Absolutely! I handle them cautiously because I have had some cool, lighter skinned friends, high school, college, after college, and in each case, these ladies "sought" my friendship. I did not pick up colorist vibes from them, nor did they show some superiority complex. If a lady has redbone, red gal, or anything like that she goes by, I don't align myself in any way with her, because I know she's bought into the whole colorists, color struck, CONSTRUCT. 💯🎯‼️
In this case, it was the DSW who reached out to the preference. I say this all the time but a lot of DSW really suck to them and are the reason they have big egos…. It’s cringe. Now the rest of us, if we don’t behave that way, were automatically labelled as jealous.
@@DivineDreamLife Social climbing involves COMPETING which you shamed dark skinned women for doing on your other comment. I’m glad you agree that we should stop living vicariously through MLS women, social climb and be self serving like they are💕
Fact! 😂 they gotta adopt dark skinned black womens personas and attitudes to even seem interesting and engaging 🤯😵💫because they have no energy of their own. Its actually spooky. Not just disrespectful and weird and repetitive! 😂
I was so naive I had multiple light skin, and a few biracial women in competition with me. I didn’t see it at first, I felt the weird vibe, but didn’t understand it. Then it finally clicked when I was out with them at a nice martini bar in NYC and a man paid our tab and was only showing interest in talking to me. They were fuming, I thought they’d appreciate that he paid for all 6 of our drinks and apps just to talk with me. They were actually upset he was interested in me and not them. Smh
This is the story that is NOT told a million times like the “dsg’s were mean to me and pulled my hair in elementary” story they love to beat into everyones 🧠 I’ve had my share of backstabbing experiences as well. Somehow the guys who were just “ok” looking to them when they showed interest to me, suddenly bc “attractive” enough for them to date AFTER the fact. 🙄
Mixed women of all ages are always paying attention to black women. They usually notice us before we notice them. It’s always a silent competition with them as if we’re competing for the same man.
The majority of Black Women are though. Black Women are CONSTANTLY talking about who Black Men date. The less Black do this, the faster this problem goes away.
Facts!!! I had a MLSW who lived on the first floor (My ex and I stayed in the third floor), and I found out later after I left him, she was OBSESSED. Asking my LSBW friends about me. She offered to hold some of my luggage as I was transitioning out of our apartment during my break up. Tell me why this weirdo stole some of my dance costumes and my drawls!!!! Need I remind you, she had to been close to 300 lbs, and I was only 155! 😂. She even started going to my ex-fiancé’s to ask questions about me. Like girl, what?!!!
@@DivineDreamLifeThen I guess EVERY race of woman is masculine and male driven because they are ALL competing with us for EVERYTHING. So we can do the same if we see fit. The colorist gaslighting, shaming and neutralization attempts don’t work here babe. We play to win like everyone else. Deal with it.
.......They are not our friends and they are no competition for us. We are the blue print, the black print, the pink print. We have the beauty, naturally, the talent, naturally, the skill, naturally, the work ethic, naturally, the morality, naturally, the exotic look and aesthetic, naturally, we are expressive, naturally, we have working wombs, naturally. We are the originators and the creators. We set trends. Once we realize who we are and move in silence and stay on code, these other women wouldn't be able to touch the soles of the shoes we wear. Black Women are the women to be, everyone else copies us, even gay men! You don't compete with people copying you.
Competing for what though? Hopefully not males because they are not the prize. People love "nature" arguments except when it comes to this lol. It shouldn't be the women fighting for them.
And too the people saying ice spice father is black so what she’s still not a blk woman she would be biracial. Bw need to look after themselves and not no one else.
Exactlyyy & a lot of the BM & nonBW who raise these “preferences” teach their daughters that they’re “better” than DSBW. They don’t teach their daughters that they’re the same as us, the way some BW try to convince themselves that there’s no difference between us & them🙄
@@HoneyChild-8 the distinction needs to be made for the sake of BWs collective image as well as the self esteem for younger blk girls. She won’t disappear if we make the distinction so I’m not sure what the problem is? You aint us! Period
@@HoneyChild-8 nobody over here gives af about Tyrone but YOU🤮🤣🤣 you see how we’re not the same? You see how you still care about getting picked by a dusty & we Don’t??😆
50/50 bills. 50/50 mixed. Everybody knows the, difference. They just want to erase bw. It’s out of spite and superiority. This anti-bw trope is cool until other groups get erased. Then it’s not cool, anymore.
BW's attention and dollars hold A LOT of power. If we actually stood on business and stopped supporting people that don't support us, we would be top of the food chain fr.
Please show Cleo some grace, she's young. I see people saying, "Why didn't she leave?" "Why stay if you're being mistreated?" Cleo needed a learning moment to see what happens when you're the Nice Token Dark-Skin woman in the entertainment business. On top of that learning the dynamics of being "friends" with disingenuous Light-Skinned/Biracial women.
I think if Cleo had left the tour early then her reputation could have been easily damaged by Ice’s team as if Cleo was being unprofessional. It seems like she was really caught between a rock and a hard place
@TheSpace2Create I disagree cause look what's happening now, Ice and her team are deeming Cleo as unprofessional, and she finished the tour. Cleo would've been still branded as unprofessional if she left the tour in the beginning.
@@TheMelody15 agreed, and that’s kind of my point. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. But at least she fulfilled her obligation like a champ so they can’t disparage her work ethic
@TheSpace2Create Technically, it wasn't an obligation, Cleo was free to leave at any moment, she had no contractual ties. I understand that Cleo stayed on the tour for exposure, but in the end, it wasn't worth her safety and dignity.
I believe for drkskn women we are raised to receive value by being impressionable and helpful which leads to people pleasing and poor boundaries. It’s a hard game to learn until being put through the ringer of experience. And yes selfishness I am learning is normalized in society. But I will say even being competitive gets you so far.
Yes. Growing up, I was constantly criticized for anything I did. So I always tried to please people which lead to constant apologies, having no boundaries for myself, allowing people to treat me bad, etc. I’m learning more to have stand for myself and Chrissie has helped me a lot for that self-confidence. I am finally unlearning the toxic conditioning I have been fed my whole life and not allowing anyone to disrespect me, no matter how big or small.
Talent minus hustle and networking doesn’t go anywhere. There’s sooooo many talented singers in New York subway stations, for ex, yet majority will remain undiscovered. Have to create connections if you have none.
I’ve been been ignoring artists like Cardi, Ice Spice, Tyla, and def Lotto. I wish more of us would support the artists that look like us instead of only WISHING they would get more shine. GIVE THEM the shine. lol
YOur a 70 yer old man who married a poor WW for 20 years and chased WW single parents while married bitter that no BW wanted you! As much as you hated on BW they disregarded you and they should have! *KARMA MACEO*
if she were darker than a paper bag with a face like that more people would call a spade a spade. she’s not cute in the face. dark skin women have to look like naomi campbell to be considered cute but women like ice spice are able to skate off looking like that. she’s no beyoncé or rihanna lmaoo.
There are a gazillion women envious of dsbw about so many things. It always goes both ways. Shanquella Robinson was dark skinned, gorgeous and succesful. That's why they conspired and killed her.
I am still hurt about Shanquella. Dsbw like Kelly Rowland and Venus Williams are aging really well. I admire them. The black skin looks healthy and exotic. I am a brown skinned black woman and l always felt this way about dsbw. For me, it is admiration, not envy and competition.
You made such a good point Chrissie, you're supposed to show all the proof in the world that a light person is colorist, but no proof is needed to accuse dark women of jealousy. That's the way it is in life including any kind of comment section. If a dark skinned woman says ANYTHING negative about a lighter woman; she's called out as a jealous hater by strangers.
"If you know, you know" is so flipping right! A jealous non-black woman can be one of the meanest nastiest women that walk this earth. God forbid a ds black woman get attention in their presence. Its crazy! I believed Cleo when she was telling her story. I also believe they were both using each other ...
Yup. Definitely don’t underestimate how colorist some of these light skinned girls are just because they are seen hanging with dark skinned girls. At my previous college it was these girls that were cousins. One light skin, one dark skin. At first I thought they were adorable cause they seem to get along well and have a special bond and then one day I heard them joking around with each other making a reference to Rosa Parks and the light skinned was like “They would’ve put you at the back of the bus, not me, cause I’m light skinned and you black as hell”. They were both laughing but still her colorism came out and she is fully aware she benefits from being lighter skinned and will use that to make herself seem better than her own cousin🤷🏾♀️
Rosa Parks was only used because she was the preferred to be publicly named when it was actually DSBW who refused to sit in the back of a bus. Let that sink in.
Or at least possibly not represent the movement because Claudette Colvin was before Rosa Parks and it seems like her skin tone and young pregnancy(via an older man who preyed on this teen girl) played a role is not getting the recognition she deserved until recent years. So her cousin was kind of right.
Unfortunately in school I did that with my light skin bestie at the time. I was in middle/highschool and at the time it seemed harmless but in the end it was definitely competition throughout our whole friendship
Same in my childhood I was gaslighted, it’s actually a form of abuse. But then again if racism is abuse - so is colourism. Watching your videos prepared me for war. I started watching your videos as a 12 year old 13 year old and took a lot of years for the information to enter my head. But it did, and it is hard for me to be gaslighted
I now only act and think strategically, because I know other people have - your videos explained everything I went through, I can now look back and analyse everything. It helps me in the real world, the sooner our eyes open and ears the better.
I hate when ppl tell bw “two wrongs don’t make a right” yes it DOES make it right. If everybody is putting their own image first then bw should do the same . They don’t want bw to catch on . They’re already mad about the bw in luxury aesthetic promoting dsbw as feminine and classy. The black wife effect trend, u seen how fast non bw created their own version?! 😂😂😂 The soft black girl trend, nobody was talking about soft this and soft girl life until bw made it popular all over tiktok and now they’re copying. It is all competition! Telling us not to do something they’re already doing or plan on doing
The worst part is that the whole term “soft life” is Nigerian and isn’t necessarily about women, but just living a luxurious life. No one seems to know this which is interesting…
As the light skin girl in the comments: I heard enough from both Cleo and Ice to decide Ice IS colourist. We don’t need to do any more fact checking to be clear about this. Ice is jealous, competitive, narcissistic and a colourist. There is no debate here. Cleo’s story was too full of detail and nuanced to be untrue.
@@traumaqueeen Hello gorgeous girl. I agree with you. I have checked and double checked with Christie and her followers previously, and whilst I understand this space is not designed for me, the feedback I received is that it is not necessarily negative that I am in it. I try to keep my comments on this channel to a minimum except in the situations where I feel I can add value through validation of a topic I know something about. So if I feel there is gaslighting for example regarding colourism, I will say so from my perspective. If my comments are upsetting, invalidating, triggering or annoying I won’t comment in future. Open to hear your response🙏🏾💖
@@YaBasicMillenialdamn, now I see how I might have looked, hope you brush your teeth 5 times after that kind of ass kissing comment. What a kiss ass.. B oth sides have their arguments, no need to baby cuddle
“What happens when it’s reverse” as a pretty darkskin girl who was hated on by mostly lighter skin women. I had to seek forceful protection from these women because they got so jealous and angry to the point of wanting to harm me.
Chrissie I love your commentary as usual and your always speaking facts.. Until Darker Skin/BW stay on code and place themselves on pedestals and not living vicariously through Ambiguous/Lighter Skin women this will continue time and time again.. It’s nothing wrong with being friends with whoever but use your discernment and vet them out as well 😏
Exactly! Nonbw tell themselves they’re “better” just bc pf their complexion (even when they’re mediocre) & BW will buy into it & Agree to it by trying to change themselves to fit the beauty standards of these nonBW, & by not putting their own image on a pedestal instead
This Cleo and icicle debate is truly showing how black women are starting to wake up. If this was ten years ago everyone would be calling Cleo bitter. I know it won’t last long but I’m hoping this wakes us up from blindly supporting non black women
This makes me think about Victoria Monet and for a long time I knew that Ariana grande was biting off her style and I just could not understand why people wasn’t mentioning that. I’m so happy that Victoria Monet is getting the credit she deserves now . BW no more being nice ‼️
Cleo was just on the Impact NYC she has her own clout and fans she should have stopped messing with Ice Spice after Ice said she was jealous I really hate seeing black woman be side kicks Cleo should have left the tour she wasn't getting paid or promoted so why be used as a prop
Exactly this! I think most non-black women are like that. They put themselves firs, unlike black women. We even put a whole male demographic (black men) before us. Believe me, white women absolutely do not.
One of my light-skinned service brothers in Germany told me he doesn't like hanging out with other light-skinned guys because they would get too much attention, he was a little intoxicated 😅🤣. I had stopped following anyone around unless it's also in my interest, so it didn't faze me. Unintentionally or not, most light-skinned blacks have been raised in a our community as perferred, so when they're not, they feel "cheated".
So true including family most light skinned people I’ve been around definitely feel like they are better they won’t say it out loud but their mannerisms says different .I’ve seen in families the lightest is always considered to be better looking even if it’s not true.
Chrissie is right, some light skinned besties definitely are colorist and think they’re better. I have one in my life but I feed her with a long spoon because when I met my now husband she started acting weird. She was used to being the one with all the guys and men doing things for her, but when I met him and she noticed how generous he was to me and how he loves on me,she started making slick comments and acting funny as if I wasn’t deserving of good treatment etc. I could write so much smh.
Yup! It will usually be revealed when they aren't getting the attention they think they should only get! They also strategically befriend women who they think aren't as attractive as them. We need to know this!
Hey Chrissie, so Last week me and my husband went out to eat at this Japanese spot in Cali and you can basically cook your own ramen at the table, you would just have to go get the condiments that you want to put in your ramen. So i went up to get my condiments. When i came back, my husband stated that the woman in the stripe dress behind him came over to talk to him as soon as i got up. The other woman, behind him as well kept staring at us, all in our conversation, cant fatium the fact im laughing having a could time. And i knew she couldnt help herself to say something to me. As soon as they were done eating, cause we came after them, she told me she likes my shoes, and what are they. Mind you she couldn't see my shoes at first because shes behind my husband and im facing her. So when they were getting ready to leave they pretty much stood there and had their husband pay the bill. They standing there looking at me from head to toe, bothering us while were eating, and literally bold enough to talk to my husband alone the moment i got up.
@charmaineespeut4627 my husband is a lil more forward than I am, so he told her to go away cause he tryna eat. I didn't do anything to the woman in stripes, she kept pacing back and forth and her father even asked if she was okay. As for the mother who approached me about my shoes I told her what they were, then she proceed to indirectly tell me her profession in life, cause she would like to have my shoes to wear in her scrubs.
Mama is a fair skin tone woman and I am chocolate. I'm grateful she's not a self hating black woman. If anything she's the reason I've always loved myself. #Grateful
My mom was brown and true as my coco skin my momma used to hype me over everyone; and I grew I knew and when I got older my self esteem was too great to grate ❤❤❤
Black women, if you're going independent in the industry, PLEASE learn the business(behind the scenes) and hire accordingly. It's clear Cleo is unaware of the logistics and under estimate what comes with being independent in the entertainment industry... Being independent sounds great, but it's not as simple as you think....
One the craziest thing is Ice bit off of cleotrappa style so bad it's not even funny. LMAO , she was wearing cheap body suits from rainbow before cleo came in.
I heard an influencer say Spice Rack has a kink for seeing ds bw struggle and get embarrassed, and that described everything perfectly. Hence why she wanted her to carry her own luggage, dressing in bathrooms or corners, publicly telling her she needed to get her own room, not inviting her out to eat. The fact that everyone is also speaking on Spice’s dark energy, and that video of how she was acting during that man’s prayer, Cleo really put herself in danger choosing to continue to stay on tour.
As soon as I seen this situation I literally was waiting for your coverage - this is the same song and dance we've been playing/doing for decades now! I started being in these spaces at 19 and just turned 25. Your nb or ambiguous friends will always feel like they have a leg up on you whether it's expressed clearly or not; they understand how society pedistalizes them and move accordingly to their benefit (as they shouold; honestly). Denying this out of fear of looking like the angry/jealous unambiguous black friend is going to have you ending up like Baby Storne and Cleo.... I won't NOT befriend biracial, ambiguous or non black women but I'm always extra cautious around them when it comes to expecting true loyalty and sisterhood. I know because I have to deal with this from my blood sister. It eats them up to see the "less desirable" woman get praises and get along with people they're also in acquaintance with - that's typically when the green goblin rears its head. Always be mindful around women that don't look like you. Of course you should be strategic period, but I feel like you're less likely to experience true sisterhood with women that don't look like you and share your experience. Much love to you all - stay gracious!
I made this comment before actually watching - I was just eager to see you speaking on it. I'm happy to know we're on the same page lol I've learned from the best!!
@@gabrielleelaine1515 very rare but not non existent! EXTREMELY rare tho. It's just about finding good people, no matter what they look like because I've experienced some wicked stuff from those that look like me too. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🔥🔥🔥🔥
I simply stay to myself. I only have two friends who are like me ( mono-racial unambiguous Black American women with Coastal Georgia Ancestry). We get all get along and I don’t feel that we have any competition with each other. We simply love to travel, eat, and attend concerts. I’m so thankful for my little community of friends.
The friendship was probably alittle more mutually beneficial before until it wasn't anymore. I'm def still on Cleo side tho. She coulda did things differently but she handled it best she could. She's young and these lessons are great to learn now rather than in your 30s.
Honestly I’ve noticed you’ve said a lot of things that turned out to be true. Or I’ve looked at old videos and saw many of the tips/ solutions used for dark skinned people were said by you years ago.
@@ChosenChild-j9i- FACTS!!! And don’t forget he “secretly” had a love affair with Madonna, of all ppl! As a Gen X’r from that time I will NEVER look @ him the same…. 🤦🏾♀️….
@@saramatthews7159He talked about being pro black women and how much he loved us, yet he was sleeping with white women and biracial women. He made beautiful music but he was a hypocrite. He even disrespected an elder black women named delores C Tucker and she had to sue him. I’m glad his brown skinned wife left and knew her worth. May he Rip.
They really don’t like it when you are a darker complexion but you have some features that they feel they should have instead of you. I had two biracial sisters as “friends” as a child. They would always brag about how wavy their hair was. Then my mom started letting me get my hair straightened. They got jealous and picked a fight with me and stopped talking to me all together. One girl in high school would frequently tell me it looked like I had cut my hair, when actually I hadn’t but she was insecure about her own hair. Another light skin woman looked at me with disgust and said “how you this black with freckles??” More recently I made a new “friend” and I guess she thought I would be enamored by her looks and thought I was gonna fall up under her. We went to a party and I went and got a drink and came back and she said “you didn’t get me one?” I surely didn’t, your legs not broke and I ain’t no man! A few weeks after I met her I met my husband and we got serious fairly quickly. I honestly believe she was interested in him. Even to this day she tells people I didn’t like him at first which isn’t true at all…I just knew to keep these heffas in their place and out my business. Shortly after I started dating, she met this guy that she clearly settled for. They got engaged after we did but she made sure they got married first. At one point we shared our wedding ideas and she came back and said she was thinking of doing the same colors I chose. She would try to one up me on everything but would fail cuz she ain’t me 😂😂. We don’t talk now but we follow each other’s social media. Every year she tags me on my anniversary and welcomes me to the *insert year here* marriage club. That fool got married one month before me. I guess she has to remind me that she got married first 😂😂.
The one thing I want all DS women to read is the 48 LAWS OF POWER!!. the best way to compete is to make people think believe you are not competing. if the Colorists are gonna be passive aggressive, DS BE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE. I seen this girl on tiktok said Cleo played her cards right during that time. For Ex. if Cleo left early, the conversation would be "the difficult blk girl". etc etc. CLEO played 48 laws of power well, because PUBLIC OPINION hung her enemy. BW PLAY THE GAME!!. Y not? EVERYONE else is. This is self defense at this point.
chrissie can you please do a video on tyla. i don't see her as a black woman (i thought she was indian at first) and it's quite refreshing that she doesn't identify as black and has taught the american black community that mixed race people are allowed to be mixed race. however, it's not lost on me that she uses black/african cultures, aesthetics, and identity to push her mediocre music career and despite the fact that she is a colored girl mixed with indian and white; like her dad is literally indian, so why is that not reflective in the way she presents herself? something about tyla is very off to me and i feel like black women are so self hating to call it out or call out these mixed race women using our likeness/identity to take our places in media and even our communities. black people/women literally sat on the internet and bullied tyla for not identifying as black... when she is CLEARLY a multiracial indian leaning looking girl.. she doesn't even look very black when you take off all the cosplay. and idgaf if she's from south africa, i used to LIVE in SA as an expat in Jo-burg, the city where tyla is from, and i went to international school there so i was around a lot of south africans and international people. It's one of the most segregated cities in SA and a lot of the colored people in south africa look down on black people (colored is a term originating during apartheid and apartheid ended in 1994) like i literally had a colored girl so confused that i lived in one of the affluent neighborhoods of jo-burg because i was black (mind you SA is a majority black country). so it's hard for me to believe Tyla isn't colorist or a lil antiblack because i have experienced a lot of hatred from colored people in south africa surprisingly more than from the white/afrikaans people over there. anyway after the whole 'is tyla black' convo i have decided to not support her anymore. i am tired of mixed race girls being black women's representation. like your telling mke out of all the talented girls in south africa, a country that is majority black, it was tyla a mixed race woman who is the one just who just so happens to be pushed as an international act? yea i am not buying it anymore. i am so done with the obvious agenda that they are trying to push. they already pushed this agenda in America and as an african person i can't allow them to push these self hating agendas on my african people. africa doesn't have much but at least we have our identity and i can't not let western propaganda media take it from us
I completely agree with you, i think the music industry sees black people as idiots to make easy money off of if they dangle some fake caramel candy with cornrows in front of us and it angers me so much. Tyla is entirely fake and that will unfortunately be her downfall... or maybe they will continue to push this plant on us until we forget what she truly is... but yeah good on you for choosing not to support, i will follow suit. With enough discipline we can definitely redirect the attention to artists who are actually black and african. Lol and indian girl with cornrows making afrobeat like she's authentic😅😅😅 we need to GET OUT
I am South African and we don't usually hangout with coloured people. They identity as white and would rather be closer to white people. It happens in a country like ours where there is a history of privilege for one group, they want to benefit from their proximity to whiteness. I have experienced so much anti blackness from those people. I refuse to support her, that community wants nothing to do with black south africans... NOTHING!
Black women in South Africa are supporting that charlatan very loudly they consider anyone saying the charlatan shouldn’t be the representative of South African township music is called a hater. They’ll learn. DSBW are a problem especially the celebrity types for supporting these carbon copies and then crying when it all goes wrong. I’ve stopped supporting DSBW celebrities and their work unless they are Africans being one myself. It’s a thankless task supporting them. They perpetuate the mixed race coddling which trickles down to ordinary women. I’m pleased to say I’ve never supported any mixed people men or women because I’ve always understood they’re not our people. My identity is Bantu which nobody can copy
Colorism is truly exhausting. Like when u think u have a true friend, and realize they are just like everyone else who think you’re not valuable because u ain’t light skinned. Tuh!
The best way to win is to lean into ur natural looks. No matter what the media tries to convince u of ur unambiguous black features are seen as beautiful and valued u simply have to lean into it and care for. Afro hair, dark skin, round features all of it.
Baby Stormie SHOWED the WORLD those text messages AND warned Cleo that Ice Spice did not like her. Cleo literally old Storm that she was going to fight her and took Ice Spice side.
Guilty until proven innocent is right. Last year I became friends with an ex coworker (black daddy /white mom) who claimed to be such an advocate of dsbw 🙄 Chi.. after 7 months of calling me “sis” I learned on mad day she wasn’t a colleague but blankin colonizer. Never falling for it again they are all like this I don’t care.. I don’t care.. 40 years old & it’s still happening I should’ve known. 😂
Not shocked, I never cared for Ice Spice. The only fair skinned female rapper that I've seen publicly address ds colorism honestly in recent years is Renni Rucci, and with her, I think it's because her mom was black.. True allies speak up when there's nothing in it for them.
Cleo said she had a conversation with ICE about the leaked text messages and ice downplayed it like I call everyone jealous of me, even my mom So yes CLEO knew ice was weird before the tour and I think Cleo chose to ignore it to keep her connections and ties to her since ICE is the bigger star right now
@@user-pd4qj8pb6z I think DSBW are starting to learn about prioritizing the preferences and dimming their own light. Stand for nothing, fall for anything. Like she showed her hand on how she felt towards DSBW & when those text leaked, Cleo wanted to lie to herself as if she was the exception that ICE didn’t have her nose rooted up towards her just those other kind a dsbw . I feel bad cuz I’m sure it was a very uncomfortable situation but a good lesson for to when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
@@user-pd4qj8pb6z Idk if this is true or not but I also heard that Baby Storm tried to warn Cleo about Ice Spice but she completely dismissed her concern and really had to learn the hard way on her own.
Never wait for the trickle-down effect from others. No one will validate you the way YOU would validate yourself. Along with my spirits, I am my own idol. No one else!
This is the level of desperation that happens when you narrow your dating pool down to BM only. They seem to be naturally more feminine and want to act like princesses and be chased by women and silly women who don't know any better fall for it and end up competing with each other.
Someone in the comments said that Ice was on the spectrum . What is with this trend of saying that evil hurtful people are on the spectrum ?!! SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT NICE PEOPLE .
Welp, botH can be and are also Often true, folks have to remember that Old Spice era comes (Literally) from a Ton of people from the Crackbaby Era-and manyyy times thiS is the Result of it!!! 💥
@@nikkirockznikkirockz8551 Oooh I have to admit you made a point. Women during this era were also told that smoking does not harm the fetus but this is a whole video in itself.
@@NicolePhenix Folks did know by that era smoking was bad for the baby, they started pushing more heavily in the 70's about that-but the parents of Stale Spice's age were hit hard during the 80's "rock" epidemic thoiugh-and the results can be seen in their offspring..
first of all most of these mixed women are made by black men and raised by white women their behaviour isn't black woman's fault they choose to act like that
There are a lot of women who have no idea how to be a friend. They just want to get close for competition… even when they are initially trying to be a friend I have learned that many are still secretly competing which is crazy to me. Soon as they see your vulnerability or you suffer a hardship then they are mocking you or glad you aren’t succeeding. I’ve had to remove many women from my life who acted like this and many were colorists…now I have a few genuine friends who have good intentions in our friendship and
Most people that bullied me were black males and yt women and mixed women. I’ve had my hair pulled and head banged against a window by a biracial girl and she told me I was jealous that her hair was longer. Got repeatedly kicked and tormented by another biracial girl in school as well. A yt girl in my early hs job told me told me I was jealous they were taking the black men ( she was in a dv relationship with a black male). At that same job a light skin girl tormented me daily because she said I was jealous that she was light skinned 😂
@mantodectuspapillio2383 She has a complexion and hair type that was created beautiful, however God should not he compared to any human. Just like he's not White with blue eyes, he's not melanated with coils. Do not associate human attributes to God.
I am grateful to Cleotrapa for speaking up. A lot of us have been through situation where we were bullied by sneaky none black women and now we're scared of speaking up because people would make us and others believe that we are just jealous and we are the problem. They would defend the none black woman systematically. Now judging by how many people men and wonen are defending Cleotrapa, we can tell that things are startinh to change. Lighter skin women can no longer bully us as easily and pretend to be the poor vulnerable victim. I agree that Cleotrapa better move on now and publish songs that have nothing to do with that beef. I also agree that neither of them is mindblowingly talented.
I saw a clip of Ice Spice and Cleo on Kai Cenat live stream and Cleo was definitely looking like a sidekick. DSBW often befriend LSBW and mixed women to live vicariously through them and I agree when the DSBW start getting more attention and respect, the other women feel threatened. I also think this is a woman thing in general. I've heard of this happening with women who are overweight. Their friends love them when they're fat then start acting shady when they lose weight and are more attractive. Women in general constantly have this secret competition in their minds with other women. Even women they call their "Friend".
I deactivated it (as well as DDS on IG) temporarily around the time people were stealing my content and photos from my pages. I’ll eventually put them back up as well as the videos.
Cleotrapa's manager is Will he is Wendy Williams manager he used to be a jeweler he seems like the type to want to get his percentage so I have a feeling Cleo pushed for no contract because her "Friend" said she would be good and thats dumb on Cleo's part
Ice has a superiority complex over Cleo and genuinely believes that Cleo shouldn’t complain, even when treated disrespectfully. But if the roles were reversed, and Ice had to perform at Cleo’s concert, how do you think she’d react if she was told to carry her own luggage? Lol.
In every photo, Cleo's melanin is just off the charts for me! Ice looks washed out on many of the photos, like raw chicken. Since I was a girl, im thankful to my father, who always told me how cute I am! I didn't even realize colorism was a thing until college! My husband is light skinned, but he chose me, and I accepted. I didn't go for him. I like any shade of Black man so as I'm treated well! Honestly, while I'm me, I dont feel any light skinned woman can hold a candle to me. 💯🎯‼️
Here’s one.. Me and my husband like to go dancing.. a lot lol. Anyway it just so happens that we are usually surrounded by Latinx, white, or some other non-black mix of people and we are always the only black couple there if there’s any at all. Well I remember one time me and my husband were sitting out a song and this white woman had been staring at us like all night long and my husband had never asked her to dance or even paid her any attention really because he just prefers dancing with me only. He’s just always been that way. Anyway why is she on the dance floor standing directly in front of him while we’re sitting at a table chatting, and she’s out here doing jumping jacks, cartwheels, doing THE most to try and get his attention 😂. Like B! I’m sitting RIGHT HERE but like, in her mind I didn’t exist and she just wanted him to ask her to dance so bad. My husband leans over and goes “why is this is this woman so desperate for my attention rn lol” I got second hand embarrassment for her 🤦🏾♀️
I'm a regular-schmegular black chick. Real skinny because genetics and anemia. Somewhere on the coffee with a touch of cream spectrum...I've witnessed all the 💩you mentioned about being hat3d on. I'm unambiguously Black with 4b hair. Most of the hate I get from other women I think is due to my hair because it's long, nappy, healthy and natural. Silly and petty. But I get a lot of ww hair flipping around me, giggles and stares from some, straight up hostility from fellow bw. Examples: Got attention when mixed Cuban friend got none and I was in jeans + tee shirt while she was showing hella skin. She was real quiet and I could sense the upbeat vibe she arrived with was off. Long since cut her off after seeing the lo-key shade and hate. Another instance, I was in new job training. There was a ratchet, hood chick of an Ice Spice coloration that would literally LEAN IN MY PERSONAL SPACE TO BLOCK MY LINE OF SIGHT as we are sitting at the conference table listening to the onboarding speaker! She made it a POINT to always jump in front of me when we went from place to place in the building during the orientation. Any question I asked was met with a sneer from her. If I happened to catch her glare, it would chill my blood. Never met this crazy woman before that day. Insane! Last example is fairly recent. About a week ago, was in the store in the water aisle. I don't dress 'cool' or faddish, so I literally had on capri tights and a goofy pineapple dreadlock cartoon tee shirt. I look like a giant, lanky 6th grader. A larger bw dressed like Barbie in hotpink ruffle mini skirt w/lighter pink baby doll top arrives with her male in tow. She immediately starts sizing me up and I do my best to focus on the water. So, she stares at me while contorting herself all weird and making faces at me. I could feel the hostility. I was just existing and trying to buy some water. Never even looked directly at her or her 'man'. I'm not even really 'pretty', just normal. This is my life tho.
The competition Cleo dealt with is the same competition/acrimony Ice Paint was/facing when the COLLECTIVE OF White women came for her ass with the Madz/Central Cee situation. They were heated! How dare a non WW "steal" this man from Madz-the English rose. EVERYBODY COMPETES.
I'm not 100% sure if this particular situation was a Colorism issue cause when you zoom out and look at all the women Ice Spice has gotten into it with, Nicki, Latto, Cardi, they were all lightskinned. Ice is just a bad friend.
I think they’re saying it is a colorism issue as well because she basically did this to both of her dark skinned friends and has no other friends who are dsbw.
They’re also all industry. Cleo is an independent artist. You know some beef with famous ppl is fake right. Cuz it gives em attention and makes them money.
@ChrissiesWay you made good points in this video. I need to be more self serving in different aspects in my life. I also need to go back to view some of your older videos ❤❤❤❤
I don't understand why it's so hard for BW to look at what other people are doing who are successful in the areas they want to gain success in, and copy their behavior. When you want to be great, you study the greats. If you see other groups of people centering their own image, even with mixed/biracial children, why wouldn't you do the same? If you see other races of women who get the results you want, centering their womanhood and womanly needs, why wouldn't you do the same? Idk why BW in 2024 think being meek and passive is going to get you anywhere when it never has in the past.
I believe it ‘hits differently’ when you have removed yourself from the black American community and culture as a mono-racial, racially unambiguous black American woman, in order to preserve your peace of mind and happiness. I no longer feel subjected to the Black American community’s hierarchy and have absolutely no problem uplifting my representation, imagery, and phenotype as a proud mono-racial woman who is racially unambiguous. 💕It’s just a different feeling when you’ve created YOUR own culture and lifestyle that uplifts YOU.
The « assuming your colorist until proven innocent” part is how I move and I think it’s accurate
Agreed
Absolutely! I handle them cautiously because I have had some cool, lighter skinned friends, high school, college, after college, and in each case, these ladies "sought" my friendship. I did not pick up colorist vibes from them, nor did they show some superiority complex. If a lady has redbone, red gal, or anything like that she goes by, I don't align myself in any way with her, because I know she's bought into the whole colorists, color struck, CONSTRUCT. 💯🎯‼️
Period. And as soon as I peep it, I’m calling it out. 💅🏾
Facts. This is very real.
Absolute facts.
I absolutely loathe the fact that untalented preferences want a dsbw as a sidekick knowing fully well the dsbw is the whole vibe.
@@DivineDreamLife Multiple things can be true at once babe.
In this case, it was the DSW who reached out to the preference. I say this all the time but a lot of DSW really suck to them and are the reason they have big egos…. It’s cringe. Now the rest of us, if we don’t behave that way, were automatically labelled as jealous.
@@DivineDreamLife Social climbing involves COMPETING which you shamed dark skinned women for doing on your other comment. I’m glad you agree that we should stop living vicariously through MLS women, social climb and be self serving like they are💕
Fact! 😂 they gotta adopt dark skinned black womens personas and attitudes to even seem interesting and engaging 🤯😵💫because they have no energy of their own. Its actually spooky. Not just disrespectful and weird and repetitive! 😂
@@ChrissiesWaybut when we do it people still have the audacity to get mad becauae they're triggered
I was so naive I had multiple light skin, and a few biracial women in competition with me. I didn’t see it at first, I felt the weird vibe, but didn’t understand it. Then it finally clicked when I was out with them at a nice martini bar in NYC and a man paid our tab and was only showing interest in talking to me. They were fuming, I thought they’d appreciate that he paid for all 6 of our drinks and apps just to talk with me. They were actually upset he was interested in me and not them. Smh
This is the story that is NOT told a million times like the “dsg’s were mean to me and pulled my hair in elementary” story they love to beat into everyones 🧠 I’ve had my share of backstabbing experiences as well. Somehow the guys who were just “ok” looking to them when they showed interest to me, suddenly bc “attractive” enough for them to date AFTER the fact. 🙄
I can’t believe this happened.!! No other group of women on earth would experience this except DSBW
as a light skinned woman, i agree. I envy black women especially slim ones. at least i acknowledge and trying to change
@@lilac8794where does your envy come from
@@akay3787 when they get attention from men. I have a sense of entitlement that men should always see me first. I know i'm a brat so..
Mixed women of all ages are always paying attention to black women. They usually notice us before we notice them. It’s always a silent competition with them as if we’re competing for the same man.
Each and every one! They are actually searching for you and trying to steal your identity.
The majority of Black Women are though. Black Women are CONSTANTLY talking about who Black Men date. The less Black do this, the faster this problem goes away.
Kinda backwards considering what they say about nature lol, women are the prize and males should be competing. Imagine fighting over a man🤢
Imagine fighting over a man🤢 They are not the prize lol. People love "nature" arguments except when it comes to this lol
Facts!!! I had a MLSW who lived on the first floor (My ex and I stayed in the third floor), and I found out later after I left him, she was OBSESSED. Asking my LSBW friends about me. She offered to hold some of my luggage as I was transitioning out of our apartment during my break up. Tell me why this weirdo stole some of my dance costumes and my drawls!!!! Need I remind you, she had to been close to 300 lbs, and I was only 155! 😂. She even started going to my ex-fiancé’s to ask questions about me. Like girl, what?!!!
How long will it take for black women in the industry to realize these "preferences" are NOT YOUR FRIEND they're your COMPETITION 🤦🏾♀️
@@DivineDreamLifeThen I guess EVERY race of woman is masculine and male driven because they are ALL competing with us for EVERYTHING. So we can do the same if we see fit. The colorist gaslighting, shaming and neutralization attempts don’t work here babe. We play to win like everyone else. Deal with it.
.......They are not our friends and they are no competition for us. We are the blue print, the black print, the pink print. We have the beauty, naturally, the talent, naturally, the skill, naturally, the work ethic, naturally, the morality, naturally, the exotic look and aesthetic, naturally, we are expressive, naturally, we have working wombs, naturally. We are the originators and the creators. We set trends. Once we realize who we are and move in silence and stay on code, these other women wouldn't be able to touch the soles of the shoes we wear. Black Women are the women to be, everyone else copies us, even gay men! You don't compete with people copying you.
Kinda backwards considering what they say about nature lol, women are the prize and males should be competing.
Competing for what though? Hopefully not males because they are not the prize. People love "nature" arguments except when it comes to this lol. It shouldn't be the women fighting for them.
Seems like everybody is in competition with bw 😂
And too the people saying ice spice father is black so what she’s still not a blk woman she would be biracial. Bw need to look after themselves and not no one else.
Exactlyyy & a lot of the BM & nonBW who raise these “preferences” teach their daughters that they’re “better” than DSBW. They don’t teach their daughters that they’re the same as us, the way some BW try to convince themselves that there’s no difference between us & them🙄
@@HoneyChild-8yes that was her point. Biracial still isn’t black
@@HoneyChild-8 the distinction needs to be made for the sake of BWs collective image as well as the self esteem for younger blk girls. She won’t disappear if we make the distinction so I’m not sure what the problem is? You aint us! Period
@@HoneyChild-8 nobody over here gives af about Tyrone but YOU🤮🤣🤣 you see how we’re not the same? You see how you still care about getting picked by a dusty & we Don’t??😆
50/50 bills. 50/50 mixed. Everybody knows the, difference. They just want to erase bw. It’s out of spite and superiority. This anti-bw trope is cool until other groups get erased. Then it’s not cool, anymore.
BW's attention and dollars hold A LOT of power. If we actually stood on business and stopped supporting people that don't support us, we would be top of the food chain fr.
This the one ☝🏽. Hopefully one day we learn.
Good luck with that. A lot of us are very desperate for male validation
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@tatumm6461please stop saying us 😂, but yeah way too many are like that I think due to fathers not being around
@@libfuzzy4629 I’m saying us because I’m a black woman…?
Please show Cleo some grace, she's young. I see people saying, "Why didn't she leave?" "Why stay if you're being mistreated?" Cleo needed a learning moment to see what happens when you're the Nice Token Dark-Skin woman in the entertainment business. On top of that learning the dynamics of being "friends" with disingenuous Light-Skinned/Biracial women.
I think if Cleo had left the tour early then her reputation could have been easily damaged by Ice’s team as if Cleo was being unprofessional. It seems like she was really caught between a rock and a hard place
@TheSpace2Create I disagree cause look what's happening now, Ice and her team are deeming Cleo as unprofessional, and she finished the tour. Cleo would've been still branded as unprofessional if she left the tour in the beginning.
@@TheMelody15 agreed, and that’s kind of my point. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. But at least she fulfilled her obligation like a champ so they can’t disparage her work ethic
@TheSpace2Create Technically, it wasn't an obligation, Cleo was free to leave at any moment, she had no contractual ties. I understand that Cleo stayed on the tour for exposure, but in the end, it wasn't worth her safety and dignity.
agree 100% as chrissie said, its a a learning curve for her. She needs to know to keep it professional
Cleo gave her her whole style!!! It’s crazy! Happens to the best of us
I believe for drkskn women we are raised to receive value by being impressionable and helpful which leads to people pleasing and poor boundaries. It’s a hard game to learn until being put through the ringer of experience. And yes selfishness I am learning is normalized in society. But I will say even being competitive gets you so far.
Yes. Growing up, I was constantly criticized for anything I did. So I always tried to please people which lead to constant apologies, having no boundaries for myself, allowing people to treat me bad, etc. I’m learning more to have stand for myself and Chrissie has helped me a lot for that self-confidence. I am finally unlearning the toxic conditioning I have been fed my whole life and not allowing anyone to disrespect me, no matter how big or small.
Yep
This comment is all truth. I has to do some soul searching and realized as a young girl I behaved this way to seem valuable to those around me
They’re very threatened by beautiful dark skinned women and they know it.
Story of my life
Absolutely! Especially when you are tall slender, have great skin and features.
@@KushQueen9👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Story of my life 🧿
AND WE’RE GONNA KEEP OUR PEDICURED FEET ON THEIR NECKS 💅🏿🤎💥
How come no one is mentioning how UNtalented ice rack is????
I think it's because it irrelevant. Actual talent is far and few between in the entertainment industry.
Talent minus hustle and networking doesn’t go anywhere. There’s sooooo many talented singers in New York subway stations, for ex, yet majority will remain undiscovered. Have to create connections if you have none.
Because its common knowledge. Everybody knows Ice is untalented.
Ice rack nickname is Mrs talentless, poopy .
@@Ur_gal_paunetworking? She is just sleeping with her manager. That’s not networking
I’ve been been ignoring artists like Cardi, Ice Spice, Tyla, and def Lotto. I wish more of us would support the artists that look like us instead of only WISHING they would get more shine. GIVE THEM the shine. lol
Exactly 💯 BW4EVER ❤️
Ayra and Tems❤❤❤
@@canesugar911- Yes! Coco Jones, Normani etc…
Same!
YOur a 70 yer old man who married a poor WW for 20 years and chased WW single parents while married bitter that no BW wanted you! As much as you hated on BW they disregarded you and they should have! *KARMA MACEO*
“We gone be evil together, IDGAF.” This is absolute gold! 😂 💯
Periodt!!!❤
Yess I love it❤❤😂
Shooot if the shoe fit
There is absolutely nothing attractive about Ice Spice over any other woman.
She lost that weight and now she’s definitely famous for no reason
if she were darker than a paper bag with a face like that more people would call a spade a spade. she’s not cute in the face. dark skin women have to look like naomi campbell to be considered cute but women like ice spice are able to skate off looking like that. she’s no beyoncé or rihanna lmaoo.
She’s not attractive Period😅
It’s the porcelain skin
@@lorealjane9192her skin tone isn’t considered porcelain. Porcelain skin is actually someone like Dakota fanning.
They’ve always been in imaginary one sided competitions with me. I feel bad for them because a lot of them are deeply insecure.
Stop hanging with them
@@HoneyChild-8they get insulted when you don’t talk to them. Same with ww. They’ll have several friends, but still focus on the bw. Bully behavior.
@@user-pd4qj8pb6z so in your world biracial women are obsessed with you and you just can’t get away from them?
@@HoneyChild-8 I don’t lol.
Yeah and they try to control you.
There are a gazillion women envious of dsbw about so many things. It always goes both ways. Shanquella Robinson was dark skinned, gorgeous and succesful. That's why they conspired and killed her.
Still sick about this.
Some bw are crabs in a, bucket. We could stars in the, sky. But they only want a few to, exist.
I am still hurt about Shanquella. Dsbw like Kelly Rowland and Venus Williams are aging really well. I admire them. The black skin looks healthy and exotic. I am a brown skinned black woman and l always felt this way about dsbw. For me, it is admiration, not envy and competition.
You made such a good point Chrissie, you're supposed to show all the proof in the world that a light person is colorist, but no proof is needed to accuse dark women of jealousy.
That's the way it is in life including any kind of comment section. If a dark skinned woman says ANYTHING negative about a lighter woman; she's called out as a jealous hater by strangers.
"If you know, you know" is so flipping right! A jealous non-black woman can be one of the meanest nastiest women that walk this earth. God forbid a ds black woman get attention in their presence. Its crazy! I believed Cleo when she was telling her story. I also believe they were both using each other ...
I don't believe that they were both using each other. I do wish that Cleo was smart enough to use ic though, she wouldn't be this hurt. 🤷
Yup. Definitely don’t underestimate how colorist some of these light skinned girls are just because they are seen hanging with dark skinned girls. At my previous college it was these girls that were cousins. One light skin, one dark skin. At first I thought they were adorable cause they seem to get along well and have a special bond and then one day I heard them joking around with each other making a reference to Rosa Parks and the light skinned was like “They would’ve put you at the back of the bus, not me, cause I’m light skinned and you black as hell”. They were both laughing but still her colorism came out and she is fully aware she benefits from being lighter skinned and will use that to make herself seem better than her own cousin🤷🏾♀️
The irony is that Rosa Parks was a light skinned woman. Wow.
@@user-oh8et3xz1z lmao exactly
Rosa Parks was only used because she was the preferred to be publicly named when it was actually DSBW who refused to sit in the back of a bus. Let that sink in.
Or at least possibly not represent the movement because Claudette Colvin was before Rosa Parks and it seems like her skin tone and young pregnancy(via an older man who preyed on this teen girl) played a role is not getting the recognition she deserved until recent years. So her cousin was kind of right.
Unfortunately in school I did that with my light skin bestie at the time. I was in middle/highschool and at the time it seemed harmless but in the end it was definitely competition throughout our whole friendship
Same in my childhood I was gaslighted, it’s actually a form of abuse. But then again if racism is abuse - so is colourism. Watching your videos prepared me for war. I started watching your videos as a 12 year old 13 year old and took a lot of years for the information to enter my head. But it did, and it is hard for me to be gaslighted
I now only act and think strategically, because I know other people have - your videos explained everything I went through, I can now look back and analyse everything. It helps me in the real world, the sooner our eyes open and ears the better.
@@no-one00preach. Chrissie’s videos validated everything about my experience and observations. I knew I wasn’t crazy, and that my feelings were valid.
I hate when ppl tell bw “two wrongs don’t make a right” yes it DOES make it right. If everybody is putting their own image first then bw should do the same . They don’t want bw to catch on . They’re already mad about the bw in luxury aesthetic promoting dsbw as feminine and classy.
The black wife effect trend, u seen how fast non bw created their own version?! 😂😂😂 The soft black girl trend, nobody was talking about soft this and soft girl life until bw made it popular all over tiktok and now they’re copying. It is all competition! Telling us not to do something they’re already doing or plan on doing
THIS!!🎯🎯
They do everything we do.
The worst part is that the whole term “soft life” is Nigerian and isn’t necessarily about women, but just living a luxurious life. No one seems to know this which is interesting…
As the light skin girl in the comments: I heard enough from both Cleo and Ice to decide Ice IS colourist. We don’t need to do any more fact checking to be clear about this. Ice is jealous, competitive, narcissistic and a colourist. There is no debate here. Cleo’s story was too full of detail and nuanced to be untrue.
this space is not for you
@@traumaqueeen Hello gorgeous girl. I agree with you. I have checked and double checked with Christie and her followers previously, and whilst I understand this space is not designed for me, the feedback I received is that it is not necessarily negative that I am in it. I try to keep my comments on this channel to a minimum except in the situations where I feel I can add value through validation of a topic I know something about. So if I feel there is gaslighting for example regarding colourism, I will say so from my perspective. If my comments are upsetting, invalidating, triggering or annoying I won’t comment in future. Open to hear your response🙏🏾💖
@@traumaqueeensure it is… it’s for you as well… likeminds only
@@YaBasicMillenialdamn, now I see how I might have looked, hope you brush your teeth 5 times after that kind of ass kissing comment. What a kiss ass.. B
oth sides have their arguments, no need to baby cuddle
@@YaBasicMillenial You are cool and unproblematic. This space is for you. Ignore her.
“What happens when it’s reverse” as a pretty darkskin girl who was hated on by mostly lighter skin women. I had to seek forceful protection from these women because they got so jealous and angry to the point of wanting to harm me.
I fought them ALL.
Same thing happened to me, when I would get the attention and the praise they were so mean to me and tried to get me fired on the job
I’m always getting stared at by mixed women and black male and I pay them dust.
It's disturbing
It's weird. Are Black Women a deity? Serious question because WHY DO THEY WANT OUR ATTENTION SO BAD.
Demonic spirits operating in them
@@roshellegouldbourne787 lmaooo EVERYONE. Why is everyone so obssesed?
Chrissie I love your commentary as usual and your always speaking facts.. Until Darker Skin/BW stay on code and place themselves on pedestals and not living vicariously through Ambiguous/Lighter Skin women this will continue time and time again.. It’s nothing wrong with being friends with whoever but use your discernment and vet them out as well 😏
Exactly! Nonbw tell themselves they’re “better” just bc pf their complexion (even when they’re mediocre) & BW will buy into it & Agree to it by trying to change themselves to fit the beauty standards of these nonBW, & by not putting their own image on a pedestal instead
This Cleo and icicle debate is truly showing how black women are starting to wake up. If this was ten years ago everyone would be calling Cleo bitter. I know it won’t last long but I’m hoping this wakes us up from blindly supporting non black women
Icicle 😭😭😭
This makes me think about Victoria Monet and for a long time I knew that Ariana grande was biting off her style and I just could not understand why people wasn’t mentioning that. I’m so happy that Victoria Monet is getting the credit she deserves now . BW no more being nice ‼️
Cleo was just on the Impact NYC she has her own clout and fans she should have stopped messing with Ice Spice after Ice said she was jealous I really hate seeing black woman be side kicks Cleo should have left the tour she wasn't getting paid or promoted so why be used as a prop
Chrisse we missed you ❤
I’m excited she’s back talking about biracial women! It’s so refreshing
@@HoneyChild-8 Everyone and they mama been talking about this topic 😂 you sound so bothered and a hater for no reason
@@katlynnbell dark skinned women are hurt by this?
Yes, the problem with us is that we're not strategic enough!!! They are definitely cut throat. Get your head in the game, BW!
Exactly this! I think most non-black women are like that. They put themselves firs, unlike black women. We even put a whole male demographic (black men) before us. Believe me, white women absolutely do not.
@@deesdees324💯💯💯💯. The low self esteem is glaring. We think not recognizing it will make it go away. It's mentally lazy. But nobody respects it.
One of my light-skinned service brothers in Germany told me he doesn't like hanging out with other light-skinned guys because they would get too much attention, he was a little intoxicated 😅🤣. I had stopped following anyone around unless it's also in my interest, so it didn't faze me. Unintentionally or not, most light-skinned blacks have been raised in a our community as perferred, so when they're not, they feel "cheated".
So true including family most light skinned people I’ve been around definitely feel like they are better they won’t say it out loud but their mannerisms says different .I’ve seen in families the lightest is always considered to be better looking even if it’s not true.
💯💯💯
Yup had a family that knew me call me a big black girl in a argument like what tf
@@Jordan-kj8xuSorry to hear this.. yess family is the worst
@@latonyaaustin4669 they are !
How do professionals not know to get agreements in writing?
This is what I was wondering.
She thought she was her friend. She kept saying that.. not thinking a “friend” would be shady
She better do like Coco Jones❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
I love the way Coco looks. Beautiful face and classic style and no bbl ( I am not against plastic surgery, but that procedure seems off)
Chrissie let's face it, she only did Cleo like that because she wanted to humble a dark skinned girl. We see this all the time. We're not dumb.
The way Stale seasoning fell off is wild. 🙁
STALE SEASONING IM DEADDDDD
😂😂😂😂😂
Not really since she never had much to offer in the first place; it was inevitable
How dare you be this pretty as a dark skin woman has been my experience. Let’s talk about it… I read energy very well.
Chrissie is right, some light skinned besties definitely are colorist and think they’re better. I have one in my life but I feed her with a long spoon because when I met my now husband she started acting weird. She was used to being the one with all the guys and men doing things for her, but when I met him and she noticed how generous he was to me and how he loves on me,she started making slick comments and acting funny as if I wasn’t deserving of good treatment etc. I could write so much smh.
Yup! It will usually be revealed when they aren't getting the attention they think they should only get! They also strategically befriend women who they think aren't as attractive as them. We need to know this!
One thing I LOVE about Bree Runway is how she only uses darkskin backup dancers/models in her videos
Hey Chrissie, so Last week me and my husband went out to eat at this Japanese spot in Cali and you can basically cook your own ramen at the table, you would just have to go get the condiments that you want to put in your ramen. So i went up to get my condiments. When i came back, my husband stated that the woman in the stripe dress behind him came over to talk to him as soon as i got up. The other woman, behind him as well kept staring at us, all in our conversation, cant fatium the fact im laughing having a could time. And i knew she couldnt help herself to say something to me. As soon as they were done eating, cause we came after them, she told me she likes my shoes, and what are they. Mind you she couldn't see my shoes at first because shes behind my husband and im facing her. So when they were getting ready to leave they pretty much stood there and had their husband pay the bill. They standing there looking at me from head to toe, bothering us while were eating, and literally bold enough to talk to my husband alone the moment i got up.
What did you or your husband do?
YOUR husband should of shut that shit down immediately. Just imagine if he did.
Are you married to a black man? Your husband seems like he enjoyed the attention instead of checking the women.
@charmaineespeut4627 my husband is a lil more forward than I am, so he told her to go away cause he tryna eat. I didn't do anything to the woman in stripes, she kept pacing back and forth and her father even asked if she was okay. As for the mother who approached me about my shoes I told her what they were, then she proceed to indirectly tell me her profession in life, cause she would like to have my shoes to wear in her scrubs.
@@Shannafai I'm sorry they disrupted your date. People are so weird thats why I prefer to stay home
I better not see any black woman support eye spy anymore. She needs that brian McKnight treatment
Damn Rite 💯
“Eye spy”🤣🤣🤣🤣
You know they will tho.
Mama is a fair skin tone woman and I am chocolate. I'm grateful she's not a self hating black woman. If anything she's the reason I've always loved myself. #Grateful
My mom was brown and true as my coco skin my momma used to hype me over everyone; and I grew I knew and when I got older my self esteem was too great to grate ❤❤❤
Black women, if you're going independent in the industry, PLEASE learn the business(behind the scenes) and hire accordingly. It's clear Cleo is unaware of the logistics and under estimate what comes with being independent in the entertainment industry... Being independent sounds great, but it's not as simple as you think....
One the craziest thing is Ice bit off of cleotrappa style so bad it's not even funny. LMAO , she was wearing cheap body suits from rainbow before cleo came in.
Facts!
She used her, I wasn't surprised when she said she didn't have any real blk friends
I heard an influencer say Spice Rack has a kink for seeing ds bw struggle and get embarrassed, and that described everything perfectly. Hence why she wanted her to carry her own luggage, dressing in bathrooms or corners, publicly telling her she needed to get her own room, not inviting her out to eat. The fact that everyone is also speaking on Spice’s dark energy, and that video of how she was acting during that man’s prayer, Cleo really put herself in danger choosing to continue to stay on tour.
As soon as I seen this situation I literally was waiting for your coverage - this is the same song and dance we've been playing/doing for decades now! I started being in these spaces at 19 and just turned 25. Your nb or ambiguous friends will always feel like they have a leg up on you whether it's expressed clearly or not; they understand how society pedistalizes them and move accordingly to their benefit (as they shouold; honestly). Denying this out of fear of looking like the angry/jealous unambiguous black friend is going to have you ending up like Baby Storne and Cleo.... I won't NOT befriend biracial, ambiguous or non black women but I'm always extra cautious around them when it comes to expecting true loyalty and sisterhood. I know because I have to deal with this from my blood sister. It eats them up to see the "less desirable" woman get praises and get along with people they're also in acquaintance with - that's typically when the green goblin rears its head. Always be mindful around women that don't look like you. Of course you should be strategic period, but I feel like you're less likely to experience true sisterhood with women that don't look like you and share your experience. Much love to you all - stay gracious!
I made this comment before actually watching - I was just eager to see you speaking on it. I'm happy to know we're on the same page lol I've learned from the best!!
This! Because as much as some may not want to be in this competition, ignoring it isn't safe. It's usually there in some form!
EXACTLY ‼️ I learned in HS you can’t be friends or have GENUINE SISTERHOOD with people that don’t look like you. 🤷🏽♀️
@@gabrielleelaine1515 very rare but not non existent! EXTREMELY rare tho. It's just about finding good people, no matter what they look like because I've experienced some wicked stuff from those that look like me too. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🔥🔥🔥🔥
I simply stay to myself. I only have two friends who are like me ( mono-racial unambiguous Black American women with Coastal Georgia Ancestry). We get all get along and I don’t feel that we have any competition with each other. We simply love to travel, eat, and attend concerts. I’m so thankful for my little community of friends.
The friendship was probably alittle more mutually beneficial before until it wasn't anymore. I'm def still on Cleo side tho. She coulda did things differently but she handled it best she could. She's young and these lessons are great to learn now rather than in your 30s.
Honestly I’ve noticed you’ve said a lot of things that turned out to be true. Or I’ve looked at old videos and saw many of the tips/ solutions used for dark skinned people were said by you years ago.
Cold rice “ set up her for embarrassment!
“The Darker the Flesh the Deeper the Roots” ~Tupac Shakur
Yes he said that but he was also dating an average looking mixed chick, who’s an industry pass around.
@@ChosenChild-j9i- FACTS!!! And don’t forget he “secretly” had a love affair with Madonna, of all ppl! As a Gen X’r from that time I will NEVER look @ him the same…. 🤦🏾♀️….
Chile Tupac like all of the other black males still worshipped non-black women. Please don't be fooled by by his music.
@@saramatthews7159He talked about being pro black women and how much he loved us, yet he was sleeping with white women and biracial women. He made beautiful music but he was a hypocrite. He even disrespected an elder black women named delores C Tucker and she had to sue him. I’m glad his brown skinned wife left and knew her worth. May he Rip.
They really don’t like it when you are a darker complexion but you have some features that they feel they should have instead of you. I had two biracial sisters as “friends” as a child. They would always brag about how wavy their hair was. Then my mom started letting me get my hair straightened. They got jealous and picked a fight with me and stopped talking to me all together. One girl in high school would frequently tell me it looked like I had cut my hair, when actually I hadn’t but she was insecure about her own hair. Another light skin woman looked at me with disgust and said “how you this black with freckles??”
More recently I made a new “friend” and I guess she thought I would be enamored by her looks and thought I was gonna fall up under her. We went to a party and I went and got a drink and came back and she said “you didn’t get me one?” I surely didn’t, your legs not broke and I ain’t no man! A few weeks after I met her I met my husband and we got serious fairly quickly. I honestly believe she was interested in him. Even to this day she tells people I didn’t like him at first which isn’t true at all…I just knew to keep these heffas in their place and out my business. Shortly after I started dating, she met this guy that she clearly settled for. They got engaged after we did but she made sure they got married first. At one point we shared our wedding ideas and she came back and said she was thinking of doing the same colors I chose. She would try to one up me on everything but would fail cuz she ain’t me 😂😂. We don’t talk now but we follow each other’s social media. Every year she tags me on my anniversary and welcomes me to the *insert year here* marriage club. That fool got married one month before me. I guess she has to remind me that she got married first 😂😂.
She had that beige rage. Losing sleep out of, jealousy.
yeah and your slow ahh still follows her
@@glamglam8347 slow? A follow is not that serious to me, but I guess we’re all different!
Why do you think they are so jelous of us?
Why are they so jelous of us? Them and white women.
Seeing Ice and Cleo a photo together.... Cleo is giving main character energy.
Call me mean but after my card got used and my bags didnt get carried I would have online causing a scene during Ice spice tour oh well sis😂
I love when Chrissie come back ❤
They start moving WEIRD when it’s a level or lopsided playing field not in their favor. They wouldn’t last a day in the asylum (system) we grew up in.
The one thing I want all DS women to read is the 48 LAWS OF POWER!!. the best way to compete is to make people think believe you are not competing. if the Colorists are gonna be passive aggressive, DS BE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE. I seen this girl on tiktok said Cleo played her cards right during that time. For Ex. if Cleo left early, the conversation would be "the difficult blk girl". etc etc. CLEO played 48 laws of power well, because PUBLIC OPINION hung her enemy. BW PLAY THE GAME!!. Y not? EVERYONE else is. This is self defense at this point.
Btw, The guy who acted like he was the stylist on tour was proven to be a clout chasing phony. 8:08
Starving someone is CRAZY!
Y'all are NOT mean enough for me!!! This should have never happened and been this dramatic
She should’ve called the police after the credit card, stunt. I don’t know how she stayed so, long. Especially with little pay and accommodations.
chrissie can you please do a video on tyla. i don't see her as a black woman (i thought she was indian at first) and it's quite refreshing that she doesn't identify as black and has taught the american black community that mixed race people are allowed to be mixed race. however, it's not lost on me that she uses black/african cultures, aesthetics, and identity to push her mediocre music career and despite the fact that she is a colored girl mixed with indian and white; like her dad is literally indian, so why is that not reflective in the way she presents herself? something about tyla is very off to me and i feel like black women are so self hating to call it out or call out these mixed race women using our likeness/identity to take our places in media and even our communities. black people/women literally sat on the internet and bullied tyla for not identifying as black... when she is CLEARLY a multiracial indian leaning looking girl.. she doesn't even look very black when you take off all the cosplay. and idgaf if she's from south africa, i used to LIVE in SA as an expat in Jo-burg, the city where tyla is from, and i went to international school there so i was around a lot of south africans and international people. It's one of the most segregated cities in SA and a lot of the colored people in south africa look down on black people (colored is a term originating during apartheid and apartheid ended in 1994) like i literally had a colored girl so confused that i lived in one of the affluent neighborhoods of jo-burg because i was black (mind you SA is a majority black country). so it's hard for me to believe Tyla isn't colorist or a lil antiblack because i have experienced a lot of hatred from colored people in south africa surprisingly more than from the white/afrikaans people over there. anyway after the whole 'is tyla black' convo i have decided to not support her anymore. i am tired of mixed race girls being black women's representation. like your telling mke out of all the talented girls in south africa, a country that is majority black, it was tyla a mixed race woman who is the one just who just so happens to be pushed as an international act? yea i am not buying it anymore. i am so done with the obvious agenda that they are trying to push. they already pushed this agenda in America and as an african person i can't allow them to push these self hating agendas on my african people. africa doesn't have much but at least we have our identity and i can't not let western propaganda media take it from us
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@😂😂😂😂😂 to you 2 HoneyChild-8
I completely agree with you, i think the music industry sees black people as idiots to make easy money off of if they dangle some fake caramel candy with cornrows in front of us and it angers me so much. Tyla is entirely fake and that will unfortunately be her downfall... or maybe they will continue to push this plant on us until we forget what she truly is... but yeah good on you for choosing not to support, i will follow suit. With enough discipline we can definitely redirect the attention to artists who are actually black and african.
Lol and indian girl with cornrows making afrobeat like she's authentic😅😅😅 we need to GET OUT
I am South African and we don't usually hangout with coloured people. They identity as white and would rather be closer to white people. It happens in a country like ours where there is a history of privilege for one group, they want to benefit from their proximity to whiteness. I have experienced so much anti blackness from those people. I refuse to support her, that community wants nothing to do with black south africans... NOTHING!
Black women in South Africa are supporting that charlatan very loudly they consider anyone saying the charlatan shouldn’t be the representative of South African township music is called a hater. They’ll learn. DSBW are a problem especially the celebrity types for supporting these carbon copies and then crying when it all goes wrong. I’ve stopped supporting DSBW celebrities and their work unless they are Africans being one myself. It’s a thankless task supporting them. They perpetuate the mixed race coddling which trickles down to ordinary women. I’m pleased to say I’ve never supported any mixed people men or women because I’ve always understood they’re not our people. My identity is Bantu which nobody can copy
Colorism is truly exhausting. Like when u think u have a true friend, and realize they are just like everyone else who think you’re not valuable because u ain’t light skinned. Tuh!
The best way to win is to lean into ur natural looks. No matter what the media tries to convince u of ur unambiguous black features are seen as beautiful and valued u simply have to lean into it and care for. Afro hair, dark skin, round features all of it.
Cleo didn’t know spice was talking about her
Baby Stormie SHOWED the WORLD those text messages AND warned Cleo that Ice Spice did not like her. Cleo literally old Storm that she was going to fight her and took Ice Spice side.
Guilty until proven innocent is right. Last year I became friends with an ex coworker (black daddy /white mom) who claimed to be such an advocate of dsbw 🙄 Chi.. after 7 months of calling me “sis” I learned on mad day she wasn’t a colleague but blankin colonizer. Never falling for it again they are all like this I don’t care.. I don’t care.. 40 years old & it’s still happening I should’ve known. 😂
I’ve never clicked so fast 😂 I really NEEDED you to educate the girlies about this one
Not shocked, I never cared for Ice Spice. The only fair skinned female rapper that I've seen publicly address ds colorism honestly in recent years is Renni Rucci, and with her, I think it's because her mom was black.. True allies speak up when there's nothing in it for them.
Yup. Her mom was black and darkskinned
Cleo said she had a conversation with ICE about the leaked text messages and ice downplayed it like I call everyone jealous of me, even my mom
So yes CLEO knew ice was weird before the tour and I think Cleo chose to ignore it to keep her connections and ties to her since ICE is the bigger star right now
I don’t feel bad for Cleo. It sucks they disrespected, her. But that’s what happens when you put on your mammy, cape. It always, backfires.
@@user-pd4qj8pb6z I think DSBW are starting to learn about prioritizing the preferences and dimming their own light. Stand for nothing, fall for anything.
Like she showed her hand on how she felt towards DSBW & when those text leaked, Cleo wanted to lie to herself as if she was the exception that ICE didn’t have her nose rooted up towards her just those other kind a dsbw .
I feel bad cuz I’m sure it was a very uncomfortable situation but a good lesson for to when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
@@user-pd4qj8pb6z Idk if this is true or not but I also heard that Baby Storm tried to warn Cleo about Ice Spice but she completely dismissed her concern and really had to learn the hard way on her own.
I've never liked Ice Spice music, she sounds very monotone to me.
Never wait for the trickle-down effect from others. No one will validate you the way YOU would validate yourself. Along with my spirits, I am my own idol. No one else!
Funny how it should be the males competing. Men are not the prize lol
This is the level of desperation that happens when you narrow your dating pool down to BM only. They seem to be naturally more feminine and want to act like princesses and be chased by women and silly women who don't know any better fall for it and end up competing with each other.
is has to do with beauty and status not really men
Someone in the comments said that Ice was on the spectrum . What is with this trend of saying that evil hurtful people are on the spectrum ?!! SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT NICE PEOPLE .
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I think they meant Down syndrome.
Welp, botH can be and are also Often true, folks have to remember that Old Spice era comes (Literally) from a Ton of people from the Crackbaby Era-and manyyy times thiS is the Result of it!!! 💥
@@nikkirockznikkirockz8551 Oooh I have to admit you made a point. Women during this era were also told that smoking does not harm the fetus but this is a whole video in itself.
@@NicolePhenix Folks did know by that era smoking was bad for the baby, they started pushing more heavily in the 70's about that-but the parents of Stale Spice's age were hit hard during the 80's "rock" epidemic thoiugh-and the results can be seen in their offspring..
Yea they definitely start to feel some sorta way when you start getting more attention, they really be haters whole time.
Trust
Stop birthing your enemies let’s start there.
For real
Pur
okayyy!!!!
first of all most of these mixed women are made by black men and raised by white women
their behaviour isn't black woman's fault
they choose to act like that
I hope you are referring to black men
Chile i never heard of cleo until this video and i shole can’t tell you one song from ice spice or cleo.
Cleo was popular on tik tok and ig since 2020.She always had her own popularity
What!!!!
Unfortunate, I been knew Cleo, just not for her music
Chrissie, I know you are tired of talking about colorism but I always recommend your older content on the topic to these young girls.
This !!!!
There are a lot of women who have no idea how to be a friend. They just want to get close for competition… even when they are initially trying to be a friend I have learned that many are still secretly competing which is crazy to me. Soon as they see your vulnerability or you suffer a hardship then they are mocking you or glad you aren’t succeeding. I’ve had to remove many women from my life who acted like this and many were colorists…now I have a few genuine friends who have good intentions in our friendship and
Most people that bullied me were black males and yt women and mixed women. I’ve had my hair pulled and head banged against a window by a biracial girl and she told me I was jealous that her hair was longer. Got repeatedly kicked and tormented by another biracial girl in school as well. A yt girl in my early hs job told me told me I was jealous they were taking the black men ( she was in a dv relationship with a black male). At that same job a light skin girl tormented me daily because she said I was jealous that she was light skinned 😂
And yet, you have gorgeous hair and skin tone. Sounds like they were jealous of you.
@@mantodectuspapillio2383 thank you! ☺️ Things didn’t click until I got older. Definitely moving accordingly now
@rogeyyeast1500 My pleasure, love. You have God's skin and hair. Don't forget it.
@@rogeyyeast1500 My pleasure. You have God's skin and hair. Never forget that.
@mantodectuspapillio2383 She has a complexion and hair type that was created beautiful, however God should not he compared to any human. Just like he's not White with blue eyes, he's not melanated with coils. Do not associate human attributes to God.
I am grateful to Cleotrapa for speaking up. A lot of us have been through situation where we were bullied by sneaky none black women and now we're scared of speaking up because people would make us and others believe that we are just jealous and we are the problem. They would defend the none black woman systematically. Now judging by how many people men and wonen are defending Cleotrapa, we can tell that things are startinh to change. Lighter skin women can no longer bully us as easily and pretend to be the poor vulnerable victim. I agree that Cleotrapa better move on now and publish songs that have nothing to do with that beef. I also agree that neither of them is mindblowingly talented.
I saw a clip of Ice Spice and Cleo on Kai Cenat live stream and Cleo was definitely looking like a sidekick. DSBW often befriend LSBW and mixed women to live vicariously through them and I agree when the DSBW start getting more attention and respect, the other women feel threatened.
I also think this is a woman thing in general. I've heard of this happening with women who are overweight. Their friends love them when they're fat then start acting shady when they lose weight and are more attractive.
Women in general constantly have this secret competition in their minds with other women. Even women they call their "Friend".
I’m so off topic but is the divine dark skin facebook page gone?
I deactivated it (as well as DDS on IG) temporarily around the time people were stealing my content and photos from my pages. I’ll eventually put them back up as well as the videos.
@@ChrissiesWay awesome!
Cleotrapa's manager is Will he is Wendy Williams manager he used to be a jeweler he seems like the type to want to get his percentage so I have a feeling Cleo pushed for no contract because her "Friend" said she would be good and thats dumb on Cleo's part
Ice has a superiority complex over Cleo and genuinely believes that Cleo shouldn’t complain, even when treated disrespectfully. But if the roles were reversed, and Ice had to perform at Cleo’s concert, how do you think she’d react if she was told to carry her own luggage? Lol.
The Ism's are never going away!
I think colorism will🤷🏾♀️ but that’s just me
In every photo, Cleo's melanin is just off the charts for me! Ice looks washed out on many of the photos, like raw chicken. Since I was a girl, im thankful to my father, who always told me how cute I am! I didn't even realize colorism was a thing until college! My husband is light skinned, but he chose me, and I accepted. I didn't go for him. I like any shade of Black man so as I'm treated well! Honestly, while I'm me, I dont feel any light skinned woman can hold a candle to me. 💯🎯‼️
Wait so they told cleo she wasnt in the budget for a tour thats they INVITED her to?! Am I hearing this right?!
Here’s one.. Me and my husband like to go dancing.. a lot lol. Anyway it just so happens that we are usually surrounded by Latinx, white, or some other non-black mix of people and we are always the only black couple there if there’s any at all. Well I remember one time me and my husband were sitting out a song and this white woman had been staring at us like all night long and my husband had never asked her to dance or even paid her any attention really because he just prefers dancing with me only. He’s just always been that way. Anyway why is she on the dance floor standing directly in front of him while we’re sitting at a table chatting, and she’s out here doing jumping jacks, cartwheels, doing THE most to try and get his attention 😂. Like B! I’m sitting RIGHT HERE but like, in her mind I didn’t exist and she just wanted him to ask her to dance so bad. My husband leans over and goes “why is this is this woman so desperate for my attention rn lol” I got second hand embarrassment for her 🤦🏾♀️
I'm a regular-schmegular black chick. Real skinny because genetics and anemia. Somewhere on the coffee with a touch of cream spectrum...I've witnessed all the 💩you mentioned about being hat3d on. I'm unambiguously Black with 4b hair. Most of the hate I get from other women I think is due to my hair because it's long, nappy, healthy and natural. Silly and petty. But I get a lot of ww hair flipping around me, giggles and stares from some, straight up hostility from fellow bw.
Examples: Got attention when mixed Cuban friend got none and I was in jeans + tee shirt while she was showing hella skin. She was real quiet and I could sense the upbeat vibe she arrived with was off. Long since cut her off after seeing the lo-key shade and hate. Another instance, I was in new job training. There was a ratchet, hood chick of an Ice Spice coloration that would literally LEAN IN MY PERSONAL SPACE TO BLOCK MY LINE OF SIGHT as we are sitting at the conference table listening to the onboarding speaker! She made it a POINT to always jump in front of me when we went from place to place in the building during the orientation. Any question I asked was met with a sneer from her. If I happened to catch her glare, it would chill my blood. Never met this crazy woman before that day. Insane!
Last example is fairly recent. About a week ago, was in the store in the water aisle. I don't dress 'cool' or faddish, so I literally had on capri tights and a goofy pineapple dreadlock cartoon tee shirt. I look like a giant, lanky 6th grader. A larger bw dressed like Barbie in hotpink ruffle mini skirt w/lighter pink baby doll top arrives with her male in tow. She immediately starts sizing me up and I do my best to focus on the water. So, she stares at me while contorting herself all weird and making faces at me. I could feel the hostility. I was just existing and trying to buy some water. Never even looked directly at her or her 'man'. I'm not even really 'pretty', just normal. This is my life tho.
Spice nose bridge looks weird to me
That’s an Afrocentric feature… smells like featurism
Everything about that man in drag looks weird & slow af. I never actually stared at its face till this Live...but YiKES!
So Cleo had no contract?
I hope she learned what the industry is like from this. I wish her the best.
I hate when we talk about colourism and we get told we're projecting.
I'm stuck in the past with my music, still listening to 90s and 00s R&B.
The competition Cleo dealt with is the same competition/acrimony Ice Paint was/facing when the COLLECTIVE OF White women came for her ass with the Madz/Central Cee situation. They were heated! How dare a non WW "steal" this man from Madz-the English rose. EVERYBODY COMPETES.
Just wanted to show some love and appreciation; whatever I can to get the support up 😉😉
I'm not 100% sure if this particular situation was a Colorism issue cause when you zoom out and look at all the women Ice Spice has gotten into it with, Nicki, Latto, Cardi, they were all lightskinned. Ice is just a bad friend.
I think they’re saying it is a colorism issue as well because she basically did this to both of her dark skinned friends and has no other friends who are dsbw.
She seems to treat the dark skinned girls worse tho. That's what makes her colorist.
@@kiasupreme3391she knows the barbz would eat her, up. She knows not to do too much with, Nicki.
They’re also all industry. Cleo is an independent artist. You know some beef with famous ppl is fake right. Cuz it gives em attention and makes them money.
@@sleepyweepy3676 SOME but most aren't. There's nothing to suggest it's fake. The Nicki fallout was definitely real.
@ChrissiesWay you made good points in this video. I need to be more self serving in different aspects in my life. I also need to go back to view some of your older videos ❤❤❤❤
Also stream Baby Storme, her music is so good too!
I don't understand why it's so hard for BW to look at what other people are doing who are successful in the areas they want to gain success in, and copy their behavior. When you want to be great, you study the greats.
If you see other groups of people centering their own image, even with mixed/biracial children, why wouldn't you do the same? If you see other races of women who get the results you want, centering their womanhood and womanly needs, why wouldn't you do the same?
Idk why BW in 2024 think being meek and passive is going to get you anywhere when it never has in the past.
I believe it ‘hits differently’ when you have removed yourself from the black American community and culture as a mono-racial, racially unambiguous black American woman, in order to preserve your peace of mind and happiness. I no longer feel subjected to the Black American community’s hierarchy and have absolutely no problem uplifting my representation, imagery, and phenotype as a proud mono-racial woman who is racially unambiguous. 💕It’s just a different feeling when you’ve created YOUR own culture and lifestyle that uplifts YOU.
We don't never look at any other race, not a man, not a woman, but they always staring us down.
The ACTUAL hairstylist (a DSBW) said that that black man with the orange hair is lying. For clout.