Indeed!!! This comment needs way more likes. Most people, being mistaken fools, think CC is a mediocre or bad sequel.... but it is, single-handedly, one of the best examples of a sequel EVER.
@@skyvipers It seems that you don't know anything about the game. If you had played any meaningful amount of time in it, you would know there were many connections originally, and the story is intrinsically connected to CT. The entire impetus of the spawning of the Home World universe in Cross is directly due to the actions Chrono and Co. took. When Queen Zeal sent the Prophets across time when they tried to stop her from using the Mammon Machine, Balthasar was flung into the future, 2300AD, where the world was destroyed. Chrono and Co. beat Lavos, thus saving the future. But there was some stuff with Scahala, and Balthasar concocted a plan reaching across millenia to engineer a way for her to be saved and not joined in with the Time Devourer. He made Chronopolis and researched the time travel stuff with FATE, and ended up technically engineering the events in Chrono Trigger to boot, given how massive his plan was. There is a lot to it, if you look. But you'll not have read any of this, or simply will ignore what I'm saying and make fun of me because I used a couple words with more than three syllables. Good day.
@@BigCowProductions Alright lets talk about this reasonably: 1) It's an assumption from your end that I "don't know anything about the game / haven't put time into it", me liking or disliking the game has nothing to do with a correlation of knowledge about it. Consider why I am here on the video in the first place, it's obvious I'm not some random bot who negative comments videos. I played both CT and CC entirely through. You are basically saying "you must not have played it because you don't appreciate it like I do", which is completely untrue in both regards. I love CT, and I hate CC. 2) Something being related to something else doesn't make it good or bad in itself. For example, you can't claim that "Rise of Skywalker" is good and meaningful because the events of "Return of the Jedi" directly impacted the storyline. Who cares if they are directly related? That doesn't mean it is "objectively good / cool / etc." Something that is good must stand alone on it's own merit, it being related to something else doesn't add or detract from that. The events of CC are (at best) mildly related to CT, which is why there is (despite what you may know) a lot of resentment for it being a crappy sequel. 3) Speaking of that, that is my whole point, in that CT is good by itself. It does not need to add anything to it (or ret-con) to make it better / more relatable. CT is a classic and maybe the greatest game of all time. When they added elements from CC into CT, that only makes it seem desperate to make CC more relatable. Remember when George Lucas in the BluRay edition added Darth Vader saying "No!" in RotJ before he killed the Emperor? Was that necessary? Was it impactful? Who asked for that? This is my reasoning behind my disdain for CC elements being *needlessly* placed in CT. A sequel should be good standing on its own merit, and should not have to add elements into its prequel to make it better / more understandable. 4) I think you can find utmost universal praise for CT and a split fandom for CC. Now I'm not inferring that popularity has anything to do with something being good, but it is a tell-tale sign that when (CT) is beloved and hailed as the greatest JRPG / game of all time, (and CC is not), should give you some context clues about how much negativity there is for CC. Just because you like / love something doesn't make it objectionably well-liked. It's not like I'm calling the greatest game of all time garbage, I'm calling a game that has fans split on love / hate garbage. You may love it, but there is a gigantic fandom of CT that absolutely despises CC. Kinda like how SW fans all praise ESB but are split on TLJ lol. CC is 100% the TLJ of the Chrono Series.
@@skyvipers tu argumento es que CT es mas popular y aclamado como el mejor RPG? Ademas los fan de CT que odian a CC es por su capricho de no ser una historia mas de chrono y compañía.
I have a theory of this ending. I think that the "future" magus is the magus that go inside the dimensional vortex in one of the ending after Marle asks him if he's searching for Schala. After the party is defeated by the dream devourer, Schala send him somewhere and he completely lost all his memories. So I think he has been sent into the world of Chrono cross(the one with Serge alive). Not knowing his name and his purpose, he changed his outfit and became Guile. As for the Magus in our party, he could have seen that or the party that battled the dream devourer told him what happened, and he knew that it was useless to face the dream devourer, so he searched for an other way. And ended up going into the Radical Dreamer. It could somehow explain how Magus is with Serge and Kid in RD, and why Guile looks like Magus. Of course, it's acceptable only if you think that Guile is actually Magus, and if the Magus that watched the "future" Magus being defeated by the dream devourer decided to find another way of saving Schala. Well I could be wrong, I'm just trying to figure something out of this since it's a little dizzy for me.: /
I agree! I think Guile is Janus after experiencing his amnesia; he falls in line with Serge and Kid and eventually saves his sister via the Chrono Cross. Awesome! Thank you for posting your theory!
Well, that's nothing, just something from my mind. I must correct something, when I said "Chrono Cross(the one with serge alive)" I meant the universe of Chrono Cross. Not the world of Serge since we encouter Magus in the "another world" of Chrono Cross.
Before entering Viper Manor. The party need to go into the viper manor, and you can choose three ways, one of those is: you choose to go with magus, you find into a bar, he needs a boat to go to a secret passageway to the manor. He join the group if you choose to go with him.
Finally freeing Schala in Chrono Cross was one of the few gaming moments that brought me to tears. I still break down every time I hear Life - Distant Promise.
Well from what I believe, the Magus in this ending that got sent to 1000 A.D. is Guile from CC (Because Guile was supposed to be Magus in CC), and the baby at the end of the "traditional" ending is Kid / Schala. The Magus thing I am unsure about, but I know that I am right about Kid / Schala.
@@3rasvok24 Chrono Trigger is the game to trigger or childhood glee. Chrono Cross crosses into what it is to be an adult. Life does not always go our way.
I do watch HCBailly, but this is something I've thought myself, ever since I first got the game years ago. The big thing here is that Chrono Cross itself never once suggests that there's anything more to Guile than just Guile, and as his personality is so strikingly different, I can't shake the feeling that at the time, it wasn't Square's intention that Guile actually be Magus in disguise.
for the ones who does not know, this entire ending is a reference to Chrono Cross (the psx sequel of the original Chrono Trigger), where, as its shown, Schala became the devourer of time, as for magus, he is a playable character on that game, along with almost 50 other characters to add to your party, only thing, if you dont read VERY CAREFULLY or get full story of all of them, you will never know who Magus is on that game, as for he is completely different from his original form since he forgot
@ozTheEndzo Sure Lavos, but that's not Lavos. That's A Schala infused Dream Devourer. Schala is the most powerful magic user to ever exist in the CT world. It might have been quoted by Zeal that Janus could become even more powerful with his attack magic (black magic) but Schala was always the one who could effect time and space. If she didn't like you she could send you to the abyss in a portal. Lavos, or the Dream Devourer would have never had such power w/o Schala
@Maskleader You're right, they rework the story to make Serge Magus, for all we know. But that would just be meaningless. We already know that Guile was Magus, and then Magus was canceled. So that's the end of it.
Note that this isn't "the complete" ending after defeating Dream devourer. After Magus goes off there is another scene: 1005 AD Guardia Kingdom falls (Magus is destroying it). The hero never appeared, thus the Masamune disappeared...
When Ayla hits star level, she'll randomly crit for 9999 with normal attacks. This is amazing, and for those who actually persevere to see this change, you'll also know that by then Chrono's Luminaire should only do ~5k or so, depending on the build. Thus, when it comes down to pure power, Ayla is the one to use (you may also want to consider giving her the counterattack accessory).
Peaple are saying that Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger, not only is, but theres a official text game, Radical Dreamers, narrating events between the two games. So peaple, do a little digging before say things like that.
@Marymvhupsel Essentially, he becomes the character of Guile, the magician. Originally Guile was supposed to definitively be Magus, but they didn't have time to included the storyline during development, so they just had Guile be a shadowy, possibly Magus, possibly not type of character. When this DS version came out, it appears they retconned the plot allowing Magus to be Guile again, because he doesn't "remember" who he is.
I like Chrono Cross as a single game but it is crap as a sequel, it basically makes the effort of Chronos team useless... Also Schalahs fate sucks... But Magus would be the perfect opportunity for another game. He as main character has to get his memory back and then safe Schalah. Possibly he could get the teammates from Chrono Trigger together. That would also be a opportunity for Chrono to have some personality...
Chrono Cross is about possibilities. Since Serge touched the frozen flame, that piece of lavos that is capable of making miracles and evolution happen, created two worlds as siamese: home world: serge is alive / apocalipsis in 1999 happened / crono and friends possibly died another world: serge is dead / apocalipsis in 1999 didn't happen / crono and friends possibly lived since Chrono Trigger left a cliffhanger with Schala dissapearing, Chrono Cross took it very well and made Lavos the Time devourer in the darkness beyond time when he trapped Schala, there he was consuming all the existence. Basically Chrono Cross tells the story of Serge, the spiritual succesor of Crono, destroying Lavos so that everything that happened in Chrono Trigger wouldn't have been for nothing. It all happened, Chrono Trigger mattered. Chrono Cross is the next generation's heroes so that time wouldn't get destroyed. Nothing was ruined. Once that was over, the siamese worlds got cut and went into different routes: and that's where Kid and Serge hurt since they won't see each other again and probably they aren't going to remember, they will just "know" when they meet each other again. And that's Kid's promise
Giancarlo Giovannetti that’s a lot of work to connect the two. Honestly I think Cross would have been fine with a different name and a universe of its own.
@@giancarlog89 Well said. Cross' Home World was ACTUALLY the divergent universe created by the actions of Crono and Co., and the 'Another World' was the universe where they didn't. The entire reason Chrono Cross even exists is due to the actions Crono and Co. make, and the story OF CC is only possible when taking into account what Crono and Co. did.
Kid (from chono cross) is an orphan, Lucca took her in her house, then Lynx and Harle (bad guys of cc), burnt the house and killed Lucca. Plus the events in CC occur in a distant continet from the lands we played in CT, called El Nido.
This is embarrassing, even those dialogues sound like fanfiction. The stupid sequel and all the shenanigans they pulled on the ports for other consoles because of it will never be able to taint the legacy of the masterpiece that was the original.
You know that this ending was made to retcon CT into CC right? So it does sound like that because CC was made to give Schala her ending and her being/getting rescued, even tho the process and connection and somesuch is utterly confusing and kidna stupid, esp when the main game of CC doesnt resolve around it and Schala becoming more of a role only during the.. technically post main story fight, cuz the Dragon God was the final boss in compare to the Time Devourer.
Finally, someone with common sense! I don't get why Chrono Cross has so much fans, its stupidly convolluted storyline tried so hard to drag Chrono Trigger with it in a desperate intent to gain some of its greatness, that it completely destroyed the awesome storyline of the original. I like to belive Chrono Cross is nothing but bad fanfiction. I mean, the original development team was not even involved in Chrono Cross; I would really respect that game if it wasn't for its storyline, why to make everything what was achived in Chrono Trigger pointless?
lyricalmage Everything achieved in Chrono Trigger was not pointless, which you would know if you had actually played Chrono Cross. Chrono Trigger's timeline continues as Another World, it's just Home World timeline that has the Day of Lavos actually happening. And really, in an endless multiverse of endless possibilities, that was bound to happen eventually. That was the whole point of Chrono Cross's plot: Belthazar figured out that not only would Lavos still be alive in the Darkness at the End of Time, but that Schala was still merged with it. He worked the whole thing out so that Serge would defeat the Time Devourer, free Schala, and ensure that Crono's success stayed a success. Stop being such a damn baby because Cross wasn't the game YOU wanted it to be.
TheWoodaba It is made pointless in the moment they don't even care to explain what happened to the previous protagonists (they only tell you that lucca found that baby clone of schala and raised her, then ends dying out of nowhere with the causes lacking of a clear explanation in the actual game, because there are only speculations of what happened from what I read) , heck even the fanbase of the game there is no clue of what happened to Crono or Marle. And how come Crono is the sucessor of Marle's father if in no more than 2 years after his adventure evrithing they fought for and their kingdom has gone to trash. Such facts serve as proof for a game that did not care to properly bound itself to its original.
First of all, Lucca didn't die. She died in Radical Dreamers, but she didn't die in Chrono Cross, because Lynx needed her to activate the Prometheus Circuit. You get a letter from her near the end of the game, she is obviously alive. As for the rest of your comment...like I said, stop being such a whiny little bitch because Chrono Cross wasn't the game YOU wanted it to be. The developers didn't see a point in just making a Chrono Trigger 2, and they did something different. And yet whiny little fanboys like you just started bitching "WHAT HAPPENED TO CRONO AND MARLE", like that's all you care about. There is such thing as ambiguity. Plus, your final point doesn't even make sense. Crono is the successor to the kingdom of Guardia because he married Marle, that is how succession worked. You need to quit your endless whining and accept Chrono Cross for what it is, not what you want it to be.
TheWoodaba Oh thank you! You just proved the point, so, Lucca gets manipulated to help some ridiculous cat villain use the remants of Robo for evil purposes, another respectable character destroyed, which is why I don't like Chrono Cross in the first place; really, thank you for reinforcing my point. And my other point wasn't how did Crono become a king because I already know that (didn't you say yourself I was a Crono x Marle fanboy? And I don't know if I am such a fan of them but, when you think of it, they make much better protagonists than a rejected beach boy and a clone of schala), the point was why to make him king of Guardia if the kingdom is going to ruin after 5 years from the day of venturing for saving the world, making all his efforts short-thermed and also making him the weakest king in Guardia history? I mean, if they had any respect for him they could have at least given him 50 years of wise ruling. And I don't need to accept something I do not feel comfortable with, just like anyone is free to agree of disagree with a point of view, grow up kid. Try to give solid arguments to defend your point instead of just tossing insults at people that disagree with you. like I said before this is a game that I would respect if it wasn't because of its awfully convoluted plot that doomed some of my most respected characters from Chrono Trigger. This guy here quite reinforces my point: www.giantbomb.com/profile/twolines/blog/chrono-cross-provocative-or-totally-bonkers-you-de/101428/ eventough he loves Chrono cross for being an awesome game he widely enjoyed he can't help it to observe that is horribly convoluted, maybe not the most objective of analysis, but atleast he not all going like "What I say is universal truth and you need to accept it or else you're a whining bitch!". P.D I do have to thank you for making me laugh so much! you call me whiny fanboy yet you can't even defend Crono Cross without insulting me and refuse to see even the slightest flaw in your beloved game worshiping it as perfection. Aren't you acting like an upset fanboy? Have a nice life.
There are many different endings in Chrono Trigger. When you start a new game plus, you can fight Lavos early, which gives you a few new endings, and then there are other ways. Look them up :]
@Bryantzerox A sequel by definition portrays events set in the same fictional universe as its previous work, usually chronologically following the events of that work. So by actual definition it is a sequel regardless if the writers want it to be or not. However what he was probably referring to is the fact that the Chrono Cross does not follow the exact story line of Chrono and is a separate story with new characters making it in his mind, its own work. In its wiki article, CC is a sequel.
For those of you who want to play with this video a little bit: Right before "At the Bottom of the Night" begins to play, cut the audio and put on "Girl who Stole the Stars" from Chrono Cross. Watch the rest of the video. Thematically, the songs are similar, but the latter song might make you look at the ending a little differently. Missed Moment of Awesome, if you ask me.
@thespaceboon101 Well, technically, the game shows she's not wearing a robe, of course, but robes are part of the equipment base, they just don't change the character's appearance as part of the gameplay. Marle (Princess Nadia) is blonde, but does not cast fire spells. She casts Ice spells. Lucca casts fire spells. Unfortunately, that was the original artwork on the SNES game and they didn't bother to correct it.
If you're talking about Guile, he was more a reference to Magus than anything--although they may be trying to retcon that and make him Magus again with this added ending. Guile is the Chrono Cross incarnation of Magil, a character from "Radical Dreamers" that was Magus in disguise, but there's nothing in Chrono Cross to even suggest that Guile is Magus in that timeline.
In the Dimensional Vortex bonus dungeon, you have to go through three times, each time from entering the Vortex in a different time period (Prehistory, 1000AD and 2300AD. Once all three of the clones of Crono, Marle and Lucca are dead, you'll get a new option at the End of Time to fight this boss, the Dream Devourer. Do so by checking the bucket where you normally fight Lavos and instead select Time's Eclipse. You'll wind up where Blackwyn was at the beginning of this clip.
Yep, yep it was. They won a war against Guardia and stole the Masamune (whose new owner went insane with bloodlust and went on a rampage until the Masamune was lost and found by Garai and Radius, and later Dario). Cross, however gives hints that Porre didn't really remained in the area after that and Lucca's letter, dated AFTER the Fall of Guardia, refers to Crono and Marle in present tense implying that they were alive.
@Tyrt8 The thing you have to keep in mind is that this ending was written AFTER Chrono Cross was made. Years later, after the writers had a lot of time to read up on fan ideas. The reason this fits in well with Chrono Cross is because it wasn't in the original game :/ Do a little research on Guile-he was going to be Magus in disguise, but because of plot difficulties, they couldn't do it. So they had to retcon in a new ending to Chrono Trigger to get the games to fit.
@DistantLover666 Two confirmed, as Robo/FATE is the other. The assumption that Crono and Marle are dead comes simply from the fact that Dalton invaded Guardia as revenge, of which, Marle was a princess and future queen and Crono would have become king/consort. Now considering that the invasion was some time ago can only mean that Crono and Marle are dead or as good as dead (possibly hiding out for years, possibly longterm captives). Point is, they're clearly not around anymore.
I don't know if you've played Chrono Cross. It's the sequel and it does help explain in more detail why Schala is fused with the Dream Devourer. I won't mention much more since I hate spoilers. I think the only reason this ending ends like this is since it's supposed to be such a strong tie-in with the events in the sequel. It is kinda lame though since Chrono Cross did come out about 7-8 years prior to the DS port though.
For anyone wondering (I read it from another post, so it could be wrong... But I've played through CT and CC multiple times so it sounds right): Originally they tried to make Guile (in CC) Magus, but couldn't come up with a story for it so they abandoned it. Since they decided to make a port for DS, they made this alternate ending to explain how Guile really is Magus and how he doesn't remember.
Not to mention it's basically saying Schala is consumed from simply having the desire due to her sadness. No reversal, how she even gets to joined with the Dream Destroyer in the first place isn't explained either.
Was trying to find his sister Schala, and the last place he saw her was in the Ocean Palace when he was a kid, where Lavos was first summoned. So yeah, he was looking for Lavos.
No, it was Schala. She was able to manipulate time and space (therefore creating the "Gates") because she was bound to Lavos. It's all explained in Chrono Cross.
@OlgaFlowDivine: This isn't the real one. Its a Prototype. The one you fight in Cross is not only an evolved version, but in a different dimension, as well, before Sergei restores the dimensions.
@Wizlem1 You beat the game like normal, once you beat it, 3 new portals open up in 3 of the time periods. Anyway, at the end of each of them you have to fight a clone of Chrono, Marle or Lucca. Also you have to fight Dalton again in one of them and they imply that he's the one that leads Porre to take over Guardia before CC. So then the portal to fight this boss opens and as you can see, even though they clearly denied that Guile was Magus before, now they imply he is with no memory.
Triggered Chrono Trigger fans in the comments that can't accept that Trigger and Cross are an amazing duology that warrant their connection. Chrono Cross is not a perfect game, but it doesn't ruin Trigger, and if nothing else makes the history and world of both games feel more complete, knowing that Crono's adventure had a definitive beginning, middle, and end. *_Really_* makes me wish we got Chrono Break, to know what "breaking reality" or traversing space would have been like in this world.
@KisiroKitsune If you mean the Time Devourer, he isn't mentioned until near the end of the game(Chrono Cross). And that's the reason this scene was added, cause you NEED this scene in Chrono Trigger for it to make sense, that's why it was added to the post Chrono Cross version(Nintendo DS) and none of the others. You can call it a sequel :P but as I said all connection to Chrono Trigger were shoved in just so they could cash in the "Chrono" name. Look up Radical Dreamers and see for yourself.
Concerning the Magus being Guile point, it's been officially said that there is no connection. However the Guile in Radical Dreamers (Who is not the same Guile in Chrono Cross) is in fact Magus. Radical Dreamers linked Chrono Trigger to Chrono Cross - and answered quite a few questions. However there was still a lot which was not answered and remains speculation until this day.
Oh, I forget to mention. If my memory served right, Kid in RD is former Schala not another clone. Frozen Flame erased her memory and sent her to the future as an infant, then take care by Lucca.
The fusion between Schala and Lavos, as told in Chrono Cross, leads to the Time(Dream) Devourer, which destroys its dimension. It holds timelines for any possible outcome for an event, such as death, life, succeed, or fail. Its good to see the DS used this concept. It just may be the best remake of a game for another system I've seen.
@2un7zu Yes? Either way this ending doesn't ruin the game and is an additional ending. The first ending is the legit one if not these two endings would switch places.
I think that was the point. The Time Devourer in Cross did have Schala on its back like this boss had. I think its safe to say they are one in the same. I like the fact they touched on Magus more. And even nodded ever so slightly toward Radical Dreamers, and his role there.
@Wizlem1 No, the Lavos does exist in the DS version. This is in the future after you beat him. He merges with Schala from within the darkness beyond time. So it is probably in some sort of after game super-boss, I don't know, I don't have the DS version.
@WolfSyn Unfortunately, the Grandfather Paradox makes time travel completely impossible even if scientifically feasible (unless you change things that don't affect your ability or decision to travel in time).
After being unable to stop her mother from summoning Lavos and bringing the downfall of the kingdom of Zeal, Schala became morbidly depressed, I'd say that the dream devourer is a lavos spawn that fused with Schala via magic.
Blame Square-Enix for that stupidity. In fact,I believe the director and writer behind the Chrono series said he has the idea for the future of the story all laid, he just needs approval for a sequel, something Square isn't giving apparently (yet they see fit to throw a bazillion FFXIII's at us, wonderful).
@KurbySama She get's sucked into the vortex by Lavos... and Lavos combines with her because she's so magically powerful.... it's another way for him to further his evolution.
you can see that best on the PSX versions, the characters have huge similarities in the cutscenes.for example, magus looks like piccolo in the way his face is formed and the way he grins
@HowToRandom Not really, the DS version is basically the same except it adds a bunch of new optional quests. If you don't like them you don't have to do them.
@NDominguez89 I think this boss is the Time Devourer before it became the Time Devourer...the end of the battle is when they integrate. ^_^ It would make sense for a boss inserted into a later Chrono Trigger, to further link the two games.
There's this, a monster arena (Monsters VS Monsters like in Chrono Cross), Lost Sanctum (New Area In Death Peak) and a bonus area called the "Dimensional Vortex" where you can have a rematch with Once-King Dalton and a "Dark Crono". Also just the animated cutscenes from the PSX Port of the game.
I havent played this version yet and this boss seems like an awesome addition to the game but im confused about one thing. Why does schala want to take over everything with the dream devourer? I always thought she was against the idea of lavos awakening when she tried to stop her mother from doing so.
@joaoaspimienta The whole plot of Chrono Cross is the answer to the question. The short answer is to use techiques of various colors in a specific order and then use the Chrono Cross.
If you want to get really depressed, consider the implication that Magus will simply start on his quest all over again, ending up in exactly the same place, trapped in the loop of futility for the rest of his existence.
Magus doesn't destroy Guardia, he goes back to his own time at the end of the game, and Chrono Cross specifically states that the kingdom is taken over by the Porre army
Well, it is a retcon of a retcon to be more accurate. Magil was in fact revealed to be Janus in Radical Dreamers. In Chrono Cross he was retconned into a separate character for reasons I do not recall. And I had thought they were keeping it that way. But here is this retcon making him back into Janus... Sorta.
@Pwells1 Possibly? Its addition in no way invalidates anything else, though. Except they kinda explain what happened to Magus now, too. Just seems like it's adding more explanations, and hey, anything extra is cool in my book. Especially once it comes down to it, Chrono Cross is ALL ABOUT this ONE. LAST. Loose end. You just don't realize it right away.
magus never tried to summon Lavos to destroy mankind.. he was in fact.. making a spell so he could not wake up or something like that but he indeed wanted revenge on Lavos, that's for sure
No, that thing isn't just Lavos, it's one of Lavos's offspring thingies that molded to the power or Schala's magic to create it "Time or Dream Devourer" whatever. It's a fusion of the two and uses Schala's magic power...
@ChadMalyan Agreed. Why does such a powerful wizard try physical attacks on a huge kick-ass world destroyer in the first place? Isn't that why he became the King of the Mystics? To become skilled enough in MAGIC to defeat Lavos? There's a tiny little lack of logic here...
If you think about it, everything that happened in CC is a direct result of what happened in CT. If CT never happened, then the events in CC would have never taken place. The Future would have been the destroyed by Lavos like it had been in CT's original future. So when they saved the future, they in fact changed everything we knew and came to love in CT, even their pasts. Although an entirely new cast, CC is in every way, a sequal, as it is what happens after or because of CT.
@HotKukuro just the new boss and u have a thing where u own a monster that can fight against others so if u know people who have this u can let em do battle :D the monster can learn the elements to and transform into many enemies as well :3
just to clear things up Magus is NOT guile BUT janus is guile. this is where it gets complicated, when the time crash happened and janus got sucked into the time portal. That was when an alternate reality was created, this reality called "radical dreamers" a doppleganger of janus was also created, no memories or anything. The people called him guile. This comes from the script writer's explanation. Go to game faqs search radical dreamers on Snes then open the storyline faq, its more detailed.
@taiga2011 Producer =/= Director, just so you know. Also, Chrono Cross IS a sequel. It's not a direct sequel, but it does take place in the same world as Chrono Cross, just some time in the future. The world was also effected by the events that happened in Chrono Cross, which you find out when you see Marle, Luka, and Crono in Chrono Cross. So you obviously need to play Chrono Cross again and do all the side quests to find out. It even has Slash, Ozzy, and that other boss in it.
Up until the very last part I had suspected/hoped this added ending would be a more articulate bridging of Chrono Trigger and Chross (since while it been explained to me, I still think that adding new endings to Trigger this way would have been an awesome way to, with current day foresight, make a somewhat better connection to that time/reality turned upside down whacky sort of follow up.
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"Thank you, Magus, but your sister is in another game!"
Props for that one
hahahaha you kill me,hahahaha,magus is a best B)
Where Crono and his friends failed, it was up to Serge and his friends to finish the job.
Indeed!!! This comment needs way more likes. Most people, being mistaken fools, think CC is a mediocre or bad sequel.... but it is, single-handedly, one of the best examples of a sequel EVER.
@@BigCowProductions CC is garbage, that's why they had to make it relatable to CT by connecting them in the "enhanced" version.
@@skyvipers It seems that you don't know anything about the game. If you had played any meaningful amount of time in it, you would know there were many connections originally, and the story is intrinsically connected to CT. The entire impetus of the spawning of the Home World universe in Cross is directly due to the actions Chrono and Co. took.
When Queen Zeal sent the Prophets across time when they tried to stop her from using the Mammon Machine, Balthasar was flung into the future, 2300AD, where the world was destroyed.
Chrono and Co. beat Lavos, thus saving the future. But there was some stuff with Scahala, and Balthasar concocted a plan reaching across millenia to engineer a way for her to be saved and not joined in with the Time Devourer. He made Chronopolis and researched the time travel stuff with FATE, and ended up technically engineering the events in Chrono Trigger to boot, given how massive his plan was.
There is a lot to it, if you look.
But you'll not have read any of this, or simply will ignore what I'm saying and make fun of me because I used a couple words with more than three syllables.
Good day.
@@BigCowProductions Alright lets talk about this reasonably:
1) It's an assumption from your end that I "don't know anything about the game / haven't put time into it", me liking or disliking the game has nothing to do with a correlation of knowledge about it. Consider why I am here on the video in the first place, it's obvious I'm not some random bot who negative comments videos. I played both CT and CC entirely through. You are basically saying "you must not have played it because you don't appreciate it like I do", which is completely untrue in both regards. I love CT, and I hate CC.
2) Something being related to something else doesn't make it good or bad in itself. For example, you can't claim that "Rise of Skywalker" is good and meaningful because the events of "Return of the Jedi" directly impacted the storyline. Who cares if they are directly related? That doesn't mean it is "objectively good / cool / etc." Something that is good must stand alone on it's own merit, it being related to something else doesn't add or detract from that. The events of CC are (at best) mildly related to CT, which is why there is (despite what you may know) a lot of resentment for it being a crappy sequel.
3) Speaking of that, that is my whole point, in that CT is good by itself. It does not need to add anything to it (or ret-con) to make it better / more relatable. CT is a classic and maybe the greatest game of all time. When they added elements from CC into CT, that only makes it seem desperate to make CC more relatable. Remember when George Lucas in the BluRay edition added Darth Vader saying "No!" in RotJ before he killed the Emperor? Was that necessary? Was it impactful? Who asked for that? This is my reasoning behind my disdain for CC elements being *needlessly* placed in CT. A sequel should be good standing on its own merit, and should not have to add elements into its prequel to make it better / more understandable.
4) I think you can find utmost universal praise for CT and a split fandom for CC. Now I'm not inferring that popularity has anything to do with something being good, but it is a tell-tale sign that when (CT) is beloved and hailed as the greatest JRPG / game of all time, (and CC is not), should give you some context clues about how much negativity there is for CC. Just because you like / love something doesn't make it objectionably well-liked. It's not like I'm calling the greatest game of all time garbage, I'm calling a game that has fans split on love / hate garbage. You may love it, but there is a gigantic fandom of CT that absolutely despises CC. Kinda like how SW fans all praise ESB but are split on TLJ lol. CC is 100% the TLJ of the Chrono Series.
@@skyvipers tu argumento es que CT es mas popular y aclamado como el mejor RPG? Ademas los fan de CT que odian a CC es por su capricho de no ser una historia mas de chrono y compañía.
I have a theory of this ending. I think that the "future" magus is the magus that go inside the dimensional vortex in one of the ending after Marle asks him if he's searching for Schala. After the party is defeated by the dream devourer, Schala send him somewhere and he completely lost all his memories. So I think he has been sent into the world of Chrono cross(the one with Serge alive). Not knowing his name and his purpose, he changed his outfit and became Guile. As for the Magus in our party, he could have seen that or the party that battled the dream devourer told him what happened, and he knew that it was useless to face the dream devourer, so he searched for an other way. And ended up going into the Radical Dreamer. It could somehow explain how Magus is with Serge and Kid in RD, and why Guile looks like Magus. Of course, it's acceptable only if you think that Guile is actually Magus, and if the Magus that watched the "future" Magus being defeated by the dream devourer decided to find another way of saving Schala.
Well I could be wrong, I'm just trying to figure something out of this since it's a little dizzy for me.: /
I agree! I think Guile is Janus after experiencing his amnesia; he falls in line with Serge and Kid and eventually saves his sister via the Chrono Cross. Awesome! Thank you for posting your theory!
Well, that's nothing, just something from my mind. I must correct something, when I said "Chrono Cross(the one with serge alive)" I meant the universe of Chrono Cross. Not the world of Serge since we encouter Magus in the "another world" of Chrono Cross.
How do we encounter Magus in Another World? I don't remember that; I know Lucca mentions him in her letter.
Before entering Viper Manor. The party need to go into the viper manor, and you can choose three ways, one of those is: you choose to go with magus, you find into a bar, he needs a boat to go to a secret passageway to the manor. He join the group if you choose to go with him.
+JackFrost well he might me magus, still no concrete evidence that guile is janus. all speculation, with notable evidence but speculation non the less
Finally freeing Schala in Chrono Cross was one of the few gaming moments that brought me to tears. I still break down every time I hear Life - Distant Promise.
How did Robo...miss. He was touching a giant ass monster...and he missed.
+PheonixLeFey he slipped
PheonixLeFey he missed? how could he miss?! he was 3 feet in front of him!!!
sorry, I just wanted to do that
Rolled a natural 1, I guess
I feel you... This had the potential to be something -amazing-, and it just seemed like a failure of a fan service.
Well from what I believe, the Magus in this ending that got sent to 1000 A.D. is Guile from CC (Because Guile was supposed to be Magus in CC), and the baby at the end of the "traditional" ending is Kid / Schala. The Magus thing I am unsure about, but I know that I am right about Kid / Schala.
... Wow.
That was... that was the most unsatisfying thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
No that was Cross.
@@3rasvok24 Chrono Trigger is the game to trigger or childhood glee. Chrono Cross crosses into what it is to be an adult. Life does not always go our way.
@@SerpentineDeity I love this.
@Fawriel that's what your mom said when you were born
I do watch HCBailly, but this is something I've thought myself, ever since I first got the game years ago. The big thing here is that Chrono Cross itself never once suggests that there's anything more to Guile than just Guile, and as his personality is so strikingly different, I can't shake the feeling that at the time, it wasn't Square's intention that Guile actually be Magus in disguise.
for the ones who does not know, this entire ending is a reference to Chrono Cross (the psx sequel of the original Chrono Trigger), where, as its shown, Schala became the devourer of time, as for magus, he is a playable character on that game, along with almost 50 other characters to add to your party, only thing, if you dont read VERY CAREFULLY or get full story of all of them, you will never know who Magus is on that game, as for he is completely different from his original form since he forgot
@ozTheEndzo Sure Lavos, but that's not Lavos. That's A Schala infused Dream Devourer. Schala is the most powerful magic user to ever exist in the CT world. It might have been quoted by Zeal that Janus could become even more powerful with his attack magic (black magic) but Schala was always the one who could effect time and space. If she didn't like you she could send you to the abyss in a portal. Lavos, or the Dream Devourer would have never had such power w/o Schala
@Lavos XD
@Maskleader You're right, they rework the story to make Serge Magus, for all we know. But that would just be meaningless. We already know that Guile was Magus, and then Magus was canceled. So that's the end of it.
Magus: I must find a way to remember. I will.............first I must change my attire to that of a pimp and a nice mask will do.
Note that this isn't "the complete" ending after defeating Dream devourer. After Magus goes off there is another scene: 1005 AD Guardia Kingdom falls (Magus is destroying it). The hero never appeared, thus the Masamune disappeared...
I'll just consider this ending as "never happened" to maintain what remains of my sanity.
Same goes for the whole CC being a CT sequal thingy.
"If the world is to be saved, let it saved, if the world is to be destroyed, so it be!
If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh"
-magus
Every boss ever on the original... Drop a luminaire, triple kick, and some more dark matter...
When Ayla hits star level, she'll randomly crit for 9999 with normal attacks. This is amazing, and for those who actually persevere to see this change, you'll also know that by then Chrono's Luminaire should only do ~5k or so, depending on the build. Thus, when it comes down to pure power, Ayla is the one to use (you may also want to consider giving her the counterattack accessory).
Peaple are saying that Chrono Cross is not a sequel to Chrono Trigger, not only is, but theres a official text game, Radical Dreamers, narrating events between the two games. So peaple, do a little digging before say things like that.
@Marymvhupsel Essentially, he becomes the character of Guile, the magician. Originally Guile was supposed to definitively be Magus, but they didn't have time to included the storyline during development, so they just had Guile be a shadowy, possibly Magus, possibly not type of character. When this DS version came out, it appears they retconned the plot allowing Magus to be Guile again, because he doesn't "remember" who he is.
The story of chrono cross is an expansion on radical dreamers in which guile in revealed to definitely be magus. He had amnesia there too.
* Spams dark bomb with magus and spams slurp kiss and mp recovering items. Also equips status immunity gear*
Me in link voice: I WON.
I like Chrono Cross as a single game but it is crap as a sequel, it basically makes the effort of Chronos team useless... Also Schalahs fate sucks...
But Magus would be the perfect opportunity for another game. He as main character has to get his memory back and then safe Schalah. Possibly he could get the teammates from Chrono Trigger together. That would also be a opportunity for Chrono to have some personality...
Chrono Cross is about possibilities. Since Serge touched the frozen flame, that piece of lavos that is capable of making miracles and evolution happen, created two worlds as siamese:
home world: serge is alive / apocalipsis in 1999 happened / crono and friends possibly died
another world: serge is dead / apocalipsis in 1999 didn't happen / crono and friends possibly lived
since Chrono Trigger left a cliffhanger with Schala dissapearing, Chrono Cross took it very well and made Lavos the Time devourer in the darkness beyond time when he trapped Schala, there he was consuming all the existence. Basically Chrono Cross tells the story of Serge, the spiritual succesor of Crono, destroying Lavos so that everything that happened in Chrono Trigger wouldn't have been for nothing. It all happened, Chrono Trigger mattered. Chrono Cross is the next generation's heroes so that time wouldn't get destroyed. Nothing was ruined.
Once that was over, the siamese worlds got cut and went into different routes: and that's where Kid and Serge hurt since they won't see each other again and probably they aren't going to remember, they will just "know" when they meet each other again. And that's Kid's promise
Giancarlo Giovannetti that’s a lot of work to connect the two. Honestly I think Cross would have been fine with a different name and a universe of its own.
False. Chrono Cross is one of the best sequels of all time
@@giancarlog89 Well said. Cross' Home World was ACTUALLY the divergent universe created by the actions of Crono and Co., and the 'Another World' was the universe where they didn't.
The entire reason Chrono Cross even exists is due to the actions Crono and Co. make, and the story OF CC is only possible when taking into account what Crono and Co. did.
Kid (from chono cross) is an orphan, Lucca took her in her house, then Lynx and Harle (bad guys of cc), burnt the house and killed Lucca. Plus the events in CC occur in a distant continet from the lands we played in CT, called El Nido.
This is embarrassing, even those dialogues sound like fanfiction. The stupid sequel and all the shenanigans they pulled on the ports for other consoles because of it will never be able to taint the legacy of the masterpiece that was the original.
You know that this ending was made to retcon CT into CC right? So it does sound like that because CC was made to give Schala her ending and her being/getting rescued, even tho the process and connection and somesuch is utterly confusing and kidna stupid, esp when the main game of CC doesnt resolve around it and Schala becoming more of a role only during the.. technically post main story fight, cuz the Dragon God was the final boss in compare to the Time Devourer.
Yes. Kid is the girl that Lucca found during the final movie scene. And the Dream devourer is the final boss in Chross
Ugh....I hate how they re-released chrono trigger to tie more directly into cross....god chrono cross just ruined the great ending chrono trigger had.
Finally, someone with common sense! I don't get why Chrono Cross has so much fans, its stupidly convolluted storyline tried so hard to drag Chrono Trigger with it in a desperate intent to gain some of its greatness, that it completely destroyed the awesome storyline of the original. I like to belive Chrono Cross is nothing but bad fanfiction. I mean, the original development team was not even involved in Chrono Cross; I would really respect that game if it wasn't for its storyline, why to make everything what was achived in Chrono Trigger pointless?
lyricalmage Everything achieved in Chrono Trigger was not pointless, which you would know if you had actually played Chrono Cross. Chrono Trigger's timeline continues as Another World, it's just Home World timeline that has the Day of Lavos actually happening. And really, in an endless multiverse of endless possibilities, that was bound to happen eventually. That was the whole point of Chrono Cross's plot: Belthazar figured out that not only would Lavos still be alive in the Darkness at the End of Time, but that Schala was still merged with it. He worked the whole thing out so that Serge would defeat the Time Devourer, free Schala, and ensure that Crono's success stayed a success. Stop being such a damn baby because Cross wasn't the game YOU wanted it to be.
TheWoodaba It is made pointless in the moment they don't even care to explain what happened to the previous protagonists (they only tell you that lucca found that baby clone of schala and raised her, then ends dying out of nowhere with the causes lacking of a clear explanation in the actual game, because there are only speculations of what happened from what I read) , heck even the fanbase of the game there is no clue of what happened to Crono or Marle. And how come Crono is the sucessor of Marle's father if in no more than 2 years after his adventure evrithing they fought for and their kingdom has gone to trash. Such facts serve as proof for a game that did not care to properly bound itself to its original.
First of all, Lucca didn't die. She died in Radical Dreamers, but she didn't die in Chrono Cross, because Lynx needed her to activate the Prometheus Circuit. You get a letter from her near the end of the game, she is obviously alive. As for the rest of your comment...like I said, stop being such a whiny little bitch because Chrono Cross wasn't the game YOU wanted it to be. The developers didn't see a point in just making a Chrono Trigger 2, and they did something different. And yet whiny little fanboys like you just started bitching "WHAT HAPPENED TO CRONO AND MARLE", like that's all you care about. There is such thing as ambiguity. Plus, your final point doesn't even make sense. Crono is the successor to the kingdom of Guardia because he married Marle, that is how succession worked. You need to quit your endless whining and accept Chrono Cross for what it is, not what you want it to be.
TheWoodaba Oh thank you! You just proved the point, so, Lucca gets manipulated to help some ridiculous cat villain use the remants of Robo for evil purposes, another respectable character destroyed, which is why I don't like Chrono Cross in the first place; really, thank you for reinforcing my point. And my other point wasn't how did Crono become a king because I already know that (didn't you say yourself I was a Crono x Marle fanboy? And I don't know if I am such a fan of them but, when you think of it, they make much better protagonists than a rejected beach boy and a clone of schala), the point was why to make him king of Guardia if the kingdom is going to ruin after 5 years from the day of venturing for saving the world, making all his efforts short-thermed and also making him the weakest king in Guardia history? I mean, if they had any respect for him they could have at least given him 50 years of wise ruling. And I don't need to accept something I do not feel comfortable with, just like anyone is free to agree of disagree with a point of view, grow up kid. Try to give solid arguments to defend your point instead of just tossing insults at people that disagree with you. like I said before this is a game that I would respect if it wasn't because of its awfully convoluted plot that doomed some of my most respected characters from Chrono Trigger. This guy here quite reinforces my point: www.giantbomb.com/profile/twolines/blog/chrono-cross-provocative-or-totally-bonkers-you-de/101428/ eventough he loves Chrono cross for being an awesome game he widely enjoyed he can't help it to observe that is horribly convoluted, maybe not the most objective of analysis, but atleast he not all going like "What I say is universal truth and you need to accept it or else you're a whining bitch!". P.D I do have to thank you for making me laugh so much! you call me whiny fanboy yet you can't even defend Crono Cross without insulting me and refuse to see even the slightest flaw
in your beloved game worshiping it as perfection. Aren't you acting like an upset fanboy? Have a nice life.
There are many different endings in Chrono Trigger. When you start a new game plus, you can fight Lavos early, which gives you a few new endings, and then there are other ways. Look them up :]
No matter how many I tried, no matter how hard I strived, no matter how strong I grew, there is nothing I might do to save you...
@Bryantzerox A sequel by definition portrays events set in the same fictional universe as its previous work, usually chronologically following the events of that work. So by actual definition it is a sequel regardless if the writers want it to be or not. However what he was probably referring to is the fact that the Chrono Cross does not follow the exact story line of Chrono and is a separate story with new characters making it in his mind, its own work. In its wiki article, CC is a sequel.
I love the music that plays during this fight.
For those of you who want to play with this video a little bit: Right before "At the Bottom of the Night" begins to play, cut the audio and put on "Girl who Stole the Stars" from Chrono Cross. Watch the rest of the video. Thematically, the songs are similar, but the latter song might make you look at the ending a little differently.
Missed Moment of Awesome, if you ask me.
The cementing of the fact that Guile was, and always will be, Janus.
@thespaceboon101 Well, technically, the game shows she's not wearing a robe, of course, but robes are part of the equipment base, they just don't change the character's appearance as part of the gameplay. Marle (Princess Nadia) is blonde, but does not cast fire spells. She casts Ice spells. Lucca casts fire spells. Unfortunately, that was the original artwork on the SNES game and they didn't bother to correct it.
You can still get the main ending, this is just an optional one meant to tie into Chrono Cross.
If you're talking about Guile, he was more a reference to Magus than anything--although they may be trying to retcon that and make him Magus again with this added ending.
Guile is the Chrono Cross incarnation of Magil, a character from "Radical Dreamers" that was Magus in disguise, but there's nothing in Chrono Cross to even suggest that Guile is Magus in that timeline.
The story of chrono trigger was quite unique and beautiful.
Indeed.
In the Dimensional Vortex bonus dungeon, you have to go through three times, each time from entering the Vortex in a different time period (Prehistory, 1000AD and 2300AD. Once all three of the clones of Crono, Marle and Lucca are dead, you'll get a new option at the End of Time to fight this boss, the Dream Devourer. Do so by checking the bucket where you normally fight Lavos and instead select Time's Eclipse. You'll wind up where Blackwyn was at the beginning of this clip.
splendid! XDDDD
you expressed exactly what i felt in this moment.. when i saw this clip! x'DD
Yep, yep it was. They won a war against Guardia and stole the Masamune (whose new owner went insane with bloodlust and went on a rampage until the Masamune was lost and found by Garai and Radius, and later Dario). Cross, however gives hints that Porre didn't really remained in the area after that and Lucca's letter, dated AFTER the Fall of Guardia, refers to Crono and Marle in present tense implying that they were alive.
@Tyrt8 The thing you have to keep in mind is that this ending was written AFTER Chrono Cross was made. Years later, after the writers had a lot of time to read up on fan ideas. The reason this fits in well with Chrono Cross is because it wasn't in the original game :/
Do a little research on Guile-he was going to be Magus in disguise, but because of plot difficulties, they couldn't do it. So they had to retcon in a new ending to Chrono Trigger to get the games to fit.
@DistantLover666 Two confirmed, as Robo/FATE is the other. The assumption that Crono and Marle are dead comes simply from the fact that Dalton invaded Guardia as revenge, of which, Marle was a princess and future queen and Crono would have become king/consort. Now considering that the invasion was some time ago can only mean that Crono and Marle are dead or as good as dead (possibly hiding out for years, possibly longterm captives). Point is, they're clearly not around anymore.
I don't know if you've played Chrono Cross. It's the sequel and it does help explain in more detail why Schala is fused with the Dream Devourer. I won't mention much more since I hate spoilers. I think the only reason this ending ends like this is since it's supposed to be such a strong tie-in with the events in the sequel.
It is kinda lame though since Chrono Cross did come out about 7-8 years prior to the DS port though.
For anyone wondering (I read it from another post, so it could be wrong... But I've played through CT and CC multiple times so it sounds right):
Originally they tried to make Guile (in CC) Magus, but couldn't come up with a story for it so they abandoned it. Since they decided to make a port for DS, they made this alternate ending to explain how Guile really is Magus and how he doesn't remember.
Not to mention it's basically saying Schala is consumed from simply having the desire due to her sadness. No reversal, how she even gets to joined with the Dream Destroyer in the first place isn't explained either.
Was trying to find his sister Schala, and the last place he saw her was in the Ocean Palace when he was a kid, where Lavos was first summoned. So yeah, he was looking for Lavos.
No, it was Schala. She was able to manipulate time and space (therefore creating the "Gates") because she was bound to Lavos. It's all explained in Chrono Cross.
@OlgaFlowDivine: This isn't the real one. Its a Prototype. The one you fight in Cross is not only an evolved version, but in a different dimension, as well, before Sergei restores the dimensions.
@Wizlem1 You beat the game like normal, once you beat it, 3 new portals open up in 3 of the time periods. Anyway, at the end of each of them you have to fight a clone of Chrono, Marle or Lucca. Also you have to fight Dalton again in one of them and they imply that he's the one that leads Porre to take over Guardia before CC. So then the portal to fight this boss opens and as you can see, even though they clearly denied that Guile was Magus before, now they imply he is with no memory.
Triggered Chrono Trigger fans in the comments that can't accept that Trigger and Cross are an amazing duology that warrant their connection. Chrono Cross is not a perfect game, but it doesn't ruin Trigger, and if nothing else makes the history and world of both games feel more complete, knowing that Crono's adventure had a definitive beginning, middle, and end. *_Really_* makes me wish we got Chrono Break, to know what "breaking reality" or traversing space would have been like in this world.
I'm more triggered at chrono cross's gameplay. I do not like how it works. AT ALL. Also the normal battle theme is yawning trash.
@SPGoblivion No. You're just blinded by nostalgie.
@KisiroKitsune If you mean the Time Devourer, he isn't mentioned until near the end of the game(Chrono Cross). And that's the reason this scene was added, cause you NEED this scene in Chrono Trigger for it to make sense, that's why it was added to the post Chrono Cross version(Nintendo DS) and none of the others. You can call it a sequel :P but as I said all connection to Chrono Trigger were shoved in just so they could cash in the "Chrono" name. Look up Radical Dreamers and see for yourself.
Concerning the Magus being Guile point, it's been officially said that there is no connection. However the Guile in Radical Dreamers (Who is not the same Guile in Chrono Cross) is in fact Magus. Radical Dreamers linked Chrono Trigger to Chrono Cross - and answered quite a few questions. However there was still a lot which was not answered and remains speculation until this day.
Oh, I forget to mention. If my memory served right,
Kid in RD is former Schala not another clone. Frozen Flame erased her memory and sent her to the future as an infant, then take care by Lucca.
This is only optional.
Also, the Dream Devourer is a pre-evolved form of the Devourer of Time, from Chrono Cross.
Because that is Time Devourer, but a retconned version in which Serge and his team from Chrono Cross aren't the first beings to attempt to destroy it.
The fusion between Schala and Lavos, as told in Chrono Cross, leads to the Time(Dream) Devourer, which destroys its dimension. It holds timelines for any possible outcome for an event, such as death, life, succeed, or fail. Its good to see the DS used this concept. It just may be the best remake of a game for another system I've seen.
@2un7zu Yes? Either way this ending doesn't ruin the game and is an additional ending. The first ending is the legit one if not these two endings would switch places.
I think that was the point. The Time Devourer in Cross did have Schala on its back like this boss had. I think its safe to say they are one in the same.
I like the fact they touched on Magus more. And even nodded ever so slightly toward Radical Dreamers, and his role there.
yes, it's an optional boss after lavos, *SPOILERS* it's supposed to be Time Devourer from Chrono Cross
Oh. Thanks for clearing that one up. It's because I never have had the chance to play Chrono Cross, because it was never released in here.
@Wizlem1 No, the Lavos does exist in the DS version. This is in the future after you beat him. He merges with Schala from within the darkness beyond time. So it is probably in some sort of after game super-boss, I don't know, I don't have the DS version.
@WolfSyn Unfortunately, the Grandfather Paradox makes time travel completely impossible even if scientifically feasible (unless you change things that don't affect your ability or decision to travel in time).
After being unable to stop her mother from summoning Lavos and bringing the downfall of the kingdom of Zeal, Schala became morbidly depressed, I'd say that the dream devourer is a lavos spawn that fused with Schala via magic.
@TheMysteriousAtheist they don't die she just sent them to their own time but this ending basically leads into the sequel
That comfirms it. Guile IS Magus. He just forgot everything even his name and started anew. And that place is probably the Chrono Cross period
Blame Square-Enix for that stupidity. In fact,I believe the director and writer behind the Chrono series said he has the idea for the future of the story all laid, he just needs approval for a sequel, something Square isn't giving apparently (yet they see fit to throw a bazillion FFXIII's at us, wonderful).
@KurbySama She get's sucked into the vortex by Lavos... and Lavos combines with her because she's so magically powerful.... it's another way for him to further his evolution.
you can see that best on the PSX versions, the characters have huge similarities in the cutscenes.for example, magus looks like piccolo in the way his face is formed and the way he grins
@HowToRandom Not really, the DS version is basically the same except it adds a bunch of new optional quests. If you don't like them you don't have to do them.
@leonpal14 Well, it helps when you realize the character designer for Chrono Trigger was in fact, Akira Toriyama, the guy who created Dragonball.
Ah. Thanks!
I figured he was looking for Lavos, but it was hard to tell with all the chaos.
@LordSolaris yes to some extent. Lavos absorbed her and her powers and some of her consciousness is still in there too.
@NDominguez89 I think this boss is the Time Devourer before it became the Time Devourer...the end of the battle is when they integrate. ^_^ It would make sense for a boss inserted into a later Chrono Trigger, to further link the two games.
There's this, a monster arena (Monsters VS Monsters like in Chrono Cross), Lost Sanctum (New Area In Death Peak) and a bonus area called the "Dimensional Vortex" where you can have a rematch with Once-King Dalton and a "Dark Crono". Also just the animated cutscenes from the PSX Port of the game.
I havent played this version yet and this boss seems like an awesome addition to the game but im confused about one thing. Why does schala want to take over everything with the dream devourer? I always thought she was against the idea of lavos awakening when she tried to stop her mother from doing so.
It’s because she’s just sick, and tired of the world, and just wants to destroy everything see she’s crying in her sprite so that’s why.
@joaoaspimienta The whole plot of Chrono Cross is the answer to the question. The short answer is to use techiques of various colors in a specific order and then use the Chrono Cross.
If you want to get really depressed, consider the implication that Magus will simply start on his quest all over again, ending up in exactly the same place, trapped in the loop of futility for the rest of his existence.
Yeah
When the Magus from the party meets his alternate version, he was surprised but they did not spoke to each other directly
Yes Lavos is still the main final boss, this is an optional battle you can only do after beating the game.
Magus doesn't destroy Guardia, he goes back to his own time at the end of the game, and Chrono Cross specifically states that the kingdom is taken over by the Porre army
Well, it is a retcon of a retcon to be more accurate.
Magil was in fact revealed to be Janus in Radical Dreamers. In Chrono Cross he was retconned into a separate character for reasons I do not recall. And I had thought they were keeping it that way. But here is this retcon making him back into Janus... Sorta.
@Scapps91 The TRUE ending to Chrono Cross would completely beg to differ about Schala dying. It's hard to get, but it's a good one.
No, its has all 12 endings from the DS and a bonus one that you see above.
@Shamshiro I am a sir. Thank you :-) Twas my pleasure that I've entertained a soul.
@Pwells1 Possibly? Its addition in no way invalidates anything else, though. Except they kinda explain what happened to Magus now, too. Just seems like it's adding more explanations, and hey, anything extra is cool in my book. Especially once it comes down to it, Chrono Cross is ALL ABOUT this ONE. LAST. Loose end. You just don't realize it right away.
It wasn't made by the same "people" but Akira Toriyama, the artist for DBZ, did do the art for it. Which is why it's very similar graphically.
magus never tried to summon Lavos to destroy mankind.. he was in fact.. making a spell so he could not wake up or something like that
but he indeed wanted revenge on Lavos, that's for sure
No, that thing isn't just Lavos, it's one of Lavos's offspring thingies that molded to the power or Schala's magic to create it "Time or Dream Devourer" whatever. It's a fusion of the two and uses Schala's magic power...
This is final boss in Chrono Cross. Where Chrono and his friends fail, Serge and his party succeeded
@ChadMalyan Agreed. Why does such a powerful wizard try physical attacks on a huge kick-ass world destroyer in the first place? Isn't that why he became the King of the Mystics? To become skilled enough in MAGIC to defeat Lavos? There's a tiny little lack of logic here...
If you think about it, everything that happened in CC is a direct result of what happened in CT. If CT never happened, then the events in CC would have never taken place. The Future would have been the destroyed by Lavos like it had been in CT's original future. So when they saved the future, they in fact changed everything we knew and came to love in CT, even their pasts. Although an entirely new cast, CC is in every way, a sequal, as it is what happens after or because of CT.
nevermind, I just checked, it is in CC, except there, it's called the time devourer
i just love the music when you fight lavos at 3:35 it gets so epic!
@HotKukuro just the new boss and u have a thing where u own a monster that can fight against others so if u know people who have this u can let em do battle :D the monster can learn the elements to and transform into many enemies as well :3
It's basically just a tie-in ending to make it clearer to people that yes, Chrono Cross wasn't some joke troll, it was the ctual sequel to Trigger.
just to clear things up
Magus is NOT guile BUT janus is guile.
this is where it gets complicated, when the time crash happened and janus got sucked into the time portal. That was when an alternate reality was created, this reality called "radical dreamers" a doppleganger of janus was also created, no memories or anything. The people called him guile. This comes from the script writer's explanation. Go to game faqs search radical dreamers on Snes then open the storyline faq, its more detailed.
while it is a lavos copy, the enemy itself is unfolded in Chrono Cross that it is formality taken by combining Lavos and schala
@taiga2011
Producer =/= Director, just so you know.
Also, Chrono Cross IS a sequel. It's not a direct sequel, but it does take place in the same world as Chrono Cross, just some time in the future. The world was also effected by the events that happened in Chrono Cross, which you find out when you see Marle, Luka, and Crono in Chrono Cross. So you obviously need to play Chrono Cross again and do all the side quests to find out. It even has Slash, Ozzy, and that other boss in it.
Up until the very last part I had suspected/hoped this added ending would be a more articulate bridging of Chrono Trigger and Chross (since while it been explained to me, I still think that adding new endings to Trigger this way would have been an awesome way to, with current day foresight, make a somewhat better connection to that time/reality turned upside down whacky sort of follow up.
Chross is Trigger's sequel. Apparently the main enemy is the dream devourer, but I've never played it so I can't be sure.