I'm so happy and grateful that this channel exists. My uncle's third tour in Vietnam was as a military advisor to an ARVN Ranger battalion. He was on the ground with them during the Battle of An Loc. My uncle volunteered because he had come to care deeply about the Republic of Vietnam. He truly believed in the ARVN. They were exceptionally brave, dedicated, and highly motivated fighting men. My uncle was successful in helping quite a few of his ARVN friends and their families evacuate to the US before the Communist takeover. But most chose to die on the battlefield fighting the PAVN to the bitter end. America abandoned South Vietnam when it needed us most. It's a stain on out national honor.
Thanks to your uncle for his long, hard service! Oh you might like the An Lọc battle series on this channel then. The Rangers were deployed to the NE of the city during the siege and they were reported by all to have been excellent fighters. Unfortunately a lot of your fellow Americans would believe that the stain on the national honour would be to "invade Vietnam" (it was reinforcing the South, in reality) in the first place rather than to abandon the South.
Would you passed on a big thank you to your brave uncle for his service and sacrifice. Thank you for your positive view on the American involvement in Vietnam . The brave American soldiers were in Vietnam to help the fledging South Vietnamese government to defend its territory. If they were the invaders then North Vietnam would not be existed today as they would be wiped by the might of the American military
@@tanletran7270 My uncle to this day flies the flag of South Vietnam just below our national colors on the pole in his backyard. He lives in an area where many of his neighbors are ARVN veterans. His son, my cousin, actually married the daughter of a former South Vietnamese Airborne officer who lived down the street. So the Republic of Vietnam very close to the hearts of my family. We are very lucky that so many of its people made America their new home. In regards to latter part of your comment, I 100% agree. Americans have unfortunately been grossly misled over the years by politically biased historians. Lies that have been repeated so many times that they become "the truth." They portray the Communists as freedom fighters and relegated the South Vietnamese to bungling puppets with no clear motivation for fighting. It's complete and utter BS. South Vietnam's motivations were remarkably similar to those of South Korea in 1950. They were young republics who aspired to be functioning democracies. They regarded communist expansion as a pestilence and were willing to fight and die to keep it out of their country. But just like South Korea, South Vietnam needed our help. The North had the firm backing of China and the Soviet Union. We did the right thing by throwing our support behind South Vietnam. Unfortunately we had morons like Lyndon Johnson, Bob McNamara, and General Westmorland prosecuting the war. They were totally incompetent and had absolutely no appreciation for the type of war we were fighting. If America had the proper leadership in 1965 instead of 1969, there would still be a South Vietnam today. But even despite the late start of Vietnamization, ARVN very quickly became a fighting force not only able to stand toe to toe with the communists, but also kick their ass. The Easter Offensive of 1972 absolutely crippled the NVA. Rural pacification was starting to work. Bombing Hanoi and mining Haiphong finally convinced the North they couldn't win. South Vietnam was set up for success. But they still needed air support, advisors, and military aid. But we instead decided to cut ties and leave our friends to die. The North came back with Soviet and Chinese weapons and tanks. The Communists didn't abandon the North. The American government however abandoned the South. ARVN was very good but just wasn't ready for that type of onslaught. The same thing would have happened if we cut ties with South Korea. If given the chance the natural resource rich South Vietnam would have gone on to become an economic power house. One that could have rivaled Japan and South Korea. It's all just so sad to think about. America had proved to the world that we are not good allies. We can't be trusted because if things gets too hard, we'll just leave and go home.
@@Mc.Garnagle Thank you so much for your kind words about the ARVN . We wish that we have more supporters like yourself and your uncle then the war could have ended differently . The ARVN veterans would have been treated differently as honoured men & women who answered the call of the beloved nation and fought the northern invaders. Instead they were treated badly in their own country or forced into exile like your cousin's father -in-law. Again many thanks to your comment and to your uncle for his contribution to the Republic of Vietnam 's fight for freedom
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Excellent. Newer coverage on this topic has been long overdue. There are still people to this day who are completely unaware, downright deny these atrocities ever happened, or simply sweep them under the rug...Thank you.
Sweeping under the rug is a favourite tactic of the Leftists and Communists when it comes to the war. We don't exactly sweep Tianenmen Square under the rug just because we do business with the Chinese, do we? But for some reason we do it with the Vietnamese Communists.
We don't? 🙂Does it get equal attention as other crimes? I think not. The majority of people I know never even heard of Tienenmen Square. Glad to see you're doing good work here btw. Just arrived on the channel, and boy does this prove to be very interesting! @@MemoryofSouthVietnam
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Sweeping under the rug is a favourite tricky tactic of the US empire and the South Vietnamese puppet colony regime of the US when they come to the war even after the end of the war
You did excellent work on this video. I'm a South Vietnamese historian of the Vietnam War and of the Boat People in Canada and in the US and I would very much like to talk to you if you are interested. I've also read George J. Veith's Drawn Swords in a Distant Land: South Vietnam's Shattered Dreams and he mentions the Hue Massacre. He managed to read a book written by a RVN police official, Lien Thanh. He was in charge of investigating the Hue Massacre after the Tet Offensive and states in his book that 5327 people had been murdered by the VC/PAVN and 1200 people disappeared without a trace. Veith also explains that Douglas Pike's figure of 2800 dead was based off initial reports and that figure had never been updated afterwards in his report unlike Lien Thanh. Lien Thanh also explained how the RVN government worked to help relatives and family of the missing victims find information about those who went missing and the procedure that was used to record the locations of mass graves. Lien Thanh published his book in Vietnamese in Westminster, California in 2012. Veith also compares the antiwar authors who claim that American bombings were responsable for the deaths to Holocaust deniers. Notable deniers that I found include Marilyn B. Young, Gareth Porter, Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky who were all communist sympathizers and part of the antiwar movement. In addition, Chomsky, Porter and Herman were also involved in whitewashing/denying the Cambodian Genocide.
It's quite interesting. I am now writing about the massacre in Hue, but I have been interested in the topic for a long time, although such things are not popular in the historiography of my country, no one knows about it. So, I looked for various sources about civilian deaths. Can you please, if it’s not difficult for you, tell me about what you wrote about in more detail or share something where I could read about it and see for myself? I am especially interested in documentary evidence
@@yankeedoodle_ I can suggest Drawn Swords in a Distant Land: South Vietnam's Shattered Dreams by George J. Veith. He specializes on South Vietnamese history.
Thanks for enjoying the video! The email is timmyn454@gmail.com if you would like to send a message. Ah shoot I actually read through about 1/3 of Drawn Swords but then went extremely hard on the An Loc series. So unfortunately I didn't reach the latest research on the Huế Massacres. That's a total pity. Maybe I'll make a revised video in a couple years. I definitely like Veith's content a lot. His Black April is one of the few mainstream sources on the fall of Saigon that actually goes into detail. Other sources (especially documentaries) honestly just gloss it over and say Saigon collapsed.
Oh, how surprising the leftists cover their comrades' crimes. In Soviet Russia such naive Westerners were (are, actually) called _ghavnoyed'_ (говноед, shit-eater).
My uncle was part of a Marine rocket team in Hue. He was killed trying to pull the second of two marines back through a hole in the wall around the city. He was shot multiple times in his left shoulder and head. 24 years old and left a wonderful wife and 2 yr old daughter without him. I wish I could have met him. I read about his being killed in a book. Fire in the streets: the battle for hue, tet 1968
Wow, big thanks to his service and sacrifice. I might make a series on the Battle of Huế, albeit with a more even distribution to show the South Vietnamese action. Although this would be far in the future as it falls out of the 72-75 range I know most about.
For me, a Pole, who's fatherland was occupied for more than century and after genocide of WW2 faced 50 years of "communism", the fall of Saigon and paths leading to this, are sad, disturbing and emotional, especially knowing the Vietnamese people. I just can't accept it, such a bad luck and brutal fate.
F*****, just came back from Vietnam. Not to get crazy because of propaganda and other tourists' ignorance, I started watching your channel and I'm getting more and more emotional. The Hue massacres are one of many well known communism's faces (Katyń massacre etc). My heart aches.
FYI, in the southern people are very rich, the central Vietnamese are very educated resilient and smart. We have let it go. We just don’t get hired in the govt but we don’t need them anyways. We are not power hungry. Let the weak control so they feel safe to protect Lenin and Stalin ideologies. These ideologies will not last as the old minds dies.
This is one of the few North Vietnamese war crimes I’ve heard of before this video, however documentaries that cover it do not even begin to touch on how large and widespread these killings were. Thanks for shedding light on this atrocity.
Yup this is one of the two major atrocities that the Communists did. Many of these war documentaries only skim over part of it, not even showing the sheer scale of death.
There are many recorded case of terrorism, assassinations, and outright massacres done by both the NVA and the VC during the war. Some of these acts were committed against the hill tribes or the hamlet folks who refused to aid the communist cause or sided with the South government. Restaurants were bombed, the whole village folks was torched with a flame thrower, and small scale assassinations by hitmen on bikes happened very frequently and were organised by both of these two groups. The Hue Massacre for example was officially listed as having as many as 4,000+ civilian victims while modern estimate put them as high as 6,000+ (10 percent of the entire population) One event I'd like to point out is the Quang Tri highway incident in 1972 during the Easter Offensive. During the retreat of Highway 1 by civilian refugees, NVA troops PURPOSELY fired upon them with artillery giving it the name "Dai Lo Kinh Hoang" which translates to "Highway of Terror". Or the massacre of 1975 when the communist indiscriminately artillery bombarded retreating ARVN troops and civilians refugees alike Or maybe the Thanh My massacre and the Dak to massacre I'm not saying that the US is completely innocent what I'm saying is the communist war crimes need to be brought into the light the communist is just as bad as the US infact nobody is innocent in this war what matter is who committed the less war crimes. Communist atrocities do not fit the antiwar/anti-American narrative the biased media was shoving down the American people’s throats. So the Western media ignored most of the atrocities the Communists committed on a regular basis, and blew every incident an American or non-Communist troops was involved in out of proportion, giving the American people the impression the Americans were a bunch of modern day Nazis who routinely “…killed babies…” burned villages, and raped women. The American people did not so much “ignore” the Communist atrocities, as they were never told about them. AFTER the war the Communists rounded up and MURDERED upwards to five million victims to impose their new regime on the region (North and South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia), which the same media agonizing over every Communist death during the war also ignored…. Two reasons why the communist war crimes were ignored: The NVA and VC did not allow any independent media to accompany their troops. All were government propagandists subject to censorship, so there was no reporting from their side. The left-wing portion of the media (a majority, particularly outside the US) were captured by the Communist propaganda which portrayed the representatives of a brutal totalitarian dictatorship as the “good guys”, so the many atrocities they perpetrated were downplayed or dismissed.And the VC / the Vietnamese communists glorifies their terrorism acts with new slogan “we liberate Vietnamese people from American imperialist” since 1975 the communist never change
You know how history is written by the victors? It's almost eerie how often you'd hear about America's mishandling of South Vietnam. However you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone talk about North Vietnamese war crimes, let alone advocating for their trial.
Honestly, I hate that it's always Rice Farmers vs US soldiers as the main understanding, and I believed that idea. Seeing the horror that North Viet Nam was doing and the fact that no person in Western media cared enough to make it as big as their coverage like the Tet offensive was just saddening.
I finished reading the book "This time we win: Revisiting the Tet offensive" by James S Robbins and one of the arguments he made was that this massacre turned most of the South Vietnamese against the Communists. Along with that he mentioned in the last phase of the massacre wasn't killing just high ranking officials. They also were killing witnesses. The allies were inevitably going to retake the city and they didn't want any witnesses to the massacre.
Yet the communists claim they’re “liberating” the south. We’re all Vietnamese that shares the Vietnamese blood at the end of the day, yet they had the audacity to call it “liberation”.
Communists always label their opponents as imperialists and fascists, so the communist aggressors become liberators. They've been doing it for 100 years and Russia is still doing it today. It would seem obvious to disregard everything they say as lies, but gullible people keep falling for it.
It definitely wasn't liberating for the 10s of thousands of Southern soldiers shoved into reeducation camps. Honestly anybody who justifies these things in the name of 'liberation' would be willing to justify any horror in the name of Communism. It's these people that are taking the US down with them today - they think the ends justify the means.
@altersquid So it is Communists are truly liberating the South to unite with the North, the South Vietnamese welcome the Vietnamese Communists to the South as they already hate the South Vietnamese puppet regime of the US for their war crimes, oppression against the Southern people, Buddhist oppression and many bad things they did, the Vietnamese blood drop in North and South is from the US and South Vietnamese puppet regime
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam the word "Justify" is a ironic word that you use to say Any serious objections and statements of indisputable truths from communists about the war the Vietnamese Communists fought as justifying to justifying for any crimes of the US and South Vietnamese puppet regime that you praised
Yeah, the channel Luna Oi is one of them iirc. There are literal photographs of the thing (several of which I showed in my videos) lol. Although I couldn't show the ones with numerous bodies otherwise the video would get restricted..
Thanks for keeping the history alive when no other would. Come to wonder how many historical events may have been suppressed, hidden, and outright wiped out.
"It is a major irony of the Vietnam War that our propaganda transformed this debacle into a brilliant victory. The truth was that Tet cost us half our forces. Our losses were so immense that we were unable to replace them with new recruits" ~Trương Như Tảng, Viet Cong political leader
This is just another event out of many in the war that shows that journalists don't know how war works in general... Yeah they're brave for going out there, but by days they have no clue what they're recording or looking at.
Correct, the southern so called "NLF" or VC were decimated in the 1968 Tet Offensive, they would never be the force they were prior again. From then on Hanoi took over the war, and it became a war of attrition between the North and the US/South, and then the South alone.
Yup that's the Communists for you - they will hide or excuse any and all horrors they committed. I am thinking of making a Vietnamese version of this video for that purpose but not sure when the time will free up for that.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam "yup that's the Communists for you - they will hide or excuse any and all horrors they committed" hide or excuse any and all horrors that committed by war criminals is not something that make by the current Vietnamese government but only from the US Nazi government, Colonist Sympathizers, Imperialist Sympathizers, Pro-Imperialist war crime deniers and South Vietnamese fascist regime supporters like you, maybe you people are not feeling shame for what you people have praise
@chiristopherdo3601 Why do you think that the current Vietnamese government are covering some bad things that they doesn't do in the Vietnam war while the truth behind of "Hue massacre" was revealed by Western independent journalists who have looking on The scene and corpses at the Tet Offensive in Hue that were considered have been killed by VC were actually killed by bombs from aircraft and shelling from the US army, It was revealed from villagers interviewed by independent Western journalists that American planes bombed civilians and no VC troops came to kill them, Western independent journalists also revealed some of dead bodies that were buried are dead bodies of South Vietnamese communist soldiers and South Vietnamese soldiers that the US and South Vietnamese government considered that these bodies are civilians who got killed by VC.
@@duongthienbao8782 untrue what you say are lies told by the communist government and if you payed attention to the video you would see that a vietcong under the chieu hoi program switched sides because he saw other vietcong burying civilians and he went to the Americans and south vietnamese and helped them find other mass graves
@@duongthienbao8782 Watch the video, don’t deny the truth. These innocent people were buried in mass graves, look at how they were killed. These VC atrocities are just like that of the Khmer Rouge, blunt force to the head, shooting, torture, and more. Where exactly is your proof that the civilians were “killed by ARVN and US soldiers and not VC”? There is no “bombing of Hue,” the US refused to bomb the city due to it’s religious and cultural heritage. Read actual sources and not the made-up propaganda you were taught at school by your commissar teachers hired by the VCP.
I've heard of another massacre committed by the VC. Dak Son. It involved a minority group of peopl in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. The Montagnards. The communists mudered them in their sleep by using flamethrowers.
Man, it really be like that. The Vietnamese government never officially apologizing for the brutal treatment of American POWs who now suffer PTSD, sweeping their own wrong doings under the rug and pushing the warcrimes and wrong doings of the allies, continuing to push the Hollywood narrative that ARVN and American troops in films were ALL warcriminals, and other BS that would take years for the war in Vietnam to be taught "properly", from not just the US and Communist Vietnam perspectives but from the ARVN/Republic of Vietnam pov and the forgotten allies of the war (Australia, Thailand, South Korean, New Zealand, Philippines, and Canadians who volunteered and served in the US military in Vietnam) It's a shame the Vietnam war couldn't have been fought like the Korean war, crossing the border, attempting to overtake the north, but just like that war, the fear of Communist China interfering into the conflict was a real deal.
You can see & hear those same people complain about Ukraine today. They always talk about the cost of war, yet never contemplate the cost of surrender.
All the 1st North Vietnamese leaders were once Americans allies during WWII against the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a small group of US special military personnel to Vietnam after 1 year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. These US military personnels train the 1st Vietminh soldiers how to use assault rifle and booby trap. The Vietminh save several US pilots, who plane was shot down by the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognize Vietnam Independence from France but never to live to see it. But his Vice President Truman took a different approach by supporting the French to recolonize Vietnam after rejecting Ho Chi Minh letter of support for Vietnam Independence from France. This cause Ho Chi Minh seeking support from communist Russia and China. In 1950, US Democrats President Truman sent the 1st US MAAG personnel to Vietnam to assist the French Army in Vietnam. This is how America 1st got involve in Vietnam. On May 7, 1954, when France lost thier rule over Vietnam after losing a major battle at battle of Dien Bien Phu to the North Vietnam. America military never left from Vietnam because US Democrat President Truman, JF Kennedy, and LB Johnson made sure that United States should dictate into Vietnam afair. In 1963 US Democrats President JF Kennedy and LB Johnson stage a military coup assination on South Vietnam President, Ngo Dinh Diem on Nov. 2, 1963. This gives United States the power over the country of Vietnam and the Vietnamese peoples. And US Democrats President, JF Kennedy and LB Johnson appointed their puppet ex-Vietminh soldiers, Nguyen Van Thieu, as President of South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese President, who later cost 500,000 South Vietnamese killed or capture by the North Vietnamese army and their allies Pathet Loas and Khmer Rouge of Cambodia when he sent them to Laos and Kampuchia. And who told him to do so. United States. On Nov. 22, 1963, JF Kennedy was killed in Dallas, TX. US Vice President LB Johnson, was appointed as President of United States. The following year Aug. 8, 1964, US Democrats President, LB Johnson announce US military action to Vietnam to Americans peoples over the Gulf of Tonkins, which involve a US Destroyer was patroling past the 17th parallel DMZ line near Honoi the capital of North Vietnam. But according to US Nuclear weapon offier, John White on the US Destroyer Maddox. That their were No attack. But still US Democrats President LB Johnson push for US military action to Vietnam which lead to the Vietnam War. Only 500,000 US ground troops was sent. Out of all the US ground troops who was draft and sent to fight in Vietnam. 40% were Blacks males, along with non-college white male, high school drop out, war protester males, and convict. America didn't sent their best but their worse from 1965-1969 when Nixon became US President. Nixon order all US ground force out of Vietnam to began pull out. US Republicans President Nixon order a non-stop flight of B52 bomber to bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. Nixon promise the South Vietnamese the continuing of US military aids to Vietnam to defend themselve from the North Vietnam aggression. That United States would replace any US military weapons that was lost to the South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese army did retake back many lost territories in the South from Communist North. On August 8, 1974, President Nixon announce his resignation as President of United States over the Watergate Scandal. On Nov. 5, 1974, the Democrats won a landslide in congress. Both the US Senate and the House of Representative. The following year in 1975, the Democrats control congress cuts all US military aids to South Vietnam and on April 30, 1975, the Fall of Saigon to Communist North Vietnam and thus began the flow of Vietnamese refugees. During the entire Vietnam War, America brought pain, death, and destruction to the Vietnamese peoples of Vietnam. And today, several South Vietnamese young generation is still suffer from the affect of United States biological chemicals, Agent Orange which the US military spray all over rivers and forests of South Vietnam. And American still today still talk about how heroic they did during the Vietnam War.
And the worst part is people are willing to do whatever it takes to sweep it under the rug just because "Vietnam is doing better now." We don't do it for the Chinese with Tiannenmen, we shouldn't do it for the Vietnamese Communists..
Details of Hưe massacre were correct. I was soldier who operated and conducted searching for shallow graves after Tết Mậu Thân 1968…March 1969…at number 20 on the map was exactly we discovered it and carried more from somewhere else 450 corpses to brought and left in the school nearby - at night we defended 500 small caskets under spooked light incenses and candles..so scary and horrible.
As I understand it the U.S soldiers who committed the massacre at Mai Lai were in a sense provoked. They had engaged a VC unit and the unit withdrew into the hamlet. It seems as though the VC was daring them to commit the atrocity. Unfortunately they were successful. The lieutenant in command lost his mind and told his men to kill anyone who looked suspicious. They even went further and committed acts of rape. Others refused to follow that order and tried to intervene. An air transport was passing by and they landed to evacuate civilians. The comander of the transport also ordered his men to kill any soldiers who were trying to harm civilians.
I'd like to emphasize something to anyone reading this. This doesn't belittle or downplay said atrocities, this simply clarifies the chronology of events & why.
As I understand it the commanding officer was court marshaled. He didn't get the punishment he deserved but it was more than what the communists did. The communists did nothing to punish their soldiers. After all their soldiers were following their orders to murder specific people just like communists in Russia murdered landlords and that consequently resulted in famine and starvation.
Even then, committing war crimes is not justified. But yes, unfortunately this is just one of the (honestly extremely cowardly) tactics that the Communists used. Simply withdraw back to Cambodia or hide amongst the civilians when Allied soldiers are after them. I don't know why people praise them for doing that. It is a severe tragedy that this time, it caused a lieutenant to snap. The Americans who intervened are true heroes.
Interestingly enough the recent attacks on Israel by Hammas bear similar resemblance to the Tet offensive. An attack on a cultural holiday and on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war.
Yeah attacking on a holiday is now a tried and true method of getting the surprise on your enemy. And in both cases the media has gone haywire trying to provide coverage. History definitely rhymes.
Thank you for the video! I’m just writing about the massacre in Hue. Many materials will really help me. Can you please tell me more about whether there is any other documentary evidence of victims, but from North Vietnam? Orders, reports, notes, etc?
I haven't looked at North Vietnamese sources explicitly, since it was very likely that they would have censored or destroyed as much of it as they could. But in the second report I cited, "Communist Political Executions At Hue In the 1868 Tet Offensive," starting on page 102 is a chapter called "Communist Acknowledgement of Responsibility in the Hue Executions." This chapter initially breaks down certain terminology that the Communists use when referring to its liquidation campaign. But starting on page 108, there are numerous excerpts and quotes attributed to Communists. All three PDFs are available here: vva.vietnam.ttu.edu/repositories/2/digital_objects/143700 Not sure if this helps.
The 1968 Hue Massacre was still vivid in the minds of Hues population in 1975. So when the North's invasion finally reached Hue the city was perhaps more than any other city paralysed with fear. Perhaps another reason the ARVN made little effort to defend it, and the scenes on the beach of a Vietnamese Dunkirk as the military fled south on anything that floated.
Yeah the footage of Huế civilians and soldiers trying desperately trying to get a spot on a boat to Sài Gòn is a testament to how much the even traumatized them. Sheer uncontrolled terror.
As you mentioned, this was planned in other cities. VC killed in Saigon, for example, were found to be carrying documents sentencing people for execution, with the names left blank, to be filled in when the sentence would be carried out.
I'll definitely look into it for a future video - the Communist reeducation camps at one point contained a massive portion of the South Vietnamese army, but they are almost unheard of in the English-speaking world. It's definitely something that needs to be expanded in detail.
Yeah I was thinking some interim videos of the basic ARVN structure and its units would be pretty good filler in between battles. Unfortunately all of these videos would take time from each other.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnameven when I was liberal, I probably would have found her channel offensive. When looking up information on the overseas Vietnamese community, I made the mistake in watching one of her videos on the war and I couldn't make it to 5 minutes. It was that offensive.
@@anthonyrhodes8042 If anything both Luna Oi and the Memory of the South reproduced the same simplistic left vs right non-sensical discourse that is useless to understand contemporary Vietnam and its growing security cooperation with the US. Neither has realized that the main enemy of both the US and Vietnam is China who did not only launched a war against Vietnam in 1979 and still claims a huge chunk of the maritime territory of Vietnam. Whereas that Stalinist hippie Luna Oi wrongly depicts Vietnam as a socialist distributive nirvana,,the memory of the South falsely depicts Vietnam as a command economy. The reality is that since Vietnam launched its Doi Moi free market reforms in 1986 it has become an informal authoritarian capitalist state that just in 2022 achieved an 8.02 rate of economic growth. Morever since 1986 the Vietnamese communist party dictatorship has recognized private property rights in both industry and the countryside , has promoted huge inflows of foreign private capital in the country.,and has allowed the Vietnamese , especially farmers to become rich . Vietnam is still a dictatorship but so are other capitalist authoritarian states align with the US such as Egypt ,Saudi Arabia and informally Turkey. So to the chagrin of the Memory of the South and Oi ,contemporary Vietnam is neither economically at least communist nor anti-American.
Im from north vietnam and i live in Germany. I condemn this massacre. Geopolitically, the fight between North and South was a power struggle. I am proud of my culture and history, but not of the South Vietnamese regime or Viet Cong who massacred many innocent people. I hope it will not repeat it again.
Oh I didn't even know that was an actual flag. I just made that design by total coincidence - the classic American blue and White star of democracy/liberty as opposed to the yellow and red of the Commumists. American tanks in WWII had white stars on their tanks that's why haha.
There's a Vietnamese lady who on her channel "Luna ơi" spreads very one-sided views and accounts on the war, American imperialism, etc. I wish you would debate her on the war and the aftermath. She is a staunch supporter of communism, of course, and has lots of viewers/supporters. Would you be interested in having a civil discussion with her?
Yeah I definitely know about her channel... I have her Armchair Historian rebuttal video at the top of my 'watch later' playlist as a form of reverse motivation ha ha. It's filled to the brim with the classic Communist manipulation tactics... I am thoroughly bad at live arguments and debates so maybe not in the near future. The plan might be to do debunking videos first, but that would be after the plain old history.
As a Northern Vietnames (Hanoian), this would of course never taught in school, real open mind for me, and a reminder that war is hell. Losses for both sides, thank you for the Information, and thank GOD we got unified after such a long war.
Fellow Hanoian here. If you haven’t travel to the south or to the US, you wouldn’t get the kind of … sentiment that many of them have toward us there 😂 so, honest advice, take things they said with a grain of salt. McCarthyism runs deep with those who affiliated with america.
Because those who support the Republic of Vietnam regime always fabricate, blaming and lie to justify the crimes that this regime in the South commits, The so-called "Hue massacre" is just a nonsense joke
@@dirtyfighters7751 that's the war crime that only made by the South Vietnamese puppet government and the US and they made up the scenes to claim that the North Vietnam did it while the Western independent journalists were find the proof is the civilians were killed by bomber aircrafts and artillery from the US and South Vietnam forces and when they ask South Vietnamese villagers, they said there is no VC soldiers came to their place but the US aircrafts came instead and bombing on civilians in some villages
@@duongthienbao8782here in my hands as I type this is the 2002 memoir of Bùi Tín called “From Enemy to Friend: a North Vietnamese perspective on the war” where Tín was an acting colonel for the NVA whilst communist forces were taking the city of Huê and was personally there, he mentions that yes, it wasn’t the Americans who committed the massacres but instead the North Vietnamese. He blames the massacre on the NVA soldiers driven by not only communist propaganda calling Huê “a bed of reactionaries” but also “disintegration of discipline” from having to deal with American bombardment to retake the communist occupied city. Tín then goes onto to mention once US marines counter attacked the NVA troops were ordered to retreat with the captured civilians, however the communist forces then shot the civilians and then had them buried to (in Tín’s own words mind you) “ensure the safety of the retreat.” Yeah totally “American propaganda” if a former NVA colonel admits this massacre happened.
@@TheDigitalApple wow, more like Fabricated information here, Bui Tin must be got paid some money for lying Propaganda, why you don't ask the former Western journalists who came to the scene of Hue massacre for real information here, nice blaming here
I was there during the tet offensive in Hue 1968 I was with NMCB-8 a Navy Construction Battalion. During the fighting I spent many nights in trenches in the monsoon rain preventing the NVA from overtaking our artillery positions that were supporting the marines. We would take rocket fire at all hours but mostly in the wee hours of morning
thank you for making this video, I am from Hue (currently living in the US), both of my parents lived thru the war and witness the Tet Offensive. This deserves every bit of attention from the general population.
Much like Japan’s Yasukuni shrine which has 1000 convicted war criminals and downplaying Japanese atrocities of WW2, Vietnam’s capital Ho Chi Minh city has a similar shrine honoring the Vietcong and NVA and to downplay their atrocities. It has been thanks to communist propaganda Ho Chi Minh and his regime aren’t demonized around the world like he should but hopefully once more people learn about Huê that day will come!
People in Hue or the whole Vietnam only knows the truth that the US and South Vietnamese forces are the one who did their atrocities in Hue city and they made up fake proof to framing the VC and NVA, the propaganda are only from the US bootlickers who leave the South Vietnam and the US, thanks to the US propaganda, those US bootlickers, Pro-Imperialist, Colonists Sympathizers from South Vietnam aren't demonized in the US and Western countries, These South Vietnamese puppet people in the US are paid to lies to downplay their regime atrocities
Another incident would be the bombing of my canh restaurant in 1965. It's completely covered up. And the culprit VC got promoted for that event. Another is the atrocities the VC nguyen van lem committed which the commie government desperately covers up. The current propaganda department denies any VC or NVA involvement in the massacre of hue 68 but blames it on the ARVN despite being the ones that invaded hue.
@@duongthienbao8782 that’s funny, my mother and her family are from Hue and they remember the massacre as a being horrible and extremely unwarranted. Propaganda my ass.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Only the winner tells the story, even USA supports NVA…. but this logic is everybody a communist now? 🤦🏻♂️ No one ever talks about the famine that happened bc the gov got greedy. The famine is why people left VN
My uncle served as a military interpreter for the Americans in the Arvn, he fled Saigon to the USA in the last few days. Sadly his family couldn't make it, and he ended up fleeing to the USA alone. if he had stayed in Vietnam, the communists would have lynched him for sure.
Honestly after viewing the Armchair Historian's recent Tết Offensive Video I am very tempted to take a small break from Kon Tum to fact check it. There's just so much that's wrong...
Yeah, unfortunately the Communists have destroyed much of traditional Vietnamese population. But the people there are simply workers in the cog of the Communist machine making the party rich... It's sad to see the current Vietnamese youth almost fetishize outside as a weird replacement for a good core culture.
Sự kiện này do tướng Mỹ và tướng của VNCH tường thuật lại, không ai công nhận! Thằng đọc bài này giọng người Việt gốc Hoa đặc sệt, nghe cũng biết là lũ phản động chia rẽ dân tộc mà!🤣
There are many unaccounted atrocities by the Vietcong - the bombing of a primary school in Cai lay District Mekong Delta killing many students during school hours ,the execution of villagers in Long Khanh Province during the final offensive Spring 1975 because the local militia ambushed the northern invaders, the execution of former village officials in Phu Yen Province in 4 /1975, the execution of former government official & military officers in Con Son Island 5/1975
Have you heard of Yeonmi Park. She is a public speaker who escaped North Korea. She described herlife there and how starvation and malnutrition are common. Maybe stories of the boat people and the economic turmoil Vietnam faced ten years after the war(Which ultimately led to Vietnam opening markets)? Also what are your thoughts on Donald Trump and the election this year?
Yeah I've heard of her, although I didn't pay attention too much so I have no opinion at the moment I am not American but I keep tabs on the election and this may be an important turning point for the country - no matter who wins.
I can answer it since no one has responded to this question in 12 days. First of all, to discuss what they could’ve done differently to win, it’s important to first discuss what their opponents (the Vietcong) were doing. The Vietcong didn’t at all care how many fathers and sons, husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, mothers and daughters they had to sacrifice to ultimately win. As their policies consisted of legit disguising and hiding in civilian populated areas and attacking the Western soldiers when their guards were down (not amounting the civilians caught in the crossfire), or bombing/mining various busses, ambulances, and trucks carrying orphans in them, etc. The Western soldiers, on the other hand, were being very lenient. On top of all the fighting, the US, Australian, New Zealand, etc. soldiers were also very concerned about mitigating as much civilian damage as possible. The soldiers were building schools, providing food, water, electricity, and further military support to the denizens and soldiers of South Vietnam, whereas the Vietcong didn’t care at all for the civilians. Furthermore, politics and public opinion significantly restricted US involvement (as the people in the US were significantly growing sour towards the war, and politics didn’t let the Americans use certain weapons and didn’t allow them to commit certain attacks), and the US never formally declared war on Vietnam (they were only aiding the South) and thus didn’t necessarily go all in on the Vietnamese, unlike the Vietcong. So TL;DR, the Americans (and their allies) were too lenient and occupied with mitigating civilian casualties, and they didn’t formally declare war on North Vietnam and thus weren’t able to go all in on their assaults. Whereas the Vietcong went all in no matter what and were careless for the well-being of the civilians. If America and its allies were less lenient, declared war, and more aggressive, they could’ve easily won (funnily enough, they almost still did win).
@@dirtyfighters7751 the US, the South Vietnam regime and the allies soldiers don't care about the South Vietnamese civilians but only wage war against North Vietnam and killing civilians for fun, The South Vietnamese government carried out land reform to restore French-style feudal landlordism and stole land from farmers to keep pro-French landlords in control.
@@duongthienbao8782 Oh crap, I don’t know why I didn’t see this reply until now. For where I got this information, I got it from Vietnamese defectors, children of people who lived in the Vietnam war, ex-Vietcong soldiers, and other Vietnam war historians. My ex-Vietcong neighbour when I used to live in Toowoomba even corroborated these stories, proclaiming that what I listed is one of the many reasons she quit. See Nathan-Khang Nguyen, someone who’s family experienced the Vietnam war.
Hello! Memory of South Vietnam I was looking at some photos and footage of the ARVN and I saw ARVN soldiers with communist gear like ak47 ammo pouches and I saw some ARVN with ak47 I am just curious why are they using communist gear and why do they have it.
Yeah there are many photos after search and destroy operations where Communist stockpiles were found and confiscated. Most likely these supplies would have come from those. Ammunition is always low, so I wouldn't be surprised that ARVN troops used them when they got desperate.
The Montagnards were very clearly taking the American/South Vietnamese side towards the end of the war, especially in Kon Tum. Disproves whatever you just said. It was the Communists that perpetrated the Dak Sơn massacre on the Montagnards, slaughtering a whole village, not us Nationalists. Also this has nothing to do with this video
All the 1st North Vietnamese leaders were once Americans allies during WWII against the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a small group of US special military personnel to Vietnam after 1 year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. These US military personnels train the 1st Vietminh soldiers how to use assault rifle and booby trap. The Vietminh save several US pilots, who plane was shot down by the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognize Vietnam Independence from France but never to live to see it. But his Vice President Truman took a different approach by supporting the French to recolonize Vietnam after rejecting Ho Chi Minh letter of support for Vietnam Independence from France. This cause Ho Chi Minh seeking support from communist Russia and China. In 1950, US Democrats President Truman sent the 1st US MAAG personnel to Vietnam to assist the French Army in Vietnam. This is how America 1st got involve in Vietnam. On May 7, 1954, when France lost thier rule over Vietnam after losing a major battle at battle of Dien Bien Phu to the North Vietnam. America military never left from Vietnam because US Democrat President Truman, JF Kennedy, and LB Johnson made sure that United States should dictate into Vietnam afair. On Nov. 2, 1963 US Democrats President JF Kennedy stage a mitary coup assination on South Vietnam President, Ngo Dinh Diem. This gives United States the power over the country of Vietnam and the Vietnamese peoples. US Democrats President, JF Kennedy and LB Johnson appointed their puppet ex-Vietminh soldiers, Nguyen Van Thieu, as President of South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese President, who cost the lives 500,000 South Vietnamese killed or capture by the North Vietnamese army and their allies Pathet Loas and Khmer Rouge of Cambodia when he sent them to Laos and Kampuchia. And who told him to do so. United States. On Nov. 22, 1963, JF Kennedy was killed in Dallas, TX. US Vice President LB Johnson, was appointed as President of United States. The following year Aug. 8, 1964, US Democrats President, LB Johnson announce US military action to Vietnam to Americans peoples over the Gulf of Tonkins Incident. In which involve a US Destroyer Maddox was patroling past the 17th parallel DMZ line near Honoi the capital of North Vietnam. But according to US Nuclear weapon offier, John White on the US Destroyer Maddox. That their were No attack. But still US Democrats President LB Johnson push for US military action to Vietnam which lead to the Vietnam War. Only 500,000 US ground troops was sent. Out of all the US ground troops who was draft and sent to fight in Vietnam. 40% were Blacks males, along with non-college white male, high school drop out, war protester males, and convict. America didn't sent their best but their worse from 1965-1969 when Nixon became US President. Nixon and he order all US ground force to began pull out of Vietnam in 1969. US Republicans President Nixon order a non-stop B52 bomber to bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. Nixon also promise the South Vietnamese the continuing of US military aids to Vietnam to defend themselve from the North Vietnam aggression. That United States would replace any US military weapons that was lost to the South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese army did retake back many lost territories in the South from Communist North. On August 8, 1974, President Nixon announce his resignation as President of United States over the Watergate Scandal. On Nov. 5, 1974, the Democrats won a landslide in congress both in the US Senate and the House of Representative. The following year in 1975, the Democrats control congress cuts all US promis military aids to South Vietnam. On April 30, 1975, the Fall of Saigon to Communist North Vietnam and thus began the flow of Vietnamese refugees. During the entire Vietnam War, America brought pain, death, and destruction to the Vietnamese peoples of Vietnam. And today, several South Vietnamese young generation is still suffer from the affect of United States biological chemicals, Agent Orange which the US military spray all over rivers and forests of South Vietnam during the War. And American still today still talk about how heroic they did during the Vietnam War.
At least you can talk about it without getting thrown in prison for 10 years. Obviously that happened. But if you talk about the Hue massacre or any communist atrocities in Vietnam. The government there does just that. No freedom of speech. Not to mention the reason they are doing well economically is because they abandoned their communist economix model in 1988. Why? Because they were starving.
Before the 1st North Vietnamese communist leaders pretended to be American allies during WWII, they already took the oath of loyalty to Soviet and Chinese communist leaders. Basically, they would attempt to extract they could from the West while serving the Soviet and China. The Boris Yeltsin regime / administration declassified a few documents of the Soviet era about that. RT TV English programs even broadcast one or two documentaries about that. Of course, under Vladimir Putin, those declassified documents and documentaries magically disappeared. *Communists have always been snakes in the grass* .
You didn't say anything of substance... you just made a whole rant about honestly loosely related stuff as though it made some sort of point. These are all just biased, cherry-picked (and quite rudimentary) "factoids" that the Vietnamese government spoonfeeds its population to get them to believe they are educated when they have simply been manipulated into a certain belief. Just goes to show that the sheer amount of propaganda just destroys people's inability to think - nothing about this had any relation to the subject of the video.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam "These are all just biased, cherry-picked (and quite rudimentary) "factoids" that the Vietnamese government spoonfeeds its population to get them to believe they are educated when they have simply been manipulated into a certain belief" Manipulating, biased, cherry-picked, fabricated propaganda and "factoids" is not something that are make by the current Vietnamese government but only from South Vietnamese puppet people who have abandoned Vietnam, supporting and have belief on South Vietnamese colony puppet regime of the US and the US propaganda to manipulate the thoughts of foreigners to justify for the South Vietnamese puppet regime crimes that you are supporting and I have to say is sorry, the current Vietnamese government never doing that in Vietnam but telling the real truth to the people.
You know during the Vietnam War there were a lot case of US ground troops commit a lot of attrocities toward many South Vietnamese villagers during their "Search and Destroy Mission." Many were never reported and a lot was being covered up by US General William Childs Westmoreland. There were many US ground troops saw the attrocities done by their fellow American troops and did nothing. While other participate. Vietnamese peoples were the victim of the Vietnam War. Even though many Vietnamese didn't start the War and didn't ask for it. That was the decision by the American peoples who voted for Democrats President JF Kennedy and LB Johnson as their Commander in Chief for their country. And Democrats President Truman who brought Communist support to Vietnam by allowing and supporting France to reclaim Vietnam as their colony. A country who value their freedom and independence from England. Deny other country of their own. America has never a democracy country. America is a Republic.
@sgtcwhatley Here is proof of documentary videos what US troops did to the South Vietnamese peoples during their Search and Destroyed mission on RUclips video. And you can watch and see it for yourself on RUclips video. These are the RUclips video name titles. 0) US bombing civilian village, actual footage 1) US troops spray Agent Orange from riverboat in Vietnam. 2) Veteran tells why the Vietnamese hate him 3) A US Vietnam Soldier Describes his Experiences of War Crime. 4) Incident Hill 192 5) My Lai Masscre (History)
@@sgtcwhatley It's written onto America "I pledge allegiance" oath speech taught to every American since Pre-K. And if your American born in America and went through Kindergarten all the way to High School. You should know the "I pledge allegiance oath speech." It had been establish since the founding father of America.
I'm so happy and grateful that this channel exists. My uncle's third tour in Vietnam was as a military advisor to an ARVN Ranger battalion. He was on the ground with them during the Battle of An Loc. My uncle volunteered because he had come to care deeply about the Republic of Vietnam. He truly believed in the ARVN. They were exceptionally brave, dedicated, and highly motivated fighting men. My uncle was successful in helping quite a few of his ARVN friends and their families evacuate to the US before the Communist takeover. But most chose to die on the battlefield fighting the PAVN to the bitter end. America abandoned South Vietnam when it needed us most. It's a stain on out national honor.
Thanks to your uncle for his long, hard service!
Oh you might like the An Lọc battle series on this channel then. The Rangers were deployed to the NE of the city during the siege and they were reported by all to have been excellent fighters.
Unfortunately a lot of your fellow Americans would believe that the stain on the national honour would be to "invade Vietnam" (it was reinforcing the South, in reality) in the first place rather than to abandon the South.
Would you passed on a big thank you to your brave uncle for his service and sacrifice. Thank you for your positive view on the American involvement in Vietnam . The brave American soldiers were in Vietnam to help the fledging South Vietnamese government to defend its territory. If they were the invaders then North Vietnam would not be existed today as they would be wiped by the might of the American military
@@tanletran7270 My uncle to this day flies the flag of South Vietnam just below our national colors on the pole in his backyard. He lives in an area where many of his neighbors are ARVN veterans. His son, my cousin, actually married the daughter of a former South Vietnamese Airborne officer who lived down the street. So the Republic of Vietnam very close to the hearts of my family. We are very lucky that so many of its people made America their new home. In regards to latter part of your comment, I 100% agree. Americans have unfortunately been grossly misled over the years by politically biased historians. Lies that have been repeated so many times that they become "the truth." They portray the Communists as freedom fighters and relegated the South Vietnamese to bungling puppets with no clear motivation for fighting. It's complete and utter BS. South Vietnam's motivations were remarkably similar to those of South Korea in 1950. They were young republics who aspired to be functioning democracies. They regarded communist expansion as a pestilence and were willing to fight and die to keep it out of their country. But just like South Korea, South Vietnam needed our help. The North had the firm backing of China and the Soviet Union. We did the right thing by throwing our support behind South Vietnam. Unfortunately we had morons like Lyndon Johnson, Bob McNamara, and General Westmorland prosecuting the war. They were totally incompetent and had absolutely no appreciation for the type of war we were fighting. If America had the proper leadership in 1965 instead of 1969, there would still be a South Vietnam today. But even despite the late start of Vietnamization, ARVN very quickly became a fighting force not only able to stand toe to toe with the communists, but also kick their ass. The Easter Offensive of 1972 absolutely crippled the NVA. Rural pacification was starting to work. Bombing Hanoi and mining Haiphong finally convinced the North they couldn't win. South Vietnam was set up for success. But they still needed air support, advisors, and military aid. But we instead decided to cut ties and leave our friends to die. The North came back with Soviet and Chinese weapons and tanks. The Communists didn't abandon the North. The American government however abandoned the South. ARVN was very good but just wasn't ready for that type of onslaught. The same thing would have happened if we cut ties with South Korea. If given the chance the natural resource rich South Vietnam would have gone on to become an economic power house. One that could have rivaled Japan and South Korea. It's all just so sad to think about. America had proved to the world that we are not good allies. We can't be trusted because if things gets too hard, we'll just leave and go home.
@@Mc.Garnagle Thank you so much for your kind words about the ARVN . We wish that we have more supporters like yourself and your uncle then the war could have ended differently . The ARVN veterans would have been treated differently as honoured men & women who answered the call of the beloved nation and fought the northern invaders. Instead they were treated badly in their own country or forced into exile like your cousin's father -in-law. Again many thanks to your comment and to your uncle for his contribution to the Republic of Vietnam 's fight for freedom
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Excellent. Newer coverage on this topic has been long overdue. There are still people to this day who are completely unaware, downright deny these atrocities ever happened, or simply sweep them under the rug...Thank you.
Sweeping under the rug is a favourite tactic of the Leftists and Communists when it comes to the war.
We don't exactly sweep Tianenmen Square under the rug just because we do business with the Chinese, do we? But for some reason we do it with the Vietnamese Communists.
We don't? 🙂Does it get equal attention as other crimes? I think not. The majority of people I know never even heard of Tienenmen Square. Glad to see you're doing good work here btw. Just arrived on the channel, and boy does this prove to be very interesting! @@MemoryofSouthVietnam
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Sweeping under the rug is a favourite tricky tactic of the US empire and the South Vietnamese puppet colony regime of the US when they come to the war even after the end of the war
@@duongthienbao8782 read the documents in the video commie
You did excellent work on this video.
I'm a South Vietnamese historian of the Vietnam War and of the Boat People in Canada and in the US and I would very much like to talk to you if you are interested.
I've also read George J. Veith's Drawn Swords in a Distant Land: South Vietnam's Shattered Dreams and he mentions the Hue Massacre. He managed to read a book written by a RVN police official, Lien Thanh. He was in charge of investigating the Hue Massacre after the Tet Offensive and states in his book that 5327 people had been murdered by the VC/PAVN and 1200 people disappeared without a trace. Veith also explains that Douglas Pike's figure of 2800 dead was based off initial reports and that figure had never been updated afterwards in his report unlike Lien Thanh. Lien Thanh also explained how the RVN government worked to help relatives and family of the missing victims find information about those who went missing and the procedure that was used to record the locations of mass graves.
Lien Thanh published his book in Vietnamese in Westminster, California in 2012.
Veith also compares the antiwar authors who claim that American bombings were responsable for the deaths to Holocaust deniers. Notable deniers that I found include Marilyn B. Young, Gareth Porter, Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky who were all communist sympathizers and part of the antiwar movement. In addition, Chomsky, Porter and Herman were also involved in whitewashing/denying the Cambodian Genocide.
It's quite interesting. I am now writing about the massacre in Hue, but I have been interested in the topic for a long time, although such things are not popular in the historiography of my country, no one knows about it. So, I looked for various sources about civilian deaths. Can you please, if it’s not difficult for you, tell me about what you wrote about in more detail or share something where I could read about it and see for myself? I am especially interested in documentary evidence
@@yankeedoodle_ I can suggest Drawn Swords in a Distant Land: South Vietnam's Shattered Dreams by George J. Veith. He specializes on South Vietnamese history.
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Ah shoot I actually read through about 1/3 of Drawn Swords but then went extremely hard on the An Loc series. So unfortunately I didn't reach the latest research on the Huế Massacres. That's a total pity. Maybe I'll make a revised video in a couple years.
I definitely like Veith's content a lot. His Black April is one of the few mainstream sources on the fall of Saigon that actually goes into detail. Other sources (especially documentaries) honestly just gloss it over and say Saigon collapsed.
Oh, how surprising the leftists cover their comrades' crimes.
In Soviet Russia such naive Westerners were (are, actually) called _ghavnoyed'_ (говноед, shit-eater).
Chomsky also denies a number of other genocides across the world, I don't know why people respect him so much
My uncle was part of a Marine rocket team in Hue. He was killed trying to pull the second of two marines back through a hole in the wall around the city. He was shot multiple times in his left shoulder and head. 24 years old and left a wonderful wife and 2 yr old daughter without him. I wish I could have met him. I read about his being killed in a book. Fire in the streets: the battle for hue, tet 1968
Wow, big thanks to his service and sacrifice. I might make a series on the Battle of Huế, albeit with a more even distribution to show the South Vietnamese action.
Although this would be far in the future as it falls out of the 72-75 range I know most about.
Beware of Tankies and redditor will tell a truth narrative and also lie about it.
I don't think anybody in their right mind would listen to any person who thinks sending tanks to quash democracy advocating protesters is okay.
Also to know if it a troll. Use the language of the country you talking about. If they understand it and use a lots of fallacy, it is likely a troll.
Redditors are wild - they deserve the stereotype that they have haha. Honestly it's one giant echo chamber.
For me, a Pole, who's fatherland was occupied for more than century and after genocide of WW2 faced 50 years of "communism", the fall of Saigon and paths leading to this, are sad, disturbing and emotional, especially knowing the Vietnamese people. I just can't accept it, such a bad luck and brutal fate.
F*****, just came back from Vietnam. Not to get crazy because of propaganda and other tourists' ignorance, I started watching your channel and I'm getting more and more emotional. The Hue massacres are one of many well known communism's faces (Katyń massacre etc). My heart aches.
Yeah the two countries have opposite histories - but it's good that Poland is free now. I heard that Poland is doing quite well with economically !
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Well, always can be better. We have a lot of Vietnamese people here, in majority from the northern Vietnam
FYI, in the southern people are very rich, the central Vietnamese are very educated resilient and smart. We have let it go. We just don’t get hired in the govt but we don’t need them anyways. We are not power hungry. Let the weak control so they feel safe to protect Lenin and Stalin ideologies. These ideologies will not last as the old minds dies.
This is one of the few North Vietnamese war crimes I’ve heard of before this video, however documentaries that cover it do not even begin to touch on how large and widespread these killings were.
Thanks for shedding light on this atrocity.
Yup this is one of the two major atrocities that the Communists did. Many of these war documentaries only skim over part of it, not even showing the sheer scale of death.
There are many recorded case of terrorism, assassinations, and outright massacres done by both the NVA and the VC during the war. Some of these acts were committed against the hill tribes or the hamlet folks who refused to aid the communist cause or sided with the South government. Restaurants were bombed, the whole village folks was torched with a flame thrower, and small scale assassinations by hitmen on bikes happened very frequently and were organised by both of these two groups.
The Hue Massacre for example was officially listed as having as many as 4,000+ civilian victims while modern estimate put them as high as 6,000+ (10 percent of the entire population)
One event I'd like to point out is the Quang Tri highway incident in 1972 during the Easter Offensive. During the retreat of Highway 1 by civilian refugees, NVA troops PURPOSELY fired upon them with artillery giving it the name "Dai Lo Kinh Hoang" which translates to "Highway of Terror".
Or the massacre of 1975 when the communist indiscriminately artillery bombarded retreating ARVN troops and civilians refugees alike
Or maybe the Thanh My massacre and the Dak to massacre
I'm not saying that the US is completely innocent what I'm saying is the communist war crimes need to be brought into the light the communist is just as bad as the US infact nobody is innocent in this war what matter is who committed the less war crimes. Communist atrocities do not fit the antiwar/anti-American narrative the biased media was shoving down the American people’s throats. So the Western media ignored most of the atrocities the Communists committed on a regular basis, and blew every incident an American or non-Communist troops was involved in out of proportion, giving the American people the impression the Americans were a bunch of modern day Nazis who routinely “…killed babies…” burned villages, and raped women. The American people did not so much “ignore” the Communist atrocities, as they were never told about them. AFTER the war the Communists rounded up and MURDERED upwards to five million victims to impose their new regime on the region (North and South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia), which the same media agonizing over every Communist death during the war also ignored….
Two reasons why the communist war crimes were ignored:
The NVA and VC did not allow any independent media to accompany their troops. All were government propagandists subject to censorship, so there was no reporting from their side.
The left-wing portion of the media (a majority, particularly outside the US) were captured by the Communist propaganda which portrayed the representatives of a brutal totalitarian dictatorship as the “good guys”, so the many atrocities they perpetrated were downplayed or dismissed.And the VC / the Vietnamese communists glorifies their terrorism acts with new slogan “we liberate Vietnamese people from American imperialist” since 1975 the communist never change
@@MemoryofSouthVietnamwait what do u mean of one of the teo, where’s the second?
You know how history is written by the victors?
It's almost eerie how often you'd hear about America's mishandling of South Vietnam. However you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone talk about North Vietnamese war crimes, let alone advocating for their trial.
Honestly, I hate that it's always Rice Farmers vs US soldiers as the main understanding, and I believed that idea. Seeing the horror that North Viet Nam was doing and the fact that no person in Western media cared enough to make it as big as their coverage like the Tet offensive was just saddening.
The entire public's understanding of the war is built on huge amounts of misinformation and uncontrolled emotion, unfortunately.
Disinformation produced by the Soviet and China for naive and myopic Western consumption in the 1960s and 1970s.
or any communist's war crimes and atrocities for that matter, including the use of genocide (well, except for Cambodia's case notwithstanding).
I finished reading the book "This time we win: Revisiting the Tet offensive" by James S Robbins and one of the arguments he made was that this massacre turned most of the South Vietnamese against the Communists. Along with that he mentioned in the last phase of the massacre wasn't killing just high ranking officials. They also were killing witnesses. The allies were inevitably going to retake the city and they didn't want any witnesses to the massacre.
Yet the communists claim they’re “liberating” the south. We’re all Vietnamese that shares the Vietnamese blood at the end of the day, yet they had the audacity to call it “liberation”.
Communists always label their opponents as imperialists and fascists, so the communist aggressors become liberators. They've been doing it for 100 years and Russia is still doing it today. It would seem obvious to disregard everything they say as lies, but gullible people keep falling for it.
It definitely wasn't liberating for the 10s of thousands of Southern soldiers shoved into reeducation camps.
Honestly anybody who justifies these things in the name of 'liberation' would be willing to justify any horror in the name of Communism. It's these people that are taking the US down with them today - they think the ends justify the means.
@altersquid
So it is Communists are truly liberating the South to unite with the North, the South Vietnamese welcome the Vietnamese Communists to the South as they already hate the South Vietnamese puppet regime of the US for their war crimes, oppression against the Southern people, Buddhist oppression and many bad things they did, the Vietnamese blood drop in North and South is from the US and South Vietnamese puppet regime
@@fridrekr7510gullible are only you and your people who not understand the truth story of Vietnam war history
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam the word "Justify" is a ironic word that you use to say Any serious objections and statements of indisputable truths from communists about the war the Vietnamese Communists fought as justifying to justifying for any crimes of the US and South Vietnamese puppet regime that you praised
Wow a real eye opener and one of your best videos to date. Thank you for making this video I never even heard about this!
Oh boy you are going to get attacked by almost every soul on the internet, good luck.
Why? Because he spoke the truth?
@@dtq3809 Exactly, because most people don't like certain truths, unfortunatly.
@@pablosoleramaeso4561 Even the Commie till this day denying the Hue massacre, so no surprise
I kind of wish it will happen just so this video would explode...
Yeah, the channel Luna Oi is one of them iirc. There are literal photographs of the thing (several of which I showed in my videos) lol. Although I couldn't show the ones with numerous bodies otherwise the video would get restricted..
Thanks for keeping the history alive when no other would. Come to wonder how many historical events may have been suppressed, hidden, and outright wiped out.
Hopefully the video can explode - but I'm not sure whether the channel is being stifled in the algorithm or not. It probably is : /
"It is a major irony of the Vietnam War that our propaganda transformed this debacle into a brilliant victory. The truth was that Tet cost us half our forces. Our losses were so immense that we were unable to replace them with new recruits" ~Trương Như Tảng, Viet Cong political leader
This is just another event out of many in the war that shows that journalists don't know how war works in general...
Yeah they're brave for going out there, but by days they have no clue what they're recording or looking at.
Correct, the southern so called "NLF" or VC were decimated in the 1968 Tet Offensive, they would never be the force they were prior again. From then on Hanoi took over the war, and it became a war of attrition between the North and the US/South, and then the South alone.
Yep ultimately the South was done in by useful idiots in the west.
@@RS-rj5sh very true
It’s sad how the Vietnamese government covers this up and that not much people know about this tragedy
Yup that's the Communists for you - they will hide or excuse any and all horrors they committed. I am thinking of making a Vietnamese version of this video for that purpose but not sure when the time will free up for that.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam "yup that's the Communists for you - they will hide or excuse any and all horrors they committed"
hide or excuse any and all horrors that committed by war criminals is not something that make by the current Vietnamese government but only from the US Nazi government, Colonist Sympathizers, Imperialist Sympathizers, Pro-Imperialist war crime deniers and South Vietnamese fascist regime supporters like you, maybe you people are not feeling shame for what you people have praise
@chiristopherdo3601
Why do you think that the current Vietnamese government are covering some bad things that they doesn't do in the Vietnam war while the truth behind of "Hue massacre" was revealed by Western independent journalists who have looking on The scene and corpses at the Tet Offensive in Hue that were considered have been killed by VC were actually killed by bombs from aircraft and shelling from the US army, It was revealed from villagers interviewed by independent Western journalists that American planes bombed civilians and no VC troops came to kill them, Western independent journalists also revealed some of dead bodies that were buried are dead bodies of South Vietnamese communist soldiers and South Vietnamese soldiers that the US and South Vietnamese government considered that these bodies are civilians who got killed by VC.
@@duongthienbao8782 untrue what you say are lies told by the communist government and if you payed attention to the video you would see that a vietcong under the chieu hoi program switched sides because he saw other vietcong burying civilians and he went to the Americans and south vietnamese and helped them find other mass graves
@@duongthienbao8782 Watch the video, don’t deny the truth. These innocent people were buried in mass graves, look at how they were killed. These VC atrocities are just like that of the Khmer Rouge, blunt force to the head, shooting, torture, and more. Where exactly is your proof that the civilians were “killed by ARVN and US soldiers and not VC”? There is no “bombing of Hue,” the US refused to bomb the city due to it’s religious and cultural heritage. Read actual sources and not the made-up propaganda you were taught at school by your commissar teachers hired by the VCP.
Nothing but great information from this channel as usual
Thanks for enjoying the channel!
Well this is bizarre timing. I'm doing a speech about this event for my public speaking class next week
Best of luck and do us proud!
Good luck! Maybe the maps could be a good visual ?
@@MemoryofSouthVietnamNo visual aids allowed for the speech, but your maps will be very helpful with general knowledge
@@matthewnguyen7572 Ah darn. It's good that it's helpful at all haha.
Make sure to point out how many of the executed were directly involved in mass police torture and murder of communists and their sympathizers.
I've heard of another massacre committed by the VC. Dak Son. It involved a minority group of peopl in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. The Montagnards. The communists mudered them in their sleep by using flamethrowers.
Also during an loc refugees tried leaving the city and north vietnamese forces killed the refugees and that happened on many occasions
"In the name of communism"
@@treesarecool3601 Same thing with Quang Tri in 1972, Highway 1 would be called the Highway of Horror
@@kevinduong337 yeah true
I will make a video on that in a few months
Man, it really be like that. The Vietnamese government never officially apologizing for the brutal treatment of American POWs who now suffer PTSD, sweeping their own wrong doings under the rug and pushing the warcrimes and wrong doings of the allies, continuing to push the Hollywood narrative that ARVN and American troops in films were ALL warcriminals, and other BS that would take years for the war in Vietnam to be taught "properly", from not just the US and Communist Vietnam perspectives but from the ARVN/Republic of Vietnam pov and the forgotten allies of the war (Australia, Thailand, South Korean, New Zealand, Philippines, and Canadians who volunteered and served in the US military in Vietnam)
It's a shame the Vietnam war couldn't have been fought like the Korean war, crossing the border, attempting to overtake the north, but just like that war, the fear of Communist China interfering into the conflict was a real deal.
No joke bro, but the US should apologize too. And how the fuk can vietnamese government can push hollywood?? U are insane
I still can't believe that I fell for Communist/antiwar propaganda 😔
You can see & hear those same people complain about Ukraine today.
They always talk about the cost of war, yet never contemplate the cost of surrender.
@@ReySchultz121 I've noticed that
Believe me, lot's of views are molded by Commie propaganda
All the 1st North Vietnamese leaders were once Americans allies during WWII against the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a small group of US special military personnel to Vietnam after 1 year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. These US military personnels train the 1st Vietminh soldiers how to use assault rifle and booby trap. The Vietminh save several US pilots, who plane was shot down by the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognize Vietnam Independence from France but never to live to see it. But his Vice President Truman took a different approach by supporting the French to recolonize Vietnam after rejecting Ho Chi Minh letter of support for Vietnam Independence from France. This cause Ho Chi Minh seeking support from communist Russia and China. In 1950, US Democrats President Truman sent the 1st US MAAG personnel to Vietnam to assist the French Army in Vietnam. This is how America 1st got involve in Vietnam. On May 7, 1954, when France lost thier rule over Vietnam after losing a major battle at battle of Dien Bien Phu to the North Vietnam. America military never left from Vietnam because US Democrat President Truman, JF Kennedy, and LB Johnson made sure that United States should dictate into Vietnam afair. In 1963 US Democrats President JF Kennedy and LB Johnson stage a military coup assination on South Vietnam President, Ngo Dinh Diem on Nov. 2, 1963. This gives United States the power over the country of Vietnam and the Vietnamese peoples. And US Democrats President, JF Kennedy and LB Johnson appointed their puppet ex-Vietminh soldiers, Nguyen Van Thieu, as President of South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese President, who later cost 500,000 South Vietnamese killed or capture by the North Vietnamese army and their allies Pathet Loas and Khmer Rouge of Cambodia when he sent them to Laos and Kampuchia. And who told him to do so. United States. On Nov. 22, 1963, JF Kennedy was killed in Dallas, TX. US Vice President LB Johnson, was appointed as President of United States. The following year Aug. 8, 1964, US Democrats President, LB Johnson announce US military action to Vietnam to Americans peoples over the Gulf of Tonkins, which involve a US Destroyer was patroling past the 17th parallel DMZ line near Honoi the capital of North Vietnam. But according to US Nuclear weapon offier, John White on the US Destroyer Maddox. That their were No attack. But still US Democrats President LB Johnson push for US military action to Vietnam which lead to the Vietnam War. Only 500,000 US ground troops was sent. Out of all the US ground troops who was draft and sent to fight in Vietnam. 40% were Blacks males, along with non-college white male, high school drop out, war protester males, and convict. America didn't sent their best but their worse from 1965-1969 when Nixon became US President. Nixon order all US ground force out of Vietnam to began pull out. US Republicans President Nixon order a non-stop flight of B52 bomber to bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. Nixon promise the South Vietnamese the continuing of US military aids to Vietnam to defend themselve from the North Vietnam aggression. That United States would replace any US military weapons that was lost to the South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese army did retake back many lost territories in the South from Communist North. On August 8, 1974, President Nixon announce his resignation as President of United States over the Watergate Scandal. On Nov. 5, 1974, the Democrats won a landslide in congress. Both the US Senate and the House of Representative. The following year in 1975, the Democrats control congress cuts all US military aids to South Vietnam and on April 30, 1975, the Fall of Saigon to Communist North Vietnam and thus began the flow of Vietnamese refugees. During the entire Vietnam War, America brought pain, death, and destruction to the Vietnamese peoples of Vietnam. And today, several South Vietnamese young generation is still suffer from the affect of United States biological chemicals, Agent Orange which the US military spray all over rivers and forests of South Vietnam. And American still today still talk about how heroic they did during the Vietnam War.
It's good that you broke out! Unfortunately, this can't be said for the majority of students today...
I agree that what US did to civilians was fucked up, but like what this video says, Vietnam also did horrible shit too.
North Vietnam
@@anthonyrhodes8042 Yeah North Vietnam my bad
That's the reality of war. People do terrible things. Been that way all over the world since the dawn of time.
Agreed all wars are hell
And the worst part is people are willing to do whatever it takes to sweep it under the rug just because "Vietnam is doing better now."
We don't do it for the Chinese with Tiannenmen, we shouldn't do it for the Vietnamese Communists..
it's sad this is never covered
I will eventually make some videos about it. I'm friends with some of the survivers of the massacre. I'll get them to do interviews on my channel.
That would be great!
Unfortunately we are still reeling from the effects of the media sensationalism.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam left wing "journalism"
Details of Hưe massacre were correct. I was soldier who operated and conducted searching for shallow graves after Tết Mậu Thân 1968…March 1969…at number 20 on the map was exactly we discovered it and carried more from somewhere else 450 corpses to brought and left in the school nearby - at night we defended 500 small caskets under spooked light incenses and candles..so scary and horrible.
As I understand it the U.S soldiers who committed the massacre at Mai Lai were in a sense provoked. They had engaged a VC unit and the unit withdrew into the hamlet. It seems as though the VC was daring them to commit the atrocity. Unfortunately they were successful. The lieutenant in command lost his mind and told his men to kill anyone who looked suspicious. They even went further and committed acts of rape. Others refused to follow that order and tried to intervene. An air transport was passing by and they landed to evacuate civilians. The comander of the transport also ordered his men to kill any soldiers who were trying to harm civilians.
I think the transport commander's name was Hugh Thompson. Dude's an absolute chad.
I'd like to emphasize something to anyone reading this.
This doesn't belittle or downplay said atrocities, this simply clarifies the chronology of events & why.
As I understand it the commanding officer was court marshaled. He didn't get the punishment he deserved but it was more than what the communists did. The communists did nothing to punish their soldiers. After all their soldiers were following their orders to murder specific people just like communists in Russia murdered landlords and that consequently resulted in famine and starvation.
Even then, committing war crimes is not justified. But yes, unfortunately this is just one of the (honestly extremely cowardly) tactics that the Communists used. Simply withdraw back to Cambodia or hide amongst the civilians when Allied soldiers are after them. I don't know why people praise them for doing that.
It is a severe tragedy that this time, it caused a lieutenant to snap. The Americans who intervened are true heroes.
He was definitely a real hero
Henry Kissinger's role in the fall of South Vietnam should be a topic for analysis.
Dude is in hell for this.
The My Lai massacre was overhyped by media,Hue massacre was not even given a hoot.😮
Bro declares a full war against the soyjak commies.
Respect.
Soyjak commies are a thing?
I mostly see Pol Pot jokes?
Hopefully they accept the offer - even if the video gets downvoted to hell I would trade that for 100k views.
Interestingly enough the recent attacks on Israel by Hammas bear similar resemblance to the Tet offensive. An attack on a cultural holiday and on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war.
Yeah attacking on a holiday is now a tried and true method of getting the surprise on your enemy. And in both cases the media has gone haywire trying to provide coverage. History definitely rhymes.
You should check out the FORGOTTEN HISTORY RUclips Channel. Maybe ask him a few questions about Vietnam such as topics like this.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Don't forget the tunnels at Cu chi as well , and using civilians as human shields etc.
@@ElephantsssNLF//PAVN never used civilians as meat shields, you just straight made that shit up for the sake of agenda.
Thank you for the video! I’m just writing about the massacre in Hue. Many materials will really help me. Can you please tell me more about whether there is any other documentary evidence of victims, but from North Vietnam? Orders, reports, notes, etc?
I haven't looked at North Vietnamese sources explicitly, since it was very likely that they would have censored or destroyed as much of it as they could. But in the second report I cited, "Communist Political Executions At Hue In the 1868 Tet Offensive," starting on page 102 is a chapter called "Communist Acknowledgement of Responsibility in the Hue Executions." This chapter initially breaks down certain terminology that the Communists use when referring to its liquidation campaign. But starting on page 108, there are numerous excerpts and quotes attributed to Communists.
All three PDFs are available here: vva.vietnam.ttu.edu/repositories/2/digital_objects/143700
Not sure if this helps.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Thank you so much! Anyway I'll read this
Great Job. Commenting for the algorithm.
Thanks for the assist!
The 1968 Hue Massacre was still vivid in the minds of Hues population in 1975. So when the North's invasion finally reached Hue the city was perhaps more than any other city paralysed with fear. Perhaps another reason the ARVN made little effort to defend it, and the scenes on the beach of a Vietnamese Dunkirk as the military fled south on anything that floated.
Yeah the footage of Huế civilians and soldiers trying desperately trying to get a spot on a boat to Sài Gòn is a testament to how much the even traumatized them. Sheer uncontrolled terror.
As you mentioned, this was planned in other cities. VC killed in Saigon, for example, were found to be carrying documents sentencing people for execution, with the names left blank, to be filled in when the sentence would be carried out.
Yeah - people don't know that murder and terror were Vietnamese Communist Doctrine. It was procedure for them to do so to get power at all costs.
Didn’t realise you made a new video. Can you make a video on operation menu Cambodia
I'll look into it, but it's kind of out of my realm of knowledge (ARVN battles 71-75). Right now I'm working on another large battle series haha.
i was so happy that you made this video because i have the same intention in respond to My Lai.....young kids in VN should know about this.
You should do a vid about the north vietnamese concentration camps
I'll definitely look into it for a future video - the Communist reeducation camps at one point contained a massive portion of the South Vietnamese army, but they are almost unheard of in the English-speaking world. It's definitely something that needs to be expanded in detail.
Maybe some segments on the ARVN divisions, Special Forces, Marine Corp, Air Force, and Navy and what battles and missions they had?
Yeah I was thinking some interim videos of the basic ARVN structure and its units would be pretty good filler in between battles. Unfortunately all of these videos would take time from each other.
One other thing: why is RUclips pushing Luna Oi!'s channel on me?
Honestly I don't know. It's made much worse by the fact that she denies these ever happened (iirc). RUclips likes pushing the Communist crap.
Well they are on Beijings payroll.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnameven when I was liberal, I probably would have found her channel offensive. When looking up information on the overseas Vietnamese community, I made the mistake in watching one of her videos on the war and I couldn't make it to 5 minutes. It was that offensive.
@@anthonyrhodes8042 If anything both Luna Oi and the Memory of the South reproduced the same simplistic left vs right non-sensical discourse that is useless to understand contemporary Vietnam and its growing security cooperation with the US. Neither has realized that the main enemy of both the US and Vietnam is China who did not only launched a war against Vietnam in 1979 and still claims a huge chunk of the maritime territory of Vietnam. Whereas that Stalinist hippie Luna Oi wrongly depicts Vietnam as a socialist distributive nirvana,,the memory of the South falsely depicts Vietnam as a command economy. The reality is that since Vietnam launched its Doi Moi free market reforms in 1986 it has become an informal authoritarian capitalist state that just in 2022 achieved an 8.02 rate of economic growth. Morever since 1986 the Vietnamese communist party dictatorship has recognized private property rights in both industry and the countryside , has promoted huge inflows of foreign private capital in the country.,and has allowed the Vietnamese , especially farmers to become rich . Vietnam is still a dictatorship but so are other capitalist authoritarian states align with the US such as Egypt ,Saudi Arabia and informally Turkey. So to the chagrin of the Memory of the South and Oi ,contemporary Vietnam is neither economically at least communist nor anti-American.
@@zacharyballif3212 You mean Hanoi Payroll?
Im from north vietnam and i live in Germany. I condemn this massacre. Geopolitically, the fight between North and South was a power struggle. I am proud of my culture and history, but not of the South Vietnamese regime or Viet Cong who massacred many innocent people. I hope it will not repeat it again.
Why did you use the bonnie blue flag from the american civil war on the first map?
Oh I didn't even know that was an actual flag. I just made that design by total coincidence - the classic American blue and White star of democracy/liberty as opposed to the yellow and red of the Commumists.
American tanks in WWII had white stars on their tanks that's why haha.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam ohhhhh ok 👍
There's a Vietnamese lady who on her channel "Luna ơi" spreads very one-sided views and accounts on the war, American imperialism, etc. I wish you would debate her on the war and the aftermath. She is a staunch supporter of communism, of course, and has lots of viewers/supporters.
Would you be interested in having a civil discussion with her?
Yeah I definitely know about her channel... I have her Armchair Historian rebuttal video at the top of my 'watch later' playlist as a form of reverse motivation ha ha. It's filled to the brim with the classic Communist manipulation tactics...
I am thoroughly bad at live arguments and debates so maybe not in the near future. The plan might be to do debunking videos first, but that would be after the plain old history.
As a Northern Vietnames (Hanoian), this would of course never taught in school, real open mind for me, and a reminder that war is hell. Losses for both sides, thank you for the Information, and thank GOD we got unified after such a long war.
Fellow Hanoian here. If you haven’t travel to the south or to the US, you wouldn’t get the kind of … sentiment that many of them have toward us there 😂 so, honest advice, take things they said with a grain of salt. McCarthyism runs deep with those who affiliated with america.
@@baonguyen-ct6nj i literally live in HCMC bro
@ nice, so you get me bro ;)
It is weird why vietnamese tankies hate the republic of vietnam more then the usa.
Because those who support the Republic of Vietnam regime always fabricate, blaming and lie to justify the crimes that this regime in the South commits, The so-called "Hue massacre" is just a nonsense joke
@@duongthienbao8782 War crimes were committed by basically every single party in Vietnam. Huế is only one of the many North Vietnam did.
@@dirtyfighters7751 that's the war crime that only made by the South Vietnamese puppet government and the US and they made up the scenes to claim that the North Vietnam did it while the Western independent journalists were find the proof is the civilians were killed by bomber aircrafts and artillery from the US and South Vietnam forces and when they ask South Vietnamese villagers, they said there is no VC soldiers came to their place but the US aircrafts came instead and bombing on civilians in some villages
@@duongthienbao8782here in my hands as I type this is the 2002 memoir of Bùi Tín called “From Enemy to Friend: a North Vietnamese perspective on the war” where Tín was an acting colonel for the NVA whilst communist forces were taking the city of Huê and was personally there, he mentions that yes, it wasn’t the Americans who committed the massacres but instead the North Vietnamese. He blames the massacre on the NVA soldiers driven by not only communist propaganda calling Huê “a bed of reactionaries” but also “disintegration of discipline” from having to deal with American bombardment to retake the communist occupied city.
Tín then goes onto to mention once US marines counter attacked the NVA troops were ordered to retreat with the captured civilians, however the communist forces then shot the civilians and then had them buried to (in Tín’s own words mind you) “ensure the safety of the retreat.”
Yeah totally “American propaganda” if a former NVA colonel admits this massacre happened.
@@TheDigitalApple wow, more like Fabricated information here, Bui Tin must be got paid some money for lying Propaganda, why you don't ask the former Western journalists who came to the scene of Hue massacre for real information here, nice blaming here
I was there during the tet offensive in Hue 1968 I was with NMCB-8 a Navy Construction Battalion. During the fighting I spent many nights in trenches in the monsoon rain preventing the NVA from overtaking our artillery positions that were supporting the marines. We would take rocket fire at all hours but mostly in the wee hours of morning
thank you for making this video, I am from Hue (currently living in the US), both of my parents lived thru the war and witness the Tet Offensive. This deserves every bit of attention from the general population.
Much like Japan’s Yasukuni shrine which has 1000 convicted war criminals and downplaying Japanese atrocities of WW2, Vietnam’s capital Ho Chi Minh city has a similar shrine honoring the Vietcong and NVA and to downplay their atrocities. It has been thanks to communist propaganda Ho Chi Minh and his regime aren’t demonized around the world like he should but hopefully once more people learn about Huê that day will come!
Hopefully the truth can eventually go viral one day.
People in Hue or the whole Vietnam only knows the truth that the US and South Vietnamese forces are the one who did their atrocities in Hue city and they made up fake proof to framing the VC and NVA, the propaganda are only from the US bootlickers who leave the South Vietnam and the US, thanks to the US propaganda, those US bootlickers, Pro-Imperialist, Colonists Sympathizers from South Vietnam aren't demonized in the US and Western countries, These South Vietnamese puppet people in the US are paid to lies to downplay their regime atrocities
Another incident would be the bombing of my canh restaurant in 1965. It's completely covered up. And the culprit VC got promoted for that event. Another is the atrocities the VC nguyen van lem committed which the commie government desperately covers up. The current propaganda department denies any VC or NVA involvement in the massacre of hue 68 but blames it on the ARVN despite being the ones that invaded hue.
@@duongthienbao8782 that’s funny, my mother and her family are from Hue and they remember the massacre as a being horrible and extremely unwarranted. Propaganda my ass.
@@franpham9455 more like your mother is making an imagination memory or fabricating these stories that your mother doesn't see without any evidence
This is an excellent video.
Thank you for watching the video, hopefully it was informative
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam It was. My dad fought in Hue in 1968 with 1st Bn, 1st Mar. Reg., 1st Mar. Div.
My Lai massacre 500 and Hue massacre 6000. You be the judge..
Just goes to show how strong the propaganda machine is that one is forgotten and the other is put on full blast
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam Only the winner tells the story, even USA supports NVA…. but this logic is everybody a communist now? 🤦🏻♂️ No one ever talks about the famine that happened bc the gov got greedy. The famine is why people left VN
@@TranHungDao. So you think that the famine in 1945 was caused by Vietminh and not the Japanese Empire?
My uncle served as a military interpreter for the Americans in the Arvn, he fled Saigon to the USA in the last few days. Sadly his family couldn't make it, and he ended up fleeing to the USA alone. if he had stayed in Vietnam, the communists would have lynched him for sure.
I don't recall seeing anything about this in the War Remnants Museum in Saigon back in October. How strange, lol
I remember.
Lest we forget.
Just a suggestion but I think it would be cool if you reviewed videos on the Vietnam war and fact checked them
Honestly after viewing the Armchair Historian's recent Tết Offensive Video I am very tempted to take a small break from Kon Tum to fact check it. There's just so much that's wrong...
Oh Viet Nam, how they desecrate you so :CCC
Yeah, unfortunately the Communists have destroyed much of traditional Vietnamese population. But the people there are simply workers in the cog of the Communist machine making the party rich... It's sad to see the current Vietnamese youth almost fetishize outside as a weird replacement for a good core culture.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam bless the memory of those who fought for a Non Communist Viet Nam 🙏 ✝️
I just want to cry now.. :(
Yeah this is definitely a humbling and horrific event in history. Hopefully it doesn't get forgotten in time.
Chán cho những kiểu tuyên truyền nói suông ko có chứng cứ thế này. Cũng buồn cho những người nghe rồi tin, không tự tìm hiểu thêm.
Sự kiện này do tướng Mỹ và tướng của VNCH tường thuật lại, không ai công nhận!
Thằng đọc bài này giọng người Việt gốc Hoa đặc sệt, nghe cũng biết là lũ phản động chia rẽ dân tộc mà!🤣
There are many unaccounted atrocities by the Vietcong - the bombing of a primary school in Cai lay District Mekong Delta killing many students during school hours ,the execution of villagers in Long Khanh Province during the final offensive Spring 1975 because the local militia ambushed the northern invaders, the execution of former village officials in Phu Yen Province in 4 /1975, the execution of former government official & military officers in Con Son Island 5/1975
This looks like what the Saloth Sar do to the Cambodians. They all have the sino advisors.
Honestly the only media made in past 20 years that reference it was call of duty blacks ops of all things
Have you heard of Yeonmi Park. She is a public speaker who escaped North Korea. She described herlife there and how starvation and malnutrition are common. Maybe stories of the boat people and the economic turmoil Vietnam faced ten years after the war(Which ultimately led to Vietnam opening markets)? Also what are your thoughts on Donald Trump and the election this year?
Yeah I've heard of her, although I didn't pay attention too much so I have no opinion at the moment
I am not American but I keep tabs on the election and this may be an important turning point for the country - no matter who wins.
Until now I'm still confused and dubious upon searching "Maoist dogmatic lines" with full quotation marks, which leads to this work of Mr. Pike
Long Live the Republic of South Vietnam, fallen to communist slavery.
Cope.
Cope further more
Could you give me the definition of "slavery" ?
I have a question, what do you think could have been differently by the usa, and south vietnam to have "won" the vietnam war
I can answer it since no one has responded to this question in 12 days.
First of all, to discuss what they could’ve done differently to win, it’s important to first discuss what their opponents (the Vietcong) were doing. The Vietcong didn’t at all care how many fathers and sons, husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, mothers and daughters they had to sacrifice to ultimately win. As their policies consisted of legit disguising and hiding in civilian populated areas and attacking the Western soldiers when their guards were down (not amounting the civilians caught in the crossfire), or bombing/mining various busses, ambulances, and trucks carrying orphans in them, etc. The Western soldiers, on the other hand, were being very lenient. On top of all the fighting, the US, Australian, New Zealand, etc. soldiers were also very concerned about mitigating as much civilian damage as possible. The soldiers were building schools, providing food, water, electricity, and further military support to the denizens and soldiers of South Vietnam, whereas the Vietcong didn’t care at all for the civilians. Furthermore, politics and public opinion significantly restricted US involvement (as the people in the US were significantly growing sour towards the war, and politics didn’t let the Americans use certain weapons and didn’t allow them to commit certain attacks), and the US never formally declared war on Vietnam (they were only aiding the South) and thus didn’t necessarily go all in on the Vietnamese, unlike the Vietcong.
So TL;DR, the Americans (and their allies) were too lenient and occupied with mitigating civilian casualties, and they didn’t formally declare war on North Vietnam and thus weren’t able to go all in on their assaults. Whereas the Vietcong went all in no matter what and were careless for the well-being of the civilians. If America and its allies were less lenient, declared war, and more aggressive, they could’ve easily won (funnily enough, they almost still did win).
@@dirtyfighters7751 and were is the information that you claim the VC was not care about civilians?
@@dirtyfighters7751 the US, the South Vietnam regime and the allies soldiers don't care about the South Vietnamese civilians but only wage war against North Vietnam and killing civilians for fun, The South Vietnamese government carried out land reform to restore French-style feudal landlordism and stole land from farmers to keep pro-French landlords in control.
@@duongthienbao8782 Oh crap, I don’t know why I didn’t see this reply until now.
For where I got this information, I got it from Vietnamese defectors, children of people who lived in the Vietnam war, ex-Vietcong soldiers, and other Vietnam war historians. My ex-Vietcong neighbour when I used to live in Toowoomba even corroborated these stories, proclaiming that what I listed is one of the many reasons she quit. See Nathan-Khang Nguyen, someone who’s family experienced the Vietnam war.
@@dirtyfighters7751 bruh
Hello! Memory of South Vietnam I was looking at some photos and footage of the ARVN and I saw ARVN soldiers with communist gear like ak47 ammo pouches and I saw some ARVN with ak47 I am just curious why are they using communist gear and why do they have it.
Yeah there are many photos after search and destroy operations where Communist stockpiles were found and confiscated. Most likely these supplies would have come from those.
Ammunition is always low, so I wouldn't be surprised that ARVN troops used them when they got desperate.
if this were true then why the south viet government won’t let the reporter see the grave or body ? they could have more advantage at information.
What are you talking about? There are literal body bags in the video. And one image where I blurred the body out.
South Vietnamese committed genocide against Cham people then settler colonialism against Montagnards
The Montagnards were very clearly taking the American/South Vietnamese side towards the end of the war, especially in Kon Tum. Disproves whatever you just said.
It was the Communists that perpetrated the Dak Sơn massacre on the Montagnards, slaughtering a whole village, not us Nationalists.
Also this has nothing to do with this video
All the 1st North Vietnamese leaders were once Americans allies during WWII against the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a small group of US special military personnel to Vietnam after 1 year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. These US military personnels train the 1st Vietminh soldiers how to use assault rifle and booby trap. The Vietminh save several US pilots, who plane was shot down by the Japanese army. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognize Vietnam Independence from France but never to live to see it. But his Vice President Truman took a different approach by supporting the French to recolonize Vietnam after rejecting Ho Chi Minh letter of support for Vietnam Independence from France. This cause Ho Chi Minh seeking support from communist Russia and China. In 1950, US Democrats President Truman sent the 1st US MAAG personnel to Vietnam to assist the French Army in Vietnam. This is how America 1st got involve in Vietnam. On May 7, 1954, when France lost thier rule over Vietnam after losing a major battle at battle of Dien Bien Phu to the North Vietnam. America military never left from Vietnam because US Democrat President Truman, JF Kennedy, and LB Johnson made sure that United States should dictate into Vietnam afair. On Nov. 2, 1963 US Democrats President JF Kennedy stage a mitary coup assination on South Vietnam President, Ngo Dinh Diem. This gives United States the power over the country of Vietnam and the Vietnamese peoples. US Democrats President, JF Kennedy and LB Johnson appointed their puppet ex-Vietminh soldiers, Nguyen Van Thieu, as President of South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese President, who cost the lives 500,000 South Vietnamese killed or capture by the North Vietnamese army and their allies Pathet Loas and Khmer Rouge of Cambodia when he sent them to Laos and Kampuchia. And who told him to do so. United States. On Nov. 22, 1963, JF Kennedy was killed in Dallas, TX. US Vice President LB Johnson, was appointed as President of United States. The following year Aug. 8, 1964, US Democrats President, LB Johnson announce US military action to Vietnam to Americans peoples over the Gulf of Tonkins Incident. In which involve a US Destroyer Maddox was patroling past the 17th parallel DMZ line near Honoi the capital of North Vietnam.
But according to US Nuclear weapon offier, John White on the US Destroyer Maddox. That their were No attack. But still US Democrats President LB Johnson push for US military action to Vietnam which lead to the Vietnam War. Only 500,000 US ground troops was sent. Out of all the US ground troops who was draft and sent to fight in Vietnam. 40% were Blacks males, along with non-college white male, high school drop out, war protester males, and convict. America didn't sent their best but their worse from 1965-1969 when Nixon became US President. Nixon and he order all US ground force to began pull out of Vietnam in 1969. US Republicans President Nixon order a non-stop B52 bomber to bomb Hanoi and Haiphong. Nixon also promise the South Vietnamese the continuing of US military aids to Vietnam to defend themselve from the North Vietnam aggression. That United States would replace any US military weapons that was lost to the South Vietnam. The South Vietnamese army did retake back many lost territories in the South from Communist North. On August 8, 1974, President Nixon announce his resignation as President of United States over the Watergate Scandal. On Nov. 5, 1974, the Democrats won a landslide in congress both in the US Senate and the House of Representative. The following year in 1975, the Democrats control congress cuts all US promis military aids to South Vietnam. On April 30, 1975, the Fall of Saigon to Communist North Vietnam and thus began the flow of Vietnamese refugees. During the entire Vietnam War, America brought pain, death, and destruction to the Vietnamese peoples of Vietnam. And today, several South Vietnamese young generation is still suffer from the affect of United States biological chemicals, Agent Orange which the US military spray all over rivers and forests of South Vietnam during the War. And American still today still talk about how heroic they did during the Vietnam War.
At least you can talk about it without getting thrown in prison for 10 years. Obviously that happened. But if you talk about the Hue massacre or any communist atrocities in Vietnam. The government there does just that. No freedom of speech. Not to mention the reason they are doing well economically is because they abandoned their communist economix model in 1988. Why? Because they were starving.
Before the 1st North Vietnamese communist leaders pretended to be American allies during WWII, they already took the oath of loyalty to Soviet and Chinese communist leaders. Basically, they would attempt to extract they could from the West while serving the Soviet and China. The Boris Yeltsin regime / administration declassified a few documents of the Soviet era about that. RT TV English programs even broadcast one or two documentaries about that. Of course, under Vladimir Putin, those declassified documents and documentaries magically disappeared.
*Communists have always been snakes in the grass* .
You didn't say anything of substance... you just made a whole rant about honestly loosely related stuff as though it made some sort of point. These are all just biased, cherry-picked (and quite rudimentary) "factoids" that the Vietnamese government spoonfeeds its population to get them to believe they are educated when they have simply been manipulated into a certain belief.
Just goes to show that the sheer amount of propaganda just destroys people's inability to think - nothing about this had any relation to the subject of the video.
@@MemoryofSouthVietnam "These are all just biased, cherry-picked (and quite rudimentary) "factoids" that the Vietnamese government spoonfeeds its population to get them to believe they are educated when they have simply been manipulated into a certain belief"
Manipulating, biased, cherry-picked, fabricated propaganda and "factoids" is not something that are make by the current Vietnamese government but only from South Vietnamese puppet people who have abandoned Vietnam, supporting and have belief on South Vietnamese colony puppet regime of the US and the US propaganda to manipulate the thoughts of foreigners to justify for the South Vietnamese puppet regime crimes that you are supporting and I have to say is sorry, the current Vietnamese government never doing that in Vietnam but telling the real truth to the people.
You know during the Vietnam War there were a lot case of US ground troops commit a lot of attrocities toward many South Vietnamese villagers during their "Search and Destroy Mission." Many were never reported and a lot was being covered up by US General William Childs Westmoreland. There were many US ground troops saw the attrocities done by their fellow American troops and did nothing. While other participate. Vietnamese peoples were the victim of the Vietnam War. Even though many Vietnamese didn't start the War and didn't ask for it. That was the decision by the American peoples who voted for Democrats President JF Kennedy and LB Johnson as their Commander in Chief for their country. And Democrats President Truman who brought Communist support to Vietnam by allowing and supporting France to reclaim Vietnam as their colony. A country who value their freedom and independence from England. Deny other country of their own. America has never a democracy country. America is a Republic.
Where is this Republic of America?
@sgtcwhatley Here is proof of documentary videos what US troops did to the South Vietnamese peoples during their Search and Destroyed mission on RUclips video. And you can watch and see it for yourself on RUclips video. These are the RUclips video name titles.
0) US bombing civilian village, actual footage
1) US troops spray Agent Orange from riverboat in Vietnam.
2) Veteran tells why the Vietnamese hate him
3) A US Vietnam Soldier Describes his Experiences of War Crime.
4) Incident Hill 192
5) My Lai Masscre (History)
@@BinhLe-bz2eu ok. That's not the answer to my question. Where is the Republic of America?
@@sgtcwhatley It's written onto America "I pledge allegiance" oath speech taught to every American since Pre-K. And if your American born in America and went through Kindergarten all the way to High School. You should know the "I pledge allegiance oath speech." It had been establish since the founding father of America.
@sgtcwhatley It's written written onto the US Constitution and I Pledge allegiance oath speech taught to every American school.
everyone remembers my lai but nobody seems to remember this massacre... i wonder why
Honestly it's the power of media... the numbers and facts should be king but with Vietnam it's not the case, instead it's rhetoric and emotions first.