Trying to get my head around how that rear suspension geometry is set up. Looks like the trailing arms and rear lower control arms (radial arms?) would push and pull against each other when the wheel travels up and down. Like something has to give... how are they connected too each other? huge rubber bushings between them? Or do the trailing arms twist the lower wishbone slightly forwards during compression, causing decreased caster (increased negative caster) for extra stability during compression?
Is Mt.Interprise from eastern part of U.S.?? I think they do Surface mining as well.. Back n early 2000s I subcontracted a clear cut job from them running from Pikeville KY to somewhere in bumfkt Va.. Paid very well. Good guys there I worked with... After my crew clear cut they came in with D11s & 9s dozers, loafers,triple7 rocktrucks to take mountain top down to the coal.. They totally reclaim afterwards..
The best reason not to support this rock crawling/racing discipline is that the government likes it much better than true off-road desert racing. If it's what the government would rather have you do, you know it's not a good thing for you.
Prediction Hammers winner if it doesn't break 2018 ,formula 1 off road kart buggy ultra. Whatever you want to call it the list is long I am sure but PLEASE can I drive it .
Never understood the interest in this half desert / half rock crawling discipline. We already had desert racing, we already had rock crawling. What's next, combining mud bogging and stadium car crushing? How about circle track combined with drag racing? What about Indy car and mud bogging? Golf and swimming? Combining two sports that are good on their own usually makes no sense at all. I don't see any reason why desert and rock crawling are an exception.
Niko942 It's fun. If you have an offroad vehicle capable of going fast and can also rock climb, why not do both? All of your combinations you did make zero sense. Rock crawling and desert racing make sense.
Niko942 some people just don't understand the full affect of this type of racing and how brutal it really is. I have been to every type of desert and rock race and this is still by far my favorite. Watching what these men, women, and machines can achieve in person is incredible to say the least. Go one time and I guarantee you will have a change of heart. This race is fucking badass, Niko.
Hey Oris. I researched your hypothesis that this form of racing was "brutal". I looked up all available race results on the ultra4racing website. Historically, off-road races have about a 50-60% finishing rate. Here's the data they provide: 2017 Nitto King of The Hammers Powered by Optima Batteries - 100% finishing rate 2017 Smittibilt Every Man Challenge Overall - 100% finishing rate 2017 Smittybilt Every Man Challenge G2 4800 - 100% finishing rate 2017 Smittybilt Every Man Challenge Rubicon Express 4500 - 100% finishing rate 2017 Smittybilt Every Man Challenge Pro Comp 4600 - 100% finishing rate 2017 Can-Am KOH UTV Race Presented by RCV - 100% finishing rate 2017 Vision X Shootout Presented by KMC, King and Nitro Gear & Axle - 58.5% finishing rate
Niko942 I never said anything about statistics, although those statistics do seem quite high, but good for the teams for building such bulletproof machines if they are correct. I simply stated what my opinion was about how tough this race really is. I can understand that not everyone will like this type of race, but there is a reason why it is one of the fastest growing off road races in the country. This place turns from a desolate desert one day, to a full blown small city over the course of a week. The experience of just being there up close and personal with all the teams and drivers and being able to drive/ride to some the toughest obstacles these men and women encounter in just a few minutes is amazing. Unlike Baja or the Mint, or any alike, where you have to either sit and wait for hours and hours at one spot for a few trucks/buggies to pass by or chase them for hundreds of miles. And don't get me wrong, I love all off road races, including those. I'm not trying to change your mind on anything, just stating don't knock it until you experience it for yourself. If you like rock bouncing or crawling, and also like desert racing, why not see what it's like to watch these rigs do 100mph+ in the desert and jump right into climbing up hundreds of feet of boulders that are the size of small houses? I can appreciate your opinion, though. It's not for everyone.
+ORIS You have a good attitude. Your biggest point here is that this Ultra4 racing is easier and more fun to watch. From a racing standpoint, being easier to watch generally has a net result of making it a worse experience for the racers. This is entirely due to the money and corporate pandering that ensues. But my point is being batter for watching doesn't make it better racing. Shorter courses also mean less alone time, less connection to the desert and either more spectator injuries or tighter restrictions on the racers. However there are definitely political benefits for the sport if it has a bigger fan base. What series/class do you race in?
Man that independent rear really makes it butter. Innovation that I hope eventually hits mainstream.
Trying to get my head around how that rear suspension geometry is set up. Looks like the trailing arms and rear lower control arms (radial arms?) would push and pull against each other when the wheel travels up and down. Like something has to give... how are they connected too each other? huge rubber bushings between them?
Or do the trailing arms twist the lower wishbone slightly forwards during compression, causing decreased caster (increased negative caster) for extra stability during compression?
I know this is a ways back, but is this one of the Gomez brothers?
yeah sure is
It would be great if Fox calibrated their suspensions in a lab and not in a subjective way as they are doing in this type of cars :)
What? Pretty much every race vehicle gets tuned this exact same way. It all depends on the environment they are racing in.
super down to earth crew by the looks. awesome build and great video as always @Madram11!
Nice team effort on that build- - -Way Cool
I'm digging this rig and its 3 speed T-case.
driver is like a kid in a candy store! then again i would to! freakin badass machine right there! thanks for sharin!
limited droop to make rcvs live that rear set up is sick
looks very well ballanced
thanks for that awesome Video. I hope that you will continue to upload more awesome content. I like it really.
Anyone on atv scene understand that UFO! To go fast IRS is the way to go! Still love my jeep tj...
Has it ever been said how much travel this rig suspension had? Both front and rear but specifically in the rear.
I am honestly not sure, sorry
oh well. Thanks for responding on such a old vid. Really impressive that you have that level of dedication.
I always try and do my best when I can. Thanks for checking out the footage
amazing build for sure! the rear suspension reminds me of the Ford TTB setup.
Yeah similar for sure
how much would a machine like this set you back?
FightMeNow my guess is around 250-300k
MadRam11 wow how can someone afford it to build something like this?
Fabian Franzmann they own a huge logging company
Is Mt.Interprise from eastern part of U.S.?? I think they do Surface mining as well.. Back n early 2000s I subcontracted a clear cut job from them running from Pikeville KY to somewhere in bumfkt Va.. Paid very well. Good guys there I worked with... After my crew clear cut they came in with D11s & 9s dozers, loafers,triple7 rocktrucks to take mountain top down to the coal.. They totally reclaim afterwards..
looks almost like a ttb in the back
Good Lord... That is a machine!
It's amazing for sure
this is awesome
looks like lot of people doesnt know meaning of UFO
They seemed a bit confusing on "surfing" too, lol.
The best reason not to support this rock crawling/racing discipline is that the government likes it much better than true off-road desert racing. If it's what the government would rather have you do, you know it's not a good thing for you.
Can you drive it on normal streets in USA?
no
Technically, what would this "machine" be classified as?
Ultra4 race car
Sounds cool :)
i need me a beast like that one
Throw some paddles on it and take it to the dunes!
Prediction Hammers winner if it doesn't break 2018 ,formula 1 off road kart buggy ultra. Whatever you want to call it the list is long I am sure but PLEASE can I drive it .
osam
oh yes !! ;-()
I love the sound of a v8 ripping it up.
Never understood the interest in this half desert / half rock crawling discipline. We already had desert racing, we already had rock crawling. What's next, combining mud bogging and stadium car crushing? How about circle track combined with drag racing? What about Indy car and mud bogging? Golf and swimming?
Combining two sports that are good on their own usually makes no sense at all. I don't see any reason why desert and rock crawling are an exception.
Niko942 It's fun. If you have an offroad vehicle capable of going fast and can also rock climb, why not do both? All of your combinations you did make zero sense. Rock crawling and desert racing make sense.
Niko942 some people just don't understand the full affect of this type of racing and how brutal it really is. I have been to every type of desert and rock race and this is still by far my favorite. Watching what these men, women, and machines can achieve in person is incredible to say the least. Go one time and I guarantee you will have a change of heart. This race is fucking badass, Niko.
Hey Oris. I researched your hypothesis that this form of racing was "brutal". I looked up all available race results on the ultra4racing website. Historically, off-road races have about a 50-60% finishing rate. Here's the data they provide:
2017 Nitto King of The Hammers Powered by Optima Batteries - 100% finishing rate
2017 Smittibilt Every Man Challenge Overall - 100% finishing rate
2017 Smittybilt Every Man Challenge G2 4800 - 100% finishing rate
2017 Smittybilt Every Man Challenge Rubicon Express 4500 - 100% finishing rate
2017 Smittybilt Every Man Challenge Pro Comp 4600 - 100% finishing rate
2017 Can-Am KOH UTV Race Presented by RCV - 100% finishing rate
2017 Vision X Shootout Presented by KMC, King and Nitro Gear & Axle - 58.5% finishing rate
Niko942 I never said anything about statistics, although those statistics do seem quite high, but good for the teams for building such bulletproof machines if they are correct. I simply stated what my opinion was about how tough this race really is. I can understand that not everyone will like this type of race, but there is a reason why it is one of the fastest growing off road races in the country. This place turns from a desolate desert one day, to a full blown small city over the course of a week. The experience of just being there up close and personal with all the teams and drivers and being able to drive/ride to some the toughest obstacles these men and women encounter in just a few minutes is amazing. Unlike Baja or the Mint, or any alike, where you have to either sit and wait for hours and hours at one spot for a few trucks/buggies to pass by or chase them for hundreds of miles. And don't get me wrong, I love all off road races, including those. I'm not trying to change your mind on anything, just stating don't knock it until you experience it for yourself. If you like rock bouncing or crawling, and also like desert racing, why not see what it's like to watch these rigs do 100mph+ in the desert and jump right into climbing up hundreds of feet of boulders that are the size of small houses? I can appreciate your opinion, though. It's not for everyone.
+ORIS You have a good attitude. Your biggest point here is that this Ultra4 racing is easier and more fun to watch. From a racing standpoint, being easier to watch generally has a net result of making it a worse experience for the racers. This is entirely due to the money and corporate pandering that ensues. But my point is being batter for watching doesn't make it better racing.
Shorter courses also mean less alone time, less connection to the desert and either more spectator injuries or tighter restrictions on the racers. However there are definitely political benefits for the sport if it has a bigger fan base.
What series/class do you race in?