Para os meus brasileiros que só vieram aqui pra ver a verduxa, aqui estão os momentos que o gringo fala dela 21:13 - ROBO#1 BRASIL💚💚💚💚💚💚🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷💚💚 57:36 - CROC 1:09:28 - TINOWS 1:29:56 - VOCÊ TOMOU GAP DO LOUD ROUTE🤍💚🇧🇷🇰🇷 1:50:16 - REDBERT 2:06:18 - Descrição geral do time comparado com outros do campeonato Então, embora o vídeo seja muito longo e em inglês, recomendo ele muito para entender mais sobre as outras regiões, esse gringo é genial no que ele fala e eu concordo com tipo 95% do que ele disse, então assista esse vídeo e dê dinheiro pra ele pq ele merece
Great video, love how you explain why you placed each pleayer in their respective tier. As always you are probably the only one that watches some games from minor regions, amazing work. Could you please do a video when the MSI ends talking about your thoughts of players and teams performance? As you did last worlds. Greetings from Colombia. Go Estral!!!!
I’d be interested to see a follow-up video after MSI ends talking about anyone who did better/worse than your expectations, if you’re interested, cause I won’t be able to watch a lot of the games besides the big ones. I appreciate this vid though- very informative. Good luck with finals homie
Your TL opinions were really weird, Yeon was not a bottom tier NA adc especially this split nor did he get carried to MSI, he was at worst the second best player on TL throughout playoffs, and Busio above core is a take only someone who didnt watch any games would have.
Yeah the only list I had qualms with was the supp list, core was def underrated, and so was Jun. Also don’t think the Chinese supports are in their own tier above the Koreans right now
Tbh i dont think he watches NA. Jensen had a amazing split until the finals game he was pulling his weight the com,ment "I dont know why hes on a top team" was actually showing to me how little of LCS this man watched this year. There is no way we put yeon this low with how much impact he's putting for TL the whole argument on why APA is even getting his champions is because of Yeon stepping up his game and being a bigger threat that APA on comfort
Alright watched the whole video. I think the one player you really got wrong was Yeon. I’ll preface this by saying I was a certified Yeon hater. Yeon stepped up massively this split, and by no means got carried to MSI.
I understand you saying kiin is the best top currently, but wouldn't it be better to have more team fight forcused top laner(because it gives you more ways to lead games without bot side single carrying), and who can impact 5v5? I just think kiins is a masterclass at Lain, but not as impactful as zeus or 369 in teamfights(except K'sante). In any case, thanks for the video. I hope you can keep it up
i would argue kiin is not a weakside top laner, he got bailed out pretty hard against zeus, the only game i would say he won because of his play was the TF into reksai game. even though in that game he also got help he played the lane well enough to starve zeus. i would like to say i think kiin is one of the best tank tops/ don't lose lane tops i have ever seen but i think he would have lost top to zeus if he hadn't gotten so much help to be in winning positions early.
Nah your take about oner being lee sin merchant is crazy 😂 Oner is known for his lee sin, nidalee as his favorite champs. He has Nocturne as pocket pick that usually only T1 uses in the world. He plays great poppy as well and i haven't even included his J4, xin zhao, veigo, vi. Oner is definitely A tier but his champ pool isn't small as you described.
Imma keep editing this comment as I get thru the vid with just some shit I think About impact overperforming I’d say it’s more he’s consistent cuz he pretty much always had a play or a game where he would be this good but he struggled to keep ether same level of outplay and macro
As for VCS enjoyer and someone who could understand their language (as i am in the same region). Ellio is actually co-caller with Levi but it's leading to more passive call than jug. Other than that, i think your tier list is pretty accurated in VCS. But i think they're still worst than this.
What Western team and even more small team are suppose to do ? I can see the best minor region beating LCS Seed #3 and Western Seed #4 but what they gonna do against top 4 western Team ?
I honestly believe Zeus has been trolling for the second half of the split to make people talk trash about him. If he gets to MSI and starts picking Aatrox again its just gonna prove hes hard trolling
Love and agree with almost all the player lists, but for teams, T1 should be bottom of S, and fnc is def not above the na teams, they should all be in C together with g2 in B
it's kinda depressing that this core of Robo, Croc and TinOwns are probably the best core ever in our region and they're ranked so low internationally lol
The disrespectful ranking of NA teams, putting MAPLE as better than Jensen and APA when maple looked like one of the worst mids when he was in Na ( doesn't look better now) and lack of divivde for the East-West players is insane.
Maple was on a bad team but I always thought he performed well individually. Also how disrespectful can it really be when I put both NA teams over FNC and PSG
S tier - 3rd week Oscar A tier - Bin if the enemy top laners name starts with geng B tier - Bwipo when the coach lets him cook C tier - Zeus when the enemy team don’t random start a team fight when he has the perfect angle to get a pentakill F tier - 1st week Oscar
u always say TES was expected to be top 4-5 in LPL before the split, but who ever thought that? did somone really expect NIP or LNG to beat TES in both standings and direct faceoff?
Yes definitely LNG was 2nd in summer and had 4 of the 5 same members with what people perceived at the time as a jungle sidegrade It was always BLG LNG JDG top 3 prediction
@@psychopathicporo with 369 meiko i had always predicted TES to be way stronger than before, and with them barely losing to LNG in summer i expected nothing less than a top 3 from them
I just hope that GenG won't be dissapointing everyone again so that the narrative that GenG always chokes internationally goes away...i know that they can win MSI...just don't choke really😅 (Although, I want T1 to win MSI😂😂)
Crazy the gap between the worst LCK support (Jun) and the worst LEC support (Targa) Jun being the Fnatic MVP is no different than Targa tyranny in EU Master We can also talk about NRG beating G2 bcz of Ignar
I love how fnc has better players in 4/5 roles and is rated lower than the NA teams lol. Either your NA players are being underrated or the teams are overrated. That, or FNC teamwork is ultra dogshit, which I do not think is true.
For FNC, razork and Jun are amazing but the rest of the team is super mid. I do think the TL carries are being a bit underrated but they’re both young and weren’t great at worlds so understandable. Core being rated this badly though is criminal
As I watch PCS for really long time (but not this year) I never see Woody do any play impressive. He is just that not inting that much as other in pcs (still inting tho)
Wait you actually ask this question, let me help you, you sre new to the league scene apparently. EU has dominated NA the last 15 years, and for some periods EU has dominated the world in league, NA has never done that, its hard to put trust in a region that hasnt done anything in internationals in 15 years of competetive play. Yes they might upset win like NRG did, that doesnt still put trust in the region until they win against eastern team which they cannot do apparently. NRG won against G2 but G2 still were the favourites and it was an massive upset win for NRG. But put it on the bigger picture, how many games did the whole NA region won against the eastern teams? Let me help you, Zero, 0 games they won, the whole region. G2 alone won games against GEN G, BLG, DK, WBG. So who did better? As a fan its hard to be hyped for NA, you manually have to trust EU and the western goats like Caps because of history. Simple as that.
You know it's MSI time when we get more than one video a month. I love it
finally, my opinions have arrived (part 2)
Every tierlist is the same solo B-tier make it stoppppppppp
I'm sorry🥺
How rebrand to B2
hope Estral leaves an impression and not another LLA team for the "international experience" 🙏🏻🌸
Para os meus brasileiros que só vieram aqui pra ver a verduxa, aqui estão os momentos que o gringo fala dela
21:13 - ROBO#1 BRASIL💚💚💚💚💚💚🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷💚💚
57:36 - CROC
1:09:28 - TINOWS
1:29:56 - VOCÊ TOMOU GAP DO LOUD ROUTE🤍💚🇧🇷🇰🇷
1:50:16 - REDBERT
2:06:18 - Descrição geral do time comparado com outros do campeonato
Então, embora o vídeo seja muito longo e em inglês, recomendo ele muito para entender mais sobre as outras regiões, esse gringo é genial no que ele fala e eu concordo com tipo 95% do que ele disse, então assista esse vídeo e dê dinheiro pra ele pq ele merece
Vlw meu rei
Great video, love how you explain why you placed each pleayer in their respective tier. As always you are probably the only one that watches some games from minor regions, amazing work.
Could you please do a video when the MSI ends talking about your thoughts of players and teams performance? As you did last worlds.
Greetings from Colombia. Go Estral!!!!
I’d be interested to see a follow-up video after MSI ends talking about anyone who did better/worse than your expectations, if you’re interested, cause I won’t be able to watch a lot of the games besides the big ones. I appreciate this vid though- very informative. Good luck with finals homie
Brazil mentioned, gotta make a video just about loud so we brazilians can make our convention on the comments!!
Your TL opinions were really weird, Yeon was not a bottom tier NA adc especially this split nor did he get carried to MSI, he was at worst the second best player on TL throughout playoffs, and Busio above core is a take only someone who didnt watch any games would have.
Yeah the only list I had qualms with was the supp list, core was def underrated, and so was Jun. Also don’t think the Chinese supports are in their own tier above the Koreans right now
Tbh i dont think he watches NA. Jensen had a amazing split until the finals game he was pulling his weight the com,ment "I dont know why hes on a top team" was actually showing to me how little of LCS this man watched this year. There is no way we put yeon this low with how much impact he's putting for TL the whole argument on why APA is even getting his champions is because of Yeon stepping up his game and being a bigger threat that APA on comfort
He didn't say what you think he did 😂
W, your posts have got me excited for msi
So glad you actually run through the minors. I have so much of a better understanding after watching these.
Alright watched the whole video. I think the one player you really got wrong was Yeon. I’ll preface this by saying I was a certified Yeon hater. Yeon stepped up massively this split, and by no means got carried to MSI.
Yeon only looked good in two series imo, one vs Massu Busio and the other against a heavily underperforming Berserker. I'm not sold yet
Kiin may not be as explosive as Zeus and Bin but he is the most stable top laner IMO.
Pretty good tier list
Robo #1 let’s go BRAZILLLLLLLLLL 💚💚💚💚
Se tiene estudiada hasta la LLA, este poro es increíble.
I understand you saying kiin is the best top currently, but wouldn't it be better to have more team fight forcused top laner(because it gives you more ways to lead games without bot side single carrying), and who can impact 5v5? I just think kiins is a masterclass at Lain, but not as impactful as zeus or 369 in teamfights(except K'sante). In any case, thanks for the video. I hope you can keep it up
Fique com suas estatísticas, eu prefiro a magia! Loud vai passar para a fase de grupos 💚
As a VCS fan, it's kinda sad to see but GAM tier list is accurate tbh. My expectation for GAM this MSI is pretty low, just hope they'll try their best
i would argue kiin is not a weakside top laner, he got bailed out pretty hard against zeus, the only game i would say he won because of his play was the TF into reksai game. even though in that game he also got help he played the lane well enough to starve zeus. i would like to say i think kiin is one of the best tank tops/ don't lose lane tops i have ever seen but i think he would have lost top to zeus if he hadn't gotten so much help to be in winning positions early.
Nah your take about oner being lee sin merchant is crazy 😂
Oner is known for his lee sin, nidalee as his favorite champs. He has Nocturne as pocket pick that usually only T1 uses in the world. He plays great poppy as well and i haven't even included his J4, xin zhao, veigo, vi. Oner is definitely A tier but his champ pool isn't small as you described.
Do you think the Bot laners in LCS have been mediocre ever since Danny left LCS. Just a question I have
Berserker had a mid year but has been insane, and yeon is being underrated, prob bc of worlds last year, but he really stepped up
good and well-thought out video, but i am really confused by the Yeon ranking, he is not that bad
Loud made all of us lookalike dumb believers… they trolled hard
Imma keep editing this comment as I get thru the vid with just some shit I think
About impact overperforming I’d say it’s more he’s consistent cuz he pretty much always had a play or a game where he would be this good but he struggled to keep ether same level of outplay and macro
A 2 hour long video???? Hell yeah 😈
As for VCS enjoyer and someone who could understand their language (as i am in the same region). Ellio is actually co-caller with Levi but it's leading to more passive call than jug. Other than that, i think your tier list is pretty accurated in VCS. But i think they're still worst than this.
What Western team and even more small team are suppose to do ?
I can see the best minor region beating LCS Seed #3 and Western Seed #4 but what they gonna do against top 4 western Team ?
it looks bright for the LLA i really wish that we can win at least one series
You know poro is serious if he made a tier list for 2 hours
I honestly believe Zeus has been trolling for the second half of the split to make people talk trash about him. If he gets to MSI and starts picking Aatrox again its just gonna prove hes hard trolling
Jackey above guma ☠️
Love and agree with almost all the player lists, but for teams, T1 should be bottom of S, and fnc is def not above the na teams, they should all be in C together with g2 in B
I have FNC below the NA teams and I have G2 in B
it's kinda depressing that this core of Robo, Croc and TinOwns are probably the best core ever in our region and they're ranked so low internationally lol
Watching my Vietnamese boys be ranked D and F hurts but I can’t even refute it lol
I’ll tell you who G2 hasn’t beaten: Rogue, they haven’t beaten Rogue
The disrespectful ranking of NA teams, putting MAPLE as better than Jensen and APA when maple looked like one of the worst mids when he was in Na ( doesn't look better now) and lack of divivde for the East-West players is insane.
Maple was on a bad team but I always thought he performed well individually. Also how disrespectful can it really be when I put both NA teams over FNC and PSG
S tier - 3rd week Oscar
A tier - Bin if the enemy top laners name starts with geng
B tier - Bwipo when the coach lets him cook
C tier - Zeus when the enemy team don’t random start a team fight when he has the perfect angle to get a pentakill
F tier - 1st week Oscar
I agree with most of the list but lehemds and meiko over keria and kiin being over 369 otherwise pretty solid
u always say TES was expected to be top 4-5 in LPL before the split, but who ever thought that?
did somone really expect NIP or LNG to beat TES in both standings and direct faceoff?
Yes definitely
LNG was 2nd in summer and had 4 of the 5 same members with what people perceived at the time as a jungle sidegrade
It was always BLG LNG JDG top 3 prediction
@@psychopathicporo with 369 meiko i had always predicted TES to be way stronger than before, and with them barely losing to LNG in summer i expected nothing less than a top 3 from them
Jensen in C and not B?, yeon in D??? excuse me?
I just hope that GenG won't be dissapointing everyone again so that the narrative that GenG always chokes internationally goes away...i know that they can win MSI...just don't choke really😅
(Although, I want T1 to win MSI😂😂)
Lehends called that lane swap in game 1.
LLL ROUTE (B) Or (C)
Opinions on Jojopyun if he were on the mid list?
"when he pal;yed in lcs thought maple was better than jensen" Also jensen hyper gapping him in playoffs;
Ok only thing i disagree is Creme above Caps
make a hecarim top guide please
Lil bro hiding his face this year 😂
I wanted to do the MSI glasses gag but i can't just buy MSI sunglasses off the rip😭
Crazy the gap between the worst LCK support (Jun) and the worst LEC support (Targa)
Jun being the Fnatic MVP is no different than Targa tyranny in EU Master
We can also talk about NRG beating G2 bcz of Ignar
I love how fnc has better players in 4/5 roles and is rated lower than the NA teams lol. Either your NA players are being underrated or the teams are overrated.
That, or FNC teamwork is ultra dogshit, which I do not think is true.
TL is a better than the sum of their parts kinda team and i think APA and Yeon are getting overlooked. Yeon especially in D tier is criminal
@@lazerfruit2121 Yeah. Overall sentiment seems to think that APA and Yeon are both just dogshit, yet good enough to somehow beat FNC lol.
For FNC, razork and Jun are amazing but the rest of the team is super mid. I do think the TL carries are being a bit underrated but they’re both young and weren’t great at worlds so understandable. Core being rated this badly though is criminal
so y is bro a anime girl 💀
*anime femboy😤😤😤
As I watch PCS for really long time (but not this year) I never see Woody do any play impressive. He is just that not inting that much as other in pcs (still inting tho)
nice tier list, besides the obvious kiin bias. But it's not too much of a stretch to put him number 1
Bro hates Yike
Why is legit everyone rating EU above NA in every role but top? NA will be vindicated when we finally get to play vs EU
Wait you actually ask this question, let me help you, you sre new to the league scene apparently. EU has dominated NA the last 15 years, and for some periods EU has dominated the world in league, NA has never done that, its hard to put trust in a region that hasnt done anything in internationals in 15 years of competetive play. Yes they might upset win like NRG did, that doesnt still put trust in the region until they win against eastern team which they cannot do apparently. NRG won against G2 but G2 still were the favourites and it was an massive upset win for NRG. But put it on the bigger picture, how many games did the whole NA region won against the eastern teams? Let me help you, Zero, 0 games they won, the whole region. G2 alone won games against GEN G, BLG, DK, WBG. So who did better? As a fan its hard to be hyped for NA, you manually have to trust EU and the western goats like Caps because of history. Simple as that.
Another tournament, another turns-out-very-wrong and very not-so-well-regarded tierlist from LPL fanboys.
I have T1 over TES and GEN over BLG, how am I an LPL fanboy?
@@psychopathicporowell the B tier botlane just gapped the S tier botlane LPL fanboy 🥶
keria "A" Lmao
Real question, why is Bwipo considered an LCS great when he hasnt been successful? Also hes only been on LCS for a small portion of his career.
Idk if we’d call him an lcs great, but he and impact were the clear best tops all split
LPL dik riding at its best 😂.
We'll see who wins MSI
"LPL Dickriding" when I have GEN over BLG and T1 over TES, good one.
Sorry but Kiin isn’t even Koreans best top. 369 and bin so much better than him too imo.
who is it then?
@@neilpanganiban272 zeus obviously
@@VorTexow 👍
Looks like you were wrong
@@worstjgleuw6658 im not tho, casual
MSI is a poo poo