Pray for the departed
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Elder Aimilianos of Simonopetra & Elder Thaddeus of Serbia
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My father reposed a few months ago. He was a good man who loved God, though he was not orthodox. It is my great pleasure to pray for him every day for the rest of my life because he loved me as his own, even though he was not my biological father who care for me and raised me. Now it is my turn to care for him now and forever and unto the ages of ages.
Thank you for helping me to grow closer to our Lord, truly I thank you, and I thank The Lord for showing everything you've posted to me.
What a coincidence my grandmother passed away today and I see this on top of my feed.
Pray for her everyday☦️ Memory Eternal ☦️when you go to church have her name read during the service give a donation on her behalf ☦️
I offer you my prayers and brotherly love and I pray in Jesus name God comfort you and heal all distress of heart. Let us rejoice in the Lord, who not only suffered and died but rose to glory and raised us who have been crucified along side Christ up with him praise be to God amen
@@Dan-io6vlGlory to God.
Not coincidence, Holy Spirit (God) talks to you
@@SaliseProductions Yes I know that, please bare in mind that the devil can speak in this manner also, stay vigilant.
Amen!
Αμήν!
Jesus save them,God rest them in peace.Amen🙏🙏🙏
Does this teaching apply exclusively to those who died in communion with the Church? What of those outside of the Church through ignorance or mere circumstance who strived to follow Christ as best as possible?
No, not according to what I read in a book called _Christ the Conqueror of Hell_ by Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev. I will quote some of it in the hope that you pick it up to search for yourself:
From pages 215-216: “This approach renders the descent into Hades exceptional in its soteriological implications. According to the Damascene, those who were not taught the truth during their lifetime can come to believe when in hell. By their good works and ascetic life they prepared themselves for encountering Christ. These are the same people about whom St Paul says that, having no law, they “do by nature things contained in the law,” for “the work of the law is written in their hearts.” Those who live by the law of natural morality but do not share the true faith can hope, by virtue of their righteousness, that in a face-to-face encounter with God, they will recognize in him the One they “ignorantly worshipped.”
Does this have anything to do with those who died outside the Christian faith after the descent of Christ into hell? It does not if we accept the western teaching that the descent into Hades was a “one-time” event and that the recollection of Christ did not survive in hell. But it does if we proceed from the assumption that after Christ hell was no longer like the Old Testament _sheol,_ but a place of divine presence. In addition, as Archpriest Serge Bulgakov writes: all events in the life of Christ, which happen in time, have timeless, abiding significance. Therefore, the so-called “preaching in hell,” which is the faith of the Church, is a revelation of Christ to those who in their earthly life could not see or know Christ. There are no grounds for limiting this event…to the Old Testament saints alone, as Catholic theology does. Rather, the power of this preaching should be extended to all time for those who during their life on earth did not and could not know Christ but meet him in the afterlife.
Those who died outside the Church (i.e, unbaptised people) cannot be commemorated at the Divine Liturgy. Despite this, we are still allowed and, if anything, required to pray for all unbaptised/unbelieving people, that the Lord may have mercy on them and allow them into His heavenly kingdom.
We must pray for all, including non-O, & those of other faiths & no faith.
But only O can be commemorated in the DL.
Changing topics:
We pray for all non-O, but not pray with them.
I would strongly suggest reading the Passion of St Perpetua and Felicity. It is not a long read, and may help with your answer.
What if they where not part of the church ?
Privately we can still pray for them
We must pray for them, as we must pray for all.
We just can't commemorate them in the DL.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Doesnt the bible say not to talk to the dead?
praying for God's mercy for the departed isn't the same as using a medium to 'communicate' with the dead.
You're asking for God to grant grace upon another soul. When people go to a seance or talk to a medium; that medium isn't even talking to the dead, but to demons.
Christ grants us life eternal, I'm praying to those who are very much alive.
Christ knows death too. Why do we speak with Him?
Taking to the dead is not as same as praying for mercy on their souls.
The first is talking to demons the second is asking God for mercy
Is calling up the dead the same as asking for intercessions or praying for departed souls? It can't be.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
We can pray TO God FOR the departed
@@holyresurrectionofchrist Oh really, where is the scripture for that?
We can be baptized for the dead 1 Corinthians 15:29, but we should definitely not be praying to Angels or Saints! There is no scripture for that practice and it is down right blasphemous! I'm guessing you must be a Catholic!👊🤣✌️🇭🇲
43 He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. 44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
2 Maccabees 12:43-45
Raba said: It teaches that Caleb held aloof from the plan of the spies and went and prostrated himself upon the graves of the patriarchs, saying to them, 'My fathers, pray on my behalf that I may be delivered from the plan of the spies'. (As for Joshua, Moses had already prayed on his behalf; as it is said: And Moses called Hoshea the son of Nun Joshua,17 [meaning], May Jah save thee [yoshi'aka] from the plan of the spies.)
Sotah 34b
“And I did not take her even to Bethlehem to bring her into the [inhabited region of the Holy] Land…but you should know that I buried her there by divine command, so that she would be of assistance to her children. When [the Babylonian general] Nebuzaradan exiles [the Israelites] and they pass by there, Rachel will emerge from her grave and weep and beg mercy for them, as it is said: "A voice is heard on high, lamentation, bitter weeping, Rachel is weeping for her children." And the Holy One, blessed be He, answers her, "'There is reward for your work... and the children shall return to their own border.'" (Jeremiah 31:14-16) - Rashi's commentary on the verse, from Pesikta Rabbati ch. 3.
This association with Rachel's tomb and her intercession for the Jews is why "Rachel weeps for her children" is mentioned both Jeremiah 31:14-16 and Matthew 2:18. This was understood by the Jews to be different than necromancy, and not only does neither Jesus nor the Apostles ever condemn it in spite of their focus on the Resurrection, Matthew alludes to it positively in his Gospel.
@@billcynic1815 Your Sir, are a deluded twit, or a liar, you choose!
The scripture you quoted is not even biblical canon, let alone is it even any type of allusion to praying to Angels, or Saints!
You might as well have used King David's adultery with Beth Sheba as proof GOD allows adultery.
Jesus even shows you how to and who to pray to in His pray example: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name!
You people can to GOD about any dead person you like, the fact is, that it is merely in Vain, to ease your grieving heart!
Pray to GOD alone and try reading 1 Samual 28 and see what happens to kings who consult the dead!👊😇✝️