Behringer MS-5 vs Roland SH-5! A deeper Comparison.
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Here is my comparison Video about the Original Roland SH-5 vs the Behringer MS-5. Did Behringer do the Job? Find out and have fun. The Intro and Outro Song is only made with the SH-5 and the MS-5.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:36 Title Track (only made with MS5 & SH5)
00:01:20 Epilogue
00:02:46 Sound Examples
00:10:41 MS-5 vs. SH-5 comparison (short)
00:12:25 recreate sound with the Original SH-5
00:15:24 Oscullators
00:19:11 Sync
00:22:20 Ringmodulator
00:26:18 VCF (LPF, BPF & HPF)
00:37:58 Band Pass Filter
00:44:18 External Input
00:46:20 Controllers, LFO´s and Sample & Hold
00:53:49 Conclusion
00:56:19 Teenage Love - excerpt (only made with MS5 & SH5) you will find the original song from dkdent - teenage love (CD could be ordered by me, or streaming. produced and mixed by Bob Kraushaar)
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Used Equipment: Apple iPhone 14 Pro Max, Sony ZV-1, Sony ECM-W2BT, Universal Audio Apollo Twin Solo, Steinberg Cubase 13 and Final Cut Pro X 
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When doing sound comparisons you shouldn’t go based solely on knob position. Just changed controls until it sounds identical. Parts tolerance and aging play effect
Very detailed comparison. Well done, mate!
Thanks a lot, Marcus!
Hey Dirk! I loved this - such amazing music in your sound examples section!
Thank you very much!
Great video Dirk. You really give a clear demonstration of the differences and the similarities. It’s sounds great!
Thank you very much. I´m flattered
Wow! These are both amazing synthesizers. There are some significant differences, but none that would deter me from buying the MS-5. Thank you for this comparison video, one of the best I have seen.
Thank you very much. It was a lot of fun
Very good review and comparison! I worked on the MS-5 prototype until Covid shut my workshop down. The MS-5 does use modern capacitors in the filters (ceramic rater than mylar) which can explain some of the differences. The Ring Mod sounds like it needs recalibrating. I will be releasing a set of 200 vintage patches for the MS-5 soon...
Thank you for your amazing work bringing not only this, but a whole load of vintage synths and modules back to life.
You, Sir, are suberb!
Nice ! 👍🏻 The sound of this synth and your style reminded me of Grauzone Band ! Thanks for sharing
Well he did play eisbar
@@LlewynDaviesTheThird… I believe they used a Promars… the original SH 5 sounded closer
First visit to your channel, I must compliment your intro music, it's a banger!
Thank you very much. I´m flattered!
That was a well made comparison. Subscribed immediately.
Dankeschön!
I've subscribed to your channel as soon as I saw your Chris&Cosey t-shirt! Respect! 💙🤟💙
thanks a lot. together with Techno Primitiv is Songs of Love & Lust my favorit C&C Album
@@knobsswitches great job with your demo...sorry I forgot to wrote that! I love their LIbrary of Sound series!
GRAUZONE!!!!!!!!
Well done, sir.
(Cheers from Dallas, Texas!)
Cheers from Düsseldorf, NRW
Thanks - this made me get my Roland SH-3A out for a jam.
My pleasure! It´s an exciting synth, too!
Great comparison video. I do hear the difference. The SH-5 has a lot more bite and grittier than the MS-5. It won't stop me from buying the MS-5. It will definitely join my Behringer collection of synths.
Yes, the ms5 convinced me more than the mono/poly. and the mono/poly was already good
If someone can get away with recording an entire album on the original Mbox, Marshall MXL mic, and the stock sounds from FL Studio 5 (and they did) and sell 10 million records, then no one will notice the difference between the Roland and the Behringer...
It’s frustrating that they make clones of keyboard instruments with less keys than the originals. You literally cannot play them the same.
Toller Vergleich. Danke.
Prima. Lieben Dank!
sounds bloomin good
Yes, it’s a good synthesizer (both)!
I am devastated by the lack of Tolex.
Yep, more Tolex would be cool!
Sounds amazing!
I´m flattered!
Sounds great 🖐
What are you using to secure your guitar pedals next to your synths like that ?
very cool ❤
Nice job!
Thanks a lot!
very nice video!
thanks a lot!
I have a distinct and WONDERFUL advantage over you, Sir: OLD, sort of defective EARS. RESULT: the TWO sound SPOT ON IDENTICAL. WOW! What VALUE FOR MONEY!!
Nice demo. Thanks. I'm hoping they release a module only version as that would pair nice with my Roland System 100 101 keyboard
Schönes Video! Eisbär geht immer :D Der Behringer klingt bissl anders aber immer noch sehr geil. Grad auch für EBM sehr nutzbar.
I sold my SH5 in 1994 for $650 Australian dollars, hanging for the MS5 to hit our shores.
Great video.
Thank you very much
Have seen how much they go for now?
@@arthurcrime yes, on reverb was one in Canada and one in Australia . Both over 6000€ plus tax, if I order in Germany :-(
Calibrating the filters can be found on the underside of the synth. You don't need to open it up to access. Just push the synth section to be upright and you'll see a bunch of screw access holes on the panel. Seems there are 24 adjustment options, so maybe some of the characteristics differences can be honed to be more similar with some tweaking.
Glad to have an SH-5. The MS is fine if you just need a monosynth but it doesn’t have anywhere near the character of the OG Roland
Way to blow my speakers at the start, dude.
I know right I had to reach for the volume knob on my interface really quickly..
yes, sorry guys. that was probably a bit to much gain ;-)
Thank you sir! 😊
I´s my pleasure!
Sawtooth on the roland is splashy, but what do you expect, it's 50.
Great content!
Thanks a lot!
Super Vergleich! Danke für die Mühe. Ich habe den MS-5 selbst privat bei einem Freund mit seinem SH-5 verglichen und das deckt sich mit meinen Eindrücken.
Danke! und Danke für den Tip mit dem GATE Out in Trigger in um den AR anzuschieben ;-)
What a beauty!
The Original or the MS5? ;-)
Awesome stuff1 Seems like the MS-5 certainly is in the same ballpark. Personally I don't care if the same settings result in slightly different sounds, the more important thing is that they can sound similar, whatever the settings of the knobs are. So I'll settle for the MS-5 for 599, as trying to get a real SH-5 is near impossible and the prices are astronomical. I also like the small form of the MS-5 better.
Lovd the tunes you made too.. some really nice stuff there!
To be fair the same settings on several original SH05s also sound different so ..........
I think the original sounded better in every sound.
@payt01 I see it exactly the same way
Yo I love your chris and cosey shirt!!
thanks a lot!
also the band pass filter section is the perfect example of the thing i can’t put my finger on with all behringer clones. You can clearly hear this difference in power depth and warmth when you try to get those tight envelopes the behringer just sounds thin in that area and i feel that with all the clones so far. they’re sooooo close tho
Love what’s going on at around 7:30
Thanks a lot!
Gut gemacht! Für mich klingt der Behringer ähnlich genug. I've had an interest in the SH-5 for a LONG time. This might scratch that itch close enough.
Interesting comparison. Do both VCF have the same slope? It appears as if the SH5 has a less steep slope.
As always, there is no information on the Behringer website other than the Quick Manual. Both Synths should actually have a 24db multimode filter
Der Sound ist einfach besonders👍
Ja, ist wirklich eigen und bei keinem anderen Roland zu finden
5sec and you hear the difference in sound quality
nice grauzoneee jam haha
The MS-5 might be the only B synth to ever pique my interest in sound alone. At 20:50 it sounds very good and much like the Roland. Thanks for showing modulation instead of just sterile patches, helps to hear the real differences.
Same!
Glad that you like it. That's how it was meant to be
from the first words I understand that I listening a Deutscher Profi, very good comparison, thank you for this! But just one thing, a little advice - you need to reduce the music or volume up the voice sound, um die Gesamtlautstärke des gesamten Videos anzugleichen, weil du deine Nachbarn nachts wecken kannst)
yes, i know. The Intro Song was too loud. I will pay attention to it in the next video ;-)
Okay! Der erste Behringer Clone, der mich flasht.
Fazit nach 57:10:
Etwas entflasht aufgrund des hier und da schwächelnden Multimodefilters und leichten Abstrichen hier und da im Lowend. Wirkt generell etwas neutraler/steriler im Gesamtsound und in der Performance weniger smooth - zumindest mein erster Eindruck nach diesem Test.
Den passenden Rotz in den Sound reinzukriegen, dürfte aber bei den aktuellen Gegebenheiten im Studio kein Problem darstellen. Man wird mit dem Synth genau dahin kommen, wo man hin will.
Mal gucken, ob ich mir den nicht sogar noch zulegen werde.
War für mich auch nach dem Monopoly der zweite. Der UB-X hat mich z.b. nicht interessiert;-)
try poly-d ;)
@@knobsswitches Kompliment übrigens für den Test. Vermutlich der erste hier auf YT und dann geht der auch noch voll in die Tiefe. Gute Arbeit!
@@wellenstrom lieben dank. Ich habe Rob Keeble eine Mail geschrieben, ob er sich das mit dem Multimodefilter erklären kann. Vielleicht lässt sich das nachkalibrieren
5:10 Ich möchte ein eisbär sein, am kalten polar 😂😂😂 zu geil
Das hat sich irgendwie so ergeben ;-)
ITS ALWAYS THE ENVELOPES!!
Hast du den von Thomann? Geil dann kommt meiner auch bald? Super Video! Wirst du dein original nun verkaufen?
Ja, meinen habe ich bei Thomann bestellt. Das Original ist nicht meiner, daher werde ich ihn nicht verkaufen ;-)
rippenger is harshy, sounds like it is boosted in that sensitive region. It is obvious especially on a small speakers. SH5 is just more natural and full.
👍
Very interesting, thank you
The MS-5 sounded very good and much like the SH-5 on some sounds. On others, it really just did not sound as good
How did you manage to buy one of these already? They have not been available on Thomann as far as I know. Unless there were a sneaky few there at the start 🤣🤣 Great review!
Thanks a lot. I ordered it online from Thomann on 04.04
@@knobsswitches Ha! Nice one. All the best to you!
@@mbrombert for you too!
Which synth is playing at 5:32?
The MS-5!
When you clone a big muff the vintage almost always sounds better, unless you use all the exact same kinds and values as the original example (including odd values for resistors) The tolerances are also much tighter with modern smd than older carbon resistors, the caps also sound different. So the Behringer if it can last 40+ years will probably never sound the same or as warm. It just needs to be viewed as a modern component basic SH-5 Clone.
Exactly ❗️
yes!
True!
Due age of components it is imposible to compare two apples =D but the sh-5 sounds near the ms-5,...Thanks
The Sh5 was my first synth along with an arp omni. The sh5 could really scream. You can hear it on run through the jungle by Sacred Cowboys.
Sounds like Nitzer Ebb!
German + synth dungeon + Chris & Cosey shirt = subscribe
Can’t wait for my MS5. Thanks Behringer ❤
a synth youtuber who makes cool songs? color me surprised! the roland definitely sounds more lively and interesting, and the behringer sounds more hollow and thin, but the clone sounds pretty cool. I watched this by not looking at the screen, and Every time I heard a sound and thought 'oooh whats that' it's the roland.
Great demo but here's a tip: Weak sync works when VCO1 is set to a higher pitch than VCO2 - as opposed to Hard sync. A lot of unique pitch effects emerge from soft sync instead of just clicking.
Cool. Thanks for the Tip. I will defintly try this
I have the Behringer MonoPoly, which shares the same keyboard as the MS-5 and the Poly D. Man it's heavy! It was just too big and cumbersome for my set up. So I removed the synth half from the Keyboard and case. It's a shame the MS-5 didn't move features like the portamento from besides the keyboard to the Synth section. These two would have gone nicely together in my Keyboardless set up.
I had wondered why they didn't offer the keyboard as a frame where you could then change the synthesizers as modules.
Not a bad a idea. I wonder if they had pre planned this range when they made the Poly-D. Or whether it's success led to re-use of the format. I got the idea of separating the synth from the keys from a someone who did it with the Poly-D. Selling just the synth would have really cut down on weight and shipping, it's about half the weight and a 3rd of the size. Still feels hefty. Not too fussed about the poly D, but the MS-5 sounds really different and more my kind of thing. A shame it doesn't separate down without the portamento, but my wallet is happier.
useful comparison but I think it is more about the character rather then having exactly the same with behringer. Also new fresh components will never sound like tired 45y old gear, like both off them 👍
The originals usually win the A/B comparisons but in a mix with EQ and effects few people could tell the difference if they didn't know.
Watching this and comparing to my own experience with an SH5, I wonder if that SH5 needs service/calibration. It’s not in bad shape, but there are some things (the ring mod) that definitely sound a bit different.
Having watched the whole video, I’m going to blaspheme and say I like the MS5 a bit more.
How will the MS 5 sound in 50 years?
it won't work in 4 weeks
check back in 50 years and let us know.
@@VincentPresley Yes it will. Leave your prejudice out of it.
Great effort in this comparison. What I dislike most about the MS, apart from differences in behaviors, is perhaps that consistently harsh top end that’s not present on the original. In my experience this is common to other Behringer clones.
hello mark levinson, how are your golden ears?
it's a shame that you don't make your own synth that you could criticize :)
ps. you won't achieve anything with your behavior, sorry.
now quickly back to bullyingslutz where you are better off
Regardless of the 50-year age difference, comparing two tools will always lead to the same result. I was also brighter 50 yrs ago!!! ;) If you listen to a Rhodes now and what it was back in the days seem so far away. I prefer the MS-5, way more on tune, more contemporary,clean still warm, useful. you will never use an SH-5 on a recording nowdays. We need instrument for playing music not for bookshelves. sorry.
I wouldn't call it harsh. Maybe a tad brighter, due to newer electronics, caps, etc. In 40 years the MS-5 probably sounds just like the SH=5 does now :) Either way I don't think there's an alternative if you want something like a new SH-5, which doesn't need constant TLC to keep it going. Even the example used in the videos had crackles and pops going all over the place, as well as double triggers.
@@PietroTaucherexcuses you? Never use a SH-5 on a record nowadays? That’s a wild statement.
@@PietroTaucher😂😂😂😂 word ! and I'm not even 50 yet
Honestly, it's no surprise to me that I like the sound of the Behringer MS-5 more because it's got new components in it. It largely sounds brighter and more 'full'.
Thank you for the video. But i have to ask you to be a bit more careful with the volume. The intro tune is at -2 Lufs. This was brutally loud and the rest of the video ranges mostly between -14 to -20 Lufs.
Seriously? You are using that jargon on a yutube transmission? Did you watch some mixing tips about LUFS recently? 😅 Confess
omg... what do you expect from a behringer video
Constructive criticism isn't hate. Verstaerker not only put his criticism in short and concise language (which is exactly what jargon is there for), he even took the time to do the measurements to do so.
If this isn't showing love, I don't know what is!
@@bojangprodoktschns5428 it's not love. It's watching vids.
Roland sounds vintage warm and great, but behringer sound modern and nice
I can't wait to see what the clones look like in the same amount of time since the original was made.. plastic vs a metal chassis
So the poly-d and monopoly have a metal casing with a wooden bed, how did you come up with plastic?
Pro 1 was dreadful. The Behringer version is built like a tank.
WASP was a piece of garbage learning toy. The Behringer version eats it for lunch.
But the poly D..monopoly..Model D..Neutron.. Edge..and deepmind 12 are fantastic..!!
Expensive brands hates Behringer because brings us great synths with an affordable price.✌🏻
hast n abo vom süden erhalten 🙌🇨🇭
Dankeschön!
The great thing about the original analogue synths is put 3 next to each other and they’ll all be different, put any of the Behringer’s recreations in a mix and there won’t be enough of a difference to really notice.
right on!
Maybe recalibrating my SH5 could bringt it nearer to the MS5 (it's at least my 3rd one, after selling it 2 times for money reasons) - to my ears the overload of the BPF was higher on the MS5 - the intensity of mod and lfo sort of influence the max possible modulation etc - over all there have been quite a lot good moments. all of my SH5'es where not sounding the same and even the behaviour was different on all 3. I like the clicky sounds when playing around with S/H and ADSR and filter. don't know how newly calibrated units my differ.
I love me some good synth
Although there are some obvious differences when compared with the original, the Behringer MS-5 sounds very good.
Thank you for this wonderful demonstration and comparison.
My pleasure! Glad you like it
Reminds me a lot of my old Roland System 100 (the original 1975 version, not the 100M).
Yes, the old one sounds a bit warmer, but they're both good IMO.
yes, it was really fun to work with the ms5 and and it has a bit of that system 100 vibe ;-)
✅ The Behringer clone sounds like a Behringer clone.
No shit. What’s your point?
@@oblitafierIt’s supposed to actually sound like what it’s cloned from. Not a Behringer
Chris and Cosey tee shirt
I believe you can make it 50 years to see how it ages. Although your hearing might not be the same :)
probably 🙂
Shame Behringer didn't nail the raspiness of the SH5, that was main part of its sound..It won't stop me buying the MS5 though.
Peace
Old instruments are just better!! But for the price that Behringer is ridiculous 👀
i suspect most of the differences you're seeing are down to component tolerances, and the aged components in your SH-5.
Realistically, they sound as close as any two SH-5's would...
To me the behringer “sounds” significantly more available, affordable and reliable than an original 50 year old SH5… funny but i bet if Roland reissued the SH5 today no one would dare say it was a clone even though the only actual difference would be the name and significant hike in price. Well done Behringer for bringing us synths and gear that we actually want to own.
If you step outside your own cheap bubble you would know many have been complaining about Roland not sticking to the OG's sound wise and milking their history.
This doesn't mean a cheap knock off made in China (cause that's why it's so cheap) is therefor better. All you're looking for is the placebo effect that's as cheap as possible. 😉
If Roland re-released it, then it would probably be VA as well.
@JustDoIt-xq9pi You went straight to the adhominem attacks huh.
@@JustDoIt-xq9piQuit talking stupidity.
@@kevingort4926 Uli wants you on your knees with your mouth open. Stay down like you're told. 😉
MS5 looks like the coolest clone imo
The filter on the original is where the magic is, cannot copy these nuances
you need to balance the volumes between your voice and the intro, almost hurt my ears :D
Thank you for this. Yes, It is a difference between them, and Behringer sounds better, however is the question if better is what we want compared to the vintage sound. Its up to the individual to decide, but in the end who have the possibility to choose? Behringer does a great thing bringing back the old classics alive in the best way it is possible including modern functional updates.
"OSCULATORS" 😂😂😂
Given your leader Sam can't pronounce anything correctly, I doubt you should be laughing at someone else where their native language is possibly not English.
WD in proving your worth.
@@dankeplace off the meds again, I see.
Sounds interesting although the original killed it from start to finish. If they tried a little harder with the look and feel I might be tempted but every time I get one of their synths I feel like I'm playing, and looking at, a playschool toy. Can't they even pay a graphic designer? The original is great but I wouldn't pay over 3k for one and even that is a bit much. Beh synths look and feel so bad that I feel ripped off even when they are $150.
That SH needs some work done on it.
Behringer should have included a sequencer and a way to control the BP filter. Why some of their clones have sequencers and others don't is baffling.
Baffling? If the original has a sequencer, you’ll get a sequencer. Not that baffling.
@@oblitafier the Arp had no sequencer
What is so special about having a sequencer that you can’t do with an external one?
@@ernestomartinez5296- agreed, no point in having a built in sequencer on a synth like this. Imho.
Behringer should try making a synth they don't have to clone, but we all know that's too hard, just like adding a sequencer no one gives a shit about.
You can't beat the originals for looks and sound, but the Behringer clones come VERY close and my experience of over 30 years owning and using older machines means I don't miss faults, servicing, rare or completely obsolete parts, and crazy asking prices (although that bubble has burst and 'vintage' prices are falling faster each year). I also like the form factor of rack mounted clones too, the Pro-1 and D are amazing for the money, and this SH-5 clone is too. I hope they clone a Moog The Source (I have seen poly source mock ups on line) as that is a gorgeous sounding mono. If they do clone it, I hope they put knobs where that dodgy membrane panel was fitted.
close, cheaper and new with a warranty..come with midid too and looks nice
true!
Can you please please NOT distort the sound with an endless application of REVERB. In every video. What's wrong with y'all:)
I fully agree about this completely useless function in sound comparison videos
I have to disagree. I made the test as well. The MS5 sounds weaker in many aspect and you didn't really crank up the multimode filter enough - resonance and highpass together at the maxi- where the comparison makes huge difference. Will buy the SH5 and disregard the MS5. OK course ways more expensive, but sturdy and forever-repairable value keeper.
i stopped listening to gear Vs gear. For example, i own a tb303, and bought & tested the td-3, there is a difference for sure, in a negative way for the td-3 though there are videos on youtube which tend to show you the contrary. so now i'm sure there will be differences between the originals Vs the behringer clones, anyway it is a good solution for people to think they own a nice copy, but the sound is terrible. If you don't have the original you won't be able to catch the complexity and richness of vintage gears and when it comes to produce a record you will be disappointed with clones, nothing can be fixed with eqs or other magic wand. Maybe a Vst plugin is same sound and even less expensive ;-)
Am I dreaming or is this the first Behringer clone which doesnt have this liquid shitty Behringery characteristic of the oscillators? Damn this could be a buy...
try it!
MS 5 sounds so dull and boring compared to the SH 5, nothing musical or engaging for the ear, no colour, just a dull and uninspiring flat sound, im sure a good vst sounds more close to the original than this lazy cosplay with no soul. MS5 sounds dead to me. Thx for the comparison, this video sure cleared all my doubts.
Calibration and age are the major differences i think the sounds are very very similar for my ears . Ooo are you the Dirk Krause from Armageddon Dildos?
Yes
@@knobsswitches Nice to meet you Dirk . Greetings 🖖
pretty close, but are you really going to buy an sh-5 at this point? Can you find one? How much? Behringer... SOLD !!! :)