Hi, thanks a lot for watching and commenting on the video! I did want to clarify further on my point about Wilf /Bernard Cribbins I’m aware that he unfortunately passed before they could finish shooting all the scenes they had in mind, however they still could have done a more respectful edit before releasing the episodes, like cutting the scene where Sylvia calls the Doctor an idiot for getting emotional at the thought of Wilf being “no longer with us” as Donna said, I also think it’s odd to have the in memoriam after the credits instead of at the end of the episode, most people don’t sit through the credits so would miss it. I’m not saying the writers/producers of the show don’t care about Cribbins, but it came across as rushed and not considered. Hope this clears that up, you're free to debate over it if you want lol
How Martha's facing racism in "Family of Blood" was a-million times better than Capaldi's "Whitewashed history" or Jodie's "Space racist from 3000 some years in the future, who you'd think would be more concerned about xenos or humans shagging aliens"
Doctor who post 2017: How to alienate working class people and normal people and middle class people and homeless people. Seriously Twice Upon a Time was the perfect ending, if only it cut off as 12 regenerated after that beautiful speech.
My doctor was Matt Smith. The old man in a young mans body I loved the acting he did to show he was much older then he looked while at the same time showing that theirs one thing the doctor won’t do is grow up I checked out during the hiatus during Capaldi’s Run. I was hesitent to pick it back up when i saw Capaldi using a lot of politicly charged language in his last season and was only curious about the show again when John Simms The Master returned then it dropped female doctor for 13 I just couldn’t see the character working as a woman (we are different and thats wonderful) so I dropped it then I heard about the timeless children and it was like they dug up a corpse of something I loved and killed it again. Then the 60th Anniversary specials and the introduction of 15th doctor and even more pandering have killed this show for me permanently, along with any hope of it recovering. The doctor is still on that planet with River thats where the show ends for me.
I basically only saw the Capaldi run, and my God I loved him as the Doctor. To me, he's my favorite (seen clips of others, still my favorite). To see a multi-season run of him would be a treat
Capaldi is the last Doctor. Jodie could have worked but the quality of the stories just made me loose interest and stopped watching. Have never seen a single second of Ncuti's Doctor. Oh, and Rose was played by a man, as such the correct pronouns are he/him.
Capaldi's final episode was honestly the perfect ending to the character, with him seeing his first incarnation and accepting it was time for his version of the Doctor to regenerate (great character growth from 10's "I don't want to go" too)
I stopped watching after Capaldi's first episode. I didn't like it, thought Moffat had got too dark, and too full of smug man-hating women. But now given all the horrors of the last few years (Chibnall and RTD2), I know those Capaldi episodes are going to seem like gold, and I will definitely go back and enjoy them. I'll just ignore all the smug man-hating women.
Absolutely, I mean, it's notlike the Fourth Doctor literally held the entire Universe in his hands with absolute power with the Key to Time and volunatrily gave it up without a second thought. What would a "male presenting time lord" know about that, ehh? Dear god. The Message is about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the back of the skull. Woman good, man bad. We got it ten years ago Moffat.
Another thing I find amusing is saying “we know everything and you know nothing” when they literally have to share the power and knowledge he has or it will kill them lol
You know what I hated with Wilf. "He's not with us anymore." Says Donna. The Doctor, tearing up, says how sorry he is and how much he loved him. "He's not dead." "You Idiot." Fuck you. "He's not with us anymore." Is the human equivalent of living on a farm. And I've asked people who haven't seen the episode what they'd assume those words mean. They all say death. And you don't call someone an idiot for thinking someone is dead and being emotional about it. I heard the Actor had passed and I assumed THIS was how they were closing the book on the character. They had a year. Edit or cut the scene to make it more respectful. Because she's not just calling the Doctor an idiot, she's calling every single person in the audience myself included an idiot for reaching the same conclusion.
That moment is why I don’t agree with the argument being put forward that it’s because Bernard Cribbins passed away before they could finish shooting his scenes, they could have edited what they had in a more respectful way
@@CriticalDiverseFemale Why is everyone talking about Dr. Who as if its a global Phenomenon? If only Westerners realizes they weren't the center of the universe and that the greater population around the globe simply DOESN'T CARE.
@@CriticalDiverseFemale no he died end of story this Isn't a Carrie Fisher moment where you can edit more of what you have after they're gone he died no more Wilf end of story, but they didn't kill off cause that would be disrespectful so they just had his character off screen and i bet he'll show up in more Big Finish soon with a voice double and everything. just because he died doesn't make him not being killed off disrespectful, you're just being arrogant.
@@tommyfarrington8739 you can absolutely edit out that horrific diarrhea splatter of a scene where they make the Doctor think he’s dead, and then explicitly call *him* the idiot because of their own words. That should never have been in the final script, it shouldn’t have been filmed, it shouldn’t have made it through the original edit, but it *absolutely* should have been cut completely when Cribbens died. It is 1000% disrespectful to the actor who, for the last 13 years, had a send off of saluting the Doctor at his granddaughter’s wedding. The only one being arrogant here is YOU. As well as being horrifically disrespectful. Go touch some fucking grass and stay of Reddit.
I have been a life long doctor who i grew up with david and matt. Man the difference between the 50th and the 60th is like night and day i remember watching the 50th when i was kid man it was so good
well watch it again it's good the 50th but man it's no that good brother i mean i like it but it doesn't rank high on my list. Heck I've seen fan edits of the moment that are 100% better than what Bad Wolf did not bad but def could have been better this also wasn't bad either the 60th was brilliant not sure what you're on about.
Well said, I'm glad that I called it a day with Peter Capaldi. His final episode, Twice Upon a Time, was a great ending for the Doctor. The 12th Doctor meeting the 1st Doctor shortly before regenerating brought it full circle for me.
An alien turns up in your kitchen and your reaction is- TO CLEANSE THE XENO FILTH WITH HOLY FIRE! BY THE EMPEROR, IT SHALL NOT TAKE ANOTHER BREATHE! PS - I chose fire because the furry thing looks like a child, so a Salamander pov made sense iykyk
@@justsomeguyinouterspace8623 Since we're commenting on a video about Doctor Who, when I saw "Salamander", my first thought was 'The Enemy of the World'.
@DalekCaanOfSkaro I understand what the context of him leading up to the quote is, but it's a false accusation (at least almost entirely false, there are definitely bigots who but they are few and far between). It has become the standard reply of any actor in any show with bad writing and terrible characters to defend themselves by citing racism or other such isms/phobias. However, everybody loved Captain Jack (very gay), so that argument is invalid, and nobody ever brought up Mickey or Martha's race. I've never heard anyone complain about Missy, and as for changing the status quo the 2005 restart of the series had plenty of detractors but was generally adored by audiences and critics. They didn't antagonize anyone for not liking the Doctor being sexy now, or that Gallifrey blew up, etc, they just made their show and set a standard for great writing and character work. Those standards are long gone, it's objectively poorer then RTD's previous works, and, befitting the modern entertainment industry climate, rather than admit people's valid criticisms about writing and characters they hide behind a false accusation of bigotry. Again, there are a few people that have made remarks specifically about Mr. Gatwa's race, etc, but those few idiots don't make up the millions of viewers Dr. Who has lost since the series started. The people who have written their reviews about the writing, character problems, and how the show actively antagonizes its existing fan base do. So his earlier statements can be disregarded. All that matters is this: I gave the show a chance. I was excited for the season. I really loved Gatwa's casting and in a lot of ways I still think it was a great choice, he's an excellent actor. But the writing made it clear their only goal is to push agenda at the cost of coherent story. When I complained, Ncuti said I must be a bigot and told me to go outside. So while I am not a bigot, I will take his advice, turn off the TV, and go touch some grass. He just didn't count on that applying to the millions of other non-bigots doing the same.
@@Nargon46I don't get what your point is. What, you think Ncuti was talking about every person? Because he wasn't. We both agree there would have been at least some people reacting negatively to his casting because of his skin colour. We both agree that bigots would react negatively, and the Variety article asked him about those bigots. He didn't say everyone, he didn't believe it was all fans, he was asked about that group of people, it might have been 10 people or 1000 people, and told them too touch grass. I dont understand why you keep including yourself in that group he was critciising whilst claiming to feel judged as you weren't part of that group. Also, to say Freema received no criticism for her casting is simply ignorant. There are interviews online talking about the hate she received when cast. Also, when Varada was announced, she was falsely accused of replacing Millie, or being cast exclusively on her skin. So racism was a big thing then, and it still is now. If an actor blames all critcism of their acting or show exclusively on bigots, then yeah, it's annoying. There are many good critics out there with creative critcism who don't judge out of predujice. But Ncuti wasn't talking about critics of his acting, or defending the series, because the context of the quote was that it was surrounding his casting before he even played the role. There was no reason to unfairly hate him when he hasn't even stepped in the costume yet or performed, and those who judged him without fair reasons and hated him, yeah he has every right to call them bigots, as he hadn't even had a chance to prove himself yet. Dont get me wrong, apprehension to a casting knowing their previous bodies of work is fine as you might question can they pull off this gig, but nobody should have been hating him as there was no reason to.
@@DalekCaanOfSkaro The amount of actual bigots is a small tiny group. So small that it wouldn't warrant a comment from the show itself. The fact that they felt the need to comment on it indicates that they believe that group to be bigger. Why? We have no confirmative proof but it is logical to assume that they consider everybody who doesn't like 'the agenda' as bigots. After all, that IS what they're pushing.
@@lord_eggThey didn't feel the need to talk about it, because they were asked about it. It was an interview, they were asked a question, they answered. This wasn't "damage control", this was Ncuti being asked about the response to his casting. It wasn't the show responding, it wasn't a formal letter by the BBC, it was Ncuti being asked a simple question, and answering with a simple response. End of. Since the series has ended, give me one interview where RTD, Ncuti or Millie has defended the writing through blaming bigots. Genuinely, because if they did, then I would agree that they arent taking responsibility for writing descisions. Also, it doesn't matter how small or minute the hate is, if people are being racist, you call it out. I dont get this argument "oh, only a few people were being racist so we won't talk about it", if racism is a thing, then it needs to be said. Agenda? Seriously, pulling the agenda card? Anyone has an agenda, you do, I do. An agenda is just a point to be made, and Doctor Who has been fighting for the same "agenda" for over 60 years. Yes, it's become more obvious, the writing might not be doing it justice, but trying to pretend it's something new is just ridiculous. So, what is this agenda? Well in your eyes, I'm guessing it's the awareness of social issues like racism and so on. Do I think The Star Beast was out of order for how that line is written? Yes, like many other big Doctor Who fans like DTDW or Rich Hutson. But for the rest of the series, it's been fine. It's been defending the same the same people it's been doing since 1963. An episode about a romance? Girl in the Fireplace 2006. A gay romance? The Pilot 2017. Racism? The Daleks 1963. Capitilsm? Oxygen 2017. Dictators? The Sound of Drums 2007 or The Daleks 1963. This agenda has been there all along. Now if you disagree with it, fine? But if you disagree with it for unfair, predujice reasons without justifiable reason, then yeah, you are gonna get called out. This agenda is just being aware of social issues like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc, and if you do disagree with those pretty basics concepts, then im sorry, but that's a you problem.
Considering her mother and grandfather are still alive that money would also have improved their lives significantly. Not to mention 166 million pounds? Give away a hundred million and keep sixty six for your family. Oh and several books have mentioned part of the reason the doctor tends to give away huge amounts of money is that (a) its a lottery the person historically won, (b) a lottery where an extra person doesn't really affect the original winner e.g. they get twenty million instead of twenty five and (c) he's got so much money in banks around the universe due to compound interest he occasionally has to buy something to get some of it back into the econonomy.
Love how in-depth you get with your explanations about why the stupid stuff is stupid. You’re so well-spoken that it makes it clear you’re not being reactionary. Great video!!
If you had told me this was the same guy that wrote the episodes Rose, The Empty Child, and Parting of the Ways, I never would have believed you. Having the sonic screwdriver do anything and everything you need is only one problem out of a massive list of problems. Using the name Rose for this character is so offensive, when you already had such an iconic character named Rose Tyler. And sure, make the excuse that it's in Donna's subconscious, doesn't make it less offensive. It's like you want a new version of Rose to undo the memory of the original Rose. And so often having the Doctor being undercut by everyone who knows better than him... It's like we can't have him as a hero anymore and that's just heartbreaking. I was fine when he regenerated into a woman, and don't mind if he regenerates into a black man, but keep the Doctor who he's always been... someone who saves the day and someone to look up to and respect. They haven't given us that in many years unfortunately.
I feel the same way about Halo and Star Wars, when these soulless greedy corporations get there hands on IPs they don't deserve they turn the IPs into soulless greedy cash cows. So headcanon is any Disney Star Wars material doesn't exist and any 343 halo doesn't exist.
Midnight is a fantastic episode. I read a theory that one of the reasons for RTD's pushing of agendas and decline in writing ability is that he has aged out of the desirable social circles and has been trying to appeal to the younger members of those circles (Bit like a mid life crisis but with more money and people depending on you). That combined with Disney's leanings, have led to, well, this... Tennant will do and say just about anything for money now apparently.
Now Disney has it's claws in the series, they are probably going harder at what the California crowd wants. Lots of British want to get big in Hollywood and fail. Remember Tenant in Harry Potter and Matt Smith in Terminator?
One of the absofuckinglutely incomprehensible things about these writers is that they establish that the Doctor has lived entire lives as a female. Making him/them (I guess) probably the most qualified being in the franchise to understand things from both perspectives. And then they still play the “you wouldn’t understand, you’re just a simple man” card. I mean, what? No, seriously, what?
Consider this. Jason has decided to identify as "Rose" a woman. Yet neither Rose nor Donna ever think to ask the doctor if they want to do the same? He just regenerated from being a woman, his memory gets partially blamed for Rose being who they are. Yet they look at him and just go "You man, you dumb."
@ I think perhaps it highlights a number of inconsistencies in gender fluidity ideology. Or at least those who are heavily invested in promoting it. Because whilst a core tenet appears to be that you cannot take people at face value and make assumptions, the vast majority are assumed to be as they appear. And often the most unflattering caricature of that, so that they can be dismissed or vilified as is convenient.
And the term they use is “male presenting”. So they are very much tying his ability to understand to his outward appearance, not his personality and experience. Yet what would be “non-binary” presenting anyway? Many people who claim to be this are indistinguishable from societal understandings of male or female. So a non-binary person by this logic is still limited by their biological sex and appearance?
@@Karras353 Yep Rose and Donna are oh so understanding and open minded "You look male therefore you know nothing and are an idiot". Gee I wonder if Rose is getting bullied becaues they're trans or because they're a smug git.
The scene with Wilf was sadly all Bernard was able to contribute. He passed away before he could complete all the scenes originally written for him. So it wasn't a case of the production team "wasting" the character, it really was the episode being written around the short amount of footage of Wilf they were able to shoot in the circumstances.
While I agree that Martha is the best companion, I think a lot of the points in this video are a little unfair. The Bernard Cribbins thing for example is totally out of their hands. Donna giving away her money is called out in the episode and calling her husband 'a diversity hire' seems very rude. His lack of surprise at an alien isn't really a criticism considering he's been in Doctor Who episodes before and I feel Donna isn't presented as being better than the Doctor- just as an equal, similarly to before. Her calling out the Doctor and keeping him in check was a defining part of why their dynamic was so popular in the first place. The similarities to the Wrath Warriors and the At-ats I didn't really get. Beep the Meep is a call-back character to the comic books from the 80s so not a Grogu clone and the 60th as a whole was filmed before Doctor Who partnered with Disney for streaming and only released afterward, so that narrative kind of falls flat on its face. Overall, the Star Beast is an episode that is worthy of criticism, and probably far and away the worst episode of this new era... but all of the points you raised in this video are quite silly in my opinion. I hope you keep watching the show though. A lot of the more recent episodes are very good!
I was really looking forward to Doctor Who being run by someone else than Chibnall. I actually enjoyed season 13, but 11 and 12 were just bad, except for few very rare episodes. Then the Star Beast came and I was honestly dissapointed, I really didn't like the episode, it felt a bit cringey and I didn't like the sonic screwdriver being overpowered like that. However then came Wild Blue Yonder and it's honestly one of my favourite episodes ever and the Toymaker wasn't bad either. When it comes to Ncuti Gatwa, I like him as a doctor, though I do agree they overused the crying a bit too much, it then looses impactfulness. Space Babies wasn't great, the second part of the finale was dissapointing, but there were some standout episodes. Boom, 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble were actually really good episodes. What I didn't like is the lack of character development for the doctor and especially Ruby, she fell flat for me and I did not feel sad when she departed, her family wasn't developed either. Her first timr in Space Babies, she's just so accepting to everything, after almost dying in Boom, she has no reaction, she doesn't feel like a character, because she does not react realistically. It's a shame, maybe the next companion will be better, I also hope we get to see more of the doctor and some more traditional style doctor who stories, rather than just experimental ones. Your typical landing somewhere, exploring, figuring out something is off, I feel like special episodes such as Blink, work really well if the whole season isn't that. If the whole season is that, you don't get time for character development.
Donna giving away that money was also completely out of the character - remembering she is the Donna with her memory wiped of the Doctor. There is no way she would ever have done that. the Doctor was amde a joke and the whole epsiode was a shocker. I know it's a cliche almost but DW died with Peter Capaldi depart. strangely I find Tennant's Doctor less appealling now that these modern episodes have aired. His Doctor is too emotional, too human and too self-pitying.
not sure how to put my feelings into words on this. but i guess i wanna say to doctor who fans, it must feel as personal as what has been done to star wars to many classic legends fans.
I met RTD in a supermarket around 10 years ago and as someone who had been a fan of the classic series in my youth, I thanked him for bringing it back. After the last couple of years, if I met him again I don't know what I would say to him. I certainly wouldn't be thanking him, that's for sure. The mind virus is all consuming I guess.
Unfortunately I think it's more likely that this is what he wanted to do in 2005 but due to social pressure he didn't. If he had I doubt it would have lasted long.
In my opinion i think bringing back RTD and David Tennant as the Fourteenth Doctor was a very big mistake Ncuti Gatwa should had been the Fourteenth Doctor not David Tennant and should had regenerated from Jodie Whittaker the show is suppose to be about progression and it's gone completely backwards RTD is doing the same thing he's done before but trying to introduce it to a new audience that doesn't exist i also think RTD has constantly ran out of ideas and is desperate for money they should had got a completely new production team and it should never had went to Disney i would also had not brought Donna Noble back in the way they did because now they made her ending in Journey's End meaningless as much as we hated the idea of having her mind wiped companions arent always going to have a happy ending and they shouldn't because that to me is just not realistic i'm tired of stories constantly being set on earth and companions with their families why cant we have an alien or someone thats not from the modern day earth kind of companion. To me and i know there are some people who won't agree but i think Peter Capaldi was the best NuWho Doctor ever period because he was the Doctor on form and insisted on no romance with his companions which got so tiresome. I liked Jodie as well even though sadly her stories werent as good but atleast there was a slight progression.
I agree about the Moffat comments. He made the stories so complicated nobody was able to follow them. It was a case of 'look how clever I am by writing complex stories'.
I didn't feel that they were THAT complicated. He just utilised Time Travel more. It is a complex subject but I mean...what do you expect? It's Time Travel. RTD was good with the fantasy side of Doctor Who while Moffat excelled at the scientific side to Doctor Who.
He was likely planned to have a bigger role in the 3rd story but the actor became too sick to film it & died before they had the chance meaning he ended up not having a role sadly.
I agree that he made them more complex, I disagree with the "they were harder to follow" bit. I think you could easily follow them, but the problem is, the "complicated plot" didn't add anything to the story. They were just complicated for no reason and at the end of it you would come up with like 4 different ways of reducing the stuff that happened on the screen while keeping the same ending. And this pissed me off, it felt like he was stretching out the episodes for no reason. And sadly, I couldn't care less about the companions either :( and it makes me angry, like I mean I want to enjoy the episode!
@@turokk3352 yes it is because his final scene was supposed to be the dinner scene at the end of the giggle, the end of wild blue yonder was never written as his final scene but sadly it ended up being his last scene. This youtuber should be glad he was even in the episode not criticising it.
@@themanwithnoname2816 No, not even slightly. For the last *13 years* his send-off was saluting the Doctor from his granddaughter’s wedding. THAT was and always will be his last scene. Every single bit of _this_ was a sludge-filled diarrhea splatter that was morally reprehensible in every way, shape, and form to both the actor and the character. None of that should have ever been considered as part of the final draft of the script, but the fact that they didn’t cut that god-awful scene where they make the Doctor think he DIED and then call the Doctor an idiot for *their own dialogue* after Bernard’s death shows how little the people behind this show for the last decade resemble actual human beings, but instead sociopathic demons walking around in Slitheen skins.
I gave up on the series during Capaldis run. Became unwatchable to me and I could see where it was going. As with most modern installments of franchise I love, I've had to give up and ignore they exist. I'm happy enough thinking the Doctor died at the end of Smiths run when his lives ran out.
Maybe you should give it another chance, Capaldi is considered the best doctor by a lot of DW fans, me inlcuded, Tennant used to be my favoutite, but Capaldi grew on me and he's really amazing
@@Neimit Agreed. Capaldi exemplified the Doctor as a character and really brought him down from Eleven's mythological status (which I didn't mind) and back to basics.
I used to watch a little bit of the Eccleston and Tennant eras, but only really started watching Doctor Who once Matt Smith came along. And for me, "Twice Upon A Time" was like a proper ending to the show, so I kinda stopped watching. Eventually I got around to watch episodes of the Chibnall era and that just strengthened my belief that it should've ended with Capaldi. Despite some good performances, the specials weren't good enough from a writing point to respark interested and the first couple of episodes with Ncuti made me question for whom the show is still made for. TDLR: Twice Upon Time is the perfect episode to leave the series behind.
Twice Upon a Time is shit. Awful nonsense episode, would've been a terrible ending. Arguably The Doctor Falls would've been a better ending for 12 but still not for the show itself. If Twice Upon a Time was the last Dr Who episode ever, you know you would be calling it terrible so dont lie to yourself.
Its such a shame that Doctor Who has gone down hill. Yeah Moffat's writing was overly complicated but at least the characters were interesting and the individual stories were pretty good too. Since Chibnall's run, the show has been left with stale 'characters' (if you could even call them that) and boring stories which talk down to and lecturing the viewer like a child. Doctor Who's episodes have always been a bit hit or miss, but despite its flaws it was entertaining, now calling it flawed is an understatement.
"something a male presenting time lord will never understand" Girl, he has been a woman like a while ago, he is giggling inside knowing how wrong you are. Tbh I am very disappointed with the new series. I wish they did something as majestic as 50th anniversary did and the Series 8, but welp here we are. I think we need some new showrunners, like completely new. That is even the whole point of Doctor Who - new doctor, new companions, new tardis, new showrunner, new writers, etc etc etc. And they missed that entire point with Season 1 and recent Specials. I know Chibnail Era was criticized much, but at least it was something new and not just the repeat of already known Moffat \ RTD cliches.
Midnight is such a great episode! And yeah... it seems like almost everything being released over the last 5 years has just turned to shit. Sad to see the Doctor go.
@@turokk3352 Yeah he wasn't written in because he was really old. He was meant to be in Part 3 but as OP said, he passed away. The writing for him was not disrespectful. Obviously. Lol
@@turokk3352 If this was any other episode... maybe I'd agree? Still probably not because you're blatantly wrong but remember this is a SIXTIETH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL. It is a special episode celebrating 60 years of the show's history! Now if you would look at Wild Blue Yonder, you would see that episode practically has NO 'key-jangling' or nostalgia bait moments whatsoever. It's an entirely original story and a bloody good one at that. The character of Wilf is the grandad of Donna (one of the main characters of this special) and referenced many times throughout in a pleasant context. He is clearly a character beloved by both the audience and the in-universe characters. Therefore, at the end, when he shows up, it's earned. The 'problem' (and I put that in inverted commas because it is not a problem, it is a fact of life) is that the actor passed. Therefore he could not be in the 3rd special as much as was originally planned. This is not a criticism of the episode as much as it is a criticism of life. People die. It is what it is. There are no 'member-berries' here. Your criticism is blatantly false on the face of it. Nothing in the text is disrespectful. Nothing in the meta-text is disrespectful. So you should probably stop being silly now and smell the coffee.
@@DaDaPieGaming we just have different opinions mate. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I didn’t at all I thought it was disrespectful dogshit. As dr who is now.
Peter Capaldi is my favourite. He reminds me of Classic Doctors. No flirting and more alien. The 12th Doctor isn’t an over the top pretty boy but an aloof, unpredictable, stern more alien character. I always found Tennant OTT and his actions were too emotional and flirtatious. I agree with you on the Star Beast that the writing was abysmal. The clunky inclusivity from RTD is laughable. The show needs new writers. People who know about science and can write science fiction rather than badly written fantasy fan fiction from RTD. I wish Disney had kept away. I was never a huge fan of RTD’s Doctor Who but at least when he brought it back he made an effort. Now it’s like he’s given up even making sense with the plot lines. Midnights a great episode with the wonderful Lesley Sharp. Maybe Charlie Brooker could take over the show?
Totally agree, and it only got worse from there. One point I love to hear because a lot of other videos and comments don't really pick this up, is that yes, David Tennant Round 1 was brilliant. I would also use it to get other people into the show and it had around 12 million viewers in that era. People who weren't even fans wouldn't watch it and everyone was going ballistic over it at the award's ceremony. Similar to the person running this page, I watched the Matt Smith era hating it, and then only a bit of the Peter Capaldi before thinking, "I can't do this anymore," and stopped altogether. Then I started again when Jodie Whitaker came in and, once again against popular opinion, I didn't mind it because it was at least watchable to me, so I saw the whole series. One or two minor points were a pain, but on the whole, I liked it. (Ace has the best line in the whole of the new series when she picks up her baseball bat and say, "Beyonce copied my moves). I did watch the Star Beast and the one after it and didn't mind them too much. Then I saw snippets for the Giggle and went, "No way," and now cringe at every other snippet I see for the latest season. So no, I don't think Doctor Who ended after the Capaldi run, like people are saying. I think it actually ended at the End of Time, when the Doctor said "I don't want to go." It lost viewers ever since after that. If they'd ended it right at that point it would have been best...show...ever.
I noped out hard also around half-way through the Matt Smith era. I kept up on the news and nothing has even moved the needle in my interest to come back.
Matt still carried it, albeit just barely, until he ended his run. The show was getting worse but still had its moments. But Capaldi's first episode was like the school bell to me, ok, I'm out.
I kind of felt the same way with the Fifth Doctor. And, to a lesser extent, the Tenth. Not every iteration of the Doctor is going to appeal equally to everyone, and it shouldnt.
I agree with most of your points. But Cribbins was meant to be in more, he died very shortly after he filmed his bits for episode 2. They had the difficult decision of completely cutting him or writing him out of episode 3. I think in that regard, they made the right call. If we’d known there was Wilf footage that wasn’t used, we’d have wanted it.
They still could have done more to honour his memory, like putting the in memoriam at the end of the episode instead of after all of the credits (at which point most people have tuned out) Nice channel name though
@@CriticalDiverseFemale The lazy sitcom gag with Wilf was awful, but following his passing it looked insensitive as well. The team were clearly editing it v.late as the 3 second concrete/mortar exchange from dad was obviously dubbed in. Wilf was the character he regenerated and gave everything away for, but I felt he was treated just as a token appearance from the bloke who did the voice of the Wombles. The memoriam would have been better had it been a white writing on black screen in silence before the music and credits rolled. Sure, a bit heavy but this was just tacky.
it gets worse as ncuti behaves like a gay sterotype, crys all the time as well as runs away and chases after a guy leaving ruby in danger so he can have a snog with him. in his second episode they touch on immigration and abortion. Ive been watching who since the early 70s. Ive given up on the show along with my grandkids who loved matt smith as it no longer feels like dr who for me or them. good vid btw.
@@bobbobby438 there was no reason for the 15th doctor to think ruby was in danger. 10 did the exact same thing in season 2 the girl in the fireplace leaving rose and mickey in a ship full of dangerous clockwork robots.
@@Melono0000 The issue for me isn't him going off and leaving her its that pretty much every single time something needs to be done he stands there weeping while someone else saves the day. Space babies is technically not him as he was trying to kill the bogeyman while Ruby saves the day and it. Devils cord its Lenon and McCartney who defeat the enemy. Boom its Vater who stops the war. 73 yards is pretty much a nothing burger with no one saving the day. Dot and Bubble he manages to actually save a bunch of space racists who promptly go off into a swamp to presumably die as they have zero idea how to survive out there while he weeps and watches. Rogue its Rogue who saves the day while again the doctor weeps. The legend of Ruby Sunday is a set up episode and its part 2 empire of death he does technically save the day. However its off set by Davies feeling the need to insult the audience for thinking the season long build up of Ruby's mystery was just because the viewers thought she was special when she's really just an oridinary woman. Although this makes a lot of things in the season make no sense.
First off, love your video, largely agree! I hated Star Beast, kinda liked Wild Blue Yonder (felt more like Tennant's original run), and thought the Giggle was somewhere in-between, flawed but with some good spots. All the points you made were spot-on (I might disagree about giving the money away, but I don't remember if the show indicated she and her husband agreed on it, or she just made that decision without him, one of which I would find laudable and the other highly objectionable). But one thing I thought I'd drop in (being that 'ak-tually!' nerd), is that the villain's cutesy design is actually from a 1980s 4th Doctor comic; in fact, this whole story is (except with Rose and Donna dropped into it, instead it was originally the 4th Doctor and an african-american woman companion from the comics (first in the franchise, as a trivia point, though obviously Martha was the first onscreen); and the character of Beep the Meep is kind of a fan favorite from comics and audio. (The whole point being the 'cute and cuddly looking furball who is actually a genocidal dictator'). In this respect, it's kind of like Star Wars bringing in Grand Admiral Thrawn from the books, a bit of a tip of the hat for the classic fans. So the overall story and 'marketable' design of the villain were baked in from the start, and it was kind of a cool thing to adapt an old fan favorite comic- including its Star Wars-y look and specific designs. But then they had to pollute it with... well, all the stuff you pointed out. :-) Whereas a straight adaptation (uh, no pun included) of the source material wouldn't have included all the frustrating issues you bring up.
@@GrassGrabber liking your own comment is crazy. Also, not even close, the modern left isn't the ones who are trying to push laws that make it impossible for certain people to exist
I personally outgrew doctor who at 13, was something I grew out of rather than stuck with. Large part of that was Matt Smith’s version of the character - Tennant was a bit goofy and childlike, but matt smith’s version was basically a child
@@CriticalDiverseFemale Glad to see it's something you've stuck with and enjoyed! For me, Eccleston is my all time favourite but tennant is definitely 2nd. They can try to bring back tennant for viewership but the butchered script filled with modern day californian nonsense won't get them far, and it hasn't
This was such a great piece. Well structured , thoughtful , totally honest, and nicely edited. You set the stall with the inro and laid it all out with a very well thought out narrative. I agree with so so much. Yay, more props to Martha! And I have an almost biblical hate towards the sonic screwdriver / magic wand / plot convenience . Drives me nuts. I felt the first revival RTD brought the love and enthusiasm he had since he was a kid. And in the second RTD revival, all he brought was the enthusiasm of a famous tv writer and a wodge of Disney cash. The love had gone. The whole trilogy was the weakest thing they could've done. I'd rather they give Ncuti the chance to start as a fumbling mysterious doctor in a 3 episode arc allowing him to grow into his identity and the audience follow and grow with him. But RTD had him shoot out the cannon like a Ritalin-addled Mighty Mouse. It devalued Tennant, ruined Gatwa's chance of legitimacy, and destroyed the credibility of RTD (that last one I am not bothered about). It all had me agreeing with Ecclestone. Get rid of RTD and his producers and The Doctor could return again. Ignore my waffle (sorry) , your video was top notch👌
I lost interest mid-way Capaldi's clara run, cause I loathed that Clara was so so so important to everything and everyone, it's just not the sort of story or companion dynamic I enjoy. But I recently went back to watch Season 10 and the Capaldi specials and they are amazing. Loved them. And Loved Capaldi. He's absolutely my favourite doctor now. Haven't seen any of Jodie's episodes and never will. I did watch the Starbeast and some of the regeneration into the new doctor. But just couldn't get into it despite how much i loved Doctor-Donna. i really dislike being told to love how great women are or how great non-binary identity is by a story.
The look of the star beast isn't entirely fair. They're not that much different from their original design from the 80's, just a little less round and white instead of blue.
I'm glad about what you said at 3:17 - 3:29 about a trans character. I knew transsexuals, as they were known then, in the 80s and grew up watchin Dr Who in the 70s. I have no issue with them but the performance was just shocking. The character was just filler and seemed like a last minute addition that seemed to tick the boxes and just had bland dialogue.
Feel like you only focused on the bad episode the other 2 are better. The mid one is great & the last one is pretty good until round the end with the odd stuff of Bi-generation which is kinda odd but other than that its good. Also on the Wilf thing I think they said he was meant to have a larger role in the third episode but sadly passed away before they could finish filming all his scenes so we are left with the single scene at the end of episode 2 instead of him being in the 3rd episode not really like its the film makers fault he died. I do feel like the 1st episode became worse as it went on though the original story was far better.
#NotMyDoctor I will always cherish tenants first run but absolutely ignore this garbage, unfortunately gatwa’s doctor is no better, maybe it’ll get better or maybe not but I’m out either way
I rewatched a load of doctor who end of last year/through this year as a result of the david tennant come back. Well, it was a first time for eccleston as I grew up with the last season of Tennant and matt smith and Capaldi mostly. But I think Eccleston is probably the best doctor and that season 2 of Tennant (season 3), with Martha, is probably the best season (Martha is an amazing and underrated companion imo). Ive not watched any of Jodie except for the first episode when it aired and I thought it was shit. That being said, I think the new tennant and ncuti gatwa is mostly good and if they cut the preachy shit it would be great. The thing is, pre Whittaker had political undertones at times but never preached that hard. Now its so preachy its cringe. People dont mind politics in tv as long as its done well. When its rammed down your throat people turn off of it even if they agree with it (im pro lgbt and womens rights etc. and I still get turned off from preachy shit in tv)
I've been avoiding watching Doctor Who since midway through Peter Capaldi's episodes. I think I made the right choice, maybe should have stopped even sooner.
I stopped at the same time. But recently saw season 10 and Capaldi's specials. They were great. I enjoyed this very compassionate version of 12. They seemed like simple adventure stories.
The whole trans thing really irked me. And then the doctor asking an alien its pronouns. I checked out during jodies era but then watching the 60th anniversary really hurt my brain. David tennants era was my childhood as well as matt smith era. And then after that i grew up and moved on
Ah yes the concept that is of vital importance in a show about alien beings and time travel. "Hello alien what are your pronouns?" "Pro . . . nouns? I'm sorry I don't understand." "Do you want to be called a male or a female." ". . . can't you tell by looking at me?" "Yes you look male but do you identify as being male?" "Look I'm sure this is all very fascinating to your primitive species but if you could just point me to the nearest authority figure with combat forces I am being hunted right now." "But . . . but I don''t know whether to call you male or female!" "Enough NOM NOM NOM. Hopefully the next primitive meat bag will just answer my questions. I mean seriously male or female what was it trying to mate with me? Disgusting."
Well said. I was stunned how offensive Star Beast was. Wild Blue Yonder wasn't terrible, but nevertheless a horrible experience, confirming Timeless Children as canon, making the Doctor a "b---er" (censored to avoid comment being deleted by Google) and changing Isaac Newton's race, while making him a horrible "s---y". What an insult to a great man! Then the Giggle was horrible nonsense, pure fantasy. Just when I thought it couldn't get worse, we got Devil's Chord, absolutely vile, way into the realms of nonsensical fantasy, then on to increasingly worse episodes, including the horrible politics of Dot and Bubble, and of course giving the Doctor a g-- lover in Rogue. Even putting aside horrible politics, the worst stuff was how bewilderingly nonsensical it all was, from 73 Yards to the two-part final where the Doctor is now a full wizard whose screwdriver can literally do anything, including changing a simple piece of glass into a tablet computer with a battery, a case, a screen, and the computer is intelligent and can show you videos from the future if it likes you. WHAT THE HELL!? The only good episode was Boom. As much as Moffat's writing had become annoying and bland, the man CAN write. RTD has become a lunatic.
I think RTD making this the first episode of this brand new era in the way he did has led to many problems and negative interpretations. Dont get me wrong, I dont blame people for having doubts after seeing it with some wonky bit of dialogue and some strange pacing descisions, but if you are judging this whole era based on this episode, im sorry, but you are missing some amazing Who. We had banger episodes like Boom, 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble, Wild Blue Yonder, The Devils Chord, The Giggle that were some of the best Who in ages. I think with The Star Beast, it was trying to bite off more than it could chew, making it a sequel to Journeys End, setting up a new era and being an exploration into what it means to be trans. For most of the episode, the exploration into trans difficulties was done really well, and dived into the name calling and slip ups in pronouns in a mature and accesible way and criticised the creuelty of predujice and transphobia. But it felt like that last line was designed in a way to annoy grifters on RUclips like Nerdrotic or Bowlstrek (which dont get me wrong, they deserve to be called out for their behaviour), but it did have the issue of alienating those who arent apart of that group aswell, which isnt fair. But I can take the rough with the smooth. I feel like what RTD should have done is isntead of basing this on a comic, he should have just done an entirely original story. No Meep or Wrath Warriors, just explore 14s and Donnas relationship across the 3 episodes (and use The Toymaker as part of the story to tie it up) and spend a full episode exploring what it means to be trans, which would give more time and meaning to the story, and hopefully go into depth about the cruelty of transphobia and what being trans means and feels like, and really let Yasmin Finney be able to get time to perform. I just wanna take time to let people know, that when this new era was releasing, we have seen a surge of reaction to all of Doctor Who on RUclips. Just from quick observations, weve had Syntell, Casual Nerd Reactions, funnylilgalreacts, emme reacts, Britany Binges, React and Ramble, Jules Reacts, UgoWatch and I think there were more, so this new era has definitely raised awareness of the show, and has brought amazing new people in. I would definitely recommend people watch UgoWatch, Syntell and classic reactors like The Blind Wave and The Reel Rejects for their reaction of this new era, as they have enjoyed it massively. RTD has some polishing to do, and I think he has some work to do on scripts, narratives in an 8 episode format, but he is still telling good stories in Season 1, and execution aside, the themes he goes into, especially for being distributed on Disney, are very important, and I feels its important to hear the points raised. (Also yeah, I agree with the sonic critcism. Even RTD stopped writing it to have all these features in the next episode)
Respectfully, if you're going to do a video essay at least do some research into the video you are trying to make so you don't make a fool of yourself. Allow me to elaborate: 1) The Doctor and Donna meeting up unexpectedly is a crucial plot point from the original run of RTD, a simple search or rewatching of an episode could have fixed that 2) The reaction to Rose is mostly due to the 10th Doctor's first companion Rose (who was mentioned a lot and had a romantic relationship with the Doctor tragically cut short). Since he's just unexpectedly bumped into Donna and hears the name 'Rose' he would 100% be taken aback. 3) Skinny suit joke, guess you're allergic to humour \_:|_/. Humour about the Doctor's clothing has been made in many different episodes and even in the Classic Series, I mean have you SEEN what the 6th Doctor wore? Even the actor said it was the stuff of nightmares. Would you argue that the many same jokes made about 10 in the original run were demeaning and not an attempt at humour like they clearly are? 4) I think you're making a lot of assumptions about the lottery winnings. It's made clear that she didn't do it for "bragging rights", you even mention that she does it to be more like the Doctor and when Donna finally comes back, the first thing she does is tell the Doctor this and is pretty annoyed to say the least (bit of a cop-out I know but it kind of makes sense). We also don't know whether her husband was that against it (though he might have been like I said we don't know). Besides it's not like she gave it all away. It should also be noted that some people who win the lottery sometimes find it too stressful and don't know what to do with that amount of money but I guess I'm making assumptions too \_:)_/ 5) The Meep was created in a Doctor Who comic strip from 1980 and actually looked cuter and arguably more 'Disneyfied' than now. Some research and a peek at the credits could have sorted this, with it being clearly stated that it was adapted from said Doctor Who comic and therefore, not a Disney creation. 6) While Disney is providing a larger budget, it is just that, a bigger budget. The creative control is firmly in the hands of the BBC and RTD and certainly not Disney. I should also clarify that I'm not writing this because I think it was "The bestest Doctor Who in all of histowy and if anyone says otherwise they are doo-doo heads", I don't. It was pretty average at best but honestly, you don't really seem to be taking the main problems into account like the plot holes and the anti-climactic / simple way that the Doctor-Donna was restored having been hyped up so much throughout the episode. Most of these arguments could have been fixed with the smallest ounce of research into why these decisions might have been made rather than a general "Disney bad" mentality which, at least to me, sounds rather... uncritical ;)
Eh, as long as you don't go on a TERF arc, fine. I appreciate your respect for trans people, but sheesh.... if wanting a better world is an agenda, I'll accept all the shit that preaches about one, even if it's hamfisted and clumsy as this was. I might prefer more nuanced stuff, but I'm not the one with the money or reigns. The oafsome Russel is still better than someone who would agree with say... JKR and company, even if it's cringe.
@@VelaiciaCreator I can't speak for the OP, but I suspect that it is a fundamental disagreement on whether the ideas presented here represent a better world, whether advocating for a better world justifies sloppiness in execution (or whether that just harms the message- having just recently finished working my way through the early seasons of Star Trek: Discovery and the 2016 Ms. Marvel comics, I would argue that an idea presented hamfistedly can actually alienate the audience it is meant to reach and do a disservice to the cause it is meant to promote), and a general disagreement on whether someone with 'TERF' beliefs, like JKR, is actually wrong, or whether they are the ones with an accurate grasp of reality of RTD and the like are the ones advocating a harmful falsehood. Now, whether one, two, or all three of these ideas are what the OP had in mind, I cannot say. But that would be my supposition (being a veteran of many such online discussions).
@@andrewgilbertson5672 While your run-on sentence was a bit hard to parse, I think I get what you're saying. It's the same thing from 2016, where those objectively correct people who were just a little cringe ended up shat on across the internet. Hell, it resulted in the same copy-pasted still frames that are used to this day. One such example, the "triggered" girl... wasn't even triggered. She was just expressive. Ultimately though, I have to firmly state that positive representation, hamfisted or not will be better every time than false and stigmatizing representation, such as Benedict Cumberbatch's role in Zoolander 2. Because one is forgettable embarrassment(unless you're strange in the head), the other reinforces negative beliefs(otherwise known as bigotry). Sure it would be nice to have carefully prepared rep, but pos rep is pos rep.
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Hi, thanks a lot for watching and commenting on the video! I did want to clarify further on my point about Wilf /Bernard Cribbins
I’m aware that he unfortunately passed before they could finish shooting all the scenes they had in mind, however they still could have done a more respectful edit before releasing the episodes, like cutting the scene where Sylvia calls the Doctor an idiot for getting emotional at the thought of Wilf being “no longer with us” as Donna said, I also think it’s odd to have the in memoriam after the credits instead of at the end of the episode, most people don’t sit through the credits so would miss it.
I’m not saying the writers/producers of the show don’t care about Cribbins, but it came across as rushed and not considered.
Hope this clears that up, you're free to debate over it if you want lol
Martha is underated.
How Martha's facing racism in "Family of Blood" was a-million times better than Capaldi's "Whitewashed history"
or Jodie's "Space racist from 3000 some years in the future, who you'd think would be more concerned about xenos or humans shagging aliens"
10000% she is my fav companion and had some absolutely incredible episodes.
Doctor who post 2017: How to alienate working class people and normal people and middle class people and homeless people. Seriously Twice Upon a Time was the perfect ending, if only it cut off as 12 regenerated after that beautiful speech.
My doctor was Matt Smith. The old man in a young mans body I loved the acting he did to show he was much older then he looked while at the same time showing that theirs one thing the doctor won’t do is grow up I checked out during the hiatus during Capaldi’s Run. I was hesitent to pick it back up when i saw Capaldi using a lot of politicly charged language in his last season and was only curious about the show again when John Simms The Master returned then it dropped female doctor for 13 I just couldn’t see the character working as a woman (we are different and thats wonderful) so I dropped it then I heard about the timeless children and it was like they dug up a corpse of something I loved and killed it again. Then the 60th Anniversary specials and the introduction of 15th doctor and even more pandering have killed this show for me permanently, along with any hope of it recovering. The doctor is still on that planet with River thats where the show ends for me.
Agreed! I got a tattoo inspired by him
It really is a shame that the BBC never picked Doctor Who up after Capaldi's run. Maybe some day, they'll renew the series again.
I basically only saw the Capaldi run, and my God I loved him as the Doctor. To me, he's my favorite (seen clips of others, still my favorite). To see a multi-season run of him would be a treat
Capaldi is the last Doctor. Jodie could have worked but the quality of the stories just made me loose interest and stopped watching. Have never seen a single second of Ncuti's Doctor.
Oh, and Rose was played by a man, as such the correct pronouns are he/him.
Capaldi's final episode was honestly the perfect ending to the character, with him seeing his first incarnation and accepting it was time for his version of the Doctor to regenerate (great character growth from 10's "I don't want to go" too)
I stopped watching after Capaldi's first episode. I didn't like it, thought Moffat had got too dark, and too full of smug man-hating women. But now given all the horrors of the last few years (Chibnall and RTD2), I know those Capaldi episodes are going to seem like gold, and I will definitely go back and enjoy them. I'll just ignore all the smug man-hating women.
Capaldi is the best doctor, honestly, he's so so good in the role. Tennant used to be my favourite, but Capaldi grew on me, I miss him.
Absolutely, I mean, it's notlike the Fourth Doctor literally held the entire Universe in his hands with absolute power with the Key to Time and volunatrily gave it up without a second thought. What would a "male presenting time lord" know about that, ehh? Dear god. The Message is about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the back of the skull. Woman good, man bad. We got it ten years ago Moffat.
Lol
Another thing I find amusing is saying “we know everything and you know nothing” when they literally have to share the power and knowledge he has or it will kill them lol
What's Moffat got to do with it? Moffat didn't write that line or episode btw, RTD did
That is an excellent point, I never thought about the Key to Time connection!
Also, the fact that it 'Journey's End', Donna (give me a minute while I check my notes) didn't want to let it go.
You know what I hated with Wilf.
"He's not with us anymore." Says Donna.
The Doctor, tearing up, says how sorry he is and how much he loved him.
"He's not dead." "You Idiot."
Fuck you.
"He's not with us anymore." Is the human equivalent of living on a farm.
And I've asked people who haven't seen the episode what they'd assume those words mean.
They all say death.
And you don't call someone an idiot for thinking someone is dead and being emotional about it.
I heard the Actor had passed and I assumed THIS was how they were closing the book on the character.
They had a year. Edit or cut the scene to make it more respectful.
Because she's not just calling the Doctor an idiot, she's calling every single person in the audience myself included an idiot for reaching the same conclusion.
That moment is why I don’t agree with the argument being put forward that it’s because Bernard Cribbins passed away before they could finish shooting his scenes, they could have edited what they had in a more respectful way
@@CriticalDiverseFemale Why is everyone talking about Dr. Who as if its a global Phenomenon? If only Westerners realizes they weren't the center of the universe and that the greater population around the globe simply DOESN'T CARE.
@@CriticalDiverseFemale no he died end of story this Isn't a Carrie Fisher moment where you can edit more of what you have after they're gone he died no more Wilf end of story, but they didn't kill off cause that would be disrespectful so they just had his character off screen and i bet he'll show up in more Big Finish soon with a voice double and everything. just because he died doesn't make him not being killed off disrespectful, you're just being arrogant.
@@tommyfarrington8739 you can absolutely edit out that horrific diarrhea splatter of a scene where they make the Doctor think he’s dead, and then explicitly call *him* the idiot because of their own words. That should never have been in the final script, it shouldn’t have been filmed, it shouldn’t have made it through the original edit, but it *absolutely* should have been cut completely when Cribbens died. It is 1000% disrespectful to the actor who, for the last 13 years, had a send off of saluting the Doctor at his granddaughter’s wedding.
The only one being arrogant here is YOU. As well as being horrifically disrespectful. Go touch some fucking grass and stay of Reddit.
I have been a life long doctor who i grew up with david and matt. Man the difference between the 50th and the 60th is like night and day i remember watching the 50th when i was kid man it was so good
well watch it again it's good the 50th but man it's no that good brother i mean i like it but it doesn't rank high on my list. Heck I've seen fan edits of the moment that are 100% better than what Bad Wolf did not bad but def could have been better this also wasn't bad either the 60th was brilliant not sure what you're on about.
@@tommyfarrington8739 the 60th was hot garbage 🗑️🚮
@ nah maybe to you it was but that’s your opinion it was quite good so idk what your point is buddy
@tommyfarrington8739 your right it's my opinion from my view straight dog water
Well said, I'm glad that I called it a day with Peter Capaldi. His final episode, Twice Upon a Time, was a great ending for the Doctor. The 12th Doctor meeting the 1st Doctor shortly before regenerating brought it full circle for me.
That intro was brilliant
Wild was going to be in and play a role in episode 3 but Cribbins passing meant it had to be quickly rewritten
“An alien turns up in your kitchen and your reaction is this…” add pops up for Warhammer 40K tacticus 😂
An alien turns up in your kitchen and your reaction is- TO CLEANSE THE XENO FILTH WITH HOLY FIRE! BY THE EMPEROR, IT SHALL NOT TAKE ANOTHER BREATHE!
PS - I chose fire because the furry thing looks like a child, so a Salamander pov made sense iykyk
@@justsomeguyinouterspace8623 What does Salamander have to do with fur? Or fire? Or children?
@@reubenmanzo2054 Vulkan meets Eldar child. That's all I'll say.
@@justsomeguyinouterspace8623 Since we're commenting on a video about Doctor Who, when I saw "Salamander", my first thought was 'The Enemy of the World'.
@@reubenmanzo2054 Ohhh, my bad. I was talking about Warhammer 40K.
I've gotten to know the grass so well this year.
I mean Ncuti was talking about bigots. Sooo.....
@DalekCaanOfSkaro I understand what the context of him leading up to the quote is, but it's a false accusation (at least almost entirely false, there are definitely bigots who but they are few and far between). It has become the standard reply of any actor in any show with bad writing and terrible characters to defend themselves by citing racism or other such isms/phobias. However, everybody loved Captain Jack (very gay), so that argument is invalid, and nobody ever brought up Mickey or Martha's race. I've never heard anyone complain about Missy, and as for changing the status quo the 2005 restart of the series had plenty of detractors but was generally adored by audiences and critics. They didn't antagonize anyone for not liking the Doctor being sexy now, or that Gallifrey blew up, etc, they just made their show and set a standard for great writing and character work. Those standards are long gone, it's objectively poorer then RTD's previous works, and, befitting the modern entertainment industry climate, rather than admit people's valid criticisms about writing and characters they hide behind a false accusation of bigotry. Again, there are a few people that have made remarks specifically about Mr. Gatwa's race, etc, but those few idiots don't make up the millions of viewers Dr. Who has lost since the series started. The people who have written their reviews about the writing, character problems, and how the show actively antagonizes its existing fan base do. So his earlier statements can be disregarded. All that matters is this: I gave the show a chance. I was excited for the season. I really loved Gatwa's casting and in a lot of ways I still think it was a great choice, he's an excellent actor. But the writing made it clear their only goal is to push agenda at the cost of coherent story. When I complained, Ncuti said I must be a bigot and told me to go outside. So while I am not a bigot, I will take his advice, turn off the TV, and go touch some grass. He just didn't count on that applying to the millions of other non-bigots doing the same.
@@Nargon46I don't get what your point is. What, you think Ncuti was talking about every person? Because he wasn't. We both agree there would have been at least some people reacting negatively to his casting because of his skin colour. We both agree that bigots would react negatively, and the Variety article asked him about those bigots. He didn't say everyone, he didn't believe it was all fans, he was asked about that group of people, it might have been 10 people or 1000 people, and told them too touch grass. I dont understand why you keep including yourself in that group he was critciising whilst claiming to feel judged as you weren't part of that group.
Also, to say Freema received no criticism for her casting is simply ignorant. There are interviews online talking about the hate she received when cast. Also, when Varada was announced, she was falsely accused of replacing Millie, or being cast exclusively on her skin. So racism was a big thing then, and it still is now.
If an actor blames all critcism of their acting or show exclusively on bigots, then yeah, it's annoying. There are many good critics out there with creative critcism who don't judge out of predujice. But Ncuti wasn't talking about critics of his acting, or defending the series, because the context of the quote was that it was surrounding his casting before he even played the role. There was no reason to unfairly hate him when he hasn't even stepped in the costume yet or performed, and those who judged him without fair reasons and hated him, yeah he has every right to call them bigots, as he hadn't even had a chance to prove himself yet. Dont get me wrong, apprehension to a casting knowing their previous bodies of work is fine as you might question can they pull off this gig, but nobody should have been hating him as there was no reason to.
@@DalekCaanOfSkaro The amount of actual bigots is a small tiny group. So small that it wouldn't warrant a comment from the show itself. The fact that they felt the need to comment on it indicates that they believe that group to be bigger. Why? We have no confirmative proof but it is logical to assume that they consider everybody who doesn't like 'the agenda' as bigots. After all, that IS what they're pushing.
@@lord_eggThey didn't feel the need to talk about it, because they were asked about it. It was an interview, they were asked a question, they answered. This wasn't "damage control", this was Ncuti being asked about the response to his casting. It wasn't the show responding, it wasn't a formal letter by the BBC, it was Ncuti being asked a simple question, and answering with a simple response. End of.
Since the series has ended, give me one interview where RTD, Ncuti or Millie has defended the writing through blaming bigots. Genuinely, because if they did, then I would agree that they arent taking responsibility for writing descisions.
Also, it doesn't matter how small or minute the hate is, if people are being racist, you call it out. I dont get this argument "oh, only a few people were being racist so we won't talk about it", if racism is a thing, then it needs to be said.
Agenda? Seriously, pulling the agenda card? Anyone has an agenda, you do, I do. An agenda is just a point to be made, and Doctor Who has been fighting for the same "agenda" for over 60 years. Yes, it's become more obvious, the writing might not be doing it justice, but trying to pretend it's something new is just ridiculous.
So, what is this agenda? Well in your eyes, I'm guessing it's the awareness of social issues like racism and so on. Do I think The Star Beast was out of order for how that line is written? Yes, like many other big Doctor Who fans like DTDW or Rich Hutson. But for the rest of the series, it's been fine. It's been defending the same the same people it's been doing since 1963. An episode about a romance? Girl in the Fireplace 2006. A gay romance? The Pilot 2017. Racism? The Daleks 1963. Capitilsm? Oxygen 2017. Dictators? The Sound of Drums 2007 or The Daleks 1963.
This agenda has been there all along. Now if you disagree with it, fine? But if you disagree with it for unfair, predujice reasons without justifiable reason, then yeah, you are gonna get called out. This agenda is just being aware of social issues like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc, and if you do disagree with those pretty basics concepts, then im sorry, but that's a you problem.
Considering her mother and grandfather are still alive that money would also have improved their lives significantly. Not to mention 166 million pounds? Give away a hundred million and keep sixty six for your family. Oh and several books have mentioned part of the reason the doctor tends to give away huge amounts of money is that (a) its a lottery the person historically won, (b) a lottery where an extra person doesn't really affect the original winner e.g. they get twenty million instead of twenty five and (c) he's got so much money in banks around the universe due to compound interest he occasionally has to buy something to get some of it back into the econonomy.
Doctor Who died when Peter Capaldi left.
Love how in-depth you get with your explanations about why the stupid stuff is stupid. You’re so well-spoken that it makes it clear you’re not being reactionary. Great video!!
If you had told me this was the same guy that wrote the episodes Rose, The Empty Child, and Parting of the Ways, I never would have believed you. Having the sonic screwdriver do anything and everything you need is only one problem out of a massive list of problems. Using the name Rose for this character is so offensive, when you already had such an iconic character named Rose Tyler. And sure, make the excuse that it's in Donna's subconscious, doesn't make it less offensive. It's like you want a new version of Rose to undo the memory of the original Rose. And so often having the Doctor being undercut by everyone who knows better than him... It's like we can't have him as a hero anymore and that's just heartbreaking. I was fine when he regenerated into a woman, and don't mind if he regenerates into a black man, but keep the Doctor who he's always been... someone who saves the day and someone to look up to and respect. They haven't given us that in many years unfortunately.
Using the name Rose again is in no way offensive.
It is sad when even mockery, is too much effort. Dr. Who is dead. No one knows if there will ever be future episodes. I mean after next season.
Shout out to 11 and 12. My personal favorite Doctors. ❤❤❤
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I feel the same way about Halo and Star Wars, when these soulless greedy corporations get there hands on IPs they don't deserve they turn the IPs into soulless greedy cash cows. So headcanon is any Disney Star Wars material doesn't exist and any 343 halo doesn't exist.
I love Midnight so much, one of my all time favourite episodes of television, not just Doctor Who. I look forward to your video about it.
Midnight is a fantastic episode. I read a theory that one of the reasons for RTD's pushing of agendas and decline in writing ability is that he has aged out of the desirable social circles and has been trying to appeal to the younger members of those circles (Bit like a mid life crisis but with more money and people depending on you).
That combined with Disney's leanings, have led to, well, this...
Tennant will do and say just about anything for money now apparently.
I think RTD and Tennant are having a mid life crisis tbh
Now Disney has it's claws in the series, they are probably going harder at what the California crowd wants. Lots of British want to get big in Hollywood and fail. Remember Tenant in Harry Potter and Matt Smith in Terminator?
@@CriticalDiverseFemaleall Tennant has done is call out bigots like Rowling and just be a decent guy???
@@Luna-pk7gz You can have a mid life crisis and not go off the deep end, lol.
@@Luna-pk7gz JK Rowling is not a bigot and he’s not been “a decent guy”. He has, in fact, been the bigot.
Shout out to 11 and 12. My personal favorite Doctors. ❤❤❤
I got started on Tom Baker, and I suspect he will always be "The Doctor"
Love Matt Smith but started initially checking out around his era, thanks to Moffat's show running.
One of the absofuckinglutely incomprehensible things about these writers is that they establish that the Doctor has lived entire lives as a female. Making him/them (I guess) probably the most qualified being in the franchise to understand things from both perspectives. And then they still play the “you wouldn’t understand, you’re just a simple man” card.
I mean, what? No, seriously, what?
Consider this. Jason has decided to identify as "Rose" a woman. Yet neither Rose nor Donna ever think to ask the doctor if they want to do the same? He just regenerated from being a woman, his memory gets partially blamed for Rose being who they are. Yet they look at him and just go "You man, you dumb."
@ I think perhaps it highlights a number of inconsistencies in gender fluidity ideology. Or at least those who are heavily invested in promoting it. Because whilst a core tenet appears to be that you cannot take people at face value and make assumptions, the vast majority are assumed to be as they appear. And often the most unflattering caricature of that, so that they can be dismissed or vilified as is convenient.
And the term they use is “male presenting”. So they are very much tying his ability to understand to his outward appearance, not his personality and experience. Yet what would be “non-binary” presenting anyway? Many people who claim to be this are indistinguishable from societal understandings of male or female. So a non-binary person by this logic is still limited by their biological sex and appearance?
@@Karras353 Yep Rose and Donna are oh so understanding and open minded "You look male therefore you know nothing and are an idiot". Gee I wonder if Rose is getting bullied becaues they're trans or because they're a smug git.
The scene with Wilf was sadly all Bernard was able to contribute. He passed away before he could complete all the scenes originally written for him. So it wasn't a case of the production team "wasting" the character, it really was the episode being written around the short amount of footage of Wilf they were able to shoot in the circumstances.
It’s that the writing for him was disrespectful. Which it was.
@@turokk3352 No it wasn't did you not listen! He had more to film and then he died, Jesus Christ how dumb are you?
While I agree that Martha is the best companion, I think a lot of the points in this video are a little unfair. The Bernard Cribbins thing for example is totally out of their hands. Donna giving away her money is called out in the episode and calling her husband 'a diversity hire' seems very rude. His lack of surprise at an alien isn't really a criticism considering he's been in Doctor Who episodes before and I feel Donna isn't presented as being better than the Doctor- just as an equal, similarly to before. Her calling out the Doctor and keeping him in check was a defining part of why their dynamic was so popular in the first place.
The similarities to the Wrath Warriors and the At-ats I didn't really get. Beep the Meep is a call-back character to the comic books from the 80s so not a Grogu clone and the 60th as a whole was filmed before Doctor Who partnered with Disney for streaming and only released afterward, so that narrative kind of falls flat on its face. Overall, the Star Beast is an episode that is worthy of criticism, and probably far and away the worst episode of this new era... but all of the points you raised in this video are quite silly in my opinion. I hope you keep watching the show though. A lot of the more recent episodes are very good!
It was shit mate you know it was
The legend has spoken
Well said
Poor Shaun Temple is such a doormat. 😂
Would a 16th Paul Mcgann doctor work? I mean desperate times...
I was really looking forward to Doctor Who being run by someone else than Chibnall. I actually enjoyed season 13, but 11 and 12 were just bad, except for few very rare episodes.
Then the Star Beast came and I was honestly dissapointed, I really didn't like the episode, it felt a bit cringey and I didn't like the sonic screwdriver being overpowered like that.
However then came Wild Blue Yonder and it's honestly one of my favourite episodes ever and the Toymaker wasn't bad either.
When it comes to Ncuti Gatwa, I like him as a doctor, though I do agree they overused the crying a bit too much, it then looses impactfulness. Space Babies wasn't great, the second part of the finale was dissapointing, but there were some standout episodes. Boom, 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble were actually really good episodes. What I didn't like is the lack of character development for the doctor and especially Ruby, she fell flat for me and I did not feel sad when she departed, her family wasn't developed either. Her first timr in Space Babies, she's just so accepting to everything, after almost dying in Boom, she has no reaction, she doesn't feel like a character, because she does not react realistically. It's a shame, maybe the next companion will be better, I also hope we get to see more of the doctor and some more traditional style doctor who stories, rather than just experimental ones. Your typical landing somewhere, exploring, figuring out something is off, I feel like special episodes such as Blink, work really well if the whole season isn't that. If the whole season is that, you don't get time for character development.
Audiobook worthy voice, nice vid 👍
Thanks!
Donna giving away that money was also completely out of the character - remembering she is the Donna with her memory wiped of the Doctor. There is no way she would ever have done that. the Doctor was amde a joke and the whole epsiode was a shocker. I know it's a cliche almost but DW died with Peter Capaldi depart. strangely I find Tennant's Doctor less appealling now that these modern episodes have aired. His Doctor is too emotional, too human and too self-pitying.
not sure how to put my feelings into words on this. but i guess i wanna say to doctor who fans, it must feel as personal as what has been done to star wars to many classic legends fans.
Enjoying your vids keep it up
I met RTD in a supermarket around 10 years ago and as someone who had been a fan of the classic series in my youth, I thanked him for bringing it back.
After the last couple of years, if I met him again I don't know what I would say to him. I certainly wouldn't be thanking him, that's for sure.
The mind virus is all consuming I guess.
Unfortunately I think it's more likely that this is what he wanted to do in 2005 but due to social pressure he didn't. If he had I doubt it would have lasted long.
In my opinion i think bringing back RTD and David Tennant as the Fourteenth Doctor was a very big mistake Ncuti Gatwa should had been the Fourteenth Doctor not David Tennant and should had regenerated from Jodie Whittaker the show is suppose to be about progression and it's gone completely backwards RTD is doing the same thing he's done before but trying to introduce it to a new audience that doesn't exist i also think RTD has constantly ran out of ideas and is desperate for money they should had got a completely new production team and it should never had went to Disney i would also had not brought Donna Noble back in the way they did because now they made her ending in Journey's End meaningless as much as we hated the idea of having her mind wiped companions arent always going to have a happy ending and they shouldn't because that to me is just not realistic i'm tired of stories constantly being set on earth and companions with their families why cant we have an alien or someone thats not from the modern day earth kind of companion.
To me and i know there are some people who won't agree but i think Peter Capaldi was the best NuWho Doctor ever period because he was the Doctor on form and insisted on no romance with his companions which got so tiresome.
I liked Jodie as well even though sadly her stories werent as good but atleast there was a slight progression.
Completely agree
I 100 percent agree with you on that
I hated Davies the first time
I stayed FAR away from the new current Doctor seasons. After watching all 3 of RTD’s specials…… that was all I needed to see.
Sorry- it’s painful stuff I know
I agree about the Moffat comments. He made the stories so complicated nobody was able to follow them. It was a case of 'look how clever I am by writing complex stories'.
I didn't feel that they were THAT complicated. He just utilised Time Travel more. It is a complex subject but I mean...what do you expect? It's Time Travel. RTD was good with the fantasy side of Doctor Who while Moffat excelled at the scientific side to Doctor Who.
I followed them no problem
He was likely planned to have a bigger role in the 3rd story but the actor became too sick to film it & died before they had the chance meaning he ended up not having a role sadly.
I agree that he made them more complex, I disagree with the "they were harder to follow" bit. I think you could easily follow them, but the problem is, the "complicated plot" didn't add anything to the story. They were just complicated for no reason and at the end of it you would come up with like 4 different ways of reducing the stuff that happened on the screen while keeping the same ending. And this pissed me off, it felt like he was stretching out the episodes for no reason. And sadly, I couldn't care less about the companions either :( and it makes me angry, like I mean I want to enjoy the episode!
Bernard Cribbins was going to be in the giggle but he couldn't because he died so saying his last scene is a missed opportunity is just daft.
Not really though Is it ?
@@turokk3352 yes it is because his final scene was supposed to be the dinner scene at the end of the giggle, the end of wild blue yonder was never written as his final scene but sadly it ended up being his last scene. This youtuber should be glad he was even in the episode not criticising it.
@@themanwithnoname2816 I dunno man I thought the writing for and about him was weak and disrespectful. But FairPlay have a great day!
@@themanwithnoname2816 No, not even slightly. For the last *13 years* his send-off was saluting the Doctor from his granddaughter’s wedding. THAT was and always will be his last scene. Every single bit of _this_ was a sludge-filled diarrhea splatter that was morally reprehensible in every way, shape, and form to both the actor and the character. None of that should have ever been considered as part of the final draft of the script, but the fact that they didn’t cut that god-awful scene where they make the Doctor think he DIED and then call the Doctor an idiot for *their own dialogue* after Bernard’s death shows how little the people behind this show for the last decade resemble actual human beings, but instead sociopathic demons walking around in Slitheen skins.
@StarWarsomania so you would prefer if they didn't bring Wilf back?
Bro didnt just drop a White Chicks clip in the video 💀
I gave up on the series during Capaldis run. Became unwatchable to me and I could see where it was going. As with most modern installments of franchise I love, I've had to give up and ignore they exist. I'm happy enough thinking the Doctor died at the end of Smiths run when his lives ran out.
Maybe you should give it another chance, Capaldi is considered the best doctor by a lot of DW fans, me inlcuded, Tennant used to be my favoutite, but Capaldi grew on me and he's really amazing
@@Neimit Agreed. Capaldi exemplified the Doctor as a character and really brought him down from Eleven's mythological status (which I didn't mind) and back to basics.
I used to watch a little bit of the Eccleston and Tennant eras, but only really started watching Doctor Who once Matt Smith came along. And for me, "Twice Upon A Time" was like a proper ending to the show, so I kinda stopped watching. Eventually I got around to watch episodes of the Chibnall era and that just strengthened my belief that it should've ended with Capaldi.
Despite some good performances, the specials weren't good enough from a writing point to respark interested and the first couple of episodes with Ncuti made me question for whom the show is still made for.
TDLR: Twice Upon Time is the perfect episode to leave the series behind.
Twice Upon a Time is shit. Awful nonsense episode, would've been a terrible ending. Arguably The Doctor Falls would've been a better ending for 12 but still not for the show itself. If Twice Upon a Time was the last Dr Who episode ever, you know you would be calling it terrible so dont lie to yourself.
@@DaDaPieGaming ....
Its such a shame that Doctor Who has gone down hill. Yeah Moffat's writing was overly complicated but at least the characters were interesting and the individual stories were pretty good too. Since Chibnall's run, the show has been left with stale 'characters' (if you could even call them that) and boring stories which talk down to and lecturing the viewer like a child. Doctor Who's episodes have always been a bit hit or miss, but despite its flaws it was entertaining, now calling it flawed is an understatement.
Oh, she's got talent! Smooth voice as well, very easy to listen to. Good video, nice edits 👌🏿
Thanks!
"something a male presenting time lord will never understand"
Girl, he has been a woman like a while ago, he is giggling inside knowing how wrong you are.
Tbh I am very disappointed with the new series. I wish they did something as majestic as 50th anniversary did and the Series 8, but welp here we are. I think we need some new showrunners, like completely new. That is even the whole point of Doctor Who - new doctor, new companions, new tardis, new showrunner, new writers, etc etc etc. And they missed that entire point with Season 1 and recent Specials.
I know Chibnail Era was criticized much, but at least it was something new and not just the repeat of already known Moffat \ RTD cliches.
A very good, and well presented review... 🌟🌟🌟
Thank you!
Midnight is such a great episode! And yeah... it seems like almost everything being released over the last 5 years has just turned to shit. Sad to see the Doctor go.
The only point i disagree with is about willf. Bernard cribbins died like how are they supposed to have him feature more? Hes literally dead
Good Lord, is that scene from the intro real?
Yes… it’s terrible.
Sadly yes.
Just add it to all the other male bashing examples this excuse for a show has given us.
I hear the Danse macrbe 🤔
The Danse Macabre slaps, on almost every occasion
Bernard Cribbins died during filming
I think she’s saying the writing for him was disrespectful. The fact he wasn’t written into the first episode or most of the second.
@@turokk3352 Yeah he wasn't written in because he was really old. He was meant to be in Part 3 but as OP said, he passed away. The writing for him was not disrespectful. Obviously. Lol
@@DaDaPieGaming you’re missing the point maybe it’s one of opinion. I feel the writing was very disrespectful. The memberberries more than anything.
@@turokk3352 If this was any other episode... maybe I'd agree? Still probably not because you're blatantly wrong but remember this is a SIXTIETH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL. It is a special episode celebrating 60 years of the show's history! Now if you would look at Wild Blue Yonder, you would see that episode practically has NO 'key-jangling' or nostalgia bait moments whatsoever. It's an entirely original story and a bloody good one at that. The character of Wilf is the grandad of Donna (one of the main characters of this special) and referenced many times throughout in a pleasant context. He is clearly a character beloved by both the audience and the in-universe characters. Therefore, at the end, when he shows up, it's earned. The 'problem' (and I put that in inverted commas because it is not a problem, it is a fact of life) is that the actor passed. Therefore he could not be in the 3rd special as much as was originally planned. This is not a criticism of the episode as much as it is a criticism of life. People die. It is what it is. There are no 'member-berries' here. Your criticism is blatantly false on the face of it. Nothing in the text is disrespectful. Nothing in the meta-text is disrespectful. So you should probably stop being silly now and smell the coffee.
@@DaDaPieGaming we just have different opinions mate. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I didn’t at all I thought it was disrespectful dogshit. As dr who is now.
Misandry is not female empowerment
Peter Capaldi is my favourite. He reminds me of Classic Doctors. No flirting and more alien. The 12th Doctor isn’t an over the top pretty boy but an aloof, unpredictable, stern more alien character. I always found Tennant OTT and his actions were too emotional and flirtatious. I agree with you on the Star Beast that the writing was abysmal. The clunky inclusivity from RTD is laughable. The show needs new writers. People who know about science and can write science fiction rather than badly written fantasy fan fiction from RTD. I wish Disney had kept away. I was never a huge fan of RTD’s Doctor Who but at least when he brought it back he made an effort. Now it’s like he’s given up even making sense with the plot lines. Midnights a great episode with the wonderful Lesley Sharp. Maybe Charlie Brooker could take over the show?
Charlie Brooker isn’t a bad shout, he could take Doctor Who in a really interesting direction
Totally agree, and it only got worse from there.
One point I love to hear because a lot of other videos and comments don't really pick this up, is that yes, David Tennant Round 1 was brilliant. I would also use it to get other people into the show and it had around 12 million viewers in that era. People who weren't even fans wouldn't watch it and everyone was going ballistic over it at the award's ceremony.
Similar to the person running this page, I watched the Matt Smith era hating it, and then only a bit of the Peter Capaldi before thinking, "I can't do this anymore," and stopped altogether.
Then I started again when Jodie Whitaker came in and, once again against popular opinion, I didn't mind it because it was at least watchable to me, so I saw the whole series. One or two minor points were a pain, but on the whole, I liked it. (Ace has the best line in the whole of the new series when she picks up her baseball bat and say, "Beyonce copied my moves).
I did watch the Star Beast and the one after it and didn't mind them too much. Then I saw snippets for the Giggle and went, "No way," and now cringe at every other snippet I see for the latest season.
So no, I don't think Doctor Who ended after the Capaldi run, like people are saying. I think it actually ended at the End of Time, when the Doctor said "I don't want to go." It lost viewers ever since after that. If they'd ended it right at that point it would have been best...show...ever.
@@SamSilver-wl8ed doctor who is as popular as ever and the writing peaked in capaldis era.
I noped out hard also around half-way through the Matt Smith era. I kept up on the news and nothing has even moved the needle in my interest to come back.
Same! I think the "Steven Moffat exhaustion' started to hit us all lol
Matt still carried it, albeit just barely, until he ended his run. The show was getting worse but still had its moments. But Capaldi's first episode was like the school bell to me, ok, I'm out.
@@vlastelinprislic286capaldi was my favourite doctor and brought some of the best episodes
@@Melono0000 really, which ones? My feeling was he was a good Dr but his stories and companions sucked
@@vlastelinprislic286 heaven sent, world enough and time, the doctor falls, mummy on the orient express, under the lake and before the flood.
I kind of felt the same way with the Fifth Doctor. And, to a lesser extent, the Tenth.
Not every iteration of the Doctor is going to appeal equally to everyone, and it shouldnt.
I like that you don't just point out the obvious nonsense you do a deep dive into the detailed nonsense. What they did to Wilfred was unforgivable
Will became too ill to do the 3rd episode so they had to change it. Not their fault
I agree with most of your points. But Cribbins was meant to be in more, he died very shortly after he filmed his bits for episode 2. They had the difficult decision of completely cutting him or writing him out of episode 3. I think in that regard, they made the right call. If we’d known there was Wilf footage that wasn’t used, we’d have wanted it.
They still could have done more to honour his memory, like putting the in memoriam at the end of the episode instead of after all of the credits (at which point most people have tuned out)
Nice channel name though
@@CriticalDiverseFemale The lazy sitcom gag with Wilf was awful, but following his passing it looked insensitive as well. The team were clearly editing it v.late as the 3 second concrete/mortar exchange from dad was obviously dubbed in. Wilf was the character he regenerated and gave everything away for, but I felt he was treated just as a token appearance from the bloke who did the voice of the Wombles. The memoriam would have been better had it been a white writing on black screen in silence before the music and credits rolled. Sure, a bit heavy but this was just tacky.
good video
it gets worse as ncuti behaves like a gay sterotype, crys all the time as well as runs away and chases after a guy leaving ruby in danger so he can have a snog with him. in his second episode they touch on immigration and abortion. Ive been watching who since the early 70s. Ive given up on the show along with my grandkids who loved matt smith as it no longer feels like dr who for me or them. good vid btw.
@@bobbobby438 there was no reason for the 15th doctor to think ruby was in danger. 10 did the exact same thing in season 2 the girl in the fireplace leaving rose and mickey in a ship full of dangerous clockwork robots.
@@Melono0000 The issue for me isn't him going off and leaving her its that pretty much every single time something needs to be done he stands there weeping while someone else saves the day. Space babies is technically not him as he was trying to kill the bogeyman while Ruby saves the day and it. Devils cord its Lenon and McCartney who defeat the enemy. Boom its Vater who stops the war. 73 yards is pretty much a nothing burger with no one saving the day. Dot and Bubble he manages to actually save a bunch of space racists who promptly go off into a swamp to presumably die as they have zero idea how to survive out there while he weeps and watches. Rogue its Rogue who saves the day while again the doctor weeps. The legend of Ruby Sunday is a set up episode and its part 2 empire of death he does technically save the day. However its off set by Davies feeling the need to insult the audience for thinking the season long build up of Ruby's mystery was just because the viewers thought she was special when she's really just an oridinary woman. Although this makes a lot of things in the season make no sense.
First off, love your video, largely agree! I hated Star Beast, kinda liked Wild Blue Yonder (felt more like Tennant's original run), and thought the Giggle was somewhere in-between, flawed but with some good spots. All the points you made were spot-on (I might disagree about giving the money away, but I don't remember if the show indicated she and her husband agreed on it, or she just made that decision without him, one of which I would find laudable and the other highly objectionable).
But one thing I thought I'd drop in (being that 'ak-tually!' nerd), is that the villain's cutesy design is actually from a 1980s 4th Doctor comic; in fact, this whole story is (except with Rose and Donna dropped into it, instead it was originally the 4th Doctor and an african-american woman companion from the comics (first in the franchise, as a trivia point, though obviously Martha was the first onscreen); and the character of Beep the Meep is kind of a fan favorite from comics and audio. (The whole point being the 'cute and cuddly looking furball who is actually a genocidal dictator'). In this respect, it's kind of like Star Wars bringing in Grand Admiral Thrawn from the books, a bit of a tip of the hat for the classic fans. So the overall story and 'marketable' design of the villain were baked in from the start, and it was kind of a cool thing to adapt an old fan favorite comic- including its Star Wars-y look and specific designs.
But then they had to pollute it with... well, all the stuff you pointed out. :-) Whereas a straight adaptation (uh, no pun included) of the source material wouldn't have included all the frustrating issues you bring up.
This entire video and its comment section is insane, and not the good kind
COPE! 😂
@GrassGrabber nah I'm good, I'm gonna keep enjoying Doctor Who and you can keep crying in your mom's basement
@GrassGrabber the only cope is coming from the people whose entire lives are filled with hate for anyone that's different from them.
@@NightShinerStudio
Kind of like the modern left?
@@GrassGrabber liking your own comment is crazy. Also, not even close, the modern left isn't the ones who are trying to push laws that make it impossible for certain people to exist
I personally outgrew doctor who at 13, was something I grew out of rather than stuck with. Large part of that was Matt Smith’s version of the character - Tennant was a bit goofy and childlike, but matt smith’s version was basically a child
Tennant era was the best in my opinion
@@CriticalDiverseFemale Glad to see it's something you've stuck with and enjoyed! For me, Eccleston is my all time favourite but tennant is definitely 2nd. They can try to bring back tennant for viewership but the butchered script filled with modern day californian nonsense won't get them far, and it hasn't
This was such a great piece. Well structured , thoughtful , totally honest, and nicely edited. You set the stall with the inro and laid it all out with a very well thought out narrative.
I agree with so so much. Yay, more props to Martha! And I have an almost biblical hate towards the sonic screwdriver / magic wand / plot convenience . Drives me nuts.
I felt the first revival RTD brought the love and enthusiasm he had since he was a kid. And in the second RTD revival, all he brought was the enthusiasm of a famous tv writer and a wodge of Disney cash. The love had gone.
The whole trilogy was the weakest thing they could've done. I'd rather they give Ncuti the chance to start as a fumbling mysterious doctor in a 3 episode arc allowing him to grow into his identity and the audience follow and grow with him. But RTD had him shoot out the cannon like a Ritalin-addled Mighty Mouse. It devalued Tennant, ruined Gatwa's chance of legitimacy, and destroyed the credibility of RTD (that last one I am not bothered about). It all had me agreeing with Ecclestone. Get rid of RTD and his producers and The Doctor could return again.
Ignore my waffle (sorry) , your video was top notch👌
Thanks glad you liked the video! Eccelstone is a genuine class act, wish he was The Doctor for longer.
I lost interest mid-way Capaldi's clara run, cause I loathed that Clara was so so so important to everything and everyone, it's just not the sort of story or companion dynamic I enjoy. But I recently went back to watch Season 10 and the Capaldi specials and they are amazing. Loved them. And Loved Capaldi. He's absolutely my favourite doctor now.
Haven't seen any of Jodie's episodes and never will. I did watch the Starbeast and some of the regeneration into the new doctor. But just couldn't get into it despite how much i loved Doctor-Donna. i really dislike being told to love how great women are or how great non-binary identity is by a story.
The look of the star beast isn't entirely fair. They're not that much different from their original design from the 80's, just a little less round and white instead of blue.
This is how The Roma Empire fell.
I'm glad about what you said at 3:17 - 3:29 about a trans character. I knew transsexuals, as they were known then, in the 80s and grew up watchin Dr Who in the 70s. I have no issue with them but the performance was just shocking. The character was just filler and seemed like a last minute addition that seemed to tick the boxes and just had bland dialogue.
Feel like you only focused on the bad episode the other 2 are better. The mid one is great & the last one is pretty good until round the end with the odd stuff of Bi-generation which is kinda odd but other than that its good. Also on the Wilf thing I think they said he was meant to have a larger role in the third episode but sadly passed away before they could finish filming all his scenes so we are left with the single scene at the end of episode 2 instead of him being in the 3rd episode not really like its the film makers fault he died. I do feel like the 1st episode became worse as it went on though the original story was far better.
#NotMyDoctor
I will always cherish tenants first run but absolutely ignore this garbage, unfortunately gatwa’s doctor is no better, maybe it’ll get better or maybe not but I’m out either way
I rewatched a load of doctor who end of last year/through this year as a result of the david tennant come back.
Well, it was a first time for eccleston as I grew up with the last season of Tennant and matt smith and Capaldi mostly. But I think Eccleston is probably the best doctor and that season 2 of Tennant (season 3), with Martha, is probably the best season (Martha is an amazing and underrated companion imo).
Ive not watched any of Jodie except for the first episode when it aired and I thought it was shit.
That being said, I think the new tennant and ncuti gatwa is mostly good and if they cut the preachy shit it would be great. The thing is, pre Whittaker had political undertones at times but never preached that hard. Now its so preachy its cringe. People dont mind politics in tv as long as its done well. When its rammed down your throat people turn off of it even if they agree with it (im pro lgbt and womens rights etc. and I still get turned off from preachy shit in tv)
This show has been so bad for 7 years now. Truly depressing.
Criminally low subscriber count on this channel.
I've been avoiding watching Doctor Who since midway through Peter Capaldi's episodes. I think I made the right choice, maybe should have stopped even sooner.
How would you know if you haven't watched it?
@@tschorsch People I know have told me their thoughts on it, and they tend to be generally negative. That's my experience anyway.
I stopped at the same time. But recently saw season 10 and Capaldi's specials. They were great. I enjoyed this very compassionate version of 12. They seemed like simple adventure stories.
Tbh peter capaldi is my favourite doctor but season 10 sucked and every season after is shit
The whole trans thing really irked me. And then the doctor asking an alien its pronouns. I checked out during jodies era but then watching the 60th anniversary really hurt my brain. David tennants era was my childhood as well as matt smith era. And then after that i grew up and moved on
Ah yes the concept that is of vital importance in a show about alien beings and time travel. "Hello alien what are your pronouns?" "Pro . . . nouns? I'm sorry I don't understand." "Do you want to be called a male or a female." ". . . can't you tell by looking at me?" "Yes you look male but do you identify as being male?" "Look I'm sure this is all very fascinating to your primitive species but if you could just point me to the nearest authority figure with combat forces I am being hunted right now." "But . . . but I don''t know whether to call you male or female!" "Enough NOM NOM NOM. Hopefully the next primitive meat bag will just answer my questions. I mean seriously male or female what was it trying to mate with me? Disgusting."
Critical diverse female😂 that told me straight away what i was getting from this video
Well said. I was stunned how offensive Star Beast was. Wild Blue Yonder wasn't terrible, but nevertheless a horrible experience, confirming Timeless Children as canon, making the Doctor a "b---er" (censored to avoid comment being deleted by Google) and changing Isaac Newton's race, while making him a horrible "s---y". What an insult to a great man!
Then the Giggle was horrible nonsense, pure fantasy. Just when I thought it couldn't get worse, we got Devil's Chord, absolutely vile, way into the realms of nonsensical fantasy, then on to increasingly worse episodes, including the horrible politics of Dot and Bubble, and of course giving the Doctor a g-- lover in Rogue.
Even putting aside horrible politics, the worst stuff was how bewilderingly nonsensical it all was, from 73 Yards to the two-part final where the Doctor is now a full wizard whose screwdriver can literally do anything, including changing a simple piece of glass into a tablet computer with a battery, a case, a screen, and the computer is intelligent and can show you videos from the future if it likes you. WHAT THE HELL!?
The only good episode was Boom. As much as Moffat's writing had become annoying and bland, the man CAN write. RTD has become a lunatic.
I think RTD making this the first episode of this brand new era in the way he did has led to many problems and negative interpretations. Dont get me wrong, I dont blame people for having doubts after seeing it with some wonky bit of dialogue and some strange pacing descisions, but if you are judging this whole era based on this episode, im sorry, but you are missing some amazing Who. We had banger episodes like Boom, 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble, Wild Blue Yonder, The Devils Chord, The Giggle that were some of the best Who in ages.
I think with The Star Beast, it was trying to bite off more than it could chew, making it a sequel to Journeys End, setting up a new era and being an exploration into what it means to be trans. For most of the episode, the exploration into trans difficulties was done really well, and dived into the name calling and slip ups in pronouns in a mature and accesible way and criticised the creuelty of predujice and transphobia. But it felt like that last line was designed in a way to annoy grifters on RUclips like Nerdrotic or Bowlstrek (which dont get me wrong, they deserve to be called out for their behaviour), but it did have the issue of alienating those who arent apart of that group aswell, which isnt fair. But I can take the rough with the smooth.
I feel like what RTD should have done is isntead of basing this on a comic, he should have just done an entirely original story. No Meep or Wrath Warriors, just explore 14s and Donnas relationship across the 3 episodes (and use The Toymaker as part of the story to tie it up) and spend a full episode exploring what it means to be trans, which would give more time and meaning to the story, and hopefully go into depth about the cruelty of transphobia and what being trans means and feels like, and really let Yasmin Finney be able to get time to perform.
I just wanna take time to let people know, that when this new era was releasing, we have seen a surge of reaction to all of Doctor Who on RUclips. Just from quick observations, weve had Syntell, Casual Nerd Reactions, funnylilgalreacts, emme reacts, Britany Binges, React and Ramble, Jules Reacts, UgoWatch and I think there were more, so this new era has definitely raised awareness of the show, and has brought amazing new people in. I would definitely recommend people watch UgoWatch, Syntell and classic reactors like The Blind Wave and The Reel Rejects for their reaction of this new era, as they have enjoyed it massively.
RTD has some polishing to do, and I think he has some work to do on scripts, narratives in an 8 episode format, but he is still telling good stories in Season 1, and execution aside, the themes he goes into, especially for being distributed on Disney, are very important, and I feels its important to hear the points raised.
(Also yeah, I agree with the sonic critcism. Even RTD stopped writing it to have all these features in the next episode)
Respectfully, if you're going to do a video essay at least do some research into the video you are trying to make so you don't make a fool of yourself. Allow me to elaborate:
1) The Doctor and Donna meeting up unexpectedly is a crucial plot point from the original run of RTD, a simple search or rewatching of an episode could have fixed that
2) The reaction to Rose is mostly due to the 10th Doctor's first companion Rose (who was mentioned a lot and had a romantic relationship with the Doctor tragically cut short). Since he's just unexpectedly bumped into Donna and hears the name 'Rose' he would 100% be taken aback.
3) Skinny suit joke, guess you're allergic to humour \_:|_/. Humour about the Doctor's clothing has been made in many different episodes and even in the Classic Series, I mean have you SEEN what the 6th Doctor wore? Even the actor said it was the stuff of nightmares. Would you argue that the many same jokes made about 10 in the original run were demeaning and not an attempt at humour like they clearly are?
4) I think you're making a lot of assumptions about the lottery winnings. It's made clear that she didn't do it for "bragging rights", you even mention that she does it to be more like the Doctor and when Donna finally comes back, the first thing she does is tell the Doctor this and is pretty annoyed to say the least (bit of a cop-out I know but it kind of makes sense). We also don't know whether her husband was that against it (though he might have been like I said we don't know). Besides it's not like she gave it all away. It should also be noted that some people who win the lottery sometimes find it too stressful and don't know what to do with that amount of money but I guess I'm making assumptions too \_:)_/
5) The Meep was created in a Doctor Who comic strip from 1980 and actually looked cuter and arguably more 'Disneyfied' than now. Some research and a peek at the credits could have sorted this, with it being clearly stated that it was adapted from said Doctor Who comic and therefore, not a Disney creation.
6) While Disney is providing a larger budget, it is just that, a bigger budget. The creative control is firmly in the hands of the BBC and RTD and certainly not Disney.
I should also clarify that I'm not writing this because I think it was "The bestest Doctor Who in all of histowy and if anyone says otherwise they are doo-doo heads", I don't. It was pretty average at best but honestly, you don't really seem to be taking the main problems into account like the plot holes and the anti-climactic / simple way that the Doctor-Donna was restored having been hyped up so much throughout the episode. Most of these arguments could have been fixed with the smallest ounce of research into why these decisions might have been made rather than a general "Disney bad" mentality which, at least to me, sounds rather...
uncritical
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Dude you have too much free time.
To me, Doctor Who died after Capaldi left. It just became pathetic parody and joke of what it used to be.
I 100 percent agree with you on that
It is not a "she" it is a "he"
Key to time? bah the universal power of Bad Writing
Wow... The show looks awfull.
Disney is the king of killing franchises. It’s a shame dr who has gotten bad in recent years
No one's going to pick you.
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@@y0ngus You have the mental capacity of a tangerine.
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Eh, as long as you don't go on a TERF arc, fine. I appreciate your respect for trans people, but sheesh.... if wanting a better world is an agenda, I'll accept all the shit that preaches about one, even if it's hamfisted and clumsy as this was. I might prefer more nuanced stuff, but I'm not the one with the money or reigns. The oafsome Russel is still better than someone who would agree with say... JKR and company, even if it's cringe.
So much wrong with this L take
@@Jimboymebob Care to elaborate? Fully, not merely "more" words than you have already stated. I want to understand your position and perspective.
@WillBillbert First off, trans women are women. Secondly, source on that? Thirdly, I don't get your obsession, it's creepy and pervy.
@@VelaiciaCreator I can't speak for the OP, but I suspect that it is a fundamental disagreement on whether the ideas presented here represent a better world, whether advocating for a better world justifies sloppiness in execution (or whether that just harms the message- having just recently finished working my way through the early seasons of Star Trek: Discovery and the 2016 Ms. Marvel comics, I would argue that an idea presented hamfistedly can actually alienate the audience it is meant to reach and do a disservice to the cause it is meant to promote), and a general disagreement on whether someone with 'TERF' beliefs, like JKR, is actually wrong, or whether they are the ones with an accurate grasp of reality of RTD and the like are the ones advocating a harmful falsehood.
Now, whether one, two, or all three of these ideas are what the OP had in mind, I cannot say. But that would be my supposition (being a veteran of many such online discussions).
@@andrewgilbertson5672 While your run-on sentence was a bit hard to parse, I think I get what you're saying. It's the same thing from 2016, where those objectively correct people who were just a little cringe ended up shat on across the internet. Hell, it resulted in the same copy-pasted still frames that are used to this day. One such example, the "triggered" girl... wasn't even triggered. She was just expressive.
Ultimately though, I have to firmly state that positive representation, hamfisted or not will be better every time than false and stigmatizing representation, such as Benedict Cumberbatch's role in Zoolander 2. Because one is forgettable embarrassment(unless you're strange in the head), the other reinforces negative beliefs(otherwise known as bigotry). Sure it would be nice to have carefully prepared rep, but pos rep is pos rep.