Thanks for all your effort you put in to this video! Looks like the action 4 has more deep color and more structure Maybe Next time try to film at 60 p for fast moving videos I really really liked the music you Choose ❤
Even with RUclips's compression, the improvement is noticable. They still need to make improvements on the HDR overprocessing and super night but its now starting to look like an actual improved camera from the action 4
I plan on buying this camera for the 1st time. Since I have the Mavic 3, I'm all in on DJI. It can only get better, in my opinion. The 5 is sharper, and for the money, if you don't have the 4, get the 5.
Let me express a few thoughts about your test. Firstly, the side-scrolling test should have been done at 60 fps, at 30 it is impossible to see anything, everything just twitches and strobes. Secondly, RUclips itself has a bitrate of no more than 50 megabits in 4K, so it is almost impossible to see the difference. You needed to make playback on your computer screen, make freeze frames and crop some area for demonstration. In general, the quality of Action 5 looks preferable, but not because of the bitrate, but more correct color and dynamic range.
@@EspenJohan By the way, a very good test for bitrate and compression as such is moving water , sand texture and green forest with small details in the same frame at 16:30. And also beautiful. I was once in Norway, the nature there is simply magical. This is a great place to use as a reference for comparing different cameras. The case is very successful and complex and beautiful and is memorable for how it looks. If people watch your reviews, it can become something like a recognizable test.
You have to tweak the image in post differently. Now the A4 sky looks more dramatic but it can be achieved by using the right LUT and some tweaking in A5 too
If anyone complains the HDR being aggressive, they can always shoot in Log then export the sequence in RAW and batch process in lightroom, with a proper LUT or curves, to me ACT5 brings out the most of that 1" ccd and cinematic/darker tones can always be achieved by post
At 12:43 it appears the Action 5 shows more detail in your face but the lack of detail and contrast in the clouds makes the Action 4 visually more appealing!
@@EspenJohan Not fix it might in fact be 'better' already its slowly becoming more a 'what most people like' thing they would be better of providing multiple curves out of the box based on normal 10bit just like tv's do.
You make great videos on the specs of the various cameras - this is where anyone looking for honest reviews on action cameras and the like should come. Strangely, on the old bitrate Action 5, the Action 4 looked better to me. That all changed quite noticeably with the new firmware. DJI must be congratulated on rapidly responding to knowledgeable users' feedback.
while watching near the end of the video where you are walking along the path and go under some overhead lines , on the A4 the lines are smudged and soon disappear from view , if you watch the same part on the A5 you will see the wires are much more defined as lines and stay in view much longer after they disappear on the A4 , noticed I can se more detail on the A5 , a little tweaking still needed for the sky but I am happy with it .
Hi Espen, The Action 5 looks really great now. It is very obvious. At launch this wasn't the case. You were right to have faith in good firmware updates. Greetings.
Hi Maurits, I do think it look way better. Dji always deliver, the only thing they need to improve is the HDR overprocessing. Have a awesome sunday my friend😀
I think it should be possible to set the HDR intensity (because in my opinion it seems quite aggressive). Well, you can see the difference after increasing the bitrate. you made a great video :)
I haven't checked the files size, im gonna check that. Well it will probably get hotter, but for me that's not a issue. I do all filming outdoor in a colder climate. Thanks for watching 😀
I do agree in the clouds, dji will improve this with updates. D-Log M will give you more to work with yes, but im not sure you can fix the soft clouds. Thanks for watching😀
Agreed. Not sure I am seeing the big improvement on the Pro 5. Both still action camera quality which I don’t believe is any better than the Pocket 3 or a modern iPhone on an OM4/4/6.
Excellent video ! Johan, viewing your video in a calibrated 4k 10 bit oled display i prefer the action 4 by far .... there is a magenda tint on all action 5 footage and the skies have so much more detail and color gradations.. the skies look dull in action 5 even in DLOG M
Hi😀, there are things to improve on the OA5. HDR overprocessing is one of them, but I do think Dji will improve this camera over time. For me comments like this is why I do it, my videos are not polished. Real worls tests are the best. OA4 is still a fantastic camera and deliver better is some scenes than OA5. But still I have faith in Dji, and they will improve the camera. Thanks for watching😀
Simple. Question: is the sky better represented compared to real life by the action 4, or by the action 5? Without actually being there, we have no idea if the action four is simply over hdring /contrasting the sky versus the action 5.
Video quality/detail is much better with the higher bitrate. On par with the Action 4. However I much prefer the higher contrast tweaking done in camera on the Action 4! When you look at the clouds/blue sky in the 4 video and it's reflection on the water it is much more appealing to my eye and gives the impression of a higher quality video! The clouds/sky in all the Action 5 videos I've seen online and in my own Action 5 appear blurred and lack detail.
As others have noted, the sky looks more agreeable to the viewer with the Action 4. However, my sense is that with the higher bitrate of the Action 5 one could probably get the same look in post-production. One advantage of the Action 5 is that it's likely any further software updates on productions that come after the Action 5 will be available for the camera long after the Action 4 would be too old to update some future software. Thankfully, I have what I need and no longer have Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS)...LOL. So I'm ok with the equipment I currently use. But I will admit the night capture of the Action 5 makes it tempting.
@@johnsojourn9114 you are right, I was out yesterday and filmed with the ace pro vs OA5 and there you can see the same. Ace pro gives also a overprocessed sky effect. And its not real.
Thank you for the review. I'm a newbie to video, but I have the pocket 3 and I enjoy using it. I want a weatherproof friend for it now. The OA5 seems better at 'ground level', but it turned the sky to mush compared to the OA4. The 4 is also €110 cheaper now. I'll give the new Insta a look before I decide. The paralysis of choice.😊
Hi😀, not easy to decide. But I do think dji gonna fix the small issues on the OA5. The 4 is a excellent camera. Ace Pro 2 gonna be fun to see what they can deliver. Dji and Insta360 are fighting for the top👍. Thanks for watching 😀
I have the action 5 pro but didn't you noticed that the clouds are a whole mushy thing in your videos and in everyone's else's videos , and dji have to fix this big problem.
@@EspenJohanwith the action 5 do i have problems in high speed videos??i m asking because i have seen many reports and comments about the not excellent bitrate that refers many peoples….Thanks again….
Compression is a difficult subject its results are based on multiple factors bitrate is only one of them. The input signal (for example how much noise and rest movement after stable) the encoding setttings and bitrate all have effects. Its near impossible to compare the action4 and action5 from that and in the comments we already see most people talking about the color curves more than encoding. The action5 old/new does help and we can see that dji clearly lowered the bitrate (because of other changes) too much back so its nice to see them fix that but even there we don't really know what other settings they have changed. Now what looks nicer is a whole different issue and if dji wants people to be able to use it 'out of the box' they should provide more curves based on the 10bit normal (maybe add 3 more) next to the known/defined curves in log and hgl.
Hey man thx for this video and looking forward for a live together. In DLogM the action5 blows away the 4. Btw I love dji products... I just try my best to point out things that I don't like just maybe that will push dji to make even better things... Btw use what I mentionned in my battery test video to get that power handle for free hahaha
To be honest, I would pick the OA5 but the difference I can see is mainly in the slightly nicer and warmer colours. So it doesn't look like a major step up with this updated 'pro' version.
@@PierPeterVinylSound i would love to, man, trust me. but i'm just a starter and i'm no rich. that's why i'm doing my best for my channel. hopefully one day.
1. i think we cannot compare a4 with a5pro because of different hardware architecture 2. even old or new firmware, i think my eyes cannot see different on you tube as it compressed the image both old or new firmware already regards
For me - and it keeps shrinking me. I much prefer the video from the 4. The colours, deepness look way better on the 4. The 5 just looks kind of fragile and wiry. Keeping my 4 :D
The original firmware looks way worse than the OA4. The new firmware brings in more contrast and the background also seems less overexposed. The new firmware definitely looks better, but the skies are still messed up. The OA4 skies exhibit atrong HDR, but it has more pleasing colours. Seems like the OA4 is a better buy. I'd wait to see what they do with the OA6 next year. Meanwhile, I will just stick with the OA4. The adventure combo OA4 is cheaper than the OA5 standard combo atm.
So in my opinion nothing has improved at all. Except that the OA5 now overheats after 38 minutes of 4k60. It's a shame because the advantages were just hot air compared to the hero13. But RUclips isn't really a great comparison either. In the end, I took a picture yesterday on my monitor "4k 100%srgb", but it turned out just as sad for the OA5.
Hi😀, well we probably dont fully agree. But thats how it should be👍, we all like different things. OA5 need updates, but I do think dji is on the right track. They will fix the issues, the extreme HDR look is something I dont like. It work in some scenes, in some not. Thanks for watching 😀
tbh only you can tell if there is a difference, when we are watching this video, it has already been encoded two times, first by you and then by youtube.
Exactly why I’m perfectly fine with the standard bit rate. As a content creator, my viewers won’t notice, so why even bother. However, it’s good that we now how the option to choose between both standard and high.
For me the OA5 is a little better than OA4. Dji only need to improve HDR overprocessing. This firmware update is only in beta, so they will improve it more.
@@MattiaToniUfficiale Hi😀, well for me I like the image from OA5 more than OA4. But it all depends on what you're looking for. When I vlog, I like the picture from OA5 better, but it seems that OA4 has somewhat better detail in the highlights. But I think OA4 exaggerates it a bit compared to what is real
@@EspenJohan as you said in one video we have to many expectations from the action cameras 😊 DJI is a great camera. I am sorry about Go Pro. Now Insta and DJI even don’t think that Go Pro can be a concurrency for them. Go Pro has huge financial problems. I received few emails this week from them to encourage me to buy New Hero 13. I said pass since no change from 11 version. Greetings and all the best to you. Please check the Super Night mode in DJI with new firmware. Thanks
@@rafalmoravlog action cameras has come a long way, and dji and Insta360 are leading. Gopro is sadly done, the hero 13 is bad. Like you say nothing new since hero 11. Im gonna return my hero 13, thanks for watching 😀. Just subscribed to your channel👍
I also see both Espen and photorabz but except for low light the Action 4 is still performing better. Let’s see what Insta 360 Ace Pro 2 brings next week.
I can see no real difference in standard and high both look fine. Honestly moving that fast no set of eyes could honestly see the difference, so for me this is a placebo fix.
my opinion, OA4 still had more details, even after the OA5 update, especially in the sky. :( I also noticed this on someone else's test in a car, OA4 still beats the 5 Pro
If you are thinking about the Ace Pro 2, sorry to say I dont have it. Im not sure if im gonna buy it, need to sell something first. Thanks for watching😀
I was previously thinking I'd need to change up my OA3 of late . I'm not too fussed now . Why dji brought out such a sloppy new release is a surprise, And I've been a huge fan to date , owning two OA cams
I do think you can see a difference, high bitrate has better effect with moving objects. And I do think dji will improve it even more. Thanks for watching😀
IMO, the bitrate thing is a red herring. In most circumstances, it makes no difference. And DJI have clearly said that the new processor is much better at building images from a lower bitrate data stream. Bitrate isn't the be-all-and-end-all. Just as important is what the processor does with the data. The Action 5 was already clearly better than the Action 4. As for the Ace Pro 2, Insta360 will no doubt price it at about $499, same as the Ace Pro 1 when it released. That will make it 50% more expensive than the Action 5.
I do agree, bitrate dont always mean better image quality. But with fast moving activities you should see a difference. What dji need to focus on is the aggressive HDR look. But the OA5 is still the best action camera👍. Thanks for watching 😀
@@EspenJohanI was looking to get it but I think I ll wait for the ace pro 2 and once that is out I ll decide……obviously after I will see your side by side 😊👍
The cloud in the sky is the only issue in this software image at this time. I'm sure that software will correct this. I don't think that it's a camera problem
I think A4 skye much better, A5 colors are like seems unnatural, maybe next updates fix the color issues. Maybe it's not a problem according to DJI, I don't know.
I believe DJI is experiencing major issues with their quality control team. Any upgrade, such as moving from the OA4 to the OA5, should show significant improvements over the previous version, but it appears to be the opposite. Also the HDR effect is noticeably present and shouldn't be enabled as a default option.
Hi😀, when companies launch new cameras every year the update is small. They should propably wait and do it every second year. Well I do think there are improvement on the OA5 over the OA4, but they still have some stuff to fix. HDR overprocessing is one of them. Thanks for watching😀
the magenta tint and awful processing of the clouds on the action 5 looks way worse than the 4! the skin tones and sweater details are way better on the 4 too. can't keep waiting on FW updates for this new version to get out of beta testing. :P
The OA4 has better details in the sky, this is something dji will fix. But overall I like the image from OA5. Better colors, look in the beginning when im setting in the car. There you can see OA5 gives a better image. But I do agree, there are some things to improve👍. Thanks for watching😀
I see what you mean, Dji need to do something about that. It struggle in the highlights. I think overall if you see on me in that footage, I look a little better and clearer. But they need to to something. Could be HDR that make the sky strange looking.
Action 4 is bit darker but has better sharpness and details.Not just sky that look more natural but your skin as well.Colors on Action 5 are somehow washed out, overexposed.
@@EspenJohan You called it HUGE upgrade..but where? Does 5-10 extra megabits/sec makes such a different in your opinion? I just don't see any difference (and I'm not the only one). Sorry
@@Wave_Drop well its much more than that. But we all have different opinions. At the same time, you now have the option to change the bitrate. Is in my opinion a big upgrade. Thanks for watching😀
LOL this looks awful . So much blockiness and artefacting even with the "high bitrate". It has no difference. DJI Action 5 is such a letdown. I'm returning mine and I'll stay with the Action 4 for now.
Thanks for your comparison videos, Espen. It’s a joy to see, what the different cameras are capable of. Regarding OA4 vs OA5 I still think, the colors of the OA4 look more natural and pleasing, the sky/clouds also look better. However the dynamic range seems better on OA5. I still wait for ace pro 2 and stick with my OA4. ✌️
Hi😀, im glad you like my videos. For me the OA5 looks better now after the newest update, there are things they need to improve HDR overprocessing is to much. OA4 is still a fantastic camera and you probably dont see that much difference. Ace Pro 2 will be interesting, not sure if im gonna get it. Need to sell something first. Thanks for watching😀
@@SuperMilo79 the action 4 has a yellowish/green tint added to it which is more pleasing to some people, but as far as colour accuracy goes, the action 5 shoots more natural colours.
@@EspenJohan i hope they do. i wanna get the OA5 but i dont like the new HDR too bright the colors are not so good. and the OA4 has a adventure vlog combo at 448$ idk what to get. so confused.
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Thanks for all your effort you put in to this video!
Looks like the action 4 has more deep color and more structure
Maybe Next time try to film at 60 p for fast moving videos
I really really liked the music you Choose ❤
Hi 😀, thanks for the nice comment. I still have a lot of videos to make. Have a nice day 😀
Even with RUclips's compression, the improvement is noticable.
They still need to make improvements on the HDR overprocessing and super night but its now starting to look like an actual improved camera from the action 4
Yeah I do thinks it look way better, and yes they need to improve the HDR overprocessing. Thanks for watching😀
I plan on buying this camera for the 1st time. Since I have the Mavic 3, I'm all in on DJI.
It can only get better, in my opinion. The 5 is sharper, and for the money, if you don't have the 4, get the 5.
@@technodronesogxl9783 it's excellent and dji always improve the cameras with update.
Let me express a few thoughts about your test. Firstly, the side-scrolling test should have been done at 60 fps, at 30 it is impossible to see anything, everything just twitches and strobes. Secondly, RUclips itself has a bitrate of no more than 50 megabits in 4K, so it is almost impossible to see the difference. You needed to make playback on your computer screen, make freeze frames and crop some area for demonstration. In general, the quality of Action 5 looks preferable, but not because of the bitrate, but more correct color and dynamic range.
Thanks for your opinion👍, good points.
@@EspenJohan By the way, a very good test for bitrate and compression as such is moving water , sand texture and green forest with small details in the same frame at 16:30. And also beautiful. I was once in Norway, the nature there is simply magical. This is a great place to use as a reference for comparing different cameras. The case is very successful and complex and beautiful and is memorable for how it looks. If people watch your reviews, it can become something like a recognizable test.
@@diAx007 Hi, im glad you like it. And yes the nature is beautiful Thanks again😀
You have to tweak the image in post differently. Now the A4 sky looks more dramatic but it can be achieved by using the right LUT and some tweaking in A5 too
The point here was to do none tweaking, same setting on both. But I do agree some adjustment can be done. Thanks for watching
If anyone complains the HDR being aggressive, they can always shoot in Log then export the sequence in RAW and batch process in lightroom, with a proper LUT or curves, to me ACT5 brings out the most of that 1" ccd and cinematic/darker tones can always be achieved by post
Yes you are right👍, thanks for watching 😀
At 12:43 it appears the Action 5 shows more detail in your face but the lack of detail and contrast in the clouds makes the Action 4 visually more appealing!
I do agree, but I think dji will fix this with updates. Thanks for watching 😀
7:21 THE DIFFERENCE IN SKY MAKES ME FEEL THAT I SHOULD BUY DJI ACTION 4
Yeah there are a big difference in the sky. This is something dji need to fix with a update.
Srsly, you like this HDR crap? Same for 7:59 where OA4 sky and clouds looks like abstract painting with only 4 colours.
this drama effect on version 4 doesn't look like a real sky at all
Wouldn't using better ISO settings or ND filters and other adjustments in post make the sky look better?
@@EspenJohan Not fix it might in fact be 'better' already its slowly becoming more a 'what most people like' thing they would be better of providing multiple curves out of the box based on normal 10bit just like tv's do.
You make great videos on the specs of the various cameras - this is where anyone looking for honest reviews on action cameras and the like should come. Strangely, on the old bitrate Action 5, the Action 4 looked better to me. That all changed quite noticeably with the new firmware. DJI must be congratulated on rapidly responding to knowledgeable users' feedback.
Hi Mike, they are both excellent cameras. Dji is always improving their cameras and thats the reason I buy them. Thanks for watching 😀
while watching near the end of the video where you are walking along the path and go under some overhead lines , on the A4 the lines are smudged and soon disappear from view , if you watch the same part on the A5 you will see the wires are much more defined as lines and stay in view much longer after they disappear on the A4 , noticed I can se more detail on the A5 , a little tweaking still needed for the sky but I am happy with it .
Yeah the OA5 deliver more clarity and better colors. The sky need to be fixed, thats something dji can do with a update. I hope🤔, thanks for watching😀
Hi Espen,
The Action 5 looks really great now. It is very obvious. At launch this wasn't the case. You were right to have faith in good firmware updates.
Greetings.
Hi Maurits, I do think it look way better. Dji always deliver, the only thing they need to improve is the HDR overprocessing. Have a awesome sunday my friend😀
mauritius - didn`t you see that sky at 7:21 ano so on?
@@quazar912 I do agree, but dji can fix this.
Why no one uploads in 60fps?
Thats a good question, I usually film in 30 fps. But im gonna do a test👍
I think it should be possible to set the HDR intensity (because in my opinion it seems quite aggressive). Well, you can see the difference after increasing the bitrate. you made a great video :)
Yeah I hope we can see that in a update. There are a difference, and dji has done a good job. Thanks for watching 😀
Loved the music. Thanks for the detailed review and comparison! I think now it's safe to buy it ;)
Thank you😀, its good. Dji need to improve some small issues. But they will👍
@@EspenJohan like what?
How much bigger are the files now, and does it get hotter, faster? You'd think it would.
I haven't checked the files size, im gonna check that. Well it will probably get hotter, but for me that's not a issue. I do all filming outdoor in a colder climate. Thanks for watching 😀
OM4 - amazing ( natural , real )
OM5 - HDR ( fail ) ( with a lot of digital sharp )
Thank you for this test ! :)
Thank you for watching😀, Dji has some more tweaking to do on the OA5. But im sure they will fix it, HDR processing is to much.
while testing side by side do you use both camera's in verticle angle?
No I didn't, all horizontal. 16:9.
Even after cropping the video looks good. Do you think if used in vertical mode, the fov will be the same? Or more? For posting on instagram
BUT IN SETTINGS IT SAYS THAT ONLY THE HIGH BIT RATE IS AVAILABLE IN SUPER NIGHT AND SLOW MOTION. DOES IT APPLY FOR THE NORMAL VIDEO??
Yes it is in normal video also👍
@@EspenJohan oh great, thank you
The clouds are way too soft on Osmo action 5 and they have way less details. Do you think it can be fixed when filming in dlog/hlog?
I do agree in the clouds, dji will improve this with updates. D-Log M will give you more to work with yes, but im not sure you can fix the soft clouds. Thanks for watching😀
@@EspenJohan OK thank you for the quick response!
i didn't see the firmware upgrade on the app. how to update it manuall?
Im not sure you can do it manual, make sure you have the latest version of the app. Go to your profile and there should be a about tab. Press that👍
In terms of video quality, I like 5 better, but the sky is more interesting in 4.
OA5 is better, but I do agree on the sky. Dji has some bugs to fix.
Meens not 5 pro is better
Agreed. Not sure I am seeing the big improvement on the Pro 5. Both still action camera quality which I don’t believe is any better than the Pocket 3 or a modern iPhone on an OM4/4/6.
so true
Yeah but I think with the OA4 that's not actually how the sky looks irl! I think the sky on the OA5pro looks realistic.
Do you always think it is better to use d log m and grade it with the official dji lut rather than using normal 10 bit?
Yes use d log M it's way better 👍
Thanks for the comparison. Still think the 4 looks much more natural. The 5 ihas a overprocessed hdr look.
Dji will fix this with update, thanks for watching 😀
Great comparison I still think the action 4 still has a good look a darker look, but I’m all in on the action 5 I just sold my action 4. 😮
Thanks Scott, dji has to improve the OA5 and they will. Still some issues with it.
For an indoor recording of a sport at 4k 60 fps, would you recommend higher or lower bitrate?
High activities, high bitrate 👍
It would be great if you could do the comparison between Standard and High bitrate on AO5Pro
I will fo that 😀
great review!
Thank you 😀
Good video! But still not sold on getting the Action 5 Pro. Will keep my Action 4 for now, let me hope more firmware updates come through soon! 🤩
Hi😀, im sure they will update it👍
Excellent video ! Johan, viewing your video in a calibrated 4k 10 bit oled display i prefer the action 4 by far .... there is a magenda tint on all action 5 footage and the skies have so much more detail and color gradations.. the skies look dull in action 5 even in DLOG M
Hi😀, there are things to improve on the OA5. HDR overprocessing is one of them, but I do think Dji will improve this camera over time. For me comments like this is why I do it, my videos are not polished. Real worls tests are the best. OA4 is still a fantastic camera and deliver better is some scenes than OA5. But still I have faith in Dji, and they will improve the camera. Thanks for watching😀
Were other settings the same? The colors look totally different between 4 and 5!
All the same, WB 5500, shapness -2. Rest in auto.
My camera, while recording a clip, the screen dims every 10 seconds 3 times. Please tell me how to fix it.
Yeah it do, it's battery saving . Tap the screen to wake it up.
@@EspenJohan Ok,When not recording, the screen does not dim.
When not recording, the screen does not dim, but when recording, it dims. I don't like it at all.
@@gafiews I seen other say this, dji will fix that. Im sure.
@@EspenJohan OK
Simple. Question: is the sky better represented compared to real life by the action 4, or by the action 5? Without actually being there, we have no idea if the action four is simply over hdring /contrasting the sky versus the action 5.
Thats a really good question 👍, the sky in real life is closer to the A5 than A4.
@@EspenJohan That's what I was suspecting...hmmm....
@@TimBrownTown And yesterday I was out recording with my ace pro vs A5. And the same Ace pro has a overprocessed sky effect. And its not real.
@@EspenJohan That was going to be my next question. Thank you!
Video quality/detail is much better with the higher bitrate. On par with the Action 4. However I much prefer the higher contrast tweaking done in camera on the Action 4! When you look at the clouds/blue sky in the 4 video and it's reflection on the water it is much more appealing to my eye and gives the impression of a higher quality video! The clouds/sky in all the Action 5 videos I've seen online and in my own Action 5 appear blurred and lack detail.
Im sure dji will fix this with updates, and I do agree with you. Thanks for watching 😀
As others have noted, the sky looks more agreeable to the viewer with the Action 4. However, my sense is that with the higher bitrate of the Action 5 one could probably get the same look in post-production. One advantage of the Action 5 is that it's likely any further software updates on productions that come after the Action 5 will be available for the camera long after the Action 4 would be too old to update some future software. Thankfully, I have what I need and no longer have Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS)...LOL. So I'm ok with the equipment I currently use. But I will admit the night capture of the Action 5 makes it tempting.
Hi my friend😀, I do agree with the sky on the A4 looks better. I used the same setting on both. Dji will fix this with updates 👍
Yes the fake overprocessed sky effect on the OA4 looks pretty. But that's not realistic.
@@johnsojourn9114 you are right, I was out yesterday and filmed with the ace pro vs OA5 and there you can see the same. Ace pro gives also a overprocessed sky effect. And its not real.
Thank you for the review.
I'm a newbie to video, but I have the pocket 3 and I enjoy using it. I want a weatherproof friend for it now. The OA5 seems better at 'ground level', but it turned the sky to mush compared to the OA4. The 4 is also €110 cheaper now.
I'll give the new Insta a look before I decide.
The paralysis of choice.😊
Hi😀, not easy to decide. But I do think dji gonna fix the small issues on the OA5. The 4 is a excellent camera. Ace Pro 2 gonna be fun to see what they can deliver. Dji and Insta360 are fighting for the top👍. Thanks for watching 😀
But for the first time buyer is the GoPro 13 good?
Dont buy Gopro, action 4 or 5. Maybe Ace pro.
@@EspenJohan thanks
I have the action 5 pro but didn't you noticed that the clouds are a whole mushy thing in your videos and in everyone's else's videos , and dji have to fix this big problem.
Dji will fix it, I think dji is testing this update and than correct it👍
For videos on my helmet or on my motorbikes, which i have to choose 4 or 5??Excellent video!!Many thas fron Greece..
Action 5 is better, but the action 4 is good too.
@@EspenJohanwith the action 5 do i have problems in high speed videos??i m asking because i have seen many reports and comments about the not excellent bitrate that refers many peoples….Thanks again….
@@akisanast bitrate is not a issue anymore. Not for me😀
So, in terms of pure image quality, GoPro is still better right?
No I dont think so, thanks for watching 😀
Hello Espen, thanks for your work very helpful! What about battery time with this new firmware? thanks 🙏
Hi😀, thats a test I need to do. Thanks for watching 😀
Compression is a difficult subject its results are based on multiple factors bitrate is only one of them. The input signal (for example how much noise and rest movement after stable) the encoding setttings and bitrate all have effects. Its near impossible to compare the action4 and action5 from that and in the comments we already see most people talking about the color curves more than encoding. The action5 old/new does help and we can see that dji clearly lowered the bitrate (because of other changes) too much back so its nice to see them fix that but even there we don't really know what other settings they have changed. Now what looks nicer is a whole different issue and if dji wants people to be able to use it 'out of the box' they should provide more curves based on the 10bit normal (maybe add 3 more) next to the known/defined curves in log and hgl.
This was interesting to read, you obviously know what you're talking about. Thanks for watching😀
Hey man thx for this video and looking forward for a live together. In DLogM the action5 blows away the 4.
Btw I love dji products... I just try my best to point out things that I don't like just maybe that will push dji to make even better things... Btw use what I mentionned in my battery test video to get that power handle for free hahaha
Gonna be really fun to do a live👍. It's so fun that dji and Insta360 are fighting to get the top in the action camera marked. Thanks for watching 😀
To be honest, I would pick the OA5 but the difference I can see is mainly in the slightly nicer and warmer colours. So it doesn't look like a major step up with this updated 'pro' version.
OA5 is a winner for me too👍, thanks for watching😀
the update is perfect for me. i don't care about the sky for now because with my vlog what's important is the people i spoke to not the sky 🤣
Yeah😀
So buy a vlogging camera, not an action.
@@PierPeterVinylSound i would love to, man, trust me. but i'm just a starter and i'm no rich. that's why i'm doing my best for my channel. hopefully one day.
@@MaxCorner11 You have excellent cameras for cheaper
@@PierPeterVinylSound i will try to check. thank you for your suggestion. i really appreciate it.
1. i think we cannot compare a4 with a5pro because of different hardware architecture
2. even old or new firmware, i think my eyes cannot see different on you tube as it compressed the image both old or new firmware already
regards
You are right, hardware is different. But to compare them you can, just to show that the OA5 is a upgrade.
Minute 6:45 less detail on the road from 5 no?
For me it looks just that OA4 and more contrast. its more or less the same.
@@EspenJohan yup something like that. Or shadows overexposed on 5
OA4 looks much more better, more natural and 3D feel, because of better contrast and no fake hdr look, like OA5... for me. Great video :)
Dji need to fix this with a update👍
You may do Log and then make skies as you wish
@@AntonTheRunner that can be possible👍, thanks for watching 😀
Great video
Thank you 😀
For me - and it keeps shrinking me. I much prefer the video from the 4. The colours, deepness look way better on the 4. The 5 just looks kind of fragile and wiry. Keeping my 4 :D
The A4 is a great camera👍
There is no decernable differences to most people watching on the phone
Yeah you could be right👍
How does anyone spot propery after its comoressed to youtube?
It's not easy to see, but you can. All depend on the scenery and activiti.
The original firmware looks way worse than the OA4. The new firmware brings in more contrast and the background also seems less overexposed. The new firmware definitely looks better, but the skies are still messed up. The OA4 skies exhibit atrong HDR, but it has more pleasing colours. Seems like the OA4 is a better buy. I'd wait to see what they do with the OA6 next year. Meanwhile, I will just stick with the OA4. The adventure combo OA4 is cheaper than the OA5 standard combo atm.
I do agree at the same time dji will fix this with updates. Thanks for watching 😀
So in my opinion nothing has improved at all. Except that the OA5 now overheats after 38 minutes of 4k60. It's a shame because the advantages were just hot air compared to the hero13.
But RUclips isn't really a great comparison either. In the end, I took a picture yesterday on my monitor "4k 100%srgb", but it turned out just as sad for the OA5.
Hi😀, well we probably dont fully agree. But thats how it should be👍, we all like different things. OA5 need updates, but I do think dji is on the right track. They will fix the issues, the extreme HDR look is something I dont like. It work in some scenes, in some not. Thanks for watching 😀
Seems like the Action 5 had a ND filter on... If so it would be better to remove fir comparisons...
No ND filter, it has a different sharper look. But I like it, thanks for watching 😀
Ace pro 2 , realeased tomorrow 😮
Yes👍😀
tbh only you can tell if there is a difference, when we are watching this video, it has already been encoded two times, first by you and then by youtube.
I see what you mean, but it still looks better. I only hope Dji can give us a option to turn on and off HDR.
Exactly why I’m perfectly fine with the standard bit rate. As a content creator, my viewers won’t notice, so why even bother. However, it’s good that we now how the option to choose between both standard and high.
Which one to take out of the two 😮
For me the OA5 is a little better than OA4. Dji only need to improve HDR overprocessing. This firmware update is only in beta, so they will improve it more.
For some reason Action 4 looks more pleasing...
Action 4 looks good and has a softer look.
Action 4 has the win for me
It's good👍
@@EspenJohan what's your favourite?
@@MattiaToniUfficiale Hi😀, well for me I like the image from OA5 more than OA4. But it all depends on what you're looking for. When I vlog, I like the picture from OA5 better, but it seems that OA4 has somewhat better detail in the highlights. But I think OA4 exaggerates it a bit compared to what is real
@@EspenJohan thank you! Always great video my friend! Keep it up 💪🏻
It looks good even in standard bitrate...
It do😀
The picture of the Action 4 is better.
In some scenes I do agree, but when you vlog OA5 is better. But thats my opinion. Thanks for watching 😀
Hi Espen. I also watch photorabz. I can see a huge difference with new firmware update. Greetings and thank you for your great work 😊
Hi😀, there are improvements. Still they have some things to improve, like HDR overprocessing. Its to much. Thanks for watching😀
@@EspenJohan as you said in one video we have to many expectations from the action cameras 😊 DJI is a great camera. I am sorry about Go Pro. Now Insta and DJI even don’t think that Go Pro can be a concurrency for them. Go Pro has huge financial problems. I received few emails this week from them to encourage me to buy New Hero 13. I said pass since no change from 11 version. Greetings and all the best to you. Please check the Super Night mode in DJI with new firmware. Thanks
@@rafalmoravlog action cameras has come a long way, and dji and Insta360 are leading. Gopro is sadly done, the hero 13 is bad. Like you say nothing new since hero 11. Im gonna return my hero 13, thanks for watching 😀. Just subscribed to your channel👍
I also see both Espen and photorabz but except for low light the Action 4 is still performing better. Let’s see what Insta 360 Ace Pro 2 brings next week.
@@DanF2767 Hi😀, thanks for watching. They both deliver, dji will update the OA5 and make it better. I have faith in dji👍
I can see no real difference in standard and high both look fine. Honestly moving that fast no set of eyes could honestly see the difference, so for me this is a placebo fix.
I can see a difference in colors and clarity. Not huge, but better 👍
my opinion, OA4 still had more details, even after the OA5 update, especially in the sky. :(
I also noticed this on someone else's test in a car, OA4 still beats the 5 Pro
Yeah👍
If video quality is most important to you get an ace pro then. Even with 8bit ace pro gen1 produces better quality videos, compare to action5.
Ace pro is great 👍
Vivement mardi pour que tu nous fasses rêver...
If you are thinking about the Ace Pro 2, sorry to say I dont have it. Im not sure if im gonna buy it, need to sell something first. Thanks for watching😀
DJI is doing a good job, but I still prefer Ace Pro 1 footage. This is my opinion.
Dji is good and also Ace pro, gonna be a fun fight between them👍. Thanks for watching 😀
I was previously thinking I'd need to change up my OA3 of late . I'm not too fussed now . Why dji brought out such a sloppy new release is a surprise, And I've been a huge fan to date , owning two OA cams
It will get better, dji will improve it with updates👍
still has that fake plastic look compared to the richness of OA4 imagery in the daylight scenario 😅
night scenes are much better now ❤
Yeah there still things to fix👍, but they will.
Did the update today, no differance, no improvement in the picture.
I do think you can see a difference, high bitrate has better effect with moving objects. And I do think dji will improve it even more. Thanks for watching😀
@@EspenJohan Then you have a special DJI influencer firmware?
@@EspenJohan i think all difference is only on D-Log 10 bit for post-processing video. In other modes no visual difference
IMO, the bitrate thing is a red herring. In most circumstances, it makes no difference. And DJI have clearly said that the new processor is much better at building images from a lower bitrate data stream. Bitrate isn't the be-all-and-end-all. Just as important is what the processor does with the data. The Action 5 was already clearly better than the Action 4. As for the Ace Pro 2, Insta360 will no doubt price it at about $499, same as the Ace Pro 1 when it released. That will make it 50% more expensive than the Action 5.
I do agree, bitrate dont always mean better image quality. But with fast moving activities you should see a difference. What dji need to focus on is the aggressive HDR look. But the OA5 is still the best action camera👍. Thanks for watching 😀
2:50 it's crazy how the OA4 had a very natural sky, and the OA5 messes with it to become a flat color tone! So weird!
Dji needs to fix it, im sure they working on a firmware
@@EspenJohan How many updates needs 5 to be fixed? The price needs to be fixed for the waiting.
I agree
Somwhat is the deal with the sky on the new 5 pro? The clouds just get washed into a purple blue mist…….
Im sure a update will come
@@EspenJohanI was looking to get it but I think I ll wait for the ace pro 2 and once that is out I ll decide……obviously after I will see your side by side 😊👍
@@seb1things1 could be smart to wait. Maybe I will get it, im not sure.
The cloud in the sky is the only issue in this software image at this time. I'm sure that software will correct this. I don't think that it's a camera problem
@@technodronesogxl9783 yeah, they will fix it with updates.
I think A4 skye much better, A5 colors are like seems unnatural, maybe next updates fix the color issues.
Maybe it's not a problem according to DJI, I don't know.
They will fix it with updates, im sure, thanks for watching😀
@@EspenJohan Thanks for nicely done review and A5 picture much more sharp from A4 :)
I believe DJI is experiencing major issues with their quality control team. Any upgrade, such as moving from the OA4 to the OA5, should show significant improvements over the previous version, but it appears to be the opposite.
Also the HDR effect is noticeably present and shouldn't be enabled as a default option.
Hi😀, when companies launch new cameras every year the update is small. They should propably wait and do it every second year. Well I do think there are improvement on the OA5 over the OA4, but they still have some stuff to fix. HDR overprocessing is one of them. Thanks for watching😀
I like the 4
It's good 👍
the magenta tint and awful processing of the clouds on the action 5 looks way worse than the 4! the skin tones and sweater details are way better on the 4 too. can't keep waiting on FW updates for this new version to get out of beta testing. :P
I do see what you mean, but the action 5 has more realistic look than A4 and also Ace pro. Im sure they will fix some issues with a update👍😀
the 5 looks like a kid drew with a box of crayons but a friend ate the pretty colored ones.
4 all the way.
Thats a good comment 🤣, but I do think dji will fix it with updates. It's more or less the same hardware. Thanks for watching 😀
12:29
The OA4 has better details in the sky, this is something dji will fix. But overall I like the image from OA5. Better colors, look in the beginning when im setting in the car. There you can see OA5 gives a better image. But I do agree, there are some things to improve👍. Thanks for watching😀
But what about the Skys at about 9:24.
The Sky from the OM 4 has much more structure than the OM 5.
Is there a conclusion?
I see what you mean, Dji need to do something about that. It struggle in the highlights. I think overall if you see on me in that footage, I look a little better and clearer. But they need to to something. Could be HDR that make the sky strange looking.
@@EspenJohan YES AGREED!!!
Interesting, but still beter acepro. And 22th come acepro2 the real pro cam😅
Ace pro is a great camera👍
look at the video and the clouds appear much much better on OA 4 then on OA 5.
I do agree, dji has some bugs to fix. But they will👍
Action 4 is bit darker but has better sharpness and details.Not just sky that look more natural but your skin as well.Colors on Action 5 are somehow washed out, overexposed.
For me the A5 is a little better, but it's close. Dji will improve it im sure👍
I think we all agree that the main difference is NO different!
Well I dont agree, and im sure they will improve it👍
@@EspenJohan You called it HUGE upgrade..but where? Does 5-10 extra megabits/sec makes such a different in your opinion? I just don't see any difference (and I'm not the only one). Sorry
@@Wave_Drop well its much more than that. But we all have different opinions. At the same time, you now have the option to change the bitrate. Is in my opinion a big upgrade. Thanks for watching😀
@@EspenJohan 🤡🤡
All my videos on youtube shot by iPhone
Thats great 👍, iphone is good
4:36 AC5 loses detail of the plane
LOL this looks awful . So much blockiness and artefacting even with the "high bitrate". It has no difference. DJI Action 5 is such a letdown. I'm returning mine and I'll stay with the Action 4 for now.
I like it😀, thanks for watching 👍
Still not high enough. Maybe it's a hardware limitation.
That could be🤔, thanks for watching.
Just tested this on a FPV drone! Video is out on my channel if interested!
Hi Frank, just watch your video. Great test and you got a new subscriber.
And then...what bit rate do you render to RUclips out at. This whole argument is all a bit pointless.
Thats a good question, well if I remember max out at 80. You think it's pointless, I don't.
Call it Pro is simply cheatin' marketing.
I dont think so, we all can have different opinions 👍
@@EspenJohan Of course, 10´99 is not 11.
Action 4 looks better in every angle
Already action 4 was cartoonish in terms of sky now action 5 has become pure comic and artificial
We all have different preferences👍
@@EspenJohan it will be a best action cam, if this is rectified
I think new cameras are so bad compared to old cameras
Old cameras are good👍
3rd 🙂
Thank you😀
action 4 have better color
It's good👍
First❤
Thanks👍
Its still look bad.
You think so 🤔
Thanks for your comparison videos, Espen. It’s a joy to see, what the different cameras are capable of. Regarding OA4 vs OA5 I still think, the colors of the OA4 look more natural and pleasing, the sky/clouds also look better. However the dynamic range seems better on OA5. I still wait for ace pro 2 and stick with my OA4. ✌️
Hi😀, im glad you like my videos. For me the OA5 looks better now after the newest update, there are things they need to improve HDR overprocessing is to much. OA4 is still a fantastic camera and you probably dont see that much difference. Ace Pro 2 will be interesting, not sure if im gonna get it. Need to sell something first. Thanks for watching😀
@@SuperMilo79 the action 4 has a yellowish/green tint added to it which is more pleasing to some people, but as far as colour accuracy goes, the action 5 shoots more natural colours.
why do i feel that the action 4 has a good video quality.
more natural compared to the 5
They are both excellent, dji has some small bugs to fix on the OA5. And im sure they will👍. Thanks for watching 😀
@@EspenJohan i hope they do. i wanna get the OA5 but i dont like the new HDR too bright the colors are not so good.
and the OA4 has a adventure vlog combo at 448$ idk what to get. so confused.
Footage still sucks... Skype Looks still Looks like cartoon 😂. And Halo arround trees😂
I dont think it sucks, but thanks for watching😀
For an indoor recording of a sport at 4k 60 fps, would you recommend higher or lower bitrate?
Thats a good question, never just my camera indoor. But for fast moving activities, use high bitrate.