Not only is this one of the best fan theories that I've ever had the privilege of hearing, you did an amazing job with keeping a video of this length engaging. In other words, I just subscribed
I definitely had to subscribe as well. 😂 This video was amazing, talented, interesting, formative, and it was a really interesting perspective. 💯👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I think Moselle slept with someone else’s husband and got ab curse put on her. That’s why she kept saying her and her Brother were one in the same!🤷🏿♀️
I thought that.. i also wondered if Their Mother was a Mistress & if the wife of the man she slept & had kids with is ElZora.. 🤡😭.. And thats why Elzora cursed them..and thats a part of the whisperings of side babies & that lingering of 'secret families' & the potential of being abandoned for them.. I think the reason why thee side baby convo was only sprinkled in, is to create symbolism for the 'Family Secrets' of the Baptiste Family/Black People as a collective.. Juss my theory 😁.. There was definitely a pathology of infidelity & lust/temptation
yessssss I totally agree I believe Mozelle was cursed by somebody’s wife for sleeping with their husband and her mother was maybe cursed too probably by elzora like u said
I think this theory was interesting and well thought out because No I don’t believe it was eve that killed louis but I also don’t believe it was moselles curse either. In my opinion, Louis attitude is what got him killed. Plain and simple: “ sometimes a soldier falls on his own sword “ and thats honestly what happened…
It's both. Louis took no accountability. A spell was put on him. When a person is in sin..they are vulnerable to attack even death. Very astute, well acted film. Eye opening.
what sticks with me in the end is that this movie realistically portrays exactly how generational curses are passed down to this day: secrets, lies, and selective silence, misunderstandings, deliberate confusion, and shielding young people from truth out of the belief that they won’t understand as much as adults.
Lynn Whitfield, Debbie Morgan, the late great Diahanne Carrol and Samuel Jackson were phenomenal in Eve's Bayou. Cecily was a daddy's girl and her father relished his daughter's adoration not knowing that her pubescent emotions gave her the delusional notion that she could could insert herself in her parents' troubled marriage to replace her mother. Also, Lewis was a doctor with no recognition in the medical profession outside his community. His main clients were lonely women that stroked his ego and then some. He sought this type of adulation to compensate for his limitations as a Black doctor constrained by segregation. So caught up in his need to be validated he fell prone to feeding his inner turmoil by having sexual relations outside his marriage and became very reckless and spiritually blind. Had he not been a narcissist he would have known his relationship with Cecily was entering dangerous territory because she needed her father's love and probably was aware her parents' marriage was troubled and blamed her mother, leading her to believe she could "fix" her father. Louis died a tragic death because he refused to respect the boundaries of another man's boundaries...the wages of sin is death.
Entertaining Black Man videos, we know. We watched a movie with her in it a couple of weeks ago. She was a great child actor was the point of the comment. Unlike many child actors, she successfully transitioned to being a successful adult actor. The point we were making is that she was great even when she was a child. Just so you understand what we were saying...
The reason Eve apologized when she caught her father in the closet with the woman is because back in those days children were seen and not heard and because she yelled out it was seen as disrespectful by them. In those days kids were not people too like we treat them now so it’s not weird it was customary
Janae, we got that and fully understand southern customs, with families from the South and being Louisiana Creole. That said, the point we were making is the audacity that in the midst of wrongdoing, the innocent child is compelled to come from the position that she was wrong. That was the overarching point and context for that aspect of the discussion.
Oh i totally agree yet, as wrong as they were… I can appreciate Eve’s spirit- children don’t lie so they were BEYOND CALLOUS but the decorum remains with possible threat of corporal punishment. I think that dad rested on the laurels of the fear he knew was involved. Had it been the oldest child that caught them, things would’ve gone differently, I don’t think she would have apologized. Those days were about secrets…. 2022 eyes on decades ago brings a different idea of the action that unravels the past in impossible ways. I’m just glad we’ve learned from a lot of it.
@@AxiomAmnesia here’s a good question did Eve later on and avenge her father like 10- etc yrs down the road given that’s traumatic,I’m just saying that’ll be a good question to ask make a video about…
If you notice not only did Sicily get her hair cut similar to her mother's but her mother usually wears a natural tone lipstick Sisley outright went grown and did Red which back then was only designated to fast women in many circles
@@AxiomAmnesia Absolutely! The plot was so simple yet it grabbed our attention and didn’t let go till hours after it was over. Remember when the story mattered? Maybe I’m just getting old? 🤷♀️ I had wondered about the curse when I first watched. Wondered if maybe it were the bayou itself, but others seemed to point to the Baptiste family. Elzora herself implied it went much further back than Mozelle. I’m sure envy, lust and greed were the culprits. They usually are.
The statement "when my father said goodnight," is a double entendre. Meaning, by him saying goodnight to Maddie, he also said goodnight to his family because he was killed. Which was the tonal fear ultimately.
Watching Eves Bayou as a black Louisiana creole was so refreshing, it’s so nice to see one’s culture being displayed in such an amazing piece of media.
As a Creole woman, I love this movie more than I say. I’ve watched it so many times, I could write the entire script by memory. I also love Feast of All Saints. Creole proud! And yes, my family has been doing voodoo for generations. ⚜️
After reading Feast of All Saints, I got the suspicion that Anne Rice is a white passing Creole. How could she know so much about the culture unless it is her culture.
@@ivymoss7383 …Creole is not a race. Creole is having French, Native and African heritage. Many Creoles also have Cajun heritage. Most old Creole families were in the same phenotypes. Anne Rice is a native-New Orleanian like Ellen de Generes.
I love that movie!! I'm dealing with GENERATIONAL CURSES AND TRAUMAS in my therapy group right now!! People don't understand how GENERATIONAL TRAUMAS EVENTUALLY BECOMING GENERATIONAL CURSES!!
The relationship between Lewis and Cecily always made me uncomfortable. It's normal I think to a certain degree, for a young girl to idolize her father but there was something dark and scary in their interactions that use to make me think more might've been happening between them.
Cissily was manipulating Eve before she lied on her dad, though. She called her rabbit before she lied and said she could never be upset with her but she was always annoyed with Eve when Eve wanted to share her dad's attention with her. Did she even call her rabbit any other time in the movie?
The father made her daughters compete one another over him. Older one got confused because he made her a care taker and she was acting as his wife and cared for him emotionally. He made her feel like she is better consultant than her mother. It’s all him not her. Even if she went for an adult kiss, that’s him making her doing that.
Lewis’s own hubris killed him. Elzora already knew he was going to die and that the family would be better for it. Hence her telling Roz to “look to her children” and things would improve in 3 years. I doubt she actually did the hex. Also, Mozelle did read Eve when they touched hands. She pretended she didn’t get anything because of the startling nature of what she saw. She went on to handle it privately by confronting Lewis. Cicely blamed her mother for the father’s absence and philandering and thought if she could just be the perfect daughter/wife she could save the family. I do believe Lewis was grooming and SA Cicely. Apparently there’s a deleted scene that confirms it but I’ve yet to find the scene.
Just for a bit of context here... This is a fan theory and our fan theories only consider what actually made it to the film, not interviews or deleted scenes. Fan theory aside, I do appreciate the take that Mozelle was able to read Eve and she pretended not to see it. That's interesting and I like that possible angle. However, she reads Eve after having been the one to comfort Cisely, and it didn't take having the gift of sight to see that Cisely was acting like she was a victim of something. You can see it in the scene and how she witnesses Cisely's response when Louis tries to touch her and see what's going on. Given this blaring clue, I refute the notion that Mozelle actually read Eve. Even with the common interpretation of the film a point was being made by the fact that Mozelle COULDN'T read Eve. So, I believe Mozelle confronted Louis based on what she directly saw with Cisely's behavior. Also, I do not believe that Louis was grooming her. I completely reject that idea and I think it tempting to latch on to that idea because in 2022 when so much abuse has been uncovered and is spoken about openly, many people see the world through the lens of a predator. From a literary perspective, it's important to remember that this is a work of fiction, and the implication that Louis did something to Cisely pulls the viewer in and makes the viewer side with Eve that something bad should happen to Louis because of what the viewer believes he did until the very last minute when we discover that it wasn't true. If we take the approach that Louis did the unthinkable, that completely ruins the genius of the writing. To me this is more evidence that Louis was not grooming Cisely. True, he was a chauvinist pig, but I don't think he did that to his daughter.
@@AxiomAmnesia Cicely was definitely SA'd by her father. The signs were there, bucking up to her mother, always siding with her father. Waiting up late for him. Even emulating her mother somewhat with the lipstick and change of hair style. The long baths she would take. And the blood in her underwear, her shrinking back and away from her family barely speaking. The elektra complex is what we call it. And is the opposite of the odiepius complex. "Daddy's girls" The elekctra complex is where Father and daughter team up against Mother, having inside jokes between each other and making snide remarks to and about Mother. Cicely only ever acted the way she did from the abuse, and because she obviously saw her parents weren't getting along, and mostly blamed her Mother, due to her father's influence. She probably thought her father giving the attention to her would make him stay home more or at least, not leave the family completely. She's angry with her Mother- not only because she's close witn her Dad. But because she feels unprotected by her Mother. Her Mother probably knows or has an inklining the inappropriate relationship between them but won't say or do anything. Cicely feels hopless and obviously still engages to keep her Father's attention at home. But in my opinion. She was definitely SA'd by her father.
Klairel, did you see the part of the video where we mentioned the Elecktra complex? Ant any rate, I understand your opinions. I vehemently disagree about the SA for the reasons I've stated before. And what about the fact that this is a work of fiction that uses our anger at Louis for what we think he's done to make a big reveal in the end that what we and Eve thought was incorrect? Let's think about this more deeply for a moment.
@@AxiomAmnesia I got up to the 59:48 time stamp. So if you did mention the complex I didn't see. Apologies. But again, just my opinion. Eve's Bayou is one of my favourite films and I watched it a few times and my opinion still stands about Cicely being SA'd by her father. I also think Mozelle saw something when she touched Eve's hands but played it off. Mozelle had the same look she gave Eve after touching her hands, as she did with Elzora's character when Roz was getting a reading.
No worries. That's the beauty of art, I e can interpret it however we choose. Thanks again so much for watching. I know this was a really long video ! 😊
Pineapple thief. A generational hex. Due to a delusional mix of misplaced love, lust, and jealousy. I believe that elzora had part in the initial generational hex. Louis and moselle did not have a dad in the movie. The curse started with their mom. Moselle took her losses personal, and did not see that it this was happening before her. Eve (jurnee) will be one to break the hex ultimately because she isn’t tied up in herself ( like her aunt and father). She learned early on, how making decisions based off of emotions can lead you blindly to a path of destruction. And she now knows what is happening, ie the wax coffin in the graveyard. So not only can she protect herself, she can restore peace and balance to her bloodline.
I LOVE THIS!!!! Yes! I couldn't agree more. Thanks so much for watching this super long video and weighing in with even more details that make sense with this theory!
The mother knew what was going on, but culture, society, and maybe fear of losing her financial and social standing and embarrassment to confront it. As a child even won't be as affected by these things. Also she doesn't idolize her father like her mother and sister do. I think that was lost when she saw her father cheating on her mom.
Fun fact the grandmother on this actually played the grandmother on The Cosby Show she played Claire's mother and yes she even spoke French then is she speaking that original traditional Creole only the old folks remember that the Young Folks nowadays don't speak the original Creole language they speak more English
I think Sicily freaking out because of the blood could be one of two things either this time they're interaction went a little bit too far and her hymen broke pencil of why she didn't want any interaction with her father to know that she's bleeding or she finally realizes the Innocence and the appeal of innocence is gone now she has her period she'll be treated differently by her father all the affections that he gave her would be no more
I watched another video saying she was being groomed by him and it went too far that night. I NEVER saw it that way until then and I just watched it a couple weeks ago. While I don't believe that's what happened, I do see how one could think that.
That is exactly what happened. Otherwise the “period” starting the next day is completely random. Also there is a deleted scene where the disabled uncle saw what happened.
@@angyllhazel Interesting! I was thinking that Elzora didn't place the curse on Mozelle, BUT if Mozelle took Elzora's man long ago then I can understand why Elzora did it. However, I don't think so. Why would they not put that in the script? That would make the film more interesting.
@@angyllhazel pineapple thief. That’s what I was wondering but not wife, maybe sister, aunt, cousin. Especially if she was related to the one that was killed by the jealous lover. Like, “since my brother died because of you, you’ll never be happy with anyone.”
Thank you, algorithm, for sliding this my way! I've watched this movie MAD times and was always a little confused about the ending (especially with Cicely and the father). This was good!
Pineapple thief 😆. I always wondered why Cissly reacted so violently just from having her period. It makes sense that she was abused. When I use to see this movie when I was younger, I was so confused and uncomfortable bc I definitely knew that this was a father and daughter. I guess even as a child you know what’s really up even if you don’t know exactly how to put all these pieces together.
Hey EB and thanks for watching! :-) Did Cisely react violently to getting her period or was this simply a stressful time in her life with the family stresses and reaching puberty? I ask this because I remember when I "became a woman" (maybe TMI but I gotta make my point LOL). I woke up that morning and there "she" was. Even though I had been prepared for what would happen, when it did I felt sad and had mixed feeling about all the changes my body was going through. I'm saying this to say that there are indeed other explanations for why Cisely would be in a bad mood after beginning menstruation--and that's without all the stress she was going through.
She wasn’t sa - watch Mozelle’s reaction to Eve when she tells her about the drowning woman dream. Mozelle normally has a close relationship with Eve but at that last scene, she distanced herself from Eve.
I have never watched this movie. Don’t know why, it always kind of gave me a weird feeling like the movie “Beloved” that I never really sat down and watched. I was excited watching this review because I felt it would give me understanding and interest to the movie and this review did that and more! This was AWESOME, and left me very excited to sit and watch this movie later today.
The last scene where eve opens her hands to Cicely and she didn't have any memory besides getting hit goes to show that the threat Mo made to Eve earlier in the film was possible She was slapped blind . Amazing review of the movie and great trip down memory lane thanks for the experience!!!!
I’m thinking that Elzora cursed Mozel because she probably slept with her husband seeing as how she was so promiscuous and she keeps saying that her and her brother are 2 of a kind
I honestly think the women of that family is cursed. If Cicely’s father didn’t SA her then what are the odd of you having child that is sexually attracted to her own father…
I have to disagree I don’t think Mozel’s curse effected him. Elzora definitely cursed Mozel but what really killed Lewis was his meddling child. Elzora told her mama to watch over the kids aka “your child gone run her mouth to the wrong person and come to me for help on killing your husband if you don’t keep watch” Pineapple thief
In Mozelles defense…after she learned the truth about her rolling stone brother from her niece….in that moment she was shook and she forgot that Eve was a child. So the conversation about past lovers with Eve was very inappropriate but considering Eves revelation about her brother, Mozelle was not thinking about anybody in that moment….she was just trying to make sense out of the whole thing and used herself as a way to put her mind at ease.
I hear you on that! Actually, Mozelle was always daydreaming while she was engaging with Eve. She did this the night she tried to read Eve on the porch too! Maybe this happens because she is visited by spirits a lot.
@@AxiomAmnesia Mozelles monologues are like poetry…she loses herself when she reminisces about the past…it’s definitely daydreaming. I can’t even begin to tell you how much I can relate to this movie..it’s really autobiographical minus the cringey molestation stuff😂. The way I’ve adopted ‘And they were rubbing’ into my vocabulary always leaves people tickled.😂 I am the descendant of Eve and John Baptiste….except I wasn’t named for her.
Pineapple Thief. I enjoyed the theory.I love this movie. I think that Mozelle did read Eve. That’s how she knew what happened between Louis and Cicely. That’s why Mozelle confronted Louis. Also, I think when Eve read Cicely, she saw what really happened . I think Cicely felt bad later because she initiated it ,then came to her senses later. Of course she was hurt because he hit her and rejected her.
I like that the film is open to our different interpretations. That's part of the beauty of art. Whatever you get out of it is what happened. The same with music lyrics and even the Bible.
If you notice the contrast of her sleeping attire when she had her ponytail she had pants she had a jacket in this scene where she sneaking to meet up with her father she has a gown more like a bridal attire sleepwear
I actually think Elzora was targeting Mozel and intentionally killing her husbands. That line about burying the wax coffin where all the other family members were can be interpreted this way. I think Eve gave Elzora enough info to give Elzora the impression that Eve's dad was abusing one of the kids, warranting her casting a spell to kill him also (Elzora was the gun, Eve pulled the trigger). If Mozel and here brother are so much alike, then Mozel likely needs to feel big too. Elzora was competition in terms of "gifting". Mozel may have been intentionally persuading people away from Elzora. And Mozel's head is so big, it never crosses her mind in all her voodoo expertise, that "mom and pop shop" Elzora was the cause of all her pain. I also think Eve is rewriting her memories by the end as she can't bear the thought of knowing she had a hand in killing her bad based on inconclusive information (sister's confusion/dad's version of the story-Eve doesn't actually get the truth, but it's too late).
I sort of feel bothered that they put that letter in the lake in the end. I feel like there is so much confusion and their mother needed that last word from the father. Where he was finally honest, confronted an issue, and remorseful. Also, so that the mother wouldn't go to her own death believing that her husband would actually harm his daughter in that way.
@@Gigglingsiren The father mentioned in the letter that she seemed to wonder if he did something to their daughter and he said he would never harm his most precious child. Roz wasn't 100% sure something happened but she did question it. Honestly, I can see other mothers wondering as well given Cicily's behavior almost like a grown woman competing with her own mother for her father.
Pineapple thief. This was a great video. You opened my eyes about the generational curse in the family. I wonder when the curse started. In the intro of the movie the original Eve saved the white plantation owner and she bore children with him. What if that's when it started. Someone was jealous of this black creole family who inherited land from their white ancestor or maybe angry because to the OG Eve saved him. Also I see the symbol of Eve and the apple religion throughout the movie. Example: When Eve talks to Mr. Monroe at the market, she told him she was looking for apples. But then hints at some knowledge about her dad and Mattie's affair. I'm the bible Eve ate from the fruit of knowledge which she gave to Adam, that eventually caused mankind to be cursed. Such knowledge comes at a price. In the movie the women in the Baptiste family have the gift of foresight, this comes at a cost because they become widows.
The beauty of the actors and the cinematography is so elegant and mesmerizing...one of my favorite movies to use when I'm giving examples of posh and lavish living during the 50's and 60's.
I really enjoyed the breakdown/assessment of pivotal scenes. I've always thought that Elzora only took Eve's money, but didn't do anything specifically to cause Lewis' demise, she just knew that he'd meet his fate because of his own careless ways. Now, after listening to your interpretation, I still think she didn't do anything specifically to cause his death in this instance, but maybe because his fate and that of the Batiste's were already written, perhaps generations ago.
Hi Michele! Thanks for watching. Yes, I agree with you, as I mentioned in the video, that Elzora didn't do anything with the money Eve gave because she didn't need to. She knew Louis was already gonna be dead.
I think this story encapsulates the power of denial more than anything. In the end, Eve & Cisely destroy their dad's letter to absolve themselves of the guilt that they helped kill their father. Just like when Mozelle reacted so strongly to Elzora's fortune, because she didn't want to believe what she already knew to be true. Like her brother, she was too narcissistic to see that her sins caused the trauma in her life. The witch had nothing to do with Louis death or any curse, she was just messing with Eve & probably never liked the family. Louis pride got him killed with his drinking, cheating, & lack thereof parenting. The children were collateral by default, specifically with Cisely trying to take the place of her own mother/Eve being influenced by her favorite aunt & taking up magic when she had no business dabbing in that stuff. Mozelle's visions are basically speculation, not entirely accurate. Same when Eve read her sister's palms, she only read Cisely's "perception" of events with her father, not what really happened. Kind of ties into the theme from the beginning when Cisely tells Eve what she "thought she saw" when she witnessed her dad's affair with Matty. Hence Cisely's own form of denial.
The way y’all broke it down was nothing short of phenomenal! I love this perspective and it makes so much sense. Now I have to go rewatch the movie and look at at the clues. Good work you guys! #PineappleThief
I always thought Moselle could read Eve but she didn't like what she saw so she pretended she didn't see anything. She saw the kiss didn't want to believe her brother would do something like that.
Well Mozelle was asking for Eve's hand to see who she wanted to kill with voodoo. Eve refuse to say why she wanted to know how to kill, then Mozelle tried to read her to see what she was hiding.
Yes, she could read her (and she did in that moment). Remember at the end, the content of the unsent letter Louis writes to Mozelle is an attempt at explaining the incident and he stated that he was hurt that Mozelle would go that far to accuse him of assaulting his daughter. No one else would have revealed this incident to Mozelle. Eve definitely kept her word and Cicily was already out of town. She got the information from that reading but just pretended not to, to keep it a secret and to perhaps lessen the burden of truth and shame, mirroring how when Eve told her about the affair with Maddy, she threatened her to keep it quiet. You could see the shock on her face when she found out.
Pineapple thief 😂 this really was one of my favs growing up and that line has always stuck with me. I really liked this break down because I never believed it was Eve's fault that her Dad died. He was really his own undoing.
Really interesting theory! I love Eve’s Bayou, filmed in my home state, and feels so real. Centered around a black creole upper class family, maneuvering through life in a small town, perfect. This movie had so many layers, I wish it was a novel! pineapple 🍍
Maybe one of Moselle's lovers was one of Zoras. Or maybe its a "First born" or "First Daughter" curse. Maybe their father was one of Zoras lovers. Or Zora and Moselle grew up together and know each other more than what we saw
That'll definitely be a good idea for a part 2.. the way they mean mugging each other at the carnival made me wonder the same.. maybe they viewed one another as competition 🤷🏾♀️
Cicely and her father both told the truth. she kissed him first because they both said it happened. Just an innocent sugar kiss as old people called it. The rest is an awkward moment. Simultaneously they both went in for second kiss. Most likely a good night kiss. We know she waits up for her dad at night. This is their form of intimacy. So assumed this is the routine. However because louis was drunk and Cicely hair was cut like her mom's I think for a hot second he forgot this isn't Ross this my daughter. On Cicely side she felt the change in the nature of the kiss and got scared. All this happened at once. They both had a wtf moment. They both felt violated by the other. Which is why she fought him and he slapped her. They both went into defense mode. He slapped her in fear not cause he was trying to rape her. I believe this symbolized the end of Cicely seeing her dad the way Ross once saw her husband. Enchanted that he could heal and fix things. Only to find out he is just a man. And I believe in this moment, the wtf moment resprented the breakdown between father and daughter. I don't think he was grooming her. She was just the child that was the most like Ross. Maybe Ross lost herself in the marriage. So he clinged to the kid that most reminded him of his wife when they first met. And Cicely just was a daddy's girl. Representing your first love. I was just like that. You couldn't say ish about my pop! But he tried to make that right. I think that was just misplaced feelings. Had he not been drunk it wouldn't of happened. It was a lapse in lucidness. Definitely some favoritism that could be mistaken for grooming. Her father broke her heart cause he slapped her not the kiss. He never hit the kids which also shows something. He don't fit the bill of a rapist. He's a womanizer though. I don't think going by his character in the movie I have to say no.
Ms True Ty, THIS is the best explanation I've heard this far that the folks who wanna insist Louis did the unthinkable with Cisely should read! I'm so sick of people in these comments trying to say he was grooming her. A WTF moments characterizes it perfectly. Thank you for weighing in in this! 😊
This is the one!! My thoughts entirely and the most accurate observation in my opinion! I don’t believe at all he was SA-ing her. For many people our first introduction of our love map begins with our parents and how we see them. I believe that Cicely definitely had missplaced and confused feelings for her father. There is an actual word for that too.
@@AxiomAmnesia I completely agree! There’s a woman on RUclips that does very similar reviews and I think her video is the one where people got that idea that Louis was crossing those boundaries. I like some of her videos but often times her theories are a bit extreme in my personal opinion.. but yes this has to be the best comment I have read!
Eve knew how to keep her Aunt from reading her mind. That's why all Mozelle heard was Eve's little cry, also why Mozelle stated, " I wont squeeze it out of you" Almost to think Mozelle knew she could get the info if she wanted too. Great review of one of my favorites Pineapple Theif
A daughter needs love and validation from her father as she grows into a young woman. I look at their relationship as their “1st boyfriend “. Most likely these daughters will look for or desire their future boyfriends/slash husband like their father. Like maybe look for a lover that mirrors their father (physically/emotionally/character wise). And I notice Cicely is trying to be like her mother and take her place to keep the family together. IMO.
@@jama3997 naw cicely’s mother was to upset to usher her daughter into womanhood. Cicely wanted to do her mothers job and keep her dad happy. He never saw his daughter other than his daughter. He didn’t help by allowing this behavior tho
Love love love this breakdown! As for the fortune teller I think the film showing her snatch the $20 when she charged $1 is to show that she is money hungry and will do/say whatever to satisfy a client. The fact that she knows the family already could show that her reading wasn’t exactly pure. I also think her at once saying “soldiers die on their own sword “ and then “people speed up their own deaths “ was her saying to Journey that no voodoo is needed to kill someone who has it coming. Furthermore I don’t believe she put any curse on the father at all and was playing in the child’s face saying “is he dead yet?, I made a wax coffin”. She indeed made nothing because she knew it was only a matter of time. Marvelous breakdown guys!
I loved the way you both narrated this; I was laughing at some parts because it was so entertaining! This movie is black Hollywood Louisiana style classic! It is so beautiful and well acted and lord the women are so stunning!!! I appreciate the theory but it didn’t really connect the dots for me! I do believe in Clairvoyants but mostly from a foreshadow aspect and yes curses are real but this film showcased people who made really selfish decisions knowing they were jeopardizing the hearts of others and they reaped what they sowed. Did the father really think he could go on sleeping with all of these women, some married, without consequence? Did Moezelle think she could step out on her married husbands with countless lovers without consequence? Somebody needed to sit them down and tell them “Sit your fast asses down and stop blaming your hoeing on curses!” Lol
Your last line made me 😂. Yes, the idea of a consequence for ones actions is clearly the intent of the common interpretation of the film, and that cannot be ignored. The fan theory just looks at the film from another angle. In my mind it's ALL connected... Actions, consequences, interventions, and expectations.
1:07:52 Elzora is a very beautiful woman without the paint. All these women in the movie were drop dead gorgeous, Lewis's patients, and even the grandmother. Eve and Sicily we're gorgeous as well.
There is a big emphasis on "PERHAPS in gratitude, she bore him 16 children" That one inflection tells so much of the subtext. The family curse starts with the original Eve. Its like people sickeningly romatisizing Sally Hemmings and Jefferson. How much choice and agency is really there? If you think about it for one second obviously not much. And you can follow that curse through the family line as complacency is exchanged for land, a house, social standing and esteem. Everyone labours to maintain the facade and passes on the curse, robbing the next generation of the truth and the ability to make different choices. It is shortsighted selfishness disguised as safety.
But Mozelle does read Eve. I believe she doesn’t see everything which Eve thinks she knows but that’s because she freaks out at the little she does see and abruptly pulls away. But she did see some of the events according to Eve’s knowledge. That is why later in Louis’s letter, he expresses how hurt he is that Mozelle could ever approach and ask if he did this horrible thing to Cisely. He makes a point of acknowledging that he’s been running around chasing tail but that she could ever think he’d hurt his daughter in such an awful is shocking to him. Why bring up his womanizing ways if she only asked about the slap? Plus, he denies having ever done the thing she’s asking about. Well, he did in fact slap her. That’s confirmed later. He’s denying inappropriately kissing his daughter. Mozelle was never told this story. Mozelle read Eve very well.
That's not how I interpreted it. When she tried to read Eve, she got blocked in a nasty way--she wasn't expecting this and that's why I believe she was startled. I believe that Mozelle's accusations against Louis came directly from her own observations of Cisely when she was in her bedroom and Louis came in to check on her and she rejected him. Mozelle tries to read Eve after having been the one to comfort Cisely, and it didn't take having the gift of sight to see that Cisely was acting like she was a victim of something. You can see it in the scene and how she witnesses Cisely's response when Louis tries to touch her and see what's going on. Given this blaring clue, I refute the notion that Mozelle actually read Eve. Even with the common interpretation of the film a point was being made by the fact that Mozelle COULDN'T read Eve. So, I believe Mozelle confronted Louis based on what she directly saw with Cisely's behavior. Also, I do not believe that Louis was inappropriate with her. I completely reject that idea and I think it tempting to latch on to that idea because in 2022 when so much abuse has been uncovered and is spoken about openly, many people see the world through the lens of a predator. From a literary perspective, it's important to remember that this is a work of fiction, and the implication that Louis did something to Cisely pulls the viewer in and makes the viewer side with Eve that something bad should happen to Louis because of what the viewer believes he did until the very last minute when we discover that it wasn't true. If we take the approach that Louis actually did the unthinkable, that completely ruins the genius of the writing. To me this is more evidence that Louis was not inappropriate with Cisely. True, he was a chauvinist pig, but I don't think he did that to his daughter. And, in fact Cisely WAS the victim of being backhanded by both her mother and father in the face on the same day. That would have devastated any young lady who had never been chastised in such a way.
She started her period. Any menstruating woman/girl has had blood in her panties before. C'mon. And the first time you start, you're likely to wake up with it... Mishaps in panties is a NORMAL occurrence throughout a woman/girl's reproductive years.
Like I said, that's not how I interpret it, and clearly you see it differently. That's the beauty of art. We can each think what we want and not be " wrong".
You guys made me want to rewatch this movie because there was so much that I missed watching it a long time a go. Great review and it gave me a lot to think about :)
Dang, this movie is deeper than I thought. I've always loved this movie but never thought about it like this. Thank you for this breakdown. New subbie.👍🏾❤️
Generational curses is invited in by the family, Elzora is outside the family bloodline, she could not establish the Batiste’s generational curses. So no doubt Elzora have her own generational curses going on, pass down by what her ancestors did. Which affects her to this day. Notice Elzora don’t have a man either. And that’s not by choice. This would explain the lack of men in the Batiste family. Where is the grandmother’s husband? He probably met the same fate. Eve’s brother is not strong figure but a weak character in the movie. Which leads me to believe he will met the same fate as the rest of the men in the family. Basically the great grandmother Batiste was involved in voodoo (that’s how she healed the white slave owner) and that’s how the family curses begin. In this movie the generational curses affect the female and male family members differently. The women couldn’t keep a man. The men all died young. The daughters developed an unnatural attraction to their dad. So being from Louisiana, y’all better check that bloodline for ‘em curses. It’s real. For instance, my great aunt have 8 girls and 4 boys. Only 2 out of the 12 are married. That’s not normal for us country older folks. U better believe that’s a generational curses.
Pineapple thief...so glad I found this page. This was a great analysis and it's definitely giving a cursed family of powerful women who lose the men connected to them even the ones in their family. I also feel that's why Louis is so beloved in the family. He's been the only man to survive until his death. And now the younger brother becomes the only living man in the family
Thanks for watching and so glad you found us too! I really hope little Poe was destined to avoid all the drama and heartbreak that the rest of his family went through. ❤️
Glad yall did this movie, always had a erie vibe....my aunt use to be scared of this movie, to this day she won't watch it ... we like 9 years apart age wise but I use to like the movie even tho I never understood it ..I'm grown now and needa rewatch it
I remember I saw this movie when I was about 11. I instantly could relate to this story too. A lot of families can relate to this story of generational curses, cheating, additional children from outside marriages and relationships too. There was a lot in this family secrets we all could relate to it past stories and more.
I agree one hundred percent that Mozelle's generational curse is what got her brother killed. Eve's Bayou challenges you and at the same time forces you to think of some families that are very dysdunctional and cursed, incest and other unspeakable acts. There can never be a film relative to Eve's Bayou that intrigues me as Eve's Bayou has. No other film can better tell a relative story that Eve's Bayou hasn't already told.
Brilliantly done. I watched this movie a long time ago and was confused and never gave it a second try. After your video I will certainly watch it again.
Definitely a classic. I remember watching my mom and grandma watch this movie and being so bored. And watching the men get out of dodge when it came on. My mom said wait until you grow up you’ll understand why.
I believe Mozell's solution was to comfort the distraught auntie with a mojo bag. Such a lovely memory for me. What insightful, articulate narration. So proud of you both, in a smiling 'tante' sort of way...
Pineapple thief... This was an amazing breakdown and analysis. I haven't seen this movie in a while so I really enjoyed it. I NEVER put it together that the curse would affect Cisely. I only considered Eve. They even made her character's appearance look similar to Mozelle. Your theory makes so much sense! I loved it!
Great breakdown! I’m a transplant to New Orleans and I love everything about the culture and the mysticism of the city and these swampy stories. It’s also one of my favorite movies but I would need more connection to Elzora. I call one of my students “candy thief” as a reference to “pineapple thief” yes he did steal some candy. 😂
Pineapple thief. Another little tidbit the song playing in the bar at the end is ‘further on up the road’ by Bobby blue bland. Basically the song is about a guilty party getting their comeuppance later on.
Ohhh that's a great observation Taylor! And thanks for watching this really long video! I think they really took their time with so many details in this film. They did an excellent job.
Thank you so much! Eve's Bayou is one of my all-time favorites, especially to analyze and it's been hard to find people that are just as into it and breaking it down! Dope
I've always personally viewed it as, at the root of it, the family's handling the realization and processing their family dynamic cracking and the girls handling the reality of the secrets being kept differently. I've seen a lot of people say they thought Louis sexually assaulted Cicely, but I think the reason she was so distraught was because she was processing the fact that, in finding out about Lois and Maddie, watching her parents marriage become shaky, she felt like, as the oldest, she felt like playing the role of a mature young woman and try to take on some of her mother's traits, the lines got blurred a bit and she panicked in her confusion. I think Roz was partially right about Sicily resenting her, which would be normal because she's trying to make sense of the situation and how to fix it what, even if it's not their job. I think Sicily hiding herself away in her room was a very important plot point as well. I think that when she started her period, she was still in the mindset that she had to play the perfect woman role to keep her father around the family. I thought she tried to hide that away from him because in her mind, that would mean that she's not perfect anymore and that Louis would divorce the family. I think but Sicily is kind of starting to be a been aware of why she took the course of actions that she did and made the decision to go get help, and to talk to someone to make sense of it. You could tell at the end she was coming to terms a bit with where the lines blurred within her confusion. I think I'm rambling, but I absolutely love this film and the way it portrayed perspective.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on this. The blurred lines and faulty memories make it virtually impossible to say with all certainty what did or didn't happen between father and daughter. It leaves a lot to discuss!
Exactly seven days ago I got into it with my mom because of a discussion we were having about generational curses. She believes that our family down to my brother and I are in fact being affected by this generational curse. I’m trying to tell her that my child and I prayed this curse away in around 2019. She got really upset with me, told me that I don’t understand and told me that she wasn’t gonna let me ruin her Sunday and hasn’t talked to me in a week now. Thing is, I really don’t mind because of how negative she always is and how she’s shown herself to me to be very, very narcissistic and manipulative and seems to be delighted when I’m upset rather being delighted when I’m happy. I wish it were different but I’ve learned that people who don’t feel they have a problem will not change. This movie is very interesting and I’m glad to have found your channel. You both have excellent speaking voices and the way this video was edited was perfect. Im happy to be aboard this movie interpretation journey with you as I love movie analogy.
Thank you so much and we are glad our fan theory touched you. I'm so sorry to hear about the strife going on in your life. I am hopeful that there will be a resolution soon and all will remain peaceful. Take care! :-)
Only recently came across "Eve's Bayou" and find it to be a beautifully made and really excellent film. In my post-viewing obsession, I must have watched all the RUclipsr commentary on the film and including yours. (I realize this is an old upload but c'est la vie.) What's most interesting to me is how it seems almost universal that youtubers interpret the father's letter as a profession of innocence, when in fact may just as easily be interpreted as a confession to wrongdoing. Louis's language in the letter is a master class in manipulation, of misdirection, and casting of blame onto others, with the only real direct admission by Louis cast as innocent wrongdoing: "I allowed her to adore me." The truth of what happened between Louis and Cicely lies between the lines and throughout the scenes of the film. Louis first blames his sister for her suspicions of his possible impropriety, then points to his daughter for her crossing the line, all while admitting her was lying in wait for her to come to him. Setting aside the fact that the director's cut far more heavily implies impropriety between father and Cicely, the actual language of the letter itself never diretly claims that nothing happened between Louis and Cicely. There is so much that could be said about that few lines Louis wrote his sister. Nearly every line points the finger at someone else and makes apologies that seem disproportionate to the confessed to crime... It should be telling that Louis closes out the letter with, “I would put her to bed with the boundaries between us intact. I love her more than my life. I hope that one day she can forgive me. I felt that I could betray her again by telling you or Roslyn. Forgive me..." So much forgiveness being asked for simple adoration? Or is it because he put Cicely to bed and broke the boundaries between them? A lot of focus has been placed on the difference between the movie opener and the change at the end, when Eve no longer takes responsibility for her father's death. But perhaps it's the repeated lines that are unchanged that are most important to telling us what the movie is actually about: "Memory is a selection of images, some elusive... others printed indelibly on the brain. Each image is like a thread, each thread woven together to make a tapestry of intricate texture. And the tapestry tells a story... and the story is our past." So maybe "Eve's Bayou" might also have been titled "What happened the summer I was 10." Yeah, that's not as catchy...
Actually other creators have suggested that the father did the unthinkable. Honestly, I don't understand the obsession with wanting to conclude this. As far as the words at the end of the film that remain the same, the meaning seems obvious to me. Of course, this is art and people can conclude whatever they like, regardless of whether there's evidence to fully it' support it in the film.
It is amazing the excellent ability you have to break this moving down. Oh my! I would have fallen asleep by now, but it is amazing how talented you are in analyzing everything in such great detail.
Pineapple thief. Great video. I really enjoyed this. You guys did an amazing job breaking down these theories. Love the content, looking forward to the next one.
😆 Believe me, during editing, I too wished it wasn't as long! 😂 Thanks so much for hanging in there and watching the whole video! We appreciate the support and are glad you liked it!
Pineapple Thief ! What an interesting take on Eve’s Bayou - Just so you guys know twenty dollars in 1962 was about 200.00 dollars - One dollar was equal to ten bucks.
Looking at this, I feel like I'm Eve right down to being introspective and inquisitive about life, family, etc. My older sis was very much like Cisely, a daddy's girl while I was too sassy at times with how I addressed sensitive matters with our mother. Ironically, this movie came out when I was 12 and my sis was 15 during the time our parents separated so this movie always has a special place in my heart and childhood. Great review of this iconic film. You all vocalized what I had thought for a long time. So many layers of the story and curses that led to Louis' demise.
Pineapple thef... Awesome video amazing!!!! And i totally agree... 2 things. My family is Saint Lucian and Haitian derived from the imo states of Biafra. We are Creole and though i was raised in Chicago a heavy bulk of my family is still in The Caribbean, but also in the south, Baton Rouge Louisiana and Parts of Florida. This film is one of my favorites because it is soooo precise in Creole Culture and the folklore references is astounding. One thing to pay attention to is Moselle and Eve's hair and likeness... The color and texture is identical... In folklore rooting back via ancient Egypt... The Spiritualist or in layman's terms, witches are generational, and they are always marked with red or auburn hair... Moselle and Eve's hair was similar in color and texture. Also... Moselle mentored Eve because she knew Eve was the one, hints why she spoke to her so vividly about things... I bet even before Madam Elzora's hair turned fully grey... it was also an Auburn color. Now theoretically speaking, i agree it's a generational curse and it is rooted between Their... Lewis and Moselle's Mother, and Madame Elzora... Their Father isn't around and perhaps because like Father like Son... Dad Baptiste... was a man around town, and he came across a real one, Elzora who fell in love with him but He.... Dad Baptiste... went back to his wife which caused the chains of reactions from a curse by Madame Elzora. While telling Roz's fortune she spoke candidly... Every soldier falls on his own sword... Notice Madame Elzora didn't have an issue with Roz... But when Moselle came the resentment was certain.... Also i believe that Julian broke the curse because remember Moselle couldn't look into her other Husbands, but she clearly was able to read Julian. Julian actually broke the curse, if not i wouldn't worry about Eve or Cisely, i would worry about little Brother Poe... Because the Baptiste men seem to reactively be the demising factor of this curse, starting with Dad Baptiste... hints how Elzora said... buried down there with the other Baptiste... So if i was Eve or Moselle i would attempt to read Poe and see if they actually could. Moselle Read Julian so i believe he's the one... And... Madame Elzora and Papa Baptiste... ding ding dong... Love affair gone bad... Papa Baptiste fell on his own sword.... Like Father, Like Son... i bet you Like her Husbands, she couldn't read her brother either, otherwise she wouldn't have had to make those assumptions about him and Cisely, she would have simply been able to read him. But most likely.... She couldn't.
I love this movie, it is one that you can just sink deeper and deeper into. It is beautful and brillant! Thanks for offering an even deeper dive into its complexities.
I watched this movie for the first time with my nana at the age of 5 or 6 I never understood what was going on I just knew the dad was cheating and then he died. I never had the chance to watch it again so watching this video at the age of almost 20 was needed. Glad I understand the story now bc even at the age of 5 I could tell it was a good film.
PINEAPPLE THIEF!! What an incredible assessment of this film… watched it first at 14 and found it to be so underrated . This review was so thought out and well executed , that I became an instant subscriber to your account. Bravo 👏🏽 Side note : Kasi Lemmons is criminally underrated 💥
Glad you enjoyed it, and we appreciate you watching this really long video! This really was an excellent film that people don't talk about much today... sadly.
@@AxiomAmnesia of course, I’m so proud of you guys and I’m so glad this popped up on my feed… I’ll definitely be supporting. I also hate that’s it’s barely ever mentioned, it’s black cinema at it’s best! It always bothered me that I didn’t hear as much buzz as I would’ve liked, but given the comments and your brilliant review; I’m glad that people were/are still intrigued by this film. Cheers 🥂
One of my mother's favorite movies of all time next to Tombstone. Eve is just a Pineapple Thief that's not stealing regular apples. So my apple pies are safe from any curse :D
OMG the way y’all broke this down has me shooketh. Eve’s Bayou has been a classic in my family since I was an adolescent, and I’m telling you, y’all just rewired my understanding of this movie. Wow
🍍thief! Okay so a few things…I think perception and memory play a part in this movie. Everything in a sense is left to perception and memory. Mozelle and her psychic abilities seem to be the key. Mozelle saw Louis die long before Eve set out to put the so called “curse” on her dad. Elzora said sometimes a soldier falls on his own sword before the “curse” was done as well and even before Mozelle has the vision and faints. Cisely came onto her dad for sure but what happened after that is unclear. Cisely lied to Eve about what Eve caught her dad doing during the party. She gaslit her…and Louis lies about everything and GASLIGHTS EVERYONE. I don’t think it was meant to be clear if Cisely was telling the truth or Louis. Louis was cheating with different women and continued to even after he saw how it was affecting his family. Something was bound to happen. I think Eve being young blamed herself until she got older and realized her dad created his own demise. Had he not been cheating with Maddie, he wouldn’t have died at the hands of Maddie’s husband. As far as Elzora, she asks a lot of questions to Eve about Mozelle for someone who placed a curse on her. She seems to be validating the whispers in the town. I think it was hostility because they were in the same line of business…. Not because Elzora placed the curse on Mozelle. Also the Baptiste’s seemed popular and well known. That could cause for others to be envious for whatever reason. Also Mozelle alludes to her and Louis being alike….. maybe the difference is her men die because of her actions but Louis died because of his action. Hopefully that makes sense…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Just a gentle reminder that this is a fan theory. We already fully understand the traditional or common interpretation on the film. That was necessary in order to to craft an interesting fan theory. Consequently, I wouldn't argue with most of what you've said. What you're talking about is the traditional interpretation. What we are describing in this video is a fan theory or alternate interpretation of the film. While there is SOME overlap in the breakdown we did, there are points where our fan theory significantly departs from the traditional interpretation. Based on your comment, I'm not so sure this was clear to you. Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel. 😊
@@AxiomAmnesia I LOVE the fan theory presented by you guys and more so was commenting my own thoughts on the film. Your video made me think and rewatch the movie yesterday after originally seeing this video. I came back tonight and watched this a second time before writing my comment. I see a lot of people have mixed thoughts and theories on this movie. Others may see my comment and totally disagree with everything. Definitely was not trying to come off like the person who wrote/directed it, told me exactly what they were trying to convey… just was sharing my own thoughts and opinions. Again, I LOVEEEEEE the fan theory you guys came up with and it opened me up to view the movie again and question my own thoughts 🤍
Oh I didn't take it negatively, it's just that some people miss that this is a fan theory. I really enjoy these conversations about the movies we all love. In terms of the differing opinions, I think some folks are not looking at this work of fiction as a literary work... Everything you explained in your comment makes sense, which is why I had zero arguments with it. One thing I always like to see is supporting evidence from the film and good logical deduction when making claims. You've done excellently with that. ❤️
Wow this was a great analogy of the movie. I always loved this movie and still do. It's on Tubi movie app and I keep watching it over and over trying to break it down. I wanted to compare my analogy watching it as a teenager to now as an adult. At the end of the movie when Eve tries to read Cisely and all she has is a memory of being slapped goes back to the beginning of the movie when adult Eve is explaining how "memory is a selection of images, some elusive and some printed indelibly in our brains" Amazing how some things we remember and some we don't and some memory slections may change due to trauma. I do believe the family was cursed but Louis met an early demise due to Eve visiting the witch doctor, who was all to happy to do the spell work because she seemed to have a personal issue with Mozelle (thinking Eve wanted the spell for Mozelle at first then gets disappointed when she learns the spell is not for her). Most likely Mozelle slept with Elzora's husband in the past, unbeknown to Mozelle. Again great video💞
@@AxiomAmnesia probably the guilt from slapping her. I don’t think the previous commenter knows that what was assumed to have happened actually didn’t. So many ppl missed the clues & walked away thinking the father molested Ciceley.
I’m loving this break down I’m definitely subscribing and pineapple theft. I have a few theories of my own tho. I think the curse is tied to infidelity/betrayal of one’s family, there’s a good chance that their ancestor had a slave husband and that the initial affairs with her master was forced but she grew to love him and when he gave her the land she left her husband behind leading to him possibly having Elzoras ancestor curse her explaining how she knew mozelle was cursed before she even sat down, the men in the family are doom to die if they cheat and the women lose their husbands if they cheat. As far as Cecile account of what happened I think that kiss was the first time something like that had ever happened due to the way she pulled away from him also if you look at the cinematography of the scene the room was dark and when she hit the floor the lighting illuminated her face I think he thought she was her mother, the look on his face when the lighting struck was one of regret and it was the same when he chased her it wasn’t a predatory one. Cecile is at an age where she doesn’t get the same type of affection as she used to which is way whenever her father showed Eve that type of affection she looked jealous. With her mother I think she blames her for him being away all the time she can sense the tension in their relationship and because it looks like the mother does the disciplining she fully blames her seeing that all of her memories of him up to that point were all good which is why she always went out of her way to make him feel welcomed/ had someone in the house that had his back. The break down she has is after she hears them arguing and bring up her name so she distances herself from them because she’s been fully blaming her mother this whole time and she’s now putting more of that on herself she may also have mixed feelings about the kiss itself leaving her to think that if maybe she accepted it things would have went better and to top it off she gets her period signifying that she officially no longer a girl she’s now a woman, even though she acts mature I think she misses being a kid because her parents relationship was a lot better but his account makes more sense he never acted weird with her and if she did see him as a husband she your theory on her being cursed would make sense be she feels like he’s cheating on her, the movie did a good job of leaving the interpretation to the viewer. I don’t think eves to blame for the death I think she was just apart of the curse. Eve catching him really sets everything into motion forcing him to face his lust/infidelity whether you think he himself was cursed or his daughter was cursed and he was at the mercy of her misguided love for him in a weird place between adolescence and childhood.
I agree with this theory. This is a movie I watched and studied for years. It's my belief that the curse was between the original Eve ( the one that nursed Mr Baptiste back to health) and Mr Baptiste wife. Although its not mentioned that Mr Baptiste had a wife. Its not likely that a man of wealth would be single. In the very beginning of the movie they tell the story of Eve and Mr Baptiste. They speak of how he was so grateful for her healing him he gave her the land. And then they say, we are the descents of EVE & Mr Baptiste. Meaning not only did she heal him, she bared 16 of his children. Thus, leads me to believe the original curse was placed on the first Eve. In my mind there has always been question regarding the relationship between Eve and Mr Baptiste . How do you go from healing to having 16 kids. A slave which he freed and gave land to. I believe El Zora is a descendant of the first wife of Mr Baptiste first family. The venom El Zora has for the Baptiste family is deep. The fact she also has a gift in such a small town leads me to believe they share the same bloodline. The fact that both lil Eve father and aunt are philandering leads me to believe that behavior is generational. Hence Mr Baptiste having children with the woman who heald him. These are just my conclusions. Because there are so many unanswered questions! #pineapplethief Great Analysis, I really enjoyed it!
Not only is this one of the best fan theories that I've ever had the privilege of hearing, you did an amazing job with keeping a video of this length engaging. In other words, I just subscribed
Thanks so much for this kind feedback Autumn! We appreciate you watching this really long video! :-)
I definitely had to subscribe as well. 😂 This video was amazing, talented, interesting, formative, and it was a really interesting perspective. 💯👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Should stop watching open door for demons to come into your life repent
Agreed!! Deep and I enjoyed EVERY minute of it!! 👀🥰🎬🎊🍿
@@AxiomAmnesia you
I think Moselle slept with someone else’s husband and got ab curse put on her. That’s why she kept saying her and her Brother were one in the same!🤷🏿♀️
I thought that.. i also wondered if Their Mother was a Mistress & if the wife of the man she slept & had kids with is ElZora.. 🤡😭.. And thats why Elzora cursed them..and thats a part of the whisperings of side babies & that lingering of 'secret families' & the potential of being abandoned for them.. I think the reason why thee side baby convo was only sprinkled in, is to create symbolism for the 'Family Secrets' of the Baptiste Family/Black People as a collective..
Juss my theory 😁..
There was definitely a pathology of infidelity & lust/temptation
yessssss I totally agree I believe Mozelle was cursed by somebody’s wife for sleeping with their husband and her mother was maybe cursed too probably by elzora like u said
My exact thought
The girls are mirrors of the older women. Cecily = The Mother and Eve = Mozelle
Good observation
Yep.
Just like all families. It's just a continously cycle of the same crap
That would explain similarities.
I think this theory was interesting and well thought out because No I don’t believe it was eve that killed louis but I also don’t believe it was moselles curse either. In my opinion, Louis attitude is what got him killed. Plain and simple: “ sometimes a soldier falls on his own sword “ and thats honestly what happened…
I agree
Bingo!
It's both. Louis took no accountability. A spell was put on him. When a person is in sin..they are vulnerable to attack even death. Very astute, well acted film. Eye opening.
I concur...it seems brother and sister were cursed with a Jezzabell spirit.
Pineapple Thief
what sticks with me in the end is that this movie realistically portrays exactly how generational curses are passed down to this day: secrets, lies, and selective silence, misunderstandings, deliberate confusion, and shielding young people from truth out of the belief that they won’t understand as much as adults.
Lynn Whitfield, Debbie Morgan, the late great Diahanne Carrol and Samuel Jackson were phenomenal in Eve's Bayou. Cecily was a daddy's girl and her father relished his daughter's adoration not knowing that her pubescent emotions gave her the delusional notion that she could could insert herself in her parents' troubled marriage to replace her mother. Also, Lewis was a doctor with no recognition in the medical profession outside his community. His main clients were lonely women that stroked his ego and then some. He sought this type of adulation to compensate for his limitations as a Black doctor constrained by segregation. So caught up in his need to be validated he fell prone to feeding his inner turmoil by having sexual relations outside his marriage and became very reckless and spiritually blind. Had he not been a narcissist he would have known his relationship with Cecily was entering dangerous territory because she needed her father's love and probably was aware her parents' marriage was troubled and blamed her mother, leading her to believe she could "fix" her father. Louis died a tragic death because he refused to respect the boundaries of another man's boundaries...the wages of sin is death.
Jurnee Smollett is a Hall of Fame level actress.
She was amazing, even as a child actor!
@@AxiomAmnesia she can hold her own along side of Lynn Whitfield,Samuel L. Jackson,Forrest Whittaker,etc ..truly amazing!
And Meagan Good was amazing too! They selected great actors all the way around.
Entertaining Black Man videos, we know. We watched a movie with her in it a couple of weeks ago. She was a great child actor was the point of the comment. Unlike many child actors, she successfully transitioned to being a successful adult actor. The point we were making is that she was great even when she was a child. Just so you understand what we were saying...
Along with Jussie 🙏🏾
The reason Eve apologized when she caught her father in the closet with the woman is because back in those days children were seen and not heard and because she yelled out it was seen as disrespectful by them. In those days kids were not people too like we treat them now so it’s not weird it was customary
Janae, we got that and fully understand southern customs, with families from the South and being Louisiana Creole. That said, the point we were making is the audacity that in the midst of wrongdoing, the innocent child is compelled to come from the position that she was wrong. That was the overarching point and context for that aspect of the discussion.
Oh i totally agree yet, as wrong as they were… I can appreciate Eve’s spirit- children don’t lie so they were BEYOND CALLOUS but the decorum remains with possible threat of corporal punishment. I think that dad rested on the laurels of the fear he knew was involved. Had it been the oldest child that caught them, things would’ve gone differently, I don’t think she would have apologized. Those days were about secrets…. 2022 eyes on decades ago brings a different idea of the action that unravels the past in impossible ways. I’m just glad we’ve learned from a lot of it.
Lol back in those days? You mean the 90s?
@@KayReign dude the movie is set in the 60s...but yes, the sentiment applied to some children of the 90s as well.
@@AxiomAmnesia here’s a good question did Eve later on and avenge her father like 10- etc yrs down the road given that’s traumatic,I’m just saying that’ll be a good question to ask make a video about…
I felt like The Roz had some suspicion that her daughter had took an obsession with her own father which is why she took over waiting for him at night
If you notice not only did Sicily get her hair cut similar to her mother's but her mother usually wears a natural tone lipstick Sisley outright went grown and did Red which back then was only designated to fast women in many circles
😂😂😂😂 so true and got the taste smacked out of her mouth.
Yes red lipstick!! aha
I'm 23, my grandmother still NEVER let's me wear red lipstick
@@treyonay exactly heaven forbid
@@zoraidita2022 Chiiile the scandal
Such an amazing movie. They just don’t care enough to make movies like this anymore.
We need more like this!
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Absolutely! The plot was so simple yet it grabbed our attention and didn’t let go till hours after it was over. Remember when the story mattered? Maybe I’m just getting old? 🤷♀️
I had wondered about the curse when I first watched. Wondered if maybe it were the bayou itself, but others seemed to point to the Baptiste family. Elzora herself implied it went much further back than Mozelle.
I’m sure envy, lust and greed were the culprits. They usually are.
Completely agree…. They lost the love for creating good movies …
Right....
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This movie used to scare my sisters. It always had an authentic vibe to it. Incredible movie and cast. Dope review🔥
Thanks for watching!
Scared me too growing up.
This was my favorite movie as a kid tbh me and my sister favorite
Me too 🫣
I mean any kid should be disturbed there’s death , a girl kissing her own dad which is disgusting
The statement "when my father said goodnight," is a double entendre. Meaning, by him saying goodnight to Maddie, he also said goodnight to his family because he was killed. Which was the tonal fear ultimately.
Both Megan Good and Jurnee Smollet are top tier actors that should recognized for how they really portray their roles
More children should get awards for acting. It’s rarely done.
Watching Eves Bayou as a black Louisiana creole was so refreshing, it’s so nice to see one’s culture being displayed in such an amazing piece of media.
Yesss a proud creole I’m very proud they made a creole movie
As a Creole woman, I love this movie more than I say. I’ve watched it so many times, I could write the entire script by memory. I also love Feast of All Saints. Creole proud! And yes, my family has been doing voodoo for generations. ⚜️
Feast of All Saints is one my my all time favorite movies! This is Cheri. :-)
After reading Feast of All Saints, I got the suspicion that Anne Rice is a white passing Creole. How could she know so much about the culture unless it is her culture.
Out of all of her books I did wonder WHY she chose that subject!
I LOVED FOAS! I saw it as a child and revisited it this year in my 30s and appreciated it so much more!
@@ivymoss7383 …Creole is not a race. Creole is having French, Native and African heritage. Many Creoles also have Cajun heritage. Most old Creole families were in the same phenotypes. Anne Rice is a native-New Orleanian like Ellen de Generes.
I love that movie!! I'm dealing with GENERATIONAL CURSES AND TRAUMAS in my therapy group right now!! People don't understand how GENERATIONAL TRAUMAS EVENTUALLY BECOMING GENERATIONAL CURSES!!
The relationship between Lewis and Cecily always made me uncomfortable. It's normal I think to a certain degree, for a young girl to idolize her father but there was something dark and scary in their interactions that use to make me think more might've been happening between them.
Cissily was manipulating Eve before she lied on her dad, though. She called her rabbit before she lied and said she could never be upset with her but she was always annoyed with Eve when Eve wanted to share her dad's attention with her. Did she even call her rabbit any other time in the movie?
Same
Its a real disorder i learned about in human growth devp. class, its where the child wants to take place of one parent and be with the other parent
The father made her daughters compete one another over him. Older one got confused because he made her a care taker and she was acting as his wife and cared for him emotionally. He made her feel like she is better consultant than her mother. It’s all him not her. Even if she went for an adult kiss, that’s him making her doing that.
@@laphatty1 yes it's is I read about it
There were so many layers to this movie, especially between sisters and parents crossing the line with their own children
I would love to see the story behind the fued with Mozelle and Elzora.
Lewis’s own hubris killed him. Elzora already knew he was going to die and that the family would be better for it. Hence her telling Roz to “look to her children” and things would improve in 3 years. I doubt she actually did the hex. Also, Mozelle did read Eve when they touched hands. She pretended she didn’t get anything because of the startling nature of what she saw. She went on to handle it privately by confronting Lewis. Cicely blamed her mother for the father’s absence and philandering and thought if she could just be the perfect daughter/wife she could save the family. I do believe Lewis was grooming and SA Cicely. Apparently there’s a deleted scene that confirms it but I’ve yet to find the scene.
Just for a bit of context here... This is a fan theory and our fan theories only consider what actually made it to the film, not interviews or deleted scenes.
Fan theory aside, I do appreciate the take that Mozelle was able to read Eve and she pretended not to see it. That's interesting and I like that possible angle. However, she reads Eve after having been the one to comfort Cisely, and it didn't take having the gift of sight to see that Cisely was acting like she was a victim of something. You can see it in the scene and how she witnesses Cisely's response when Louis tries to touch her and see what's going on. Given this blaring clue, I refute the notion that Mozelle actually read Eve. Even with the common interpretation of the film a point was being made by the fact that Mozelle COULDN'T read Eve.
So, I believe Mozelle confronted Louis based on what she directly saw with Cisely's behavior. Also, I do not believe that Louis was grooming her. I completely reject that idea and I think it tempting to latch on to that idea because in 2022 when so much abuse has been uncovered and is spoken about openly, many people see the world through the lens of a predator.
From a literary perspective, it's important to remember that this is a work of fiction, and the implication that Louis did something to Cisely pulls the viewer in and makes the viewer side with Eve that something bad should happen to Louis because of what the viewer believes he did until the very last minute when we discover that it wasn't true.
If we take the approach that Louis did the unthinkable, that completely ruins the genius of the writing. To me this is more evidence that Louis was not grooming Cisely. True, he was a chauvinist pig, but I don't think he did that to his daughter.
@@AxiomAmnesia Cicely was definitely SA'd by her father. The signs were there, bucking up to her mother, always siding with her father. Waiting up late for him. Even emulating her mother somewhat with the lipstick and change of hair style. The long baths she would take. And the blood in her underwear, her shrinking back and away from her family barely speaking. The elektra complex is what we call it. And is the opposite of the odiepius complex. "Daddy's girls" The elekctra complex is where Father and daughter team up against Mother, having inside jokes between each other and making snide remarks to and about Mother. Cicely only ever acted the way she did from the abuse, and because she obviously saw her parents weren't getting along, and mostly blamed her Mother, due to her father's influence. She probably thought her father giving the attention to her would make him stay home more or at least, not leave the family completely. She's angry with her Mother- not only because she's close witn her Dad. But because she feels unprotected by her Mother. Her Mother probably knows or has an inklining the inappropriate relationship between them but won't say or do anything. Cicely feels hopless and obviously still engages to keep her Father's attention at home. But in my opinion. She was definitely SA'd by her father.
Klairel, did you see the part of the video where we mentioned the Elecktra complex? Ant any rate, I understand your opinions. I vehemently disagree about the SA for the reasons I've stated before.
And what about the fact that this is a work of fiction that uses our anger at Louis for what we think he's done to make a big reveal in the end that what we and Eve thought was incorrect? Let's think about this more deeply for a moment.
@@AxiomAmnesia I got up to the 59:48 time stamp. So if you did mention the complex I didn't see. Apologies. But again, just my opinion. Eve's Bayou is one of my favourite films and I watched it a few times and my opinion still stands about Cicely being SA'd by her father. I also think Mozelle saw something when she touched Eve's hands but played it off. Mozelle had the same look she gave Eve after touching her hands, as she did with Elzora's character when Roz was getting a reading.
No worries. That's the beauty of art, I e can interpret it however we choose. Thanks again so much for watching. I know this was a really long video ! 😊
Jurnee, Megan and Debbie Morgan..phenomenal actresses. The whole cast did a great job. Excellent film.
Yes they did!!!
The whole cast is top tier, but Meagan and Jurnee are exceptional, particularly when you keep in mind how young they were.
Pineapple thief. A generational hex. Due to a delusional mix of misplaced love, lust, and jealousy. I believe that elzora had part in the initial generational hex. Louis and moselle did not have a dad in the movie. The curse started with their mom. Moselle took her losses personal, and did not see that it this was happening before her. Eve (jurnee) will be one to break the hex ultimately because she isn’t tied up in herself ( like her aunt and father). She learned early on, how making decisions based off of emotions can lead you blindly to a path of destruction. And she now knows what is happening, ie the wax coffin in the graveyard. So not only can she protect herself, she can restore peace and balance to her bloodline.
I LOVE THIS!!!! Yes! I couldn't agree more. Thanks so much for watching this super long video and weighing in with even more details that make sense with this theory!
@@AxiomAmnesia omg! yall read my super long response! lol Thank you for giving our classics an artistic and nuanced outlook. You guys are my favs!
You're so welcome! ❤️
NO LIES TOLD HERE!!!!
The mother knew what was going on, but culture, society, and maybe fear of losing her financial and social standing and embarrassment to confront it. As a child even won't be as affected by these things. Also she doesn't idolize her father like her mother and sister do. I think that was lost when she saw her father cheating on her mom.
Fun fact the grandmother on this actually played the grandmother on The Cosby Show she played Claire's mother and yes she even spoke French then is she speaking that original traditional Creole only the old folks remember that the Young Folks nowadays don't speak the original Creole language they speak more English
Omg. You are so right. I had never noticed. Wow. Great fun fact.
I think Sicily freaking out because of the blood could be one of two things either this time they're interaction went a little bit too far and her hymen broke pencil of why she didn't want any interaction with her father to know that she's bleeding or she finally realizes the Innocence and the appeal of innocence is gone now she has her period she'll be treated differently by her father all the affections that he gave her would be no more
She was embarrassed because of what she did to him and she slapped her
He was SA her
@@theREALESTrealistUNPOPULAR No.
I watched another video saying she was being groomed by him and it went too far that night. I NEVER saw it that way until then and I just watched it a couple weeks ago. While I don't believe that's what happened, I do see how one could think that.
That is exactly what happened. Otherwise the “period” starting the next day is completely random. Also there is a deleted scene where the disabled uncle saw what happened.
I also think since Moezelle said that she had lovers maybe one of her lovers went to elzora and asked for the curse to be placed
That is quite possible. The Batiste's were doing things that would make people upset with them for sure!
Very good theory 👌🏽 Elzora knew Voodoo tradition it was, Mozelle that went to Elzora for love spell
exactly . now what if elzora was the wife of one of mozelles men && placed the curse on her && the family
@@angyllhazel Interesting! I was thinking that Elzora didn't place the curse on Mozelle, BUT if Mozelle took Elzora's man long ago then I can understand why Elzora did it. However, I don't think so. Why would they not put that in the script? That would make the film more interesting.
@@angyllhazel pineapple thief. That’s what I was wondering but not wife, maybe sister, aunt, cousin. Especially if she was related to the one that was killed by the jealous lover. Like, “since my brother died because of you, you’ll never be happy with anyone.”
When you join forces with the devil, you are cursed. You guys did a good job with this.
Thanks so much! 😊
Thank you, algorithm, for sliding this my way! I've watched this movie MAD times and was always a little confused about the ending (especially with Cicely and the father). This was good!
So glad you found us and enjoyed the video! We appreciate you watching and look forward to hear your thoughts on other movies we've covered! :-)
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I know what you mean. I have it posted somewhere on another site that this is my favorite movie. So glad this review was promoted 🥴🙃🥴🙆🏿♀️🤦🏾♀️
Pineapple thief 😆. I always wondered why Cissly reacted so violently just from having her period. It makes sense that she was abused. When I use to see this movie when I was younger, I was so confused and uncomfortable bc I definitely knew that this was a father and daughter. I guess even as a child you know what’s really up even if you don’t know exactly how to put all these pieces together.
Hey EB and thanks for watching! :-) Did Cisely react violently to getting her period or was this simply a stressful time in her life with the family stresses and reaching puberty? I ask this because I remember when I "became a woman" (maybe TMI but I gotta make my point LOL). I woke up that morning and there "she" was. Even though I had been prepared for what would happen, when it did I felt sad and had mixed feeling about all the changes my body was going through. I'm saying this to say that there are indeed other explanations for why Cisely would be in a bad mood after beginning menstruation--and that's without all the stress she was going through.
She wasn’t sa - watch Mozelle’s reaction to Eve when she tells her about the drowning woman dream. Mozelle normally has a close relationship with Eve but at that last scene, she distanced herself from Eve.
I have never watched this movie. Don’t know why, it always kind of gave me a weird feeling like the movie “Beloved” that I never really sat down and watched. I was excited watching this review because I felt it would give me understanding and interest to the movie and this review did that and more! This was AWESOME, and left me very excited to sit and watch this movie later today.
Thanks!
The last scene where eve opens her hands to Cicely and she didn't have any memory besides getting hit goes to show that the threat Mo made to Eve earlier in the film was possible She was slapped blind . Amazing review of the movie and great trip down memory lane thanks for the experience!!!!
You're welcome!
Mozelle walking into the mirror was my favorite scene
Darius that was excellent cinematography!
I agree it was nicely done.
I’m thinking that Elzora cursed Mozel because she probably slept with her husband seeing as how she was so promiscuous and she keeps saying that her and her brother are 2 of a kind
Honestly, I am thinking that. Moz is beautiful and I wouldn’t be shocked if she took a man away from her
Ohhhhhhhhhh, that’s probably right. I never thought about that.
I honestly think the women of that family is cursed. If Cicely’s father didn’t SA her then what are the odd of you having child that is sexually attracted to her own father…
@@tiffanymarie413 Elzora is also beautiful
Very likely.....
I have to disagree I don’t think Mozel’s curse effected him. Elzora definitely cursed Mozel but what really killed Lewis was his meddling child. Elzora told her mama to watch over the kids aka “your child gone run her mouth to the wrong person and come to me for help on killing your husband if you don’t keep watch”
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Most gifted seers can see ahead for other people but it’s oftentimes difficult for us to see certain things for ourselves ❤
In Mozelles defense…after she learned the truth about her rolling stone brother from her niece….in that moment she was shook and she forgot that Eve was a child. So the conversation about past lovers with Eve was very inappropriate but considering Eves revelation about her brother, Mozelle was not thinking about anybody in that moment….she was just trying to make sense out of the whole thing and used herself as a way to put her mind at ease.
I hear you on that! Actually, Mozelle was always daydreaming while she was engaging with Eve. She did this the night she tried to read Eve on the porch too! Maybe this happens because she is visited by spirits a lot.
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@@AxiomAmnesia Mozelles monologues are like poetry…she loses herself when she reminisces about the past…it’s definitely daydreaming. I can’t even begin to tell you how much I can relate to this movie..it’s really autobiographical minus the cringey molestation stuff😂. The way I’ve adopted ‘And they were rubbing’ into my vocabulary always leaves people tickled.😂 I am the descendant of Eve and John Baptiste….except I wasn’t named for her.
@@voodeux_badeux Yes! I couldn't agree more!
@@AxiomAmnesia she actually said it on the balcony with Eve...she said and I quote...'I almost forgot you were there!'...#boom
Pineapple Thief. I enjoyed the theory.I love this movie. I think that Mozelle did read Eve. That’s how she knew what happened between Louis and Cicely. That’s why Mozelle confronted Louis. Also, I think when Eve read Cicely, she saw what really happened . I think Cicely felt bad later because she initiated it ,then came to her senses later. Of course she was hurt because he hit her and rejected her.
I would love for someone to make a past and future movie about what happened
I like that the film is open to our different interpretations. That's part of the beauty of art. Whatever you get out of it is what happened. The same with music lyrics and even the Bible.
That would be amazing!!!
If you notice the contrast of her sleeping attire when she had her ponytail she had pants she had a jacket in this scene where she sneaking to meet up with her father she has a gown more like a bridal attire sleepwear
So, who bought that for her in the first place?
@@DocStewie77 she did when she went to get her hair done and went shopping
I actually think Elzora was targeting Mozel and intentionally killing her husbands. That line about burying the wax coffin where all the other family members were can be interpreted this way. I think Eve gave Elzora enough info to give Elzora the impression that Eve's dad was abusing one of the kids, warranting her casting a spell to kill him also (Elzora was the gun, Eve pulled the trigger). If Mozel and here brother are so much alike, then Mozel likely needs to feel big too. Elzora was competition in terms of "gifting". Mozel may have been intentionally persuading people away from Elzora. And Mozel's head is so big, it never crosses her mind in all her voodoo expertise, that "mom and pop shop" Elzora was the cause of all her pain. I also think Eve is rewriting her memories by the end as she can't bear the thought of knowing she had a hand in killing her bad based on inconclusive information (sister's confusion/dad's version of the story-Eve doesn't actually get the truth, but it's too late).
I sort of feel bothered that they put that letter in the lake in the end. I feel like there is so much confusion and their mother needed that last word from the father. Where he was finally honest, confronted an issue, and remorseful. Also, so that the mother wouldn't go to her own death believing that her husband would actually harm his daughter in that way.
Me too!
I haven't seen this movie in a while but I don't remember Roz ever finding out about that situation. She thought it was about what she did.
@@Gigglingsiren The father mentioned in the letter that she seemed to wonder if he did something to their daughter and he said he would never harm his most precious child. Roz wasn't 100% sure something happened but she did question it. Honestly, I can see other mothers wondering as well given Cicily's behavior almost like a grown woman competing with her own mother for her father.
@@happygolucky8869 Oh ok. I think I might rewatch this over the weekend.
The mother never suspected it. All she knew was he was a cheat.
I believe some people are walking around in generational curses and don't know it.
Pineapple thief. This was a great video. You opened my eyes about the generational curse in the family. I wonder when the curse started. In the intro of the movie the original Eve saved the white plantation owner and she bore children with him. What if that's when it started. Someone was jealous of this black creole family who inherited land from their white ancestor or maybe angry because to the OG Eve saved him. Also I see the symbol of Eve and the apple religion throughout the movie. Example: When Eve talks to Mr. Monroe at the market, she told him she was looking for apples. But then hints at some knowledge about her dad and Mattie's affair.
I'm the bible Eve ate from the fruit of knowledge which she gave to Adam, that eventually caused mankind to be cursed. Such knowledge comes at a price. In the movie the women in the Baptiste family have the gift of foresight, this comes at a cost because they become widows.
Thanks for watching Joy. It could be that the curse started with the elder Eve. There are so many possibilities!
I love this!
The beauty of the actors and the cinematography is so elegant and mesmerizing...one of my favorite movies to use when I'm giving examples of posh and lavish living during the 50's and 60's.
I really enjoyed the breakdown/assessment of pivotal scenes. I've always thought that Elzora only took Eve's money, but didn't do anything specifically to cause Lewis' demise, she just knew that he'd meet his fate because of his own careless ways. Now, after listening to your interpretation, I still think she didn't do anything specifically to cause his death in this instance, but maybe because his fate and that of the Batiste's were already written, perhaps generations ago.
Hi Michele! Thanks for watching. Yes, I agree with you, as I mentioned in the video, that Elzora didn't do anything with the money Eve gave because she didn't need to. She knew Louis was already gonna be dead.
I completely agree!
Pineapple thief I really would like a sequel to this movie. I would love to see Cecily and Eve all grown up.
Yes!!!! An opportunity to see a meghan Goode and Jurnee together again
I think this story encapsulates the power of denial more than anything. In the end, Eve & Cisely destroy their dad's letter to absolve themselves of the guilt that they helped kill their father. Just like when Mozelle reacted so strongly to Elzora's fortune, because she didn't want to believe what she already knew to be true. Like her brother, she was too narcissistic to see that her sins caused the trauma in her life. The witch had nothing to do with Louis death or any curse, she was just messing with Eve & probably never liked the family. Louis pride got him killed with his drinking, cheating, & lack thereof parenting. The children were collateral by default, specifically with Cisely trying to take the place of her own mother/Eve being influenced by her favorite aunt & taking up magic when she had no business dabbing in that stuff. Mozelle's visions are basically speculation, not entirely accurate. Same when Eve read her sister's palms, she only read Cisely's "perception" of events with her father, not what really happened. Kind of ties into the theme from the beginning when Cisely tells Eve what she "thought she saw" when she witnessed her dad's affair with Matty. Hence Cisely's own form of denial.
The way y’all broke it down was nothing short of phenomenal! I love this perspective and it makes so much sense. Now I have to go rewatch the movie and look at at the clues. Good work you guys! #PineappleThief
Thannk you so much and we appreciate you taking the time to watch! :-)
I always thought Moselle could read Eve but she didn't like what she saw so she pretended she didn't see anything. She saw the kiss didn't want to believe her brother would do something like that.
You mean Sicily.
@@Cashffirmations they’re referring to when moselle asked to see eve’s hand so she could see what was wrong with Cecily
Well Mozelle was asking for Eve's hand to see who she wanted to kill with voodoo. Eve refuse to say why she wanted to know how to kill, then Mozelle tried to read her to see what she was hiding.
@@AxiomAmnesia you are so right I need to rewatch!!
Yes, she could read her (and she did in that moment). Remember at the end, the content of the unsent letter Louis writes to Mozelle is an attempt at explaining the incident and he stated that he was hurt that Mozelle would go that far to accuse him of assaulting his daughter. No one else would have revealed this incident to Mozelle. Eve definitely kept her word and Cicily was already out of town. She got the information from that reading but just pretended not to, to keep it a secret and to perhaps lessen the burden of truth and shame, mirroring how when Eve told her about the affair with Maddy, she threatened her to keep it quiet. You could see the shock on her face when she found out.
Pineapple thief 😂 this really was one of my favs growing up and that line has always stuck with me. I really liked this break down because I never believed it was Eve's fault that her Dad died. He was really his own undoing.
I love the way you guys break down your theories. Makes me want to rewatch each movie that you cover
Really interesting theory! I love Eve’s Bayou, filmed in my home state, and feels so real. Centered around a black creole upper class family, maneuvering through life in a small town, perfect. This movie had so many layers, I wish it was a novel!
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Maybe one of Moselle's lovers was one of Zoras. Or maybe its a "First born" or "First Daughter" curse. Maybe their father was one of Zoras lovers. Or Zora and Moselle grew up together and know each other more than what we saw
That'll definitely be a good idea for a part 2.. the way they mean mugging each other at the carnival made me wonder the same.. maybe they viewed one another as competition 🤷🏾♀️
@@AlwaysInAMudfuckamouth96 those were definitely the vibes i was getting
Cicely and her father both told the truth. she kissed him first because they both said it happened. Just an innocent sugar kiss as old people called it. The rest is an awkward moment. Simultaneously they both went in for second kiss. Most likely a good night kiss. We know she waits up for her dad at night. This is their form of intimacy. So assumed this is the routine. However because louis was drunk and Cicely hair was cut like her mom's I think for a hot second he forgot this isn't Ross this my daughter. On Cicely side she felt the change in the nature of the kiss and got scared. All this happened at once. They both had a wtf moment. They both felt violated by the other. Which is why she fought him and he slapped her. They both went into defense mode. He slapped her in fear not cause he was trying to rape her. I believe this symbolized the end of Cicely seeing her dad the way Ross once saw her husband. Enchanted that he could heal and fix things. Only to find out he is just a man. And I believe in this moment, the wtf moment resprented the breakdown between father and daughter. I don't think he was grooming her. She was just the child that was the most like Ross. Maybe Ross lost herself in the marriage. So he clinged to the kid that most reminded him of his wife when they first met. And Cicely just was a daddy's girl. Representing your first love. I was just like that. You couldn't say ish about my pop! But he tried to make that right. I think that was just misplaced feelings. Had he not been drunk it wouldn't of happened. It was a lapse in lucidness. Definitely some favoritism that could be mistaken for grooming. Her father broke her heart cause he slapped her not the kiss. He never hit the kids which also shows something. He don't fit the bill of a rapist. He's a womanizer though. I don't think going by his character in the movie I have to say no.
Ms True Ty, THIS is the best explanation I've heard this far that the folks who wanna insist Louis did the unthinkable with Cisely should read! I'm so sick of people in these comments trying to say he was grooming her. A WTF moments characterizes it perfectly. Thank you for weighing in in this! 😊
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This is the one!! My thoughts entirely and the most accurate observation in my opinion! I don’t believe at all he was SA-ing her. For many people our first introduction of our love map begins with our parents and how we see them. I believe that Cicely definitely had missplaced and confused feelings for her father. There is an actual word for that too.
@@AxiomAmnesia I completely agree! There’s a woman on RUclips that does very similar reviews and I think her video is the one where people got that idea that Louis was crossing those boundaries. I like some of her videos but often times her theories are a bit extreme in my personal opinion.. but yes this has to be the best comment I have read!
@@Jantis_Atlantis electra complex (female) child opposite for the (male) child is Oedipus complex
Eve knew how to keep her Aunt from reading her mind. That's why all Mozelle heard was Eve's little cry, also why Mozelle stated, " I wont squeeze it out of you" Almost to think Mozelle knew she could get the info if she wanted too. Great review of one of my favorites
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A daughter needs love and validation from her father as she grows into a young woman. I look at their relationship as their “1st boyfriend “. Most likely these daughters will look for or desire their future boyfriends/slash husband like their father. Like maybe look for a lover that mirrors their father (physically/emotionally/character wise). And I notice Cicely is trying to be like her mother and take her place to keep the family together. IMO.
But you can tell her dad was definitely abusing her which is why Cecile felt like that towards him
I don't think that is true Ja Ma.
@@jama3997 naw cicely’s mother was to upset to usher her daughter into womanhood. Cicely wanted to do her mothers job and keep her dad happy. He never saw his daughter other than his daughter. He didn’t help by allowing this behavior tho
Totally agree
Love love love this breakdown! As for the fortune teller I think the film showing her snatch the $20 when she charged $1 is to show that she is money hungry and will do/say whatever to satisfy a client. The fact that she knows the family already could show that her reading wasn’t exactly pure. I also think her at once saying “soldiers die on their own sword “ and then “people speed up their own deaths “ was her saying to Journey that no voodoo is needed to kill someone who has it coming. Furthermore I don’t believe she put any curse on the father at all and was playing in the child’s face saying “is he dead yet?, I made a wax coffin”. She indeed made nothing because she knew it was only a matter of time.
Marvelous breakdown guys!
Thank you so much for watching and thanks for sharing your thoughts. I couldn't agree more! 😊
He cursed himself & family cheating sleeping with different women. The land is cursed as well with evil history of slavery.
I loved the way you both narrated this; I was laughing at some parts because it was so entertaining! This movie is black Hollywood Louisiana style classic! It is so beautiful and well acted and lord the women are so stunning!!! I appreciate the theory but it didn’t really connect the dots for me! I do believe in Clairvoyants but mostly from a foreshadow aspect and yes curses are real but this film showcased people who made really selfish decisions knowing they were jeopardizing the hearts of others and they reaped what they sowed. Did the father really think he could go on sleeping with all of these women, some married, without consequence? Did Moezelle think she could step out on her married husbands with countless lovers without consequence? Somebody needed to sit them down and tell them “Sit your fast asses down and stop blaming your hoeing on curses!” Lol
Your last line made me 😂. Yes, the idea of a consequence for ones actions is clearly the intent of the common interpretation of the film, and that cannot be ignored. The fan theory just looks at the film from another angle. In my mind it's ALL connected... Actions, consequences, interventions, and expectations.
@@AxiomAmnesia Thank you for your reply, love the channel!!! And I can definitely see what you mean it’s all theoretical!
Well said ❤
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Elzora is a very beautiful woman without the paint. All these women in the movie were drop dead gorgeous, Lewis's patients, and even the grandmother. Eve and Sicily we're gorgeous as well.
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There is a big emphasis on "PERHAPS in gratitude, she bore him 16 children"
That one inflection tells so much of the subtext. The family curse starts with the original Eve. Its like people sickeningly romatisizing Sally Hemmings and Jefferson. How much choice and agency is really there? If you think about it for one second obviously not much. And you can follow that curse through the family line as complacency is exchanged for land, a house, social standing and esteem. Everyone labours to maintain the facade and passes on the curse, robbing the next generation of the truth and the ability to make different choices. It is shortsighted selfishness disguised as safety.
But Mozelle does read Eve. I believe she doesn’t see everything which Eve thinks she knows but that’s because she freaks out at the little she does see and abruptly pulls away. But she did see some of the events according to Eve’s knowledge. That is why later in Louis’s letter, he expresses how hurt he is that Mozelle could ever approach and ask if he did this horrible thing to Cisely. He makes a point of acknowledging that he’s been running around chasing tail but that she could ever think he’d hurt his daughter in such an awful is shocking to him. Why bring up his womanizing ways if she only asked about the slap? Plus, he denies having ever done the thing she’s asking about. Well, he did in fact slap her. That’s confirmed later. He’s denying inappropriately kissing his daughter. Mozelle was never told this story. Mozelle read Eve very well.
That's not how I interpreted it. When she tried to read Eve, she got blocked in a nasty way--she wasn't expecting this and that's why I believe she was startled. I believe that Mozelle's accusations against Louis came directly from her own observations of Cisely when she was in her bedroom and Louis came in to check on her and she rejected him. Mozelle tries to read Eve after having been the one to comfort Cisely, and it didn't take having the gift of sight to see that Cisely was acting like she was a victim of something. You can see it in the scene and how she witnesses Cisely's response when Louis tries to touch her and see what's going on. Given this blaring clue, I refute the notion that Mozelle actually read Eve. Even with the common interpretation of the film a point was being made by the fact that Mozelle COULDN'T read Eve.
So, I believe Mozelle confronted Louis based on what she directly saw with Cisely's behavior. Also, I do not believe that Louis was inappropriate with her. I completely reject that idea and I think it tempting to latch on to that idea because in 2022 when so much abuse has been uncovered and is spoken about openly, many people see the world through the lens of a predator.
From a literary perspective, it's important to remember that this is a work of fiction, and the implication that Louis did something to Cisely pulls the viewer in and makes the viewer side with Eve that something bad should happen to Louis because of what the viewer believes he did until the very last minute when we discover that it wasn't true.
If we take the approach that Louis actually did the unthinkable, that completely ruins the genius of the writing. To me this is more evidence that Louis was not inappropriate with Cisely. True, he was a chauvinist pig, but I don't think he did that to his daughter.
And, in fact Cisely WAS the victim of being backhanded by both her mother and father in the face on the same day. That would have devastated any young lady who had never been chastised in such a way.
@@AxiomAmnesia so how do you explain the bloody Panties?
She started her period. Any menstruating woman/girl has had blood in her panties before. C'mon. And the first time you start, you're likely to wake up with it... Mishaps in panties is a NORMAL occurrence throughout a woman/girl's reproductive years.
Correct. As well as it being knocked on as avirgin
Like I said, that's not how I interpret it, and clearly you see it differently. That's the beauty of art. We can each think what we want and not be " wrong".
You guys made me want to rewatch this movie because there was so much that I missed watching it a long time a go. Great review and it gave me a lot to think about :)
You should! So glad you stopped by and thanks for watching!!!
Dang, this movie is deeper than I thought. I've always loved this movie but never thought about it like this. Thank you for this breakdown. New subbie.👍🏾❤️
Generational curses is invited in by the family, Elzora is outside the family bloodline, she could not establish the Batiste’s generational curses.
So no doubt Elzora have her own generational curses going on, pass down by what her ancestors did. Which affects her to this day. Notice Elzora don’t have a man either.
And that’s not by choice.
This would explain the lack of men in the Batiste family.
Where is the grandmother’s husband? He probably met the same fate.
Eve’s brother is not strong figure but a weak character in the movie.
Which leads me to believe he will met the same fate as the rest of the men in the family.
Basically the great grandmother Batiste was involved in voodoo (that’s how she healed the white slave owner) and that’s how the family curses begin.
In this movie the generational curses affect the female and male family members differently.
The women couldn’t keep a man.
The men all died young.
The daughters developed an unnatural attraction to their dad.
So being from Louisiana, y’all better check that bloodline for ‘em curses.
It’s real.
For instance, my great aunt have 8 girls and 4 boys. Only 2 out of the 12 are married.
That’s not normal for us country older folks.
U better believe that’s a generational curses.
Pineapple thief...so glad I found this page. This was a great analysis and it's definitely giving a cursed family of powerful women who lose the men connected to them even the ones in their family. I also feel that's why Louis is so beloved in the family. He's been the only man to survive until his death. And now the younger brother becomes the only living man in the family
Thanks for watching and so glad you found us too! I really hope little Poe was destined to avoid all the drama and heartbreak that the rest of his family went through. ❤️
Glad yall did this movie, always had a erie vibe....my aunt use to be scared of this movie, to this day she won't watch it ... we like 9 years apart age wise but I use to like the movie even tho I never understood it ..I'm grown now and needa rewatch it
Pineapple thief being from Louisiana this was one of my favorites because it reminds me of my grandmother and her stories. Your theory is spot on.
Cool. What part? Do you like Skeleton Key?
@@AxiomAmnesia oh yes love it .
I remember I saw this movie when I was about 11. I instantly could relate to this story too. A lot of families can relate to this story of generational curses, cheating, additional children from outside marriages and relationships too. There was a lot in this family secrets we all could relate to it past stories and more.
I agree one hundred percent that Mozelle's generational curse is what got her brother killed. Eve's Bayou challenges you and at the same time forces you to think of some families that are very dysdunctional and cursed, incest and other unspeakable acts. There can never be a film relative to Eve's Bayou that intrigues me as Eve's Bayou has. No other film can better tell a relative story that Eve's Bayou hasn't already told.
Brilliantly done. I watched this movie a long time ago and was confused and never gave it a second try. After your video I will certainly watch it again.
Give the movie another chance. It was an amazing film! Thanks for watching! 😊
@@AxiomAmnesia You are welcome. i will watch it again. BTW pineapple thief 😊
I love the theory you guys explained! Also I do want to add that some of the consequences within the movie had dealings with karma too
Thank you!!!
Definitely a classic. I remember watching my mom and grandma watch this movie and being so bored. And watching the men get out of dodge when it came on. My mom said wait until you grow up you’ll understand why.
I believe Mozell's solution was to comfort the distraught auntie with a mojo bag. Such a lovely memory for me. What insightful, articulate narration. So proud of you both, in a smiling 'tante' sort of way...
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The key statement was when Elzora said "It will always be that way." Truly let's u know she knew everything about the curse on the family
Pineapple thief... This was an amazing breakdown and analysis. I haven't seen this movie in a while so I really enjoyed it. I NEVER put it together that the curse would affect Cisely. I only considered Eve. They even made her character's appearance look similar to Mozelle. Your theory makes so much sense! I loved it!
Thanks so much and glad you enjoyed it!😊
This is one of those movies I will never forget. It's a masterpiece.
I don’t think it was a coincidence that Moselle said she was barren and then the child got hit. There has to be some significance behind that.
Great breakdown! I’m a transplant to New Orleans and I love everything about the culture and the mysticism of the city and these swampy stories. It’s also one of my favorite movies but I would need more connection to Elzora.
I call one of my students “candy thief” as a reference to “pineapple thief” yes he did steal some candy. 😂
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Pineapple thief. Another little tidbit the song playing in the bar at the end is ‘further on up the road’ by Bobby blue bland. Basically the song is about a guilty party getting their comeuppance later on.
Ohhh that's a great observation Taylor! And thanks for watching this really long video! I think they really took their time with so many details in this film. They did an excellent job.
Thank you so much! Eve's Bayou is one of my all-time favorites, especially to analyze and it's been hard to find people that are just as into it and breaking it down! Dope
I've always personally viewed it as, at the root of it, the family's handling the realization and processing their family dynamic cracking and the girls handling the reality of the secrets being kept differently. I've seen a lot of people say they thought Louis sexually assaulted Cicely, but I think the reason she was so distraught was because she was processing the fact that, in finding out about Lois and Maddie, watching her parents marriage become shaky, she felt like, as the oldest, she felt like playing the role of a mature young woman and try to take on some of her mother's traits, the lines got blurred a bit and she panicked in her confusion. I think Roz was partially right about Sicily resenting her, which would be normal because she's trying to make sense of the situation and how to fix it what, even if it's not their job. I think Sicily hiding herself away in her room was a very important plot point as well. I think that when she started her period, she was still in the mindset that she had to play the perfect woman role to keep her father around the family. I thought she tried to hide that away from him because in her mind, that would mean that she's not perfect anymore and that Louis would divorce the family. I think but Sicily is kind of starting to be a been aware of why she took the course of actions that she did and made the decision to go get help, and to talk to someone to make sense of it. You could tell at the end she was coming to terms a bit with where the lines blurred within her confusion. I think I'm rambling, but I absolutely love this film and the way it portrayed perspective.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on this. The blurred lines and faulty memories make it virtually impossible to say with all certainty what did or didn't happen between father and daughter. It leaves a lot to discuss!
Exactly seven days ago I got into it with my mom because of a discussion we were having about generational curses. She believes that our family down to my brother and I are in fact being affected by this generational curse.
I’m trying to tell her that my child and I prayed this curse away in around 2019. She got really upset with me, told me that I don’t understand and told me that she wasn’t gonna let me ruin her Sunday and hasn’t talked to me in a week now.
Thing is, I really don’t mind because of how negative she always is and how she’s shown herself to me to be very, very narcissistic and manipulative and seems to be delighted when I’m upset rather being delighted when I’m happy.
I wish it were different but I’ve learned that people who don’t feel they have a problem will not change.
This movie is very interesting and I’m glad to have found your channel.
You both have excellent speaking voices and the way this video was edited was perfect. Im happy to be aboard this movie interpretation journey with you as I love movie analogy.
Thank you so much and we are glad our fan theory touched you. I'm so sorry to hear about the strife going on in your life. I am hopeful that there will be a resolution soon and all will remain peaceful. Take care! :-)
This sounds like me and my mom.the only difference is I dont have kids but have been praying against these generational curses.
Only recently came across "Eve's Bayou" and find it to be a beautifully made and really excellent film. In my post-viewing obsession, I must have watched all the RUclipsr commentary on the film and including yours. (I realize this is an old upload but c'est la vie.)
What's most interesting to me is how it seems almost universal that youtubers interpret the father's letter as a profession of innocence, when in fact may just as easily be interpreted as a confession to wrongdoing. Louis's language in the letter is a master class in manipulation, of misdirection, and casting of blame onto others, with the only real direct admission by Louis cast as innocent wrongdoing: "I allowed her to adore me." The truth of what happened between Louis and Cicely lies between the lines and throughout the scenes of the film. Louis first blames his sister for her suspicions of his possible impropriety, then points to his daughter for her crossing the line, all while admitting her was lying in wait for her to come to him.
Setting aside the fact that the director's cut far more heavily implies impropriety between father and Cicely, the actual language of the letter itself never diretly claims that nothing happened between Louis and Cicely. There is so much that could be said about that few lines Louis wrote his sister. Nearly every line points the finger at someone else and makes apologies that seem disproportionate to the confessed to crime... It should be telling that Louis closes out the letter with,
“I would put her to bed with the boundaries between us intact. I love her more than my life. I hope that one day she can forgive me. I felt that I could betray her again by telling you or Roslyn. Forgive me..." So much forgiveness being asked for simple adoration? Or is it because he put Cicely to bed and broke the boundaries between them?
A lot of focus has been placed on the difference between the movie opener and the change at the end, when Eve no longer takes responsibility for her father's death. But perhaps it's the repeated lines that are unchanged that are most important to telling us what the movie is actually about:
"Memory is a selection of images, some elusive... others printed indelibly on the brain. Each image is like a thread, each thread woven together to make a tapestry of intricate texture. And the tapestry tells a story... and the story is our past." So maybe "Eve's Bayou" might also have been titled "What happened the summer I was 10." Yeah, that's not as catchy...
Actually other creators have suggested that the father did the unthinkable. Honestly, I don't understand the obsession with wanting to conclude this. As far as the words at the end of the film that remain the same, the meaning seems obvious to me.
Of course, this is art and people can conclude whatever they like, regardless of whether there's evidence to fully it' support it in the film.
It is amazing the excellent ability you have to break this moving down. Oh my! I would have fallen asleep by now, but it is amazing how talented you are in analyzing everything in such great detail.
Wow, thank you!
Pineapple thief. Great video. I really enjoyed this. You guys did an amazing job breaking down these theories. Love the content, looking forward to the next one.
😆 Believe me, during editing, I too wished it wasn't as long! 😂 Thanks so much for hanging in there and watching the whole video! We appreciate the support and are glad you liked it!
Pineapple Thief ! What an interesting take on Eve’s Bayou - Just so you guys know twenty dollars in 1962 was about 200.00 dollars - One dollar was equal to ten bucks.
Thanks so much for watching and adding the context of the worth of that $20 that Eve stole! They were rich! LOL
Looking at this, I feel like I'm Eve right down to being introspective and inquisitive about life, family, etc. My older sis was very much like Cisely, a daddy's girl while I was too sassy at times with how I addressed sensitive matters with our mother. Ironically, this movie came out when I was 12 and my sis was 15 during the time our parents separated so this movie always has a special place in my heart and childhood. Great review of this iconic film. You all vocalized what I had thought for a long time. So many layers of the story and curses that led to Louis' demise.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. We appreciate you watching! 😊
@@AxiomAmnesia you're very welcome!! Thanks for making me a new subscriber too, lol
Pineapple thef... Awesome video amazing!!!! And i totally agree... 2 things. My family is Saint Lucian and Haitian derived from the imo states of Biafra. We are Creole and though i was raised in Chicago a heavy bulk of my family is still in The Caribbean, but also in the south, Baton Rouge Louisiana and Parts of Florida. This film is one of my favorites because it is soooo precise in Creole Culture and the folklore references is astounding. One thing to pay attention to is Moselle and Eve's hair and likeness... The color and texture is identical... In folklore rooting back via ancient Egypt... The Spiritualist or in layman's terms, witches are generational, and they are always marked with red or auburn hair... Moselle and Eve's hair was similar in color and texture. Also... Moselle mentored Eve because she knew Eve was the one, hints why she spoke to her so vividly about things... I bet even before Madam Elzora's hair turned fully grey... it was also an Auburn color. Now theoretically speaking, i agree it's a generational curse and it is rooted between Their... Lewis and Moselle's Mother, and Madame Elzora... Their Father isn't around and perhaps because like Father like Son... Dad Baptiste... was a man around town, and he came across a real one, Elzora who fell in love with him but He.... Dad Baptiste... went back to his wife which caused the chains of reactions from a curse by Madame Elzora. While telling Roz's fortune she spoke candidly... Every soldier falls on his own sword... Notice Madame Elzora didn't have an issue with Roz... But when Moselle came the resentment was certain.... Also i believe that Julian broke the curse because remember Moselle couldn't look into her other Husbands, but she clearly was able to read Julian. Julian actually broke the curse, if not i wouldn't worry about Eve or Cisely, i would worry about little Brother Poe... Because the Baptiste men seem to reactively be the demising factor of this curse, starting with Dad Baptiste... hints how Elzora said... buried down there with the other Baptiste... So if i was Eve or Moselle i would attempt to read Poe and see if they actually could. Moselle Read Julian so i believe he's the one... And... Madame Elzora and Papa Baptiste... ding ding dong... Love affair gone bad... Papa Baptiste fell on his own sword.... Like Father, Like Son... i bet you Like her Husbands, she couldn't read her brother either, otherwise she wouldn't have had to make those assumptions about him and Cisely, she would have simply been able to read him. But most likely.... She couldn't.
I love this movie, it is one that you can just sink deeper and deeper into. It is beautful and brillant! Thanks for offering an even deeper dive into its complexities.
Our pleasure!
I watched this movie for the first time with my nana at the age of 5 or 6 I never understood what was going on I just knew the dad was cheating and then he died. I never had the chance to watch it again so watching this video at the age of almost 20 was needed. Glad I understand the story now bc even at the age of 5 I could tell it was a good film.
I think it's on Tubi if you want to watch it again
PINEAPPLE THIEF!! What an incredible assessment of this film… watched it first at 14 and found it to be so underrated . This review was so thought out and well executed , that I became an instant subscriber to your account. Bravo 👏🏽
Side note : Kasi Lemmons is criminally underrated 💥
Glad you enjoyed it, and we appreciate you watching this really long video! This really was an excellent film that people don't talk about much today... sadly.
@@AxiomAmnesia of course, I’m so proud of you guys and I’m so glad this popped up on my feed… I’ll definitely be supporting. I also hate that’s it’s barely ever mentioned, it’s black cinema at it’s best! It always bothered me that I didn’t hear as much buzz as I would’ve liked, but given the comments and your brilliant review; I’m glad that people were/are still intrigued by this film. Cheers 🥂
One of my mother's favorite movies of all time next to Tombstone. Eve is just a Pineapple Thief that's not stealing regular apples. So my apple pies are safe from any curse :D
Thank you for watching! 😊
OMG the way y’all broke this down has me shooketh. Eve’s Bayou has been a classic in my family since I was an adolescent, and I’m telling you, y’all just rewired my understanding of this movie. Wow
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🍍thief! Okay so a few things…I think perception and memory play a part in this movie. Everything in a sense is left to perception and memory. Mozelle and her psychic abilities seem to be the key. Mozelle saw Louis die long before Eve set out to put the so called “curse” on her dad. Elzora said sometimes a soldier falls on his own sword before the “curse” was done as well and even before Mozelle has the vision and faints. Cisely came onto her dad for sure but what happened after that is unclear. Cisely lied to Eve about what Eve caught her dad doing during the party. She gaslit her…and Louis lies about everything and GASLIGHTS EVERYONE. I don’t think it was meant to be clear if Cisely was telling the truth or Louis. Louis was cheating with different women and continued to even after he saw how it was affecting his family. Something was bound to happen. I think Eve being young blamed herself until she got older and realized her dad created his own demise. Had he not been cheating with Maddie, he wouldn’t have died at the hands of Maddie’s husband. As far as Elzora, she asks a lot of questions to Eve about Mozelle for someone who placed a curse on her. She seems to be validating the whispers in the town. I think it was hostility because they were in the same line of business…. Not because Elzora placed the curse on Mozelle. Also the Baptiste’s seemed popular and well known. That could cause for others to be envious for whatever reason. Also Mozelle alludes to her and Louis being alike….. maybe the difference is her men die because of her actions but Louis died because of his action. Hopefully that makes sense…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Just a gentle reminder that this is a fan theory. We already fully understand the traditional or common interpretation on the film. That was necessary in order to to craft an interesting fan theory.
Consequently, I wouldn't argue with most of what you've said. What you're talking about is the traditional interpretation. What we are describing in this video is a fan theory or alternate interpretation of the film. While there is SOME overlap in the breakdown we did, there are points where our fan theory significantly departs from the traditional interpretation.
Based on your comment, I'm not so sure this was clear to you. Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel. 😊
@@AxiomAmnesia I LOVE the fan theory presented by you guys and more so was commenting my own thoughts on the film. Your video made me think and rewatch the movie yesterday after originally seeing this video. I came back tonight and watched this a second time before writing my comment. I see a lot of people have mixed thoughts and theories on this movie. Others may see my comment and totally disagree with everything. Definitely was not trying to come off like the person who wrote/directed it, told me exactly what they were trying to convey… just was sharing my own thoughts and opinions. Again, I LOVEEEEEE the fan theory you guys came up with and it opened me up to view the movie again and question my own thoughts 🤍
Oh I didn't take it negatively, it's just that some people miss that this is a fan theory. I really enjoy these conversations about the movies we all love. In terms of the differing opinions, I think some folks are not looking at this work of fiction as a literary work... Everything you explained in your comment makes sense, which is why I had zero arguments with it.
One thing I always like to see is supporting evidence from the film and good logical deduction when making claims. You've done excellently with that. ❤️
Even though it's said to be a lie at the end honestly I do believe that something unsavory was going on behind the scenes between Cecily and Louis
Wow this was a great analogy of the movie. I always loved this movie and still do. It's on Tubi movie app and I keep watching it over and over trying to break it down. I wanted to compare my analogy watching it as a teenager to now as an adult. At the end of the movie when Eve tries to read Cisely and all she has is a memory of being slapped goes back to the beginning of the movie when adult Eve is explaining how "memory is a selection of images, some elusive and some printed indelibly in our brains" Amazing how some things we remember and some we don't and some memory slections may change due to trauma. I do believe the family was cursed but Louis met an early demise due to Eve visiting the witch doctor, who was all to happy to do the spell work because she seemed to have a personal issue with Mozelle (thinking Eve wanted the spell for Mozelle at first then gets disappointed when she learns the spell is not for her). Most likely Mozelle slept with Elzora's husband in the past, unbeknown to Mozelle. Again great video💞
Lewis’s head dropped when Cecily said she wanted to go away is very telling!
Telling what?
@@AxiomAmnesia probably the guilt from slapping her. I don’t think the previous commenter knows that what was assumed to have happened actually didn’t. So many ppl missed the clues & walked away thinking the father molested Ciceley.
@@4GoodandEvil chisely lied before
I’m loving this break down I’m definitely subscribing and pineapple theft. I have a few theories of my own tho. I think the curse is tied to infidelity/betrayal of one’s family, there’s a good chance that their ancestor had a slave husband and that the initial affairs with her master was forced but she grew to love him and when he gave her the land she left her husband behind leading to him possibly having Elzoras ancestor curse her explaining how she knew mozelle was cursed before she even sat down, the men in the family are doom to die if they cheat and the women lose their husbands if they cheat. As far as Cecile account of what happened I think that kiss was the first time something like that had ever happened due to the way she pulled away from him also if you look at the cinematography of the scene the room was dark and when she hit the floor the lighting illuminated her face I think he thought she was her mother, the look on his face when the lighting struck was one of regret and it was the same when he chased her it wasn’t a predatory one. Cecile is at an age where she doesn’t get the same type of affection as she used to which is way whenever her father showed Eve that type of affection she looked jealous. With her mother I think she blames her for him being away all the time she can sense the tension in their relationship and because it looks like the mother does the disciplining she fully blames her seeing that all of her memories of him up to that point were all good which is why she always went out of her way to make him feel welcomed/ had someone in the house that had his back. The break down she has is after she hears them arguing and bring up her name so she distances herself from them because she’s been fully blaming her mother this whole time and she’s now putting more of that on herself she may also have mixed feelings about the kiss itself leaving her to think that if maybe she accepted it things would have went better and to top it off she gets her period signifying that she officially no longer a girl she’s now a woman, even though she acts mature I think she misses being a kid because her parents relationship was a lot better but his account makes more sense he never acted weird with her and if she did see him as a husband she your theory on her being cursed would make sense be she feels like he’s cheating on her, the movie did a good job of leaving the interpretation to the viewer. I don’t think eves to blame for the death I think she was just apart of the curse. Eve catching him really sets everything into motion forcing him to face his lust/infidelity whether you think he himself was cursed or his daughter was cursed and he was at the mercy of her misguided love for him in a weird place between adolescence and childhood.
I agree with this theory. This is a movie I watched and studied for years. It's my belief that the curse was between the original Eve ( the one that nursed Mr Baptiste back to health) and Mr Baptiste wife. Although its not mentioned that Mr Baptiste had a wife. Its not likely that a man of wealth would be single. In the very beginning of the movie they tell the story of Eve and Mr Baptiste. They speak of how he was so grateful for her healing him he gave her the land. And then they say, we are the descents of EVE & Mr Baptiste. Meaning not only did she heal him, she bared 16 of his children. Thus, leads me to believe the original curse was placed on the first Eve. In my mind there has always been question regarding the relationship between Eve and Mr Baptiste . How do you go from healing to having 16 kids. A slave which he freed and gave land to. I believe El Zora is a descendant of the first wife of Mr Baptiste first family. The venom El Zora has for the Baptiste family is deep. The fact she also has a gift in such a small town leads me to believe they share the same bloodline. The fact that both lil Eve father and aunt are philandering leads me to believe that behavior is generational. Hence Mr Baptiste having children with the woman who heald him.
These are just my conclusions. Because there are so many unanswered questions!
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Great Analysis, I really enjoyed it!
I've saw the movie like 6 times and never thought about it this was the review makes alot of sense