The 7 Princes of Hell Vs. The Ars Goetia: Who Would Win? Helluva Boss / Hazbin Hotel Theory!
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024
- who do you would think? Lucifer would have maybe his princes... or would he? could the other princes betray Lucifer and work for Paimon / the Ars Goetia?
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Who should fight next?
We are already doing Stolas Vs. Alastor, I don't know why its so requested, but we already finished it don't worry.
Can you do Alastor vs Valentino?
Striker vrs Blitz
I think that doing the Cherubs vs. the Imps would be really cool. I understand that they've already had a fight, but we never actually saw who won and who lost, because their battle was ended when the old rich guy (I forgot his name) was crushed by the piano. (I did copy this comment from my past comment on Vox vs Alastor, but I commented that kinda late, so people probably never saw it. I also removed something where I said Asmodeus vs Stolas, but I don't think that would be interesting anymore since Asmodeus is in the ars goetia AND one of the seven princes, so he would probably win.)
Cherubs vs Imps. It would be cool
I like the ars goetia
I don't think Lucifer would care about The Ripping off he probably loves the fact that there is a RIP off of his place making Hell more of a Circus lol.
He went to court over it.
@@thepandageneral Anything for Entertainment some might say that was a MOCKERY of Justice.
YOU CALLED?
@@thepandageneral Did he? We only knew that matter was resolved by court but there was nothing said that it was Lucifer that brought accusation.
@@thepandageneral that judge has balls of steel since Lucifer is the king of hell
I think Lucifer could nuke all of hell without the extermination. It’s just a question if he wants to do it himself.
This is why that one demon is able to rip Lucifer off. He doesn’t care to do it. It’s like watching an ant run across your path. Do you really want to exert the effort to crush it when it’s no threat ?
I like to imagine that he abides by the rules of Hell for more whimsical reasons. I personally think he orchestrated the fire that burned down Mammon's establishment though. The writers may go with the premise that Lucifer is the second most powerful being in existence.
@Soul Smith that's what I'm leaning toward myself. It would really put it in perspective. Lucifer is a high ranking angel. There's not a being in hell that would be a threat to his existence even if they ganged up on him
@@wingzero1372 If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Lucifer literally God's second in command? I think it was Lucifer, then when he rebelled Gabriel became second.
Lucifer could easily just call up Adam and have hell obliterated
@@epion660 *Michael not Gabriel
Seeing what Adam can do without breaking a sweat to the hotel and the air ship and he isn’t even close to Lucifer I think whoever Lucifer wants to win will
Seven princes. Lucifer and other 6 are rulers, smart businessdemons and are hella powerful. Ars Goetia have their roles and are aristocracy but the fact they have their roles. And let's be honest, Ars Goetia was qualified ad Lesser demons. And Seven princes were put above ars Goetia by Vivzie as well
Lucifer can only be killed by a higher ranking angel, stated by Vivziepop herself.
So no demon can kill him, but he can kill them.
It was also stated that Lucifer was able to take over hell due to his angelic power being superior to that of any demon.
Well hell is a prison, we just forget who it was built for in the first place.
The only beings who can kill lucifer are Michael and god, as Michael is the only angel that matches Lucifer in power, and god is capable of killing anything. That is if the hazbin hotel follows the traditional biblical hierarchy without adding other archangels.
See episode 6.
Lucifer is a seraph as is Sera, who is in charge.
As far as we know there is no god.@@ryanmartin5430
@@ryanmartin5430 but I'm pretty sure there isn't a Michael in the lore.
@@hamide2256 Michael is Adam in some versions but probably not this one
Lucifer alone is most likely so powerful that its hard to imagine any demons standing a chance against the seven princes. But if the seven princes are not all aligned then as you said, the sheer overwhelming weight of the Ars Goetia and the demons under their control, plus any sinners who join their cause could be enough to force Lucifer out of his position.
I’ll have to disagree, this is Lucifer we’re talking about. He’s been running he’ll for who knows how long and no one has stepped up to rebel against him. In my opinion Lucifer can kill whoever tries crossing him regardless of how many ars goetia there are. Lucifer is an angel so these lower class demons ain’t phasing Lucifer
Politically yes, but who knows on the battlefield. These ARE super ancient beings, after all, basically gods in their own right. In order to usurp something like that completely, you would have to kill or wound them so severely that they can't even move let alone rule from a throne.
I don't think it's physically possible keep in mind you still have Charlie who the successor 2 Lucifer and Alistair I think would be loyal to Lucifer it's quite evident that he's on Lucifer side if that's the case considering everybody is afraid of Alistair he may uses influence to make many Sinners join his side or if he's intelligent he may actually take power when both side are weak enough Charlie would probably try to stay out of it but given the title and being the successor to get people in hell don't like her anyway she would be an automatic Target so Lucifer also had his daughter to protect we know he still cares about her
@@theadventurer2628 I don’t think they can take him out politically either. Yeah mammon did rip off Lucifer’s theme park and signed a statement saying that wasn’t his intentions but I think his influence as the prince of greed played a part as maybe he could’ve just bribed his way to beating Lucifer in this case. I don’t think any sinner or ars goetia can go against Lucifer politically but then again this is hell so maybe Lucifer just let things slide if it’s not affecting him personally. I don’t really have evidence but it’s just something I thought of just now lol
@@YaBoyDav_ I guess that would depend on his mood. He is the Prince of Pride, if it was something that actually got under his skin, he would probably stop at nothing to get some form of revenge for bruising his ego.
Considering how OP Lucifer is, he's basically watching the other demons run around like ants within boundries *he set*
Even the idea of him being beholden and relying on the opinions of the other Deadly Sins is probably just a rule he made up to make things more interesting for himself
Hell gets boring after a while.
turns out he's just too nice
Eh more like he doesn't care@@Mr.Rendo1
I think Lucifer would smack down the Ars Goetia.
All he really have to do is get the people of sin on his side and that is easy to do he has more control over them and easy promise them higher positions in hell if they join him and get him and given how much people love power if he promised them more power they would do it the question is where does Charlie fall in all this she's against violence and against extermination day but we're Seaside with Lucifer or against him is a question
@@thermslusitania1151well know we met lucifer, it seems he has little control over sinners and is also the same way as charlie💀
@@mudeater2510What do you meant by "little control"? Have you even seen episode 5?
Lucifer is a seraphim in the show very high ranked angel, shouldn't he be able to bypass the need for angelic weapons and just smite the sinners? (or Ars Goetia?)
@@Why_So_Mean ofcourse considering the "elders" are being teased to be the "seven heavenly virtues" and that Lucifer is one of them.
I assume the regular seraphim has white wings while the elder seraphims or a.k.a the "seven heavenly virtues" has red wings like Lucifer which are thetheology accurate "red fiery wings" for seraphims
The whole point with why Lucifer wouldn't just drop a angelic nuke if he could kinda makes me think that it could be because Nukes don't really "differenciate".. open fights kind of do... Drop a nuke on a large amount of demons, they all die pretty much regardless of who is hit... let angels come into hell one day a year to kill who they can fight and beat.. Weeds out the weaker demons with the stronger being able to avoid them more effectively or outright best them in a fight. I doubt the exterminators are just completely invincible during the extermination, surely some demons actually managed to take some of them out over the course of the practise.
they do it's how angelic weapons end up in hell in the first place it's the weapons that are losted by the exterminators
Nice
After what we just saw Lucifer do when he wasn't even trying but toying with another powerful character that I wont spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen Hazbin, we now can say 99.99% of hell's population are toys to Lucifer at most. Arch Angels / Seraphim are in their own class of power level. Charlie after more training and Lucifer now could basically if they really tried wipe out 99% of hell or heaven's people.
I wonder how close they decide to stick to the og christian mythos, cause if they do, heaven bodies ngl
Going off of what the fanbase has done to Lucifer cause I think it lines up with what we're given and reason what canon Lucifer is like, he doesn't get involved unless something or someone forces his hand to do so, and when that does happen it's straight up PTSD fuel. So most likely Lucifer will be able to handle such a large scale rebellion mostly by himself, though if it doesn't go his way immediately I have no doubt he won't hesitate to summon the exterminators to assist him if needed.
But in terms of this scenario (which is a civil war) I do think the Princes will win cause I doubt ANY of them will allow a Goetia to get that powerful to begin with.
There is no way in hell Lucifer would lose to the likes of Stolas and the other members of the Ars Goetia. He is the King of Hell and almost certainly has things in place to ensure he stays there. He allows other demons to push him around a bit to make himself seem weaker than he is. But if it came to all out war, i think those who opposed him would go on to regret it.
Also, in my eyes at least, it is physically impossible to topple Lucifer from the Throne because he is the Single most powerful demon in Hell. His powers don't come from sitting on the Throne or wearing the crown. It comes from his existance as a fallen Angel.
Stolas has plot armor.
Lucifer hasn't been shown yet.
Point made.
This turned from the ars goetia VS the 7 deadly sins to goetia VS lucifer
Lucifer would just wave his hand and all of them will Burn to Ash.
Seen how Lucy just played with Adam and Adam own Alastor safe to say not even all together the 72 goetia can take on lucifer!
Lucifer vs Overlords would be a cool video.
Considering overlords rank below the Ars Goetia and are just powerful sinners, it's basically a matter of how long they'd survive against Lucifer.
@@Featheryfaith7 wut.
@@Featheryfaith7 You're like the physical incarnation of a fanfic, because literally none of what you're talking about has ever been mentioned in any Helluva Boss media. You sound kinda loco.
@@Featheryfaith7 Lucifer also verbally said that he was a Gemini and a Scorpio in the Pilot of Hazbin Hotel, literally cannot comprehend how you missed that groundbreaking information.
@@Featheryfaith7 The occult is based on the zodiac and Stolas is actually a Capricorn btw.
Lucifer might have eyes and ears everywhere in Hell so he'll be ready for it.
I would think you would also have men take trolley out of the hotel and keep her away in his Palace at the you know the head of time is quite clear that Charlie would be a primary target she's not necessarily in a good position location wise it would be an easy target though I'm pretty sure Charlie having the same power that Lucifer could defend herself and I have a feeling that alista is under the control of Lucifer can say is not convenient he's at the hotel so there's a logical that Lucifer sent him only to destroy the hotel but but also keep an eye on Charlie Alistair may help Lucifer in the Endeavor considering it could be an opportunity to get more power
7:18 lucifur is too prideful to simply give up
And I doubt God if he exists in his Universe would allow Lucifer the Overflow and allow somebody else take over as that we even more dangerous for him so God would probably help him out by sending every exterminator in heaven or to make it even more terrible every Angel themselves had if Michael exists even Michael himself that's simply Wipe Out the entire population of hell with the exception of Lucifer and Charlie and then start over from scratch
I'd like to know if Angels only kill sinners or if hellborns are also targeted if they are in the pride ring. And do demons just need to stay inside during extermination if so why are so many in the streets during it if it means they'll be killed?
The exterminators might be able to get into buildings anyway
@@fallenangel_899 If they can how come no one had boards on their windows or anything? I mean the three vees were just hanging out in a living area not worried about anyone coming in
This is a late reply but I think it was said that demons like imps and succubus have a life span. Reason why there are exterminations in the pride ring is because humans sent there are immortal and can live indefinitely if not killed, so that is why angels need to kill humans sent to hell to stop them from flooding. Which is why I think only humans sent there are the targets for angels during purging day.
If sinners have enough foresight to hide during the extermination, they wouldn't be in Hell in the first place.
@@HauntedAnkh no I think they kill people born in hell anyway aerosol and helluva Boss episode for the Angels hate demons sinner or born in hell so I'm pretty sure is a saw an imp or hellhound they would still kill them not because they have to Priscilla because with a enjoyment you can tell me exterminators don't find pleasure in killing an a hellhound onm would be to them extra points so yes they simply kill anyone they see and no they wouldn't go in buildings they only have so little time to kill and it would have waited buildings plus they be alone and I give them a hand so the most likely scenario is a probably only go in the buildings and the Henderson positive someone is in there the most of the time they probably don't take the time
Can you look into how Succession would work for the Overlords in Hazbin Hotel? Like say if Valentino or Vox were taken out during the Annual Extermination who would they pass their titles and industries over to? Or would it be a free for all for their position and industry?
it would leave an opening for sure. If Valentino specifically died, Vox could hire someone beneath him to start running the industry for him though.
How about Lucifer or the other princes vs The 3 gods Odin, Ra, and Rava from Samurai jack.
My headcanon is if a demon somehow takes out an Overlord like Vox for example, than that demon simply rises to the position of Overlord, at the least is recognized as having Overlord level power. I even like to imagine Lucifer himself announcing new Overlords to Hell.
Unless what we know are fully retcobed, succession means nothing if the successor can’t hold office like their predecessor. Some one can easily come and take out the person or out do them and be the new overlord. That makes succession next to useless term in hell.
Overlords are essentially crime bosses, so the ability to take territory depends entirely on how powerful they are. Their individual power and the power of their followers.
Killing other overlords does not automatically give you their territory, you also need to be able to defend it. That is what Sir Pentious was trying to do in the pilot. He was trying to grab territory that was vacant after the extermination and also territory controlled by low ranking overlords like Cherry Bomb.
It is also why Alastor is only considered an overlord on a technicality, since he does not bother claiming overlords' territories after killing them.
I think of the Ars Goetia and the seven princes as having the dynamics you would see between the royal class to the nobility class. There is some overlap, with some individuals being part of both, On the paper the royalty is higher than the nobility, so in one on one conflicts, the royal will win + the royal family was often the one that gave out the noble titles in the first place. But if looking on the two classes as a whole, the nobility is the more powerful one, because it's the one that is closer to the common people, (the ones that truly hold power, because of their sheer size and the fact that they are the ones that grow the food that feeds everyone), if things come to a rebellion, the peasants will usually choose to side with their local lord over some king in a far away capital they might not even see in thier entire lifetime. In regards to the show, I imagine that every prince that isn't a fallen angel is a high ranked Ars Goetia like Ozzi, by technicality, like how royals useally also have a honerery nobility title.
There is only one guy who can kill the entire kingdom of hell, he has killed trillions of demons, had a bunny who died, a killing machine
Unless if it's DC Lucifer. Man stomps Doomslayer in more ways than one
@@Zak-tk8wv DC Lucifer is strong
But Doomslayer is closer to Darkseid in scale after TAG2
@@V2ULTRAKill dc lucifer is outerversal I think
Lucifer has been constantly stated to be the most powerful being in Hell. He could nuke every single one of them IF he wanted. He has the angelic powers to do so, and he just doesn't wants to get his hands dirty
I find it kinda hilarious that asnodeus is modeled after the bird literally referred to as a “cock”
I would image that over all yes everyone banding together could maybe win. But I image in the end Lucifer probably would be able to wipe out the bulk of everything in a nuke style. So the question really is would the ars goetia, overlords, princes and natives how many would live. Probley such a small number and if hell is basically destroyed beyond repair what the point. I image it like only one Ars Goetia lives in a total barren wasteland and with no hopes of every being able to rebuild it is basically MOD.
The assumption is made under the pretense that the battle would be a single all out battle. Knowing Lucifer, he would probably deal with this in the most cunning way, choosing to take down the more significant characters on the picture such as the highest ranking Goatian demons one at a time and then going down the rank until everything crumbles.
Title: 7 *Princes* of hell
Beelzebub: " *Am I a joke to you?* "
I’d put my money on the 7 Deadly Sins winning, but I do find it cool that Asmodeus is both a king in the Ars Goetia and a Deadly Sin. 😊❤️
Also, I agree that Asmodeus would most likely stick with the Ars Goetia because really only Lucifer is powerful enough to tell him what to do and he doesn’t seem big on being told how to run things in his domain.🤔
@@Featheryfaith7 It’s Fizzarolli.🙂 Hope that helps and I also hope Asmodeus never dumps Fizz or I will be emotionally devastated.😭
@@Featheryfaith7 Wait, Only Octavia is shown to have issues with imps and in her case the issue was very clearly more that Stolas embarassed her and slept with someone outside his social class. She only seems interested in imps as being servants less than hatred. No other member of the Goetia seems to have any animosity towards them. Stolas and Ozzy even outnumber Octavia in that regard, Olivia only seems to regard adults with apathy not imps directly, and Paimon didnt show any regard in any direction though its noted he does seem to treat his butler imp rather neutrally.
@@Featheryfaith7 You’re welcome.😊
@@Featheryfaith7 Probably. Im working on very little sleep. Thank you for the correction.
It seems the Ars Goetia is more important, as they are the ones who influence the human world more. But I'm biased. Since Paimon is one of my favorite characters...
I wonder how big alastor’s potential is he became an overlord over night upon entering and got stronger ever since and keeps getting stronger by making deals. Also being the strongest overlord when he showed up as he toppled overlords with centuries worth of power to expand and make deals to get stronger. So i wonder if full potential alastor could hypothetically rebel and rival the sins and top the goetia?
Hi deepcut I have been watching your videos about hazbin hotel and hellva boss for quite some time so I'm a huge fan of you
I think lucifer is too prideful to care about manmmon ripping him off and also to deal with the sinners himself to deal with them even if he could do so very easily
The fact that they cannot kill him and he can kill them easy does not speak well for there chance. Aslo they win now what? Full-scale extermination? The fact that low level angels are doing extermination speaks to the gap between angels and demons.
low level angels that never got a loss. so yea quite a difference in power
First option: the 7 princess. They have authority over their rings and possibly the full support of Lucifer, which would make them rather formidable.
Lucifer as an angel, even if a fallen one and as king of hell, he could probably acquire angelic weapons to fight with, he could still get overwhelmed by sheer numbers.
Considering it was declared only beings above lucifer can harm him lol, gg already but this is fun
Thanks for the video!
“Would you win?”
“Nah id lose”
Love watching your videos!
I'm regularly using these lore/versus videos of yours to help me with some aspects of my Helluva Boss fanfiction. Just answering a potential question up front: this fanfic is not the typical Helluva/Hazbin fanfic, where every female character wants to be with the added character. No, no. This one is supposed to be a Sci-Fi Action Thriller, with an appropriate dose of Spy Novel type content, and, because it is based on Helluva Boss, a little bit of horniness sprinkled in for good measure. I'll add a link if requested.
Ew
An interesting idea I could exploit in my fan fiction. As in it, Lucifer is also a member of the counsel of 9 In Purgatory. Which is solely comprised of nothing but fallen Angels and the many souls who are not quite good enough for heaven but are not bad enough for hell. Purgatory is divided into 3 parts. The Upper Echelon which borders heaven. The Babyl Spire and the Angelic ring. Then the Lower Echelon which borders hell.
Yakun the Angel of Deception (and Lucifers best friend who was the first to fall with him)
Yakun's sister Kesabel the Angel of Desire and her husband Gadree the Angel of Weapons. These three rules over the Lower Echelon.
Rozarial (the dark half of Azreal) the Angel of Unmaterial Death. Also known as the Center as she is the most comfortable in Purgatory and secretly runs everything from the Babyl Spire which connects the Lowers Echelon to the Upper Echelon. Shes is assisted by Penemue and Tamiel.
The Upper Echelon Angels are Araquel the Angel of Natural Disaster, who was the one who flooded the earth, creating tornados, hurricanes, and earthquakes.
Abbadon The Angel of Destruction and the first exorcist, who caused all but the last plaque of Egypt (With Rosarial causing the last). Abbadon is assisted by twin Angels Zatreal the Angel of hells winds, and Zaphon the Angel of Hells Fire. Then finally Abbaon's wife, Azazel the Angel of Corruption and Conflict, who also happens to be Lucifers estranged Sister. Azazel is also the Official Figure head of Purgatory's leadership, as she is considered the Most powerful of the Fallen Angels next to Lucifer. She is also Symbolized by the Lion and the Sun.
Around the Upper and Lower Echelons is the Outer Echelon ran solely by Legon the Angel of Chaos as he/she/they are everyone and no one. They alone encompass purgatory's outer wall and its Enforcers. One angel as many and many angels as one.
Lastly is Lucifer who Rules over Hell. He is still recognized as a member of the ruling Counsil of Purgatory. As Hell is the Lost Echelon, and Lucifer was the first to fall.
Way I see it. There is no better way to keep hell in Check then with Angels who despite betraying god, still are bound to work for him.
Part of my fan fictions plot is the Wedge between Lucifer and his Sister Azazel who is the top dog in Purgatory's ranks. Making Charley Effetely her Neice. Shes not entirely agents Charley's goal of redeeming Sinners, just feels like Humanity is a lost cause all together. Meanwhile Abbadon now has to pick up were Adam failed, believing his idea of an army of Sinners waging war agents Heaven is a much better solution then routine extermination. Helped along by the Lower Echelon Angels now able to once again Enter Hell and cause all sorts of trouble.
Granted this is all just fan fiction, it would explain why Lucifer is uncontested, as well as why the Exterminations are allowed. As many within the ranks of Purgatory also feel that hells population is a problem and must be quelled. If Lucifer is ever challenged, many in the Counsil of 9 would be more than willing to step in and help. Azazel in particular who believes that all human souls are worthless, and giving humans free will was the greatest mistake ever made. Thus, her estrangement with her brother Lucifer. Who she blames for her fall, as she was cast down via guilt by assortation. So, in short, she is more than happy to help Heavens Exorcist, believing this will get her back into Heavens good graces. Azazel oversees the Production of Angelic weapons which are constructed in Purgatory by the souls sent there, then inspected and distributed to the exorcist by Gadree. That all said, Lucifer is still her brother, and she will get past her aggression agents him if ever he was threatened.
Then there is Abbadon who admires the will of human souls, even Sinners. Believing that if Heaven can be challenged it should, as Heaven has become too complacent.
I even have a scene where he explains to Vaggy that the Exterminations were... "an unfortunate compromise that made only one side happy."
Also, despite Azazel and Lucifers differences. Abbadon thinks Lucifer had the right idea and is just itching to have a reason to cause all sorts of righteous destruction in hell for Lucifers sake.
Don't ffkk with my Brother in Law!
Asmodeus if this canonically happened: *internal conflict noises*
I haven't watched it yet but I think the 7 prince's would win because it was confirmed that they are more powerful. But I do agree with you
There are still at least 72 of the Goetia (outside of original ones such as Octavia and Stella), but even then the numbers wouldn't help as much and some of the 7 Princes are also members of the Goetia themselves.
Hm, how very interesting, i wonder if this would be a actual conflict at some point?
Anyway, I will look forward to see future uploads from you, i wonder what you will talk about next.
I highly doubt it and even if it did I know the imps would be on the side people like stolas however the the human now demon sinners would definitely back Lucifer Aldo under his control and those are the people that Lucifer enjoys control in and he has them under his control plus he gets embley bomb as Overlord more power next to him if they side with him and giving her people love territory I could see them back and Lucifer the exterminators on Lucifer side it would be a very deadly fight but one that Lucifer could win and if he does he probably just disband the position as a whole and just give it to the overlords even allow Overlord to travel to different rings and might eradicate the seven princess and probably does take all of the Rings for himself maybe have a new extermination day to eradicate and hellhounds just out of spite
I think that is a good question. The characters reached each other in a debating
If I Recall correctly, in the RL mythology, the Seven Deadly Princes are the ones that most irredeemably rebelled against God in the times of the War in Heaven and the Spirits listed in the Ars Goetia of the Lesser Key of Solomon (Usually referred to as "Goetia" for short, though that word has broader meanings) are the ones who received Grace within Hell for turning away from their rebellion when King Solomon called upon them by God's authority to build the Temple of Jerusalem.
All the Princes of Hell are Fallen Angels
Lucifer, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, and Leviathan are of the Seraphim rank which is the highest ranking Angel and Lucifer was once the highest ranking Seraphim as well. Lucifer is still technically the highest ranking Angel in creation so no one will be able to smite him.
Satan was a Cherubim and the most powerful of that rank
Mammon and Belphegor were Thrones
That has not been confirmed in the show, as only Lucifer has been stated to be a fallen angel. The other princes, so far, have been assumed, if not confirmed, to be demons.
Deebcut who Do you think will replace the voice actors from the hazbin pilot and whats your headcanon on how the Charakters who did Not had a speaking roll in the pilot Sound like. And does anybody else think that it is better to be an overlord than a royal. I know royal are stronger and have more control but they have dutiys and overlords can just like alastor decide to Not try to get more and More and more Power and just enjoy having the Power that allows them to Do what ever they want to hells citisints without any Problem ecept of course the other overlords and the royals but hey they dont have Those dutiys and can relax.
Based on his pictures alone, mainly the most current photo, I think Lucifer enjoys the ripping off and all the workings of Hell. He seems like the kind of guy who loves when the kings and princes fight amongst themselves. And while all the princes and kings could overwhelm him or even overpower him for a moment, I think they all are so chaotic and power hungry they couldn't ever band together in any significant numbers to do so. They would see weakness in someone and think "easy kill", weakening the numbers they're trying to build. And then those who are loyal to Lucifer would also be cutting through the defectors and turning them to Lucifer's side with real or empty promises. Look at Alastor for example. He makes it clear he's only helping the Hotel because he wants to see it fail. If a rebellion of Hell started, Alastor would join just to watch the rebellion fall and burn. And if they did gain any ground, he'd stay to watch what happened next.
Without watching the video, I think the 7 princes would win because they represent each of the seven deadly sins.
My first reaction seeing the question is : the 7 deadly sins of course, they're fallen angel so they probably have the power to kill arch demons, whereas the Ars Goetia may not even have the ability to contain or incapacitate them and I doubt the angelic weapons can kill the 7 deadly sins
hey its the dude Nux watches, I love this guy!
Well, whatever is actually the case, NEVER suggest such a fight in Hell, not even in private rooms (the walls literally have eyes).
The minute you do, someone's getting whacked.
In my headcanon, Baal is the strongest of the Goetia Kings and has a power equal or greater than some of the members of prince of sins.
Baal/bael is sometimes put as Beelzebub, maybe it's a sin too
i think lucifer have the power to smite most of them maybe even with perma one shot, but i feel he's not willing to do it. maybe if they try seriously to hurt him... or even charlie. he is a seraphim himself, there are not many angles capable to go toe to toe with him. I'm starting to think that he got cast down and not killed because only seraphim are able to damage another one like them and there are no stronger angels to go to to get rid of seraphs
I think Lucifer could release the angels who execute sinners early to control the tide of sinners that are trying to rise up.
That would bring down the population of those controlled by the Princes and Ars Goetia.
Of course it'd probably only work for so long but it'd give him the chance to come up with a plan
That was definitely happen but whose side will Charlie take in this situation it's quite evident against extermination however
Now I have a say on Lucifer a gold Medal of Evil, a Gold Medal for having the best place, and a wrath Medal.
There are 72 Goetial Demons, you mention there are 74.
72 Goetia Demons from Lemegeton+Stella and Octavia(original characters)
@@Mirartium736 Stella and Octavia aren't really Ars Goetia though. They are members of the Ars Goetia family, but they don't have official roles within the 72 Ars Goetia.
Here’s a question,if a human is killed by an angelic weapon and manifests in hell would they manifest with an angelic weapon? Like,say the cherubs on Earth shot a human dead with an angelic arrow and said human was a sinner,would said human manifest with an angelic arrow or angelic weapon immunity or some other form of angelic power merged into their very being?
In a tournament-like match the 7 sins would win, but in an all-out war I wouldn't be so sure.
The Goetia is not that far below the sins Level of power and there's 72 of them 😂
Lucifer; if all of them ganged up on me, they might give me some trouble
Charlie: But would you lose?
Lucifer: Nah, I’d win
The only thing I think you might be selling short is the imps' opinion of Satan. Remember, the Wrath wring and the imps native to it serve TWO purposes.
#1: Harvest.
#2: War.
And it's pretty well established that the imps consider the latter to be of higher priority, or at least the more noble of the two pursuits. Which would explain why Satan is NOT present at the harvest festival: Because that's not his department.
If Satan does appear in Helluva boss, my expectation is that it will be during one of two events:
#1: A veterans' and/or military appreciation day event.
#2: A flashback by of a great war hero's funeral.
im not gonna lie probally lucifer could just snap his fingers and all of the other side will just dissipear, he is one of the highest rank of angels when he was and he is now even stronger with also his devil powers combinned
Vivzi made a tier list, she is the maker of worlds, any disagreement with her tier list would be inherently wrong.
Yes, we understand how power rankings work, do you understand how thought experiments work?
Kind of unrelated but I have no Idea how to find anyone else to talk about this with.
I don't think moxxie is really an Imp (or not in the same way as other imps).
I rewatched the tripping balls episode with the FBI people and during the song I got massive vibes(lyrics syncing between the two) that he and Blitzo have a secret about him.
It's 4:20 in hell.
If there is a rebellion in the works lucifer may have some leftover angelic weapons from is time as an angel.🤔
Just my theory.
i dont imagine they were killing sinners before he fell and took over hell.
@@CartoonUniverse maybe he has some leftovers after previous purges?
My money is on the princes, but that's impossible to say for certain without a better understanding of both sides.
Lucifer can does execute extermination day early but make it so if targets the Goresas yes I know I spelled that wrong and the imps and hellhounds rather than the Sinners themselves and give them permission to travel across the seven rings would do this before the Rebellion could even begin if he had inside on it happening and simply cut off their numbers it does make it look like it was important business who would question it
And it's possible if it's excessively may put the overlords that the he controls in the positions of the new seven princesses
Right now, Vivienne Medrano is busy at the Hazbin Hotel.
7:52 lol so they could torture him instead of the other way around
Overlords vs Goetia
the only angel higher than the seraphim is god, so therefore only god can smite lucifer
1:18 aye I have that kind of book
Lucifer is second just to God, he could quite literally destroy all of hell in one shot
Are you one of the Princes or are you in the Goetia family?
Asmodeus: Yes.
I haven’t watched the full vid yet but my prediction is for the Princes to win
look like Moxie, but like a handsome and not angry
fun fact, there are jewish texts that describe how to build a golem, different types, incantations, and the materials you need.
i dont know man, but i kinda remember in first grade they taught me that 7
Making the lucifer vs Overlords and Lucifer vs Goetia rq for you guys!
Lucifer neg-no diff (depending on who he is exactly fighting)
For those that like Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss you should check out the movies the Devils carnival and The devils carnival 2 Alleluia made by Terrance Zdunich (also check out REPO the Genetic Opera)
This whole time I thought it was the owls goetia.
I highly doubt that Asmodeus or any of the sins would actually turn on each other in the event of an up rising with the Ars Goetia, they all seem to have a sibling like relationship each when they’re fighting like Mammon and Ozzy. Also Belphegor didn’t actually rebel from heaven, in the story he didn’t take a side in the fight so the angels saw that as desertion and cast him out, but in the show I think Belphegor is said to be a hard worker so idk why she(Belphegor is a woman in the show) wouldn’t fight. Also The succubi don’t actually have stds Blitzo was just saying that to piss them off, Ozzy doesn’t want to cause problems for earth like Stolas.
For Hazbin Hotel I can only find the pilot. Are there any other episodes?
Not Bad, man.
Lucifer would solo the goetia, but without Lucifer the goetia win
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At the end of the day it's more about political influence then straight up power. after all a bear is way stronger than a human, it can even survive a bullet to the head. But there is a reason we don't get mauled by bears 24/7 while bears are constantly effected by humans that live thousands of kilometers away from them. The same can be said about hell- Lucifer, Alistair and Satan are probably the strongest characters in terms of raw power but they are still effected by characters that are considered beneath them and they are depended on other political powerhouses like stolas and his family that help Satan and his imps feed hell or how Lucifer gets ripped off by greed guy (forgot his name) and I believe even moxies dad has some sort of political influence over stronger entities (weather he realizes or not) cause at the end of the day hell is smaller than ya think and connections are everywhere
Your videos are the best
Future comment, you need to do this video over again, now that we know more about Lucifer
So I wonder. Were the Goetia family already in hell when Lucifer arrived? Did sinners already go to hell before that, or did that only happen after he fell? Was Hell created for him, or did he take it over?
funnily enough both Asmodeus (Ozzie) and Beelzebub (Queen Bee) are also Ars Goetia
quick comment, at 3 minutes in you state that Asmodeus is both a Goetic and a sin, but this is likely due to mixing up lists, as Asmodeus is only considered a sin in the list you mentioned before and a few others as where he is more often replaced with Astaroth and simply being a Goetic lord who served Astaroth
I think the purge is more of a yearly game to Lucifer as we saw with Alistair he is helping the hotel because he is bored and is sounds like a good sauce for entertainment. If the Ars Goetia I think Ozzie would stay a sin as from what little we've seen of the Ars Goetia they are so far up themselves that his relationship with fizz would anger them and we've seen that he will go to any length for fizz. The same for Stolas as he really does not care for them. So I think the Ars Goetia won't be as powerful as they are if the Rebel and Lucifer would wipe out the Rebels when they attack him as he would let them do what they want as it would be entertaining to him for them to try.
I still reckon the Goesha are biding their time Stollas purpose too find the prophecy of how the 7 sins can be destroyed and right time to strike Lucifer down
Yo, wouldn’t stolas be able to turn Lucifer to stone like he did to the imp in episode 2 in season one of helluva boss? Or does that not work on demons who are superior to him?
Pretty sure it wouldn't affect lucifer and lucifer would just nuke stolas
Please make Paimon vs Asmodeus it would be exciting king vs king comparison
Asmodeus is the embodiment of Lust, he’s way too powerful for Paimon to defeat.
Question i know there is seven but I always was taught vanity was a deadly sin also
I'm betting on lucifer, idk 'bout y'all tho. LMAOOOO