Remember that bonus Kimi got for every point when he was at Lotus, kinda drove (pun not intended) them into bankruptcy? Maybe Magnussen gets a similar bonus for every point Hulk scores?
Kevin Magnussen 0:53 Nico Hulkenberg 4:03 Zhou Guanyu 5:15 Valtteri Bottas 7:20 Yuki Tsunoda 8:42 Daniel Ricciardo 10:06 Logan Sargeant 11:35 Alex Albon 13:20 Esteban Ocon 14:59 Pierre Gasly 16:20 Lance Stroll 17:40 Fernando Alonso 18:57 Oscar Piastri 20:10 Lando Norris 22:01 Carlos Sainz 24:22 Charles Leclerc 26:23 George Russell 28:19 Lewis Hamilton 30:26 Sergio Perez 31:54 Max Verstappen 33:34
Zhou was "only" 33 seconds behind Bottas because Stake pitted Bottas for absolutely no reason really late in the race. I think Bottas was 17th? when he pitted. Zhou was like 77 seconds off 19th before that.
ZHOU WAS 36 SECS BEHIND BOTTAS AT 19TH. IT ALMOST HIT 37 SECS! Hey hey ho ho, Zhou Ganyu Must Go! (Message is approved by Rick & Morty! The math must be right or else your screws are not tight! 😆)
Stake pitted both Bottas and Zhou twice each. That means that he was 33 seconds behind his teammate with an equal number of stops. That is the only thing that matters.
This Tsunoda favouritism need to stop. He started P11 and immediately lost places to Hulkenberg and Hamilton. Cooked his soft and medium tyres early that they had to respond by pitting him early. That wasn't a strategy issue. you weren't prepared to give daniel the same grace when he lost sure points in Hungary from an even worser strategy. Tsunoda then couldn't get past Logan sargeant despite the 10 lap tyre advantage, whereas Daniel passed Albon with ease. Daniel also made 4 overtakes, yuki did none. He was NOT performing. Daniel had great tyre management which allowed him to catch up with Magnussen, Albon & Lance towards the end. One more lap he would've even gotten Hulkenberg
I agree that Yukis strategy was pretty awful, but he was 40+ seconds behind Daniel, which is almost 2 pitstops behind. Think there should have been a greater gap in ratings between the 2, particularly with the fans. In what universe could you rate them equally.
You had Lando finishing 22.9 seconds ahead of Max after having taken the lead only on lap 10 or smtg and there is Oscar who couldn't even pass George in the first stint and then fell off to Charles and then couldn't pass him back in a rocketship car with wayyyy more fresher tyres. That's a 5 for me and infact that itself is quite lenient. That guy's been getting wayyyy too much leniency
Bottas gets a 5 for driving well in the worst car on the grid, Piastri gets a 7, despite finishing 3 positions behind his teammate who won the race by 22 seconds? Make it make sense man.
You think someone that finished 19th deserves a higher grade than someone who finished 4th? 7 for Piastri is fine considering where his teammate finished and where he finished
The ratings are not against each other, they're against what I'd call a sliding scale. That said, Piastri deserved a 5. That was average at best all weekend. I think he'd agree. I say this as a McLaren fan and equal fan of both Oscar and Lando.
Yeah he had the tyre advantage and couldnt get past slogan If it was ric he would have gotten a 3 Vcarb basically did the same to yuki that they did to ric in hungary however ric made it back to 12th from 20th
If Sergio Perez, Carlos Sainz or George Russell finished 30 seconds behind their teammate on pure pace whilst their teammate won the race, they get no more than a 4. How has Piastri got a 7?
They hate George and love Lewis. He beat Hamilton in quali and race, and still got the same points.😂 Stroll had the same speed as Alonso, got WAY worse points then Oscar... Bottas beat his teammate by 1 second, 0,5 secs in every lap in race for a 5...
How dare you give Zhou a 2! Bottas only finished ahead of him because he hacked the timing screens so he briefly moved up to 2nd. Zhou totally destroyed him the whole weekend and totally deserves a 10... 😂
These guys keep treating a 7 like a 5. The Mercedes cars and Oscar had okay weekends compared to what is expected of them, not bad performances but not good either
@@CharleetheGiraffe top team bias is big in everyone, and on average the fans tend to judge drivers based on position rather than performance even more than Matt and Tommy, doesn't mean they're right. Scoring points is not an achievement in a Formula A car, but an average race in a Formula A car hands you a 7 while one in a Formula B car scores you a 5 because of it.
Not sure if it was intentional but the ad space being split right before and after the first driver rating is a bit jarring. Cuts the flow of the conversation.
RUclips do it so that we will watch the ad and than continue watching the video whereas before RUclips started doing this ppl would click off the video when an ad came up
I’m usually a big enjoyer in this (still am) but I just can’t ignore the piastri bias. He constantly gets 7/8/9’s even when his performance was pretty mediocre
I think part of it may be because he's only in his 2nd season and stil getting better as a driver whereas Perez is in his 13th season and is an extremely experienced driver. But I agree 7/10 was too high a grade, it should've been 6/10.
How tf has Piastri got a 7? I know he still finished 4th but he finished TWENTY SEVEN seconds behind his teammate. The other way around Lando would get a 3 or 4
@@zgrb that doesn’t warrant him being 27 seconds behind his teammate. With the pace of the car he should’ve overtook Charles and max but he wasn’t fast enough. Thats why they left him out longer
Oscar is a 6 at best, the McLaren was the fastest car and George Russell was close to Lewis because they pitted him before the end of the race to get a point maybe for the fastest lap so that's why he was so close to Lewis, Lewis deserved a 6 at best too he qualified poorly but recovered well in the race
Incorrect Lewis was the one they pitted for the FL. George was pitted because he wore out his tires too fast and he then did it again on the softs and almost got caught by Hamilton.
They both pitted twice so the gap is representative of the pace difference. Lewis was 2 tenths a lap quicker in a 72 lap race. Essentially 14.4 secs of race time.
The Yuki excuses are actually ridiculous now. Loses 6 positions and gets a 5/10. Yes it wasn't a great strat, but COME ON... HES WAS 45secs behind RICCIARDO at the end!! STUCK BEHIND SARGEANT!?!?! DR overtook everyone that came up in front of him, no nonsense about traffic. GET IT TOGETHER LADS!
The strat mishap is comparable to what danny had a few races ago, 45 seconds is alot but half that is the pit. It's all shambolic. Danny did great and will probably get overlooked.
@@Duval-In-The-Wall this is so true. Even when daniel has a lost race outside points, he makes up places. Yuki is unable to do that. one of the only times he's done it notably was Mexico 2023 after he contacted piastri, dropped down the order and still climbed back up couple places. But other than that when he has a bad race, he cannot seem to recover it. Even Austria, Spa and Spain this year is just that
Norris outqualified Oscar in Belgium and finished 8 seconds behind him in the race and got a 5/6, which is fair enough. But when Piastri is ouqualified by 5 tenths and finishes the same number of places behind and by a huge margin of 27 seconds, he gets a 7...
@@Wolfywolf7 i wonder if piastri will get faster with more experience. pace is probably the only thing we've seen drivers fail to get through experience. it's sort of a "you have it or you don't have it". hamilton came out the gates quick, so was alonso, and so was verstappen if you looked past his shady racecraft. i don't recall a single time when a driver has substantially improved their pace and definitely not by the tremendous race pace margin between norris and piastri.
@@no1washerezz I am not so sure. Depending on the track, Oscar will be quite close to Lando on pace, and sometimes even faster. People said it had to do with his struggle with tire-degradation, but I don't think that's the case either, since he literally won his first race on a track that chews through tires like they're gummy candies. I definitely believe that McLaren are a team like Red Bull or Mercedes (when Bottas was with the team), in the sense that they will do anything for their lead driver, and that includes the way the car is set up. Perhaps Oscar's driving style differs from Lando's a bit, and he can't really adapt to it any better than he already is. Just some theories, I guess
@@Wolfywolf7your belief that McLaren will do anything for their first driver was literally disproven when Piastri won his first race. If Horner or Wolff was in charge at McLaren Piastri wouldn’t have an f1 win yet.
"Minimum he should have finished was 2nd." "He needs to do better". Outqualified by half a second. Nearly finished half a minute behind his team mate. Gets a 7/10. I don't understand why you guys are so generous with Piastri after every bad race. Sergio was closer to Max than Oscar was to Lando.
OMG! You guys gave Piastri a 7 despite not finishing second in a rocketship. He couldn't overtake Leclerc, who was in the third fastest car, even with a tire advantage. The people who are going to say that Zandvoort is not an easy track to overtake, norris showed that overtaking was possible in a mclaren. He was also half a second slower than his teammate lando in qualifying and had a poor start in the race. If it were another driver on the grid like say Sainz, Russell, and Hamilton, you guys would have given them at most a 5.
You likely do not understand that dirty air is a heavy disadvantage for the Mclaren. Yes piastri was 0.5 seconds slower in q3. But he wasn't bad in the race. He did good
Yeah it was. He overtook Max (a slower redbull ) with a slower setup then his teammate. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive. But you can't rule out charles either.@@LednacekZ
Max getting a 9 while Lando got a 10 is British bias to the max. You even admit this by saying that Max is being a victim of his own success, apparently he could only have gotten a 10 if he had won despite not having the best car (which you described as looking like he's on ice), and yet he drove a flawless race, he could not have driven any better or gotten more out of that car. Lando however simply won BECAUSE he has the best car, despite Max beating him at the start, and yet that is apparently worth a 10.
100% Agree there both good weather fans, there was abselutly nothing Max could have done to win that race RB20 top speed was 15th in P3 yet Max somehow found P2!!! On that alone he should get a 10😂😂😂😂😂
So McLaren suddenly have a dominant car now? Because Max didn't have the pace, it must mean Norris' car was on autopilot? All year I've heard the most bullshit excuses for how Lando doesn't deserve this or that
@@elliswellington4553 McLaren has had the best car for most of the season. It didn't just start now. Yet they've only had 3 wins. The same amount of wins as Merc who has been consistently and arguably the 4th best car on the grid, sometimes the 3rd depending on what Ferrari are doing. If Merc or RB had the same level of car with only 3 wins they would've received backlash at the highest level.
I don't think it has anything to do with Britisch bias, maybe just bad judgement. We just got used to Max winning a lot the last two years, so when he becomes second in the 2/3 fastest car on the grid it's never good enough.
If a certain red bull driver got stuck behind Leclerc in a car with a massive pace advantage he wouldn't be getting a 7 let's be honest. With these ratings your definitely afraid to rattle certain fanbase
How qualifying 5 tenths behind your teammate, somehow going backwards in a race and finishing 4th when your teammate is 1st and 27 seconds ahead of you is worthy of a 7 I do not know. Like, cmon guys, I am far from a Perez defender, but you have given him so much less for so much better.
"bCS iTs oNlY hIS 2Nd yEar" Stupid excuse, Oscar is a great driver and has set the highest of standards for himself. It was a terrible weekend for him at best it was a 5, far from average to finish 30 seconds off your teammate and fail to overtake a car 1 second slower than yours with faster tyres. Like I said, love Oscar, but giving him anything above a 5 is ludicrous.
@@capcapcuz5588 I think he is their secret love child.Every week it's the same...finding excuses not to give him a well deserved 1 out of 10.He is shockingly bad 9 out of every 10 races and averages a 7.
was going to say the same thing. In Hungary Daniel was the quicker driver and would've finished 9th ahead of Yuki if not for the strategy yet he was given a significantly lower grade 100% bs
I'm sorry guys, but Oscar gets away with so much in these. Did it a few weeks ago too, if Lando has that performance he gets a 4 and no more. Lando got a 7 in Austria ffs
I agree with the point on Oscar, the same happened in Spain when he was miles behind Norris and still got a respectable grade. But Norris is the same, gets favourable grades like in Spa he had the fastest car finished about 6th and got something like a 7, meanwhile Bottas can absolutely smash his teammate and get the Sauber ahead of much quicker cars and will get a 5 or a 6. Both McLaren drivers have a lot of bias tbh. And this is coming from someone who thinks Oscar will be a world champion.
Lando's standards are generally higher than Oscar's bcs he's a better driver. But yeah, he gets away with too much still. His standards arent all that far from Lando's, a 7 is ridiculous considering he was 30 seconds off his teammate, and couldnt overtake a car that was a second a lap slower on 10 lap fresher tyres, when Lando overtook a better driver in a better car on the same tyres earlier that race. Love Oscar, but that drive was another level of dogshit compared to his form before the summer break.
This is what I’ve been implying and saying for so long now 😂. A lot of people seem to believe that Oscar is better than Lando and that lando is overrated because Oscar got a win in his second season. I’ve been saying that 2019-2022 McLaren was not a consistent race winning car. Sochi is the only race I’ll back down on. But Daniel only won because of Lewis and max colliding, if they hadn’t collided then Daniel and lando wouldn’t of got a 1-2. Lando has been in a “best of the rest” midfield car for 4 years. Start of 2023 was an awful McLaren but Austria and the latter half of 2023, they were considered the second best (Brazil as an example). That was Oscar’s 1st season. He’s only had to deal with a bad car for half a season, lando has dealt with it for 4 and half years. Yet the feeble minds of these idiots seem to believe Oscar is now better lol. He’s good, but he ain’t better.
@@KarvidSR Doesnt matter. He's set a standard, you judge him by it. Half a second in Quali on such a shirt track, and 30 seconds behind your teammate is only acceptable as a rookie.
The Piastri glazing lately has been insane. If the McLarens were the two Red Bulls, and it was Perez finishing 4th, ~25 seconds behind Max, everyone would be hating on him again.
Perez finished 17s behind Max. Also Red Bull had the 3rd fastest car this weekend (Ferrari by not much and McLaren were faster) which means Checo did what he had to.
Oscar Piastri 7/10, seriously? He finished 27 seconds behind Lando, do I need to say more? You would expect him to easily overtake Charles and then potentially hunt down Verstappen but no, he was nowhere close. And in qualy he was half a second behind Norris. Honestly really rubbish weekend for Piastri, should not get more then a 4/10
What more could Max have done to get a 10? He maximised everything in both qualifying and the race. Even was leading the race for 17 laps. The red bull was clearly the 3rd fastest car on race day and he got himself 18 points. If this was any other driver they would've gotten a 10 easily.
"Bcs he did still finish 4th" are we judging their finish position, or the actual drive. This weekend was so bad that I haven't seen a single person even TALK about Piastri since this race. Piastri built up so much hype from his fanbase in the 2-3 races upto summer break, to the point where I had to take a break from McLaren and F1 social media (as a McLaren fan since the 2000s) bcs I got sick of the constant toxic Lando-Oscar arguments. Since the Netherlands, I havent seen a SINGLE comment about Oscar being better than Lando. It was a dreadful weekend from Oscar, ESPECIALLY by his standards. Love him and hope he finds it back in Monza, but my god it was poor. Anyways, thanks you guys for the content even tho im convinced you guys just try to wind up your community at this point (if so, i rate the shuthousery) 😭😭
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Lando's fans overrate him miles, and Lando's non-fans underrate him miles. I honestly think Lando (being 2 years younger than Max) has the potential to get to Maxes level by the time he's 26/27 (Maxes current age). Bcs all he has to do is cut out 1/2 pressured mistakes, as well as find generally 1/2 tenths too. Considering how fast developing Lando has been in his career, that is achieveable, especially when you realise Max was in the exact same spot in 2021, he made 1/2 too many pressyred mistakes. As well as that, I think people forget Oscar is already 22, only 2 years younger than Lando. He's got to find A LOT of consistency and make his current best drives, his standard, if he wants to lead McLaren. He cannot have races like China, where he's 40 seconds off Lando and 10 seconds behind after 14 laps, or Spain where he's P7 while Lando's frustratingly close to winning, or Dutch where he's 30 seconds off Lando and failing to make the podium while Lando dominates. Bcs ultimately, Lando hasn't had ANY drives like that while Oscar was finishing on the top step or on the podium.
@@bill4665 Norris impresses me because his overall pace for maybe 2-3 seasons now has been electric In 2022, that McLaren had no right even being near Alpine and yet he was the one who finished 7th in the standings and very nearly dragged the team to P4. This is in car with no notable strengths lmao He’s also pretty consistent, he banks 8/10 performances most races for the better part of 4 years. Imo he’s been in the top 3 drivers on the grid in 2021, 2023, and obviously this season He’s not quite up there with Max, however he has so many different skills which keep him in contention 1) He’s a strong qualifier- Never been out-qualified by a teammate in his career and has a ridiculous Q3 appearance % 2) Incredibly clean and consistent driver, 6 year career in the midfield, only 1 avoidable contact penalty and not many crashes 3) His race pace is among the best on the grid, able to bank consistent laps, almost always moves forward as a race progresses 4) His tyre management is excellent, he’s able to run quick laps without hurting the tyres, keeps them sharp until the end 5) His racecraft is phenomenal, he can put on a clinic of precise overtakes, race wheel to wheel for multiple laps, or put on a masterclass defense (Silverstone last season) 6) He’s excellent in wet conditions, put on second on the field in China sprint quali and was absolutely flying in Canada Now that he’s winning races fans will realize the talent he’s got. He’s right there with Leclerc as the best non-Max driver
7 for piastri is quite generous. remember hungary when norris was practically convinced by the pitwall that giving piastri a win along with 7 points was gonna win "piastri's favor" and his help with lando's championship fight against verstappen? well lando had over a 70 point gap to close and in zandvoort, mclaren had by far the quickest car so where was piastri's help? this drive deserves nothing more than a 5. failed to qualify on the front row (when lando pulled 3 tenths on verstappen) and failed to fulfill his duty to help norris (essentially just snubbing the win). i was never to keen on hyping piastri rather i just sat back while everyone glazed him and i would let him do his talking on track in order to truly rate him fairly. quite frankly, if lando still believes in his chances of being world champion, he should just walk over piastri and ignore any and all future team orders that benefit piastri over himself.
Sorry I’m just fed up with you guys with this. You never mentioned when DR would cop the terrible strategy, Yuki would drive *brilliantly*… Danny has the exact opposite happen and you have to qualify your scores because Yuki has a bad one? Not watching these anymore. It’s maddening.
Exactly. Even though they gave Daniel a better score this round, they talked about the terrible strategy for Yuki when they don't really say it for Daniel, from my memory on their past videos. Anyway! I only skip to my favorite drivers now. I can't watch the whole video anymore.
It is rather frustrating isnt it. Dont know how Oscar is getting away with P4 in a car that was 22 seconds clear of Verstappen (with pace in hand judging from a fastest lap on 40 lap old tyres), and also failed to pass a car that was ONE SECOND off the McLaren's pace in Quali, while having a tyre advantage on Leclerc. Finishing 3rd, that's a 6-7 at a push, but FOURTH? thats a 4-5 at best.
@@hannaa7872 honestly felt like the most reluctant 7/10 they’ve ever given. I’m not even a DR fan, I’m a Ferrari fan! But it’s impossible not to notice they just don’t seem to like Danny, and there’s a clear bias towards Yuki. Yuki HAS been driving fantastically and had a bad race, so why on earth did they have to qualify the rating they gave Danny because Yuki had a shocker? I don’t get it. I want them to continue doing the series but it feels like they really do have a genuine bias to some drivers and it’s just… idk. It generates views.
@@bill4665 it’s a little weird that they put such an emphasis on their scores based on context… and the context of this race is Oscar had a rough race by the high standards he’s set for himself this year. Even *he* acknowledged that. So why can’t they?
@@martininho001 Exactly. The fact that Matt says "He still finished 4th" and Tommy says "He came away with good championship points" before giving him a 7 is jarring. We aren't rating their points or positions, we are rating their driving. And Oscar was miles off where he should be by what he's done this year and last, and comfortably below where most drivers in their 2nd years should be. He's 22 don't forget, he may only be in his 2nd year, but he isn't that much more inexperienced (overall, obviously far more inexperienced in the details of F1) than Lando who's 24.
How can they keep being so kind to piastri😭 it’s why he was 2nd/3rd in their average driver ratings. He finished half a minute off lando and that’s a 7/10 performance? Stop treating him like a rookie because he isn’t one anymore
Unpopular opinion: Max is a 10, he pushed the car as high as it would go and he overtook lando in a faster car. Lando is a 9: that car is a rocket and lando did not drive a flawless drive
Average ratings after Netherlands Matt rating: Avg 1. Max Verstappen 9,00 2. Lando Norris 8,40 3. Oscar Piastri 8,07 4. Charles Leclerc 7,80 5. George Russell 7,60 6. Carlos Sainz 7,57 7. Lewis Hamilton 7,40 8. Nico Hulkenberg 7,33 9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,80 10. Fernando Alonso 6,60 11. Pierre Gasly 6,50 12. Alex Albon 6,27 13. Esteban Ocon 5,87 14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,87 15. Valtteri Bottas 5,67 16. Kevin Magnussen 5,27 17. Lance Stroll 5,13 18. Sergio Perez 4,87 19. Guanyu Zhou 4,53 20. Logan Sargeant 3,93
Tommy rating: 1. Max Verstappen 9,00 2. Lando Norris 8,27 3. Oscar Piastri 8,27 4. Charles Leclerc 7,87 5. Carlos Sainz 7,71 6. Lewis Hamilton 7,47 7. George Russell 7,47 8. Nico Hulkenberg 7,20 9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,73 10. Fernando Alonso 6,67 11. Pierre Gasly 6,43 12. Alex Albon 6,20 13. Esteban Ocon 6,00 14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,73 15. Valtteri Bottas 5,47 16. Lance Stroll 5,27 17. Kevin Magnussen 5,07 18. Sergio Perez 4,87 19. Guanyu Zhou 4,40 20. Logan Sargeant 4,00
Fan rating: 1. Max Verstappen 8,67 2. Lando Norris 8,53 3. Oscar Piastri 8,00 4. Charles Leclerc 7,53 5. Carlos Sainz 7,43 6. George Russell 7,40 7. Lewis Hamilton 7,27 8. Nico Hulkenberg 6,93 9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,60 10. Fernando Alonso 6,20 11. Alex Albon 6,13 12. Pierre Gasly 6,07 13. Daniel Ricciardo 5,53 14. Esteban Ocon 5,33 15. Kevin Magnussen 5,33 16. Valtteri Bottas 5,20 17. Lance Stroll 5,13 18. Sergio Perez 4,87 19. Guanyu Zhou 4,47 20. Logan Sargeant 4,20
The fact that in the fan rating Lando is close to Max is such a joke. Max would have at least 8 wins in that Mclaren, the Mclaren now has been the best car for the MOST races and Max still leads by 70 points...
For the same reason, Piastri ahead of Charles is ridiculous. He is stull behind Charles in the championship and had a freaking rocketship on at least 5 races so far, Ferrari had that on literally 0 tracks.
@@pedro.gandra tbf Leclerc had a pretty bad start because sainz outperform him the first couple of races making him look worst then he probably was. Just to name some Australia, Japan and Bahrain outperform by sainz. And the max rating could be explained by Australia where a lot of people gave him a 1 because he didn't finish the race. But obviously the Lando rating is a joke he probably is barely top 3 drivers this year with the best car for the last 11 races with just 2 wins.
I don't understand the random Lando love. He was superb this weekend, fully deserving of a 10 out of 10. But so many other times he could have done a bit better but still gets the fan vote for driver of the day.
Winner will always get hate mate. Having said that Lando somehow changed since Miami, he kind of got that "I can do nothing wrong" mentality all off a sudden maybe the air got inside his head 😮
Love listening too you guys! But honestly, you should give it try yourselves... Listen to your drivers summary and try to "mentally beep out" the drivers name and point tally - and you would give absolutly different grades... "Outqualified teammate, won some places on the start, fought successfully against better cars, but dropped back by questionable 2 stopp due to horrendous car" -> 5. "Didn't have a great weekend, got beat by teammate handily in qualy, lost positions and couldn't pass slower cars, finished off of the podium when hes teammate dominated the race. Overall one of his weaker weekends" -> 7 Doesnt make sense! Similar story for yuki, ocon, perez etc. So much bias (towards points finishes and pity for perez etc)
I agree with the general sentiment in the comments here, you guys really missed the mark with a lot of these rating. I'm a huge yuki fan, but he was slow this weekend, lost positions on pure pace and chewed his tyres much harder than his teammate. And then giving Oscar a 7 for what might well be his worst performance of his F1 career so far? He missed the podium in easily the best car on the grid. That's a 4 at best. And I have to imagine you didn't actually watch Bottas' drive at all, he was really performing in that tractor, yet you gave him a 5??? What more are you expecting from anyone in that car?
You give charles a 10 but dont give lewis a 10 for his hungary performance when he got the absolute maximum and defended vs verstappen who was in a faster car? These ratings are crazy or your bias against hamilton is next level lmao.
Still convinced you two are sponsored by Yuki Tsunoda.He is absolutely shocking, yet you will never say it or give him the rightful 1 or 2 he almost always deserves.
this is based off the whole weekend and not just the race, we can all agree yuki did a shitty race but quali included, he definitely desserved a 5, we could argue wether or not they are biased towards yuki because they rarely mentions when ricciardo has a stupid strategy but saying that yuki is shocking and that he almost always deserves a 1 or 2 is being absolutely dishonest
@@treapyoney5886 what should he get for driving slowly throughout, finishing near the back most weeks in a car that is capable of finishing in the points? An average of around 7 every week they give him for being awful!!
the erasure of carlos' overtakes is indictable "gasly got overtaken by leclerc" AND SAINZ and that one was cooler "norris was the only one to overtake a car with similar pace" AND SAINZ ON PEREZ
Ok so Tommy gave Lando a 5 for Spa for out qualifying his team mate then losing out at the start and then got stuck in Max's DRS for the rest of the race. The same happens with Oscar in Zandvoort and he gets a 7? He was half a second behind Lando in quali as well!
I'm so glad everyone in the comments seem to finally be sick of all the Piastri bias. That performance was a 5 at best, most overrated driver by far right now
7 for piastri is insane 0,5 Slower than his teammate p 4 in a car that finished p1 with a 22 s lead. If his Name would be Perez he would be getting a 1. a 7 should be an Above avg Race but he didnt Even had an avg race
Giving anyone else other than Charles driver of the day is downright criminal. He rang every ounce of performance out of the car. He held off Oscar who was in a faster car with 9 lap newer tires, and finished on the podium less than 5 seconds behind Max.
Charles and Max both did well and maximise there points. Driver of the day is a farce!!!!! It's just who the public feels sorry for and 99% of the time it's Norris. He can finish in 20th in the best car on the grid and still be in contention for driver of the day 😂😂😂 😂 😂 😂 😂😂😂😂
lol I don’t get the pisatri hype. Personally an Albion fan but idk how u give pisatri a 7? If it was anyone else this weekend but him we would be ridiculing him? 4-5 maximum if that was lando he get a 4-5. He quali half a second behind his teammate and was horrendous in the race and couldn’t pass with fresher tires when lando showed he could on worse tires. Also the McLaren was the quickest car by far lando put 20 seconds on the field and pisatri could do nothing. I’m sorry that’s a horrible grade no where near a 7. Literally seen this but with max and Perez this exact situation u guys gave him a 5-6 but when it’s pisatri u guys give him 7-8 for the same horrible drive. Sorry don’t get this future pisatri hype he’s getting killed in quali and the races.
@@robhardin8933i completely agree, I feel for Lando as he has utterly destroyed his teammate and if it were the other way round, he would be getting crazy abuse 5/10 for Piastri max
@robhardin8933 everything in that seems targeted towards saying the boys are being stupid and biased and yet the fan average is the same for all of the drivers you just said, so are you saying the fan vote is wrong aswell?
Losing his seat is “literally” a cumulative result of his season. It was not because he finished 16th, ahead of 4 other drivers, 2 behind his teammate, gaining 2 spots in the race, for a 9th place team. The rating for the race is based on performance in the race. He had a very typical race for him, a 3. Maybe even a 4. For this race. Which is what a race rating represents.
@@robertsay4374 Not true. Logan lost his seat from him constantly crashing his car and making up damage costs, not for a lack of performance. He started p18 unable to qualify, and finished p16 ahead of 4 others after keeping tsunoda behind for 30 laps even with tsunoda's tyre advantage. If anything for the car he has for keeping tsunoda behind, he deserved a 5 or more
Pumping points to Piastri is funny at this point. He finished 25 seconds behind his teammate. Perez finished 17 seconds behind his teammate ffs. Piastri was awful
Everyone in the comments complaining that Oscar got a 7 but in the video "the fans gave Oscar a 7 as well". Are these Patreon voters? Is the perception there different from the YT comment section?
Piastri was graded way to easily. Absolutely insane to finish 30 seconds behind Norris, and qualify half a second off. If this was Perez people would shit on him so hard and Piastri gets a 7? Ridiculous.
I know this is a very small thing but I feel if Matt is going to give Carlos a 8 he should have given Charles a 9 like the fans, or Give Charles a 10 and give Carlos a 9, I don't think Charles was 2 points better than Carlos, and this also affects the averages for the end of season ratings
This will get the people going in the comments so let’s talk about it. In my opinion… Yuki and Logan are almost identical in racing skill. If they had the same machinery every race I think Logan may even be better than Yuki.
You're saying you're not taking Lando's previous poor starts in account when rating him for this race but will boost Perez' score because it's a better performance compared to his recent form? He qualified 4 tenths behind his teammate, finished 17 seconds behind Max in the race and had no business finishing behind 2 ferraris. He deserves a 6 at best, more likely a 5.
no he's supposed to be a WDC material, he should already be beating Norris who is "overrated". For reference in his second year Charles was making a 4 time world champions looks silly and in his first year, Hamilton was in par with 2 times world champion Fernando Alonso. But since i know you guys can't stop using the " it's OnLY hIs SeCoNd YeAr " excuse, Oscar has completed almost 40 races, at certain times, it would already be his third season close to be his fourth
@@treapyoney5886 No, he shouldn't be beating Lando as Lando is a very experienced F1 driver while Oscar is still learning in his second season. He'll be ready in his 3rd or 4th season to battle for the title.
@@JC-lu4se How do you explain what Charles was able to do to a much more experienced driver in his second year? Same for Lewis in his first year. As i said in my initial comment, Piastri is about to complete 40 races, and at certain period it would've already been his third seasons...
A 7 for Oscar after finishing nearly 30 seconds behind his teammate is criminal rating. Stop holding Oscar to a different standard than lando and then say oscar is better than lando. Both can't be true
I feel if lando finished P4, he would receive a lower grade. Seems generous to Oscar. For me, it’s a 5 for Oscar. Guess you have different standards for both lando and Oscar
5:40 I actually thought he had a slow stop, may have been someone else, and I just assumed its Sauber (for obvious reasons) I was the Zhou defender, but I agree he had a race to forget, to put it nicely Edit: I am proud to be a Zhou defender, and also really good ratings list
I thought the mid season driver rating was bizarre in scoring Piastri above Norris. Yes Piastri is strong but on balance he hasn’t had the outright speed in races compared to Norris. He’s also made more mistakes overall.
This is pure hypocrisy. Piastri gets 8 for finishing 4th in a car that gapped the field by 20 seconds. Sainz gets an 8/9 because he did good in the race. George gets a 7 for going backwards and ending a few seconds before his teammate who started 14. So why does Lewis only get a 6 when he made up 1 more place than sainz from where he started? Like why is it that sainz gets praised for qualifying as badly as lewis did and lewis gets talked down on? I can’t watch this trash anymore 🤦🏾♂️
How is Zhou only a 2? He had to drive 1 handed so that he could hack the graphics to put Bottas on the podium, what a team player! Deserves at least a 6 for that
Lando was a 9 at best.. Dominant car, lost a place off the start... Not a perfect race and a 10 out of 10 should be a perfect race... get it together boys
Ahh there it is again. Charles gets 2 points more than Sainz from matt because he finished 2 positions lower. Yet in the races where charles (by his OWN mistaken) finishes outside the points he still gets high sympathy points and ”you have to look at the bigger picture” type of treatment. Thing is, it is hypocritical when you do this every time your favourite driver screws up but not ever with anybody else. Carlos had traffic in quali, simple as that. Not to mention barely Any practice time. No pace difference to Charles and a worse strategy and yet 5 positions gained and finished only 7 seconds behind, but still a 2 points difference… Tommy is real
I have an opinion on your hulkenberg kmag grading. You criticise kmag for being a roadblock and playing the team game, but in the next breath praise hulk for an excellent strategy. Both their strategies are 2 halves of the whole Hass. Without Kevin being a douche bag hulk’s drive would have been a very different affair. He’d just be down in 16th looking like a numpty. Kmag is the only reason hulk is getting points
I would give Oscar 5, Max 10, Logan 1, Yuki 6, Daniel 6 and George 8. Oscar relative to car he had, performed very poorly. Max maximized his weekend, he even got the lead at start but it wasn't enough. Logan cost Williams millions of dollars and didn't anything especial in the race. Yuki qualified better than Daniel and only finished behind him because of strategy. George was in P5 and Mercedes pit him for no good reason costing him 2 positions, otherwise he had a pretty solid weekend.
@Ramtinss so you watched Logan Sargeant overtake Tsunoda, then Yuki failed to do the same for the entirety of the race? Finished 40+ seconds behind his teammate, and was 0.8 seconds slower per lap. Such a poor performance negates any slight advantage he had gained from qualifying.
Sainz overrated like always. Indeed he had a great recovery but no way how he gets more than a 8 after he finished P5 only and also didn't got into Q3.
About the race start: it was just McLaren starting awfully. Perez lost places because he had to back out when the gap between Piastri and Russell disappeared, but he actually got off the line really well.
I’m sorry if Perez dropped that Piastri performance in THAT McLaren you’d have given him a 2. Consistently half a second off Norris this weekend around a 75-second lap, finishing off the podium in a car 6 tenths clear of the rest.
As a lando fan, before the summer break i almost started doubting him based on the starts, i understand your pain now matt, watching your favourite driver in the best car or a car that can compete for wins get shafted by strategy and making mistakes under pressure is really hard.
Why would anyone treat Lando in another way than Max? Max had a dominant car in 23 and we still commended his amazing performances. What legitimate reason is there not to do the same with Lando?
@@croissantpower are you seriously trying to defend Norris bad starts??? Something he ADMITS was bad. But you seem to know better than Norris himself, rrright?! HAHAHAHA
Bottas finishing 2nd and getting 5/10 is a crime
Goat
@DDTransitionelements go beg with good content then. btw, they didnt say that
@@DawidSikora Tbf Bottas finished first in formula C.
@DDTransitionelements bot spam, everywhere this guy is cmon
5/10 was a legal note when he was in Mercedes 😁
Sargeant: started 18, finished unemployed
started 18th, and is finished :P
He did beat Yuki Tsunoda though, who according to these guys is on par with Senna!!
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Oh that's cold but so true...
Brutal 😂
Remember that bonus Kimi got for every point when he was at Lotus, kinda drove (pun not intended) them into bankruptcy? Maybe Magnussen gets a similar bonus for every point Hulk scores?
Given that he's been sacked, it's the only explanation 😂
Kevin Magnussen 0:53
Nico Hulkenberg 4:03
Zhou Guanyu 5:15
Valtteri Bottas 7:20
Yuki Tsunoda 8:42
Daniel Ricciardo 10:06
Logan Sargeant 11:35
Alex Albon 13:20
Esteban Ocon 14:59
Pierre Gasly 16:20
Lance Stroll 17:40
Fernando Alonso 18:57
Oscar Piastri 20:10
Lando Norris 22:01
Carlos Sainz 24:22
Charles Leclerc 26:23
George Russell 28:19
Lewis Hamilton 30:26
Sergio Perez 31:54
Max Verstappen 33:34
Thank you! They should really put in timestamps lol
Thanks bro
YES, don't necessarily need or want to sit through every rating.
“Mobile chicane” is the best description of KMag that I’ve ever heard 😂😂
Zhou was "only" 33 seconds behind Bottas because Stake pitted Bottas for absolutely no reason really late in the race. I think Bottas was 17th? when he pitted. Zhou was like 77 seconds off 19th before that.
I refuse to believe that a Bottas Pitstop cost him 44 seconds WHAT 😭😭
It might sound crazy to say this with Bottas being on 0 points but I think he’s driving better this season than he has in years
ZHOU WAS 36 SECS BEHIND BOTTAS AT 19TH. IT ALMOST HIT 37 SECS!
Hey hey ho ho, Zhou Ganyu Must Go!
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Stake pitted both Bottas and Zhou twice each. That means that he was 33 seconds behind his teammate with an equal number of stops. That is the only thing that matters.
@@bill4665 I mean, this is Sauber we're talking about. 😆
This Tsunoda favouritism need to stop. He started P11 and immediately lost places to Hulkenberg and Hamilton. Cooked his soft and medium tyres early that they had to respond by pitting him early. That wasn't a strategy issue. you weren't prepared to give daniel the same grace when he lost sure points in Hungary from an even worser strategy. Tsunoda then couldn't get past Logan sargeant despite the 10 lap tyre advantage, whereas Daniel passed Albon with ease. Daniel also made 4 overtakes, yuki did none. He was NOT performing. Daniel had great tyre management which allowed him to catch up with Magnussen, Albon & Lance towards the end. One more lap he would've even gotten Hulkenberg
THIS! Fans giving Danny a 5 is just pure hate smh.
Totally agree. Saying Yuki is the Vcarb driver that always gets the bad strategy is a joke - it’s always Daniel who gets the cooked strategy!
@@cathh3301HAHAHA yuki been getting bad strategies since before PRicciardo turned up
Danny has much better race pace than tsunoda tbh, hes shown it multiple times this season
@@purpledavio name any other race other than that one please maybe one more time.
I agree that Yukis strategy was pretty awful, but he was 40+ seconds behind Daniel, which is almost 2 pitstops behind. Think there should have been a greater gap in ratings between the 2, particularly with the fans. In what universe could you rate them equally.
You had Lando finishing 22.9 seconds ahead of Max after having taken the lead only on lap 10 or smtg and there is Oscar who couldn't even pass George in the first stint and then fell off to Charles and then couldn't pass him back in a rocketship car with wayyyy more fresher tyres. That's a 5 for me and infact that itself is quite lenient. That guy's been getting wayyyy too much leniency
that intro was “ simply lovely “😂
How dare u steal Landos saying.
It was shit and rubbish
Lovely but the part where the dude on the right was moving his hands left and right like an idiot was lame as f.
Bottas gets a 5 for driving well in the worst car on the grid, Piastri gets a 7, despite finishing 3 positions behind his teammate who won the race by 22 seconds? Make it make sense man.
You think someone that finished 19th deserves a higher grade than someone who finished 4th? 7 for Piastri is fine considering where his teammate finished and where he finished
@@local321 the whole point is to not rate the result, it’s to rate the driver’s performance, or so they claim at least.
@selbit325 Yea and oscar's performance was better than bottas despite finishing 4th in that mclaren. At least in my opinion
The ratings are not against each other, they're against what I'd call a sliding scale.
That said, Piastri deserved a 5. That was average at best all weekend. I think he'd agree.
I say this as a McLaren fan and equal fan of both Oscar and Lando.
@@selbit325 the same that FIA claims the penalties don't reflect consequences of incidents
Didn't Yuki get overtaken by Logan on pace? I get RBs strat was terrible but oof.
Right? The fact that Yuki couldn't pass at all was definitely something
That was quite embarrassing, Logan kept him behind almost the whole race
Not being talked about enough. It was a disaster drive from him.
@@vladesolo9458
Shows that despite 4 years in the sport, his racecraft is still bang average
Yeah he had the tyre advantage and couldnt get past slogan
If it was ric he would have gotten a 3
Vcarb basically did the same to yuki that they did to ric in hungary however ric made it back to 12th from 20th
Ricciardo didn’t get stuck in traffic because he actually got past them lmao
fr yuki couldnt get past sargeant for the whole race, race pace wise ricciardo clears yuki
Fr Yuki gets all of the excuses but when it’s Daniel he’s getting nitpicked for every little thing
A 5 for Ricciardo is fucking stupid
@@bigdawg44444 Sargeant was also driver a back up car basically.Yuki Tsunoda is awful.
If Sergio Perez, Carlos Sainz or George Russell finished 30 seconds behind their teammate on pure pace whilst their teammate won the race, they get no more than a 4. How has Piastri got a 7?
Also when Bottas finishes 30 seconds ahead of his teammate he gets a 5
Piastri - 30 seconds behind gets a 7. Bottas - 30 seconds ahead gets a 5.
@@almannaidrottsklubben418There's some truth in that but one finished P4 and the other P19. And naturally Lando is much better than Zhou.
@@soundscape26 if you breed prime Max Verstappen with Michael Schumacher and put him in that sauber he would still be 19th
They hate George and love Lewis. He beat Hamilton in quali and race, and still got the same points.😂
Stroll had the same speed as Alonso, got WAY worse points then Oscar... Bottas beat his teammate by 1 second, 0,5 secs in every lap in race for a 5...
How dare you give Zhou a 2! Bottas only finished ahead of him because he hacked the timing screens so he briefly moved up to 2nd. Zhou totally destroyed him the whole weekend and totally deserves a 10... 😂
Hey hey ho ho, Zhou Ganyu Must Go!
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These guys keep treating a 7 like a 5. The Mercedes cars and Oscar had okay weekends compared to what is expected of them, not bad performances but not good either
"these guys" well how do you explain the fan votes then? is everyone just delusional on how 7 and 5 should work but you?
@@CharleetheGiraffeThats hamperd by the british fanbase and the community's idea of: piastri is the new goat so we cant score him low
Exactly. 7 is a good drive. 5 is average.
@@CharleetheGiraffe top team bias is big in everyone, and on average the fans tend to judge drivers based on position rather than performance even more than Matt and Tommy, doesn't mean they're right. Scoring points is not an achievement in a Formula A car, but an average race in a Formula A car hands you a 7 while one in a Formula B car scores you a 5 because of it.
@danbruh33 And 4 is a below average, which is what piastris drive was. I actually relly like oscar but you have to be realistic
Tsunoda had no pace even in clear air. I was watching the lap times the whole time. Danny indeed was quite quick during the race.
Not sure if it was intentional but the ad space being split right before and after the first driver rating is a bit jarring. Cuts the flow of the conversation.
RUclips do it so that we will watch the ad and than continue watching the video whereas before RUclips started doing this ppl would click off the video when an ad came up
Bro just get adblock lol it's free. I haven't seen a RUclips ad in maybe 5yrs and even forgot they existed.
@@hakshustletvRUclips is trying to shut them down for Chrome users. I use Premium anyway because you can't get an adblock on console
@@hakshustletvI have Adblock and RUclips premium lol. I’m talking about the in-video SquareSpace ad read.
I’m usually a big enjoyer in this (still am) but I just can’t ignore the piastri bias. He constantly gets 7/8/9’s even when his performance was pretty mediocre
Agree with you, he's getting too overrated just because he's "supposedly" going to be better than lando
Piastri is this year's Albon 😂
Just like Lando
Him, Albon and Tsunoda are frequently favoured in these rankings but ultimately they're just fans like us with their biases and all.
Exactly he gets beaten by lando in every other quali and has a poor performance in the race and they’ll still give him an 8
Okay love you guys but Oscar a 7? I mean if it was Perez we'd be clowning him for being that far behind Lando
I think part of it may be because he's only in his 2nd season and stil getting better as a driver whereas Perez is in his 13th season and is an extremely experienced driver.
But I agree 7/10 was too high a grade, it should've been 6/10.
when is the last time perez finished 4th 😂 what are we talking about here
If Perez was regularly finishing 4th we wouldn't be talking about replacing him every weekend.
@@lukew6725he was second in the championship last year and people were calling for him to be sacked then too 😃
To be fair to them, on average they gave Perez a 7 as well for finishing 4th last season.
How tf has Piastri got a 7? I know he still finished 4th but he finished TWENTY SEVEN seconds behind his teammate. The other way around Lando would get a 3 or 4
Even if Piastri did Norris’s race but finished P2 he would’ve got a 10 so long as he beat Lando
Got screwed on tire strategy by waiting too long and giving up track position
@@zgrb that doesn’t warrant him being 27 seconds behind his teammate. With the pace of the car he should’ve overtook Charles and max but he wasn’t fast enough. Thats why they left him out longer
Because he had a Ferrari that was good on the straights infront of him. You are talking like he had clean air and the sky infront of him.
I'm Aussie but Piastri is overrated.
Oscar is a 6 at best, the McLaren was the fastest car and George Russell was close to Lewis because they pitted him before the end of the race to get a point maybe for the fastest lap so that's why he was so close to Lewis, Lewis deserved a 6 at best too he qualified poorly but recovered well in the race
Incorrect Lewis was the one they pitted for the FL. George was pitted because he wore out his tires too fast and he then did it again on the softs and almost got caught by Hamilton.
They both pitted twice so the gap is representative of the pace difference. Lewis was 2 tenths a lap quicker in a 72 lap race. Essentially 14.4 secs of race time.
The Yuki excuses are actually ridiculous now. Loses 6 positions and gets a 5/10. Yes it wasn't a great strat, but COME ON... HES WAS 45secs behind RICCIARDO at the end!! STUCK BEHIND SARGEANT!?!?! DR overtook everyone that came up in front of him, no nonsense about traffic. GET IT TOGETHER LADS!
The strat mishap is comparable to what danny had a few races ago, 45 seconds is alot but half that is the pit. It's all shambolic. Danny did great and will probably get overlooked.
Yuki couldn’t pass Logan for 20+ laps, if DR had that , everyone would crucify him. No one mentions VCARBs trash strategies when it’s Danny
Yuki was shocking yet again, his racecraft is fairly average
@BrownsNJ24 Exactly, but this time, it was Yuki's "team strategy" that couldn't let him pass Logan. He just wasn't good.
Yuki couldn't pass logan even with the 10 lap tyre offset/advantage over logan
Sooo true. 100% right
@@Duval-In-The-Wall this is so true. Even when daniel has a lost race outside points, he makes up places. Yuki is unable to do that. one of the only times he's done it notably was Mexico 2023 after he contacted piastri, dropped down the order and still climbed back up couple places. But other than that when he has a bad race, he cannot seem to recover it. Even Austria, Spa and Spain this year is just that
Norris outqualified Oscar in Belgium and finished 8 seconds behind him in the race and got a 5/6, which is fair enough. But when Piastri is ouqualified by 5 tenths and finishes the same number of places behind and by a huge margin of 27 seconds, he gets a 7...
There is still an experience factor to think about with it not even being Oscar's second year yet but it is still very generous for sure
@@KayneWalshNZ Yep
Crazy how often experience gets overlooked
@@Wolfywolf7 i wonder if piastri will get faster with more experience. pace is probably the only thing we've seen drivers fail to get through experience. it's sort of a "you have it or you don't have it". hamilton came out the gates quick, so was alonso, and so was verstappen if you looked past his shady racecraft. i don't recall a single time when a driver has substantially improved their pace and definitely not by the tremendous race pace margin between norris and piastri.
@@no1washerezz I am not so sure. Depending on the track, Oscar will be quite close to Lando on pace, and sometimes even faster. People said it had to do with his struggle with tire-degradation, but I don't think that's the case either, since he literally won his first race on a track that chews through tires like they're gummy candies. I definitely believe that McLaren are a team like Red Bull or Mercedes (when Bottas was with the team), in the sense that they will do anything for their lead driver, and that includes the way the car is set up. Perhaps Oscar's driving style differs from Lando's a bit, and he can't really adapt to it any better than he already is. Just some theories, I guess
@@Wolfywolf7your belief that McLaren will do anything for their first driver was literally disproven when Piastri won his first race. If Horner or Wolff was in charge at McLaren Piastri wouldn’t have an f1 win yet.
I mostly agree but I would give Oscar a 5 at most. He should be at least on the podium. Maybe a 4 for Ocon as well. He got destroyed by gasly
"Minimum he should have finished was 2nd." "He needs to do better". Outqualified by half a second. Nearly finished half a minute behind his team mate. Gets a 7/10. I don't understand why you guys are so generous with Piastri after every bad race. Sergio was closer to Max than Oscar was to Lando.
OMG! You guys gave Piastri a 7 despite not finishing second in a rocketship. He couldn't overtake Leclerc, who was in the third fastest car, even with a tire advantage. The people who are going to say that Zandvoort is not an easy track to overtake, norris showed that overtaking was possible in a mclaren. He was also half a second slower than his teammate lando in qualifying and had a poor start in the race. If it were another driver on the grid like say Sainz, Russell, and Hamilton, you guys would have given them at most a 5.
You likely do not understand that dirty air is a heavy disadvantage for the Mclaren. Yes piastri was 0.5 seconds slower in q3. But he wasn't bad in the race. He did good
@@Duriel123 it was not in the hands of Lando.
LOL they only keep those standards for Checo ;)
Yeah it was. He overtook Max (a slower redbull ) with a slower setup then his teammate. Don't get me wrong, it's impressive. But you can't rule out charles either.@@LednacekZ
@@JosephMutinda-e2n go read a racing manual 🤣
Max getting a 9 while Lando got a 10 is British bias to the max. You even admit this by saying that Max is being a victim of his own success, apparently he could only have gotten a 10 if he had won despite not having the best car (which you described as looking like he's on ice), and yet he drove a flawless race, he could not have driven any better or gotten more out of that car. Lando however simply won BECAUSE he has the best car, despite Max beating him at the start, and yet that is apparently worth a 10.
100% Agree there both good weather fans, there was abselutly nothing Max could have done to win that race RB20 top speed was 15th in P3 yet Max somehow found P2!!! On that alone he should get a 10😂😂😂😂😂
Thy tongue speaketh many truths sir.
So McLaren suddenly have a dominant car now? Because Max didn't have the pace, it must mean Norris' car was on autopilot? All year I've heard the most bullshit excuses for how Lando doesn't deserve this or that
@@elliswellington4553 McLaren has had the best car for most of the season. It didn't just start now. Yet they've only had 3 wins. The same amount of wins as Merc who has been consistently and arguably the 4th best car on the grid, sometimes the 3rd depending on what Ferrari are doing. If Merc or RB had the same level of car with only 3 wins they would've received backlash at the highest level.
I don't think it has anything to do with Britisch bias, maybe just bad judgement. We just got used to Max winning a lot the last two years, so when he becomes second in the 2/3 fastest car on the grid it's never good enough.
If a certain red bull driver got stuck behind Leclerc in a car with a massive pace advantage he wouldn't be getting a 7 let's be honest. With these ratings your definitely afraid to rattle certain fanbase
How qualifying 5 tenths behind your teammate, somehow going backwards in a race and finishing 4th when your teammate is 1st and 27 seconds ahead of you is worthy of a 7 I do not know. Like, cmon guys, I am far from a Perez defender, but you have given him so much less for so much better.
"bCS iTs oNlY hIS 2Nd yEar"
Stupid excuse, Oscar is a great driver and has set the highest of standards for himself. It was a terrible weekend for him at best it was a 5, far from average to finish 30 seconds off your teammate and fail to overtake a car 1 second slower than yours with faster tyres. Like I said, love Oscar, but giving him anything above a 5 is ludicrous.
@@ribeqahh What are you on about "we beat you" who tf is "we" and who tf is "you" 💀💀💀
@@ribeqahh Mans got worse comebacks than his own insecurity 💀
Fr it was a 5 at best
I'm a Piastri fan, but this was absolutely no higher than a 5. Probably more of a 3 or 4
So you think it was a horrendous result to finish forth on a track that is basically impossible to overtake?
As a fellow piastri fan, it was a 5 yeah, but no lower, Lec put in a MASTERCLASS defending for that long
@@Kluck0816lando overtook a faster car in the same car bruh
@@Kluck0816 if it’s so impossible how did Norris do it? Oscar can and has performed far better than he did this weekend.
@Kluck0816 5 is average. It was a below average performance. Other drivers, including his teammate, were able to overtake.
HOW COME YOU LET TSUNODA OFF SO EASILY AND NOT DANI FOR THE SAME TEAM STRAT BS?!
@@capcapcuz5588 I think he is their secret love child.Every week it's the same...finding excuses not to give him a well deserved 1 out of 10.He is shockingly bad 9 out of every 10 races and averages a 7.
was going to say the same thing. In Hungary Daniel was the quicker driver and would've finished 9th ahead of Yuki if not for the strategy yet he was given a significantly lower grade 100% bs
I'm sorry guys, but Oscar gets away with so much in these. Did it a few weeks ago too, if Lando has that performance he gets a 4 and no more. Lando got a 7 in Austria ffs
I agree with the point on Oscar, the same happened in Spain when he was miles behind Norris and still got a respectable grade. But Norris is the same, gets favourable grades like in Spa he had the fastest car finished about 6th and got something like a 7, meanwhile Bottas can absolutely smash his teammate and get the Sauber ahead of much quicker cars and will get a 5 or a 6. Both McLaren drivers have a lot of bias tbh. And this is coming from someone who thinks Oscar will be a world champion.
Lando's standards are generally higher than Oscar's bcs he's a better driver.
But yeah, he gets away with too much still. His standards arent all that far from Lando's, a 7 is ridiculous considering he was 30 seconds off his teammate, and couldnt overtake a car that was a second a lap slower on 10 lap fresher tyres, when Lando overtook a better driver in a better car on the same tyres earlier that race.
Love Oscar, but that drive was another level of dogshit compared to his form before the summer break.
This is what I’ve been implying and saying for so long now 😂. A lot of people seem to believe that Oscar is better than Lando and that lando is overrated because Oscar got a win in his second season. I’ve been saying that 2019-2022 McLaren was not a consistent race winning car. Sochi is the only race I’ll back down on. But Daniel only won because of Lewis and max colliding, if they hadn’t collided then Daniel and lando wouldn’t of got a 1-2. Lando has been in a “best of the rest” midfield car for 4 years.
Start of 2023 was an awful McLaren but Austria and the latter half of 2023, they were considered the second best (Brazil as an example). That was Oscar’s 1st season. He’s only had to deal with a bad car for half a season, lando has dealt with it for 4 and half years. Yet the feeble minds of these idiots seem to believe Oscar is now better lol. He’s good, but he ain’t better.
Oscar is in his 2nd season tho... yeez
@@KarvidSR Doesnt matter. He's set a standard, you judge him by it. Half a second in Quali on such a shirt track, and 30 seconds behind your teammate is only acceptable as a rookie.
The Piastri glazing lately has been insane.
If the McLarens were the two Red Bulls, and it was Perez finishing 4th, ~25 seconds behind Max, everyone would be hating on him again.
Perez finished 17s behind Max.
Also Red Bull had the 3rd fastest car this weekend (Ferrari by not much and McLaren were faster) which means Checo did what he had to.
I mean, weren't we? I know I was.
But Oscar deserves a 5.
@@LFC1PGFerrari was faster than Red Bull? 🤔
@@Real28max will win the WDC. Lando won’t win all the remaining races. Max is better then Lando
@@ribeqahhi mean yeah but when did he mention that
Oscar Piastri 7/10, seriously? He finished 27 seconds behind Lando, do I need to say more? You would expect him to easily overtake Charles and then potentially hunt down Verstappen but no, he was nowhere close. And in qualy he was half a second behind Norris. Honestly really rubbish weekend for Piastri, should not get more then a 4/10
No brainer 10 for Lando. He gapped Oscar hard this weekend.
What more could Max have done to get a 10? He maximised everything in both qualifying and the race. Even was leading the race for 17 laps. The red bull was clearly the 3rd fastest car on race day and he got himself 18 points. If this was any other driver they would've gotten a 10 easily.
"Bcs he did still finish 4th" are we judging their finish position, or the actual drive.
This weekend was so bad that I haven't seen a single person even TALK about Piastri since this race. Piastri built up so much hype from his fanbase in the 2-3 races upto summer break, to the point where I had to take a break from McLaren and F1 social media (as a McLaren fan since the 2000s) bcs I got sick of the constant toxic Lando-Oscar arguments. Since the Netherlands, I havent seen a SINGLE comment about Oscar being better than Lando. It was a dreadful weekend from Oscar, ESPECIALLY by his standards. Love him and hope he finds it back in Monza, but my god it was poor.
Anyways, thanks you guys for the content even tho im convinced you guys just try to wind up your community at this point (if so, i rate the shuthousery) 😭😭
There was so much “Piastri will be the lead McLaren” talk that completely vanished after 1 race
I like Oscar, but Lando is criminally underrated
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Lando's fans overrate him miles, and Lando's non-fans underrate him miles. I honestly think Lando (being 2 years younger than Max) has the potential to get to Maxes level by the time he's 26/27 (Maxes current age). Bcs all he has to do is cut out 1/2 pressured mistakes, as well as find generally 1/2 tenths too. Considering how fast developing Lando has been in his career, that is achieveable, especially when you realise Max was in the exact same spot in 2021, he made 1/2 too many pressyred mistakes. As well as that, I think people forget Oscar is already 22, only 2 years younger than Lando. He's got to find A LOT of consistency and make his current best drives, his standard, if he wants to lead McLaren. He cannot have races like China, where he's 40 seconds off Lando and 10 seconds behind after 14 laps, or Spain where he's P7 while Lando's frustratingly close to winning, or Dutch where he's 30 seconds off Lando and failing to make the podium while Lando dominates. Bcs ultimately, Lando hasn't had ANY drives like that while Oscar was finishing on the top step or on the podium.
@@bill4665
Norris impresses me because his overall pace for maybe 2-3 seasons now has been electric
In 2022, that McLaren had no right even being near Alpine and yet he was the one who finished 7th in the standings and very nearly dragged the team to P4. This is in car with no notable strengths lmao
He’s also pretty consistent, he banks 8/10 performances most races for the better part of 4 years. Imo he’s been in the top 3 drivers on the grid in 2021, 2023, and obviously this season
He’s not quite up there with Max, however he has so many different skills which keep him in contention
1) He’s a strong qualifier- Never been out-qualified by a teammate in his career and has a ridiculous Q3 appearance %
2) Incredibly clean and consistent driver, 6 year career in the midfield, only 1 avoidable contact penalty and not many crashes
3) His race pace is among the best on the grid, able to bank consistent laps, almost always moves forward as a race progresses
4) His tyre management is excellent, he’s able to run quick laps without hurting the tyres, keeps them sharp until the end
5) His racecraft is phenomenal, he can put on a clinic of precise overtakes, race wheel to wheel for multiple laps, or put on a masterclass defense (Silverstone last season)
6) He’s excellent in wet conditions, put on second on the field in China sprint quali and was absolutely flying in Canada
Now that he’s winning races fans will realize the talent he’s got. He’s right there with Leclerc as the best non-Max driver
7 for piastri is quite generous. remember hungary when norris was practically convinced by the pitwall that giving piastri a win along with 7 points was gonna win "piastri's favor" and his help with lando's championship fight against verstappen? well lando had over a 70 point gap to close and in zandvoort, mclaren had by far the quickest car so where was piastri's help?
this drive deserves nothing more than a 5. failed to qualify on the front row (when lando pulled 3 tenths on verstappen) and failed to fulfill his duty to help norris (essentially just snubbing the win). i was never to keen on hyping piastri rather i just sat back while everyone glazed him and i would let him do his talking on track in order to truly rate him fairly. quite frankly, if lando still believes in his chances of being world champion, he should just walk over piastri and ignore any and all future team orders that benefit piastri over himself.
How did Lando go this week walking all over Piastri?
Sorry I’m just fed up with you guys with this.
You never mentioned when DR would cop the terrible strategy, Yuki would drive *brilliantly*…
Danny has the exact opposite happen and you have to qualify your scores because Yuki has a bad one?
Not watching these anymore. It’s maddening.
Exactly. Even though they gave Daniel a better score this round, they talked about the terrible strategy for Yuki when they don't really say it for Daniel, from my memory on their past videos. Anyway! I only skip to my favorite drivers now. I can't watch the whole video anymore.
It is rather frustrating isnt it. Dont know how Oscar is getting away with P4 in a car that was 22 seconds clear of Verstappen (with pace in hand judging from a fastest lap on 40 lap old tyres), and also failed to pass a car that was ONE SECOND off the McLaren's pace in Quali, while having a tyre advantage on Leclerc. Finishing 3rd, that's a 6-7 at a push, but FOURTH? thats a 4-5 at best.
@@hannaa7872 honestly felt like the most reluctant 7/10 they’ve ever given. I’m not even a DR fan, I’m a Ferrari fan! But it’s impossible not to notice they just don’t seem to like Danny, and there’s a clear bias towards Yuki. Yuki HAS been driving fantastically and had a bad race, so why on earth did they have to qualify the rating they gave Danny because Yuki had a shocker? I don’t get it.
I want them to continue doing the series but it feels like they really do have a genuine bias to some drivers and it’s just… idk. It generates views.
@@bill4665 it’s a little weird that they put such an emphasis on their scores based on context… and the context of this race is Oscar had a rough race by the high standards he’s set for himself this year. Even *he* acknowledged that. So why can’t they?
@@martininho001 Exactly.
The fact that Matt says "He still finished 4th" and Tommy says "He came away with good championship points" before giving him a 7 is jarring. We aren't rating their points or positions, we are rating their driving. And Oscar was miles off where he should be by what he's done this year and last, and comfortably below where most drivers in their 2nd years should be. He's 22 don't forget, he may only be in his 2nd year, but he isn't that much more inexperienced (overall, obviously far more inexperienced in the details of F1) than Lando who's 24.
How can they keep being so kind to piastri😭 it’s why he was 2nd/3rd in their average driver ratings. He finished half a minute off lando and that’s a 7/10 performance? Stop treating him like a rookie because he isn’t one anymore
He must of read your comment
Unpopular opinion: Max is a 10, he pushed the car as high as it would go and he overtook lando in a faster car. Lando is a 9: that car is a rocket and lando did not drive a flawless drive
Average ratings after Netherlands
Matt rating: Avg
1. Max Verstappen 9,00
2. Lando Norris 8,40
3. Oscar Piastri 8,07
4. Charles Leclerc 7,80
5. George Russell 7,60
6. Carlos Sainz 7,57
7. Lewis Hamilton 7,40
8. Nico Hulkenberg 7,33
9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,80
10. Fernando Alonso 6,60
11. Pierre Gasly 6,50
12. Alex Albon 6,27
13. Esteban Ocon 5,87
14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,87
15. Valtteri Bottas 5,67
16. Kevin Magnussen 5,27
17. Lance Stroll 5,13
18. Sergio Perez 4,87
19. Guanyu Zhou 4,53
20. Logan Sargeant 3,93
Tommy rating:
1. Max Verstappen 9,00
2. Lando Norris 8,27
3. Oscar Piastri 8,27
4. Charles Leclerc 7,87
5. Carlos Sainz 7,71
6. Lewis Hamilton 7,47
7. George Russell 7,47
8. Nico Hulkenberg 7,20
9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,73
10. Fernando Alonso 6,67
11. Pierre Gasly 6,43
12. Alex Albon 6,20
13. Esteban Ocon 6,00
14. Daniel Ricciardo 5,73
15. Valtteri Bottas 5,47
16. Lance Stroll 5,27
17. Kevin Magnussen 5,07
18. Sergio Perez 4,87
19. Guanyu Zhou 4,40
20. Logan Sargeant 4,00
Fan rating:
1. Max Verstappen 8,67
2. Lando Norris 8,53
3. Oscar Piastri 8,00
4. Charles Leclerc 7,53
5. Carlos Sainz 7,43
6. George Russell 7,40
7. Lewis Hamilton 7,27
8. Nico Hulkenberg 6,93
9. Yuki Tsunoda 6,60
10. Fernando Alonso 6,20
11. Alex Albon 6,13
12. Pierre Gasly 6,07
13. Daniel Ricciardo 5,53
14. Esteban Ocon 5,33
15. Kevin Magnussen 5,33
16. Valtteri Bottas 5,20
17. Lance Stroll 5,13
18. Sergio Perez 4,87
19. Guanyu Zhou 4,47
20. Logan Sargeant 4,20
The fact that in the fan rating Lando is close to Max is such a joke. Max would have at least 8 wins in that Mclaren, the Mclaren now has been the best car for the MOST races and Max still leads by 70 points...
For the same reason, Piastri ahead of Charles is ridiculous. He is stull behind Charles in the championship and had a freaking rocketship on at least 5 races so far, Ferrari had that on literally 0 tracks.
I think some drivers like Piastri and Yuki are treated as 'rookies' even though they aren't which gives them higher grades when they do badly
Logan's people rating... Nice
@@pedro.gandra tbf Leclerc had a pretty bad start because sainz outperform him the first couple of races making him look worst then he probably was. Just to name some Australia, Japan and Bahrain outperform by sainz. And the max rating could be explained by Australia where a lot of people gave him a 1 because he didn't finish the race. But obviously the Lando rating is a joke he probably is barely top 3 drivers this year with the best car for the last 11 races with just 2 wins.
The amount of people i saw in the F1 IG comments saying “anyone else not happy that Lando won the race”. I don’t understand the random Lando hate
Its the popular thing to do rn the same way it was to hate max and before him lewis
Everyone loves to hate Lando at the moment
I don't understand the random Lando love. He was superb this weekend, fully deserving of a 10 out of 10. But so many other times he could have done a bit better but still gets the fan vote for driver of the day.
Winner will always get hate mate. Having said that Lando somehow changed since Miami, he kind of got that "I can do nothing wrong" mentality all off a sudden maybe the air got inside his head 😮
Love listening too you guys!
But honestly, you should give it try yourselves... Listen to your drivers summary and try to "mentally beep out" the drivers name and point tally - and you would give absolutly different grades...
"Outqualified teammate, won some places on the start, fought successfully against better cars, but dropped back by questionable 2 stopp due to horrendous car" -> 5.
"Didn't have a great weekend, got beat by teammate handily in qualy, lost positions and couldn't pass slower cars, finished off of the podium when hes teammate dominated the race. Overall one of his weaker weekends" -> 7
Doesnt make sense!
Similar story for yuki, ocon, perez etc.
So much bias (towards points finishes and pity for perez etc)
I agree with the general sentiment in the comments here, you guys really missed the mark with a lot of these rating. I'm a huge yuki fan, but he was slow this weekend, lost positions on pure pace and chewed his tyres much harder than his teammate. And then giving Oscar a 7 for what might well be his worst performance of his F1 career so far? He missed the podium in easily the best car on the grid. That's a 4 at best. And I have to imagine you didn't actually watch Bottas' drive at all, he was really performing in that tractor, yet you gave him a 5??? What more are you expecting from anyone in that car?
Matt's Kmag hate is kinda annoying sometimes lol
You give charles a 10 but dont give lewis a 10 for his hungary performance when he got the absolute maximum and defended vs verstappen who was in a faster car? These ratings are crazy or your bias against hamilton is next level lmao.
Bro, that man gave hamilton a 6 for the same reason he gave Riccardo a 7 for. Need I say more. 😂😂😂
Still convinced you two are sponsored by Yuki Tsunoda.He is absolutely shocking, yet you will never say it or give him the rightful 1 or 2 he almost always deserves.
Just checked, they gave him a 5 lmao
Guess 4 of those points were just for starting the race
this is based off the whole weekend and not just the race, we can all agree yuki did a shitty race but quali included, he definitely desserved a 5, we could argue wether or not they are biased towards yuki because they rarely mentions when ricciardo has a stupid strategy but saying that yuki is shocking and that he almost always deserves a 1 or 2 is being absolutely dishonest
@@Duval-In-The-Wall in a much better car than Zhou and does a very similar job most weeks and still averages about 4 more out of 10 than him.
@@treapyoney5886 what should he get for driving slowly throughout, finishing near the back most weeks in a car that is capable of finishing in the points? An average of around 7 every week they give him for being awful!!
@@treapyoney5886 he doesn't deserve 5 for quali either. Just p13 is where he qualified
the erasure of carlos' overtakes is indictable
"gasly got overtaken by leclerc" AND SAINZ and that one was cooler
"norris was the only one to overtake a car with similar pace" AND SAINZ ON PEREZ
Ok so Tommy gave Lando a 5 for Spa for out qualifying his team mate then losing out at the start and then got stuck in Max's DRS for the rest of the race. The same happens with Oscar in Zandvoort and he gets a 7? He was half a second behind Lando in quali as well!
I'm so glad everyone in the comments seem to finally be sick of all the Piastri bias. That performance was a 5 at best, most overrated driver by far right now
" most overrated driver by far right now" that is a wild statement.
7 for piastri is insane 0,5 Slower than his teammate p 4 in a car that finished p1 with a 22 s lead. If his Name would be Perez he would be getting a 1. a 7 should be an Above avg Race but he didnt Even had an avg race
Piastri finished 27 seconds behind his teamate half sec behind in quali and gets a 7?
What the fuck?
Zhou got a 2!
they don’t have a clue i’m pretty sure they just randomise
@@yellow123yellow2 Nah they just have hard bias
OMFG You even make excuses for Tsunoda when Dani smoked his lap times too. FFS
Giving anyone else other than Charles driver of the day is downright criminal. He rang every ounce of performance out of the car. He held off Oscar who was in a faster car with 9 lap newer tires, and finished on the podium less than 5 seconds behind Max.
Charles and Max both did well and maximise there points. Driver of the day is a farce!!!!! It's just who the public feels sorry for and 99% of the time it's Norris. He can finish in 20th in the best car on the grid and still be in contention for driver of the day 😂😂😂 😂 😂 😂 😂😂😂😂
lol I don’t get the pisatri hype. Personally an Albion fan but idk how u give pisatri a 7? If it was anyone else this weekend but him we would be ridiculing him? 4-5 maximum if that was lando he get a 4-5. He quali half a second behind his teammate and was horrendous in the race and couldn’t pass with fresher tires when lando showed he could on worse tires. Also the McLaren was the quickest car by far lando put 20 seconds on the field and pisatri could do nothing. I’m sorry that’s a horrible grade no where near a 7. Literally seen this but with max and Perez this exact situation u guys gave him a 5-6 but when it’s pisatri u guys give him 7-8 for the same horrible drive. Sorry don’t get this future pisatri hype he’s getting killed in quali and the races.
The fan vote was a 7 aswell so I don't quite know why you typed this essay
@@callummoran6497 what does the fan vote have anything to do with what I said lmao
@@robhardin8933i completely agree, I feel for Lando as he has utterly destroyed his teammate and if it were the other way round, he would be getting crazy abuse 5/10 for Piastri max
@robhardin8933 everything in that seems targeted towards saying the boys are being stupid and biased and yet the fan average is the same for all of the drivers you just said, so are you saying the fan vote is wrong aswell?
West Brom Albion fan or Brighton and Hove Albion fan?
Hold up - how does Logan warrant a 3? That performance literally lost him his seat - that surely must be a case for a 0 if ever there was 🤣
Clearly they recorded this before the news came out
I mean, he was going to lose his seat regardless so I don't even think it's even worth knocking him down more.
tbf he didn’t have an atrocious race, still finished ahead of 4 drivers. 0 would imply it was a complete non-starter.
Losing his seat is “literally” a cumulative result of his season. It was not because he finished 16th, ahead of 4 other drivers, 2 behind his teammate, gaining 2 spots in the race, for a 9th place team. The rating for the race is based on performance in the race. He had a very typical race for him, a 3. Maybe even a 4. For this race. Which is what a race rating represents.
@@robertsay4374 Not true. Logan lost his seat from him constantly crashing his car and making up damage costs, not for a lack of performance. He started p18 unable to qualify, and finished p16 ahead of 4 others after keeping tsunoda behind for 30 laps even with tsunoda's tyre advantage. If anything for the car he has for keeping tsunoda behind, he deserved a 5 or more
Pumping points to Piastri is funny at this point. He finished 25 seconds behind his teammate. Perez finished 17 seconds behind his teammate ffs. Piastri was awful
Everyone in the comments complaining that Oscar got a 7 but in the video "the fans gave Oscar a 7 as well". Are these Patreon voters? Is the perception there different from the YT comment section?
Piastri was graded way to easily. Absolutely insane to finish 30 seconds behind Norris, and qualify half a second off. If this was Perez people would shit on him so hard and Piastri gets a 7? Ridiculous.
To be honest Perez was never a 7 either? Way off of Max, behind 2 Ferrari's probably would have been beaten by Russell too if he hadn't pitted.
6 for Hamilton is a bit harsh. Piastri's my dude but he was way off of Norris pace
I know this is a very small thing but I feel if Matt is going to give Carlos a 8 he should have given Charles a 9 like the fans, or Give Charles a 10 and give Carlos a 9, I don't think Charles was 2 points better than Carlos, and this also affects the averages for the end of season ratings
Really happy to see Gasly's perfomance get the recognition it deserves. His overtakes around the outside of T1 never got old.
Piastri was a straight 5 c’mon, he wasn’t even on the podium with the same new parts as Norris on that incredible McLaren, be less silly guys
This will get the people going in the comments so let’s talk about it. In my opinion… Yuki and Logan are almost identical in racing skill. If they had the same machinery every race I think Logan may even be better than Yuki.
You're saying you're not taking Lando's previous poor starts in account when rating him for this race but will boost Perez' score because it's a better performance compared to his recent form? He qualified 4 tenths behind his teammate, finished 17 seconds behind Max in the race and had no business finishing behind 2 ferraris. He deserves a 6 at best, more likely a 5.
Agreed, I still think thats generous. Perez would have maybe been beaten by Russell too if he hadn't pitted.
Piastri in his second year - solid performance, not overrated
no he's supposed to be a WDC material, he should already be beating Norris who is "overrated". For reference in his second year Charles was making a 4 time world champions looks silly and in his first year, Hamilton was in par with 2 times world champion Fernando Alonso. But since i know you guys can't stop using the " it's OnLY hIs SeCoNd YeAr " excuse, Oscar has completed almost 40 races, at certain times, it would already be his third season close to be his fourth
@@treapyoney5886 No, he shouldn't be beating Lando as Lando is a very experienced F1 driver while Oscar is still learning in his second season. He'll be ready in his 3rd or 4th season to battle for the title.
@@JC-lu4se How do you explain what Charles was able to do to a much more experienced driver in his second year? Same for Lewis in his first year. As i said in my initial comment, Piastri is about to complete 40 races, and at certain period it would've already been his third seasons...
@JC-lu4se He beat him this week and all of UK have thrown their teddy bears out the cradle
I would give max 10/10. He pretty much drove as well as that redbull would allow.
Much love guys!! Always look forward to the videos. Safe travels in October.
Can you rate the Race as a whole at the and ?
Also with a grade from 1-10 would be very exiting to see
Greeting’s from Switzerland
A 7 for Oscar after finishing nearly 30 seconds behind his teammate is criminal rating.
Stop holding Oscar to a different standard than lando and then say oscar is better than lando. Both can't be true
I feel if lando finished P4, he would receive a lower grade. Seems generous to Oscar. For me, it’s a 5 for Oscar. Guess you have different standards for both lando and Oscar
7 is high but it does make sense to have different standards, Oscar's second year.
Oscar is definitely 6 or lower. 7 is a good performance like cmon guys.
you two make me so happy, your positive attitudes are infectious. Keep up the great work!
5:40 I actually thought he had a slow stop, may have been someone else, and I just assumed its Sauber (for obvious reasons)
I was the Zhou defender, but I agree he had a race to forget, to put it nicely
Edit: I am proud to be a Zhou defender, and also really good ratings list
I thought the mid season driver rating was bizarre in scoring Piastri above Norris. Yes Piastri is strong but on balance he hasn’t had the outright speed in races compared to Norris. He’s also made more mistakes overall.
This is pure hypocrisy. Piastri gets 8 for finishing 4th in a car that gapped the field by 20 seconds. Sainz gets an 8/9 because he did good in the race. George gets a 7 for going backwards and ending a few seconds before his teammate who started 14. So why does Lewis only get a 6 when he made up 1 more place than sainz from where he started? Like why is it that sainz gets praised for qualifying as badly as lewis did and lewis gets talked down on? I can’t watch this trash anymore 🤦🏾♂️
They are consistent, I always agree with half of their grades.
How is Zhou only a 2? He had to drive 1 handed so that he could hack the graphics to put Bottas on the podium, what a team player! Deserves at least a 6 for that
Driver ratings time :D. Lando 10/10, Charles 10/10. How did he undercut two people.
Lando P1 of course!
Lando was a 9 at best.. Dominant car, lost a place off the start... Not a perfect race and a 10 out of 10 should be a perfect race... get it together boys
He literally won by 25 seconds
Ahh there it is again. Charles gets 2 points more than Sainz from matt because he finished 2 positions lower. Yet in the races where charles (by his OWN mistaken) finishes outside the points he still gets high sympathy points and ”you have to look at the bigger picture” type of treatment. Thing is, it is hypocritical when you do this every time your favourite driver screws up but not ever with anybody else.
Carlos had traffic in quali, simple as that. Not to mention barely Any practice time. No pace difference to Charles and a worse strategy and yet 5 positions gained and finished only 7 seconds behind, but still a 2 points difference…
Tommy is real
This episode is brought you by Matt breathing in the mic lol
TSU's was just like.. what happened!
Just kinda blinked and he was miles away
I have an opinion on your hulkenberg kmag grading.
You criticise kmag for being a roadblock and playing the team game, but in the next breath praise hulk for an excellent strategy.
Both their strategies are 2 halves of the whole Hass. Without Kevin being a douche bag hulk’s drive would have been a very different affair. He’d just be down in 16th looking like a numpty. Kmag is the only reason hulk is getting points
I would give Oscar 5, Max 10, Logan 1, Yuki 6, Daniel 6 and George 8.
Oscar relative to car he had, performed very poorly.
Max maximized his weekend, he even got the lead at start but it wasn't enough.
Logan cost Williams millions of dollars and didn't anything especial in the race.
Yuki qualified better than Daniel and only finished behind him because of strategy.
George was in P5 and Mercedes pit him for no good reason costing him 2 positions, otherwise he had a pretty solid weekend.
Very kind to Tsunoda, which suggests you didn't watch the race.
@@dodgemf1 It suggest exactly opposite of that, you just look at the finishing position, I pay attention to what actually happened in the race.
@Ramtinss so you watched Logan Sargeant overtake Tsunoda, then Yuki failed to do the same for the entirety of the race? Finished 40+ seconds behind his teammate, and was 0.8 seconds slower per lap. Such a poor performance negates any slight advantage he had gained from qualifying.
Carlos for me 9.5/10 🔥😮💨
Sainz overrated like always. Indeed he had a great recovery but no way how he gets more than a 8 after he finished P5 only and also didn't got into Q3.
Fr.
was also surprised. i understand that he had no dry running over practice but still only p11
Regarding the starts, Jolyon Palmer pointed out it was all about throttle application.
About the race start: it was just McLaren starting awfully. Perez lost places because he had to back out when the gap between Piastri and Russell disappeared, but he actually got off the line really well.
I’m sorry if Perez dropped that Piastri performance in THAT McLaren you’d have given him a 2.
Consistently half a second off Norris this weekend around a 75-second lap, finishing off the podium in a car 6 tenths clear of the rest.
Nah a 4th place for perez would still get him a 6 or 7
@@strexle7446 in a car 6 tenths clear of the rest beaten by a Red Bull and a Ferrari? Come on…
Sorry but you are comparing a guy that this is his 2 year in f1 with perez
A 2 for a fourth position!? Jesus Christ you have some weird hate against Mclaren😂
Both piastri and perez deserve 5 at best
13:04 Clearly you record these _well_ in advance of the release.
Yeah no shit
Leclerc should have got that DOTD !!
'Solid if not spectacular' isthe correct phrase. Tommy you are correct.
As a lando fan, before the summer break i almost started doubting him based on the starts, i understand your pain now matt, watching your favourite driver in the best car or a car that can compete for wins get shafted by strategy and making mistakes under pressure is really hard.
Why would anyone treat Lando in another way than Max? Max had a dominant car in 23 and we still commended his amazing performances. What legitimate reason is there not to do the same with Lando?
Exactly.
@@bill4665 Because those were a lot of faultess races, this race was not faultless of Norris....
@@erikvermolen8371he had as fast a reaction speed as Max in the race start. Clearly it wasn’t his doing that caused him to lose the position
@@croissantpower are you seriously trying to defend Norris bad starts??? Something he ADMITS was bad. But you seem to know better than Norris himself, rrright?! HAHAHAHA
@@croissantpower reaction speed doesnt = good start if you cant put the power down
Me watching the ratings on the bed half asleep.. "Lets quickly talk about our spon..." Me waking up in a split second and tap tap tap..
Did tommy just say lando overtake the car that has the same pace as their car 💀