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Byzantine types ships continue to be made and used as very effective fishing and merchant ships after the fall of Byzantium and developed to what is known as traditional Greek ships. For example the boat Karavoskaro (Καραβόσκαρο) is a development of Dromon. An other one is Perama Πέραμα etc
Greek fire was used against Ottomans in the siege of Constantinople in1422, also in 1430 in the siege of Thessaloniki and planned to be used in 20 April 1453 against Ottoman ships.
This is sick. Such an interesting topic I've often wondered about, and only Kings and Generals covers such things. So important with how their naval interactions with the Italian Republics influenced their fate, too.
yeah so better than the praetorian which was bloated and which disposed and killed more emperors than romes enemies, while the varangian done it twice i think @@zxera9702
Nikephoros Phokas's naval operation and landing on Crete against the Saracens, was the equivalent of the medieval Normandy operation. We are talking about a huge operation for the navy standards of the time, which give us an idea, about the capabilities of the Byzantine navy. Then after Michael VIII, Andronikos II Palaiologos, a disastrous emperor, was the tombstone of the Byzantine navy.
Although the recipe for Greek Fire was lost to the ages, the flamethrower design found its way to China. The Pen Huo Qi (literally means "fire spraying device") first saw action in the 10th century, during the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period. It's design was based on the blueprints of seventh century Byzantine siphons, with Chinese engineers improving on the design by adding an extra bellow. This upgrade allowed Chinese fire siphons to achieve a more continuous flame, therefore allowing them to fire a constant stream of fire using liquid naphtha like modern day flamethrowers rather than in short bursts as the Byzantine siphons were only capable of. Just like the Byzantines, the Chinese made use of these crude flamethrowers offensively by mounting them onto the prow of their warships, or bringing them to the battlefield on four wheeled pushcarts. However the Chinese tended to use them defensively, as they would often mount their flamethrowers on the walls of cities or forts where the garrison could fire down upon enemy soldiers assaulting the walls or to burn down incoming siege engines such as rams or siege towers.
history like this will make you think why would you hate China. They're thousand years older than USA. They had survived literally since ancient times. Great innovators and a fertile race in a fertile land they owned with rich culture. Survived a lot of crisis by keeping on rising on power even after major defeat (like the mongol conquest)
@@99Lowel There a caveats. You can love the people, but hate the government. Russia, China, and Iran have many fine respectable people who can be among your cherished friends. Their authoritarian governments and politics, however, are all rubbish.
It would also have been interesting to document the Byzantine breakaway states (Trebizond especially); did they try and rebuild an Imperial fleet as well?
Hey, can you guys do a video on the Assyrian empires, rise and fall of it, it’s language, culture, religion and their eventual conversion to Christianity, and how the modern Assyrians are related to them.
Good video! I was sort of hoping the half-Italian admiral Licario would get mention, interesting story there! Also cool were some of the large, horse-carrying ships such as those employed under the Komnenoi. But, enjoyed this!
Great video! The navy was the underappreciated branch of the Roman and Byzantine militaries. 15:15 looks like it has a minor editing mistake: you were talking about the siege in 1453, but the date stamp on the upper right corner says 1349. Just thought you'd want to know.
These flame equipped ships would also carry their own sand, vinegar, or other flame snuffing material even if their opponents had no incendiaries, because blowback or residual burning oil dribbling down onto one's own ship tended to happen frequently.
I really want to know the reaction of those who witnessed the flamethrowers on the Byzantine ships for the first time. The fact that it spews fire that not even water can put out must be thought of something like it came from another world.
At some point it would be interesting to see some stuff about the Vandals and goths - if anything exists to tell. They always seem to do surprisingly well against the Romans so there must have been alot more to their society than is suggested
They seemed to do so well against the empire because they had a knack for waiting until the empire was suffering from severe crises (like the crisis of the third century), then pouring over an undefended border and marauding at will with no legions to stop them. The exception to that would be the battle of Adrianople and the years immediately following, but even then the Roman defeat is due to the emperor ignoring some of the oldest rules in the book... like "don't have your men fight in scorching summer heat when they're already exhausted after a long march in the scorching summer heat" and "don't underestimate your opponent - if reinforcements are on the way, make camp and wait for them before beginning the battle." The Goths and Vandals of the fifth century did so well because the WRE was so broke that it barely even had an army anymore, and half the time, the army that it DID have, was led by a half-Goth or half-Vandal and three quarters of its soldiers were Goths and Vandals lol.
Yes. Starting from fact that they WERE Romans. Vandals sacked Rome acting under orders of legal Emperor against usurper. Ostrogoths actually were Roman Auxiliary unit what take control over Rome after that. In fact Senate of Rome was operating under they rule, until Longobards. Idea that West Rome fall is a misconception. Francorum was actually a Roman province. It is just that East Rome didn't recognize them as Romans and as result Charlemagne used succession crisis in Byzantium and liberation of Rome by his father, as justification for taking the title of Emperor of Rome.
love kingsandgenerals , big fan , i just wanted to mention that last naval win of byzantium was the battle of glarentza , i hope in your next video you mention the epriote attempt to sieze power in the peloponese
Byzantine types ships continue to be made and used as very effective fishing and merchant ships after the fall of Byzantium and developed to what is known as traditional Greek ships. For example the boat Karavoskaro (Καραβόσκαρο) is a development of Dromon. An other one is Perama Πέραμα etc
Justine reforms are the reasons that the empire survived this long. he almost improved every department of the empire. that's why people know him as Justinian the Great.👑
i own a bronze Follis from Justinian 1, i was playing with it in my hand when he was mentioned. strange to think i own a piece of metal that was created when he was alive, watching about byzantine history on youtube whilst holding a piece of history in my hand.. we forget sometimes how lucky we are to have untapped knowledge so easily accessible.
also, the lack of great naval powers led to a huge rise in piracy. in the past, these great naval powers policed the seas, and kept piracy down, but as the romans took everyone down they did not keep up the practice as much as their enemies did, so piracy grew, this is how it is possible for someone like caesar to get kidnapped by pirates, but pompey would eventually fix this
i've been obsessed with learning about fire ships for like a year now and how they let that technology disappear for so long. btw do you still watch vaush?
Not at all mysterious why they got rid of the bow ram, of course it was the Varangian guards (Norse) who told them a thing or two about how important it is to have a maneuverable and light ship. You won't be crushed by the waves if you're on top of them
Byzantine army… one of a kind! Unfortunately surrounded by many enemies and our “allies” were hating us more than our enemies so we ended up like this…
This is nothing to do with the Byzantine Navy, but maybe putting together playlists for the American Revolution, War of 1812, and the American Civil War. Let me know what you think.
Much respect for your work, as always it was and awesome video. One gripe thought, when you are depicting Constantinople, you are always showing an artist render of Hagia Sophia with 4 towers in the corners. I’m sure you guys know this, but those tall slim towers are actually minarets, which were added after the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 15th century when it was converted into a mosque. This is of course very inaccurate and misleading as it’s trying to depict a Christian Byzantine (Roman) Empire capitol by showing a later Ottoman version of its most important church and visually stunning landmark building.
@@AL_AFGHANI1not sure what your comment has anything to do with the original post… he literally just said that at the time the Hagia Sophia was without the four minarets and that it should be depicted as such when showcasing that time period
@@charliebarkshire4320 He's a troll. Whenever there's a video about the ERE the comments usually get flooded by Turks who like to gloat about the conquest of Constantinople. They also like to claim that every famous conqueror from history was a Turk. Attila, Genghis, Saladin, Charlemagne, Napoleon, the Sea Peoples... they were all Turks according to Turks. And of course their empire was the bestest ever, even though it isn't known for anything other than onion hats and genocide in the Balkans and Armenia.
This was a great look into the Eastern Roman Navy maybe we can see a video on the Ottoman Navy next. Or even the navies of other Eastern Roman enemies.
What was the symbol for the Vandal ship flag? That had better not have been the Black Sun. That symbol would be entirely ahistorical as it’s only ever been used in Himmler’s private castle and no other area. That would also make it a hate symbol.
Yeah, after all recorded history is lost to the great nuclear war and future generations are left to make archeological guesses about things we do today, I could see a lot of parallels to Greek fire. "we don't know exactly how it worked, or who invented it, and it didn't make people unbeatable, but it definitely struck fear into the hearts of the enemy."
Just to point out, greek fire was actually called roman fire. Usage of the term "Greek fire" has been general in English and most other languages since the Crusades, but original Roman sources called the substance a variety of names, such as "sea fire" (Medieval Greek: πῦρ θαλάσσιον pŷr thalássion), "Roman fire" (πῦρ ῥωμαϊκόν pŷr rhōmaïkón). Never in the eastern roman history as it called "greek fire" other than in modern days.
They called it Υγρόν πύρ - Liquid fire or pŷr thalássion (as you mentioned). They never call it Roman fire. You have obviously made this up out of your imagination. It was called "Greek fire" by the westerners, because the Eastern Roman empire was known as Greek empire.
@@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide I'd recommend you read roman sources before commenting an ignorant comment.. All the information we have on Greek fire comes from references in Roman military manuals, and a number of secondary historical sources and contemporary chroniclers of the period, who referred to the substance as “sea fire”, “Roman fire”, “liquid fire”. Read the stretegikon of Maurice for proof. And the west called it a Greek empire to solidify their own right to the title of romans. As there couldn't be two roman empires.
@@jackmack6217 Liquid fire was invented around 672 AD, by an engineer from Heliopolis, Syria (today's Baalbek) named Callinicos. the Emperor Maurice died in 27 November 602... strange. Perhaps besides emperor and general, he was also a prophet. And one more thing, the book was written in Greek language (I am Greek). You have read only the translation. Don't be too quick to call someone ignorant.
@@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide I used the strategical as an example of what they referred themselves as. Not once in the original strategikon was the term "greek/byzantine" used to refer the eastern roman empire. And if you read roman sources you'd know that they never used the term Greek to identify themselves. It makes sense that they called it roman fire as it was a roman invention rather than "Greek fire" which is a politically motivated term. This is why I said it was a ignorant comment. And I didnt just say it was called "roman fire" but it makes way more sense to use that term rather than "greek fire" which makes 0% sense. Also don't ridicule me, don't be childish and make needless remarks. You being Greek doesn't make a difference. There are major differences between medieval Greek and modern Greek. And you being greek has nothing to do with the current discussion? Congrats that you understand modern greek?
@@jackmack6217 Anyone who knows modern Greek language well It is very easy to understand Koine. Don't try to give me lessons in my language. The fact that I have access to the original text, while you wait for the translation, (with its errors) if it doesn't make a difference, then what does? I will ignore any response from you from now on. I'm pretty sure I'm talking to a little kid...You mentioned a book as an example, which has nothing to do with the discussion.
@@bobafett9348The recipe was not lost in 1204, Greek fire was used against Ottomans in the siege of Constantinople in1422, also in 1430 in the siege of Thessaloniki and in 20 April 1453 burning Ottoman ship etc
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Not all of algeria under byzantine rule
What a beautifull video ! Thank you sir!❤
Byzantine types ships continue to be made and used as very effective fishing and merchant ships after the fall of Byzantium and developed to what is known as traditional Greek ships. For example the boat Karavoskaro (Καραβόσκαρο) is a development of Dromon. An other one is Perama Πέραμα etc
Greek fire was used against Ottomans in the siege of Constantinople in1422, also in 1430 in the siege of Thessaloniki and planned to be used in 20 April 1453 against Ottoman ships.
Can you do a video on Fall of Malacca in 1511 by Portugal. Also another war story of Tun Perak of Malacca fought Siamese, please?
I really like your commitment on going back, trying to finish the old and probably one of the most popular series of the channel.
This is sick. Such an interesting topic I've often wondered about, and only Kings and Generals covers such things. So important with how their naval interactions with the Italian Republics influenced their fate, too.
Invicta has if I remember right a not bad video about the flaming ships.
I love Byzantine/Eastern Roman history. Looking forward to more.
U up to retaking Constantinople?
me too
@@Neversa what're you yapping about
The Byzantine navy was the only branch of their empire which consistently did its job and upheld its Roman legacy.
I’d argue the Varangian Guard was the unit the Praetorian Guard could only dream it could be. I agree, the Navy was super impressive
@@paulmer87Yeahh no the Varangians were just really good mercenaries.
yeah so better than the praetorian which was bloated and which disposed and killed more emperors than romes enemies, while the varangian done it twice i think @@zxera9702
@@zxera9702 At least they actually did their jobs, unlike the praetorian "guard".
All glorified bodyguards 🤦♂️😅
Nikephoros Phokas's naval operation and landing on Crete against the Saracens, was the equivalent of the medieval Normandy operation. We are talking about a huge operation for the navy standards of the time, which give us an idea, about the capabilities of the Byzantine navy. Then after Michael VIII, Andronikos II Palaiologos, a disastrous emperor, was the tombstone of the Byzantine navy.
Although the recipe for Greek Fire was lost to the ages, the flamethrower design found its way to China. The Pen Huo Qi (literally means "fire spraying device") first saw action in the 10th century, during the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period. It's design was based on the blueprints of seventh century Byzantine siphons, with Chinese engineers improving on the design by adding an extra bellow. This upgrade allowed Chinese fire siphons to achieve a more continuous flame, therefore allowing them to fire a constant stream of fire using liquid naphtha like modern day flamethrowers rather than in short bursts as the Byzantine siphons were only capable of. Just like the Byzantines, the Chinese made use of these crude flamethrowers offensively by mounting them onto the prow of their warships, or bringing them to the battlefield on four wheeled pushcarts. However the Chinese tended to use them defensively, as they would often mount their flamethrowers on the walls of cities or forts where the garrison could fire down upon enemy soldiers assaulting the walls or to burn down incoming siege engines such as rams or siege towers.
Interesting, thank you for the share.
history like this will make you think why would you hate China. They're thousand years older than USA. They had survived literally since ancient times.
Great innovators and a fertile race in a fertile land they owned with rich culture. Survived a lot of crisis by keeping on rising on power even after major defeat (like the mongol conquest)
@@99Loweltoday's china is but a shadow of its former glory
Not really
@@99Lowel There a caveats. You can love the people, but hate the government. Russia, China, and Iran have many fine respectable people who can be among your cherished friends.
Their authoritarian governments and politics, however, are all rubbish.
"I fear no Pirate or Saracen boat, but that thing... It scares me". - An Eastern Roman Sailor pointing towards the Whale called Porphyrios.
Thanks =)
Absolutely loved this one. Thank you for the (available) details on the Greek Fire.
It would also have been interesting to document the Byzantine breakaway states (Trebizond especially); did they try and rebuild an Imperial fleet as well?
Hey, can you guys do a video on the Assyrian empires, rise and fall of it, it’s language, culture, religion and their eventual conversion to Christianity, and how the modern Assyrians are related to them.
I second this request. However, the sheer scope of all of these topics may require more than one video:)
Who cares they barely exist now
@@mikemodugno5879 I support this request too
@@AL_AFGHANI1 This is a history channel. We all care.
@@Aethelhaldnope I don’t
Good video! I was sort of hoping the half-Italian admiral Licario would get mention, interesting story there! Also cool were some of the large, horse-carrying ships such as those employed under the Komnenoi. But, enjoyed this!
Great video! The navy was the underappreciated branch of the Roman and Byzantine militaries.
15:15 looks like it has a minor editing mistake: you were talking about the siege in 1453, but the date stamp on the upper right corner says 1349. Just thought you'd want to know.
Naval history fascinates me, especially the progression of the Roman Navy
Thank you for the lesson, it’s always nice to hear more Eastern Roman stories
It would be interesting if Kings and Generals made a series about the Three Kingdoms era. I am team Cao Cao.
They did.
As always, the best RUclips channel out, no contest
Thank you so much Kings and Generals!!!
I loved this video, and I love the Byzantines! One small error, you said 698 for the first siege with Greek Fire, I believe you meant to say 678.
These flame equipped ships would also carry their own sand, vinegar, or other flame snuffing material even if their opponents had no incendiaries, because blowback or residual burning oil dribbling down onto one's own ship tended to happen frequently.
Another great example of interesting and detailed presentation of warfare.
K&G is truly the KING!!
Thank you for your continuous interest of the Eastern Roman Empire. Looking forward for more!
Thanks for a terrific video!
A video on the Empire of Trebizond would be good
Agreed
Video about Tamar the great would be great too
@@giorgijioshvili9713there is one for channel members
Fantastic video
People rarely ever discuss the Roman Navy. Thank You for sharing it with us
I really want to know the reaction of those who witnessed the flamethrowers on the Byzantine ships for the first time. The fact that it spews fire that not even water can put out must be thought of something like it came from another world.
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Great video but why does the Hagia Sophia have minarets at 12:13?
Indeed historically ( and aestheticaly) inaccurate
At some point it would be interesting to see some stuff about the Vandals and goths - if anything exists to tell. They always seem to do surprisingly well against the Romans so there must have been alot more to their society than is suggested
They seemed to do so well against the empire because they had a knack for waiting until the empire was suffering from severe crises (like the crisis of the third century), then pouring over an undefended border and marauding at will with no legions to stop them.
The exception to that would be the battle of Adrianople and the years immediately following, but even then the Roman defeat is due to the emperor ignoring some of the oldest rules in the book... like "don't have your men fight in scorching summer heat when they're already exhausted after a long march in the scorching summer heat" and "don't underestimate your opponent - if reinforcements are on the way, make camp and wait for them before beginning the battle."
The Goths and Vandals of the fifth century did so well because the WRE was so broke that it barely even had an army anymore, and half the time, the army that it DID have, was led by a half-Goth or half-Vandal and three quarters of its soldiers were Goths and Vandals lol.
Yes. Starting from fact that they WERE Romans. Vandals sacked Rome acting under orders of legal Emperor against usurper. Ostrogoths actually were Roman Auxiliary unit what take control over Rome after that. In fact Senate of Rome was operating under they rule, until Longobards. Idea that West Rome fall is a misconception. Francorum was actually a Roman province. It is just that East Rome didn't recognize them as Romans and as result Charlemagne used succession crisis in Byzantium and liberation of Rome by his father, as justification for taking the title of Emperor of Rome.
The idea of an angel descending down to us, handing us the recipe for a flamethrower, molotov cocktail and then head back to heaven is great
love kingsandgenerals , big fan , i just wanted to mention that last naval win of byzantium was the battle of glarentza , i hope in your next video you mention the epriote attempt to sieze power in the peloponese
15:19 Constantinople fall in 1453 and not in 1349.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Excellent work !
Byzantine types ships continue to be made and used as very effective fishing and merchant ships after the fall of Byzantium and developed to what is known as traditional Greek ships. For example the boat Karavoskaro (Καραβόσκαρο) is a development of Dromon. An other one is Perama Πέραμα etc
The introduction would be a perfect prologue for a historical novel based on this age.
I love your eastern Roman Empire videos/ Ottoman videos! I am headed to visit Istanbul for 2 weeks and soak in the history and culture of the region.
Justine reforms are the reasons that the empire survived this long. he almost improved every department of the empire. that's why people know him as Justinian the Great.👑
i own a bronze Follis from Justinian 1, i was playing with it in my hand when he was mentioned. strange to think i own a piece of metal that was created when he was alive, watching about byzantine history on youtube whilst holding a piece of history in my hand.. we forget sometimes how lucky we are to have untapped knowledge so easily accessible.
Cool!
The Fire is from The Mouth of Belisarius Really Angry At Narses
great series!!!😀
also, the lack of great naval powers led to a huge rise in piracy. in the past, these great naval powers policed the seas, and kept piracy down, but as the romans took everyone down they did not keep up the practice as much as their enemies did, so piracy grew, this is how it is possible for someone like caesar to get kidnapped by pirates, but pompey would eventually fix this
The modern Hellenic navy to honor its Byzantine tradition gave in 2004 the name to the F-466 S class ship of Nicephorus Phokas
For the algorithm amazing video thank you.
Thanks for the video
Justinian: "An angel whispered it to Constantine."
Tsukulous: "I'm not saying it was aliens."
Empire of Trebizond please!
2:56 I did not just hear a machinegun in the back on a scene about the roman empire
Or did I?
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One of the most powerful fighting forces in history
i've been obsessed with learning about fire ships for like a year now and how they let that technology disappear for so long. btw do you still watch vaush?
Not at all mysterious why they got rid of the bow ram, of course it was the Varangian guards (Norse) who told them a thing or two about how important it is to have a maneuverable and light ship. You won't be crushed by the waves if you're on top of them
The greatest empire even lived!! Nuff said!!!!🔥.⚡zues approve!!!!
Byzantine army… one of a kind!
Unfortunately surrounded by many enemies and our “allies” were hating us more than our enemies so we ended up like this…
Fun fact :Greek fire was called Liquid Fire in Greek - Υγρόν Πυρ.
So, when are you guys finally going to release the next Napoleon episode maybe Wagram or the invasion of Russia?
you got me hype in the new dlc of aoe4
Greek fire goes BRRRRRRRR
'Georgios, bring in the flammenwerfer.'
Do the Umayyad navy next please!?
GREEK FIRRREEE!!! 🔥🔥✳️✳️
More like "Phwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Followed by "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHLAHU AKBAR!"
What is the name of the music in 10:56
Create series of Constantine the Great
I think the first time when the north-western Europeans have see a dragon on the sea, was when they have see a Greek fire ship.
What happened to the Pacific War series there has not been an episode for 3 weeks?
Battle of Mount Thabor 1799 next video please.
This is nothing to do with the Byzantine Navy, but maybe putting together playlists for the American Revolution, War of 1812, and the American Civil War. Let me know what you think.
Working on this
@@KingsandGenerals Awesome, can't wait for these serieses
Comment for the algorithm.
Yes another Roman content❤❤
Ghost Argo: You've inherited my flame, use it wisely when the time is right
USS New Jersey (BB-62) machine spirit: I shall, FOR I AM FIRE I AM DEATH!
Even the papacy was protected by eastern roman navy before it independent
It,s called " υγρό πυρ" meaning liquid fire.
Made my night ! What parta Greek Fire don't you unnastan ?
Much respect for your work, as always it was and awesome video. One gripe thought, when you are depicting Constantinople, you are always showing an artist render of Hagia Sophia with 4 towers in the corners. I’m sure you guys know this, but those tall slim towers are actually minarets, which were added after the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 15th century when it was converted into a mosque. This is of course very inaccurate and misleading as it’s trying to depict a Christian Byzantine (Roman) Empire capitol by showing a later Ottoman version of its most important church and visually stunning landmark building.
It is mosque and always will be now
@@AL_AFGHANI1not sure what your comment has anything to do with the original post… he literally just said that at the time the Hagia Sophia was without the four minarets and that it should be depicted as such when showcasing that time period
@@AL_AFGHANI1 maybe yes maybe no.The fact is that until 1500 there was minarets there
@@AL_AFGHANI1what a reply. Aggressive muslim as always
@@charliebarkshire4320 He's a troll. Whenever there's a video about the ERE the comments usually get flooded by Turks who like to gloat about the conquest of Constantinople. They also like to claim that every famous conqueror from history was a Turk. Attila, Genghis, Saladin, Charlemagne, Napoleon, the Sea Peoples... they were all Turks according to Turks.
And of course their empire was the bestest ever, even though it isn't known for anything other than onion hats and genocide in the Balkans and Armenia.
"Napalm was a gift from an angel"
This was a great look into the Eastern Roman Navy maybe we can see a video on the Ottoman Navy next. Or even the navies of other Eastern Roman enemies.
OH MY GOD LET'S GOOOOOOOO
George RR Martins Wildfire 😁
i hope you complete the series after alexios with his son John and grandson emmanuel🙃
The Varangian Guard as well but that's it
What was the symbol for the Vandal ship flag? That had better not have been the Black Sun. That symbol would be entirely ahistorical as it’s only ever been used in Himmler’s private castle and no other area. That would also make it a hate symbol.
Parte 2 porfavot
It would be great if you could make a video about byzantine empire from the arab muslim perspective
comment for algorithm
Imagine if nuclear weapons become as legendary as greek fire in the future
Well, I'm afraid of that possibility, if you know what I mean...
Yeah, after all recorded history is lost to the great nuclear war and future generations are left to make archeological guesses about things we do today, I could see a lot of parallels to Greek fire. "we don't know exactly how it worked, or who invented it, and it didn't make people unbeatable, but it definitely struck fear into the hearts of the enemy."
Just to point out, greek fire was actually called roman fire. Usage of the term "Greek fire" has been general in English and most other languages since the Crusades, but original Roman sources called the substance a variety of names, such as "sea fire" (Medieval Greek: πῦρ θαλάσσιον pŷr thalássion), "Roman fire" (πῦρ ῥωμαϊκόν pŷr rhōmaïkón). Never in the eastern roman history as it called "greek fire" other than in modern days.
They called it Υγρόν πύρ - Liquid fire or pŷr thalássion (as you mentioned). They never call it Roman fire. You have obviously made this up out of your imagination. It was called "Greek fire" by the westerners, because the Eastern Roman empire was known as Greek empire.
@@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide I'd recommend you read roman sources before commenting an ignorant comment..
All the information we have on Greek fire comes from references in Roman military manuals, and a number of secondary historical sources and contemporary chroniclers of the period, who referred to the substance as “sea fire”, “Roman fire”, “liquid fire”. Read the stretegikon of Maurice for proof.
And the west called it a Greek empire to solidify their own right to the title of romans. As there couldn't be two roman empires.
@@jackmack6217 Liquid fire was invented around 672 AD, by an engineer from Heliopolis, Syria (today's Baalbek) named Callinicos. the Emperor Maurice died in 27 November 602... strange. Perhaps besides emperor and general, he was also a prophet. And one more thing, the book was written in Greek language (I am Greek). You have read only the translation. Don't be too quick to call someone ignorant.
@@Hydrogen-Hyperoxide
I used the strategical as an example of what they referred themselves as. Not once in the original strategikon was the term "greek/byzantine" used to refer the eastern roman empire.
And if you read roman sources you'd know that they never used the term Greek to identify themselves.
It makes sense that they called it roman fire as it was a roman invention rather than "Greek fire" which is a politically motivated term. This is why I said it was a ignorant comment. And I didnt just say it was called "roman fire" but it makes way more sense to use that term rather than "greek fire" which makes 0% sense.
Also don't ridicule me, don't be childish and make needless remarks.
You being Greek doesn't make a difference. There are major differences between medieval Greek and modern Greek. And you being greek has nothing to do with the current discussion? Congrats that you understand modern greek?
@@jackmack6217 Anyone who knows modern Greek language well It is very easy to understand Koine. Don't try to give me lessons in my language. The fact that I have access to the original text, while you wait for the translation, (with its errors) if it doesn't make a difference, then what does? I will ignore any response from you from now on. I'm pretty sure I'm talking to a little kid...You mentioned a book as an example, which has nothing to do with the discussion.
I think wild fire inspired from the Greek fire
Why must you open this wound. Oh god it hurts.
when is second crusade 😭😭😭😭
When ready
@@KingsandGenerals cant wait for it anymore im very excited for it
@@KingsandGeneralsare you guys still on the writing stage for the mongol alternative history series a
I want to believe that in an alternate universe, the Eastern Romans would've created a Greek-fire turtle ship.
They prolly want their enemy well-done
Rime of the ancient mariner!
Imagine the horror of anyone who had to face the Greek Fire.
If this myth were true, Constantinople would be Greek
@@АнтонПавлов-ц4зIts not a myth. Its a fact.
Yet the recipe was lost during the fall of constantinople to crusaders in 1204.
There are literally archeological findings of Byzantine Greek fire grenades so I dont know what you are smoking@@АнтонПавлов-ц4з
@@bobafett9348The recipe was not lost in 1204, Greek fire was used against Ottomans in the siege of Constantinople in1422, also in 1430 in the siege of Thessaloniki and in 20 April 1453 burning Ottoman ship etc
To anyone who reads this, please pray for my recovery and send positive thoughts my way.
Yeet
"Medieval successor"...
Please cover siege of Gaza 100BC