How Guitar Pots Work 250k pots VS 500K pots in my guitar
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I dig that Les Paul type with a Tele set-up. Very cool.
You can customize or change the value of any pot by soldering a resistor to the outside lugs of the pot. For example: 1meg resitor on a 500k pot reduces the value to 330k. You're welcome.
Thanks for taking the time! Useful, for sure.
Is there one for the opposite?
What pot would you put in a telecaster that’s got a Humbucker in the neck and a single coil in the bridge
thinking the same way
Good points Dylan. Yup when you roll back the volume you lose some high end, that's why I use a treble bleed circuit on the volume pot. There are about 4 configurations of these, but they all work well. One other thing to mention that out people don't think about is that the input on a pot is constant. Example: a 500k pot will have a constant 500k from 0 to 10 on the input. Only the output is variable. Have a good one and keep the videos coming.
Great info. Thank you! I really would have loved to listen to this without music. I have my own to listen to. But love your information.
Just built a guitar and switched out the 500k pot with a 100k cuz it was all i had. Sounds great. UPDATE: it was pretty bad when turning down volume and had a hard time with getting much out of the high E. Since the bridge pickup is a single coil and it's what i use most I replaced both pots with 250k and an orange drop cap and it's heaven!
Dylan !! That is the most informative-for-dummies video on these matters I have ever seen on the web. Right down to the matter! Thank you so much. Martin.
Nice vid. Great, and yet simple/clear, explanation. I also agree, about the 500K. I would rather let more signal past the volume pot and shape the signal with tone caps. I typically use a push/pull, with 2 diff cap values.
My few cents here...I think you have to experiment to find out which pickups work well with which pots! I hate that statement that 500k are for humbuckers, and 250k for single coils. The capacitor is also a very important part of the circuit as well, as you can have 250k pots for example, but 0.22 capacitor, and it will make single coils sound a lot brighter. Then again, let me tell you that I had a Dimarzio Evolution humbucker in a guitar with 500k pots, and it sounded like it was farting all the time, I really have no better word to describe the sound xD really was not satisfied at all, Then I put the pickup on a stratocaster with common setup of three 250k pots with 0.47 cap, and all of a sudden it is one of the best bridge humbuckers I've ever tried...there is also the factor of a certain pickup matching well with other pickups in your guitar as well, as the other two single coils in this strat are higher output and made out of ceramic magnets, which is the same material Evolution is made of (note that, from my experiment, only pickups with same magtnets work together the best way in in-between positions - at least it's my opinion, or preffered sound). I also have a guitar with two humbucker-sized single coils (like Gibson's P-94), and I really prefered them with 500k pots and 0.22 cap. But it really depends on the pickups, the guitar (is it a bright or dark sounding guitar?) and what kind of sound they make together.
Absolutely
Hey man, thanks for responding! Just as I saw it, it occured to me to ask you a question as well! Can you wire a pickup, for example a two conductor type, directly to the guitar output jack? In a way that it is always fully on, bypassing any change of sound by potentiometers? I know that the jack has two connections, one is the ground and the other is the hot output, and a pickup has a ground and a lead wire, so is lead the same as hot output?
Absolutely!!! You sure can. You would need a volume pedal or etc
Good to know, thanks!
Okay, I have a MIM start that I’m going to modify. I was thinking maybe an SSL1 for neck, SSL5 for middle and a JB SH-4 for bridge or, Texas Special’s for neck and middle but still JB SH-4 for bridge. I’ve been thinking a lot about the pots as well. All I’ve ever used on strats were the stock 250’s and I’m dying to hear for myself what 500k’s would sound like with my mods.
What do you think given your previous experiences?
I can definatly here the difference from this side. That's something special
you are a very good teacher! seriously.... that is a rare talent! Thank you!
Cool video. Just swapped pots on an old pacifica. Vol was 500 and tone was 250. I went 500 on both. Unreal the difference. This guitar was so bright before now it's such a better sound with my old jtm30 Marshall. I can't explain it but before the tone when I got it where it felt right just sounded muddy.
Can you do a video where you show it by playing a Fender Strat single coil with the different pots, and what caps also to get the hugest Jimi-SRV style tones? What about blender pots, etc..
I want a reverse volume pot so I can do swells better on a strat. Thanks !
Only video that explains everything so well. Thank you
Thanks for this clear explanation and the examples of how the resistance and pickup choice affects the tone!
Cool deal. Gonna hunt for that no load tone pot vid.
thankyou sir for providing us your insight I'm beginning to get technical of my instrument. God bless sir
Dylan, thanks for all your great videos! I've found that I like A330K for volume and B500K for tone the best. A330K pots do exist, but most often I've been wiring a 1M resistor across the outer lugs of a A500K to get there. If the guitar has two tones, I'm liking a .015 on the neck and a .033 on the bridge. If it' has a master tone, I just go with the .033. This is what sounds best to me.
Well put. I understood everything you said. Now I know about which pots to shop for. Thank you.
Hi Dylan, awesome videos, but I still got a question: if you put a 250k volume pot it cuts high frequencies, so the 500k tone pot is just retaining the remained frequencies and cutting the lowest amount possible, where a 250k tone that would have cut even more highs. Is this thinking correct? What happens if things are reversed? Why not 500k volume and 250k tone? Thanks again! I'll wait for your reply
I got the same question, can anyone answer this?
I cant find any videos where they compare 250k and 500k pots in a single coil Strat, they always show a Strat with a single coil and a humbucker for the comparison. I want to know the difference with real good single coils.
Great video pal. Keep up the good work 🤘
I bought all those instructional books from StewMac and elsewhere. When I try to reference some of them for information they just seem to gloss over things. Dylan, you need to write the ultimate grimoire of guitar tone. Some of your videos just put things in a perspective that is easily accessed.
The video with the 4 capacitor kit was an eye opener, as an example. The statement you just made about pickups not all being created equal is the best approach to narrowing down a frequency range you want to steer your axe to. It makes choosing pots and caps more interesting (including those mods you see for volume pots). My playing style seems to demand a guitar that is a Jekyl and Hyde. Very mid/low rhythm, very high solo. I have a better idea how to solder/wire for that now. I can't thank you enough.
I use 500k yjm fury volume pots with 250 tone pots. All single coils. Love it.
Interesting. What do you make of guitars which come with 500k pots for volume and 200k pots for tone? They normally have a master volume on top of the 4 knobs, so maybe it has something to do with that. Talking about master volumes, what do you think of using a 1 Meg pot for the master and 500k for the 2 pickup volumes? Maybe avoiding severe treble loss when using the master volume? Or is a treble bleed on a 500K pot better for that?
So basically it sounds like the resistor is a high pass filter and the drop cap is a low pass filter and the tone knob just blends the amount of signal going through each filter. Is that right? A 500k pot just filters more low out which makes the sound be perceived to be brighter?
Excellent. _Dylan have you thought about producing a book, pamphlet, magazine for beginners guitar electronics & schematics_ (for true beginner hobby)⁉️❓
*Will You Consider it*
Hello Dylan, there's a lot of talk around the interwebs about how changing the electronics in the guitar can change i.e. improve it's sound, so just the electronics, not the pickups, just pots and cables. Supposedly better pots, while keeping them the same value as they were, can improve the sound of the guitar. Is there any truth in that or is it just a placebo effect?
Great videos btw.
I mean, I dont believe in a lot pf bullcrap that i read among the guitar community BUT i could believe that this could be true if, for exapmle, the original manufacturer said that they put 250k pots on a guitar but when you measure it, it reads 300k. Butbi dnot know, most of the time its just placebo, a pot is a pot, the same material and same measurements should soumd the same. Hope this helped!
This is true, having better quality components will improve the sound and dynamics of your guitar. I agree with Mr. Rodriguez on the stock/cheap pots that come with your guitar. Many times these pots are created in bad warehouses with a lot of dust, which effects the tone and dynamics. CTS pots for example are made in cleaner warehouses, with low dust concentration as compared to the cheaper pots. Another thing you can do if you like to experiment with your sound is change out the capacitors on the tone pots. Go from a .47uf try .22uf or visa versa. You could also try vintage wiring, which is my preferred wiring choice for Les Paul's and Strats. Hope this answers your question, feel free to contact me with any questions justinpaulnewman@gmail.com
OK - Here is a good one for you. EVH Frankie. I am hooking up the neck pickup (which I would use more than bridge 10 to 1), so I need a push/push or push/pull. So, would a 500k or 250k be more appropriate for a person like myself who plays more akin to Larry Carlton than an EVH? Also, no tone control on this bad boy. Every guitar I play (Jazz Box, 335, Strat, Les Paul, I roll the tone down to probably 7. If asking why then I have the guitar...always wanted one as a kid growing up in the 80's.
V mod pickups from fender american professional are awesome. Volume knobs wont affect the color of the sound of PU, you can lower your volume without changing the gain properties.
Well explained mate great job.
Thanks again for another great video Dylan. Hey I was wondering if you could make a video in the future explaining how push/pull pots work and how they split humbuckers to make them single coil’s, thanks.
Question; I'd like to add a single-coil sized humbucker to my Strat at the bridge, and also add a PUSH PUSH tone pot to be able to split the coils...can you please make a video on push/push as opposed to push/pull ( I think the former is easier to use in a performance situation), as well as how to wire/install the pot...thanks.
Cool and helpful video, as always, thanx!
Hey Dylan, I have an old Carvin DC 227 with the old C22B and C22J pickups. These days I find them to be much too bright. After watching this video, I decided to try 250k pots and a higher value tone capacitor. As it is, I have to turn my tone down almost halfway. Then it sounds pretty nice. I'll let you know how that works out.
Thank you for the awesome explanation! I'm customizing my Strat and needed to know this!
I really enjoy these vids. Because I like learning from intelligent people
Agreed. I’d like to use 300k Log for all instead of 250k. For just that little extra freq range
You need to do a video that shows a stacked dual 250k-500l pots. I see them for sale but I dont see any videos of what they do or what they change. Can you do this?
LOVE your Lemmy Sketch!
Or you could just use an eq pedal and roll of the bass , mids , trebles at will 👍
With a dual humbucker guitar I'm going to swap out the Volume Pot for a 1M, & the Tone pot to a 500k No Load Pot, or swap the Tone Pot out for a 2nd 1M Volume Pot to have individual Volume Control for each pickup.
I'll install some Trebld Bleeds on the Volume/s also so I don't lose Treble as I decrease the Volume. 👍
Torn between 500k and 250k for tone pots on a Les Paul jr. that I'm working with. Gibson traditionally used a 250k tone pot in the 50's, but changed specs in modern builds. Maybe 500k and 500k for both volume and tone and see what happens. Pots and caps are cheap and easy to switch out for testing anyway.
Subscribed. I like the way you explain in layman’s terms
Xcellent explanation. I am working on a old Squier Tele that surprisingly has small 500k pots. I purchase a 4 way switch kit which has 250k pots with caps to add. I hope this works without having to get 500k pots.
Great video! You've intrigued me with your 250k vol and 500k tone pots on a strat!! I have the 2nd tone as blender in my strat , would you use 250k or 500k for blender in this setup?
I have Guitar with 2 Humbucker w/ 1 volume, 1 tone, and a 3way switch. I'd like to add a 2nd tone pot without cutting another hole in my guitar. Can I use a CTS 500K+500K Stacked Dual Concentric Audio Guitar Pot as a dedicated tone pot for both pickups?
Hey Dylan, I have a question. Just about every video on RUclips, relating to coil splitting, is about installation. I have a Schecter C1 Elite with a coil splitting tone pot. Just this morning it stopped working and unfortunately, it's stuck in single coil mode. I have no interest in coil splitting, so I'd like to replace the pot with a standard tone pot. Is this a simple task? I'm handy with a soldering iron, but have pretty much no electrical brain function at all. :D
Just tie the leads together that connect to the push pull at the bottom of the pot. Then install the new pot .
Hey Dylan! I know this is an old video, but I recently bought my first Jaguar to fix up and I’m just so curious as to why they, along with Jazzmasters, use 1 Meg pots? They have single coil pickups, so why do both use potentiometers twice as bright as a traditional humbucker value pot? Also, what’s the purpose of them being linear; as opposed to an audio taper?
I can share Dylans opinion,totally.
ive been playing for years and never new the difference. thanks for the vid. wonder what my charvel dinky has
thank you so much . a explanation and not a put this in this and this in this lol great video and well explained . now if i can just figure out the capacitors lol but if i look i bet you have one so that's my journey now on dylan talks tone pot capacitors but if you have not made one that would be a great one .
I have all 500k pots in a lp style wiring. Humbucker in the bridge and P90 in the neck... Get a lot of compliments on the neck sound. It should have had 250 so the effect is positive
Dylan! Glad I found your channel! I've got a set of 1976 Maxon Excel pickups. I'm thinking two 500K pots for tone and one 250K for volume. My 6 string is a 1977 Ibanez. I was going to pop a DiMarzio DP182 Fast Track II in the bridge pickup - but I'm thinking I should tweak the caps a bit and see if I can warm up the Excels with 473k orange drops first. Any thoughts?
Dylan, my question is if every extra item is bleeding the pimp juice from my strat, I was wondering if I just swapped everything over to just one tone knob and bypassed the second tone pot, would this cut back on the the takeaway from the highs and will everything still remain functional and be good long term??
Thank you! I've looked all over to try and find out if you need to use the same value pot for both volume and tone.
You, my friend, rock. Thank you, sir.
250 on single coil, 500 on buckers the end! It’s done! 🤘🏻😎
Fantastic!! Great!! Thank You!
I kinda agree with the 500k for everything....thing. i had a strat with single coil duncan designed pups and it came with 500k's. It sounded really cool but it did have that typical vintage tone. It was like a SRV kinda thing.
Im very interested in the no load tone pots
Cant wait !!!
Bryan Keith you can find them here. We will probably have that video ready Friday dylantalkstone.com/collections/quality-upgrades/products/bourns-pro-long-life-no-load-linear-taper-pots
Which pots would you prefer for a set of Fender N3's in a Tele? The N3's are basically humbuckers, so the natural choice would be 500K, right?
Which would have the broader range of
frequencies, as if I wanted to get a decent
wah effect twisting the tone knob?
500k / 250k?
You are the man......just what I was looking for ...thanks :)
Great simple to understand video. Basically you said "they are knobs" one has more range lol. But a lot more information. My Volume pot on my Tex Mex Strat just went kaput so I am gonna put a 250k back in it... The Tone Pots are 500k , like you mentioned.
Dylan, I'm glad you pointed out using a 250k volume pot and 500k tone pot on your tele. I was already thinking of doing this myself! I have a SSS Strat that I just swapped the bridge out for a JB jr humbucker. I love the neck and mid pups with 250k but my bridge pup sounds dull unless I have the 250k tone at 10. I have the neck tone wired stock with 250k and the mid pup not going to tone circuit, then bridge pup to 250k tone pot. If I replace the bridge tone pot for a 500k pot, will the humbucker bridge pup still sound brighter even though the volume pot is 250k?
Its a bit obvious to me that whatevr pickup you choose, when its gone
through the tone and volume pots, the higher resistance the pots have,
the better for extended treble.........low impedance into high
resistance works fine, NOT the othe other way round.....swap your 250k
pots for 500k or 1meg...........dont forget vol pots need to be log,
tone linear....thats the British Idea, I think the Yanks call pots
differently, like there valves, where a Brit ECC83 was a Yank
12AX7..............hands across the water, regards, Howard, uk vet.(83)
How we wiring a guitar with 2 Humbuckers, 3 way mini switch (On-On-On) as pickups selector, and 2 way mini switch (On-On) to have single coil sound..?
Please do a friggin' Jazzmaster potentiometer breakdown and what a 250k and 500k pot would change (for better and worse) if you are trying to eliminate some shrillness and get some more prominent low end.
So generally a jazzmaster commonly has a 1meg pot? Thanks!
Yes, but unfortunately two years later while looking for a 1meg replacement for my Jazzmaster for over two weeks now it appears that every website is out of stock. I'm about to switch out the old lead pots for 250k audio taper for both the volume and tone pot as the volume pot for a Jazzmaster comes with a linear taper so changing will give you more control over how muddy linear taper tends to become once you lower past the 7-8 range. My main goal is to allow more low end through while the single coils will always retain 90% of its original brightness (I have vintage 1960's tightly wound pickups so they have more output and treble already) but I want more versatility when using a fuzz, overdrive, or distortion as the 1meg can become ear piercingly bad when using any pedals that add dirt.
When ordering 259k pots why are some of them marked A or B and is it necessary to use them !
Are copper shaft pots, better than brass and aluminum?
I see a guitar with les paul body, clasic tele bridge, with SS pickup, and tele knobs & switches configuration as well behind, lol
That is correct
I was fixing up the electronic swtch in my old yamaha rgx 1212a active pick up. After switching the switch. I notce one of my tone nob wasn't chaging the sound. And i realize my pod was actually shot. So it wouldn't change the tone (i have two tones to really tweak the sound.) So i'm going to try a 500k in it.
OK, Dylan - I'm looking to replace an EVH Bourns 500K low-friction volume pot, with an equivalent, 500K *high-friction* volume pot, which, apparently, doesn't exist. How can I make my current, 500K low-friction pot, have the feel of a high-friction pot? I see online that there is an EVH Borns 250k high-friction pot - why not a 500K high-friction pot?
Great video. I'm curious what your thoughts would be with my PRS ONE, has a SD Hot Rod P90 in the bridge. It HAS a 500k pot. Wouldn't the 250k "sweeten and fatten" it up a bit?
Question - is a 500k pot turned to half way the same as a 250k pot? If you had 500’s and you were thinking about going to 250, could you just experiment with only using half the sweep of the dial to simulate having a 250, or am I missing something?
Hey Dylan, Got a quick question for you.
I have a MIJ Strat with Ceramic pickups that are a bit dark, and I want to brighten it up a little bit.
What are you thoughts on these configurations :
1) 250 Volume with 500k tone ( .033 or .047 Cap )
2) 250k Volume with 250k tone ( .022 Cap )
3) 500k Volume and 500k Tone ( .033 or .047 Cap )
Just want to brighten up the guitar a little bit without getting to shrilly sounding, I am open to suggestions , thx !!
I have a 85 Custom Gibson Les Paul that I had completely rewired professionally, but it still sounds very dark. I put two new Dimarzio pickups in it as well. The X2N and the Super Distortion in the neck potion. I know that most of my problem is coming from the wood in the guitar. It has a very low dark tone when played unhooked. The solid mahogany body and ebony finger board cause a lot of that problem. The guitar still sounds great but I can’t get enough highes out of it. Is there any thing that I can do to help bring out a brighter crispy tone ?
Billy Cummins
No man, the problem isn’t wood, the problem is you don’t understand how the guitar and the amp work.
Buy a damn equalizer and tweak the damn frequencies like you want. 😉
Okay so I'm building an HSS strat with a Filtertron in the bridge and Lipstick Pickups in middle and neck position. I was thinking of running 500k pots in the guitar because of the bridge pickup, but am I creating shattered glass on my other two PUPs? (Mind you I have a walnut neck with a canarywood fretboard)
My guitar is currently have 250k tone pot, if I want to change it to 500k do I need to change the capacitor or I can use the same capacitor? Cap that was installed is 2A333K, not sure what is the uF. I think 0.033uF. Please let me know if I need to replace cap or not. Thank you.
Man im thinking of just having volumes in a charvel im making passive so 500 on the neck and 250 on the bridge so pickup to volume to switch to jack
I have a question, Dylan. If you used 250k tone pots instead of the 500k that you said you like, would it affect the tone even all the way up? The signal is passing through volume and tone, so I guess... yes?? Thanks
i got some spare 300k gibson pots can single coils and humbuckers share a pot?
I've got 4 Squier Teles, 2 Affinity, 2 Bullets (it's a color thing). First3 were fine. The LPB Bullet received today has a volume pot that feels like it's filled with gravel. (I have no idea how this thing got by QC, even for a cheap Indo mfg. git. "SEPTI & TONI" stamped "Electronics" & "Final" respectively. Boo.) Since I've got to replace the pot anyway, do you rec the 500K volume idea? Keep the existing tone pot, or change that too? 250K?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Wondering about A500K or B500K. What does the letter represent?
A pots are "audio taper" which is more commonly found in music stores further attenuates the volume when the knob is turned down.
B Pots are "linear taper" which retain a more consistent treble response throughout the sweep of the pot.
Many people will buy a LP or hollow body style guitar and complain that it's too "dark". I've noticed that musicians that do not keep their volume turned to 10 all the time complain about that. That could mean they have an A pot (audio) taper pot that's rolling off high end in a way they don't like. Often a cheap replacement volume pot to a B pot (linear) will keep some of the highs present when you have your volume knob at 5.
I personally like linear taper for volume and audio taper for tone. It's just what I've gotten used to and gives me more control of what high end is coming through.
This knowledge, apparently, isn't common and people will spend hundreds of dollars swapping pickups when, honestly, they needed $7 to swap a pot.
Dylan, I have a project guitar, an HSS strat and I've got this thing playing like butter physically. That being said, I hate the sound of the pickups so I purchased some Alnico 5 pickups and was going to order new pots ironically when I seen this video (nice job). Can to give me a link and your advice on frequency, I was going to go (2) 500K for tone and (1) 250K volume.
Based on the Alnico's, do I really need the 500's--what's your opinion--thanks Dan
Very good video. Thank you for posting.
My question... Nashville Tele has 250k volume pot. I noticed the volume rolls off very fast when you begin to turn it down. Would a 500k change that?
Great
Hey Dylan, I want to try and get rid of the muddiness on my ES, I have some 1 Meg pots I was thinking of trying out, do you think these would help get rid of the muddiness? The humbuckers always seem so muddy on those lower strings and it drives me nuts!!
Seymour Duncan JB HS 4 pot 250 with cap 0.47??? Yes Or no? My english is bad , thanks.
Good and interesting video especially the idea of a 250k volume and 500k tone pot in a tele.
If someone was to install this in a tele what would you recommend, modern wiring or 50s wiring?
Thanks
I get what you’re saying about using 500k pots in single coils because you can take away but you can’t add tone, but tone knobs from 5-10 become virtually unusable at that point
Came across your channel whilst looking for info on what pots, very informative! I wanted your opinion please on this issue:
I have just bought a SD Lil '59 to replace the bridge pickup on my MIM strat.
On SD's site, they suggest staying with 250k pots, but after having a look at a few of your vids, i'm not sure whether to now swap out the volume pot for a 500k pot, or to leave the 250k volume pot and change the bridge tone pot (i have connected the tone pot to the bridge pickup) to a 500k pot. I want to retain the middle/neck pickup sounds as close to original as possible, but i am aware that the Lil '59 may be too dark with a 250k pot. What say you?
Hi Dylan, I found your channel last night after the pickup selector mini-switch on my bass died. Sonce the other switches and knobs on the instrument are bound to fail eventually too, I want to diy exchange all of them with new ones. While I'm at it, I might as well bring the sound more in line with my personal tastes. But I still haven't fully grasped in what way the impedance of a pot influences the sound of a bass guitar. I take it higher impedance means crisper top end, but do I have to worry about the lows in any way? For reference, my instrument is a G&L L-2500. I would love to add dedicated series/parallel/single coil switches for the pickups. The default setup from the factory onky has one single two-way switch that switches both pickups simultaneously between series and parallel mode. I'd love to have the single coil option as well!
Either way, great video! Cheers from Germany. :)
This guy is great. Unfortunately, I’m a knucklehead though. If I have a Les Paul that, when I roll the vol knob back ( decreasing the vol) it gets muddy/darker. In order to fix this, I should go with 250k? Also, what about treble bleed caps, will that work better to compensate the “darkening”?
Thanks for watching man! I do appreciate that
What do you think of the new Dunlop sealed pots? Are they similar to Allen and Bradley and Bourns sealed pots?
And you really did mention 1M and Jazzmasters :) Thanks! Great video btw!
Szten just for you man!! I thought of ga
DylanTalksTone Btw, why do Jazzmasters need 1M pots? For me it means the jazzmaster pickups would sound muffled and would lack trebles with 500K or 250K pots. But being single coils I don't really get it. Why would a single coil lack high frequencies?
Hi bro!! I have a question I’m building a partscaster with hss pickups neck and middle Texas special bridge jb hb what pots do you recommend to use?