I just do not get why these women don't go to the Episcopal Church. Everything they are looking for is already there, including women in the priesthood. I mean the Episcopal Church is dying on the vine because of its continuing quest to be remain "relevant" to the secular world, but hey that's beside the point.
KornettenJoel Sound from heaven as a mighty rushing wind. Filled hearts with sanging fountain of life that flows freely dry thirsty inner man. Christ the lion of Judah the lamb the oil and the wine sweet anointing your presence drawing and feeding hearts of man and you left a crimson flood. Your love so strong can't deny it to my enemies. Want them to have it to.
Rome is an outdated and tyrannical institution. And long before it became the so called Holy See, Catholics had existed and been organized in different ways. That’s what we need a return of.
@3VIANEJI I sure hope so. My grandmother knew her personally and my mom loved watching her. Even me as a kid would watch her with my mother. I was born in 2000 so it was mostly re-runs.
A church that welcomes everyone and is not an exclusive club? A church that doesn't have a pedophilia problem? A church where every child and adult is safe from fear of being raped by it's clergy? That church is one, holy, catholic and apostolic it's the Episcopal Church!
@@troyvance9533 the Catholic Church is not exclusive. Yes the Catholic church had some bad apples. But times are different now. And how can the Episcopal Church be ONE when it's a denomination of Protestantism and Catholic when youre only based in America?
I love how they say they are Roman Catholic and then the Bishop ordaining them says he broke with Rome whereby he acknowledges he left the Catholic church
The bishop along with the then newly ordained women and any other priest there present and not present who stands by these ordinations of these women and yet any women are not real committed members of the Roman Catholic Church !
The bishop does not even have the power to ordain women. It is HERETICAL and ontologically impossible. Christ said, "This is MY body," and he was male. A female cannot say, "This is MY body," when she is a women and Christ is a MAN. This is disgusting and shame on that disgraceful bishop. The Devil appears as an angel of light but is really a demon of incomprehensible horror. May God have mercy on these women's souls and enlighten them to their heresy, schism, and sacrilege, so that they may repent before it is too late! Amen.
A woman cannot stand “in persona Christe.” There really is no priest but Christ. A Catholic priest lends his voice to speak for Christ at the altar. He speaks as the groom when he says “This is My Body...” A woman cannot lend a feminine body/voice in this way. It isn’t exclusion or something “antiquated.” It simply is not possible.
@@HOSPlTALLER Wow I had never heard of the HS called the Spouse of the BVM before. I will look into that. I have heard the HS referred to as "She" a lot, as the divine feminine. You could be right about people wanting to turn Christianity into something it's not. I prefer to believe we want to turn it into something it could be. But you have a right to your opinion and I send you a blessing.
@@HOSPlTALLER Thank you, that is lovely. In the Hebrew scriptures, the word for Spirit is ruach, which is a feminine noun. I do think the loss of the vocations of sisters is extremely sad. I was just talking to a friend of mine who lives in a Carmelite monastery about how all the sisters are aging out. Let us pray for a resurrection.
Instaurare Omnia In Christo The concept now is that there are not enough priests to serve. The church has had to move with the times before (hence Vatican II). The time will come when the church will have to adjust again. Do do not diminish the contributions of women in the early church. In as much as the 12 apostles were men, women also followed Christ and were among those that helped establish the Church. There may have been 12 apostles, but it was the women that never left Jesus side when he was crucified. And it was to a woman that he first made himself known when he arose from the dead. All I’m saying is since there are a lack of priests, there is already a petition at the Vatican to allow women to be ordained. Whether this will be allowed in the future will depend again with the needs of the times and the need to adapt. The Catholic Church has already lost so many followers to other religions, that this adaptation may happen in the future. And btw, do not ever question my standing as a Catholic again. Only a “mean” person would do such a thing. And that is very Un-Catholic. Try to practice “Love Thy Neighbor”.
Instaurare Omnia In Christo There is no need to shout. As I said earlier, it is not for you to judge. And stop calling me evil. Seriously, what is wrong with you?! I thought we are having a reasonable academic discussion, then you resort to name calling and shouting! ( that’s what all caps mean). But you know what, I know what it means to be a good Catholic. And that means respecting and loving other people even if you may have a different opinion. These issues are taken up at the Vatican and the Pope’s decisions I do respect. But honestly, it does not mean that I cannot have an opinion. Even the Pope Francis allows for healthy discussion. Let me give you something to think about..... when you name-call other people, when you try to bully them online for a discussion, when you do not practice tolerance and love.... that is making room for the devil. Think about that and your actions. I will return to you your statement- “Why don’t you sit down and think about this.”
Jeff Mayfield Sound from heaven as a mighty rushing wind. Filled hearts with sanging fountain of life that flows freely dry thirsty inner man. Christ the lion of Judah the lamb the oil and the wine sweet anointing your presence drawing and feeding hearts of man and you left a crimson flood. Your love so strong can't deny it to my enemies. Want them to have it to.
@@SoldierOfGod778 are you currently in the ELCA? Have you considered the LCMS or WELS? They should be more confessional as well as having a more serious view of scripture
@@SoldierOfGod778 I never even considered you could be from another country, forgive my ignorance. I do appreciate talking and may Gods peace be with you 👍
Don't call these women Roman Catholic when they're not. I can say I'm a doctor and would operate on you, but would you let me touch you since I have no license to practice medicine? So don't freaking call these women Roman Catholic when you know full well the Catholic Church doesn't recognize them. This is bad journalism. I would say it's even unethical because you're purposely misleading the ignorant.
Ben Solo Saying that they are Roman Catholic implies that they are in full communion with the Catholic church and practice their faith according to the Latin Rite. However, the video explicitly says that the bishop who started this movement broke ties with Rome. They are not practicing Catholics.
Jeremy Roper so why they calling themselves Roman they are just Catholics not Roman Catholics they're against the Roman rules and rites there's many Catholics out there that are not Roman because they don't like Rome's authority 😂 for example Anglican communion they don't like Rome so they built their own church but the rites are Catholic.
Ben Solo There are more Rites or practicing communities under the umbrella of the Catholic Church. The Roman Rite is just one of many, but all agree on major beliefs to include the succession of the apostles, the authority that comes with it (the magesterium) and the primacy of Peter (and the chair/papacy). With that in mind, the various customs and traditions that look very foreign to that of the Roman church exist, but are validly Catholic (connected with the rest of the church in faith). If memory serves me right, The Anglicans separated under the catalyst of the issue of Henry the 8th wanting an annulment, and having after been denied and rediculed for seeking divorce and remarriage, he sought a way to marry again without causing uproar. A few dead wives later and foaming over the Pope's admonishment, he took steps with the Archbishop of Canterbury to separate the Church of England from the Universal Church, later falling in line with the protestant reformation movement on the European sub-continent. The Anglicans are not Catholic. They are protestants, in the traditional sense of the word, because they protest against the church.
Because they. have an axe to grind. Like the “catholic” priests and bishops that encourage their behavior, they are anything but catholic. For them, this is a game to be won. Although they KNOW that Christ chose MEN to lead his Church, they think they know better than Christ not by their words but by their actions. They refuse to see all that women, in their capacity, have done for the Church. They think these great woman like the Mother of God, St. Teresa of Avila, etc. didn’t know better and were subservient. That is how they justify their actions.
Facundo L. They cannot be priests. It was stated many times by the Bible and the Church. It's just as men cannot be nuns, women cannot be priests. It's not against women, in fact women were probably more capable in the New Testament, but they just are not recognized. Stop trying to bring radical feminism into Christianity
Aihpos Eirebrabed Women can be priests and can be very good priests. The other churches, especially the Episcopalians and Anglicans are showing us just that. So why don't you try to offer me a reasonable valid arguement as to why no, huh? For centuries the Church said that Latin was the ONLY language for the liturgy and 500 years after the reformation they've changed their minds and agreed they were wrong. Same thing will happen with Female Priests. It inevitable for the logical sensible future of the Church and of the Christian religious traditions
Aihpos Eirebrabed Also, I would definitely Not call myself a radical Feminist! Nope and no not at all! Some things of that are really negative and problematic. However, I am a Classical Feminist.
Facundo L. Please I have no intention to argue why i might be right or wrong. I follow the teachings I think are correct and I was just in an extremely rude argument with a trolling atheist. I believe what I think is right and what I have done research on. If you want to know a little example look up 1 Corinthians 14:34. And a RUclips comment won't change my opinion. Women becoming priests is outrageous and unnatural. If you want to honor God you don't need public approval. Become a nun. And women were meant to reproduce. It was a gift from God, but if women were to become priests they would be married to the church (which is called the bride of Christ) and they wouldn't be able to marry anyone else. They may call themselves Priests of the Catholic Church but they are not Catholics. It's like me calling myself a surgeon when I am but a nurse. Believe what you want to believe but there is a really good chance the Catholic Church will never recognize them as actual priests, nor will God
@Reino de Hiperbórea how many churches did Christ found? Then tell me which of the heretical Protestant denominations is the right one, who founded it, why it is the correct Church of Christ, where it was founded and where it can be found today, when it was founded, and how we know it is the correct one and the others aren’t.
They mentioned that the movement was started by Rómulo Antonio Braschi who is not in communion with Rome at all. That being said all the women he’s ordained are independent Catholics, not Roman Catholics. They are Protestants like he is, and the women “bishops,” are also Protestants. This isn’t a Roman Catholic, or an eastern catholic group at all!
Women can bring a lot to the Catholic church, but not through the priesthood. Women are not to be priests. Jesus picked twelve men. How clearer can His action be? TWELVE MEN! Not His Mother, not Mary Magdeline, No!, twelve men. What these women are doing is selfish, and damaging other souls. The demise of these souls, these women will have to answer to God Himself! Woe to them, for leading God's children astray!
This is abomination, you see mother Mary has her role alongside a specific special way, the nuns also but this,no no no god have mercy end times is now 😱😱😱
twisted wolf legacy Hell is a very hot place where the fire never ends and the torment never ceases. You joined Satan when you left the Church behind. Your reward is coming.... sooner or later. Christopher Hitchens (atheist) died too after spewing his hatred of God for quite some time. What makes you any different?
Sad. They have accepted the lies of satan and in their pride have rejected Jesus by rejecting the laws of His Church, preferring instead their own laws. God have mercy!
Wrong! The male deacon is the representative of Christ and the female deacon is the representative of the Holy Spirit, according to 3rd century A.D. Didascalia!
@@Eilbheis No, the heretic is YOU! And all the wolves in sheep's clothing, false prophets and false teachers, that Christ warned about!!! There were female deacons from 1st century until the 13th century. Phoebe was a deacon, according to Saint Paul, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Didascalia, Apostolic Constitutions, and etc!!! It's time to remove misogynistic males from the priesthood who by the way are also pedophiles and pedarasts! Saint Paul stated that elders who lie and do other sins must be removed, shunned, and excommunicated! Yet "popes" always protect them and it is "popes" who refuses to restore women to priesthood and especially to the diaconate which they removed them from for vile reasons such as menstruation, women are inferior humans, women are stupid and etc!!! If menstruation is evil and those things are true about women, then why did the Father and why did the Holy Spirit ( btw feminine gender, according to Genesis and Didascalia) allow Christ to be born of Virgin Mary the Blessed and to be raised by her?! Why send Mariam (sister of prophet Moses) as a prophet and allow her to enter the tabernacle??!! Why send Deborah as a prophet and allow her to be Judge during Judges period??!! Why send Bathsheba as Queen Mother, to share in the rule of her son King-Prophet Solomon to whom he bowed, during the Monarch's period (or King's period; misogynistic label)??!! Why send Athaliah as Queen regnant during Monarch's period??!! Why send Huldah as prophet??!!
The name of this video incorrectly, the bishop himself says he cut his ties with the Catholic Church. This is a heresy. They are excommunicated in so facto.
So the men AND WOMEN at the Church Councils were also confused when they changed the age of women deacons from 40 to 60 making ordination of women deacons a fact??!! SO Church Father Gregory the Archbishop of Constantinople(4th century) was also confused in writing that Theosebia is a deacon and priest??!! So Christians were confused from 1st century to 13th century to ordain women as deacons??!! Which by the way is when the English males invented coverture (wives become property of husband when they marry and the property of the wife becomes the property of the husband) while Prophet Job gave his daughters equal land and property as his sons and for 1200 years Christian wives kept their property separate from husband by law.
An Episcopalian cannot be a Roman Catholic and that's the truth and reality. Roman Catholic Church has NO AUTHORITY to ordain women to priesthood. Even during Jesus's time, He only had apostles who are men, NOT women. There is NO SUCH THING as PRIESTESS in a Roman Catholic Church. Priestesses are in cults NOT in Roman Catholic Church! So do not mix it up, please. Thank you.
This is heretical and schismatic, they are not Roman Catholic. They can call themselves what ever they want, but not Roman Catholic. This is against the teachings of Christ. When you go against those teachings you are not Christian. This is a a man made religion .
Liz Perrott I couldn't care less about official church dogma and theology but I will still try to sway from topic by calling people bigots for not willing to woo me into church and change the way they operate is what I see all over your comment
"We're Roman Catholic! We just reject everything the Church teaches." No. They are not Roman Catholic. They are not priests in the Roman Catholic Church. They were not "called by the Holy Spirit" to this path, the devil maybe. It's not just Church Law the forbids women from being ordained into the priesthood, it's also Biblical. If they reject the Bible and the Church on this, what else do they reject? I'd love to hear their beliefs on abortion and divorce. Cannon Law and multiple ecclesiastical councils have made this clear, women can not be ordained deacons, priests or bishops. If they had a religious calling it would have brought them to the convent. This is an abomination to 2000 years of Catholicism. At the end when they are all standing hands raised and everyone is applauded, how is that glorifying God? It's narcissistic "look at me." We don't applaud human achievement in God's house. Pray that they repent, and pray for their souls.
The Roman Catholic Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women. Women cannot be ordained. Ordination is a Sacrament, and the 7 Sacraments were established by Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church does not have the authority to change what Christ Himself established .
As per Pope Francis' new decree (Jun 2, 2021) Cannon 1379 "Both a person who attempts to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive the sacred order, incur a latae sententia excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; a cleric, moreover may be punished by dismissal from the clerical state." The Catholic Church does NOT have female priests.
@@mikegallant811 The Bible clearly tells us that God is unchanging. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8) Malachi 3:6 says, “I am the Lord, and I do not change…” While everything around us is changing, we can depend on God continually showing us His grace, love, and compassion.
@@Non-nt5ln I mean, what if Jesus feels differently nowadays about women in the priesthood. That sort of thing. Does the Son of our living God not have a right to change his mind about things?
Yeah…no they weren’t ordained. And, they didn’t “respond to the call of the Holy Spirit”. They responded to the call of the father of lies. These women just played dress up and insulted God and His Holy Bride. Pray for these women (and the men who enabled this mockery) that their sin of pride will be confessed and that they will make themselves right with Almighty God. It’s pathetic.
Thinking you have a vocation is something actually being called to a vocation is something else, I have received my vocation I have to say that *I don't want to be a priest* but I know God is calling me, I cannot deny his will. He called me through dreams, reflections and even by other people just telling me I will be a good priest some day. These woman... Feminists thought only because they wanted is God's will, I never seen any where in the Bible that states if I want something it must be God's will to do so.
@@adinameyer8367Why am I not surprised that someone like you would insult an *actual* ordained member of the clergy? He can actually forgive sins and confect the Eucharist. The gals can’t do any of that. You’re so typical, it’s boring…lol.
@@tigertim6485 says a nobody with absolutely no power to declare this. 😂(don’t agree with the pope but he’s still the pope and you’re a schismatic/ Protestant) good day
"For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables", 2 Timothy 4:3-4.
Thea Faber Why so harshly judgemental.Why can't women be priests. Are they only to cook,clean and do the male priests laundry. Remember your mother and sister or those females you love. Do they not deserve society with God given abilities.
Richard Rodrigues The apostles were all men,if God wanted women as priests I'm sure halve of the apostles would have been women.I'm a woman myself,but I still can't imagine women as priests.
Let us rather not judge them so easily. Let's wait what the Church authorities has to say regarding ordaining 'women-priests.' I honestly find it strange, though.
Do not believe everything you watch on you tube. This is not the Catholic Church I know. There will never be a women's priest in the Catholic Church with the help of God.
I am a woman but honestly this is complete stupidity & utter nonsense. 😐Women need to learn when to stand up & fight & when to listen & gain grace by it. Christ Himself lowered to be a human taking on our complete nature, inspite of being the WORD through whom God created us. Alas! Even examples of such humility does not knock sense into most of us coz we are so full of ourselves. 😒
Marc J ..sir .im a catholic...im curious to know why not women priests...im hav bee searching for answers ....even pope is not giving. satisfactory ans..only thing dat dey say is jus because jus bcoz of twelve wer men ....its suppose to be men ..dat dey shud be ordainded as priests... we knw frm history dat women wer considered as sec citizens .dat der testimonys wer considerd not valid...may be bcoz of dat jesus selected men to do it... But now things have changed...i believe men and women are equal in gods eyes...dis is wat i believe...pls help me sir ..i believe der is n ans for dat..i need to get a logical ans
How do we know who he invited and who wasn't mentioned in descriptions in scripture written only by men who only recogised each other. Jesus invited Judus to the last supper does that mean all traitors are OK? Aso remember it was a woman He appeared to after he rose, that would suggest she was higher in his esteem than male apostles most of whom ran away or denied Him to avoid capture!
The Vatican has made Mary Magdalene an Apostle, in fact she was venerated recently by Pope Frances to be the Apostle to the Apostles. aleteia.org/2016/06/10/mary-magdalene-apostle-to-the-apostles-given-equal-dignity-in-feast/
Who cares if it is not recognised by the Catholic Church. What matters is that their ordination is recognised by GOD. And it is clear that the Spirit, throughout history, has called women as well as men to he priesthood, whether or not a misogynistic monstrosity of a Church has ignored that call. If you disagree, please tell us all how you, a mere woman, and a member of a Church that is peopled by mere humans, can second-guess the Holy Spirit and whom he may or may not call, and, when he clearly calls women, by what authority you can tell the Holy Spirit that He is somehow wrong?
"what matters is that their ordination is recognized by God" Well, if that is the case, than anyone can be ordained all they have to do is say the magic words
Kevin Frankland They are calling themselves Catholic women priests? Oh what a terrible thing! (Note a hint of sarcasm there). 'Catholic' (katholikos) means 'universal' and therefore these women, called, that call discerned as genuine and then ordained, are priests within Christ's church. Period. And before you claim that they are not "Catholics" as YOU know them, I suggest you read some of the facts about the Catholic Church and the way that many Chuches call themselves "Catholic" with the authority to do so, but which are not part of YOUR misogynistic gang. Churches such as: American National Catholic Church Apostolic Catholic Church Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church Catholic Mariavite Church Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association Fraternité Notre-Dame Mariavite Church (not to be confused with the Catholic Mariavite Church) Old Catholic Church Old Roman Catholic Church Palmarian Catholic Church Philippine Independent Church Polish National Catholic Church Rabelados, traditionalist Catholics in Cape Verde Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church National Catholic Apostolic Church in the United States And many others. What you need, Mister, is an education.
They're spoiling the Catholic Church, being a good Catholic in the church they should not have these type of desires priestly ordination plz study about canon law what says, if you wish to be a good Catholic become a good nun
CANON 1379 provides that “both a person who attempts to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive the sacred order, incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See,” and that the one who attempts to ordain a woman “may be punished by dismissal from the clerical state.”
I'm a woman and I don't agree with women priests. Male and female have their roles and the priesthood is for men All life begins initially with the father.
The Roman Catholic Church has a Theology called "in persona Christi" Meaning that the priest is in the person of Christ. A woman cannot fulfill this ministry. I don't say I agree with this theology, but I respect it. And I imagine you were aware of this before you began arguing my points?
Kevin Frankland "A woman cannot fulfill this ministry." Then tell that to Nympha of Laodicia. And you had better mention it to Paul too. At the end of his letter to the Colossians, Paul goes out of his way to greet Nympha and the Church that met in her house. The practice of the early Church (that historical documents, archaeology and even secular documents support) was that householders acted as the presidents at the Eucharist, as "priests" did not even exist. Nympha was cited THREE times in the Greek of this passage as FEMALE. And is cited as the houseowner. Houseowners always presided at the Eucharist - the PRIME and DEFINITIVE function of the priest. Therefore Nympha acted 'in persona Christi' whether yo like it or not. Now, if you disagree, then tell us all (a) where the "real" priest came from every Sunday. Laodicia is a remote town in western Turkey, and even more remote in those days because of the lack of an adequate road system. I visited the ruins in 2012 and Nympha's house Church is still there. (b) why Paul did not reet the "real" church leadr and "real" priestm, shunning these in favour of a women whose pathetic role was, presumably, "making the coffee" after the service. Can you explain this supposed blatant shunning of the "real" church leader in Laodicia, but going out of his way to greet a mere insignificant women?
They are not not Roman Catholic. It’s sad they don’t understand why women aren’t priest. If you were truly Roman Catholic, you would seek to understand why. Pray the Rosary for guidance.
such a shame that people think that a title will change the outcome of what they do, Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta didn´t need a title of ´Priest´ to make a change and be a saint. What gives us women and men power is who we are as people and what we do with our talents. Legitimate power comes from our actions and words, not from our academic/profession titles. All these people are in my prayers
Following God can be done without being ordained. The Pope infallibly defined that the Church has no power to ordain women. They're not ordaining, they're excommunicating. Also it's blasphemy to call the Holy Spirit a she. This will NEVER be accepted by the Church or God. God rejects these rituals which aren't ordinations.
Intox. I wonder why people will choose to erroneously use the name of the church in their blasphemy.Please use another name in you heretic church. The magisterum has never allowed women ordination. This is not roman catholic. This is self excommunication.
Don't intepret this in a wrong manner, this Is not Catholic church.... Nowhere Catholic church accepts women proesthood. Because Catholic church Is not against feminism but to maintain the apostolic tradition that Jesus trasmeted.
Invalid ordination. Women has her own rule inside the church and helping the church evangelize the world. And that is by entering convents and become a nun. If that would be the thinking that women can be priest. Are we in the near future will accept men to be come a nun???? Priesthood is only for men for it is written " women should not have any authority over men" This ordination is invalid.
OMG!!! PLEASE.. PLEASE.. PLEASE.. THIS IS NOT ABOUT EQUALITY!!! IT IS ABOUT THE THE PROPER WAY THAT GOD CREATED. PRIESTS ARE ONLY FOR MEN!!! THAT'S WHY WE CALLED THEM FATHER!!! THANK U & GOD BLESS US ALL!!!
This title is misleading, the Roman Catholic Church does not ordain women as priests just like the Bible says, they were ordained in a heretical church! That is Not true Catholicism!
+George Gitau The Devil's Advocates? Really. So please tell us all how you alone can discern that the call of the Holy Spirit to ordination comes only to RC men (even those with an attraction to small boys). The Spirit has called these women to ordained service in the Church just as He has called many other women in history that were prevented from fulfilling that call through the intransigence of a corrupt misogynistc Church hierarchy, and just as He has clled women to ordination in other churches, with great success and with God's obvious blessing upon those churches as a result. And frankly, whether you like it or not, I believe the Holy Spirit trumps any nonsense spouted here by you, or dictated by a pope for that matter.
+MrJayguess Get your facts straight These are not roman catholics first secondly these women wanted muslims to join in prayer crosses to be removed and so on Its a disgrace
Mat Bledski A disgrace? Tell me, what is wrong in offering Muslims to join in prayer? Do they pray to a different God then? Moreover, if a cross is removed from a Church, does that mean that the Holy Spirit is removed too? Or are you placing too much emphasis on the ritualistic artifacts of a church institution rather than putting CHRIST first? The fact that you say they are 'not Roman Catholics' says far more about your own allegiances than anything else. These women are Christians first and foremost, and, if your precious man-made rules of the world's wealthiest and most corrupt organisation have been "broken", then they deserve to be broken. So please tell us all how you alone can discern that the call of the Holy Spirit to ordination comes only to RC men (even those with an attraction to small boys). The Spirit has called these women to ordained service in the Church just as He has called many other women in history that were prevented from fulfilling that call through the intransigence of a corrupt misogynistc Church hierarchy, and just as He has called women to ordination in other churches, with great success and with God's obvious blessing upon those churches as a result. I suggest you get YOUR facts straight, Mister.
***** Yes disgrace look it up Most of what you wrote was your own opinion and interpretation Women can serve God if they wish to do so, to give up their lives by his way. but to be ordained is for men only. and I bet you dare call me sexist Jesus had 12 apostles and all men. Do you claim Jesus was sexist? And your claim that preists are all pedophiles shows how much you really know. For a fun fact, the career as a priest has the lowest percentage of pediphiles than any other career, respectfully. Your obviously a protestant of some sort (theres thousands of denominations so I cant tell which one) Which means you dont know (if anything) much about Catholics If you do YOUR research through accurate history youll also find why the Catholic church is the way it is. They were the first Christians. They share nothing with Islam. Islam is a completely different religion that worships a completely different god". Taking away the crucifix and deconstructing everything Catholicism shows how much attention and respect is given to the teachings of the Church. So no you cant change everything the way you "feel " is the right way. Thats what protestants do. If you cant handle God saying something clear (though you might not agree with your views) its your choice. I dont agree with everything priests might be doing but im not condeming the church for it. Church is unable to change the substance of a sacrament. For example, a person cannot be baptized in wine, nor may a substance other than bread be used for the consecration at Mass. If invalid matter is used, then the sacrament does not take place. Likewise, since the priest acts in the person of Christ, the Church has no authority to confer the sacrament on those who are unable to represent the male Jesus Christ. Jesus never ordained women. If He did Mary would have been the finest candidate for it. Yet she wasn't. That doesn't say women did not play a key role in history because they did very much so. As for a juxtaposition, men will never be able to share the giving of life on earth. God gave women the ability to proclaim His creation on earth. That on its own is amazing. But men arn't complaining. So please get out of your ignorant mind. You probably hate reading this far, but you exaggerate what is important and what "you feel" is important. You cant make God fit into your life yet you have to fit into God's will. Now about having a community to pray together regardless of religious background is good. Releases tension between ethnic groups and gets people to work together fine. But to get rid of everything that makes a roman catholic him/herself and destroying the foundation of the mass (That Jesus proclaimed to do so) to "welcome the community for a prayer" is a disgrace. Prayer is not the highest form of adoration of God. God calls women to serve him why can't a woman accept the role of a nun for instance. There were many beautiful and enthusastic nuns I have met in my life and not one complained why she cant be at the alter. That would be egoistic and shows that more importantly status is liable then the focus on God. Priests are told that they will become Bishops. But if one word comes out that he told someone else he loses his position. Its a test. Do you care more about status within the church or do you focus on the church with God in your mind? "ritualistic artifacts" rather than the focus on Christ... hmmm really? But focusing on allowing lezbians as bishops and priests within a church is focusing on God...yes... Typical liberal thinking. "Change always good" Get out of your mind and recognise reality Ask a muslim if Jesus Christ is the same as allah They'll probably laugh in your face Islam is a religion based on the submission to God and Christianity is based on the unconditional love for God Allah shares no relationship with people Jesus is our father and we His children Anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian. I know that. The video claimed they were Roman Catholics. Very different. The man made rules were set from the beginning of the apostles and Christ. Clarify yourself please. Do your research without bias. Thanks
Mat Bledski 1. "but to be ordained is for men only. and I bet you dare call me sexist" Not at all. I call you a liar and a fool instead, and a hypocrite. 2. "Jesus had 12 apostles and all men." Wrong. Jesus had many disciples (NOT 'apostles' - they were not referred to by this name until after the resurrection). The 12 were chosen to rule over the 12 tribes of Israel, but there were many other disciples, Mary Magdalene (to whom he chose to appear FIRST after the resurrection), Mary and Martha of Bethany, Salome, and many others too. 3. "And your claim that preists are all pedophiles" I didn't. Only some of them. "I in 50 at least" I believe Pope Francis admitted? 4. "Your obviously a protestant of some sort " Not at all. I am an Anglican, a reformed Catholic Church that has thankfully abandoned the nonsense doctrines that have crept into the RCC, and which has gradually returned to the church that CHROST founded - rather than the monstrosity that the RCC has become. 5." They were the first Christians. " Wrong. The early Church were the first Christians, long before they believed in purgatory, papal infallibility, the garbage doctrines surrounding Mary and when women as well as men led worship and presided at the Eucharist - the defining priestly function. Would you lke proof of this? 6. "Islam is a completely different religion that worships a completely different god". Wrong. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the three Abrahamic religions all of which worship YHWH. Muslims revere Christ as a great prophet, and pray several times a day, which is rather more than most Catholics I have ever come cross. 7. "Taking away the crucifix and deconstructing everything Catholicism shows how much attention and respect is given to the teachings of the Church. " Great. Then let's take more crosses out, for I say "to hell with the teaching of the Church". That same Church that has been responsible for more atrocities than any other rganisation - even against its own. Better to pay attention and respect to Christ than to any monstrus organisation. 8. "If you cant handle God saying something clear (though you might not agree with your views) its your choice." You mean how scripture says we have ONE advocate with the Father - Jesus Christ, and NOT Mary, or other dead saints? You mean how scripture says we are to call no man Father - yet the RCC does just that? You mean how scripture says that when we die the faithful will go to Jesus - he even promised this on the Cross to the penitent thief, and yet you prefer to believe in purgatory? You mean how scripture says that priests and bishops should be married yet the RCC teaches the opposite? You mean how scripture says clearly that women were in ORDAINED ministry, but you prefer to claim the opposite? Shall I go on? 9. "Church is unable to change the substance of a sacrament." Rubbish. It has changed its mind on many things in the past at the whim of whatever pope is occupying Rome. 10. "Jesus never ordained women." But he never ordained men either did he. Dismissed piece of rubbish. Move on. 11." and destroying the foundation of the mass (That Jesus proclaimed to do so) " More rubbish. Jesus never claimed that the bread and wine were his literal body and blood but a *remembrance*. If you disagree, then maybe you could tell us all here how he was supposed to have offered his literal broken body and shed blood at the Last Supper *when he did not actually make that sacrofoce until the day afterwards*? Claiming ransubstantiation completely negates what he Cross stands for, you silly man. 12. "God calls women to serve him why can't a woman accept the role of a nun for instance." Many do, if they are called to that kind of service. But the Holy Spirit does call women for ordained ministry too - and has done fr two millennia whether or not that call has been honoured and the Spirit obeyed by a corrupt "Church". 13. " But focusing on allowing lezbians as bishops and priests within a church is focusing on God...yes..." Eh? Where have these lesbians come from all of a sudden? I suppose that homosexual priests are OK as long as they are male, yes? 14. Now, if you believe there were no women ordained in the Church hat Christ founded, please explain why (a) Phoebe is described by Paul as 'diakonos' - an ordained deacon (b) At the end of Paul's letter to the Colossians, Paul greets Nympha in Laodicia, the Church leader there and, as leader, the president at the Eucharists there. Nympha is a female name and Paul refers to her as "she" no less than three times. If she is not the church leader and president at the eucharists, ask yourself why Paul shuns the "real" priest or "real" church leader, and greets her (in your mind a "lesbian who should have been a nun"?) instead - the lady who made the coffee after the service? Pffft!!! Stand corrected you silly little man.
There is no Catholic seminary that would take them so they couldn't actually know what they're supposed to know in the absence of Catholic Theo. schooling and priestly formation. If they had gone through all the years of school and formation that real seminarians go through they would've understood why this wasn't legitimately possible.
All Catholics need to read JPII's Theology of the Body for a beautifully profound explanation for why women cannot ever be ordained priests. A good start is by reading Christopher West's new edition of Theology of the Body based if JPII's TOB.
This should be titled, seven women leave the Roman Catholic Church.
i wouldnt wonder if they were lesbian lol
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Its sad to see feminism trump your faith.
@@user-texgen its not though. They're excommunicated
@@JohnCenaFan6298 and that is a sad event to occur. I pray for them.
This isn't Catholicism though. It's people who aren't in communion with Rome claiming to be Catholic.
I just do not get why these women don't go to the Episcopal Church. Everything they are looking for is already there, including women in the priesthood. I mean the Episcopal Church is dying on the vine because of its continuing quest to be remain "relevant" to the secular world, but hey that's beside the point.
KornettenJoel Sound from heaven as a mighty rushing wind. Filled hearts with sanging fountain of life that flows freely dry thirsty inner man. Christ the lion of Judah the lamb the oil and the wine sweet anointing your presence drawing and feeding hearts of man and you left a crimson flood. Your love so strong can't deny it to my enemies. Want them to have it to.
@@mattmackmack9173 They are episcopal, in communion with them
Rome is an outdated and tyrannical institution. And long before it became the so called Holy See, Catholics had existed and been organized in different ways. That’s what we need a return of.
If they want pastoral roles why not become a religious sister
They are obsessed with two words, Roman Catholic, but were "ordained" in an Episcopal church. LOL
Haha.
A smear campaign it sounds. They'll answer for it in the Judgement.
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Right, thank God a Catholic Church wouldn't host them!!
Wanna be catholic lol
If a woman is "ordained" a "priest" she's no more of a priest than I am sitting here right now. - Mother Angelica
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😂😂😂😂. All these comments are funny.
@3VIANEJI me too, buddy. Me too
@3VIANEJI I sure hope so. My grandmother knew her personally and my mom loved watching her. Even me as a kid would watch her with my mother. I was born in 2000 so it was mostly re-runs.
You're not Roman Catholic. Show some integrity. Start your own religion if that is what you want but don't use the name Roman Catholic.
A church that welcomes everyone and is not an exclusive club? A church that doesn't have a pedophilia problem? A church where every child and adult is safe from fear of being raped by it's clergy? That church is one, holy, catholic and apostolic it's the Episcopal Church!
@@troyvance9533 the Catholic Church is not exclusive. Yes the Catholic church had some bad apples. But times are different now. And how can the Episcopal Church be ONE when it's a denomination of Protestantism and Catholic when youre only based in America?
@@troyvance9533 The episcopal church is filled with paedophiles and cover ups.
@@troyvance9533 you do realize that sex abuse scandals in the Anglican church *vastly* outnumber that of in the Catholic Church, right?
Troy Vance Anglican “priests” sexually abuse children at the same rate as Catholic priests.
I love how they say they are Roman Catholic and then the Bishop ordaining them says he broke with Rome whereby he acknowledges he left the Catholic church
And he also mentioned politics!
Is not for the Romen Catholic church no no , we have not woman priest .
The bishop along with the then newly ordained women and any other priest there present and not present who stands by these ordinations of these women and yet any women are not real committed members of the Roman Catholic Church !
The bishop does not even have the power to ordain women. It is HERETICAL and ontologically impossible. Christ said, "This is MY body," and he was male. A female cannot say, "This is MY body," when she is a women and Christ is a MAN. This is disgusting and shame on that disgraceful bishop. The Devil appears as an angel of light but is really a demon of incomprehensible horror. May God have mercy on these women's souls and enlighten them to their heresy, schism, and sacrilege, so that they may repent before it is too late! Amen.
"Cut his ties with Rome to begin a more progressive Church" So there not Roman Catholic. Please change the title.
It wouldn't get as many views if they change it.
@@hullie7529 especially not from Protestants looking for a fight online.
You are a crazy! You are
@@hullie7529 I would refuse to go to a "mass" celebrated by a female
Learn to spell. Your spelling gives your low intelligence away.
These woman were and are not Catholic Priests. They have been excommunicated.
A woman cannot stand “in persona Christe.” There really is no priest but Christ. A Catholic priest lends his voice to speak for Christ at the altar. He speaks as the groom when he says “This is My Body...” A woman cannot lend a feminine body/voice in this way. It isn’t exclusion or something “antiquated.” It simply is not possible.
Perfectly said.
Thank you for explaining this. Apparently these 7 care not for Christ, or the office, but as a means to justify their feminism nonsense.
So the "body of Christ" has to include the male parts? (pardon my indelicacy here, I mean no disrespect but that seems to be what you are implying)
@@HOSPlTALLER Wow I had never heard of the HS called the Spouse of the BVM before. I will look into that. I have heard the HS referred to as "She" a lot, as the divine feminine. You could be right about people wanting to turn Christianity into something it's not. I prefer to believe we want to turn it into something it could be. But you have a right to your opinion and I send you a blessing.
@@HOSPlTALLER Thank you, that is lovely. In the Hebrew scriptures, the word for Spirit is ruach, which is a feminine noun. I do think the loss of the vocations of sisters is extremely sad. I was just talking to a friend of mine who lives in a Carmelite monastery about how all the sisters are aging out. Let us pray for a resurrection.
Uhmm, sorry but these women are already excommunicated therefore they are no longer part of the Catholic Church. :)
Sheepishly Meh! Sure but they are part of the catholic little c church whether you like it or not
@Instaurare Omnia In Christo yes i know now, that comment was a year ago but thanks
@Instaurare Omnia In Christo They are ordained by a community called "catholic" but its fake , and they are not Roman Catholics , like you.
Instaurare Omnia In Christo The concept now is that there are not enough priests to serve. The church has had to move with the times before (hence Vatican II). The time will come when the church will have to adjust again. Do do not diminish the contributions of women in the early church. In as much as the 12 apostles were men, women also followed Christ and were among those that helped establish the Church. There may have been 12 apostles, but it was the women that never left Jesus side when he was crucified. And it was to a woman that he first made himself known when he arose from the dead.
All I’m saying is since there are a lack of priests, there is already a petition at the Vatican to allow women to be ordained. Whether this will be allowed in the future will depend again with the needs of the times and the need to adapt.
The Catholic Church has already lost so many followers to other religions, that this adaptation may happen in the future.
And btw, do not ever question my standing as a Catholic again. Only a “mean” person would do such a thing. And that is very Un-Catholic. Try to practice “Love Thy Neighbor”.
Instaurare Omnia In Christo There is no need to shout. As I said earlier, it is not for you to judge. And stop calling me evil. Seriously, what is wrong with you?! I thought we are having a reasonable academic discussion, then you resort to name calling and shouting! ( that’s what all caps mean).
But you know what, I know what it means to be a good Catholic. And that means respecting and loving other people even if you may have a different opinion. These issues are taken up at the Vatican and the Pope’s decisions I do respect. But honestly, it does not mean that I cannot have an opinion. Even the Pope Francis allows for healthy discussion.
Let me give you something to think about..... when you name-call other people, when you try to bully them online for a discussion, when you do not practice tolerance and love.... that is making room for the devil. Think about that and your actions. I will return to you your statement- “Why don’t you sit down and think about this.”
Not Catholic. stop spreading lies.
They, whoever, might “ordained” a million women, but not a single one of them they will never be a true priest of Jesus Christ. What a joke!
They absolutely are not Roman Catholic priests ! They aren't even Catholic. What a joke.
Theyre actually protestants.
@@camila_costa12 more precise church of England that identifies they self as Catholics.
to be Catholic Priest one must receive permission from a Catholic Bishop and be a man.
Jeff Mayfield Sound from heaven as a mighty rushing wind. Filled hearts with sanging fountain of life that flows freely dry thirsty inner man. Christ the lion of Judah the lamb the oil and the wine sweet anointing your presence drawing and feeding hearts of man and you left a crimson flood. Your love so strong can't deny it to my enemies. Want them to have it to.
…or woman!
When you disobeyed the magisterium of the church you are already excommunicated. God bless you all.
So a schismatic ordaining schismatics. Sounds like Lutheranisn with extra steps.
Liberal Lutherans maybe, not Confessional Lutherans😂
@@SoldierOfGod778 good luck in whatever congregation you are going to transition too, it can be hard to leave a current congregation
@@SoldierOfGod778 are you currently in the ELCA? Have you considered the LCMS or WELS? They should be more confessional as well as having a more serious view of scripture
@@SoldierOfGod778 I never even considered you could be from another country, forgive my ignorance. I do appreciate talking and may Gods peace be with you 👍
Nah, they're more like Episcopalian lol
Don't call these women Roman Catholic when they're not. I can say I'm a doctor and would operate on you, but would you let me touch you since I have no license to practice medicine? So don't freaking call these women Roman Catholic when you know full well the Catholic Church doesn't recognize them. This is bad journalism. I would say it's even unethical because you're purposely misleading the ignorant.
you prefer old, male, sinister virgins! paedophiles to say mass to you do you? This sick church is DOOMED!
canuck21 saying that they're Roman Catholic which means they believe in Rome's authority?
Ben Solo Saying that they are Roman Catholic implies that they are in full communion with the Catholic church and practice their faith according to the Latin Rite. However, the video explicitly says that the bishop who started this movement broke ties with Rome. They are not practicing Catholics.
Jeremy Roper so why they calling themselves Roman they are just Catholics not Roman Catholics they're against the Roman rules and rites there's many Catholics out there that are not Roman because they don't like Rome's authority 😂 for example Anglican communion they don't like Rome so they built their own church but the rites are Catholic.
Ben Solo There are more Rites or practicing communities under the umbrella of the Catholic Church. The Roman Rite is just one of many, but all agree on major beliefs to include the succession of the apostles, the authority that comes with it (the magesterium) and the primacy of Peter (and the chair/papacy). With that in mind, the various customs and traditions that look very foreign to that of the Roman church exist, but are validly Catholic (connected with the rest of the church in faith). If memory serves me right, The Anglicans separated under the catalyst of the issue of Henry the 8th wanting an annulment, and having after been denied and rediculed for seeking divorce and remarriage, he sought a way to marry again without causing uproar. A few dead wives later and foaming over the Pope's admonishment, he took steps with the Archbishop of Canterbury to separate the Church of England from the Universal Church, later falling in line with the protestant reformation movement on the European sub-continent. The Anglicans are not Catholic. They are protestants, in the traditional sense of the word, because they protest against the church.
I disapprove. The priesthood was passed down through Peter, not Mary Magdalene.
These ladies can dress up and play games if they wish, but they are definitely not priests. Why don't they join the Episcopalians?
It’s like they think when the Anglicans left the Church they were invalid, but when they do it it’s okay. smh
They're "ladies"? 🤣🤣🤣
yes they are just larping
Because they. have an axe to grind. Like the “catholic” priests and bishops that encourage their behavior, they are anything but catholic. For them, this is a game to be won. Although they KNOW that Christ chose MEN to lead his Church, they think they know better than Christ not by their words but by their actions. They refuse to see all that women, in their capacity, have done for the Church. They think these great woman like the Mother of God, St. Teresa of Avila, etc. didn’t know better and were subservient. That is how they justify their actions.
To undermine Catholicism. The undermining of Episcopalianism is complete. They need a new target.
They're not priests... Period.
Why not? Women are capable of fulfilling that Divine Office just as prophetically well within that context, as Men.
Facundo L. They cannot be priests. It was stated many times by the Bible and the Church. It's just as men cannot be nuns, women cannot be priests. It's not against women, in fact women were probably more capable in the New Testament, but they just are not recognized. Stop trying to bring radical feminism into Christianity
Aihpos Eirebrabed Women can be priests and can be very good priests. The other churches, especially the Episcopalians and Anglicans are showing us just that. So why don't you try to offer me a reasonable valid arguement as to why no, huh? For centuries the Church said that Latin was the ONLY language for the liturgy and 500 years after the reformation they've changed their minds and agreed they were wrong. Same thing will happen with Female Priests. It inevitable for the logical sensible future of the Church and of the Christian religious traditions
Aihpos Eirebrabed Also, I would definitely Not call myself a radical Feminist! Nope and no not at all! Some things of that are really negative and problematic. However, I am a Classical Feminist.
Facundo L. Please I have no intention to argue why i might be right or wrong. I follow the teachings I think are correct and I was just in an extremely rude argument with a trolling atheist. I believe what I think is right and what I have done research on. If you want to know a little example look up 1 Corinthians 14:34. And a RUclips comment won't change my opinion. Women becoming priests is outrageous and unnatural. If you want to honor God you don't need public approval. Become a nun. And women were meant to reproduce. It was a gift from God, but if women were to become priests they would be married to the church (which is called the bride of Christ) and they wouldn't be able to marry anyone else. They may call themselves Priests of the Catholic Church but they are not Catholics. It's like me calling myself a surgeon when I am but a nurse. Believe what you want to believe but there is a really good chance the Catholic Church will never recognize them as actual priests, nor will God
They can't be priestesses anymore than I can be a nun. They're not men. Geez, I learned that in kindergarten. This is pure pantomime.
They aren’t Roman Catholic.
No such a thing, obey the rules or leave as protesters like Luther.
Or better, to convert to original orthodox church
@@shevaplayer8905 Eastern Orthodox also doesn't ordain women.
@Kade Daivis Yes
@Kade Daivis Thats why there is sometimes terms catholic in our books
@Reino de Hiperbórea how many churches did Christ found? Then tell me which of the heretical Protestant denominations is the right one, who founded it, why it is the correct Church of Christ, where it was founded and where it can be found today, when it was founded, and how we know it is the correct one and the others aren’t.
They mentioned that the movement was started by Rómulo Antonio Braschi who is not in communion with Rome at all. That being said all the women he’s ordained are independent Catholics, not Roman Catholics. They are Protestants like he is, and the women “bishops,” are also Protestants. This isn’t a Roman Catholic, or an eastern catholic group at all!
Women can bring a lot to the Catholic church, but not through the priesthood. Women are not to be priests. Jesus picked twelve men. How clearer can His action be? TWELVE MEN! Not His Mother, not Mary Magdeline, No!, twelve men. What these women are doing is selfish, and damaging other souls. The demise of these souls, these women will have to answer to God Himself! Woe to them, for leading God's children astray!
Much respect Marie
This is abomination, you see mother Mary has her role alongside a specific special way, the nuns also but this,no no no god have mercy end times is now 😱😱😱
Marie Just Marie Amen, sister! These women are NOT following the example of our Blessed Mother Mary at all. Viva Cristo Rey!
Very sexist. The Bible is also very sexist.
One of the reasons I left the stupid Satanic religion. You are the ones that's lost
twisted wolf legacy Hell is a very hot place where the fire never ends and the torment never ceases. You joined Satan when you left the Church behind. Your reward is coming.... sooner or later. Christopher Hitchens (atheist) died too after spewing his hatred of God for quite some time. What makes you any different?
They learned nothing from the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Their not fit to even stand in her shadow!
For sure they followed the footstep of Eve. How worse can this world be?
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Right?!
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Sad. They have accepted the lies of satan and in their pride have rejected Jesus by rejecting the laws of His Church, preferring instead their own laws. God have mercy!
A priest is not just a religious leader, he is a representative of Christ on earth. And Christ was a man.
In conclusion, this is heresy.
These women priests are truly showing the way
These are not priests, they are heretics. Plain and simple
Wrong! The male deacon is the representative of Christ and the female deacon is the representative of the Holy Spirit, according to 3rd century A.D. Didascalia!
The heretic is YOU, mikdan! Church Father Gregory Archbishop of Constantinople (4th century) wrote that Theosebia was a deacon and a priest!
@@Eilbheis No, the heretic is YOU! And all the wolves in sheep's clothing, false prophets and false teachers, that Christ warned about!!! There were female deacons from 1st century until the 13th century. Phoebe was a deacon, according to Saint Paul, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Didascalia, Apostolic Constitutions, and etc!!! It's time to remove misogynistic males from the priesthood who by the way are also pedophiles and pedarasts! Saint Paul stated that elders who lie and do other sins must be removed, shunned, and excommunicated! Yet "popes" always protect them and it is "popes" who refuses to restore women to priesthood and especially to the diaconate which they removed them from for vile reasons such as menstruation, women are inferior humans, women are stupid and etc!!! If menstruation is evil and those things are true about women, then why did the Father and why did the Holy Spirit ( btw feminine gender, according to Genesis and Didascalia) allow Christ to be born of Virgin Mary the Blessed and to be raised by her?! Why send Mariam (sister of prophet Moses) as a prophet and allow her to enter the tabernacle??!! Why send Deborah as a prophet and allow her to be Judge during Judges period??!! Why send Bathsheba as Queen Mother, to share in the rule of her son King-Prophet Solomon to whom he bowed, during the Monarch's period (or King's period; misogynistic label)??!! Why send Athaliah as Queen regnant during Monarch's period??!! Why send Huldah as prophet??!!
relived after reading comments. Heart felt gratitude for all authentic Catholics in the comment
and us orthodox are just dyeing
They too are valid priests! Blessed holy women priests
The name of this video incorrectly, the bishop himself says he cut his ties with the Catholic Church. This is a heresy. They are excommunicated in so facto.
*ipso facto
these people are so confused. Pray for them.
So the men AND WOMEN at the Church Councils were also confused when they changed the age of women deacons from 40 to 60 making ordination of women deacons a fact??!! SO Church Father Gregory the Archbishop of Constantinople(4th century) was also confused in writing that Theosebia is a deacon and priest??!! So Christians were confused from 1st century to 13th century to ordain women as deacons??!! Which by the way is when the English males invented coverture (wives become property of husband when they marry and the property of the wife becomes the property of the husband) while Prophet Job gave his daughters equal land and property as his sons and for 1200 years Christian wives kept their property separate from husband by law.
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Those were not an ordained holy vocation. Read history.
@@TheHypnag0g222 Don't tell me to read history, functional illiterate! I have read it, and deaconnesses were ordained!
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No they weren't.
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You aren't Catholics nor priests
An Episcopalian cannot be a Roman Catholic and that's the truth and reality. Roman Catholic Church has NO AUTHORITY to ordain women to priesthood. Even during Jesus's time, He only had apostles who are men, NOT women. There is NO SUCH THING as PRIESTESS in a Roman Catholic Church. Priestesses are in cults NOT in Roman Catholic Church! So do not mix it up, please. Thank you.
Obviously invalid. Stop calling yourselves Roman Catholic
“ALL” MODERNISM MUST BE REJECTED. -Pope Pius X
Yet you're using modern technology, speaking a modern language, wearing modern clothes 🤦🏽♀️
@@indigenousspinster_6665 You obviously don't understand "modernism".
@@indigenousspinster_6665 ... Thats not what "modernism " in the Church means Danny.
The Roman Catholic church does not ordain women this video title is extremely misleading
This is heretical and schismatic, they are not Roman Catholic.
They can call themselves what ever they want, but not Roman Catholic.
This is against the teachings of Christ. When you go against those teachings you are not Christian.
This is a a man made religion .
Which teachings?
This was not a ceremony of ordination but of excommunication.
Show me Bible verse that backs up your comment
it was both
I mean the bishop who did it already cuted his tights with the catholic church actually way before this so... None of the ordinations were valid.
"What RCWP is doing is bypassing canon law and saying this is a law that doesn't make sense" Bruh what😂
YALL BOUTA GET CLAPPED WITH THE BIG OL EXCOMMUNICATION!
This comment aged like a fine wine
They already are.
They can call themselves however they want to. But one thing is for sure: they are not Catholic!
1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.(KJV)
And what happens if they refuse to be silent? What then? I'm not afraid to ask certain things.
Disturbing
“Women called by the holy spirit to god”
Blasphemy!
invalid, illicit and heresy. They are excommunicated; I only see old whimsical women...rebels as santan is!
Sexist bigot is what I see in your post.
Liz Perrott that's because you're worldly and apparently godless
Liz Perrott Jesus is male, the priest represents Him. How can a woman represent Jesus in the Mass, Sacraments etc...
Waloz Eduardo as Satan was!
Liz Perrott I couldn't care less about official church dogma and theology but I will still try to sway from topic by calling people bigots for not willing to woo me into church and change the way they operate is what I see all over your comment
May God have mercy on these poor sinners.
"We're Roman Catholic! We just reject everything the Church teaches." No. They are not Roman Catholic. They are not priests in the Roman Catholic Church. They were not "called by the Holy Spirit" to this path, the devil maybe. It's not just Church Law the forbids women from being ordained into the priesthood, it's also Biblical. If they reject the Bible and the Church on this, what else do they reject? I'd love to hear their beliefs on abortion and divorce. Cannon Law and multiple ecclesiastical councils have made this clear, women can not be ordained deacons, priests or bishops. If they had a religious calling it would have brought them to the convent. This is an abomination to 2000 years of Catholicism. At the end when they are all standing hands raised and everyone is applauded, how is that glorifying God? It's narcissistic "look at me." We don't applaud human achievement in God's house. Pray that they repent, and pray for their souls.
Not Catholic
Not Roman Catholic for sure.
Not child molesters as well
@@anonymousperson3896 Actually these marxist groups often work with child molester. Mary E. Hunt works for the Kiney institute no less.
They're not in the Catholic Church once they disagree with the Church itself.
The Catholic Church should sue these people/organization for using the word 'Catholic' in their name
I hate to tell you this but the judge would laugh the case right out of court.
What's the pope going to do then, excommunicate the judge?
Catholic just means original. The Orthodox (Catholic) church used this word aka the rest of the Church minus Rome before the Schism of 1054
Mary had a very special place in the plan of salvation, but it was not on the Cross.
Amen.
This is not Roman Catholic,not even from any rite of the Catholic Church.
The Roman Catholic Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women. Women cannot be ordained.
Ordination is a Sacrament, and the 7 Sacraments were established by Jesus.
The Roman Catholic Church does not have the authority to change what Christ Himself established .
This was NOT at a Catholic Church.the title is misleading
The catholic Roman church never aproved this.
The title is misleading.
Theyre a bunch of protestants.
Not roman catholics.
As per Pope Francis' new decree (Jun 2, 2021) Cannon 1379 "Both a person who attempts to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive the sacred order, incur a latae sententia excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; a cleric, moreover may be punished by dismissal from the clerical state." The Catholic Church does NOT have female priests.
the reason why is: Pope John Paul II said the church doesn't have the authority to ordain women as priests
Yes, God reserves that right. But He doesn’t bc women can’t be priests. It is strictly a male role.😂
@@JoshAlicea1229what if God changed his mind? Maybe he has. But who knows what is on his mind. We all must pray for guidance from the Almighty.
@@mikegallant811 The Bible clearly tells us that God is unchanging. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8) Malachi 3:6 says, “I am the Lord, and I do not change…” While everything around us is changing, we can depend on God continually showing us His grace, love, and compassion.
@@Non-nt5ln I mean, what if Jesus feels differently nowadays about women in the priesthood. That sort of thing. Does the Son of our living God not have a right to change his mind about things?
I wonder why they didn't just join the Episcopal, Methodist or Lutheran churches which all already ordain women ?
This is _literally_ against the Scripture
This is heresy, blasphemy. . . And schism ALL IN ONE! May Our Lord have mercy on your souls.
THIS is disgusting! May God have mercy on there souls!
Yeah…no they weren’t ordained. And, they didn’t “respond to the call of the Holy Spirit”. They responded to the call of the father of lies.
These women just played dress up and insulted God and His Holy Bride. Pray for these women (and the men who enabled this mockery) that their sin of pride will be confessed and that they will make themselves right with Almighty God. It’s pathetic.
Talk about dress up, have you seen Cardinal Burke??? lol
@@adinameyer8367 You mean a real, ordained Cardinal? Sure have. He’s a real priest that wears real vestments, unlike these pretenders, lol.
Thinking you have a vocation is something actually being called to a vocation is something else, I have received my vocation I have to say that *I don't want to be a priest* but I know God is calling me, I cannot deny his will.
He called me through dreams, reflections and even by other people just telling me I will be a good priest some day.
These woman... Feminists thought only because they wanted is God's will, I never seen any where in the Bible that states if I want something it must be God's will to do so.
@@SteveFromMinecraftMovie Exactly, Father. These heretics think they know better than God and His holy Bride, The Church.
@@adinameyer8367Why am I not surprised that someone like you would insult an *actual* ordained member of the clergy?
He can actually forgive sins and confect the Eucharist. The gals can’t do any of that. You’re so typical, it’s boring…lol.
Here after Pope Francis’ excommunication of woman priest and those who “ordain” them 😎
But "Pope Francis" Bergoglio has excommunited himself after worshipping the pachamana idol
LESGOOOOOOOOOOO
@@tigertim6485 says a nobody with absolutely no power to declare this. 😂(don’t agree with the pope but he’s still the pope and you’re a schismatic/ Protestant) good day
@@DR-nw3jn you said everything you had to say.
"For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables", 2 Timothy 4:3-4.
This is just playing prretend on the altar.
Katolika 93 Exactly.They're playing theatre.They like to dress up and play as if they were clergy.Stupid women.
Thea Faber Why so harshly judgemental.Why can't women be priests.
Are they only to cook,clean and do the male priests laundry.
Remember your mother and sister or those females you love.
Do they not deserve society with God given abilities.
Richard Rodrigues The apostles were all men,if God wanted women as priests I'm sure halve of the apostles would have been women.I'm a woman myself,but I still can't imagine women as priests.
Many Saints -- both known and unknown --- went against the tide. I'm just wondering what the Vatican has to say to these women Ordinandi?!
Let us rather not judge them so easily. Let's wait what the Church authorities has to say regarding ordaining 'women-priests.' I honestly find it strange, though.
It’s all about defeating the patriarchy, and has nothing to do with worshipping God. Sad for these women. They need are prayers.
Do not believe everything you watch on you tube. This is not the Catholic Church I know. There will never be a women's priest in the Catholic Church with the help of God.
“That’s not how this works! That’s not how any of this works!”
I should ordain my cat; that would be just as valid.
😅😅😅Father Cuddles.
lol Amen!
Not sure our cat would want all that responsibility. She’s pretty lazy.
In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Bastet, amen!
Is Mr. Kibbles in agreement?
I am a woman but honestly this is complete stupidity & utter nonsense. 😐Women need to learn when to stand up & fight & when to listen & gain grace by it. Christ Himself lowered to be a human taking on our complete nature, inspite of being the WORD through whom God created us. Alas! Even examples of such humility does not knock sense into most of us coz we are so full of ourselves. 😒
Jesus chose 12 MEN to be his apostles. If he wanted women then he would've made Mary Magdalene an Apostle, but he didn't.
Marc J ..sir .im a catholic...im curious to know why not women priests...im hav bee searching for answers ....even pope is not giving. satisfactory ans..only thing dat dey say is jus because jus bcoz of twelve wer men ....its suppose to be men ..dat dey shud be ordainded as priests...
we knw frm history dat women wer considered as sec citizens .dat der testimonys wer considerd not valid...may be bcoz of dat jesus selected men to do it...
But now things have changed...i believe men and women are equal in gods eyes...dis is wat i believe...pls help me sir ..i believe der is n ans for dat..i need to get a logical ans
Jesus also only invited his 12 MEN Apostles to the Last Supper, therefore we should only let JUST MEN receive and have Communion.
How do we know who he invited and who wasn't mentioned in descriptions in scripture written only by men who only recogised each other. Jesus invited Judus to the last supper does that mean all traitors are OK? Aso remember it was a woman He appeared to after he rose, that would suggest she was higher in his esteem than male apostles most of whom ran away or denied Him to avoid capture!
The Vatican has made Mary Magdalene an Apostle, in fact she was venerated recently by Pope Frances to be the Apostle to the Apostles. aleteia.org/2016/06/10/mary-magdalene-apostle-to-the-apostles-given-equal-dignity-in-feast/
"DA VINCI CODE" !!
Blasphemy! These women are NOT Priests and they never will be. This is just a big game of make believe. This is not recognized by the Catholic Church.
Who cares if it is not recognised by the Catholic Church.
What matters is that their ordination is recognised by GOD.
And it is clear that the Spirit, throughout history, has called women as well as men to he priesthood, whether or not a misogynistic monstrosity of a Church has ignored that call.
If you disagree, please tell us all how you, a mere woman, and a member of a Church that is peopled by mere humans, can second-guess the Holy Spirit and whom he may or may not call, and, when he clearly calls women, by what authority you can tell the Holy Spirit that He is somehow wrong?
"what matters is that their ordination is recognized by God" Well, if that is the case, than anyone can be ordained all they have to do is say the magic words
"who cares if it is not recognized by the Catholic Church" Well, they are calling themselves "Catholic Women Priests" Ummm I digress.
Kevin Frankland
They are calling themselves Catholic women priests? Oh what a terrible thing!
(Note a hint of sarcasm there).
'Catholic' (katholikos) means 'universal' and therefore these women, called, that call discerned as genuine and then ordained, are priests within Christ's church. Period.
And before you claim that they are not "Catholics" as YOU know them, I suggest you read some of the facts about the Catholic Church and the way that many Chuches call themselves "Catholic" with the authority to do so, but which are not part of YOUR misogynistic gang. Churches such as:
American National Catholic Church
Apostolic Catholic Church
Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
Catholic Mariavite Church
Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
Fraternité Notre-Dame
Mariavite Church (not to be confused with the Catholic Mariavite Church)
Old Catholic Church
Old Roman Catholic Church
Palmarian Catholic Church
Philippine Independent Church
Polish National Catholic Church
Rabelados, traditionalist Catholics in Cape Verde
Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church
National Catholic Apostolic Church in the United States
And many others.
What you need, Mister, is an education.
catholic (small "c" means universal)
Pray for them. St Mary, Mother of Jesus, pray for us. Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
They're spoiling the Catholic Church, being a good Catholic in the church they should not have these type of desires priestly ordination plz study about canon law what says, if you wish to be a good Catholic become a good nun
This was NOT done by the Catholic Church as the title says
pioneers is not the word i would choose to describe these rebel heretics
"Half the church is not being served" [laughs in Mother Angelica]
Love the username
CANON 1379 provides that “both a person who attempts to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the woman who attempts to receive the sacred order, incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See,” and that the one who attempts to ordain a woman “may be punished by dismissal from the clerical state.”
The Roman Pontiff has declared the Ordination of Women as Priests absolutely null and utterly void.
Catholic and women "priests"..... words that do not belong in the same sentence.
"This law doesn't make sense. . . ." The many looters and arsonists here in Minneapolis couldn't have said it better.
Anathema. “Pass canon law” ya you and Martin Luther.
I'm a woman and I don't agree with women priests. Male and female have their roles and the priesthood is for men
All life begins initially with the father.
Same here. I am a woman and happy with my woman part. I don’t want to be equal.
What they’re doing is becoming their own Pope
I can't stop laughing. xD I'm a woman and I'am catholic and I think that this sect is very stupid.
" I think that this sect is very stupid."
Why?
*****
Because this is not catholic!Women can't be a priests.
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Women _can't_ be priests?
Who says? A man-made organisation?
Can you show me ONE reference in Jesus' teaching where he says this.
The Roman Catholic Church has a Theology called "in persona Christi" Meaning that the priest is in the person of Christ. A woman cannot fulfill this ministry. I don't say I agree with this theology, but I respect it. And I imagine you were aware of this before you began arguing my points?
Kevin Frankland
"A woman cannot fulfill this ministry."
Then tell that to Nympha of Laodicia. And you had better mention it to Paul too.
At the end of his letter to the Colossians, Paul goes out of his way to greet Nympha and the Church that met in her house.
The practice of the early Church (that historical documents, archaeology and even secular documents support) was that householders acted as the presidents at the Eucharist, as "priests" did not even exist.
Nympha was cited THREE times in the Greek of this passage as FEMALE.
And is cited as the houseowner.
Houseowners always presided at the Eucharist - the PRIME and DEFINITIVE function of the priest.
Therefore Nympha acted 'in persona Christi' whether yo like it or not.
Now, if you disagree, then tell us all
(a) where the "real" priest came from every Sunday. Laodicia is a remote town in western Turkey, and even more remote in those days because of the lack of an adequate road system. I visited the ruins in 2012 and Nympha's house Church is still there.
(b) why Paul did not reet the "real" church leadr and "real" priestm, shunning these in favour of a women whose pathetic role was, presumably, "making the coffee" after the service.
Can you explain this supposed blatant shunning of the "real" church leader in Laodicia, but going out of his way to greet a mere insignificant women?
They are not not Roman Catholic. It’s sad they don’t understand why women aren’t priest. If you were truly Roman Catholic, you would seek to understand why. Pray the Rosary for guidance.
such a shame that people think that a title will change the outcome of what they do, Saint Mother Teresa of Calcutta didn´t need a title of ´Priest´ to make a change and be a saint. What gives us women and men power is who we are as people and what we do with our talents. Legitimate power comes from our actions and words, not from our academic/profession titles.
All these people are in my prayers
It’s one thing to love the lord but this isn’t it , know your place and don’t use the Roman Catholic name.
Following God can be done without being ordained. The Pope infallibly defined that the Church has no power to ordain women. They're not ordaining, they're excommunicating. Also it's blasphemy to call the Holy Spirit a she. This will NEVER be accepted by the Church or God. God rejects these rituals which aren't ordinations.
Obedience. One of the first rules of Catholicism. This is something else, its making a point about feelings.
Intox. I wonder why people will choose to erroneously use the name of the church in their blasphemy.Please use another name in you heretic church. The magisterum has never allowed women ordination. This is not roman catholic. This is self excommunication.
Don't intepret this in a wrong manner, this Is not Catholic church....
Nowhere Catholic church accepts women proesthood. Because Catholic church Is not against feminism but to maintain the apostolic tradition that Jesus trasmeted.
They are not “Catholic priests”, no matter what they say.
I can see Satan working through them.
Let us pray for their souls
Their Holy Communion is valid!
Invalid ordination. Women has her own rule inside the church and helping the church evangelize the world. And that is by entering convents and become a nun.
If that would be the thinking that women can be priest. Are we in the near future will accept men to be come a nun????
Priesthood is only for men for it is written " women should not have any authority over men"
This ordination is invalid.
This was NOT done at a Catholic Church and you are right about it being inavalid and void
OMG!!! PLEASE.. PLEASE.. PLEASE.. THIS IS NOT ABOUT EQUALITY!!! IT IS ABOUT THE THE PROPER WAY THAT GOD CREATED. PRIESTS ARE ONLY FOR MEN!!! THAT'S WHY WE CALLED THEM FATHER!!! THANK U & GOD BLESS US ALL!!!
This title is misleading, the Roman Catholic Church does not ordain women as priests just like the Bible says, they were ordained in a heretical church! That is Not true Catholicism!
They are not priests and even Catholic , zero communion with The UNIQUE HOLY and APOSTOLIC church
They devil's advocates
+George Gitau
The Devil's Advocates? Really.
So please tell us all how you alone can discern that the call of the
Holy Spirit to ordination comes only to RC men (even those with an
attraction to small boys).
The Spirit has called these women to ordained service in the Church just
as He has called many other women in history that were prevented from
fulfilling that call through the intransigence of a corrupt misogynistc
Church hierarchy, and just as He has clled women to ordination in other
churches, with great success and with God's obvious blessing upon those
churches as a result.
And frankly, whether you like it or not, I believe the Holy Spirit
trumps any nonsense spouted here by you, or dictated by a pope for that matter.
+MrJayguess Get your facts straight
These are not roman catholics first
secondly
these women wanted muslims to join in prayer
crosses to be removed
and so on
Its a disgrace
Mat Bledski
A disgrace?
Tell me, what is wrong in offering Muslims to join in prayer? Do they pray to a different God then?
Moreover, if a cross is removed from a Church, does that mean that the Holy Spirit is removed too? Or are you placing too much emphasis on the ritualistic artifacts of a church institution rather than putting CHRIST first?
The fact that you say they are 'not Roman Catholics' says far more about your own allegiances than anything else. These women are Christians first and foremost, and, if your precious man-made rules of the world's wealthiest and most corrupt organisation have been "broken", then they deserve to be broken.
So please tell us all how you alone can discern that the call of the Holy Spirit to ordination comes only to RC men (even those with an attraction to small boys).
The Spirit has called these women to ordained service in the Church just as He has called many other women in history that were prevented from fulfilling that call through the intransigence of a corrupt misogynistc
Church hierarchy, and just as He has called women to ordination in other churches, with great success and with God's obvious blessing upon those churches as a result.
I suggest you get YOUR facts straight, Mister.
***** Yes disgrace
look it up
Most of what you wrote was your own opinion and interpretation
Women can serve God if they wish to do so, to give up their lives by his way.
but to be ordained is for men only. and I bet you dare call me sexist
Jesus had 12 apostles and all men. Do you claim Jesus was sexist?
And your claim that preists are all pedophiles shows how much you really know.
For a fun fact, the career as a priest has the lowest percentage of pediphiles than any other career, respectfully.
Your obviously a protestant of some sort (theres thousands of denominations so I cant tell which one)
Which means you dont know (if anything) much about Catholics
If you do YOUR research through accurate history youll also find why the Catholic church is the way it is. They were the first Christians.
They share nothing with Islam.
Islam is a completely different religion that worships a completely different god".
Taking away the crucifix and deconstructing everything Catholicism shows how much attention and respect is given to the teachings of the Church.
So no you cant change everything the way you "feel " is the right way. Thats what protestants do.
If you cant handle God saying something clear (though you might not agree with your views) its your choice.
I dont agree with everything priests might be doing but im not condeming the church for it.
Church is unable to change the substance of a sacrament. For example, a person cannot be baptized in wine, nor may a substance other than bread be used for the consecration at Mass. If invalid matter is used, then the sacrament does not take place. Likewise, since the priest acts in the person of Christ, the Church has no authority to confer the sacrament on those who are unable to represent the male Jesus Christ.
Jesus never ordained women. If He did Mary would have been the finest candidate for it. Yet she wasn't. That doesn't say women did not play a key role in history because they did very much so. As for a juxtaposition, men will never be able to share the giving of life on earth. God gave women the ability to proclaim His creation on earth. That on its own is amazing. But men arn't complaining.
So please get out of your ignorant mind. You probably hate reading this far, but you exaggerate what is important and what "you feel" is important. You cant make God fit into your life yet you have to fit into God's will.
Now about having a community to pray together regardless of religious background is good. Releases tension between ethnic groups and gets people to work together fine.
But to get rid of everything that makes a roman catholic him/herself and destroying the foundation of the mass (That Jesus proclaimed to do so) to "welcome the community for a prayer" is a disgrace. Prayer is not the highest form of adoration of God.
God calls women to serve him why can't a woman accept the role of a nun for instance. There were many beautiful and enthusastic nuns I have met in my life and not one complained why she cant be at the alter. That would be egoistic and shows that more importantly status is liable then the focus on God. Priests are told that they will become Bishops. But if one word comes out that he told someone else he loses his position. Its a test. Do you care more about status within the church or do you focus on the church with God in your mind?
"ritualistic artifacts" rather than the focus on Christ... hmmm really? But focusing on allowing lezbians as bishops and priests within a church is focusing on God...yes...
Typical liberal thinking. "Change always good"
Get out of your mind and recognise reality
Ask a muslim if Jesus Christ is the same as allah
They'll probably laugh in your face
Islam is a religion based on the submission to God and Christianity is based on the unconditional love for God
Allah shares no relationship with people
Jesus is our father and we His children
Anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian. I know that. The video claimed they were Roman Catholics. Very different.
The man made rules were set from the beginning of the apostles and Christ. Clarify yourself please. Do your research without bias.
Thanks
Mat Bledski
1. "but to be ordained is for men only. and I bet you dare call me sexist"
Not at all. I call you a liar and a fool instead, and a hypocrite.
2. "Jesus had 12 apostles and all men."
Wrong. Jesus had many disciples (NOT 'apostles' - they were not referred to by this name until after the resurrection). The 12 were chosen to rule over the 12 tribes of Israel, but there were many other disciples, Mary Magdalene (to whom he chose to appear FIRST after the resurrection), Mary and Martha of Bethany, Salome, and many others too.
3. "And your claim that preists are all pedophiles"
I didn't. Only some of them. "I in 50 at least" I believe Pope Francis admitted?
4. "Your obviously a protestant of some sort "
Not at all. I am an Anglican, a reformed Catholic Church that has thankfully abandoned the nonsense doctrines that have crept into the RCC, and which has gradually returned to the church that CHROST founded - rather than the monstrosity that the RCC has become.
5." They were the first Christians. "
Wrong. The early Church were the first Christians, long before they believed in purgatory, papal infallibility, the garbage doctrines surrounding Mary and when women as well as men led worship and presided at the Eucharist - the defining priestly function.
Would you lke proof of this?
6. "Islam is a completely different religion that worships a completely different god".
Wrong. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the three Abrahamic religions all of which worship YHWH. Muslims revere Christ as a great prophet, and pray several times a day, which is rather more than most Catholics I have ever come cross.
7. "Taking away the crucifix and deconstructing everything Catholicism shows how much attention and respect is given to the teachings of the Church. "
Great. Then let's take more crosses out, for I say "to hell with the teaching of the Church". That same Church that has been responsible for more atrocities than any other rganisation - even against its own. Better to pay attention and respect to Christ than to any monstrus organisation.
8. "If you cant handle God saying something clear (though you might not agree with your views) its your choice."
You mean how scripture says we have ONE advocate with the Father - Jesus Christ, and NOT Mary, or other dead saints?
You mean how scripture says we are to call no man Father - yet the RCC does just that?
You mean how scripture says that when we die the faithful will go to Jesus - he even promised this on the Cross to the penitent thief, and yet you prefer to believe in purgatory?
You mean how scripture says that priests and bishops should be married yet the RCC teaches the opposite?
You mean how scripture says clearly that women were in ORDAINED ministry, but you prefer to claim the opposite?
Shall I go on?
9. "Church is unable to change the substance of a sacrament."
Rubbish. It has changed its mind on many things in the past at the whim of whatever pope is occupying Rome.
10. "Jesus never ordained women."
But he never ordained men either did he. Dismissed piece of rubbish. Move on.
11." and destroying the foundation of the mass (That Jesus proclaimed to do so) "
More rubbish. Jesus never claimed that the bread and wine were his literal body and blood but a *remembrance*. If you disagree, then maybe you could tell us all here how he was supposed to have offered his literal broken body and shed blood at the Last Supper *when he did not actually make that sacrofoce until the day afterwards*? Claiming ransubstantiation completely negates what he Cross stands for, you silly man.
12. "God calls women to serve him why can't a woman accept the role of a nun for instance."
Many do, if they are called to that kind of service. But the Holy Spirit does call women for ordained ministry too - and has done fr two millennia whether or not that call has been honoured and the Spirit obeyed by a corrupt "Church".
13. " But focusing on allowing lezbians as bishops and priests within a church is focusing on God...yes..."
Eh? Where have these lesbians come from all of a sudden? I suppose that homosexual priests are OK as long as they are male, yes?
14. Now, if you believe there were no women ordained in the Church hat Christ founded, please explain why
(a) Phoebe is described by Paul as 'diakonos' - an ordained deacon
(b) At the end of Paul's letter to the Colossians, Paul greets Nympha in Laodicia, the Church leader there and, as leader, the president at the Eucharists there. Nympha is a female name and Paul refers to her as "she" no less than three times. If she is not the church leader and president at the eucharists, ask yourself why Paul shuns the "real" priest or "real" church leader, and greets her (in your mind a "lesbian who should have been a nun"?) instead - the lady who made the coffee after the service?
Pffft!!!
Stand corrected you silly little man.
Follow the example of our Heavenly Mother! Not these women! So sad!
There is no Catholic seminary that would take them so they couldn't actually know what they're supposed to know in the absence of Catholic Theo. schooling and priestly formation. If they had gone through all the years of school and formation that real seminarians go through they would've understood why this wasn't legitimately possible.
fraud.. this not the real church from Matthew 16:18
This is purely prideful… I pray for all of them… this is so sad..
All Catholics need to read JPII's Theology of the Body for a beautifully profound explanation for why women cannot ever be ordained priests. A good start is by reading Christopher West's new edition of Theology of the Body based if JPII's TOB.