Making a Double Winding Staircase
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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This video is a wee bit of a tutorial of how I make a double winding staircase
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I miss doing this type of work, drawing on an 8x4, turning that drawing into a functioning item, admittedly, I used a pickles trencher for the straight sections. I autocad the hell out of it now but this is a dying skill. cnc requires a person with this skill but you won't learn it on autocad with a cnc. The places where you can learn this are becoming rare and I wonder in 50 years time when we are no longer in the game and the next generations are sat in a corner figuring out why this gouge chisel isn't flat and whats a block plane, how crap will the standards be. You should do a video on carving a curved lenght of handrail out of a solid piece to fry everyones brains and help explain why it's so expensive. That way I can refer them to the video when I give a price and I hear "but it's only a 4ft lenght of oak handrail" . Or better, do a video on the stupidity of the enquiry "I'm looking for a stairs but I'm on a budget, do you do walnut?"
Thank you Scott
Yes the world has gone all to pot 😄 you sound like old school 👍
Think I’ll pin your comment to the top.
Thanks for commenting and for watching 👍📐🔨😄
@@GaryThomsonJoinery I enjoyed the video, I'm in my early 40s but specialising in stairs 20 years. Trained in a very old school joinery, the computer was solar powered and had Casio written on it. The trade is dying, sadly and there are very few my age or younger who can make stuff like this by hand or carve shapes out of solid timber instead of laminating the hell out of anything. The sad truth is everyone wants hand crafted until they hear the price. Also the generation learning now get pieces that go together like Lego and as soon as something doesn't click, they fall flat on their faces. The guy on the computer has to know his stuff and the positive is one skilled guy can feed 5 or 6 unskilled guys with amazing work but now when I drive a wedge, it's financially uneconomical. I understand it and I know that if you don't try stay with the times you doom your business but I do even miss spending an evening watching TV while extracting half a forest out of my hands. Enjoyed the video, it's nice to see the differences and the similarities aswell
@@scottnicholls2523 thank you 👍🔨📐😄
Afternoon, where do you get your timber sheets from and what are there sizes thanks Gary
Finally, a true skilled carpenter working in the traditional way! There are so many pretenders on RUclips who rely on pneumatic nailers, glue and “that’s close enough” for everything. My compliments to you, Gary!
Thank you Brian 👍🔨📐😄
Im a carpenter of 25 years Gary , you are a credit to yourself and the person that taught you
, I have to say , Your work is textbook , and the vid is helpfull to people like me
fairplay for having the balls to post it , As others with that level of skill dont , there are not many guys like you out there
Dave
Thank you Dave , it’s nice to here a nice comment and you’re obviously in the trade. The CNC machines are killing the traditional methods.
Thanks again 👍😄🥃
Loved the line about the cookie - would've done justice to a pro comedian that one! This joinery is quite superb and a very much underrated branch of woodworking. A master craftsman indeed. A compliment from an English rugby fan, you remind me of Gary Armstrong, ex-Scotland scrum half. Great player and warrior.
Thank you Philly. Have a nice day 👍😄
Very talented man,if the other stair guy knows more about stairs than yourself he must be something. Along with yourself, Neil McKinley and Gid joiner all guys worth watching, cheers.
Thank you Alan that’s a really cool thing to say 👍😄📐🔨
4:25 - "I'm not a teacher". No Gary you're not, you're the master - i've never seen so much care taken on projects. Keep up the good work!
Thank you Rian that’s a very cool comment mate 😄👍📐🔨
who knew genius ideas could be so basic!!!?!?!? what an amazing concept, thank you - top vid!
This guy is the real deal! No nail guns, fit where it touches and mastic the gap here! 👍
Brilliant Mate! You talk about another carpenter who's a genius at stair building. Well you're no slouch yourself. Love the humour, but most of all, the know-how. Cheers from another stair-builder across the pond.
Completely blown away by the skill involved. Gary, you are my hero !
With the codes here in the U.S. (at least in Michigan)
we need 6" on the short side, BUT 12" from edge (the walk line) we need 10" tread depth. That's tough to get in a lot of situations and makes winders a challenge in tight spaces.
nice video, but I would have liked to see a few shots of it completed, ie, from the bottom of the stair, from the side to show the outside of the striger . Great work though.
Its easy to underestimate the work, skill and knowledge that goes into building a set of winder stairs. Great job there pal. I laughed out loud when chomped on that chocolate cookie. Cheers.
Uncle Bob is a great man beautiful work 👍
Great video Gary, good see a proper timber staircase being handmade with just the standard routers etc, you make it look easy Top Work, good info too with the drawing out, keep the videos coming your a great talent 🔨
Thank you Sean, very nice comment 👍😄📐🔨
Beautiful staircase.
Very helpful. Thanks
Gary thomson joinery you sir are a proper,old school carpenter which is nice to see these days! Similar to Dave Sutton I remember being taught how to calculate,lay out and then go on to make a staircase when I was in college but then had very little use for that knowledge for over ten years until a working holiday to the Lake District region of France.i had gone with a friend to his parents new purchase,a lovely and large traditional French farmhouse to dig out and lay a patio and his parents friends were doing up their property as a swanky bed and breakfast. A French "artisan," had promised to design and build a big oak staircase for them but he let them down as he hadn't allowed for a massive 2ft square wooden beam that supported the roof being smack bang in the middle of his planned staircase so he upped and left them in the lurch.
It's okay my friends dad said, "Gareth's a joiner,he will do it for you!" (For free I should add!)
I didn't have a drawing board or scale ruler or anything which was how I'd been taught but I persevered and came up with what was essentially a quarter turn but unlike yours I built a platform with four treads up to it and then a second straight flight from that platform up to the landing.i got every rise exactly the same aswell as the treads being the same depth and I was absolutely made up as it had been playing on my mind so was a real accomplishment for me.
I had to go with the small platform to get around the big dock off supporting post and I wouldn't have been able to do a true winder like yours and the couple I'd built it for didn't speak a word of English.
I haven't made another since though I would absolutely love to but regardless of whether I get to do another or not I will always remember the beautiful,solid French oak one that I created as a still slightly wet behind the ears 26 year old semi accomplished joiner. Man I love this trade and thank you for this video as it is easily the best stair video on RUclips! I hope that your well sir and david Sutton that knowledge is still up there in your head and if you were pushed to do so you would be able to construct a masterpiece of your own.
Thank you so much mate for taking the time to tell me about that job. I recon that other guy got scared and ran off 😄
We have the best job in the world 👍😄
Thanks for watching commenting and subbing 👍😄📐🔨
Yes you have a gift sir a gift fantastic thanks for sharing it 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you Brian and you’re welcome mate, glad you enjoyed it 👍😄
Thx for the vid! I’m a joiner in the US, but I don’t have the opportunity to build many stair cases. It’s obvious you have built many. If I ever build a winder I’ll most certainly reference your video!
Thanks Martin
When you do feel free to ask any questions 👍📐🔨😄
Wow, i never realised how much work goes into a staircase like that...superb job Gary
It’s a wee bit like a jigsaw puzzle 😄👍
Thanks for watching Paul
@@GaryThomsonJoinery Thanks will say hello at Makers Central
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that is a hell of a job Gary
impressive to see a real artisan at work
Thanks mate, it was heavy 😬👍😄
Always a pleasure to watch you work Gary. 👍 looking forward to seeing you later in the year.
Thank you Mate, I’ll see you in a couple of weeks, hope you’re keeping well 😄👍
Gary Thomson Joinery lol yeah, I hadn’t realised it’s only a couple of weeks away! I’m doing a lot better 😎
I've got a mind-boggling open stair build coming up with no risers and a winder at the top. Any videos on your channel that would help with that?
Excellent man perfect video and brilliant tips for someone who's made staircase in his own backyard.
Its always nice to see what you can make from the mind onto the paper into the real
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Thank you mr lonewolf 👍📐🔨
Amazing Job Gary, you made it look easy, as a joiner, sadly I know different, didn’t get to make many staircases, I like the way you set it out on the bench. Keep safe.
Thank you mate. 👍🔨📐😊
My ultimate dream to do what you do ❤️. Currently I just make everything on site.
Thank you 👍🔨📐😄
A+ on everything about this video. Thank you.
Thank you for your nice comment 👍
I'll never understand you metric guys ! I live in Canada we went metric year's ago yet we still use imperial ! Never the less you did a wonderful job on that job buddy ! Thanks for the video ! 👍🇨🇦
Thanks Robert 👍😄 metric,,,,, inches 😬
i would of broke down crying just trying to work out the drawing lol amazing skills
Thank you mate, nice comment,
Sorry I took so long to reply. 👍😄
Great video, a pleasure to watch, thank you..
😂 You had me cackling good. Ohhh, I love you, man. You're the bomb! 🥰
Thanks for the videos.
👍📐🔨😄 Thank you
Don’t see enough of you mate 😀
Thanks Paul, I’ll try get more stuff up rather than the big projects 👍😄
Gary Thomson Joinery You are a craftsman anybody can see that. More contemt would be great but not easy producing top quality work and editing for RUclips but its all appreciated. All the best Gary
Wow! That's a big undertaking. Nice work. Great video and editing too
Thank you Mate, yes it was heavy, I could have done with a hand from you. Keep up with the videos, they’re a joy to watch 👍😄🔨📐
Nice work. The radius on the stringers is interesting, I have never seen that before. I enjoyed watching and understood everything except the millimeters...but I gather that 36" is the minimum in the UK.
Brilliant Gary, can't wait to meet ya!!
Afternoon Jake, yes looking forward to seeing you too, when do you actually arrive in the UK ? Will you spend a couple of weeks here? 👍😄
Gary Thomson Joinery I’m getting there on the 8th and I will be staying for 2 weeks.. lots of people and places to see!! 😄
Yes, you’re going to be busy 👍
Hi Gary all your video's are great and you've given me the confidence to tread forward ! I wish I'd done my apprenticeship within your circle. it's a pleasure watching another craftsman who cares about quality workmanship.
Thank you Russell 👍📐🔨😄
Top work Gary, proper joinery.
Thank you Raymond 👍😄
Brilliant!!! Having made a small staircase at college, I'll bow down to the skill you so modestly show on your videos Gary. I'm at makers central all weekend, so hopefully I'll get to say hello. Keep up the brilliant videos buddy. 👍
😄 thank you Jim and yes I’ll say hi at the weekend. Thanks for watching mate 👍
Fantastic. Seeing you mark it all out like that is such a great way to get your head around the layout. Learnt a lot!
Now this is real joinery 👍🏻 and you knew my uncle was Bob as well 😉
Thank you mate, there should be at least one uncle Bob in every family 😎👍
Thank you
You’re welcome Alan 👍
Excellent video, Its been a while since i have had to manufacture a winding staircase, i will be making one for my students soon and this will help me demonstrate and articulate the process, thank you!!
Brilliant Ian,
That sounds interesting. Let me know if you need me to go into more detail about a specific area. I don’t profess to know everything but would gladly help. Thanks for watching 👍🔨📐😄
You know the craic Gary that's for sure!
Delicious mate.
Thanks for the follow otherwise I may not of found your channel which is awesome so I’m glad you did 😎 👏🏼
Cheers 🍻
Beautiful work as usual Gary. Staircases are like magic to me. I understand the words you're saying but when it all comes together like that my brain explodes. 🤣👍🛠️👊
Thank you Andy, it’s easier than you think but very unforgivable if you get it wrong, packing my suitcase 😄 I’ll have to make room for all the stickers!!! 😎
Me as well 🤣 making my first one, Im just scratching my heed here 🤣
Very nice job. I would have made it in 3 sections and joined them on site. Assemble it once and be done. I learned from My father a Scott.
I like CRAFTMAN SHIP!!! its what makes a man!!!👍👌👌👌
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Wow beautiful staircase garry I love it when a job comes together beautiful mate......
Very impressed.
Beautiful piece of work.
Thank you Richard 👍📐🔨
Wow! such a great job.
Thank you sir 👍😄
Simply...AWESOME!!
Thank you Steven 👍📐🔨😄
Top class work , I really learn watching your video, i do stair cases but i dont know how to mark the stringers in work shope , i always do on the wall on site to make stair , can you teach me plz , m keep learning watching your skills
Thank you Gary, that was a cracker jack job. Interesting and very informative. Hugh
That you Hugh 👍😄📐🔨
Wow. Great work
Masterpiece dude
Super video , well done , I have a staircase to make very like that one soon as the timber yard opens after this bloody virus , I was playing with the idea of assembling it in the shop but I think on site construction is the way to go now , especially because it’s going in above an already fitted staircase , greetings from the Republic of Ireland and thanks again
Thanks Patrick, yes always safer to put it together on site, I’ve been caught out a couple of times not doing that.
Sounds like a loft conversion (stair above stair)
Send some pics 👍😄
Gary Thomson Joinery , I certainly will ,
Gary Thomson Joinery check out my Facebook page pakie o mahony carpentry and joinery will give you some idea of the stuff I get up too , if you’d like , 👍
You got the chocolate cookie so we can only assume...................!
Wow. That was amazing. Really nice work Gary!
Thank you Zackary, hope you’re feeling better now, 👍😄🔨📐
Superb mate. Great video style as well. Please do more videos and pass on your knowledge.
Awesome! Aloha from the big island of Hawaii.
Nice, I know you’re having better weather than here (minus -2)
Thanks for watching 😄🔨📐👍
Oh no doubt on the weather...lol I don't miss snow, how ever the volcano is erupting calmly but still exciting to see and winter brings high surf 7 to 10 meters which can blow your mind to see and feel the break. Have great day!
👍 you too,
Total Class....way to go👍
Awesome! Its funny though this video caught my attention because two sets of winders in one flight is against code where I live! Very interesting differences in code!
Also winders for us dont require a minimum tread thickness at the edge!
Instead of measuring halfway on the tread for our tread depth we are taught to use an average 450mm walking line from the tightest wall to determine tread depth
I live in Alberta, Canada btw
Yes I think some places do have that rule but I’m not sure why, perhaps it’s an access issue ( furniture up and down)
Thanks for watching and what is your area?
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I just saw the re edit comment, Canada 🇨🇦 👍
AWESOME! NICE SET OF STAIRS!YOU DID A GREAT JOB!
Superb mate 👍. If you make a few winders make your self a 30 deg template , it’s great for setting out the kites .
Noticed your trenching , I’ve allways done 12 mm . Big elu router 😉 I would love to show you how I set a flight out . I come up with it years ago . Cheers pal . T .
Thank you Terry, yes I love making staircases however the CNC has killed that one. They’re few and far between now.
Nice getting noticed by someone who knows their stuff. Thanks again 👍📐🔨😊
Great video Gary. Could you do a video of how you set out the sweep of strings for the kite winders.
Top class Gary and a excellent video. I'm blown away with the finished product.
I'm a time served carpenter I remember being though the basics of stair building back in the collage days but as the old saying goes if you don't use it you lose it.
Do you know off any courses that teach these skills, just seems to be dying out..
If you were thinking of setting up a patrons account to support the channel I would gladly donate 👍
Hey David, that’s a great comment so I’ve pinned it to the top of the video, thank you, stair making is definitely a dying art. You’re a Joiner so you’ll know that already. 🍺👍😄🔨📐
Enjoyed the watch matey 👌
Long time since I made a winder! Do you glue the wedges and not the treads? Or glue everything?
Also how do you keep it clamped when assembling onsite? Did you screw through the outside?
Hello mate, yes I used to make about 20 winders a year but now they’re getting very few. CNC machines are rattling them out in quarter the time.
To answer your question though,,,, glue everything, some say about the end of treads not because of expanding and contracting but I don’t think that’s possible when the wedges are glue and banged in tight they go no where 😄
Also they don’t squeak either.
The other question about screw in the treads,,, yes through the face if it’s not seen and up in at an angle from under the tread inside.
Drill your pilot holes for your screws through the ends of the treads first. I drill them from end grain and come out the underside if you know what I mean. Then find the perfect length of screw.
If you can use sash clamps to pull all together when assembling ( often not possible)
Thanks Mate 👍😄
It’s been a long time- good to see some more content
Thank you Ben, hopefully get more stuff up more regularly 👍
Gary, that’d be good. I’m more of a site carpenter but do my own joinery when it’s required. I reckon I could tackle a double winder after watching this again, thanks mate
Yes go for it, easier than you think although very unforgiving if you get it wrong 😄👍
Great to see you back on youtube with a new video. I'm gutted that maker central clashes with Camp Quirky this year, I'll just have to get to see you some other way.
That cookie joke absolutely cracked me up :D keep doing what you are doing and hope to see you soon.
Thank you Greg
yes, will definitely catch up with you at some point and it’s a pity the two things clashed. Looking forward to watching the video. You’ll have a massive fan base at the conference 😄 hope you both are having fun 😄👍
Absolutely love the content, exceptional. But the music is very distracting.
Thank you Danielle, sorry about the music 😊
awesome work Gary, keep the vids coming
thank you Steven 👍😊
Hi Gary, great work, top class. I have a very similar staircase to fit into my house, between the upstairs and attic. There's only the back wall to support the sides and as it will be fitted above another staircase, it can't have pillared support either. I could affix the newels up the attach on the attic floor, but is there any rules on that? I'm worried that building control will pull me up. Cheers, Stan.
Thanks Stan
Not sure without seeing some drawings but a couple of things.
1 if the stairs is going up to one room I believe you can get away with a narrower staircase (700mm) but if not 900mm and you must have that throughout the whole staircase, no narrow bits.
Thanks for watching 👍📐🔨😄
Awesome job as usual Gary👌 and another great video packed with top tips and information 👍 hoping we can catch up at maker central 😉👍
Yes for sure, Thanks Mark, 😄👍
Great work top man 👍
Thanks Herby 👍
Great job, Gary, but why did you need to strip the partition? Surely it’s less work to leave the plasterboard on then spike or screw fix through the plasterboard.
Thanks James. That was the old partition. A new partition was put up about a foot away from the old one. I just made space for the stair to go in then I knocked the rest down later. Thanks for watching 👍🔨📐😄
i need to change the 6 lower rungs can i use 22mm playwood? stairs under the carpet.
I've built a lot of stairs but never 225 tread , not much room i take it , didn't even think that be legal ,
Nop, never said the tread was 225mm, The going is 225mm there’s a difference between the tread and the going.
The going is the distance between the rise of one step to the rise of the other step
The tread is the width of the step plus the overhang.
The total tread is about 248mm and it’s rise is about 204mm.
I must have said a dozen times the going is 225mm, if at any point ( and I don’t recall) that I called the tread 225mm then that was a verbal typo and I think most Joiners watching would have realised that.
Please send me the time stamp where I said the tread is 225mm, you could be right but it’s an error having said the going is 225 so many times.
The legal requirement here in the Uk is a tread,,,,, no less than 245mm and a angle rake of no more than 42 degrees.
It must have a minimum of 16mm overhang of the Tread over the rise.
For a loft conversion you want to have the minimum footprint of the stairs and still be within legal requirements.
Thanks for commenting though, stairs are one of my favourite jobs to do but becoming less and less due to the CNC online stairs.
Impossible to match those prices.
Hope all is well with you guys there, I hear your getting so much nonsense from the authorities, 👍
Nice work.
Thanks mate 👍
Great video
Thank you James 👍😊
Nice 👍 so I’m going up in the world 😂
Top class Gary. Do you still have the big workshop
Thanks Dan, nop slightly small more useful space. 👍
The things we do for a chocolate cookie … I hope he remembered to zipped up after you kissed his “bald head” cheers john:)
Thanks John 👍😄
You can have my chocalate cookie if you kiss my bold head ..... weirdo .......proceeds to eat cookie 😅😅🤣🤣🤣comedy gold lol.
Very good video bud. Is the winder box same width as the stairs?
Hi Gary, I’m new to your channel. Truly amazing craftsmanship. Some joiners say it’s a lot cheaper to have a staircase made from a mass producer. Just wondered if you could give a ball park figure of material costs for something like this for example? Do you ever opt for the mass produced / pre made staircases?
I think it’s a case of YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR🤣
I love to watch a craftsman at work!!
Yes the CNC machine has killed it for me. Was making about one a month at one time but now it’s very few. Material is about £350 to £400 for decent redwood material.
Thanks for watching Paul and please excuse the corny jokes 👍😄
@@GaryThomsonJoinery nothing like a blinding joke mate!!! Thanks for the reply. Can’t wait to see more
Great vid. And that 🍪 haha
Thanks Tom 👍🔨📐😄
Hi Gary, am I right in thinking when you fit a double winder, you can't hook the top winders outer stringer and newel post over the trimmer joist ?
Hi Jon, you can actually. You can add a short 4x2 nailed on to the trimmer to catch and take the weight. The 4x2 sits under the top last tread which is only 75mm noseing actually.
Thanks for watching and I see you just subscribed too 👍
Thank you for your reply Gary. Does the 4x2 just sit underneath your top nosing peice without notching your newel post and stringer around it.
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took me a month to do a straight staircase, up into a barn loft. lol. still not done really. lots of finish work. this buy did a staircase in 5 minutes. (lol).
You are Genious, Wizard ! Hats Off to You my Good Man .!! These days they call it GOAT. Okie Dokie , Fine, 2 -3 Times, FINEST. To Other RUclipsrs, CHECK out his other vids. Given that GT Is KING of the Joinery, Do check out the vid on Project Layouts. Given the great layout on paper to transfer to wood during 2nd layout, pre-construction , makes it Most Ingenious. Do I Get any college credits for watching .?? Big Kev from The Coast
Thanks Kev and what coast? 👍📐🔨😄
This was inspirational :) What do you use for drawing and making plans. Or are you so skilled that you do it with pen and paper only.
Hope to hear from you.
Hi Mate, for stairs I’ll do a one to one Plan View on a sheet of plasterboard (paper )
I know what each step rise is from the size on site.
I’ll sometimes do a CAD drawing but not really necessary.
However for my other jobs (Wardrobes Bookcases and Furniture) I’ll always do a CAD drawing.
I use a ViaCad to do the drawings. They’re American and can purchase online.
Thanks for your nice comment and have a nice weekend 👍📐🔨😄
That bit about kissing the guy's bald head killed me.
What's the pitch of the stairs please? thx
Hi Natalia, good question, here in the UK the max you can go to here is 42 degrees. I think this one is just over 41 degrees. Thanks you 👍
@@GaryThomsonJoinery Thanks a lot!
You sir are a true craftman. Every time to post a new video I cant wait to watch it.
#googletwitface
Thank you Matt 😄👍👍 google twitface 😄😄 that’s funny actually 😂
I understood "plasterboard" then got lost. Impressed though.
Sorry mate
The accent, must try and lose some of it when I’m filming 😄
Accent is fine. Never had a problem with Welsh ;-) I got lost because I'm completely dopey and haven't done enough joinery to appreciate even the basics. Sometimes I'm just content to be impressed.
How about Scottish 👍😄
hahaha you kissed his bald head!
Furry boots are yi fae min?
Ah balmedie!
I'm at Keith. Have to come and pic your brains sometime.