I am Mr keep it solid in the video the one who said the thing about the tanks, you did not refute my point and I will be in SK’s call today to showcase why the hate towards SSKTJL is just cope‼️
Plot armor is when the Flash chose to pull the heart out of Lex Luthor before Luthor could even realize he’s dead but didn’t do the same thing for the Suicide Squad.
Didn't lex solo the suicide squad as well 😂😂 with his tech when he froze them all in place? So wonder woman, flash, batman, green lantern, and lex Luthor all either soloed the squad or had the opportunity to do it and none of the squad died. That was pretty insane. I mean braniac did call the suicide squad the margin of error
Killer Croc is the perfect example of Humans in this verse not being Normal like People Irl, I mean he’s a *Human* with a skin condition and he’s capable of biting through steel and ripping apart Black-gate while at his weakest in the series… That and Batman beats Deathstroke in a fair 1 on 1, Same slade who’s stated to be Superhuman. We need more people bringing up the fact that fictional humans don’t have to adhere to real life limitations.
I like that one comment that states Batman is fighting a Crocodile-Man, not realising Killer Croc isn't a Crocodile. He's a Human with a Severe Skin conditions who's modified in the series to look more like one. Everything related to Batman makes sense here. Suicide Squad does not
@chandllerburse737 Because, like I said, they modified him. It's like if a doctor attached a Crocodile's tail to your tailbone, they overfed you, make your nose a Prosthetic to look less human, file down your teeth, etc. You'd look less human, but it doesn't change that you're human.
The info files in game clearly state Killer Croc is a metahuman. He had super strength and crocodile like attributes WAAAAAAAAAY before scientist did any thing to him. And even after it's not like they injected croc dna into him, the mutation became more severe due to the physical trauma they were putting him through. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here. The real reason batman can actually Fight Waylon in knight is cause he's wearing a whole Exo suit, same reasoj he one shots Deadshot. Which honestly feels like a Cop out but it's way more sensible.
@@Flipitmixit This is one of the most basic information about Killer Croc, besides the fact that his name is Waylon Jones. The 2nd Sentence of the wiki. How do you NOT know this?!
That Mary Sue comment triggered me. Rey isn't a Mary Sue because she did some impressive things, she's a Mary Sue because she literally never struggles and everything goes her way especially when it shouldn't. People on the internet have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a Mary Sue is and why they're horrible in stories. They also clearly didn't pay attention to the Arkham games at all and are just looking for excuses to bash Batman. Suicide Squad is shit, by the way. People trying to tear down the Arkham games with their horrible attempts at logic won't change that. Great video.
In what way did Rey not struggle? She struggled internally with the desire to return to her life on Jakku for a family that didn’t love her (at least until TRoS changed that). She comes to rely on the Force to defeat Kylo Ren the same way Luke relies on the Force to pull a “1 in a million shot.” My memories foggy on TFA because I typically don’t revisit any movie I watch, so I really only remember her solitary life on Jakku, meeting Finn, Han and Chewbacca, going through a series of visions that causes her to flee and be captured by Kylo Ren, resisting his mental interrogation meeting up with the group sent to rescue her and defeating Kylo in an unfair matchup, where she was on the defensive for a majority of the fight. I ignore the other 2 because I just don’t even remember anything at all from either, but if you’re so insistent that she doesn’t struggle in TFA please list them.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 umm bro he already made a video about how Ray us a Mary Sue so there isn't really a reason to do all that like for example of Ray being a Mary Sue so you remember the first ever fight she had with an light Saber yeah the fight she nearly beat Kylo Ren in or when she mind tricked a soldier without being trained in the force those are a few examples of her being a Mary Sue
@@marvel9496 so Rey barely managing to beat an injured and mentally drained Kylo Ren and mindtricking stormtroopers, who are malleable to such an ability is a Mary Sue. But Batman beating 8 assassins, capturing escaped Blackgate convicts, solving murder mysteries the police couldn’t, shutting down Black Mask’s operation, solving the Pinkney murder mystery, destroying Penguin’s weapon stache and stopping Riddler from revealing leaked information all in a single night when he’s still inexperienced isn’t a car of him being a Mary Sue. Keep in mind some of those assassins would’ve definitely been more trained or experienced than he was. Assassins like Deathstroke, who was prior military and already looks like he’s 60, or Shiva who’s trained longer in martial arts than Batman has. Batman would be the equivalent of someone who’s better at Michael Jordan in Basketball, better than Michael Phelps in swimming, better than Muhammad Ali in boxing, better than Babe Ruth in Baseball and really being better than whoever is considered the best at whatever sport all at once. Athletes that are dedicated to that single sport and this person is better than all of them when he’s equally distributing his time amongst multiple sports.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 bro like I said she did all of that with no formal training even master jedi would have to train to be able to use the mind trick they would have ro train to go up against a foe like Ren who was literally one of the best light Saber duelist at that time and for batman he was trained to do those things like in the dlc the combat sections of the dlc and yes he was inexperienced thats why he kept looking over the clues cuz he was too hot headed and filed by vengeance that's why he lost to bane the first time they fought that he didn't even solve the case until meeting the joker for the first time
Whenever people bring up the point of him overcoming Scarecrow's Fear Toxin, that's something I don't understand. Batman is a symbol of the indomitable human spirit. These moments never felt like plot armor for me, they felt like moments of inspiration, to say that you CAN overcome these fears and hardships, that they don't have to hold you back and shackle you, that you are stronger and more than what is trying to hold you down. Maybe that's just me and my love for Batman, but these arguments never made sense to me.
Batman became to me a symbol for overcome hard situations. I never felt like I would have been able to be happy again but I just found myself that happiness should be inside of me and not trying to put that on expectations, people or objects. Happiness is a state of mind, discipline is a state of mind.
@@BlaxkSunwhat's so funny? Batman has been put through countless situations where he had to face his fears which has been established through Arkham Asylum and even in the comics. He's a fictional character,if you can't get that through your thick skull, you are no different than the dumbasses who compare captain Marvel with him.
@@Eric-xf4ufwell this is a fictional universe we’re talking about were they have poisons stronger than anything in our world & Batman especially Arkham Batman has trained his body to be resistant to most said toxins in his universe to where he can come up with an antidote to be able to survive.
Is this not plot armour tho. Like I love the Arkham series and I just finished replaying Arkham knight and I def feel like that in itself is plot armour. The amount of times Jason just leaves an encounter for Batman to deal with goons is kinda high
Also I get criticisms with suicide squad but in no way do I think it’s a 0/10. The gold k and speed force decoupler and yellow lantern rings which are known to be weakness to green in many scenarios are not bad imo with the way the narrative goes
What the person at 10:48 needs to understand is that the big difference between Ray and Batman is that Batman was training and preparing for years to do this stuff while Rays actions came out of nowhere. No one calls characters Mary Sue just because they do amazing things(at least the ones with a brain don’t). They are labeled a Mary Sue when they do those things with no other reason for being able to other than, they just can. Batman has his years of training. What does Ray have.
So tell me then, what training did Batman go through that allows him to punch speedsters, dodge omega beams, or sneak past superhearing? Or generally being on equal footing to people that dedicate their whole life to a certain category while Batman would have to distribute his time amongst multiple things. Lady Shiva practically dedicated her life to martial arts and yet Batman is close to her in said category despite also having to divide his time between creating contingencies for anything, learning every academic possible, managing his billion dollar company, training whatever teen is holding the Robin mantle, being an active member of the Justice League and also having to maintain his title as “World’s Greatest Detective.” Bruce may not be the BEST at ANYTHING, but he’s way too GOOD at EVERYTHING. You have Batman overcome 8 of the world’s deadliest assassins in a single night despite it being an early part of his career as Batman as well as the fact that Batman is a MAN and not say it’s plot armor? Batman is constantly given the leeway to do the most op shit because he’s a well established character in media. If a brand new character was created that was essentially supposed to be a mere man, but he managed to do everything that Batman does, no amount of training would stop people from labeling him as a Gary Stu. Going off of the first sequel movie alone, Rey’s feats that most people point to are fixing the Millenium Falcon, mindtricking a stormtrooper and defeating Kylo Ren. All of which at least have some credibility. Rey spent her life from childhood to adulthood living on the harsh world of Jakku. Her life clearly indicates she got by through selling pieces of destroyed ships from the Battle of Jakku. This would on some level explain how she could fix the Falcon. Mind-tricking the stormtrooper is contrived but so was Luke managing to use the force to turn the proton torpedoes to make a 90 degree angle, or Anakin somehow surviving the Battle of Naboo. Those aren’t given the same criticism. There’s a pretty big gap between use the force to predict your enemies attacks and use the force to make an impossible shot while being flanked by the the most dangerous person in the galaxy. Kylo Ren was already injured by Chewbacca’s bow caster which as seen before, could launch armored stormtroopers across the area like a doll. That combined with the fact that he killed his father which clearly put him in a bad mental state meant were enough. Not to mention that Rey again was raised most of her life on Jakku which was clearly a hostile environment.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802I can understand your point to Batman, but Rey it's obviusly a Mary Sue with all the letters. In the first movie she can pilot the Millenium Falcon with no problems, and it's her first time in the ship (and she also can do a lot of tricks to experimented First Order pilots). She is better pilot than the freaking Poe Dameron, who whole purpose in the story is beeing a great pilot. Also, with NO contact with the Force before she can do a mental trick to a person. A Force technique that practically anyone uses in the 9 movies because it's suppose to be one of the most difficult things you can do. And it's the first thing she does. And she defeats Kylo Ren. Yes, he is wounded, but Kylo Ren was trained by the f-king Luke Skywalker, the savior of the Galaxy (with the pardon of Anakin), and is Leia's son, who is supposed to be as great as Luke with the lightsaber as The Rise of Skywalker established. And it's the first time she ever touch a lightsaber to fight. She didn't have any notions of how to use that weapon, and Kylo Ren it's (technically) and expert, that killed (with the Knightsof Ren I suppose) an entirly Academy of young Jedi. And that's only in the first movie. Rey it's probably one of the most evident Mary Sue characters that I've seen in my life (at least that isn't made it in purpose).
First of all, batman did not punch speedster, dodge omega beams, or sneak past super hearing in the arkham-verse. Also he litterly trained non stop since he was 9 to be the greatest in different cattergories. Also, it was only 7 because electicutioner was a joke. Shiva only wanted to test him. As for the others, killer croc is slow and untrained. firefly was only concerned with burning buildings. Dead shot and deathstroke were the only two that were both trained and wanted to take him out. Also, batman is a superhero. He is designed to do more than the average human. if you hate him for that, you hate the majority of action movie protagonists. As the video says, he also makes many mistakes in the saga and even loses. As for Rey, I could see her standing a chance against kylo but not winning do to kylo having the literal force. Also, Luke did not use the force to turn the torpedo. He is a skilled pilot do to him flying the skyhoppers on tattooine. Anakin surviving can be escused because he studdied ships and drove pod racers. Her using the force makes less sense due to the fact it was out of no where and she did not even believe in the force until just before. I agree with her fixing the falcon makes sense. Rey also brings the lightsaber to her with no training.
@@dukeslytalker1192 “he literally trained nonstop since he was 9 to be the greatest in different categories.” That’s my issue. There are plenty of other characters that put just as much time in ONE category that Batman is better at. Who should be better at Martial Arts? Batman who started at age 9 and also has to learn a multitude of other things that I’ve listed before, or Shiva who learned at an even younger age and is solely dedicated to Martial arts? Shiva wanting to test him doesn’t mean she’d hold back. She wanted to observe both his skill and his morality. There’s no reason to suggest she wasn’t attempting to kill him. Killer Croc clearly wasn’t slow. He was fast, aggressive, but also reckless. Firefly wasn’t concerned with blowing up buildings. He was using it as leverage to force Batman to confront him. It’s not that Batman is a superhero. It’s that he’s still supposed to be just a man. Yes he’s well trained and that explains why he can do things other humans can’t, but regardless, he’s still one of them. I always say this but I think Batman would be a lot more interesting if he were written like Sokka in Avatar TLA. His feats are impressive and for 14 year old boy, he’s remarkably accomplished, but I never got the feeling that he was beyond that. I watched Sokka lead an army of Water Tribe and Earth Bending warriors, I watched him fight alongside people who can manipulate the very elements around him. I watched him defeat Combustion Man who was giving Aang, the AVATAR: Master of ALL Elements trouble. He does so much and yet it doesn’t feel contrived. I still get the feeling the Sokka is still just a 14 year old kid surrounded by people that could defeat him without really trying. If Sokka was written like Origins Bruce, he’d have defeated a list of accomplished firebenders by himself, defeated Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors by himself and do it all within a single episode in S2 when he isn’t at his max potential. I always assumed the reason Batman was appealing was that he’s just a man surrounded by people that can move faster than light, thousand year old warrior deities, and people that can move the very planets themself, but he stays not because he’s even capable of matching him, but because he knows it’s right to stand alongside a league of heroes dedicated to protecting the world. A good video by Sage’s Rain highlights what I’m talking about with Sokka. But Batman’s accomplishments might as well make him another superhero with god like abilities which defeats the purpose imo. In the Arkham saga he hardly loses. They’re more like setbacks, where yes the action or inaction causes Batman to stumble. But there’s few moments where Batman is essentially on the ground (metaphorically speaking). Aang and the gang failing to defeat Ozai during the Day of The Black Son is a loss. Azula capturing Ba Sing Se is a loss. The Rebel Alliance losing the Hoth Echo base is a loss. The point I’m getting across is that these feel far more tangible than Batman’s. Up to Arkham Knight, the only true loss I felt he suffered was Talia and Joker’s death along with Bane wrecking the Batcave. I feel like people severely underestimate Rey in her fight against Kylo. You assume that she was a helpless girl when the reality was she spent her childhood to adulthood on a harsh hostile world where her only means of survival was scavenging old ships on her own. Far different from Cal Kestis who while he had a similar occupation in Fallen Order, was actually working it like a blue-collar job alongside people that he was fairly amicable with. It’d kind of like working in a chop shop that admittedly doesn’t have the best conditions, but having a life to go to after, compared to Jason Todd who had no one to care for him as he had to fend for himself and steal parts from vehicles whenever he had the chance. And her life on Jakku was far different than Luke’s. Yes, Luke grew up during the era of the Empire, but his life was relatively untouched by them. He was a simple kid who lived a simple life up until R2 and C-3PO stepped in. That didn’t change anything. Luke flying a T-16 different from flying an X-Wing in a battle against experienced TIE Pilots commanded by Vader. Nor did any of that justify Luke turning the torpedoes via the force. And studying ships and piloting pod racers justifies being able to survive what Anakin went through? Just because you can study firearms and you practice shooting a bow and arrow doesn’t mean you’ll turn into Rambo and gun down everyone in your way with an M4 carbine. It just seems like leeway is given to these characters but not Rey because of the time she was released. TFA premiered near the end of 2015 when people began arguing about wokeness and alt-right, and Rey was caught in the crossfire. Had TFA released prior, I don’t think she’d face that kind of scrutiny. Hell Ahsoka debut literally had her defeat an entire group of Magnaguards that gave Anakin and Obi-Wan trouble, but I don’t remember Ahsoka facing scrutiny for this. Just that she was annoying character.
He was there for the flash. Obviously the squad has crazy plot armor but idk he didn’t really see them as a threat but then again he killed all those security guards
The suit in Arkham Knight is stated by Robin if you talk to him after to be designed to compress around the wound. So even if it got in, the suit would've stopped the bleeding. So if I had to guess what he injected himself with, possibly something akin to a painkiller.
@@frogglen6350 No doubt the armor in Knight is much stronger it definitely seems more reinforced. I just can’t tell if from a gameplay standpoint he takes more bullets compared to the other.
I have my issues with Arkham Knight, but plot armor is not one of them. Scarecrow makes it painfully clear to the Arkham Knight that killing Batman is not enough. He wants to break Batman and hold him up as a broken man instead of this mythical Guardian of Gotham that people believe.
I just wanted to say I think I finally realized why the tanks were unmanned. The whole initial plan was to set off that big chemical bomb from the start and then the whole army was gonna just chill underground for the night while monitoring the city with drones while Batman and the city suffered. Then in the morning they emerge and take over. The soldiers go over the whole plan at that briefing in Ace Chemicals
Yep,plus it makes more sense to not dedicate all their personnel to manning tanks when one guy can control a drone army especially if the city is eventually gonna be covered in fear toxin
Superman fans like me know how frustrating it is to constantly hear about how Superman COULD speed blitz everyone or immediately heat vision them or whatever, how if he wanted it you’d be dead already, and then we just…never get to see anything close to this. Instead he’s constantly forced into the position of being the guy to beat to show how cool someone else is
Another thing that makes the arkham city moment where he wants to save talia first work is because when he needs to track down the league, oracle gets on his ass about makeing talia the most important part of his world so it makes sence in story why he wants to go after her first and proves that he doesn't always think the situations through if the once he cares about are in danger
1:46 another definition “character's indispensability to the plot of a novel, game, movie, etc., making the character impossible to kill or eliminate” basically means the character is invincible and can get away with/ survive everything that’s thrown at them even tho it’s absolutely impossible.
@@C0LIN.Most are from Arkham Knight tbh. I can't name any from Asylum, City and Origins. A lot of the Jason stuff is covered by Scarecrows plan but by the time Jason reveals himself, he's pretty much said "fuck the plan" and tries to kill Bruce twice. Then when he finally has a gun to his head... he takes time to bitch and exposit his motivation instead of killing him. It's not an egregious moment of plot armor but it's still plot armor
The thing that irks me about sskjl is the fact that in the nightfall ending for AK Batman states that the idea of the Batman had to die for something greater which is why he faked his death and becomes the nightmare Batman, but after Superman calls Batman out for owning him $16 Batman is like ahh yeah it’s fine I’ll be Batman again… even though everyone knows his secret identity… the whole point of Batman is to strike fear into thugs, if he didn’t have the fear toxin he couldn’t do that anymore.
Yes this is a big issue. Batman as an identity for Bruce is dead. He became a new legend and myth to continue his work. There is zero reason Batman should be in SSJL
That one comment about Batman falling off a building with Oracle and breaking the impact with his armor is funny because the exact same thing happens in The Dark Knight when Joker throws Rachel and no one bats an eye to some of the equally crazy shit that happens in that movie. The only difference is that a car broke their fall and not the pavement. But no, it’s an unbridled masterpiece, apparently. Both work within the context of their stories, this is by no means meant to rag on either by the way. Both stories are (mostly) internally consistent and work with what they try to do. Arkham Knight gets too much of a bad wrap.
What about isms doesn’t excuse the fact of plot armor, plot armor is almost in any story, the example you brought up of the dark knight is still plot armor, but that doesn’t make the story any less good. The issue is with many instances of plot armor where they become contrived.
@@beyond648 Yes you can, some things are easy to rationalize and neither are drawn back because of that, it’s just that one story is criticized for a litany of (I think) unfair reasons while another isn’t, at least as much.
@@pullupenthusiast3800 The Dark Knight and Arkham Knight have almost the same scenario, both work within the context of their settings and stories. This isn’t a knock on either, it’s just that some people have it backwards. And no, plot armor is in fact, not almost in any story. If a writer does a good enough job at making the stakes clear and giving the protagonist enough to work with while still struggling that is not plot armor.
Ah yes Arkham Batman’s plot armor that meant he couldn’t save everyone, gets shot,stabbed,poisoned and beaten, has his girlfriend die,loses his adoptive son who comes back as a vengeful enemy who wants to kill him! Not to mention he needed help with Penguin and Killer Croc(who he admitted he would lose to in a fight all the way back in Asylum),gets routinely physically and psychological tortured,has Allies and friends turn on him because of threats or distrusting him! Almost abandons his current mission to save his friends and family until he’s forced by Alfred to return to the mission at hand, which in both cases leads to the presumed death of the individual, is haunted by his failures to save people and fakes his own fucking death to ensure the safety of his friends and family! How is any of that plot armor? He fails and can’t save everyone which takes a massive toll on him.
Its plot armor where Jason Todd, instead of knocking him out and bringing him to Scarecrow decides to shoot him and then tell the militia to take care of him (which means to kill him since those militian can actually kill you if you don't press any button). Also, if Scarecrow really wants Batman alive, why tf did 20 armed tank pulled up and started shooting at him when he saved Barbara? Why during gameplay litterally everyone is trying to kill you and not knocking you out? It feels like they want to kill Batman but when they got the chance thei suddently remember about "Scarecrow plan" and then they just give up
@@PannaCotta57 Bruh Jason and Scarecrow wanted Batman to suffer, besides he could easily escape any captivity they have since he would have upgraded his utility belt meaning if they tried to remove it, they’d be shocked, if anything it would be a stupid move for them to bring Batman to them and the tanks? Oh yeah, the tanks he’s easily fucking decimated so far,he could have the Batwing fire upon from above(which Jason would know about and thus inform Scarecrow) plus knowing Batman he likely developed two prototypes of the Batmobile in case one was destroyed or damaged which we see is the case! Edit:that’s also not counting the fact that Batman’s utility belt has a tracker and either Robin and or Nightwing could find him and break him out! And in terms of your “well the militia kill him in game play!” That’s not canon nor is it a feasible option, by that logic Professor Pyg,Mad Hatter,Deadshot or heck any random thug off the street has the capability to kill Batman, I hope I don’t have to explain how outlandish,illogical and nonsensical of a option that is!
@@PannaCotta57 Knocking and bringing an escape artist and martial artist who on his person has a belt containing a myriad of technological equipment that only he can remove is not a sound strategy! Also they wanted him to witness Barbara’s “death”, that’s pretty hard to do when he call the Batmobile or Batwing, Fire a smoke/tear gas round to disorient everyone and take them down,break through the glass(or open the door though he’d risk being exposed to fear gas) and realize “Barbara isn’t here!”
@@henrygambles3652 So they want Batman alive therfore they attack him with tanks and soldiers because they're sure that he'll defeat them all. Is that your point? If thats the case, having an army its completely usless since they are just sent do die for no reason. What if a tank hitted Batman before he could call his Batmobile in the saving Barbara scene? Its not an impossible scenario, i would say its pretty likely so even in that case Scarecrow was not trying to kill Batman? As for the belt, i think That Jason and/or Scarecrow would be more than capable of removing it, hell if even the main villain isn't able to remove a belt i don't know what to say. They could just hold Batman at gunpoint and ordering him to remove the belt while he's locked up in a cell or something. The possibilities are endless. Its possible to trap batman as we can see in the Arkam city DLC. Also i'm not sure if Scarecrow wanted Batman to witness Barbara's real death. When He dropped her from the building i dont think he was expecting Batman to see it Edid: yeah, i said that soldier went to die but they didn't. I think you get my point anyway
@@PannaCotta57 Yes, they know they soldiers and tanks stand no chance against him, that’s not the point, they’re meant to slow him down and distract him! Ah yes Tanks that are known for power and not known for accuracy and it’s not like Batman is a “master of stealth”..oh wait! No they wouldn’t, Batman improves throughout each games and would likely improve his technology, if Scarecrow tried to remove it, he’d get 60,000 volts to the face, Jason you could maybe make an argument for but given his presumed death Id say it’s unlikely! Ah yes, a gun, Batman has never faced anyone wielding a gun except Joker,Harley Quinn,Penguin,Two Face,Deadshot,Deathstroke,Black Mask and several armed thugs, also he’s not afraid to die and they don’t want to kill him, what’s that going to do? No there are no possibilities because Batman is still just as capable and would take them down at this point, besides they want him to suffer, you don’t make someone suffer by doing it rapidly, you draw it out, let them believe they have a chance to stop it only to crush their hopes at the exact moment! if you Were talking about him after Barbara is presumed deceased, then yes I’d agree but you’re not! That’s Not what I’m referring to and you know it! Again there’s also Robin and Nightwing who are available at various points(or at least until the Panessa Studios in the case of Robin) Robin on his own would lose to Jason but Nightwing as stated in Arkham VR by Batman is “The Best Fighter I’ve ever trained!” By the time SSKTJL rolls around, he states that Robin and Nightwing with help from Oracle are the only people who can beat him, and Jason wouldn’t stand a chance against Nightwing nor would the Militia! They’re drawing things out because they want to make him believe he has a chance to stop them only to crush his hopes! Edit: also Jason is angry and vengeful, by no means is he an idiot but he’s impatient and impulsive, he’s not going to KO him!
This whole story gets way dumber when you realize an airstrike ends our cast immediately. Something that becomes even worse when the justice league members CAN do that.
Regarding the titan in Batman's body from the glowing eyes thing, I think his right arm is slightly thicker than his left, considering that his right arm starter to mutate from being injected with Titan. I could be wrong, tho.
Mitchell was a passionate gamer and a fan of the Batman Arkham series. He had a RUclips channel where he posted videos of his gameplay, analysis, and opinions on various aspects of the games. He had a loyal fan base who appreciated his insights and humor, but he also faced a lot of criticism and hate from some people who disagreed with him or just wanted to troll him. One day, he uploaded a video titled "Why Batman Arkham Knight is better than Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League". In the video, he compared the two upcoming games based on their trailers, gameplay mechanics, story, and characters. He argued that Arkham Knight was superior in every way, and that Suicide Squad was a lazy cash grab that betrayed the essence of the DC universe. He also pointed out some of the flaws and inconsistencies in the Suicide Squad trailer, such as the unrealistic physics, the bland dialogue, and the lack of stakes. He expected his video to get a lot of views and likes, but he also knew that it would attract a lot of backlash from the fans of Suicide Squad and the DC Extended Universe. He was prepared for that, and he even enjoyed engaging in some friendly debates with his viewers. However, he was not prepared for the amount of hate and abuse that he received from some of the comments. He decided to read some of the comments on his video, hoping to find some constructive feedback or interesting perspectives. He opened his laptop and scrolled through the comments section. He saw a mix of positive and negative comments, some of which he replied to. Here are some of the comments and his replies: @Rio_REAL 5 minutes ago The only thing about the tanks is that they don't use any of the heavy rounds against the wall. You know the one's they shoot at the batmobile to damage it. Then again scarecrow doesn't want them dead so they could be waiting for reinforcements to capture batman and it's just suppressing fire. Colin. Reply Mitchell 4 minutes ago @Rio_REAL Thanks for the comment, Colin. I agree that the tanks are not trying to kill Batman, but they are still a threat that he has to deal with. The heavy rounds are not effective against the wall, but they are effective against other vehicles and structures. The batmobile is also not invincible, and it can take damage from the tanks and other enemies. The tanks are not the main focus of the game, but they are part of the challenge and the atmosphere of the game. I think they add to the gameplay and the story, rather than detract from it. @baligong3592 @baligong3592 6 minutes ago (edited) I like that one comment that states Batman is fighting a Crocodile-Man, not realising Killer Croc isn't a Crocodile. He's a Human with a Severe Skin conditions who's modified in the series to look more like one. Everything related to Batman makes sense here. Suicide Squad does not Reply Mitchell 5 minutes ago @baligong3592 I appreciate your support, mate. Yeah, some people don't seem to know much about the Batman lore and the characters. Killer Croc is one of my favorite villains, and I think he was done justice in the Arkham series. He is not a crocodile, but he is a formidable foe for Batman. Suicide Squad, on the other hand, does not make sense at all. How can a bunch of human criminals take on Superman and the Justice League? How can they even survive in a city full of metahumans and aliens? It's just ridiculous and unrealistic. @justrandomstuff6828 @justrandomstuff6828 7 minutes ago The people trying to defend The Squad are trying to point fingers at the Arkham Series? That's not how you defend something, if something happen to be true (wich I doubt), then they'll just admit a flaw! Barman doesn't have both plot armor and a game that sucks! 1 Reply 1 reply Mitchell 6 minutes ago @justrandomstuff6828 Exactly, mate. You can't defend something by attacking something else. That's just a logical fallacy. If you like Suicide Squad, that's fine, but don't try to bash Arkham Knight to make it look better. Arkham Knight is a masterpiece of a game, and it does not have plot armor. Batman is not invincible, he is vulnerable and he makes mistakes. He faces real consequences and challenges, and he has to overcome them with his skills and his will. He is not a god, he is a man. A man who can do extraordinary things, but still a man. That's what makes him a great hero and a great character.
@ComposedSage75 I would like to read your comment I really... but I had a flashbang the moment I opened it, so please, please make sure to split your comment into multiple paragraphs. P.S I did in the end read your comment and the entire I was taking tick dmg but it was insightful to read.
When I see people complaining about batman being a regular human not being able to do these things, I feel like they forget this I fiction,hell people can’t even hold someone by one arm in real life,of course Batman can do these things since it’s not real.
The mary sue point can be quite easily debunked because we get to see the flaws of batman in Arkham Origins when he was still young and inexperienced, the arkham series from then shows us a much more mature and experienced batman with all of his skills mastered. And even then we still see flaws from such as him refusing to accept any help or lacking self confidence. All of the other traits of perfection we see in him in AK are a double edge sword.
OH!? WOW! A MAIN CHARACTER HAVING PLOT ARMOR!? Everybody, EVERY main character has at least SOME plot armor... The thing is, a lot of character's are able to hide it... Like Arkham Batman being able to stay awake for multiple days, or basically do ANYTHING he does in the game, even if he has billions of dollars, he shouldn't be able to get military-grade tech, he shouldn't be able to outrun bullets, but guess what? IT'S A PIECE OF FICTION! HELL! READ COMICS! COMIC BATMAN HAS LEAPED 100 FEET BEFORE!!! Holy shit... I think I'm losing braincells from this...
The thing is calling it plot armor, since that's a term supposed to be used to call out instances of the plot very clearly leaning towards the character without any sort of plausibility, the thing that makes a story flow well is by making the situations feel natural even if it's too "convenient" that the protagonist survives, but people like calling any instance of that plot armor because they like to feel smarter thinking "well a normal human wouldn't be able to survive this", imagine if after hearing a real survival story about a person who came out of a very unlikely situation you say that it was plot armor and then you realize how stupid it is
@@natalieDziadon I think that Batman staying awake for a full night while taking down an entire private army, a long with a bat-man creature, a gang leader, another gang leader, a man with an army of basically zombies, a flying pyromaniac, a whole league of ninjas, and a gigantic Crocodile man is at least SLIGHT plot armor, I'm not saying it ruins the game, no, it's not Stupid Squad levels of Plot Armor, but then again, nothing has that level of plot armor, hell, I fucking love the Arkham Games, they're literally my top 4 Superhero video games, but I'm just saying, basically all of main characters in media have Plot Armor, but it the story works when you make it not do much that the characters kill someone who is basically a fucking God(You can guess which game I'm talking about).
At the end, Batman relied on Jason to save him from scarecrow. That was really unexpected and Batman would've died right then and there if his enemy from 10 minutes ago didn't appear and save his life.
The only plot armor Batman has is having the world's strongest liver to be tolerate all the various toxins he's been injected with throughout each game. I'd imagine he could make a living off of drinking competitions😄
Another thing that makes me mad is the fact people say Jason being impulsive is a bad thing as if he wasnt tortured for over a year whilst being brainwashed into thinking Batman just cast him aside for a new Robin. It makes complete sense for him to be so hot-headed.
The people trying to defend The Squad are trying to point fingers at the Arkham Series? That's not how you defend something, if something happen to be true (wich I doubt), then they'll just admit a flaw! Barman doesn't have both plot armor and a game that sucks!
Yeah trashing on another trilogy to defend plot armor from an objectively garbage game isn’t gonna debunk anything I don’t get how they don’t realize that😂..
@@Cosmicmoralesi mean it’s a game set in the same universe so bringing up plot armor points that happen in the same universe seems like a solid defense
@jaydantastic3529 but when people ignore, context ignore alot of events etc etc like the people trying to defend this game it falls flat and its pathetic. Like the classic excuse is we know in arkham knight jason just doesnt kill batman cause he wants him to suffer and when he does want to kill him you can tell hes a conflicted emotional mess and wanted to that one last thing to rub it by using his mentors own words against him before victory as a final fuck you. But this game please try and defend why batman beat the league down first, missed shooting harley, knocked out flash. Had the perfect opportunity to kill harley and he doesnt. Explain that or superman the moment he grabs the boomerang why didn't he just heat vision them all? Hes right there not holding back so what the fuck same with green lantern why didnt he just do what he did again at the start? Seeing the problems here?
@@jaydantastic3529 Let's be honest the Flop Squad had way more plot armor than Batman. Like a lot more in fact it's ridiculous how much plot armor they have. There's no reality where the Suicide Squad beats the Justice League that's just stupid. Batman by himself could take out the Squad with no difficulty. In fact he did both in the animated movie and game. But plot armor came in and he got stupidwashed so he can have a lazy death.
The worst example of plot armor that I have ever seen is during the Battle of Winterfell when Briene and Jamie get legitimately covered in a wave of White Walkers only to somehow survive.
In 13:07 i think the person needs to understand is that they were showing us how strong minded batman is and that he can lock away his biggest fear in order to save gotham
22:38 It's astounding how you manage to tolerate some of these comments. They always end the same way. They'll make a stupid claim, reply with a surface level observation or just blatantly lie about the details, then get mad when they have no argument by saying something snarky or condescending.
As a fan of batman, I can agree that there is some suspension of disbelief required for the batman games, not because he doesn't have armor. I actually watched a video on shin godzilla, in which the person talked about the issue with his "thick impenetrable skin" due to the fact that physical force exists. The impact of numerous rocks, bullets, and other things would indeed take a toll. Not to mention that batman seems to have some sort of time dilation to be able to do what he does through the course of these games. That said, even if he has a minor amount of plot armor in that regard, it is still nothing in comparison to the four idiots being able to deal any sort of death blow to the most powerful beings in their world. All of them should have been at least hospitalized fighting any 1 member of the justice league, let alone one in which thier restraints of not killing have been removed. Not to mention that Amanda Waller would have personally injected bombs in thier brains and been threatening to kill them for not reaching objectives fast enough. Did the developers even watch assault on arkham? They fucked the game up within the first minute of the fucking game.
The only thing about the tanks is that they don't use any of the heavy rounds against the wall. You know the one's they shoot at the batmobile to damage it. Then again scarecrow doesn't want them dead so they could be waiting for reinforcements to capture batman and it's just suppressing fire.
Batman surviving Bane for the millionth time while wearing sci fi armor isn't plot armor. Evil Superman (with genius Brainiac backing him) choosing not to ram at supersonic speed this 3 humans and still just a shark man for no real reason is plot armor.
Bro I love watching your vids BECAUSE YOU MAKE VALID POINTS THAT PEOPLE seem like they choose to ignore you can’t even post your opinions without other getting mad
Wait so he cured himself of the Titan infection and Joker disease but his eyes turn green because of the Titan infection? I gotta rewatch that cause that doesn't make sense.
i think it’s kinda funny how we can excuse “scarecrow told jason not to kill batman” yet outside of the actual boss fights we can’t excuse “brainiac told the JL not to kill the suicide squad” and even after they kill the JL brainiac still didn’t want them dead
1. Scarecrow and Jason wanna torture Batman and get to him mentally by having him continue to fail to stop them 2. The only League member told to keep the squad alive was Batman, and there’s still numerous other things wrong with that fight. Also Brainiac can still keep them alive and capture them easily with his freeze tech and teleporter Stop talking
@@C0LIN. you’re a one and doner tryna argue someone actively playing the game and replaying it to search for things i missed, the batman is giving them orders to not waste time with the squad but batman obviously isn’t blindly giving orders so guess who has to be telling him to do that? please actually play the game instead of “game bad cuz i don’t wanna pay attention since they killed my daddy”
@@C0LIN. also you people and others keep bringing up “brainiac could’ve just warped the squad the entire time but if that’s the case why didn’t he do that to the justice instead of inviting them onto his ship and risking them immediately not trusting him and just blowing it tf up? you keep using that as a way to instantly take out the squad but you’re just assuming you know how it works, based on the entire game (which you would know if you payed attention) all instances of warping happen when the target is in a genuine area, where as the squad who is constantly moving around the city wouldn’t be confined into a smaller area which i assume is how the freezing works, it most likely has a “target must be still so the target can be locked in for this action”
@@jaydantastic3529 U bringing up another plot hole doesn’t fix the single plot hole, you’re using headcanon to defend the game. When u establish a character has an ability that broken there needs to be an explanation why he can’t use it.
@@jaydantastic3529 Yes meaning Brainiac either wants them dead or captured and literally everyone in the league except for Batman try to kill them. And it’s funny Batman tells everyone not to play around yet that’s exactly what he does in his fight. U haven’t countered a single point I’ve made lmfao
The only plot armor is where he got hit by a titan dart (note I only watch all cut scene videos of Arkham batman since I don't have any Arkham game so if there is an explanation to why I may have missed) and didn't turn into a titan except that everything is consistent except batman not stopping rock n roll forever
@Phetso-fh8ce well those that aren't from ssktjl tho it's kind of a debate since they can think faster than a human brain but batman (going on and on and eventually losing the topic)
@@genesismultiverse4896 i agree with you there. Its not like im undermining Flash and superman's intelligence. I think that the only ones that can rival or even outsmart batman are Bane and Cyborg
Its hard to say when a video game character has plot armor considering the fact that its a game and your supposed to win. You can beat some games without taking any damage at all which can go against or for the narrative of a character. For example in the Bayonetta games the titular character canonically never takes any damage in any fight shes in which works in gameplay because your rewarded for playing as well as possible and not getting hit.
Sorry if this is a late reply but tbh what I think is that that was just showing the infection getting more to Batman plus he couldn’t get the cure till the end of the game since Mr freeze breaks one of them and Harley stole the other one making Batman having to do more work
i never understood why no one has ever shot batman in the mouth which is the only exposed point. I get the bat on his chest is meant to distract but no one’s ever to my knowledge ever has gotten smart enough or have that bad aim where he gets shot by someone smart enough or a stray shot in the most vulnerable spot. I do remember hearing in the comics someone was wise enough to shoot his mouth, but there was like a screen with his mouth there or something there but idk the context. Doesn’t take away my enjoyment of batman or makes me think Arkham batman has plot armor I just think everyone out to kill him that he fights is just that dumb, besides mainline comics.
It's hard asf to aim at someone's mouth when there is a literal 6 feet demon bat is charging at you about to beat your ass to the point that you wont be able to walk for 6 months
Great video, but i think its important to add that the reason scarecrow and arkham knight didnt man the tanks is because THEY DIDNT KNOW BATMAN HAS A TANK!! The Tankmobile was a brand new vehicle that nobody was aware of until batman strated using it in the beginning of the game, as stated by multiple voice lines of the militia soldiers, they thought he still has his original batmobile and one unmaned tank was enough to take it down so they planned to use the extra manpower to conquer gotham instead of wasting it on manning the tanks
I’d also like to mention that brainiacs “Invasion” is as entirely localized within Metropolis. From what we’ve seen In the story, such as Gotham and Arkham asylum, they seem completely unaffected by Brainiac. I’m sure the story explains it, but when brainiac has both the entire justice league and the ability to alter time it’s self, it just seems like a excuse to not have multiple settings in the game (which it could of benefit from)
I'm only confused about how the titan in his system didn't turn him into a hulking titan before the joker boss fight in asylum. Did they explain that or not? Genuine question, i never played asylum, only city
Batman isn't infected in Asylum. That happens in City. The Joker is dying because of the Titan, so he traps Batman and infuses his own blood into Bats. That way Batman has no other choice but find a cure for both.
He was resisting the change because unlike normal people, in Arkham Asylum he had to go through a lot of trauma during the scarecrow encounters where scarecrow makes him hallucinate his dead dad and mom talking straight to his face and also making him witness the experience again, batman resisted and had overcome many obstacles and this shows how resistant he is. Him resisting the effects of Titan serum isn't all that crazy. The key here is that he was resisting, which doesn't mean the serum is not working, he's just holding and gripping his arm tight enough, the joker tries to even tickle him during this moment.
I haven't even played all the Arkham games, and even I know that the amount of plot armor the Squad had in their one game completely dwarfs any plot armor Arkham Batman might have had in all four of his games, six if you count Origins Blackgate and VR which not many people do. Assuming he even had any at all which I highly doubt. Batman doesn't pay taxes.
He still had a doze of the joker venom in him. It was the venom who made his vr nightmare, and it was the venom who made him put guns on his car. The toxin amplified his sickness by making him fear he was close to the end, but when he became fearless, he did not force the sickness out just the fear toxin. Jokers blood was still in his body, and as evidenced by the Joker guys in the movie studio, the cure Mr. Freeze made had rare but major flaws. Batman was one of those movie studios.
Batman is the character that has the most plot armor. Writers tend to give him that and combine it with stuff like nerfing his opponent so he could come out on top. I can immediately think about an instance in Arkham Knight where he has plot armor and his enemy is purposefully nerfed. In the boss fight with Deathstroke Batman manages to defeat Slade by knocking him out mid air and then putting him to sleep by punching him in the head. That is literally impossible. Deathstroke is a superhuman that has the strength of 10 men combined. He has healing. He has super reflexes and super speed. He can use 90% of his brain capacity and has mastered plenty of martial arts and also is a specialist in all kinds of swords, pistols, rifles and so on. And he has deadly accuracy. The dude has fough with Superman. Has defeated part of the Justice League all by himself. Has defeated the Teen Titans who literally have superpowers. And yet we're supposed to believe that Batman defeated that same guy by knocking him out mid air? Slade literally has super reflexes and speed. He could have dodged that and literally shot Bruce in the head. Literally everything that Batman has in terms of human capabilities Deathstroke has it x10. And yet he just manages to defeat the guy by punching him in the face. You literally need to punch the normal goons several times in the head before you knock em out but you can one shot Deathstroke? Totally not plot armor right? Also you literally shot yourself in the foot. So you're saying that the reason Batmam can withstand being punched by Bane. Bane! The dude that has 20x the strength of a normal human is because he has protective armor? Ok so if you walk Batman up in any of the games to a bunch of goons with that same exact armor and let the goons punch him and stab him with knives he literally dies. With that same armor he dies by being punched by goons that are way below his level but somehow conveniently when the time comes that same armor becomes so strong that he can take punches by Bane that throw him through walls. Punches that are literally 20x stronger than those of the goons that can kill him with normal punches. He should literally be dead immediately or have his body completely broken down. Also as you progress through games like Arkham City you can see how you armor gets thorn apart by all the fights. By literally punches, stabs and bullets but that same armor can magically withstand punches from Bane or heavy debris falling on top of him and he shakes it off like it's nothing but can die from being punched by goons.
Yes he does. In Arkham City he is completely stuck under rubble and would’ve died but it was because of Talia he was saved. She had been mad at Batman and had reason too let him die. But right after that Black Cat saves him from the rubble even though she would’ve gotten a big payday if she left. Which the game gives you the option too! And if you decide to leave him he ends up dying. But the game puts you back and forces you to save him.
@@neinja66469I mean when said character only knows the other person is about to die because of some random security feed that has little reason being there. This is like probably the only time it's blatant.
7:45 Also this is proven in the first game where Batman was in a building that got blown up and just after that he survived and walked out fighting two brutes and a massive version of the Joker, he's a legend 🔥
Spider-Man 2 has anti-plot armor. Remember that even though his spider sense does not work on Venom he still has super reflexes and yet Mary Jane takes the blow for him. Not only that, he also gets pinned down by a refrigerator of all things. He gets pinned down by a lot of things in the second game.
Peter literally does react to it if u slow down the scene, he’s just surprised by MJ jumping in front of him. The fridge thing is fair but changes nothing about the plot if he gets up 5 seconds earlier.
20:00 Batman always wins and is flawless? Whatever its flaws, Batman: Arkham Knight is all about Batman facing down the consequences of his worst failures all at once, eventually resulting in his loss of identity and his reputation, forcing him to have to fake his own death and go underground with a new persona (as another version of Batman did at the end of The Dark Knight Returns).
9:29 mute point because if they tied hostages to the tanks IT WOULD REALLY BE A CHALLANGE FOR BATMAN, THEREFORE HE WOULD NEED TO BE AT HIS BEST. you can go either way with it but really just proves that the drones are just there for slop explosions to keep the player engaged.
Actually, Batman does hallucinate the Joker prior to the fear toxin dose in Arkham Knight When you're in the central mixing chamber, at a certain point, the Scarecrow silhouettes head will be replaced by the Jokers head. It's really subtle and most people miss it but people used freecam and showed that on the model, Jokers head has replaced Scarecrows.
16:35 Makes more sense than basically somebody clearly didn’t pay attention to the game to be honest for me I don’t fully remember it but thankfully considering there’s a large capital of people playing the old Gotham games I’m more than inclined wanna brush up back on the old stuff just to see what I’ve missed
15:13 that don’t make sense respectfully. It shows a flashback of him and him and Jim Gordon in the bat cave and he knows he’s the last Gordon and him and the jokers have the real joker’s blood.
batman regularly defeats his entire rogues gallery and several armies worth of goons in these game often in just one, he doesnt just have plot armor he has the whole plot tactical armory
If u want to debate in a voice call there’s a discord link in the description
I wanna debate because I love arguing but sadly we agree
@@Tappiteetoo bruh
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I am Mr keep it solid in the video the one who said the thing about the tanks, you did not refute my point and I will be in SK’s call today to showcase why the hate towards SSKTJL is just cope‼️
@@mrkeepitsolid3490 the game sucky
Plot armor is when the Flash chose to pull the heart out of Lex Luthor before Luthor could even realize he’s dead but didn’t do the same thing for the Suicide Squad.
Lex Luthor is a REAL threat though compared to Suicide Squad
Didn't lex solo the suicide squad as well 😂😂 with his tech when he froze them all in place? So wonder woman, flash, batman, green lantern, and lex Luthor all either soloed the squad or had the opportunity to do it and none of the squad died. That was pretty insane. I mean braniac did call the suicide squad the margin of error
@@guardiansofthecontest3461 please, upgrade your vocabulary dude.
@@LAGator-qu7tcwhat was hard to understand?
@@calebstevens9446😂fr bros delusional.
Killer Croc is the perfect example of Humans in this verse not being Normal like People Irl, I mean he’s a *Human* with a skin condition and he’s capable of biting through steel and ripping apart Black-gate while at his weakest in the series…
That and Batman beats Deathstroke in a fair 1 on 1, Same slade who’s stated to be Superhuman.
We need more people bringing up the fact that fictional humans don’t have to adhere to real life limitations.
What kind of skin condition gives you a fucking tail😭
@alessandrugaurean7779 he has a very very rare form of Epidermolytic hyperkeratosis.
@alessandrugaurean7779 a fictional skin condition
If anything batman got plot armor from crippling depression
I like that one comment that states Batman is fighting a Crocodile-Man, not realising Killer Croc isn't a Crocodile. He's a Human with a Severe Skin conditions who's modified in the series to look more like one.
Everything related to Batman makes sense here. Suicide Squad does not
@chandllerburse737 not in origins, which is what they are talking about
@chandllerburse737
Because, like I said, they modified him. It's like if a doctor attached a Crocodile's tail to your tailbone, they overfed you, make your nose a Prosthetic to look less human, file down your teeth, etc. You'd look less human, but it doesn't change that you're human.
The info files in game clearly state Killer Croc is a metahuman. He had super strength and crocodile like attributes WAAAAAAAAAY before scientist did any thing to him. And even after it's not like they injected croc dna into him, the mutation became more severe due to the physical trauma they were putting him through. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.
The real reason batman can actually Fight Waylon in knight is cause he's wearing a whole Exo suit, same reasoj he one shots Deadshot. Which honestly feels like a Cop out but it's way more sensible.
Arkhams Killer Croc is a crocodile man. Since when does a severe skin condition make you as tall as a house
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This is one of the most basic information about Killer Croc, besides the fact that his name is Waylon Jones. The 2nd Sentence of the wiki.
How do you NOT know this?!
That Mary Sue comment triggered me. Rey isn't a Mary Sue because she did some impressive things, she's a Mary Sue because she literally never struggles and everything goes her way especially when it shouldn't. People on the internet have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a Mary Sue is and why they're horrible in stories. They also clearly didn't pay attention to the Arkham games at all and are just looking for excuses to bash Batman.
Suicide Squad is shit, by the way. People trying to tear down the Arkham games with their horrible attempts at logic won't change that. Great video.
In what way did Rey not struggle? She struggled internally with the desire to return to her life on Jakku for a family that didn’t love her (at least until TRoS changed that). She comes to rely on the Force to defeat Kylo Ren the same way Luke relies on the Force to pull a “1 in a million shot.”
My memories foggy on TFA because I typically don’t revisit any movie I watch, so I really only remember her solitary life on Jakku, meeting Finn, Han and Chewbacca, going through a series of visions that causes her to flee and be captured by Kylo Ren, resisting his mental interrogation meeting up with the group sent to rescue her and defeating Kylo in an unfair matchup, where she was on the defensive for a majority of the fight. I ignore the other 2 because I just don’t even remember anything at all from either, but if you’re so insistent that she doesn’t struggle in TFA please list them.
Womp womp
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 umm bro he already made a video about how Ray us a Mary Sue so there isn't really a reason to do all that like for example of Ray being a Mary Sue so you remember the first ever fight she had with an light Saber yeah the fight she nearly beat Kylo Ren in or when she mind tricked a soldier without being trained in the force those are a few examples of her being a Mary Sue
@@marvel9496 so Rey barely managing to beat an injured and mentally drained Kylo Ren and mindtricking stormtroopers, who are malleable to such an ability is a Mary Sue.
But Batman beating 8 assassins, capturing escaped Blackgate convicts, solving murder mysteries the police couldn’t, shutting down Black Mask’s operation, solving the Pinkney murder mystery, destroying Penguin’s weapon stache and stopping Riddler from revealing leaked information all in a single night when he’s still inexperienced isn’t a car of him being a Mary Sue.
Keep in mind some of those assassins would’ve definitely been more trained or experienced than he was. Assassins like Deathstroke, who was prior military and already looks like he’s 60, or Shiva who’s trained longer in martial arts than Batman has.
Batman would be the equivalent of someone who’s better at Michael Jordan in Basketball, better than Michael Phelps in swimming, better than Muhammad Ali in boxing, better than Babe Ruth in Baseball and really being better than whoever is considered the best at whatever sport all at once. Athletes that are dedicated to that single sport and this person is better than all of them when he’s equally distributing his time amongst multiple sports.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 bro like I said she did all of that with no formal training even master jedi would have to train to be able to use the mind trick they would have ro train to go up against a foe like Ren who was literally one of the best light Saber duelist at that time and for batman he was trained to do those things like in the dlc the combat sections of the dlc and yes he was inexperienced thats why he kept looking over the clues cuz he was too hot headed and filed by vengeance that's why he lost to bane the first time they fought that he didn't even solve the case until meeting the joker for the first time
Whenever people bring up the point of him overcoming Scarecrow's Fear Toxin, that's something I don't understand. Batman is a symbol of the indomitable human spirit. These moments never felt like plot armor for me, they felt like moments of inspiration, to say that you CAN overcome these fears and hardships, that they don't have to hold you back and shackle you, that you are stronger and more than what is trying to hold you down. Maybe that's just me and my love for Batman, but these arguments never made sense to me.
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Batman became to me a symbol for overcome hard situations. I never felt like I would have been able to be happy again but I just found myself that happiness should be inside of me and not trying to put that on expectations, people or objects. Happiness is a state of mind, discipline is a state of mind.
@@BlaxkSunwhat's so funny? Batman has been put through countless situations where he had to face his fears which has been established through Arkham Asylum and even in the comics. He's a fictional character,if you can't get that through your thick skull, you are no different than the dumbasses who compare captain Marvel with him.
so if inject batman with a lethal dose of fent, he can just not die because of his will power right?
@@Eric-xf4ufwell this is a fictional universe we’re talking about were they have poisons stronger than anything in our world & Batman especially Arkham Batman has trained his body to be resistant to most said toxins in his universe to where he can come up with an antidote to be able to survive.
Batman doesn't have plot armor. Jason just liked to bragged a lot and he was impatient.
Is this not plot armour tho. Like I love the Arkham series and I just finished replaying Arkham knight and I def feel like that in itself is plot armour. The amount of times Jason just leaves an encounter for Batman to deal with goons is kinda high
Also I get criticisms with suicide squad but in no way do I think it’s a 0/10. The gold k and speed force decoupler and yellow lantern rings which are known to be weakness to green in many scenarios are not bad imo with the way the narrative goes
@@aalishanjessani3505You forget how cocky Jason is
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No? Its a character, is it plot armor if Spider-Man gets punched in the face because he jokes too kuch?
@@trevorphilips9065 not to mention Jason was probably having mixed emotions about killing him.
What the person at 10:48 needs to understand is that the big difference between Ray and Batman is that Batman was training and preparing for years to do this stuff while Rays actions came out of nowhere. No one calls characters Mary Sue just because they do amazing things(at least the ones with a brain don’t). They are labeled a Mary Sue when they do those things with no other reason for being able to other than, they just can. Batman has his years of training. What does Ray have.
I agree because your comparing Batman a well written character who earned everything to rey a character some kid written in the back of his mom car
So tell me then, what training did Batman go through that allows him to punch speedsters, dodge omega beams, or sneak past superhearing? Or generally being on equal footing to people that dedicate their whole life to a certain category while Batman would have to distribute his time amongst multiple things. Lady Shiva practically dedicated her life to martial arts and yet Batman is close to her in said category despite also having to divide his time between creating contingencies for anything, learning every academic possible, managing his billion dollar company, training whatever teen is holding the Robin mantle, being an active member of the Justice League and also having to maintain his title as “World’s Greatest Detective.” Bruce may not be the BEST at ANYTHING, but he’s way too GOOD at EVERYTHING.
You have Batman overcome 8 of the world’s deadliest assassins in a single night despite it being an early part of his career as Batman as well as the fact that Batman is a MAN and not say it’s plot armor?
Batman is constantly given the leeway to do the most op shit because he’s a well established character in media. If a brand new character was created that was essentially supposed to be a mere man, but he managed to do everything that Batman does, no amount of training would stop people from labeling him as a Gary Stu.
Going off of the first sequel movie alone, Rey’s feats that most people point to are fixing the Millenium Falcon, mindtricking a stormtrooper and defeating Kylo Ren. All of which at least have some credibility. Rey spent her life from childhood to adulthood living on the harsh world of Jakku. Her life clearly indicates she got by through selling pieces of destroyed ships from the Battle of Jakku. This would on some level explain how she could fix the Falcon.
Mind-tricking the stormtrooper is contrived but so was Luke managing to use the force to turn the proton torpedoes to make a 90 degree angle, or Anakin somehow surviving the Battle of Naboo. Those aren’t given the same criticism. There’s a pretty big gap between use the force to predict your enemies attacks and use the force to make an impossible shot while being flanked by the the most dangerous person in the galaxy.
Kylo Ren was already injured by Chewbacca’s bow caster which as seen before, could launch armored stormtroopers across the area like a doll. That combined with the fact that he killed his father which clearly put him in a bad mental state meant were enough. Not to mention that Rey again was raised most of her life on Jakku which was clearly a hostile environment.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802I can understand your point to Batman, but Rey it's obviusly a Mary Sue with all the letters. In the first movie she can pilot the Millenium Falcon with no problems, and it's her first time in the ship (and she also can do a lot of tricks to experimented First Order pilots). She is better pilot than the freaking Poe Dameron, who whole purpose in the story is beeing a great pilot. Also, with NO contact with the Force before she can do a mental trick to a person. A Force technique that practically anyone uses in the 9 movies because it's suppose to be one of the most difficult things you can do. And it's the first thing she does. And she defeats Kylo Ren. Yes, he is wounded, but Kylo Ren was trained by the f-king Luke Skywalker, the savior of the Galaxy (with the pardon of Anakin), and is Leia's son, who is supposed to be as great as Luke with the lightsaber as The Rise of Skywalker established. And it's the first time she ever touch a lightsaber to fight. She didn't have any notions of how to use that weapon, and Kylo Ren it's (technically) and expert, that killed (with the Knightsof Ren I suppose) an entirly Academy of young Jedi. And that's only in the first movie. Rey it's probably one of the most evident Mary Sue characters that I've seen in my life (at least that isn't made it in purpose).
First of all, batman did not punch speedster, dodge omega beams, or sneak past super hearing in the arkham-verse. Also he litterly trained non stop since he was 9 to be the greatest in different cattergories.
Also, it was only 7 because electicutioner was a joke. Shiva only wanted to test him. As for the others, killer croc is slow and untrained. firefly was only concerned with burning buildings. Dead shot and deathstroke were the only two that were both trained and wanted to take him out.
Also, batman is a superhero. He is designed to do more than the average human. if you hate him for that, you hate the majority of action movie protagonists. As the video says, he also makes many mistakes in the saga and even loses.
As for Rey, I could see her standing a chance against kylo but not winning do to kylo having the literal force.
Also, Luke did not use the force to turn the torpedo. He is a skilled pilot do to him flying the skyhoppers on tattooine. Anakin surviving can be escused because he studdied ships and drove pod racers. Her using the force makes less sense due to the fact it was out of no where and she did not even believe in the force until just before.
I agree with her fixing the falcon makes sense.
Rey also brings the lightsaber to her with no training.
@@dukeslytalker1192 “he literally trained nonstop since he was 9 to be the greatest in different categories.” That’s my issue. There are plenty of other characters that put just as much time in ONE category that Batman is better at. Who should be better at Martial Arts? Batman who started at age 9 and also has to learn a multitude of other things that I’ve listed before, or Shiva who learned at an even younger age and is solely dedicated to Martial arts?
Shiva wanting to test him doesn’t mean she’d hold back. She wanted to observe both his skill and his morality. There’s no reason to suggest she wasn’t attempting to kill him. Killer Croc clearly wasn’t slow. He was fast, aggressive, but also reckless. Firefly wasn’t concerned with blowing up buildings. He was using it as leverage to force Batman to confront him.
It’s not that Batman is a superhero. It’s that he’s still supposed to be just a man. Yes he’s well trained and that explains why he can do things other humans can’t, but regardless, he’s still one of them. I always say this but I think Batman would be a lot more interesting if he were written like Sokka in Avatar TLA.
His feats are impressive and for 14 year old boy, he’s remarkably accomplished, but I never got the feeling that he was beyond that. I watched Sokka lead an army of Water Tribe and Earth Bending warriors, I watched him fight alongside people who can manipulate the very elements around him. I watched him defeat Combustion Man who was giving Aang, the AVATAR: Master of ALL Elements trouble. He does so much and yet it doesn’t feel contrived. I still get the feeling the Sokka is still just a 14 year old kid surrounded by people that could defeat him without really trying.
If Sokka was written like Origins Bruce, he’d have defeated a list of accomplished firebenders by himself, defeated Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors by himself and do it all within a single episode in S2 when he isn’t at his max potential.
I always assumed the reason Batman was appealing was that he’s just a man surrounded by people that can move faster than light, thousand year old warrior deities, and people that can move the very planets themself, but he stays not because he’s even capable of matching him, but because he knows it’s right to stand alongside a league of heroes dedicated to protecting the world. A good video by Sage’s Rain highlights what I’m talking about with Sokka. But Batman’s accomplishments might as well make him another superhero with god like abilities which defeats the purpose imo.
In the Arkham saga he hardly loses. They’re more like setbacks, where yes the action or inaction causes Batman to stumble. But there’s few moments where Batman is essentially on the ground (metaphorically speaking). Aang and the gang failing to defeat Ozai during the Day of The Black Son is a loss. Azula capturing Ba Sing Se is a loss. The Rebel Alliance losing the Hoth Echo base is a loss. The point I’m getting across is that these feel far more tangible than Batman’s. Up to Arkham Knight, the only true loss I felt he suffered was Talia and Joker’s death along with Bane wrecking the Batcave.
I feel like people severely underestimate Rey in her fight against Kylo. You assume that she was a helpless girl when the reality was she spent her childhood to adulthood on a harsh hostile world where her only means of survival was scavenging old ships on her own. Far different from Cal Kestis who while he had a similar occupation in Fallen Order, was actually working it like a blue-collar job alongside people that he was fairly amicable with. It’d kind of like working in a chop shop that admittedly doesn’t have the best conditions, but having a life to go to after, compared to Jason Todd who had no one to care for him as he had to fend for himself and steal parts from vehicles whenever he had the chance. And her life on Jakku was far different than Luke’s. Yes, Luke grew up during the era of the Empire, but his life was relatively untouched by them. He was a simple kid who lived a simple life up until R2 and C-3PO stepped in.
That didn’t change anything. Luke flying a T-16 different from flying an X-Wing in a battle against experienced TIE Pilots commanded by Vader. Nor did any of that justify Luke turning the torpedoes via the force.
And studying ships and piloting pod racers justifies being able to survive what Anakin went through? Just because you can study firearms and you practice shooting a bow and arrow doesn’t mean you’ll turn into Rambo and gun down everyone in your way with an M4 carbine. It just seems like leeway is given to these characters but not Rey because of the time she was released. TFA premiered near the end of 2015 when people began arguing about wokeness and alt-right, and Rey was caught in the crossfire. Had TFA released prior, I don’t think she’d face that kind of scrutiny. Hell Ahsoka debut literally had her defeat an entire group of Magnaguards that gave Anakin and Obi-Wan trouble, but I don’t remember Ahsoka facing scrutiny for this. Just that she was annoying character.
8:25 What we should’ve gotten instead of suicide squad is Batman Arkham: Become a literal Bat
Batman: Arkham bat
" "Man arkham:Become bat" really makes you feel like a fruit bat munching on an apple,8/10"-IGN
Become bat Batman
Man Bat: Kill the Bat Family
Batman not offing/capturing the squad immediately after he knocks them out is the definition of plot armor.
Especially since he’s already killing innocent guards with no hesitation.
Yeah, he slaughtered cops and civilians for less.
He was there for the flash. Obviously the squad has crazy plot armor but idk he didn’t really see them as a threat but then again he killed all those security guards
@@mateopaez1020 He wanted to kill Harley, but changed mind after capturing Flash for some reason or no reason
What's stopping Superman from just sun dipping mid fight? Oh right! Plot armor!
IN ALL HIS FIGHTS!
Superman wouldn’t do that to people, he has his own restraints
Superman is under Brainiac's control. He would do that. And the spaceship probably won't break.
He quite literally does that mid-fight lmao.
24:13 Bro if Alfred pulled up the games would be like 15 minutes long.
Nah 2 seconds fr Alfred is HIM
@@Diabolicaleditz most gigachad old man in DC comics.
@@arjuna6224 Alfred could beat TN1 bane change my mind
@@Diabolicaleditz that's a fact, alfred has already beaten Superman, TN 1 bane would never even stand a chance.
We all know that Alfred can take out Batman’s entire rouge’s gallery and Superman
Obviously
Super-pill Alfred solos the omniverse.
Alfred vs Doug (monsterverse)
@HHninjadragon I'm sure I'd agree if I knew who and/or what that was.
The suit in Arkham Knight is stated by Robin if you talk to him after to be designed to compress around the wound. So even if it got in, the suit would've stopped the bleeding. So if I had to guess what he injected himself with, possibly something akin to a painkiller.
I mean aren’t we constantly canonically upgrading his suit to be more and more resistant to bullets anyways?
@LimitlessXperience kinda. It feels like he takes more bullet damage in knight than city but I could be wrong.
@@frogglen6350 No doubt the armor in Knight is much stronger it definitely seems more reinforced. I just can’t tell if from a gameplay standpoint he takes more bullets compared to the other.
@@frogglen6350 That might just be how enemies in Knight are just ruthless and the damage was tuned up a bit to balance how op Batman is in Knight.
@@Mr.PR2000well he needs to be prepared. My bro is the prep time king
I have my issues with Arkham Knight, but plot armor is not one of them. Scarecrow makes it painfully clear to the Arkham Knight that killing Batman is not enough. He wants to break Batman and hold him up as a broken man instead of this mythical Guardian of Gotham that people believe.
I just wanted to say I think I finally realized why the tanks were unmanned. The whole initial plan was to set off that big chemical bomb from the start and then the whole army was gonna just chill underground for the night while monitoring the city with drones while Batman and the city suffered. Then in the morning they emerge and take over. The soldiers go over the whole plan at that briefing in Ace Chemicals
Yep,plus it makes more sense to not dedicate all their personnel to manning tanks when one guy can control a drone army especially if the city is eventually gonna be covered in fear toxin
Superman fans like me know how frustrating it is to constantly hear about how Superman COULD speed blitz everyone or immediately heat vision them or whatever, how if he wanted it you’d be dead already, and then we just…never get to see anything close to this. Instead he’s constantly forced into the position of being the guy to beat to show how cool someone else is
I wasnt expecting a guy with a spiderman pfp to elgantly and calmly explain the logic behind the arkham games, very good stuff.
Another thing that makes the arkham city moment where he wants to save talia first work is because when he needs to track down the league, oracle gets on his ass about makeing talia the most important part of his world so it makes sence in story why he wants to go after her first and proves that he doesn't always think the situations through if the once he cares about are in danger
1:46 another definition “character's indispensability to the plot of a novel, game, movie, etc., making the character impossible to kill or eliminate” basically means the character is invincible and can get away with/ survive everything that’s thrown at them even tho it’s absolutely impossible.
The Squad was definitely plot armor throughout the game. Arkham Batman never had plot armor.
I mean he might have had a couple instances of plot armor but I can’t think of any.
@@C0LIN.Most are from Arkham Knight tbh. I can't name any from Asylum, City and Origins. A lot of the Jason stuff is covered by Scarecrows plan but by the time Jason reveals himself, he's pretty much said "fuck the plan" and tries to kill Bruce twice. Then when he finally has a gun to his head... he takes time to bitch and exposit his motivation instead of killing him. It's not an egregious moment of plot armor but it's still plot armor
@@C0LIN. Atleast he didn’t have through all 4 of his entire games.
Yes
@@C0LIN.Not really
Explaining this logic to braindead Twitter randos would make you tear your hair out😂 Regardless, good video, you sir have earned a sub.
2:42 bro is spittin 😭😭
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The thing that irks me about sskjl is the fact that in the nightfall ending for AK Batman states that the idea of the Batman had to die for something greater which is why he faked his death and becomes the nightmare Batman, but after Superman calls Batman out for owning him $16 Batman is like ahh yeah it’s fine I’ll be Batman again… even though everyone knows his secret identity… the whole point of Batman is to strike fear into thugs, if he didn’t have the fear toxin he couldn’t do that anymore.
Yes this is a big issue. Batman as an identity for Bruce is dead. He became a new legend and myth to continue his work.
There is zero reason Batman should be in SSJL
@@boredomkiller99 legit lol.
You can’t argue with stupid people, it’s a never ending battle.
Why did u say stupid are u stupid (also why am i stupid should i go back to the aslume?)
That one comment about Batman falling off a building with Oracle and breaking the impact with his armor is funny because the exact same thing happens in The Dark Knight when Joker throws Rachel and no one bats an eye to some of the equally crazy shit that happens in that movie.
The only difference is that a car broke their fall and not the pavement. But no, it’s an unbridled masterpiece, apparently. Both work within the context of their stories, this is by no means meant to rag on either by the way. Both stories are (mostly) internally consistent and work with what they try to do. Arkham Knight gets too much of a bad wrap.
You could argue that in both instances, they used their capes to slow down their fall
What about isms doesn’t excuse the fact of plot armor, plot armor is almost in any story, the example you brought up of the dark knight is still plot armor, but that doesn’t make the story any less good. The issue is with many instances of plot armor where they become contrived.
@@beyond648 Yes you can, some things are easy to rationalize and neither are drawn back because of that, it’s just that one story is criticized for a litany of (I think) unfair reasons while another isn’t, at least as much.
@@pullupenthusiast3800 The Dark Knight and Arkham Knight have almost the same scenario, both work within the context of their settings and stories. This isn’t a knock on either, it’s just that some people have it backwards. And no, plot armor is in fact, not almost in any story. If a writer does a good enough job at making the stakes clear and giving the protagonist enough to work with while still struggling that is not plot armor.
@@25_jean_dark_52 How do you define plot armor
The Real plot armor is batman somehow doing all of this in 1 night without getting Tired.
He's trained himself to be at peak physical condition. So him doing it without getting tired makes a lot of sense.
@@vruxdrossgaming thank you and have a good day 💗
In a comic book yeah sure, in real life hed be crippled and slowed down years ago @@vruxdrossgaming
@@dc7981it’s almost as if this doesn’t take place in real life!
@@dc7981 fiction has this thing where its not real and therefore doesnt need to apply to real world rules
Ah yes Arkham Batman’s plot armor that meant he couldn’t save everyone, gets shot,stabbed,poisoned and beaten, has his girlfriend die,loses his adoptive son who comes back as a vengeful enemy who wants to kill him! Not to mention he needed help with Penguin and Killer Croc(who he admitted he would lose to in a fight all the way back in Asylum),gets routinely physically and psychological tortured,has Allies and friends turn on him because of threats or distrusting him! Almost abandons his current mission to save his friends and family until he’s forced by Alfred to return to the mission at hand, which in both cases leads to the presumed death of the individual, is haunted by his failures to save people and fakes his own fucking death to ensure the safety of his friends and family! How is any of that plot armor? He fails and can’t save everyone which takes a massive toll on him.
Its plot armor where Jason Todd, instead of knocking him out and bringing him to Scarecrow decides to shoot him and then tell the militia to take care of him (which means to kill him since those militian can actually kill you if you don't press any button). Also, if Scarecrow really wants Batman alive, why tf did 20 armed tank pulled up and started shooting at him when he saved Barbara? Why during gameplay litterally everyone is trying to kill you and not knocking you out? It feels like they want to kill Batman but when they got the chance thei suddently remember about "Scarecrow plan" and then they just give up
@@PannaCotta57 Bruh Jason and Scarecrow wanted Batman to suffer, besides he could easily escape any captivity they have since he would have upgraded his utility belt meaning if they tried to remove it, they’d be shocked, if anything it would be a stupid move for them to bring Batman to them and the tanks? Oh yeah, the tanks he’s easily fucking decimated so far,he could have the Batwing fire upon from above(which Jason would know about and thus inform Scarecrow) plus knowing Batman he likely developed two prototypes of the Batmobile in case one was destroyed or damaged which we see is the case! Edit:that’s also not counting the fact that Batman’s utility belt has a tracker and either Robin and or Nightwing could find him and break him out! And in terms of your “well the militia kill him in game play!” That’s not canon nor is it a feasible option, by that logic Professor Pyg,Mad Hatter,Deadshot or heck any random thug off the street has the capability to kill Batman, I hope I don’t have to explain how outlandish,illogical and nonsensical of a option that is!
@@PannaCotta57 Knocking and bringing an escape artist and martial artist who on his person has a belt containing a myriad of technological equipment that only he can remove is not a sound strategy! Also they wanted him to witness Barbara’s “death”, that’s pretty hard to do when he call the Batmobile or Batwing, Fire a smoke/tear gas round to disorient everyone and take them down,break through the glass(or open the door though he’d risk being exposed to fear gas) and realize “Barbara isn’t here!”
@@henrygambles3652 So they want Batman alive therfore they attack him with tanks and soldiers because they're sure that he'll defeat them all. Is that your point? If thats the case, having an army its completely usless since they are just sent do die for no reason. What if a tank hitted Batman before he could call his Batmobile in the saving Barbara scene? Its not an impossible scenario, i would say its pretty likely so even in that case Scarecrow was not trying to kill Batman? As for the belt, i think That Jason and/or Scarecrow would be more than capable of removing it, hell if even the main villain isn't able to remove a belt i don't know what to say. They could just hold Batman at gunpoint and ordering him to remove the belt while he's locked up in a cell or something. The possibilities are endless. Its possible to trap batman as we can see in the Arkam city DLC. Also i'm not sure if Scarecrow wanted Batman to witness Barbara's real death. When He dropped her from the building i dont think he was expecting Batman to see it
Edid: yeah, i said that soldier went to die but they didn't. I think you get my point anyway
@@PannaCotta57 Yes, they know they soldiers and tanks stand no chance against him, that’s not the point, they’re meant to slow him down and distract him! Ah yes Tanks that are known for power and not known for accuracy and it’s not like Batman is a “master of stealth”..oh wait! No they wouldn’t, Batman improves throughout each games and would likely improve his technology, if Scarecrow tried to remove it, he’d get 60,000 volts to the face, Jason you could maybe make an argument for but given his presumed death Id say it’s unlikely! Ah yes, a gun, Batman has never faced anyone wielding a gun except Joker,Harley Quinn,Penguin,Two Face,Deadshot,Deathstroke,Black Mask and several armed thugs, also he’s not afraid to die and they don’t want to kill him, what’s that going to do? No there are no possibilities because Batman is still just as capable and would take them down at this point, besides they want him to suffer, you don’t make someone suffer by doing it rapidly, you draw it out, let them believe they have a chance to stop it only to crush their hopes at the exact moment! if you Were talking about him after Barbara is presumed deceased, then yes I’d agree but you’re not! That’s Not what I’m referring to and you know it! Again there’s also Robin and Nightwing who are available at various points(or at least until the Panessa Studios in the case of Robin) Robin on his own would lose to Jason but Nightwing as stated in Arkham VR by Batman is “The Best Fighter I’ve ever trained!” By the time SSKTJL rolls around, he states that Robin and Nightwing with help from Oracle are the only people who can beat him, and Jason wouldn’t stand a chance against Nightwing nor would the Militia! They’re drawing things out because they want to make him believe he has a chance to stop them only to crush his hopes! Edit: also Jason is angry and vengeful, by no means is he an idiot but he’s impatient and impulsive, he’s not going to KO him!
Perfectly explains why Man is the goat and Squad has plot armor the Man Ham games are some of my favorite games
1:09 "What it plot armor?" I know it's a simple typo but it just made me laugh a bit.
This whole story gets way dumber when you realize an airstrike ends our cast immediately. Something that becomes even worse when the justice league members CAN do that.
Regarding the titan in Batman's body from the glowing eyes thing, I think his right arm is slightly thicker than his left, considering that his right arm starter to mutate from being injected with Titan. I could be wrong, tho.
He was gripping his arm really hard during that, like he was resisting which the joker didn't appreciate and tried to tickle him with a feather.
@@arjuna6224that whole scene was better than Suicide Squad
@@jjeffrey7966 true
1:09 "what it plot armor?"
Joker took over then was stuck with more fear so the fear of joker was being forgotten so it was jokers fear that beat him
Mitchell was a passionate gamer and a fan of the Batman Arkham series. He had a RUclips channel where he posted videos of his gameplay, analysis, and opinions on various aspects of the games. He had a loyal fan base who appreciated his insights and humor, but he also faced a lot of criticism and hate from some people who disagreed with him or just wanted to troll him.
One day, he uploaded a video titled "Why Batman Arkham Knight is better than Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League". In the video, he compared the two upcoming games based on their trailers, gameplay mechanics, story, and characters. He argued that Arkham Knight was superior in every way, and that Suicide Squad was a lazy cash grab that betrayed the essence of the DC universe. He also pointed out some of the flaws and inconsistencies in the Suicide Squad trailer, such as the unrealistic physics, the bland dialogue, and the lack of stakes.
He expected his video to get a lot of views and likes, but he also knew that it would attract a lot of backlash from the fans of Suicide Squad and the DC Extended Universe. He was prepared for that, and he even enjoyed engaging in some friendly debates with his viewers. However, he was not prepared for the amount of hate and abuse that he received from some of the comments.
He decided to read some of the comments on his video, hoping to find some constructive feedback or interesting perspectives. He opened his laptop and scrolled through the comments section. He saw a mix of positive and negative comments, some of which he replied to. Here are some of the comments and his replies:
@Rio_REAL
5 minutes ago
The only thing about the tanks is that they don't use any of the heavy rounds against the wall. You know the one's they shoot at the batmobile to damage it.
Then again scarecrow doesn't want them dead so they could be waiting for reinforcements to capture batman and it's just suppressing fire.
Colin.
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Mitchell
4 minutes ago
@Rio_REAL Thanks for the comment, Colin. I agree that the tanks are not trying to kill Batman, but they are still a threat that he has to deal with. The heavy rounds are not effective against the wall, but they are effective against other vehicles and structures. The batmobile is also not invincible, and it can take damage from the tanks and other enemies. The tanks are not the main focus of the game, but they are part of the challenge and the atmosphere of the game. I think they add to the gameplay and the story, rather than detract from it.
@baligong3592
@baligong3592
6 minutes ago (edited)
I like that one comment that states Batman is fighting a Crocodile-Man, not realising Killer Croc isn't a Crocodile. He's a Human with a Severe Skin conditions who's modified in the series to look more like one.
Everything related to Batman makes sense here. Suicide Squad does not
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Mitchell
5 minutes ago
@baligong3592 I appreciate your support, mate. Yeah, some people don't seem to know much about the Batman lore and the characters. Killer Croc is one of my favorite villains, and I think he was done justice in the Arkham series. He is not a crocodile, but he is a formidable foe for Batman. Suicide Squad, on the other hand, does not make sense at all. How can a bunch of human criminals take on Superman and the Justice League? How can they even survive in a city full of metahumans and aliens? It's just ridiculous and unrealistic.
@justrandomstuff6828
@justrandomstuff6828
7 minutes ago
The people trying to defend The Squad are trying to point fingers at the Arkham Series? That's not how you defend something, if something happen to be true (wich I doubt), then they'll just admit a flaw! Barman doesn't have both plot armor and a game that sucks!
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Mitchell
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@justrandomstuff6828 Exactly, mate. You can't defend something by attacking something else. That's just a logical fallacy. If you like Suicide Squad, that's fine, but don't try to bash Arkham Knight to make it look better. Arkham Knight is a masterpiece of a game, and it does not have plot armor. Batman is not invincible, he is vulnerable and he makes mistakes. He faces real consequences and challenges, and he has to overcome them with his skills and his will. He is not a god, he is a man. A man who can do extraordinary things, but still a man. That's what makes him a great hero and a great character.
This Mitchell guy sounds like a cool person
@ComposedSage75 I would like to read your comment I really... but I had a flashbang the moment I opened it, so please, please make sure to split your comment into multiple paragraphs. P.S I did in the end read your comment and the entire I was taking tick dmg but it was insightful to read.
When I see people complaining about batman being a regular human not being able to do these things, I feel like they forget this I fiction,hell people can’t even hold someone by one arm in real life,of course Batman can do these things since it’s not real.
I can’t wait for people to say Batman not paying taxes is aslo a plot hole
Except he does.
rich people don’t pay taxes, pretty realistic imo
@@tombishop2660 Bruce Wayne pays taxes. Look it up. In fact, Superman is the one who doesn’t pay taxes.
@@MetamanW I know, but if he didn’t, people would still complain
@@MetamanW yea idc if he does or not it’s not that deep i was just making a joke lol
The mary sue point can be quite easily debunked because we get to see the flaws of batman in Arkham Origins when he was still young and inexperienced, the arkham series from then shows us a much more mature and experienced batman with all of his skills mastered. And even then we still see flaws from such as him refusing to accept any help or lacking self confidence. All of the other traits of perfection we see in him in AK are a double edge sword.
The only real plot armor is when they dropped the another batmobile after saying that the batmobile is a one of a kind
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OH!? WOW! A MAIN CHARACTER HAVING PLOT ARMOR!? Everybody, EVERY main character has at least SOME plot armor... The thing is, a lot of character's are able to hide it... Like Arkham Batman being able to stay awake for multiple days, or basically do ANYTHING he does in the game, even if he has billions of dollars, he shouldn't be able to get military-grade tech, he shouldn't be able to outrun bullets, but guess what? IT'S A PIECE OF FICTION! HELL! READ COMICS! COMIC BATMAN HAS LEAPED 100 FEET BEFORE!!! Holy shit... I think I'm losing braincells from this...
I literally explained this, again PAY ATTENTION
@@C0LIN. Oh, I did, I was just saying this to any idiot watching, love the vid, Colin, you did a great job, man.
The thing is calling it plot armor, since that's a term supposed to be used to call out instances of the plot very clearly leaning towards the character without any sort of plausibility, the thing that makes a story flow well is by making the situations feel natural even if it's too "convenient" that the protagonist survives, but people like calling any instance of that plot armor because they like to feel smarter thinking "well a normal human wouldn't be able to survive this", imagine if after hearing a real survival story about a person who came out of a very unlikely situation you say that it was plot armor and then you realize how stupid it is
YAPPING OF THE YAPPINGTONS JUST ADMIT IT BATMAN DID NOT USE PLOT ARMOUR DID HE USE PLOT ARMOUR ON JOHONNY CHARISMA NO
@@natalieDziadon I think that Batman staying awake for a full night while taking down an entire private army, a long with a bat-man creature, a gang leader, another gang leader, a man with an army of basically zombies, a flying pyromaniac, a whole league of ninjas, and a gigantic Crocodile man is at least SLIGHT plot armor, I'm not saying it ruins the game, no, it's not Stupid Squad levels of Plot Armor, but then again, nothing has that level of plot armor, hell, I fucking love the Arkham Games, they're literally my top 4 Superhero video games, but I'm just saying, basically all of main characters in media have Plot Armor, but it the story works when you make it not do much that the characters kill someone who is basically a fucking God(You can guess which game I'm talking about).
At the end, Batman relied on Jason to save him from scarecrow. That was really unexpected and Batman would've died right then and there if his enemy from 10 minutes ago didn't appear and save his life.
The only plot armor Batman has is having the world's strongest liver to be tolerate all the various toxins he's been injected with throughout each game. I'd imagine he could make a living off of drinking competitions😄
Another thing that makes me mad is the fact people say Jason being impulsive is a bad thing as if he wasnt tortured for over a year whilst being brainwashed into thinking Batman just cast him aside for a new Robin. It makes complete sense for him to be so hot-headed.
The people trying to defend The Squad are trying to point fingers at the Arkham Series? That's not how you defend something, if something happen to be true (wich I doubt), then they'll just admit a flaw! Barman doesn't have both plot armor and a game that sucks!
Yeah trashing on another trilogy to defend plot armor from an objectively garbage game isn’t gonna debunk anything I don’t get how they don’t realize that😂..
@@Cosmicmoralesi mean it’s a game set in the same universe so bringing up plot armor points that happen in the same universe seems like a solid defense
@jaydantastic3529 but when people ignore, context ignore alot of events etc etc like the people trying to defend this game it falls flat and its pathetic. Like the classic excuse is we know in arkham knight jason just doesnt kill batman cause he wants him to suffer and when he does want to kill him you can tell hes a conflicted emotional mess and wanted to that one last thing to rub it by using his mentors own words against him before victory as a final fuck you. But this game please try and defend why batman beat the league down first, missed shooting harley, knocked out flash. Had the perfect opportunity to kill harley and he doesnt. Explain that or superman the moment he grabs the boomerang why didn't he just heat vision them all? Hes right there not holding back so what the fuck same with green lantern why didnt he just do what he did again at the start? Seeing the problems here?
@@jaydantastic3529 Let's be honest the Flop Squad had way more plot armor than Batman. Like a lot more in fact it's ridiculous how much plot armor they have. There's no reality where the Suicide Squad beats the Justice League that's just stupid. Batman by himself could take out the Squad with no difficulty. In fact he did both in the animated movie and game. But plot armor came in and he got stupidwashed so he can have a lazy death.
I just can take anyone who defends SSKJL seriously.
What is there to defend? Nothing.
0:26 the suicide squad story may be bad, but nothing is worse than Megamind vs the Doom Syndicate.
The worst example of plot armor that I have ever seen is during the Battle of Winterfell when Briene and Jamie get legitimately covered in a wave of White Walkers only to somehow survive.
In 13:07 i think the person needs to understand is that they were showing us how strong minded batman is and that he can lock away his biggest fear in order to save gotham
22:38 It's astounding how you manage to tolerate some of these comments. They always end the same way. They'll make a stupid claim, reply with a surface level observation or just blatantly lie about the details, then get mad when they have no argument by saying something snarky or condescending.
As a fan of batman, I can agree that there is some suspension of disbelief required for the batman games, not because he doesn't have armor. I actually watched a video on shin godzilla, in which the person talked about the issue with his "thick impenetrable skin" due to the fact that physical force exists. The impact of numerous rocks, bullets, and other things would indeed take a toll. Not to mention that batman seems to have some sort of time dilation to be able to do what he does through the course of these games. That said, even if he has a minor amount of plot armor in that regard, it is still nothing in comparison to the four idiots being able to deal any sort of death blow to the most powerful beings in their world. All of them should have been at least hospitalized fighting any 1 member of the justice league, let alone one in which thier restraints of not killing have been removed. Not to mention that Amanda Waller would have personally injected bombs in thier brains and been threatening to kill them for not reaching objectives fast enough. Did the developers even watch assault on arkham? They fucked the game up within the first minute of the fucking game.
The only thing about the tanks is that they don't use any of the heavy rounds against the wall. You know the one's they shoot at the batmobile to damage it.
Then again scarecrow doesn't want them dead so they could be waiting for reinforcements to capture batman and it's just suppressing fire.
This is actually a better argument then I made come to think of it
@@C0LIN.Yeah especially since the wall is basically at their hight when he drops the batmobile, like a second later and they would be getting hit
15:37 preach my guy, you really paid attention to every detail in the arkham games
Batman surviving Bane for the millionth time while wearing sci fi armor isn't plot armor.
Evil Superman (with genius Brainiac backing him) choosing not to ram at supersonic speed this 3 humans and still just a shark man for no real reason is plot armor.
Excellent video with all great points
Bro I love watching your vids BECAUSE YOU MAKE VALID POINTS THAT PEOPLE seem like they choose to ignore you can’t even post your opinions without other getting mad
Aye man hope u get better from being sick man have a good day and fire video always making my day 👍🏻
Hope you’re feeling better
Wait so he cured himself of the Titan infection and Joker disease but his eyes turn green because of the Titan infection? I gotta rewatch that cause that doesn't make sense.
i think it’s kinda funny how we can excuse “scarecrow told jason not to kill batman” yet outside of the actual boss fights we can’t excuse “brainiac told the JL not to kill the suicide squad” and even after they kill the JL brainiac still didn’t want them dead
1. Scarecrow and Jason wanna torture Batman and get to him mentally by having him continue to fail to stop them
2. The only League member told to keep the squad alive was Batman, and there’s still numerous other things wrong with that fight. Also Brainiac can still keep them alive and capture them easily with his freeze tech and teleporter
Stop talking
@@C0LIN. you’re a one and doner tryna argue someone actively playing the game and replaying it to search for things i missed, the batman is giving them orders to not waste time with the squad but batman obviously isn’t blindly giving orders so guess who has to be telling him to do that? please actually play the game instead of “game bad cuz i don’t wanna pay attention since they killed my daddy”
@@C0LIN. also you people and others keep bringing up “brainiac could’ve just warped the squad the entire time but if that’s the case why didn’t he do that to the justice instead of inviting them onto his ship and risking them immediately not trusting him and just blowing it tf up? you keep using that as a way to instantly take out the squad but you’re just assuming you know how it works, based on the entire game (which you would know if you payed attention) all instances of warping happen when the target is in a genuine area, where as the squad who is constantly moving around the city wouldn’t be confined into a smaller area which i assume is how the freezing works, it most likely has a “target must be still so the target can be locked in for this action”
@@jaydantastic3529 U bringing up another plot hole doesn’t fix the single plot hole, you’re using headcanon to defend the game. When u establish a character has an ability that broken there needs to be an explanation why he can’t use it.
@@jaydantastic3529 Yes meaning Brainiac either wants them dead or captured and literally everyone in the league except for Batman try to kill them. And it’s funny Batman tells everyone not to play around yet that’s exactly what he does in his fight.
U haven’t countered a single point I’ve made lmfao
The only plot armor is where he got hit by a titan dart (note I only watch all cut scene videos of Arkham batman since I don't have any Arkham game so if there is an explanation to why I may have missed) and didn't turn into a titan except that everything is consistent except batman not stopping rock n roll forever
Do you agree that Flash and Superman are smarter than Batman
@Phetso-fh8ce well those that aren't from ssktjl tho it's kind of a debate since they can think faster than a human brain but batman (going on and on and eventually losing the topic)
@@genesismultiverse4896 so does being able to think and perceive things faster than batman automatically make you smarter than him?
@Phetso-fh8ce to be honest it kinda depends but I would say batman is smarter
@@genesismultiverse4896 i agree with you there. Its not like im undermining Flash and superman's intelligence. I think that the only ones that can rival or even outsmart batman are Bane and Cyborg
Its hard to say when a video game character has plot armor considering the fact that its a game and your supposed to win. You can beat some games without taking any damage at all which can go against or for the narrative of a character. For example in the Bayonetta games the titular character canonically never takes any damage in any fight shes in which works in gameplay because your rewarded for playing as well as possible and not getting hit.
16:43 Also, the weaker part of his armor is his back as the front looks to seem to have more metal
Amazing Lucas as reverse flash is crazy 😂
15:21 this is actually incorrect as he hallucinates jokers face on Mr. freeze when hes beating on him in city.
Sorry if this is a late reply but tbh what I think is that that was just showing the infection getting more to Batman plus he couldn’t get the cure till the end of the game since Mr freeze breaks one of them and Harley stole the other one making Batman having to do more work
City or Knight? I personally have only played Knight but have heard really good things about city. Should I play it?
100% play the other 3 too
Asylum, City, and Origins are all amazing
Play all of them
@@C0LIN. cool thanks
@@nathanadams7595 cool thanks
My boy Spider-Man coming in to defend Bruce
i never understood why no one has ever shot batman in the mouth which is the only exposed point.
I get the bat on his chest is meant to distract but no one’s ever to my knowledge ever has gotten smart enough or have that bad aim where he gets shot by someone smart enough or a stray shot in the most vulnerable spot.
I do remember hearing in the comics someone was wise enough to shoot his mouth, but there was like a screen with his mouth there or something there but idk the context.
Doesn’t take away my enjoyment of batman or makes me think Arkham batman has plot armor I just think everyone out to kill him that he fights is just that dumb, besides mainline comics.
It's hard asf to aim at someone's mouth when there is a literal 6 feet demon bat is charging at you about to beat your ass to the point that you wont be able to walk for 6 months
BECAUSE HE'S BATMAN, duh
21:15 thats a cool detail I cant believe i never noticed that symbol there
There’s a clear reason he survived that stuff, *HISHE voice* BECAUSE HE’S BATMAN!!!!!
Great video, but i think its important to add that the reason scarecrow and arkham knight didnt man the tanks is because THEY DIDNT KNOW BATMAN HAS A TANK!! The Tankmobile was a brand new vehicle that nobody was aware of until batman strated using it in the beginning of the game, as stated by multiple voice lines of the militia soldiers, they thought he still has his original batmobile and one unmaned tank was enough to take it down so they planned to use the extra manpower to conquer gotham instead of wasting it on manning the tanks
This made my day at 11 p.m. but we will ignore that
Ok
Guys I completed the main story of Arkham knight for the first time it took me 4 years but I’m so happy
The L2 rush guy didn't even give you a reason to how you sounded stupid💀😭
I’d also like to mention that brainiacs “Invasion” is as entirely localized within Metropolis. From what we’ve seen In the story, such as Gotham and Arkham asylum, they seem completely unaffected by Brainiac. I’m sure the story explains it, but when brainiac has both the entire justice league and the ability to alter time it’s self, it just seems like a excuse to not have multiple settings in the game (which it could of benefit from)
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I'm only confused about how the titan in his system didn't turn him into a hulking titan before the joker boss fight in asylum. Did they explain that or not? Genuine question, i never played asylum, only city
Batman isn't infected in Asylum. That happens in City. The Joker is dying because of the Titan, so he traps Batman and infuses his own blood into Bats. That way Batman has no other choice but find a cure for both.
@@Dante02d12he is talking about the scene where the joker injects batman with the Titan serum and batman resisted it.
You have to remember, that when they wrote that the story to AA they probably weren't even thinking about AC yet.
@@jjeffrey7966 ok, you're most likely right. Thanks again
He was resisting the change because unlike normal people, in Arkham Asylum he had to go through a lot of trauma during the scarecrow encounters where scarecrow makes him hallucinate his dead dad and mom talking straight to his face and also making him witness the experience again, batman resisted and had overcome many obstacles and this shows how resistant he is.
Him resisting the effects of Titan serum isn't all that crazy. The key here is that he was resisting, which doesn't mean the serum is not working, he's just holding and gripping his arm tight enough, the joker tries to even tickle him during this moment.
I haven't even played all the Arkham games, and even I know that the amount of plot armor the Squad had in their one game completely dwarfs any plot armor Arkham Batman might have had in all four of his games, six if you count Origins Blackgate and VR which not many people do. Assuming he even had any at all which I highly doubt.
Batman doesn't pay taxes.
15:35 during the mr freeze fight he has a joker hallucination
He still had a doze of the joker venom in him. It was the venom who made his vr nightmare, and it was the venom who made him put guns on his car. The toxin amplified his sickness by making him fear he was close to the end, but when he became fearless, he did not force the sickness out just the fear toxin. Jokers blood was still in his body, and as evidenced by the Joker guys in the movie studio, the cure Mr. Freeze made had rare but major flaws. Batman was one of those movie studios.
5:38 hey that’s me! 😂
Batman is the character that has the most plot armor. Writers tend to give him that and combine it with stuff like nerfing his opponent so he could come out on top. I can immediately think about an instance in Arkham Knight where he has plot armor and his enemy is purposefully nerfed. In the boss fight with Deathstroke Batman manages to defeat Slade by knocking him out mid air and then putting him to sleep by punching him in the head. That is literally impossible. Deathstroke is a superhuman that has the strength of 10 men combined. He has healing. He has super reflexes and super speed. He can use 90% of his brain capacity and has mastered plenty of martial arts and also is a specialist in all kinds of swords, pistols, rifles and so on. And he has deadly accuracy. The dude has fough with Superman. Has defeated part of the Justice League all by himself. Has defeated the Teen Titans who literally have superpowers. And yet we're supposed to believe that Batman defeated that same guy by knocking him out mid air? Slade literally has super reflexes and speed. He could have dodged that and literally shot Bruce in the head. Literally everything that Batman has in terms of human capabilities Deathstroke has it x10. And yet he just manages to defeat the guy by punching him in the face. You literally need to punch the normal goons several times in the head before you knock em out but you can one shot Deathstroke? Totally not plot armor right? Also you literally shot yourself in the foot. So you're saying that the reason Batmam can withstand being punched by Bane. Bane! The dude that has 20x the strength of a normal human is because he has protective armor? Ok so if you walk Batman up in any of the games to a bunch of goons with that same exact armor and let the goons punch him and stab him with knives he literally dies. With that same armor he dies by being punched by goons that are way below his level but somehow conveniently when the time comes that same armor becomes so strong that he can take punches by Bane that throw him through walls. Punches that are literally 20x stronger than those of the goons that can kill him with normal punches. He should literally be dead immediately or have his body completely broken down. Also as you progress through games like Arkham City you can see how you armor gets thorn apart by all the fights. By literally punches, stabs and bullets but that same armor can magically withstand punches from Bane or heavy debris falling on top of him and he shakes it off like it's nothing but can die from being punched by goons.
Yes he does. In Arkham City he is completely stuck under rubble and would’ve died but it was because of Talia he was saved. She had been mad at Batman and had reason too let him die. But right after that Black Cat saves him from the rubble even though she would’ve gotten a big payday if she left. Which the game gives you the option too! And if you decide to leave him he ends up dying. But the game puts you back and forces you to save him.
Being saved by another person doesnt give a character "plot armor" lmao
@@neinja66469I mean when said character only knows the other person is about to die because of some random security feed that has little reason being there.
This is like probably the only time it's blatant.
Great video !
I loved and agree with all your counter arguments
7:45 Also this is proven in the first game where Batman was in a building that got blown up and just after that he survived and walked out fighting two brutes and a massive version of the Joker, he's a legend 🔥
Meh, when most of your rebuttals are acceptance of plot armor because they’re consistently used throughout multiple games, it cheapens the definition
Spider-Man 2 has anti-plot armor. Remember that even though his spider sense does not work on Venom he still has super reflexes and yet Mary Jane takes the blow for him. Not only that, he also gets pinned down by a refrigerator of all things. He gets pinned down by a lot of things in the second game.
Peter literally does react to it if u slow down the scene, he’s just surprised by MJ jumping in front of him. The fridge thing is fair but changes nothing about the plot if he gets up 5 seconds earlier.
The face change is some pretty bad plot armor
20:00 Batman always wins and is flawless? Whatever its flaws, Batman: Arkham Knight is all about Batman facing down the consequences of his worst failures all at once, eventually resulting in his loss of identity and his reputation, forcing him to have to fake his own death and go underground with a new persona (as another version of Batman did at the end of The Dark Knight Returns).
Simplified version of the video Batman doesn’t have plot armor he is just him and has strong armour
This video was so good, I had a really good time watching all those comments😂 I instantly subscribed
9:29 mute point because if they tied hostages to the tanks IT WOULD REALLY BE A CHALLANGE FOR BATMAN, THEREFORE HE WOULD NEED TO BE AT HIS BEST. you can go either way with it but really just proves that the drones are just there for slop explosions to keep the player engaged.
17:59 how does he feel like a robot first and foremost? Because he shown emotion another thing are you trolling?
Used to use all these criticisms honestly but after replaying it the story holds up much better
Actually, Batman does hallucinate the Joker prior to the fear toxin dose in Arkham Knight
When you're in the central mixing chamber, at a certain point, the Scarecrow silhouettes head will be replaced by the Jokers head.
It's really subtle and most people miss it but people used freecam and showed that on the model, Jokers head has replaced Scarecrows.
Actually it goes back to even city when you're beating down on mr freeze his face is replaced with jokers and you hear his laugh.
16:35 Makes more sense than basically somebody clearly didn’t pay attention to the game to be honest for me I don’t fully remember it but thankfully considering there’s a large capital of people playing the old Gotham games I’m more than inclined wanna brush up back on the old stuff just to see what I’ve missed
15:13 that don’t make sense respectfully. It shows a flashback of him and him and Jim Gordon in the bat cave and he knows he’s the last Gordon and him and the jokers have the real joker’s blood.
His suit is only as strong as plot requires
Plot Armor is flash refusing to Stop Time (From his POV) and instantly murder the entire suicide squad.
batman regularly defeats his entire rogues gallery and several armies worth of goons in these game often in just one, he doesnt just have plot armor he has the whole plot tactical armory
'A normal human beat killer croc' meanwhile ssktjl 3/4 regular ass humans beat flash superman green lantern
ngl i by that the suicide squad could beat the justice leauge
@@mrmelonman2893Explaination?
@@mrmelonman2893no they can't wym,