P1000 has been around a long time. In the last year or two I had the Epson 3880 ink cartridges became harder to find and more expensive (at the end only Epson sold them for $90 each.) So I waited for a new release. The P1100 was it.
Hi Keith , its me again . I guess I fall into the group of new starter printers that jumped in feet first ( trying to run before I could walk ) and bought a Pro-1000 ( and also a Pro-300 ) . Watching this video you have highlighted one of the many things I don't understand which is keeping the printer turned on ? . For about the first 18 months of getting the printer I printed quite often and only changed the maintenance once . As I've used it slightly less in the last months I've had to change it again and its showing almost full again . I don't physically turn off the printer it just shuts down on its own . I'd got it into my head that I should turn it on even when I wasn't going to print but I'm now thinking I've got this all wrong ! ! . Casting my mind back I remember something about changing the factory settings to stop the printer turning off ( or am I just talking rubbish ) . Any advice on this subject would be most welcome .
It will auto-shutdown by default Go into the menu and in printer settings find the power management options and turn off the auto powerdown. You need to look at the manual though! This is the sort of stuff I only really cover in the written reviews though, so I will address it in due course.
Thanks for another great video!! I'm trying to decide on my next printer. I had an Epson 8550, but after 10k prints, the margins aren't correct. I also have a Canon Pro 2100, which is great with some caveats. Do you think the Pro 1100 would be a good replacement for the 8550? Also, what is the print speed like on the Pro 1100?
Nope - I rarely ever make recommendations ;-) If the 8550 lasted 10k prints, do the calculations on ink cost? Remember that even with heavier use, the 1100 is likely to use over 20% of its ink for cleaning
Hello Kieth. You mentioned that it is better to leave the printer on all the time. Is it the same for a pro 300 ? Should we also disable auto power off ?
I've been printing for a few years now on a pro-100 and was thinking of getting the pro-1100 so that I can print larger. I was wondering whether the print quality is noticeably better on the pro-1100. I mainly print on luster and baryta paper.
Ah - define 'print quality' and 'noticeable'... ;-) Yes, but most people would never spot the difference unless told. It will challenge your photography and editing skills more. Any differences would be more noticeable on the baryta - but remember 'your favourite papers' can mean little when moving to a new printer. You choose papers after the printer ;-)
Thank you again Keith for such wise and logical training and advice. Iv been printing for 5yrs and learned much but your vids are packed with excellent training confirming some things for me and teaching so much more. I am very pleased and thrilled with what I get from My Pro10 but as you well Know the limitations are now an issue. A question please re Pro10 I can’t use PPL Pro10 won’t work w that. So after looking at other print software I print from with in Photoshop or LR with excellent results. My Question I heard or read years ago from someone I had come to trust that when selecting printer details. The name, I should use “Canon Pro-10 Series XPS” that this “Name” prints from the raw processed files within PS or LR. Are you familiar w this? What’s the value of choosing the XPS option if any? Thank you again for all you share with us all!! Scott
Thanks, but I'm afraid xps is a windows PC thing - I've not used one for many years The place I'd ask is the printing forum at: www.dpreview.com/forums/1003
@@regquinn400yes thank you!! I do recall that now as you pointed out. So weather I can or can’t tell The diff why not chose the potentially better. Thank you!!
Hi Keith , I have a question but sorry its not really relative to this video and its extremely long winded ! . I purchased some Hahnemuhle Natural Line test packs through Fotospeed . I tried a few prints until I got to the Bamboo Gloss Baryta ( which I was looking forward to ). I did download the ICC profile along with the PDF file which gives information about media settings . After editing my image and clicking print ( this is in photoshop on a PC ) I then had to navigate the drop downs . I set everything correctly on the Driver and software but wasn't sure how to set paper type on the printer , think I best guessed Heavy Art Paper but always thought this setting was just a prompt for the user ! . Anyway , on clicking print I was presented with a message saying .... Media Type is not Set Correctly Support Code 4111 . After looking through some youtube I decided to have a go at the Canon Media Configuration Tool . Watched the relevant Fotospeed video but fell at the first hurdle ! . Maybe because I'm of a certain generation that doesn't accept information well I found the first window of FIND PRINTER quite bewildering . I had to choose the printer from the list , which is fine . But the list showed 2 Pro-1000's and 2 Pro-300's . I should say that I have both a Canon Pro 300 and 1000 wi-fi connected to my Windows and mac systems . Didn't know which printer to choose , one started 192 ............ , the other fe80:: .......... . I tried them both . I went through the Media Configuration Tool process but couldn't get it to show the paper I wanted on the printer drop down menu . ???????? Anyway , as I tried and tried I went for Plus Semi Gloss on the printer and flipping heck it printed . Having looked into it more , I found someone saying that information wouldn't be transferred between computer and printer unless wired . ( mine is wi-fi or bluetooth or whatever you call it ) . Sorry again this is a great long ramble , but I hope it might be of interest to someone or even a subject for one of your future vidio's .
In general I won't bother with the MCT - I much prefer a plain icc profile and a media setting. I won't be creating amx1 files for any of the papers I test. Just not worth the effort.
@@KeithCooper Hi , could I just clarify my previous question regarding Canon Media Configuration tool . I used MCT only as a means to add the actual paper name I wanted to use to the printer drop down list . I still set up the print driver on the computer so Photoshop Manages Colours ( not the printer ) , rightly or wrongly I thought this might remove the "Media Type is not set Correctly Support Code 4111 " message . When you did your first video guides to the new Pro-1100 you mentioned that the Paper Type drop down menu on the printer could be customised , I wondered if you might have the time to be able to explain this further . Thanks .
@@sawdoctor2737 Yes - the MCT is something I'd perhaps use if I only used a few paper types. Normally though I just know [it's written on the box, and in my profile name] which media setting to use - I originally tried creating custom papers yers ago with my iPF8300 - unless they were really quite different from the media type used [thickness for example] it was just too much effort. This is something I discuss in my written reviews and maybe in passing in the videos - my written stuff is where the detail always goes, because I can refine/edit/correct/update it - none of which I can do with these videos [which are always meant as supplements to the final written review]
I do not own a printer, And of course it is tempting to do prints myself, most of all large format prints. However a large format print at Whitewall costs me about 20 Euro each, more or less. So I had to do at least 55 prints until only the printer buying costs would be compensated, paper and ink costs not even included. And I usually need 4 to 6 large format prints per year. It is a very simple calculation - a "milkmaid calculation", as we say in Germany: It just isn't worth it for me. Bit of a shame, though.
Keith have you upgraded to Mac Sequoia OS - I seem to have lost communication with my Pro-1000 since the update - fortunately I have a Mac Book Pro with Big Sur which I can use for printing. - seems that Canon's update is not due until end of October - any news appreciated.
No MacOS 15 here... I've asked about this with Canon but don't have any info I've a longstanding policy of never upgrading Macs I use for work until I need to. I only have 14 on my MBP and Studio since they are new - caused all sorts of issues in reliably printing profiling targets... The [souped up] Mac Pro I use for a lot of general stuff still is on 10.15 ;-)
@@KeithCooper Just to update you - after nearly a day of head scratching and reconfiguring it appears that Sequoia does not like the wired lan - switched it to a USB connection (together with a firmware upgrade on the printer) and we are now back in action - thanks so much for your advice I will be cautious next time Apple releases and upgrade.
Greetings, Could you please recommend me paper for printing playing cards (Trading Card Games) and a printer to print them. I'm currently thinking of buying Canon Pixma G540, but I'm not sure if this is the right printer for me and if heavy card stock of 300 gsm or more. Please sir help me
Nope - nothing on that printer will give results of any permanence or wear resistance on a printer like that, unless you laminate it. Nor will any of the other printers I've looked at work well in that role. There are reasons such work is created on commercial presses with the inks they use.
I bought a Pro-1000 and I followed all procedures trying to create my own paper profile for Ilford paper, failed. Then I tried downloading Ilford paper profile from their website and add to printer via media manager, failed. I am getting error 4111 message - an unsuited media type is set. Cannot proceed to print and drivers stopped responding. Printer can only get back to normal after reinstallation of both normal and xps driver. This is fraustrating…
I would only normally use just media icc profiles and the associated media setting - I would not make custom media or use the MCT unless I had a good reason for it. That's on Macs though, but I can't see it wouldn't be the same if on PC.
@@KeithCooperthis is what I am doing now. Choosing Canon Pro Luster while printing on Ilford Smooth Pearl, and apply the Ilford icc profile. The result is very good, but I don’t like the idea that I am not able to use certain functions that is supposed to be working.
A good deal - I would be careful buying an 1100 at the moment - I have a few potential concerns with better quality papers [baryta and thicker photo types]
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I've used Red River Paper for years. Good prices, good quality, and fast shipping (honestly, it's like Red River operates from a building attached to the FedEx terminal at DFW!) As of today October 6, 2024, Red River does not have final profiles for this printer and their papers. Preliminary profiles are available for most, but not all. I've had the printer for a month. So far, the profiles available seem to be fine, but I've not printed anything with people, so I can't say about skin tones. What I have printed seems to match perfectly with a Color Munki-profiled Samsung monitor.
@@cesarebeccaria7641 Red River is not located at DFW airport. It is in an industrial area of Dallas.
Your comment about papers was spot on. I used a custom profile for Canon pro semi gloss at 81/2 x 11 to be my proof prints. This is an inexpensive paper . I would then print on an expensive paper (with custom profile) for the final print and size. With regard to waste ink, you understated just how bad it is with this printer. It is the Canon technology and it is horrible. The ratio of waste to ink on paper will of course vary depending on how much u print but the best I ever saw was waste of 1.2 times ink on paper for a print shop to 10 times the ink put on paper for infrequent printing (2-4 prints a week)!! And this is with NEVER turning the printer off.
Yes, ink use is not to be ignored. My testing is of a loan machine, and quite varied, so it doesn't give me the opportunity to get a good set of data covering this.
This was just the video I was looking for. Although after the fact for me, this printer was ordered and delivered and 2 samples printed before I discovered the video! But it was very helpful just the same. I learned quite a bit from this. So a big Thank You!!
Glad it was of use - I'll have a full review in a week or two
Remarkably helpful information. Mr. Cooper seems to genuinely care about his viewers and teaching them how to actually print….from years of teaching experience. Perspective, ability as a teacher and depth. Wow. One of the better things on youtube!
Thanks - glad it was of interest
WOW, This is tailor made for me, answering so many questions in one go, I am not a Pro Photographer , just an enthusiast , although I have always bought the best gear I could afford, maybe that's wasted on me ???, but after a lifetime of taking photos, I was recently thinking about the fact that 99% of all my work has never ended up on a wall , I have had a few choice pieces printed over the years but never owned a proper Pro photo printer , and decided I would get a good modern printer, so I pre ordered the 1100, having previously had a few prints done with the following paper I bought Canson Baryta Matt paper (2 boxes of A2) and a box of the Canson Baryta lustre (1box of A2) damn expensive paper , but its paid for, and I did think that my printer results would be more consistent, if I kept to just a couple of paper types. luckily the printer came with some canon paper, and I will get a couple more while I am learning. this is an adventure for me , not looking to make money out of printing , just hoping to finally get some of my photos on some walls.
glad to have helped things along!
THAT is exactly my question! Thank you!
Glad to have helped.
I'll have lots more detail over the next few weeks, but hoped this would be of relevance to some!
Thanks Keith for all this info on the new PRO-1100. For a first general use paper I would recommend the Canon Semi-Gloss (SG-201). It is mt favorite general use paper and I prefer it over the Luster.
Yes - no hard and fast guidelines there - just didn't have a pack of it to hand when filming ;-)
I love it when a video like this comes out on the very day when I just got this as my first serious printer haha. I'm very technologically inclined/detail oriented, and I've taken the time to learn a lot from research and from watching your videos ... so I guess I'll find out today if I made the right choice! 😂
Also I appreciate the tip about not turning it off, I'm curious though if that applies to short power interruptions (cord coming loose, etc)?
Thanks - don't know about power glitches - I've only got it here for a while
@@_MrEvo_ I heard got that same advice when I first got my Pro-10 5 yrs ago.
It’s been on ever since. Have it on a UPS.
Never had an issue with it. Print regularly with a week or two off. Never let it go more than 2 weeks w/o at least a test print to keep it active.
Never seemed to go thru or wast ink.
Yes always on excellent advice.
Good advice. Thanks to you I am really enjoying printing and it enhances my photography
Thanks!
Thanks for great video!
About ink usage. Have you looked at Canon Accounting Manager software? When I put price of the ink and papers there, it calculated print price for me. To my understanding this does not take into account ink going to maintenance cart. Based on some forum information I found from PRO-1000 I estimated that ratio 50/50 for my occasional printing needs might be pretty close. To me that ink cost does not seem that high, but the papers are one getting that print price up.
Yes, covered it in my lengthy pro-1000 and pro-2000 reviews - will cover it again in the main written pro-1100 review who I do it.
I can't run some of the accounting stuff on this test printer at the moment since I removed the admin password [such a pain to use if you are testing things and keep changing settings]
However, none of the printers I've looked at were here long enough to get any reliable maintenance ink use info - my testing is simply to varied.
I got a pro-1100 as my first (after more than 18 years of photography). Main reason for getting this one is being able to print larger as well, and replace things on my walls.
One question though: in your videos, I always hear you advice explicitly against using Lightroom for printing. Why? So far I’ve started printing from Lightrooms print module directly, and it seems to work just fine. The paper profiles have been updated inside the printer, and in Lightroom I can just select those paper profiles.
One additional note: the “premium pro matte” paper you recommended in this video is actually categorized (in the printer paper profiles) as a “fine art” paper.
Ah - I just personally dislike LR for a whole host of reasons ;-)
I always suggest it's fine if you find it useful, but I do realise I'm flying against the whole lightroom training industry...
If I was a wedding or event photographer I might use it but I'm not...
Yes - it's categorised that way mainly by the power of marketing ;-) 'Fine Art' meaning whatever you want it to mean in so many areas...
Hi Keith, I was wondering does the Pro-2100 have the same maintenance issue if it’s powered off? The reason I ask is that I have a Pro-2600 that will be arriving later this l week and I didn’t know if it’s best to leave it switched on. I can’t seem to find any info on the 2600 and I suspect that it probably has the same “features” that the 2100 does.
Thank you for all the videos you put out, they are extremely helpful to those of us who are venturing into more professional printing.
It seems that the 2600, whilst having the same printhead as the 2100 has more sophisticated head monitoring [not found in the 1100 btw], which is supposed to improve things.
That said, I've not been able to track down any more info.
Have a check of Canon marketing materials for the 2600 [check different regions - I initially go for US/UK/Australia]
Thanks it is a lot of fun following your videos about this printer as I explore it myself. You indicated you shut it off for a week. Did it do a big ink dump when you turned it back on. trying to decide whether to turn it off when I am in Yellowstone in a week. I am leaning towards leaving it on.
Leave it on...
I'll be reporting in due course on how much ink it slurped ;-)
@@KeithCooper thanks will do
Thanks so much, as ever.
Thanks
Very interesting and helpful, thank you Keith.
Thanks
CC captioning was turned on when your video started. It said no light images. Had a laugh. Yah that’s not gonna work. Thank you for the test images, helped me tweak my printing.
Yes, it takes a lot of edit work to fix all of its transcription errors.
I will do it sometimes [for the main reviews for example]
I have to say this (again). I don't need the back loading slot, but even using the top feed, with the guide fully extended, I need 10.5 inches behind the printer to keep the guide from hitting the wall. Not a reason to not buy this printer, but you need to know the space required from the back of the printer to the wall behind.
Indeed, I'll cover this in some more detail in the actual review.
It's mentioned in one of my previous videos
Thank you for your excellent videos that are most helpful. I currently print with an Epson P800 and am wondering if you've measured the amount of lost ink when switching between mat and glossy papers. It seems like quite a lot. Also, the same question for the Canon Pro-1100 (or Pro-1000).
Not measured - it is typically some 2-4ml
More for one switch than the other IIRC
Oh and there is no switch for the 1000/1100 [or P900/P5300]
@@KeithCooper Thanks. Even though I'm mostly happy with my P800 I was considering switching to the Pro-1000 or 1100 just so I wouldn't lose ink when switching between mat and photo black inks. But I've now computed that at current P800 ink prices, even assuming a loss of 8ml for a roundtrip switch, the cost is about US$6.37. It would take a lot of switches to justify the cost of a new printer so irritating as it is, I'll stay with the P800 for now.
@@MarkNF1 It's still a good printer...
I have been using Canon imagePROGRAF printers in non-commercial use, for 10 years (iPF5100 and currently iPF2000) Absolutely leave the power on unless you will not be printing for 2-3 weeks. (Did a lot of testing in 10 years) The auto maintenance cycle seems to use far less ink than when you power off/on.
Thanks for that - I'll be trying to address this in more detail in a specific video.
My problem is that I get limited ability to test a printer on loan like this one.
My Epson 3880 (RIP) had no scheduled maintenance cycle, but I ran the nozzle check once a week during times of little use, and that kept everything working without using much ink. I wonder if that would with this printer--if it's even possible to change or turn off the scheduled ink flushing. 12 cartridges at $59 each? OK the Chroma Optimizer is "only" $54. Canon doesn't make money on the sale of printers, but each printer sale is like an annuity for Canon.
@@cesarebeccaria7641 There are some settings, but it's not entirely clear what they do - I've only got the printer here for the month, so am limited in any testing. in this respect
@@KeithCooper @cesarebeccaria7641 Thank you very much for the excellent dissemination work you do. It would be nice to know that what you will check on the Pro 1100 is also valid for the old Pro 1000. I apologize for the translation from Italian to English which will probably not be perfect.
@@casuanto Ah - I reviewed the pro-1000 in detail in 2016. So long ago that I'd have to re-read the review to know what I tested...
Definitely looking at this as my first serious one. But wondering what the closest Epson competitor might be and for what reasons.
17" models: Epson P900 and P5300
All three aimed at different sets of requirements
I'll have a video specifically addressing this, but not until I've finished the PRO-1100 review
That world be the Epson P900 I believe. I personally went with the Epson mainly because it’s smaller and lighter but also because the labs I use for larger prints use Epson printers and the same pigment inks.
@@KeithCooper I will be looking forward to that video. I had considered exactly those three printers, but eventually narrowed it down to the Pro 1100 and the P5370 (in the US).
I previously had an Epson 4900 which had its print head replaced under warranty and gave me a lot of clogging issues, but I read that the print head of the P5370 is the same as the P900 which (I read) is a marked improvement in terms of not clogging as easily.
I decided for the Pro 1100 mostly because of size (the P5370 is much bigger and heavier and it would have been a struggle to make it fit in my office) and the fact that, while a roll holder would come in handy, I would not use it regularly as I mainly print on precut sheets. And if I need to make the occasional print from a roll, I can cut the sheet from the roll and feed it to the printer. Not ideal, but doing so occasionally should not be too big of a bother.
In terms of ink cost, the Pro 1100 ($0.75 per ml in the US) sits in between the P900 ($0.88 per ml) and the P5370 ($0.48 per ml). However, in order for the ink cost savings ($0.27/ml) to make up for the price difference between the Pro 1100 and the P5370 ($650 in the US), one needs to make a lot of prints…
I have a P5000 here and will also add it into the mix when doing the video ;-)
Hi Keith, thanks for the review of the 1100, you mention not turning off the printer, my Epson P600 switches off automatically after a certain period of time is this not the case with the Canon 1100 will it just remain on?
Many thanks
Mark
The Canon has a power management option to leave it on [it goes quiet and the screen is blank] otherwise it will turn itself off after a while
Hi Keith - great to bump into you a couple of weeks and briefly talk about this new printer. The ink use during start-up is a an issue I've come across before. It never entered my head to leave the printer switched on. That makes sense, but, there is still an unseen cost.
This is very much a background issue, but, it would be useful if not enlightening to know what the power usage is while the printer is in an idle state (or sleep mode if that is different). In these days of high costs of electricity having some idea of what it's going to cost just sitting there would be useful. 1W equates to a cost of c£3/year. Not a massive amount. But if it is sat there constantly sinking 10W or more 24/7, the hidden costs start to mount. Canon quote a sleep mode of 2.3W. Is that the same as leaving it switched on, or, does that mode itself use ink when it returns to on-state. OK - It isn't a massive cost to many, especially pros where it's a drop in the ocean, but could be significant over time to a more casual user but still much less than the ink loss issue. Is that something that you could add into your testing? Just a thought.
I don't have the equipment to measure such characteristics. However I believe the printer does go into a lower power mode after a short period of inactivity.
I primarily use an analog workflow, but occasionally I opt for a hybrid workflow by outsourcing to the drugstore print guy. I use 100+ year-old panoramic cameras, and I often digitally scan the images and later print them for cost reasons. I remember you mentioned other printers for roll paper and panoramic photos. If the Pro 1100 isn't the best option, what would you recommend for mostly black and white work?
PRO-2600 [24" roll] or P5300 [17"]
both print well using the B&W print mode, but you need care in adjustments and pasper choice
All my written reviews contain sections covering B&W
www.northlight-images.co.uk/photography-articles-and-reviews/printing-paper-reviews-articles/
What a great video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Not worth upgrading from Pro-1000? I didn't think so. Except for the ink set, much hasn't changed. Sure, my prints will look good for 200 years vs 180 years on the Pro-1000, but I'll wait for a significant printer upgrade before switching. But I love the Pro-1000, it does everything I need, is dead easy to set up and use, and with a calibrated monitor, my prints are always spot-on. My only complaint is that it is a voracious ink monster.
I cannot disagree with you there...
@@KeithCooper And a hearty thank-you for doing all this work for us, Keith!
I don't replace working appliances. My Epson 3880 bit the dust. When I searched for a replacement, I saw the P1000 has been around a long time. In the last year or two I had the Epson 3880 ink cartridges became harder to find and more expensive (at the end only Epson sold them for $90 each.) So I waited for a new release. The P1100 was it.
Some more good tips Keith
Thanks
Hi Keith , its me again . I guess I fall into the group of new starter printers that jumped in feet first ( trying to run before I could walk ) and bought a Pro-1000 ( and also a Pro-300 ) . Watching this video you have highlighted one of the many things I don't understand which is keeping the printer turned on ? . For about the first 18 months of getting the printer I printed quite often and only changed the maintenance once . As I've used it slightly less in the last months I've had to change it again and its showing almost full again . I don't physically turn off the printer it just shuts down on its own . I'd got it into my head that I should turn it on even when I wasn't going to print but I'm now thinking I've got this all wrong ! ! . Casting my mind back I remember something about changing the factory settings to stop the printer turning off ( or am I just talking rubbish ) . Any advice on this subject would be most welcome .
It will auto-shutdown by default
Go into the menu and in printer settings find the power management options and turn off the auto powerdown.
You need to look at the manual though! This is the sort of stuff I only really cover in the written reviews though, so I will address it in due course.
Thanks for another great video!! I'm trying to decide on my next printer. I had an Epson 8550, but after 10k prints, the margins aren't correct. I also have a Canon Pro 2100, which is great with some caveats. Do you think the Pro 1100 would be a good replacement for the 8550? Also, what is the print speed like on the Pro 1100?
Thanks - a much more expensive to run replacement...
The 1100 is not very quick if you print in high or highest quaity
@@KeithCooper Thanks for the quick reply! Any advice for what to buy?
Nope - I rarely ever make recommendations ;-)
If the 8550 lasted 10k prints, do the calculations on ink cost?
Remember that even with heavier use, the 1100 is likely to use over 20% of its ink for cleaning
@@KeithCooper thanks for all the info 🙏.
It’s funny, I purchased this printer (my first real printer) the day before you released this video.
I'll have lots more about it! ;-)
Thank you.
Glad it was of interest
Hello Kieth. You mentioned that it is better to leave the printer on all the time. Is it the same for a pro 300 ? Should we also disable auto power off ?
The 1100 and 1000 are different
For the 300 I switch it off if I'm unlikely to use for weeks
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I've been printing for a few years now on a pro-100 and was thinking of getting the pro-1100 so that I can print larger. I was wondering whether the print quality is noticeably better on the pro-1100. I mainly print on luster and baryta paper.
Ah - define 'print quality' and 'noticeable'... ;-)
Yes, but most people would never spot the difference unless told.
It will challenge your photography and editing skills more.
Any differences would be more noticeable on the baryta - but remember 'your favourite papers' can mean little when moving to a new printer. You choose papers after the printer ;-)
Thank you again Keith for such wise and logical training and advice. Iv been printing for 5yrs and learned much but your vids are packed with excellent training confirming some things for me and teaching so much more.
I am very pleased and thrilled with what I get from
My Pro10 but as you well
Know the limitations are now an issue.
A question please re Pro10
I can’t use PPL Pro10 won’t work w that.
So after looking at other print software I print from with in Photoshop or LR with excellent results.
My Question
I heard or read years ago from someone I had come to trust that when selecting printer details. The name, I should use “Canon Pro-10 Series XPS” that this “Name” prints from the raw processed files within PS or LR.
Are you familiar w this? What’s the value of choosing the XPS option if any?
Thank you again for all you share with us all!!
Scott
Thanks, but I'm afraid xps is a windows PC thing - I've not used one for many years
The place I'd ask is the printing forum at:
www.dpreview.com/forums/1003
XPS is 16 bit, the non XPS is 8 bit, so theoretically XPS will provide better quality, but it may be difficult to see the difference.
@@regquinn400 Thanks for pointing that out
@@regquinn400yes thank you!!
I do recall that now as you pointed out. So weather I can or can’t tell
The diff why not chose the potentially better.
Thank you!!
@@lschiz-photography1765 I agree, I always use the XPS printer driver for the reason you state. I think it has something to do with perfectionism!
Hi Keith , I have a question but sorry its not really relative to this video and its extremely long winded ! . I purchased some Hahnemuhle Natural Line test packs through Fotospeed . I tried a few prints until I got to the Bamboo Gloss Baryta ( which I was looking forward to ). I did download the ICC profile along with the PDF file which gives information about media settings . After editing my image and clicking print ( this is in photoshop on a PC ) I then had to navigate the drop downs . I set everything correctly on the Driver and software but wasn't sure how to set paper type on the printer , think I best guessed Heavy Art Paper but always thought this setting was just a prompt for the user ! . Anyway , on clicking print I was presented with a message saying .... Media Type is not Set Correctly Support Code 4111 .
After looking through some youtube I decided to have a go at the Canon Media Configuration Tool . Watched the relevant Fotospeed video but fell at the first hurdle ! . Maybe because I'm of a certain generation that doesn't accept information well I found the first window of FIND PRINTER quite bewildering .
I had to choose the printer from the list , which is fine . But the list showed 2 Pro-1000's and 2 Pro-300's . I should say that I have both a Canon Pro 300 and 1000 wi-fi connected to my Windows and mac systems . Didn't know which printer to choose , one started 192 ............ , the other fe80:: .......... . I tried them both .
I went through the Media Configuration Tool process but couldn't get it to show the paper I wanted on the printer drop down menu . ????????
Anyway , as I tried and tried I went for Plus Semi Gloss on the printer and flipping heck it printed .
Having looked into it more , I found someone saying that information wouldn't be transferred between computer and printer unless wired . ( mine is wi-fi or bluetooth or whatever you call it ) .
Sorry again this is a great long ramble , but I hope it might be of interest to someone or even a subject for one of your future vidio's .
In general I won't bother with the MCT - I much prefer a plain icc profile and a media setting.
I won't be creating amx1 files for any of the papers I test. Just not worth the effort.
Thanks for your reply . I was at a loss as to why the printer wouldn’t work . I’ll have a word with Canon .
@@KeithCooper Hi , could I just clarify my previous question regarding Canon Media Configuration tool . I used MCT only as a means to add the actual paper name I wanted to use to the printer drop down list . I still set up the print driver on the computer so Photoshop Manages Colours ( not the printer ) , rightly or wrongly I thought this might remove the "Media Type is not set Correctly Support Code 4111 " message . When you did your first video guides to the new Pro-1100 you mentioned that the Paper Type drop down menu on the printer could be customised , I wondered if you might have the time to be able to explain this further . Thanks .
@@sawdoctor2737 Yes - the MCT is something I'd perhaps use if I only used a few paper types.
Normally though I just know [it's written on the box, and in my profile name] which media setting to use - I originally tried creating custom papers yers ago with my iPF8300 - unless they were really quite different from the media type used [thickness for example] it was just too much effort.
This is something I discuss in my written reviews and maybe in passing in the videos - my written stuff is where the detail always goes, because I can refine/edit/correct/update it - none of which I can do with these videos [which are always meant as supplements to the final written review]
I do not own a printer, And of course it is tempting to do prints myself, most of all large format prints. However a large format print at Whitewall costs me about 20 Euro each, more or less. So I had to do at least 55 prints until only the printer buying costs would be compensated, paper and ink costs not even included. And I usually need 4 to 6 large format prints per year. It is a very simple calculation - a "milkmaid calculation", as we say in Germany: It just isn't worth it for me. Bit of a shame, though.
That's an important consideration - buying a printer is not for everyone
Keith have you upgraded to Mac Sequoia OS - I seem to have lost communication with my Pro-1000 since the update - fortunately I have a Mac Book Pro with Big Sur which I can use for printing. - seems that Canon's update is not due until end of October - any news appreciated.
No MacOS 15 here... I've asked about this with Canon but don't have any info
I've a longstanding policy of never upgrading Macs I use for work until I need to.
I only have 14 on my MBP and Studio since they are new - caused all sorts of issues in reliably printing profiling targets...
The [souped up] Mac Pro I use for a lot of general stuff still is on 10.15 ;-)
@@KeithCooper Good Policy.
@@KeithCooper Just to update you - after nearly a day of head scratching and reconfiguring it appears that Sequoia does not like the wired lan - switched it to a USB connection (together with a firmware upgrade on the printer) and we are now back in action - thanks so much for your advice I will be cautious next time Apple releases and upgrade.
@@kendickson7321 Thanks. Canon tell me that a new driver should be along later this month... we will see ;-)
Greetings,
Could you please recommend me paper for printing playing cards (Trading Card Games) and a printer to print them. I'm currently thinking of buying Canon Pixma G540, but I'm not sure if this is the right printer for me and if heavy card stock of 300 gsm or more. Please sir help me
Nope - nothing on that printer will give results of any permanence or wear resistance on a printer like that, unless you laminate it.
Nor will any of the other printers I've looked at work well in that role. There are reasons such work is created on commercial presses with the inks they use.
Should Epson printer be kept on like this Canon?
Less so - the pro-1000 and 1100 are known for this
Would you trade a 1000 for the new 1100 and pay double the price (over 1000 pounds more)?
Not if I had a good working 1000
I bought a Pro-1000 and I followed all procedures trying to create my own paper profile for Ilford paper, failed. Then I tried downloading Ilford paper profile from their website and add to printer via media manager, failed. I am getting error 4111 message - an unsuited media type is set. Cannot proceed to print and drivers stopped responding. Printer can only get back to normal after reinstallation of both normal and xps driver. This is fraustrating…
I would only normally use just media icc profiles and the associated media setting - I would not make custom media or use the MCT unless I had a good reason for it. That's on Macs though, but I can't see it wouldn't be the same if on PC.
@@KeithCooperthis is what I am doing now. Choosing Canon Pro Luster while printing on Ilford Smooth Pearl, and apply the Ilford icc profile. The result is very good, but I don’t like the idea that I am not able to use certain functions that is supposed to be working.
BH has the pro 1000 for $999.00
A good deal - I would be careful buying an 1100 at the moment - I have a few potential concerns with better quality papers [baryta and thicker photo types]