definitely the most performance friendly mixer out there, especially for improvising. I have the V8! The only thing with Edirol mixers is... they are not very good at handling most distorted signals coming from circuit bent devices. Their internal TBCs are not very good, so I always have my bent signals going through a Sima SFX-9 first.
Happy to report that the V4-EX handles distorted signals much better than the V4/8. I was able to consistently overdrive a signal through a Syntonie CBV-001 with no blue screen of death even with default settings!
@@catfullofghosts4478hey just discovered your channel :3 loved this vid! Do you suggest the V-4 or the V-8, there’s a little/quite nothing price difference
Thanks,, Brilliant video,,my V-4 arrived today off eBay,,you did so much with just 1 camcorder input,, so excited me Wot with the 4,inputs can I do,, really enjoyed this,,
Lovely video! Just bought the V-8 for a lousy 100€ and now I'm to connect it to my Roland MV-8800 through V-Link. Can't wait to step back into time and just fiddling around.
Appreciate the deep dive into this mixer! Been in the market for something similar for a long time but this vid really sold me. Curious to know how you manage to get an iPad to input into this. Which cable/adapters?
Ipad 2 has composite video out with a 30pin to rca cable. These Ipads are pretty cheap because of how old they are, but you have to wrangle them a bit to get footage on them.
COOOL !!! you're so right ! there isnt enough online video coverage for these products and I'm so happy you're makin these ! OH Question: where did you get the knobs for that video synth of yours to the left ? they're so sick
The one in this vid, yeah... sorry its on the back log of stuff to do. here is a good video on video synths that are around ATM ruclips.net/video/wFEeg8bo3yk/видео.html&ab_channel=YOVOZOL
not on this one, this is super lofi, that is a reversing camera screen on the table and I just zoom in when editing! The later videos Im using a capture card to get a direct feed tho.
@@catfullofghosts4478 hopefully LZX will be ready to ship the chromagnon soon and after watching your video a few times i am blown away on how many different options this mixer has to offer before you even go into the the video synth. you can even pre record a transition effect and play on one channel and play an effect strait from the menue on another channel while using your other effects on the mixer...i plan on spending hours recording my own clips when ever they ship it...i ordered it when i was 59 and i am now 61 and still do not have it. i guess COVID and supply line issues from china but its presently almost compleat so it should not be long.
Awesome video! I got one from ebay the other day. I've tried a couple different inputs into this thing but it only outputs an unstable black and white signal. If i plug it into the preview out the signal is final and in color. Any ideas what might be causing this? Is the signal too weak or maybe the RCA wires I'm using are shit?
Is the A/B fader adjustable?.... I ordered one and it has a vertical orientation - I noticed there are four screws holding it down on the plate. Rad video! Very excited.
Great video! I have been using the Sima SFX-9 to mangle videos for when me and my buddies dj. It's great fun, but it is on loan. I wanted to buy the Panasonic AG-MX70. Have you or anyone else worked with that machine? Do you think it would be good for mangling the videos together and doing trippy effects? the sima has a key effect where it blends the two sources together depending on what is in the foreground and background. I haven't been able to figure out if the Panasonic AG-MX70 has that capability or if it only has fade in and fade out.
Ive got a AG-MX70, i dont have the 3d card in it tho which lets you do 3d fx. it is very cool, but also big and has a bit of menu diving, its not very glitchy, but it has some pretty cool stuff it can do. I should probs make a quick vid on it. A few people have asked about it.
@@catfullofghosts4478 I'm the original poster, just changed profiles. I ended up buying a V4 (because of your vid ☺) and an mx70. I also have the Eyesy critter and gutari visualizer (highly recommend taking a look at) on one of the inputs. They work really well together, but I'm having some recording issues. When i connect my V4 to a tv or projector using RCA it is crystal clear, but when I send it through an rca to hdmi converter, so that I can record to my computer, there is always some sort of artifact on the recording. Like a slightly fuzzy band, or some other unwanted distortion. Do you have any ideas on how I can get rid of that? i have tried three converters, and they all have their own version of distortion. Here is a music video i made using them all together (with the artifact i mentioned) after watching this video where you talk about using feedback and the Negative effect. drive.google.com/file/d/1qa28n-B-cu7VFbhWwK4IYTBTTUNx2w2B/view?usp=share_link If you don't want that link on your comments i'll take it down.
Thanks for uploading! Have you ever messed with the MIDI capabilities of the V4? I was curious if it may play nicely in a DAWless synth/sequencer chain, or with MIDI signals from a DJ controller + Serato (etc.). Would love to see an in-depth video/post on that biz if you're familiar!
hey hey! I have made a max4live device that controls the V4/V8 github.com/cfoge/MAX4LIVE_V8_V4 They both work great with midi, but I have only ever done it from a computer, rather then from DAWless. I do have a CV to Edirol controller in the works tho.
@@catfullofghosts4478 Hi! Do you know if its possible to use the V4 to control software like OBS, ATEM control... using a MIDI conection??... I mean, its possible to map the buttons, knobs... with MIDI conection to PC?? thanks!
Hola, la fuente de alimentación original se llamaba "PSB-U1", pero ya no se fabrica. Roland está vendiendo una unidad de reemplazo llamada 'PSB-120'. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PSB120--roland-psb-120-ac-adapter
This video was super helpful! One question -- I have an Edirol V8 and I can't seem to get the same "Thick Zebra Stripe" effect when doing feedback with invert. For me, the stripes are so thin that it all sort of melts into one big texture and just appears as flickering, which is a little hard on the eyes. I'd love to get those thick stripes going. Is there a setting that can maybe, idk, change the refresh rate of an input channel? Or would a delay device help accomplish this?
delay will help with that, also the format you are using, PAL has a 50hz refresh rate and NTSC has a 60hz rate (vertical refresh) so the time between frames should be more for PAL (right?), you could try switching into PAL mode to check, also any kind of delay you can put in the way of the feedback will help, it will need to be more then just a long cable tho, something that processes the video will work well, like a video effect.
Will getting it modded effect anything you just showed us, as in, you wouldn't be able to do what you just did? Or is it just extra fx and more money of course.
glitchart.com/shop/modified-edirol-v4/ mostly the cost, and i only have one, the mods are very cool but also extreme, so i feel like i would want a choice.
No, sadly, or at least not directly. Audio and video have different frequency ranges. So an audio effect is pretty unlikely to be able to process the high-frequency video signal. The second barrier to this is that, analogue video has sync information that would be distorted by a delay effect. This might look cool, but more likely it will destroy the signal resulting in the TV (or whatever) being unable to display the imge. Hope that helps
Thanks for doing this video! I've been trying to determine if I wanted to save for one of these or a videonics mx-1... should I save up for one of these, or do you know I'd can I get similar functionality from the more affordable mx-1? After seeing this video, I think I want one of these!
yup, you just need a video capture card that will take the composite video (or s-video) from the V4 and make it show up as a webcam. then you can use OBS or some other software to capture it and stream it however you like.
@@ZackRUclips what kind of computer do you have/ what OS are you running, windows 11 makes a lot of the old ones not work anymore, but pretty much if you can find a cheap one with UVC (that means you don't need drivers) you should be fine, I've got so manny different ones and it is always a bit of a gamble as to which works with what computer/os and what the quality will be
been interested in getting into analog visuals like this, i got a couple camcorders and a crt tv but been looking for a good budget entry video mixer. something cheaper than the v4 preferably. any suggestions? thanks 🙏
Do you know if there's any differences between international versions of these devices? I live in the States and there's a unit currently available on ebay but it is in Australia and missing the power supply. If I were to buy it, would there be any issues with video regions? And could I just buy a US specification power supply somewhere online? Thanks!
the V4 is international, it runs off a DC power supply, so you just need one with the right plug for your county. But the unit can do both NTSC or PAL. Try to get a good quality power supply that matches the specs.
@@catfullofghosts4478 thanks so much for the quick response! Really enjoying your overviews of analog video gear, there's not a lot of people out there doing that with this amount of detail.
On a V4? The chroma key is not really fully featured. I get the impression it is designed for VJing style dirty chroma key rather than traditional fg/bg chroma keying. My other keyers, have things like level, color and intensity/softness settings to let you dial in the settings. V4 has just one knob.
@@catfullofghosts4478 Actually if you take a look in the menu settings for the key you have a few parameters, most importantly the key target color! That should help
Oh really! my bad, I just checked, there is a menu inside the "chromakey*" selector, never knew. Thanks for the heads up. Turns out it is a lot more capable then I thought! Nice!
normally feedback has a lot to do with delay time if you can add delay to the feedback path you will get different effects like a change in direction, but feedback typically moves to the right because that is the way the scanline of composite video moves. You could try longer cables, or putting another piece of equipment in the feedback path, or using a video delay.
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Please continue this series, we need more documentation for people trying to get into video synthesis and glitch art.
definitely the most performance friendly mixer out there, especially for improvising. I have the V8! The only thing with Edirol mixers is... they are not very good at handling most distorted signals coming from circuit bent devices. Their internal TBCs are not very good, so I always have my bent signals going through a Sima SFX-9 first.
Yeah, ture, you can improve that a little by changing/lowering the sync thresh in the setings
Happy to report that the V4-EX handles distorted signals much better than the V4/8. I was able to consistently overdrive a signal through a Syntonie CBV-001 with no blue screen of death even with default settings!
@@catfullofghosts4478 That's a great tip, thx!
@@REALWAREyou can turn the blue screen of death into a black screen of “oh no” in the settings S we’ll just fyi
@@catfullofghosts4478hey just discovered your channel :3 loved this vid! Do you suggest the V-4 or the V-8, there’s a little/quite nothing price difference
Thanks for doing this. I don’t have this unit but I still enjoyed watching it back to fringe! And I love your post-it game.
I wanna hear more about your lil prototype!
instagram.com/p/CCrru68hlDq/
Been beavering away on it in the back ground for a while
@@catfullofghosts4478 Hows is it coming along?
@@HardWiredOnline slowly but surly,
@@catfullofghosts4478 'beavering away' LOL
Just what I was looking for. Thanks, mate
I just bought one of these from a church last month! So cool! Thanks for an actually thorough video!
Just ordered one looking forward to it
you’re literally saving my life rn ty
that seems pretty unlikely right? was Jigsaw like "ill let you go if you can tell me which early 2000s video mixer first made use of BPM sync?"
@@catfullofghosts4478 that is exactly what happened omg
@@xkylar !!!!!!!!!
The keyed feedback is pretty cool, I need to explore that 😃
I look a bit at keyed feedback in this vid:
ruclips.net/video/-ZuOjJNt04s/видео.html&ab_channel=CatFullofGHOSTS
Fantastic video, just what I was looking for to pair a Dirty Video Mixer with too TBC and effect it.
cool! I dont have any TBC's, bu ti feel like its gotta be on my list for doing experimental stuff like that.
Thanks,, Brilliant video,,my V-4 arrived today off eBay,,you did so much with just 1 camcorder input,, so excited me Wot with the 4,inputs can I do,, really enjoyed this,,
the simplest way to do feedback is to connect one of your outputs to another of your inputs then look at the luma key and chroma key.
When you hook up the video synth it really looks fun! Great video
It does! thanks
for any razon, all the used V4 in ebay are from japon
Edirol (a part of Roland) was a Japanese company, could still be some stock still there.
Fantastic walkthrough! Really appreciate your thorough approach to the v4!
Cheers for the feedback tip
Lovely video!
Just bought the V-8 for a lousy 100€ and now I'm to connect it to my Roland MV-8800 through V-Link.
Can't wait to step back into time and just fiddling around.
you got a great deal on it.
Appreciate the deep dive into this mixer! Been in the market for something similar for a long time but this vid really sold me. Curious to know how you manage to get an iPad to input into this. Which cable/adapters?
Ipad 2 has composite video out with a 30pin to rca cable. These Ipads are pretty cheap because of how old they are, but you have to wrangle them a bit to get footage on them.
Thank you for a nice review!
Hey bud, big fan. Do you have any experience with the v5???? I can't find like anything about it on the webz....
COOOL !!! you're so right ! there isnt enough online video coverage for these products and I'm so happy you're makin these !
OH Question: where did you get the knobs for that video synth of yours to the left ? they're so sick
I'm interested in whatthe other four devices you flashed on the screen are, although I feel like this is what I've been looking for!
@ what time code?
@@catfullofghosts4478 @00:35
@@resonantfield oh yeah,
Panasonic MX12 video mixer
Videonics MX1 video mixer
Datavideo SE500 video mixer
and
Korg Kaoss Entrancer video fx
great stuff
love it dude, thankyou muchly. Are you based in Aus?
Hey! Great vid. What kind of monitor is that? I've been looking for tiny screens with rca input.
reversing camera screen, they are pretty cheap on ebay or amazon
How do you feel about the V4ex?
hey man! any idea when we can buy your video synth?? or are there any old skool equivalents out there? love the content :)
The one in this vid, yeah... sorry its on the back log of stuff to do.
here is a good video on video synths that are around ATM
ruclips.net/video/wFEeg8bo3yk/видео.html&ab_channel=YOVOZOL
i see your using a RCA to HDMI converter box coming out.
not on this one, this is super lofi, that is a reversing camera screen on the table and I just zoom in when editing! The later videos Im using a capture card to get a direct feed tho.
@@catfullofghosts4478 hopefully LZX will be ready to ship the chromagnon soon and after watching your video a few times i am blown away on how many different options this mixer has to offer before you even go into the the video synth. you can even pre record a transition effect and play on one channel and play an effect strait from the menue on another channel while using your other effects on the mixer...i plan on spending hours recording my own clips when ever they ship it...i ordered it when i was 59 and i am now 61 and still do not have it. i guess COVID and supply line issues from china but its presently almost compleat so it should not be long.
Awesome video! I got one from ebay the other day. I've tried a couple different inputs into this thing but it only outputs an unstable black and white signal. If i plug it into the preview out the signal is final and in color. Any ideas what might be causing this? Is the signal too weak or maybe the RCA wires I'm using are shit?
I can't retrieve my mini DV videos for the same reason. Hope you figure this one out guy!
My exact problem as well I hope there's a solution
what was the video synth you plugged in?
A prototype im working on called the Cat Vi$$ion
Is the A/B fader adjustable?.... I ordered one and it has a vertical orientation - I noticed there are four screws holding it down on the plate. Rad video! Very excited.
yeah, if you undo the screws you can flip it to left/right. There was even a DJ fader attachment available for fast cuting
Great video! I have been using the Sima SFX-9 to mangle videos for when me and my buddies dj. It's great fun, but it is on loan. I wanted to buy the Panasonic AG-MX70. Have you or anyone else worked with that machine? Do you think it would be good for mangling the videos together and doing trippy effects?
the sima has a key effect where it blends the two sources together depending on what is in the foreground and background. I haven't been able to figure out if the Panasonic AG-MX70 has that capability or if it only has fade in and fade out.
Ive got a AG-MX70, i dont have the 3d card in it tho which lets you do 3d fx. it is very cool, but also big and has a bit of menu diving, its not very glitchy, but it has some pretty cool stuff it can do. I should probs make a quick vid on it. A few people have asked about it.
@@catfullofghosts4478 I'm the original poster, just changed profiles. I ended up buying a V4 (because of your vid ☺) and an mx70. I also have the Eyesy critter and gutari visualizer (highly recommend taking a look at) on one of the inputs. They work really well together, but I'm having some recording issues.
When i connect my V4 to a tv or projector using RCA it is crystal clear, but when I send it through an rca to hdmi converter, so that I can record to my computer, there is always some sort of artifact on the recording. Like a slightly fuzzy band, or some other unwanted distortion. Do you have any ideas on how I can get rid of that? i have tried three converters, and they all have their own version of distortion.
Here is a music video i made using them all together (with the artifact i mentioned) after watching this video where you talk about using feedback and the Negative effect. drive.google.com/file/d/1qa28n-B-cu7VFbhWwK4IYTBTTUNx2w2B/view?usp=share_link If you don't want that link on your comments i'll take it down.
Thanks for uploading!
Have you ever messed with the MIDI capabilities of the V4? I was curious if it may play nicely in a DAWless synth/sequencer chain, or with MIDI signals from a DJ controller + Serato (etc.). Would love to see an in-depth video/post on that biz if you're familiar!
hey hey! I have made a max4live device that controls the V4/V8 github.com/cfoge/MAX4LIVE_V8_V4
They both work great with midi, but I have only ever done it from a computer, rather then from DAWless. I do have a CV to Edirol controller in the works tho.
@@catfullofghosts4478 Hi! Do you know if its possible to use the V4 to control software like OBS, ATEM control... using a MIDI conection??... I mean, its possible to map the buttons, knobs... with MIDI conection to PC?? thanks!
@@RECArmy It has midi out, so I don't see any reason you couldn't use it to control something that takes midi
@@catfullofghosts4478 Thanks!
Saludos cordiales una pregunta amigo por casualidad tendra los datos del Cargador de Voltaje del Edirol v4 le agradecería mucho.
Hola, la fuente de alimentación original se llamaba "PSB-U1", pero ya no se fabrica.
Roland está vendiendo una unidad de reemplazo llamada 'PSB-120'. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PSB120--roland-psb-120-ac-adapter
@@catfullofghosts4478 Muchas gracias
@@ottowhite5720 Encantado de ayudar
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This video was super helpful! One question -- I have an Edirol V8 and I can't seem to get the same "Thick Zebra Stripe" effect when doing feedback with invert. For me, the stripes are so thin that it all sort of melts into one big texture and just appears as flickering, which is a little hard on the eyes. I'd love to get those thick stripes going. Is there a setting that can maybe, idk, change the refresh rate of an input channel? Or would a delay device help accomplish this?
delay will help with that, also the format you are using, PAL has a 50hz refresh rate and NTSC has a 60hz rate (vertical refresh) so the time between frames should be more for PAL (right?), you could try switching into PAL mode to check, also any kind of delay you can put in the way of the feedback will help, it will need to be more then just a long cable tho, something that processes the video will work well, like a video effect.
What Panasonic camrea are you using on this video?
nvds60 , its a great little mini dv camera
Is it worth buying this just for the effects?
kinda yeah
hey Cat, Is is possible to link the effects to midi?
yes, in fact here is a M4L patch for doing just that
catfullofghosts.etsy.com/listing/1578389148
mate do you have any experience using the midi on these i need to up my integration into my setup 😂
Yeah, ive sequenced the V4 from a computer a few times, what were you hoping to do?
Will getting it modded effect anything you just showed us, as in, you wouldn't be able to do what you just did? Or is it just extra fx and more money of course.
glitchart.com/shop/modified-edirol-v4/
mostly the cost, and i only have one, the mods are very cool but also extreme, so i feel like i would want a choice.
Do you know if this device could withstand being rubbed 8 hours a day on a loop for 1 month? Please and thank you
hahahahah! gonna need more context for that one.
When was this released? What year?
2003 i think
hi, how can i send footage from my macbook (2020 - usb-c only) to an input on my edirol ? thanks
Teach me teach me!!
ruclips.net/video/-ZuOjJNt04s/видео.html&ab_channel=CatFullofGHOSTS
It's possible use a guitar delay effect for analog video?
No, sadly, or at least not directly. Audio and video have different frequency ranges. So an audio effect is pretty unlikely to be able to process the high-frequency video signal. The second barrier to this is that, analogue video has sync information that would be distorted by a delay effect. This might look cool, but more likely it will destroy the signal resulting in the TV (or whatever) being unable to display the imge.
Hope that helps
@@catfullofghosts4478 Thank you!!
Thanks for doing this video! I've been trying to determine if I wanted to save for one of these or a videonics mx-1... should I save up for one of these, or do you know I'd can I get similar functionality from the more affordable mx-1? After seeing this video, I think I want one of these!
The V4 is way more playable and fun than the MX-1, imo.
Is there a way to broadcast the Edirol V4's output into my computer?
yup, you just need a video capture card that will take the composite video (or s-video) from the V4 and make it show up as a webcam. then you can use OBS or some other software to capture it and stream it however you like.
@@catfullofghosts4478 that's awesome, thanks a lot! Is there a certain capture card you'd recommend?
@@ZackRUclips what kind of computer do you have/ what OS are you running, windows 11 makes a lot of the old ones not work anymore, but pretty much if you can find a cheap one with UVC (that means you don't need drivers) you should be fine, I've got so manny different ones and it is always a bit of a gamble as to which works with what computer/os and what the quality will be
@@catfullofghosts4478 I'm on Windows 10. UVC, got it! Thank you very much. 🐾
@@ZackRUclips yeah anything that says its UVC should be fine
been interested in getting into analog visuals like this, i got a couple camcorders and a crt tv but been looking for a good budget entry video mixer. something cheaper than the v4 preferably. any suggestions? thanks 🙏
what are the cables you’re using? a composite A/V?
for which part? all the cables are
rca/composite video
Do you know if there's any differences between international versions of these devices? I live in the States and there's a unit currently available on ebay but it is in Australia and missing the power supply. If I were to buy it, would there be any issues with video regions? And could I just buy a US specification power supply somewhere online? Thanks!
the V4 is international, it runs off a DC power supply, so you just need one with the right plug for your county. But the unit can do both NTSC or PAL.
Try to get a good quality power supply that matches the specs.
@@catfullofghosts4478 thanks so much for the quick response! Really enjoying your overviews of analog video gear, there's not a lot of people out there doing that with this amount of detail.
Can't figure out how to key different colours. It only seems to key out my face. Even in front of a green screen.
On a V4?
The chroma key is not really fully featured. I get the impression it is designed for VJing style dirty chroma key rather than traditional fg/bg chroma keying.
My other keyers, have things like level, color and intensity/softness settings to let you dial in the settings. V4 has just one knob.
@@catfullofghosts4478 Actually if you take a look in the menu settings for the key you have a few parameters, most importantly the key target color! That should help
Oh really! my bad,
I just checked, there is a menu inside the "chromakey*" selector, never knew.
Thanks for the heads up. Turns out it is a lot more capable then I thought!
Nice!
You are very funny person cool
great vid, thank you! what are the cameras/ that monitor youre using in this vid?
I have the edirol v4 and the feedback moves to the right instead of up like on yours. Is there a way I can change the direction of the feedback lines?
normally feedback has a lot to do with delay time if you can add delay to the feedback path you will get different effects like a change in direction, but feedback typically moves to the right because that is the way the scanline of composite video moves.
You could try longer cables, or putting another piece of equipment in the feedback path, or using a video delay.