My son had brain cancer at age 7. When we were going through that nightmare Lance was my hero and inspiration. I watched him winning a tour while my boy was learning to walk and talk again. Lance's betrayal is personal. It is sickening what he did to Greg, the beautiful sport and all the people who looked to him for inspiration and hope.
I was a race commissaire (official) at the Hamilton Ontario Cycling World Road Championships and was privy to the cyclist's list of their hematocrit blood levels. The legal maximum level allowed was 50 for males and an average male is around 35. The majority of riders on the list I saw were 49.7 to 49.9 levels telling me that they were monitored, tweaked and controlled by doctors and therefore OBVIOUSLY cheating.
crazy. this shit is so annoying, because road cycling is fundamentally such an exciting spectator sport but because of the cheating culture no one wants to watch. and the lower tier racers cheat too. it’s all so stupid and so detrimental for the sport.
@@johnnysecular The reason it seems like other sports have less doping is probably because there’s less testing. Cycling has much stricter testing than any other sport out there. By this logic nobody should watch any sports, except perhaps chess
Greg Lemond was a freak of nature. Only 4 YEARS after getting on a bike as a Jr....he was riding for the top team in the sport. He easily could have been the greatest TDF rider ever. He could have won in 85 if he had not been such a nice guy. Then there was the tragic hunting accident that took years off his career, and cost him two years of competition. A true gentlemen who was shafted and maligned by the LA cheerleaders.
ripedecomp I guess you did'nt read the book "Slaying the Badger". That's what it said . Roche was a good distance up the mountain from LeMond . Lemond told the coach that he wanted to pull away from Hinualt and Co. The coach said "Okay" -"but only if you are sure you can catch Roche". Lemond said that the coaches request was unreasonable -that it would be hard for any professional to guarantee that.
Greg's VO Max was 94 the highest ever tested at The Olympic Training center in Colorado Springs when he was a teenager.. I watched Greg at age 15-16 beating the best bike racers USA had in Nor Cal races. I knew from then he had a natural athletic talent that could win the Tour de France.
Having had my lower back fused and an Artificial Disc Implanted a few years ago.. I feel for Greg, he looks 'very' uncomfortable sitting there! I watched Greg win his 1st Tour as a 15 year old... A great champion, and great human being.
Greg LeMond, you will NEVER be forgotten for your great talent!!! To the panel, The LeMond's and Betsy, personally, I deeply appreciate the diligence in your campaign for truth: THANK YOU! You have not suffered in vain.
Question............. Where are ALL the righteous yellow wristband Armstrongtrons who so viciously, relentlessly attacked Lemond time and again ad nauseam and so hurt him.......? Just askin. Please righteous Armstrong apologist disciples, where are you? Why are you SO conspicuously silent? Just askin'. By the way, no doubt the overwhelming majority voted for "The One", not just once, but twice......... What say you now.........? Just askin.
If you think Lemond was clean you are nuts. Doping was going on since the days of Coppi and research Lemond and his "Fe (Iron) shot" and how he had a miraculous comeback afterwards. There is NO WAY he could have competed like he did clean when every other contender was doping. He is a bitter man who wants to be the only American to ever win the TDF, he makes me sick to listen to, total fraud.
Interesting how they talk about the "incredibly coercive environment" with respect to the team doctors. It seems that's what doctors really are. Coercive enablers of drug consumption. Forget elite athletics. Look what happens in standard medicine and especially psychiatric medicine. It appears western medical doctors, if they're not doing surgery, they're pushing drugs. They are the lackeys of the pharmaceutical companies and it's all about money. Legal drugs just might be bigger money than illegal drugs. The gross income of pharmaceuticals worldwide is likely to be over a trillion dollars.
Cynical addendum. We've all seen the ads on TV for low testosterone. Just how long will it be before pharmaceutical companies are targeting consumers who are feeling low in energy to "ask your doctor if EPO is right for you." I can imagine Big Pharma marketing EPO to regular people as a pick-me-up for "those on the go" that don't have time to exercise and need a little extra boost. Yep, "ask your doctor if EPO is right for you." Lol.
PaintrainX Eh? "Actually "normal" people, who don't train regularly, don't benefit from EPO at all. It will only harm their health." I suppose it is potentially harmful to healthy people who don't train. But why would people waste money putting it in if they weren't looking for performance enhancement? You do realize it was originally developed to help sick people, cancer patients, whose red blood cell levels are compromised by treatments? I"m sure it's still used as such. But I'm not sure why a "healthy" person would bother to put it into their system if they weren't training for some sort of serious endurance competition or elite middle distance running competition? It has to be expensive, for one thing. That was a strange comment.
PaintrainX Ah, I get it now. You missed the sarcasm? I wasn't serious about pharmaceutical companies actually marketing EPO to regular people for extra energy. It was a sarcastic, cynical comment on the sort of things that do happen though. Hormone replacement therapies for example. Estrogen has now proven to be controversial and undesirable for menopausal women. But that hasn't stopped them from marketing testosterone to men. And I notice that there are already ambulance chaser ads for people who may have experienced health impacts from taking testosterone. What a world eh? There's nothing quite like American style capitalism.
Or perhaps his miraculous late stage cancer being fully cured & winning the TDF within two years. Protecting the medical staff in my opinion. There's a much larger story here.
Everybody in europe knew that Lance was on the juice after the festina scandal in 1998. There was no proof, so he was the official winner. But when europeans looked at lance riding up the mountains so easy and the average speeds of the tour. We all knew back then
@@Chrishagen Nobody else engaged in lawsuits and character assassination against those who told the truth. Lance is a piece of shit, utterly shameless.
@@unpleasanthorizons7438 he admits that he behaved aggressively towards those people, but he also sued those who attacked him. If you think Lemond won his tour clean at a time when everybody WAS doping, then you are delusional. Look at the footage of his final 89 time trial - he destroyed confirmed dopers and didn’t even break a sweat at the end. That performance is simply impossible clean - it is still the 4th fastest TT EVER on ridiculously obsolete hardware. Faster than Lance ever went in a TT, incidentally. A mutant performance that an admitted doper could not get within a minute of. Lemond was and is a total hypocrite to keep up that line of attack against Armstrong. His bike sub-brand of Trek was losing out to Lance’s… simple as that, so he went on the offensive. David Walsh and Jeff Novitsky have both made careers and fortunes out of destroying Lance Armstrong. Novitsky is now cashing in as SVP of the UFC where doping is RAMPANT, so let’s cut the hypocritical bulls!t. Yes, Lance wes a assh0le, but he raced other riders who were all on the same sh!t and his results should stand, as theirs do. The trouble is that Americans are so black and white and moralistic about these things. Its a holdover from the first settlers’ Calvinism and Puritanical attitudes. In Europe, people are much more relaxed about former dopers, which is why many of Lance’s former peloton mates are still in the sport as team owners and DS’s today. It’s total bullsh!t.
Pro cycling was not, is not and we'll not be ever clean because is pro. All of you are nothing more than pathetic bunch of hypocrites. Without Lance no one, i said no one would ever look at you.
Because when Bjarne Riis won and later admitted to using EPO and ultimately whether one was in on cycling, or just a passive fan, it was common knowledge that virtually every professional cycling team in that era utilized some version of a doping program (whether testosterone, iron, B12, EPO, taking out one’s blood, spinning it and freezing and re-injecting at a later date, maldonium, etc., etc., - the Festina “scandal” merely moved the focus away from team directors and team employed doctors and transferred that outside assistance to withstand and perform in a grand stage, to the riders, who if and when caught, had to sign a document, accepting personal responsibility, in essence allowing the team to declare them as a rogue rider. I believe Lance was a narcissist who worked feverishly hard to maintain his innocence, and went about taking down all accusers in such a harsh way, but probably saved many (hundreds) of riders their salaries and livelihood along with their teams, not to mention that he did a fantastic job raising money for cancer research. Tip of the iceberg is what was “discovered” when Lance was brought down and then then UCI could get back to promoting its sport without a rogue rider like that lol. So glad “everyone in Europe” knew the deal so much that a very high percentage of winners even since Lance was found out, have gone on to test positive for some banned substance. I hate to think that the team or country with the best doctors has the edge but what else are we to believe. Norwegian riders from Bergen are currently dominating Triathlon due to special training and testing protocol to levels not seen before but alas, the Danes are back with both a TDF winner and Challenge Roth winner - I am really hoping it is excellent training protocol (sincerely) as this would be so good for these two wonderful sports! When Lance was 12 years old and was holding his own and getting on the podium in short course triathlon races, he wasn’t cheating but that doesn’t seem to be part of the story of his incredible athleticism anymore and that to me is sad.
Lemond was legit and you have to praise him for that and his behavior in light of all the negative treatment he received from Lance. Same goes for Betsy, she has been right and stuck to her convictions.
Everyone riding knows it but keeps their mouth shut…..if everyone became clean the TDF would have to address it on the course expectations before the race. Are these drugs created for the Govt.? Super Soldiers? Which Govt? None of the pro women look like Russians with mustaches
Where was this journalist before the storm broke... did he ever come out and back David Walsh or The Sunday Times, NO, did he support any anti doping articles in the international press? No... waste of a seat!
Watched Stop At Nothing:The Lance Armstrong documentary. Felt sorry for Lemond as he was unfairly treated by the media and the cycling world when he suggested Armstrong was doping.
fair play to Betsy Andeu, Kathy and Greg Le Mond, enduring efforts and integrity in keeping an unclean sport clean. Good praise to Frankie Andreu and Tyler for seeing the errors and brave enough to speak out. It would be remiss not to mention my fellow country men and women i.e. Paul Kimmage, David Walsh and Emma O'RReill.
Sean McGurk We can only take Lemonds word when he says he rode clean as there was no testing then. It’s therefore easy for him to say he was clean and there are no samples we can retrospectively test either. Theres always been doping in cycling and to have won the tdf 3 times without taking anything is hard to believe to be honest. 3 weeks, over 2.2k miles clean?
@@1972dsrai We can only take his word for it, but there is circumstantial evidence in the way his career went. Also, to an extent, for the bulk of his career there wasn't really anything that could make a doper dominant in tour cycling. Anabolic steroids could help track sprinters, but it was only with the introduction of EPO and blood transfusions in the late 80's and early 90's that doping could make an average rider better than anyone relying on natural talent. Much of Lemond's formative years as a pro came at a time when taking a moral stand on doping didn't mean you couldn't compete. I can believe that with his level of success it was much easier for him to stick by that morality when the sport changed. You could really see the impact in both how quickly Lemond dropped out of competitiveness. If he was doping, he would have to have been doing it very badly. Even the winners used to crack a couple of times in the course of the Tour. Come the 90's, most of the top 10 were getting through the 3-weeks without cracking once. Sure, there were off days, and a few minutes lost, but nothing like the issues riders had gone through routinely just a decade before.
MattH Thanks for your comments. I know it’s hard to prove a negative which this is in a sense. I just think the guy has gone in hard against Armstrong. I appreciate that Armstrong was no saint and probably started a lot of the animosity that now exists, but he has lost a lot and he has ultimately been made a scapegoat for all the cheaters who still have their victories registered.
@Leo D'Arcy I’m just highlighting the huge gulf in testing and monitoring between the era’s. For me Armstrong was still the best, considering virtually every other rider was doping and its unfair that he was stripped of all his shirts. As for LeMond, all we can really do is take his word for it as theres nothing else available.
@Leo D'Arcy I accept everything you say, but Lance also trained harder than everyone else. Did you know he has an abnormally large heart for example? (Pre-drug taking). Im genuinely of the belief it was a level playing field as everyone was doping. He was just better at it and at maximising his output.
I worked for a continental pro team from 2014-16 AND I’m friends with Betsy. And I wrote a book about the team. The Conti Pro level is where you find up and coming talent, both naturally gifted talent and desperately-trying-anything talent. So I was looking very closely for any sign of doping going on. And I was ready to expose it without hesitation. I just didn’t see it. I tried to find it, but couldn’t. Not on our team, and not on any of the others that we raced against. There were riders on other teams that I’d wonder about, but their results just didn’t jump out enough to signal doping. But the Conti level is also VERY low-budget. I’m certain that the WT level where corporate money is found is also more likely to see doping. And if not doping, then legal performance enhancing right up to the limits. Whatever they can get away with. I’m certain of it,
Thank god I have stumbled on a video and comments that appreciate 1 of the real heroes of cycling, and recognise the damage done by the cheating fucker Armstrong, Here's to you Greg Lemond, an athlete and a gentleman.
What about these doctors and team managers...everyone knows Armstrong and co were cheaters, but the organizers get a pass? Finally, a discussion that goes beyond the athletes and points to the systemic nature of the problem.
Yes I think they were actually more to blame than lance there will always be athletes that want to cheat but the people who enable them are the worst ones
I'm not a Lance loyalist and I met Frankie... nice guy. I believe that Lance strongly encouraged Frankie to dope but he didn't kick him off the team for saying no. Remember, Frankie raced on Lance's team in 2000 clean, so it clearly wasn't a "do it or you are done," situation. At age 35, his racing career was over but don't forget Lance employed him 2 more years as the assistant director of the team. Doesn't sound like a situation causing emotional and/or financial problems. Wrong?? No...
@@adventuresona700dollarhard5 I think on that point, you are right. And it wouldn't have been such a big deal had his wife decided NOT to make this her chance at the spotlight by talking to any media outlet that would shove a mic or camera in front of her. She (not her husband) was the voice of how Lance was evil. I was shocked to never see a media person simply ask her "umm why are you (the wife) out here so much yet your husband won't?" Is it possible that in 2000, he didn't dope? Yes... BUT his wife not once was called out for her BS. If Lance "ruined frankies career" why did he give him a 2 year job as team director?? Why did Frankie take it if he thought Lance was trying to ruin him?? And... she maintains that Lance "forced Frankie to dope" yet admits he was clean in 2000 and was on the 9 man roster. How does she square that??
The tragedy of the sport is not what riders did to the sport but what the ruling body did to the destruction of riders dreams. The riders either didn’t take drugs and amounted to nothing or took drugs, got taught and had their life destroyed. As for the ruling body their life continues.
Lance Armstrong is/was a sociopath. He didn't care about anybody & doesn't care about anybody today. How people give that piece of the time of day is beyond me. On another note, that necklace that Kathy is wearing is gorgeous.
Lemond - "I had to drop out of the tour on the 6th stage it was so hard now" Betsy - "Frankie competed in the 2000 TDF totally clean". Frankie also worked for another 2 years with USPS as assistant director. Frankie place 8th overall in Paris Nice 2000. Dario Frigo was 9th place.... Frankie was a bad Frankie in the 2000 TDF for sure. ;)
LOL, yeah, I thought the same. Same goes for Dave Zabriskie. He cried that they forced him to use doping. Yet he went to CSC and other teams where he continued doping. I don't believe Greg Lemond was clean either. There's not a single champion in cycling who has been clean. Lemond may not have used EPO, but he for sure used lots of other stuff which was popular in his days.
PaintrainX First Greg was clean from start to stop. He was a rider who even Europeans knew of when he was in his early 20s. The world of cycling knew Lemond was great. He grew up in the Mountains where as Lance grew up in the plains of Texas. So his blood oxygen levels were higher cause he rode in high elevation as a kid. Lance again straight aways of the backroads of Texas.
All I can say about Betsy Abreau is that she is one hot ticket and, although I think she is attractive, this is NOT in any way, shape, or form what I am referring to. I mean this because of how she comes across as a no-nonsense straight-to-the-point person, just the type of person that was needed to break the Lance Armstrong and cycling doping scandal. Way to go Betsy!
She is just a vindictive, ball breaker who has always had Frankie under her thumb. To use what Armstrong said in confidence to his doctors when he is going through major cancer treatment was unfair. I do think however that Armstrong should have admitted to saying it when asked later on, but claim it was in jest and Betsy just didn’t realise he was joking.
@@damnyankeefl That was due to guys taking EPO without following expert advise re doses. Armstrong has Ferrari who, whatever you think of him, knew what he was doing. Armstrong never took huge doses, rather he was micro dosing.
Remove doping tests fro the UCI. Ban cyclist from the sport the 1st time if they get caught for epo A full review of corruption within the UCI needs to be carried out.
I saw the Australian TV report on Lance years ago. Betsy saw Frankie leading a race once and said to him, "For God's sake, you're a worker bee not a star. Get off the juice or we're done." Great advice.
Trek really screwed over Lemond when they discontinued his line of bikes on Lance's word. Would have a very hard time buying or recommending a Trek these days.
It took me reading "The Secret Race" and "Wheelmen" to finally be done with Lance. I had always been of the opinion that "our doper beat their dopers" so I still considered him the TdF champ but his scorched earth destruction of anyone who (as it turns out) told the truth gave me pause. I now realize that I was wrong in continuing to see him as a champion but my suspicions of his sociopathy were absolutely confirmed.
I was married with a guy with Narcissist Personality Disorder and he did to me the things that Amstrong did to his friends. He tried to destroy my life inside the courts and outside. They are dangerous because they walk the line of destruction and they can become something worse. They are compulsive lairs and they create their own reality. They know they have nothing inside, that’s why the love of power and money. I read Amstrong dad tried to contact him but he died. In my opinion his mother was also a narcissist that keep him separated from his dad.
It's difficult to see what the point of any of this was. Bjarne Riis won the TDF in '96 and he was known as Mr 60 due to his high hematocrit levels, Jan Ulrich won in '97 and he was busted at the end of his career, Pantani won in '98 and was kicked out of the following Giro for unsafe levels most likely due to EPO, Lance won '99 to '05 and we all know what happened to him, Floyd Landis won in '06 and was busted as soon as the tour ended, Contafor lost his 2010 tour win due to doping. Everyone was on the hot sauce and t was merely expedient to take down someone high profile, so Lance got that honour.
Also she pointed out that it was Bruyneel who spread rumors about Frankie noy being a team player to potential teams that he wanted to a job with most likely not as a rider but as a directeur sportif, etc.
An old cyclist here who has followed European cycle racing since 1973!!. There was widespread informed references of doping in the 50's, 60's, 70's. Seems to have magically missed the LeMond period and recommenced once he retired. Amazing. The history of European cycling is riddled with PED's and stimulants of some sort. The riders in the earliest TDF were reportedly on a high cocaine diet to get through it. Its just the drug that changes not the culture.
This is regurgitating the same old justifications which Lance seeded into minds through his books. Some cyclists may have used some drugs in the old days, but, with all due respect, no cyclists in their right mind would think cocaine enhances performance in a race like the Tour with 100+ mile stages...since cocaine diminishes actual strength and endurance. These sort of drugs may keep athletes on the bike, but the era of true science based PERFORMANCE ENHANCING doping, started in the 90's. Sure there were individuals using steroids or whatever on their own dime in secret, but their efforts were limited in expertise. Lance was the first one to organize science-based doping using huge amounts of sponsorship money to pay for the best doping regime money could buy. The Lemond era was the last era before EPO and other blood doping techniques exploded. Lemond was a truly gifted rider.
The USADA guy talks about how there’s no incentive for the riders to clean up the sport. My friend Levi served his time and was done. I never understood that. He told me his strava times were as strong as ever. Yet he couldn’t get a job. I just never could understand why no one would want a guy with his record in his shape.
Don’t tell me the sprinters in todays 2021 tour have never taken any enhancement drugs, their leg muscles are just not possible without some form of drug enhancement. I do believe the GC race is cleaner but as to having never taken any drug during their lifetime i very much doubt it.
LEMOND was always criticized for taking time off and only concentrating on major events...why?...He was not doping...he was producing natural results...an entire cycling season wears down the natural human body..the sooner we get back to natural results...the better for the sport...
The only distortion of the Lance story is leaving out that everyone else who was racing during the years of his 7 year winning streak was also doping (if they had any results). Lance didn't create it, and started doping with his teammates because Americans were doing so much worse than the Europeans and figured why in the early 90s. And the big deception is thinking it's not happening now.
@@tman5634 Proof of which? I made several statements you could be referring to. They're still doping today? Or every close competitor of Lance was doping. The latter is known because they were all publicly busted and disciplined for doping. There are a few training rides for competitive cyclists in the US. There are 2 main ones in Southern Cali. Mostly ridden by competitive amateurs and local pros, which all international pros started as. And also visited by international pros and pro teams when they're in town. And retired coaches. So yes, I ride in those and have known many future pros (including USPS team members) when they were starting in their teens and even after going to Europe when they'd come home to visit. People talk. You learn a lot.
You're confusing it with the Iron Cross, used by the Germany military for many decades, well back into the mid-1800s. It's still used in the contemporary German military, which is certainly not Nazi. The Iron Cross design was based on an extremely similar design worn by the Order of the Teutonic Knights during the Middle Ages. And also similar to the Maltese Cross, worn by the Order of the Knights Hospitaler. The cross used by the Nazis was actually a swastika, which itself was an ancient Indian religious symbol going back millennia. The German Nazis appropriated for their own use and it became associated with racism and anti-Semitism.
This is just a morality tale, business wants success and as a rider your a product. The public likes to think professional sports is won on water and weeties. If the business supporting the teams were behind clean sport the sport will be cleaned up
I don't think lance should have got a lifetime ban, did anyone else get such a long ban. Other people got caught for doping and none got treated so harshly
Greg Lemond, Chris Boardman, Christophe Bassons. Three riders who were clean definitely. Undoubtedly there were others in the peloton, but not many. Boardman's health was ruined by trying to compete naturally against the dopers and he had to retire and go on HRT to repair his damaged system.
?? Had to go on HRT to repair his system? The only way you need HRT is because you did TOO MUCH STEROIDS and it shuts down your natural hormone system.
as a regular tdf visitor since the 90's i must say that wit lance , all the americans are gone . i remember shouting dirty doper to armstrong in his face when he passed me on the col du forclaz in 2004 and he turned around on his bike and looked at me evil , then american tourists started yelling at me haha , good to see hes gone and hes broke , strange that all these fans are also gone , i thought they were real fans
i'm ex pro cyclist before that time in lemonds time and g gheeter in gastown van BC racing for wheaties schwinn team 87 was on juice and they didn't even test . the problem is the system and uci
I believe Greg is in chest support because of a car accident he was in. Back support. It's strange that Betsy is in between Greg and his wife Kathy on stage here. UPDATE: yep 24:20 in the video.
I raced once against Greg LeMond in (I think) 1978. He was formidable. A really nice guy who was incredibly gifted on a bicycle. His abilities came from his training. I would never use performance enhancing drugs, not so people I used to race with. They always had these extraordinary veins on their legs, but I was able to do anything on a bicycle better. At the time I was mystified, but one has an enlarged heart the other died of cancer. Karma comes back?
I have a degree in Biochemistry. I am qualified to speak about this subject. A person's body is the way it is because of natural selection. Your blood carries as much oxygen as it can for the reason that people whose blood was more oxygenated died before they could pass that trait on. Likewise your body has certain amount of testosterone because people with higher levels did not survive. People that mess with either tend to die of heart attacks.
this story of cover up and corruption is fascinating because it gives you an insight into how much whistle blowing has to happen for anything to be exposed. This is just one story that took ages to be uncovered. Imagine how many others there are The other exposure I think of is the Murdoch phone hacking story and how much incredible investigative.work it took to uncover that corruption. The Media plays an enormous role is this coverup and protection of the powerful. . Maybe after Murdoch dies things may change but maybe Lachlan won't change a thing?
Good to see a fellow clean athlete. Now I need to ask, is Greg the only clean winner ever? And if so, WTF he is made of that the others have to juice up just to lose to him. Oh .... I know its called talent.
Is Lemond a clean winner? It’s entirely possible he was doping and just didn’t get caught. When did effective tests for EPO become available? IMO it just was not possible to compete in the TdF at the highest levels in those days without doping.
@@bryanrodriguez3925 Sorry, I used to see it all of the time playing college FB. We had a center that doped and he used to get dog walked on the field. We also had a running back and a safety that doped and couldn't play. Talent can beat dope. Now if they are in the same talent pool then dope can give an edge. But Lemond never got caught and trust me they were testing him too.
Quick who can answer TDF history: Who was the highest placed clean rider in 1999? Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2000? Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2001? Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2002? Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2003? Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2004? Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2005? Shame on you Lance! Look at the incredible task you've made for the historians. They'll have to spend decades trying to figure out who was actually clean while you were cheating. sarcasm/off Incredibly not a single rider who finished in the top 10 has come forward demanding that they be crowned the winner since the stripping Lance's 7 wins. Hmmm.....
Under UCI rules, by default, the rider who finished second place behind Lance in every one of those Tours is the winner. It doesn't have to be "awarded."
Drugs are a mandatory requirement in cycling because sponsors require it. A world class rider without it would just be a middle ranked pro. They all dope, besides how is transfusion of your own blood even really cheating, it's a vampire move but totally natural.
would love to see a full random test of the NFL NBA Soccer NHL nobody talk about drugs there.. Baceball had their time but nobody care about what they do anymore..
Big Mig started out finishing the tour way down like 90th, 65th, 48th, 20th.... This is not how most of the repeat tour winners placed. Usually they were top 3 first time.
My son had brain cancer at age 7. When we were going through that nightmare Lance was my hero and inspiration. I watched him winning a tour while my boy was learning to walk and talk again.
Lance's betrayal is personal.
It is sickening what he did to Greg, the beautiful sport and all the people who looked to him for inspiration and hope.
He did worts to other ppl. Don't investigate if you don't want to end hating that trash
I was a race commissaire (official) at the Hamilton Ontario Cycling World Road Championships and was privy to the cyclist's list of their hematocrit blood levels. The legal maximum level allowed was 50 for males and an average male is around 35. The majority of riders on the list I saw were 49.7 to 49.9 levels telling me that they were monitored, tweaked and controlled by doctors and therefore OBVIOUSLY cheating.
@Leo D'Arcy yet none of the numbers were above 50, which was the fail limit... Just a coincidence, surely.
@Leo D'Arcy it’s called sarcasm
@Leo D'Arcy burn 🔥
crazy. this shit is so annoying, because road cycling is fundamentally such an exciting spectator sport but because of the cheating culture no one wants to watch. and the lower tier racers cheat too. it’s all so stupid and so detrimental for the sport.
@@johnnysecular The reason it seems like other sports have less doping is probably because there’s less testing. Cycling has much stricter testing than any other sport out there. By this logic nobody should watch any sports, except perhaps chess
Greg Lemond was a freak of nature. Only 4 YEARS after getting on a bike as a Jr....he was riding for the top team in the sport. He easily could have been the greatest TDF rider ever. He could have won in 85 if he had not been such a nice guy. Then there was the tragic hunting accident that took years off his career, and cost him two years of competition. A true gentlemen who was shafted and maligned by the LA cheerleaders.
He lost in 85 because the coach told him he could only break away if he was absolutely sure that he could catch Stephen Roche.
***** Catch !?! Greg was and would have be all over Him .
That coach was under hinault and tapie 's dictatorship/subordination.
ripedecomp I guess you did'nt read the book "Slaying the Badger". That's what it said . Roche was a good distance up the mountain from LeMond . Lemond told the coach that he wanted to pull away from Hinualt and Co. The coach said "Okay" -"but only if you are sure you can catch Roche". Lemond said that the coaches request was unreasonable -that it would be hard for any professional to guarantee that.
He could have won 10 times TdF if the majority of these juiced up fuckheads weren't doped through the eighties...
I met Lemond in person and he talked to me for 20 plus minutes. Great experience. That being said he comes off like a baby in the mass media.
Greg's VO Max was 94 the highest ever tested at The Olympic Training center in Colorado Springs when he was a teenager.. I watched Greg at age 15-16 beating the best bike racers USA had in Nor Cal races. I knew from then he had a natural athletic talent that could win the Tour de France.
Having had my lower back fused and an Artificial Disc Implanted a few years ago.. I feel for Greg, he looks 'very' uncomfortable sitting there!
I watched Greg win his 1st Tour as a 15 year old... A great champion, and great human being.
LOL....a 15 year old? Greg was born in 1961. His first tour win was 1986. He was 25.
No...I WAS 15 when i had my back Op!
Thomas Williams Hahahaha... Have some common sense for God's sake
He got it blowing Frankie slipped on his load it was ugly Betsy was in the background screaming “But Frankie’s clean” what a shit show
Greg LeMond, you will NEVER be forgotten for your great talent!!! To the panel, The LeMond's and Betsy, personally, I deeply appreciate the diligence in your campaign for truth: THANK YOU! You have not suffered in vain.
Greg leMond was never caught. He beat Laurent Fignon with alomost a minute on a time trial, after his accident. Explain that? Now he is a hero.
@@dybnow Highest VO2Max = massive watt output in a time trial. Much greater capacity than Fignon.
@@dybnow LeMond was a better cyclist, next stupid question.
Question............. Where are ALL the righteous yellow wristband Armstrongtrons who so viciously, relentlessly attacked Lemond time and again ad nauseam and so hurt him.......? Just askin.
Please righteous Armstrong apologist disciples, where are you? Why are you SO conspicuously silent? Just askin'. By the way, no doubt the overwhelming majority voted for "The One", not just once, but twice......... What say you now.........? Just askin.
death2pc you seem very angry
If you think Lemond was clean you are nuts. Doping was going on since the days of Coppi and research Lemond and his "Fe (Iron) shot" and how he had a miraculous comeback afterwards. There is NO WAY he could have competed like he did clean when every other contender was doping. He is a bitter man who wants to be the only American to ever win the TDF, he makes me sick to listen to, total fraud.
Answer...............
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Silence.....
Shred Father said shred father
The addiction isnt the drug, its the success that the drug provides. Salute to the panel for going to Austin and facing the public
Many riders are addicts and you are one of the first I've seen say it.
It's the rush of posing like a winner, ....that is not success.
I think Betsey wears the pants in the family, she doesn't take any shit from no one I respect that. she is beautiful.
I agree. She has a really nice body too. Definately a hottie.
I can see Greg wearng pants in this video and she is in a dress.
Reed Albergotti's book Wheelmen, is well worth a read. Helps you to understand how all the moving parts were inter related.
Interesting how they talk about the "incredibly coercive environment" with respect to the team doctors. It seems that's what doctors really are. Coercive enablers of drug consumption. Forget elite athletics. Look what happens in standard medicine and especially psychiatric medicine. It appears western medical doctors, if they're not doing surgery, they're pushing drugs. They are the lackeys of the pharmaceutical companies and it's all about money. Legal drugs just might be bigger money than illegal drugs. The gross income of pharmaceuticals worldwide is likely to be over a trillion dollars.
Cynical addendum. We've all seen the ads on TV for low testosterone. Just how long will it be before pharmaceutical companies are targeting consumers who are feeling low in energy to "ask your doctor if EPO is right for you." I can imagine Big Pharma marketing EPO to regular people as a pick-me-up for "those on the go" that don't have time to exercise and need a little extra boost. Yep, "ask your doctor if EPO is right for you." Lol.
"over a trillion dollars"? You forgot the factor and the times sign.
joe schmo
Actually "normal" people, who don't train regularly, don't benefit from EPO at all. It will only harm their health.
PaintrainX
Eh? "Actually "normal" people, who don't train regularly, don't benefit from EPO at all. It will only harm their health." I suppose it is potentially harmful to healthy people who don't train. But why would people waste money putting it in if they weren't looking for performance enhancement? You do realize it was originally developed to help sick people, cancer patients, whose red blood cell levels are compromised by treatments? I"m sure it's still used as such.
But I'm not sure why a "healthy" person would bother to put it into their system if they weren't training for some sort of serious endurance competition or elite middle distance running competition? It has to be expensive, for one thing.
That was a strange comment.
PaintrainX
Ah, I get it now. You missed the sarcasm? I wasn't serious about pharmaceutical companies actually marketing EPO to regular people for extra energy. It was a sarcastic, cynical comment on the sort of things that do happen though. Hormone replacement therapies for example. Estrogen has now proven to be controversial and undesirable for menopausal women. But that hasn't stopped them from marketing testosterone to men. And I notice that there are already ambulance chaser ads for people who may have experienced health impacts from taking testosterone. What a world eh? There's nothing quite like American style capitalism.
To Betsy and the Lemonds: The reason Lance didn't admit the hospital scene is his world title in 1993.
Or perhaps his miraculous late stage cancer being fully cured & winning the TDF within two years. Protecting the medical staff in my opinion. There's a much larger story here.
the longest intro of a talk EVER!!!!
Odd seating arrangement. Also, way too much preamble. 13 minutes of intro. 13:00
Everybody in europe knew that Lance was on the juice after the festina scandal in 1998. There was no proof, so he was the official winner. But when europeans looked at lance riding up the mountains so easy and the average speeds of the tour. We all knew back then
We also knew they were all doping. It’s total BS hypocrisy that Armstrong has been singled out.
@@Chrishagen Nobody else engaged in lawsuits and character assassination against those who told the truth. Lance is a piece of shit, utterly shameless.
@@unpleasanthorizons7438 he admits that he behaved aggressively towards those people, but he also sued those who attacked him. If you think Lemond won his tour clean at a time when everybody WAS doping, then you are delusional. Look at the footage of his final 89 time trial - he destroyed confirmed dopers and didn’t even break a sweat at the end. That performance is simply impossible clean - it is still the 4th fastest TT EVER on ridiculously obsolete hardware. Faster than Lance ever went in a TT, incidentally. A mutant performance that an admitted doper could not get within a minute of. Lemond was and is a total hypocrite to keep up that line of attack against Armstrong. His bike sub-brand of Trek was losing out to Lance’s… simple as that, so he went on the offensive. David Walsh and Jeff Novitsky have both made careers and fortunes out of destroying Lance Armstrong. Novitsky is now cashing in as SVP of the UFC where doping is RAMPANT, so let’s cut the hypocritical bulls!t. Yes, Lance wes a assh0le, but he raced other riders who were all on the same sh!t and his results should stand, as theirs do. The trouble is that Americans are so black and white and moralistic about these things. Its a holdover from the first settlers’ Calvinism and Puritanical attitudes. In Europe, people are much more relaxed about former dopers, which is why many of Lance’s former peloton mates are still in the sport as team owners and DS’s today. It’s total bullsh!t.
Pro cycling was not, is not and we'll not be ever clean because is pro. All of you are nothing more than pathetic bunch of hypocrites. Without Lance no one, i said no one would ever look at you.
Because when Bjarne Riis won and later admitted to using EPO and ultimately whether one was in on cycling, or just a passive fan, it was common knowledge that virtually every professional cycling team in that era utilized some version of a doping program (whether testosterone, iron, B12, EPO, taking out one’s blood, spinning it and freezing and re-injecting at a later date, maldonium, etc., etc., - the Festina “scandal” merely moved the focus away from team directors and team employed doctors and transferred that outside assistance to withstand and perform in a grand stage, to the riders, who if and when caught, had to sign a document, accepting personal responsibility, in essence allowing the team to declare them as a rogue rider. I believe Lance was a narcissist who worked feverishly hard to maintain his innocence, and went about taking down all accusers in such a harsh way, but probably saved many (hundreds) of riders their salaries and livelihood along with their teams, not to mention that he did a fantastic job raising money for cancer research. Tip of the iceberg is what was “discovered” when Lance was brought down and then then UCI could get back to promoting its sport without a rogue rider like that lol. So glad “everyone in Europe” knew the deal so much that a very high percentage of winners even since Lance was found out, have gone on to test positive for some banned substance. I hate to think that the team or country with the best doctors has the edge but what else are we to believe. Norwegian riders from Bergen are currently dominating Triathlon due to special training and testing protocol to levels not seen before but alas, the Danes are back with both a TDF winner and Challenge Roth winner - I am really hoping it is excellent training protocol (sincerely) as this would be so good for these two wonderful sports! When Lance was 12 years old and was holding his own and getting on the podium in short course triathlon races, he wasn’t cheating but that doesn’t seem to be part of the story of his incredible athleticism anymore and that to me is sad.
This moderator loves the sound of his own voice...
Your not kidding!!!!
Shadow Knight......Not many! Terrible presenter - and what's with his constantly walking back and forth?!?
And basically introduces the ladies as someone's partner, like a second party....
Lemond was legit and you have to praise him for that and his behavior in light of all the negative treatment he received from Lance.
Same goes for Betsy, she has been right and stuck to her convictions.
When there is huge amounts of money involved there will always be cheats, liars and thieves
After watching icarus and the last tour, I really have no hope it’ll ever change.
Everyone riding knows it but keeps their mouth shut…..if everyone became clean the TDF would have to address it on the course expectations before the race. Are these drugs created for the Govt.? Super Soldiers? Which Govt? None of the pro women look like Russians with mustaches
microphones?
Where was this journalist before the storm broke... did he ever come out and back David Walsh or The Sunday Times, NO, did he support any anti doping articles in the international press? No... waste of a seat!
Watched Stop At Nothing:The Lance Armstrong documentary. Felt sorry for Lemond as he was unfairly treated by the media and the cycling world when he suggested Armstrong was doping.
fair play to Betsy Andeu, Kathy and Greg Le Mond, enduring efforts and integrity in keeping an unclean sport clean. Good praise to Frankie Andreu and Tyler for seeing the errors and brave enough to speak out. It would be remiss not to mention my fellow country men and women i.e. Paul Kimmage, David Walsh and Emma O'RReill.
Sean McGurk We can only take Lemonds word when he says he rode clean as there was no testing then. It’s therefore easy for him to say he was clean and there are no samples we can retrospectively test either. Theres always been doping in cycling and to have won the tdf 3 times without taking anything is hard to believe to be honest. 3 weeks, over 2.2k miles clean?
@@1972dsrai We can only take his word for it, but there is circumstantial evidence in the way his career went. Also, to an extent, for the bulk of his career there wasn't really anything that could make a doper dominant in tour cycling. Anabolic steroids could help track sprinters, but it was only with the introduction of EPO and blood transfusions in the late 80's and early 90's that doping could make an average rider better than anyone relying on natural talent. Much of Lemond's formative years as a pro came at a time when taking a moral stand on doping didn't mean you couldn't compete. I can believe that with his level of success it was much easier for him to stick by that morality when the sport changed.
You could really see the impact in both how quickly Lemond dropped out of competitiveness. If he was doping, he would have to have been doing it very badly. Even the winners used to crack a couple of times in the course of the Tour. Come the 90's, most of the top 10 were getting through the 3-weeks without cracking once. Sure, there were off days, and a few minutes lost, but nothing like the issues riders had gone through routinely just a decade before.
MattH Thanks for your comments. I know it’s hard to prove a negative which this is in a sense. I just think the guy has gone in hard against Armstrong. I appreciate that Armstrong was no saint and probably started a lot of the animosity that now exists, but he has lost a lot and he has ultimately been made a scapegoat for all the cheaters who still have their victories registered.
@Leo D'Arcy I’m just highlighting the huge gulf in testing and monitoring between the era’s. For me Armstrong was still the best, considering virtually every other rider was doping and its unfair that he was stripped of all his shirts. As for LeMond, all we can really do is take his word for it as theres nothing else available.
@Leo D'Arcy I accept everything you say, but Lance also trained harder than everyone else. Did you know he has an abnormally large heart for example? (Pre-drug taking). Im genuinely of the belief it was a level playing field as everyone was doping. He was just better at it and at maximising his output.
The person who placed the microphones did not have his best day.
He should have juiced
I worked for a continental pro team from 2014-16 AND I’m friends with Betsy. And I wrote a book about the team. The Conti Pro level is where you find up and coming talent, both naturally gifted talent and desperately-trying-anything talent. So I was looking very closely for any sign of doping going on. And I was ready to expose it without hesitation.
I just didn’t see it. I tried to find it, but couldn’t. Not on our team, and not on any of the others that we raced against. There were riders on other teams that I’d wonder about, but their results just didn’t jump out enough to signal doping.
But the Conti level is also VERY low-budget. I’m certain that the WT level where corporate money is found is also more likely to see doping. And if not doping, then legal performance enhancing right up to the limits. Whatever they can get away with. I’m certain of it,
Yes, Greg LeMond is the only American to win the Tour. Hats off to a great athlete and a greater man.
You are delusional. Lance is the GOAT.
@@craigdonovan4277👏👏👏 Lance N1 FOREVER✌️🤚
@@craigdonovan4277 Lance is the GOAT of doping. Tru dat.
He's also the GOAT of stupidity. For first of all coming back after retirement. Secondly, for not giving Floyd a job in his new team when he returned.
You probably believe in Santa 🎅 too. I'd bet my life LeMond was doped af.
Thank god I have stumbled on a video and comments that appreciate 1 of the real heroes of cycling, and recognise the damage done by the cheating fucker Armstrong, Here's to you Greg Lemond, an athlete and a gentleman.
Interesting remarks Lemond made about Ullrich.
What about these doctors and team managers...everyone knows Armstrong and co were cheaters, but the organizers get a pass? Finally, a discussion that goes beyond the athletes and points to the systemic nature of the problem.
Yes I think they were actually more to blame than lance there will always be athletes that want to cheat but the people who enable them are the worst ones
I'm not a Lance loyalist and I met Frankie... nice guy.
I believe that Lance strongly encouraged Frankie to dope but he didn't kick him off the team for saying no. Remember, Frankie raced on Lance's team in 2000 clean, so it clearly wasn't a "do it or you are done," situation.
At age 35, his racing career was over but don't forget Lance employed him 2 more years as the assistant director of the team. Doesn't sound like a situation causing emotional and/or financial problems. Wrong?? No...
Frankie wasn't clean in 2000. His wife is in denial, like a woman gets when she doesn't want to believe her husband is cheating.
@@adventuresona700dollarhard5 I think on that point, you are right. And it wouldn't have been such a big deal had his wife decided NOT to make this her chance at the spotlight by talking to any media outlet that would shove a mic or camera in front of her. She (not her husband) was the voice of how Lance was evil.
I was shocked to never see a media person simply ask her "umm why are you (the wife) out here so much yet your husband won't?"
Is it possible that in 2000, he didn't dope? Yes... BUT his wife not once was called out for her BS. If Lance "ruined frankies career" why did he give him a 2 year job as team director?? Why did Frankie take it if he thought Lance was trying to ruin him??
And... she maintains that Lance "forced Frankie to dope" yet admits he was clean in 2000 and was on the 9 man roster. How does she square that??
The tragedy of the sport is not what riders did to the sport but what the ruling body did to the destruction of riders dreams. The riders either didn’t take drugs and amounted to nothing or took drugs, got taught and had their life destroyed. As for the ruling body their life continues.
Weak riders caved, took drugs. Other riders rode clean. Greg LeMond rode clean.
What is your point.
Lance Armstrong is/was a sociopath. He didn't care about anybody & doesn't care about anybody today. How people give that piece of the time of day is beyond me. On another note, that necklace that Kathy is wearing is gorgeous.
Lemond - "I had to drop out of the tour on the 6th stage it was so hard now"
Betsy - "Frankie competed in the 2000 TDF totally clean".
Frankie also worked for another 2 years with USPS as assistant director.
Frankie place 8th overall in Paris Nice 2000. Dario Frigo was 9th place....
Frankie was a bad Frankie in the 2000 TDF for sure. ;)
LOL, yeah, I thought the same. Same goes for Dave Zabriskie. He cried that they forced him to use doping. Yet he went to CSC and other teams where he continued doping.
I don't believe Greg Lemond was clean either. There's not a single champion in cycling who has been clean. Lemond may not have used EPO, but he for sure used lots of other stuff which was popular in his days.
PaintrainX First Greg was clean from start to stop. He was a rider who even Europeans knew of when he was in his early 20s. The world of cycling knew Lemond was great. He grew up in the Mountains where as Lance grew up in the plains of Texas. So his blood oxygen levels were higher cause he rode in high elevation as a kid. Lance again straight aways of the backroads of Texas.
PaintrainX Also no teammates have ever even implied Lemond was doping. NO ONE NOT ONE !!!
+Jason Roggasch Also,he was one of the first to...foolproof the doping collection by thumbprinting his sample.He was ahead of his time.
Same thing all the Lance fanboys used to say.
Audio is terrible on this video. Too low, sometimes someone's can't be understood
All I can say about Betsy Abreau is that she is one hot ticket and, although I think she is attractive, this is NOT in any way, shape, or form what I am referring to. I mean this because of how she comes across as a no-nonsense straight-to-the-point person, just the type of person that was needed to break the Lance Armstrong and cycling doping scandal. Way to go Betsy!
She is just a vindictive, ball breaker who has always had Frankie under her thumb. To use what Armstrong said in confidence to his doctors when he is going through major cancer treatment was unfair. I do think however that Armstrong should have admitted to saying it when asked later on, but claim it was in jest and Betsy just didn’t realise he was joking.
@@1972dsrai oh yeah shame on her for being pissed her husbands career was requiring him to take drugs
@@damnyankeefl Exactly, whats her problem. He would have been handsomely paid for it with the improved performances.
@@1972dsrai she didn’t want her husband to die in his sleep
@@damnyankeefl That was due to guys taking EPO without following expert advise re doses. Armstrong has Ferrari who, whatever you think of him, knew what he was doing. Armstrong never took huge doses, rather he was micro dosing.
Remove doping tests fro the UCI.
Ban cyclist from the sport the 1st time if they get caught for epo
A full review of corruption within the UCI needs to be carried out.
I saw the Australian TV report on Lance years ago. Betsy saw Frankie leading a race once and said to him, "For God's sake, you're a worker bee not a star. Get off the juice or we're done." Great advice.
Great post, I hope someone can run a compressor over the sound asap so that it's listenable and gets 10x more views
anyone who rides a Trek should be ashamed for the shit they did to LeMond...Trek sux
Trek really screwed over Lemond when they discontinued his line of bikes on Lance's word. Would have a very hard time buying or recommending a Trek these days.
Did not know this
It took me reading "The Secret Race" and "Wheelmen" to finally be done with Lance. I had always been of the opinion that "our doper beat their dopers" so I still considered him the TdF champ but his scorched earth destruction of anyone who (as it turns out) told the truth gave me pause. I now realize that I was wrong in continuing to see him as a champion but my suspicions of his sociopathy were absolutely confirmed.
I was married with a guy with Narcissist Personality Disorder and he did to me the things that Amstrong did to his friends. He tried to destroy my life inside the courts and outside. They are dangerous because they walk the line of destruction and they can become something worse. They are compulsive lairs and they create their own reality. They know they have nothing inside, that’s why the love of power and money. I read Amstrong dad tried to contact him but he died. In my opinion his mother was also a narcissist that keep him separated from his dad.
It's difficult to see what the point of any of this was. Bjarne Riis won the TDF in '96 and he was known as Mr 60 due to his high hematocrit levels, Jan Ulrich won in '97 and he was busted at the end of his career, Pantani won in '98 and was kicked out of the following Giro for unsafe levels most likely due to EPO, Lance won '99 to '05 and we all know what happened to him, Floyd Landis won in '06 and was busted as soon as the tour ended, Contafor lost his 2010 tour win due to doping. Everyone was on the hot sauce and t was merely expedient to take down someone high profile, so Lance got that honour.
Lance lives here in Austin, Tx.
Betsy seems like that nightmare parent in the PTA who would make your life a living hell haha
Having said that...I think she is absolutely stunning.
Freak in da sheets fo sho
Also she pointed out that it was Bruyneel who spread rumors about Frankie noy being a team player to potential teams that he wanted to a job with most likely not as a rider but as a directeur sportif, etc.
I'm very proud and honored to own a 99 Lemond Zurich. I'm sure he isn't perfect. Who is? But I'm a proud owner of his bike.
Asked why he didn't interview LA, the man who made the movie The Program with Ben Foster as LA, he replied "because he's a liar" what can I believe?
Stanley Cates he had a point, though
Is this affiliated with the Moody Bible college?
Good job, Mr. Lemond and company.
Is there any microphone on this earth that can deal with Gregs talking? Every interview the same...
Greg was my 1st pro hero and intro to cycling. ...a genuine star.
betsy is going to be hot all her life
She’s a good looking lady. Classy too.
"He was their in to the North American market." This explains so much.
It makes me laugh that apart from walsh going after lance it was 2 women who brought him down
He mentioned early in the speech that he broke his back but didn't specify how. Thanks for watching.
An old cyclist here who has followed European cycle racing since 1973!!. There was widespread informed references of doping in the 50's, 60's, 70's. Seems to have magically missed the LeMond period and recommenced once he retired. Amazing. The history of European cycling is riddled with PED's and stimulants of some sort. The riders in the earliest TDF were reportedly on a high cocaine diet to get through it. Its just the drug that changes not the culture.
This is regurgitating the same old justifications which Lance seeded into minds through his books. Some cyclists may have used some drugs in the old days, but, with all due respect, no cyclists in their right mind would think cocaine enhances performance in a race like the Tour with 100+ mile stages...since cocaine diminishes actual strength and endurance. These sort of drugs may keep athletes on the bike, but the era of true science based PERFORMANCE ENHANCING doping, started in the 90's. Sure there were individuals using steroids or whatever on their own dime in secret, but their efforts were limited in expertise. Lance was the first one to organize science-based doping using huge amounts of sponsorship money to pay for the best doping regime money could buy. The Lemond era was the last era before EPO and other blood doping techniques exploded. Lemond was a truly gifted rider.
so cycling started the whole "between two ferns" thing?
Armstrong would have been mullered by Lemond if they raced each other clean.
Definitely.
you need to pay a sound engineer, sound is below average
The sound is so awful 😩
I’ve won as many Tour de France as Lance Armstrong
heard that too many times
😂😂😂👍👍👍
Even more impressively, you did it without doping.
The USADA guy talks about how there’s no incentive for the riders to clean up the sport. My friend Levi served his time and was done. I never understood that. He told me his strava times were as strong as ever. Yet he couldn’t get a job. I just never could understand why no one would want a guy with his record in his shape.
Don’t tell me the sprinters in todays 2021 tour have never taken any enhancement drugs, their leg muscles are just not possible without some form of drug enhancement. I do believe the GC race is cleaner but as to having never taken any drug during their lifetime i very much doubt it.
I think Betsy Andreu is very beautiful.
She is hot
And a hypocrite.
@@craigdonovan4277 But not as big a liar and hypocrite as Lance and everyone who adores him.
LEMOND was always criticized for taking time off and only concentrating on major events...why?...He was not doping...he was producing natural results...an entire cycling season wears down the natural human body..the sooner we get back to natural results...the better for the sport...
Terrible sound quality
The only distortion of the Lance story is leaving out that everyone else who was racing during the years of his 7 year winning streak was also doping (if they had any results). Lance didn't create it, and started doping with his teammates because Americans were doing so much worse than the Europeans and figured why in the early 90s. And the big deception is thinking it's not happening now.
Please provide your proof of this & your experience in the sport at such a level?
@@tman5634 Proof of which? I made several statements you could be referring to. They're still doping today? Or every close competitor of Lance was doping. The latter is known because they were all publicly busted and disciplined for doping. There are a few training rides for competitive cyclists in the US. There are 2 main ones in Southern Cali. Mostly ridden by competitive amateurs and local pros, which all international pros started as. And also visited by international pros and pro teams when they're in town. And retired coaches. So yes, I ride in those and have known many future pros (including USPS team members) when they were starting in their teens and even after going to Europe when they'd come home to visit. People talk. You learn a lot.
18:45 - Does that lady realize she is wearing a blinged out Nazi Iron Cross? It looks almost identical.
It’s a Maltese cross. Maltese crosses existed for centuries before the Nazis.
National Socialists didnt use the maltese cross, they used the ancient and beautiful sun symbol the swastika.
You're confusing it with the Iron Cross, used by the Germany military for many decades, well back into the mid-1800s. It's still used in the contemporary German military, which is certainly not Nazi. The Iron Cross design was based on an extremely similar design worn by the Order of the Teutonic Knights during the Middle Ages. And also similar to the Maltese Cross, worn by the Order of the Knights Hospitaler.
The cross used by the Nazis was actually a swastika, which itself was an ancient Indian religious symbol going back millennia. The German Nazis appropriated for their own use and it became associated with racism and anti-Semitism.
This is just a morality tale, business wants success and as a rider your a product. The public likes to think professional sports is won on water and weeties. If the business supporting the teams were behind clean sport the sport will be cleaned up
this is not telling story of cycling and doping.. more so story of capitalism and ruthless hunt to earn money and support yourself at all costs...
I don't think lance should have got a lifetime ban, did anyone else get such a long ban. Other people got caught for doping and none got treated so harshly
They came to UT Austin just to burn it in deep..............wowwwwwwwwww
Greg Lemond, Chris Boardman, Christophe Bassons. Three riders who were clean definitely. Undoubtedly there were others in the peloton, but not many. Boardman's health was ruined by trying to compete naturally against the dopers and he had to retire and go on HRT to repair his damaged system.
?? Had to go on HRT to repair his system? The only way you need HRT is because you did TOO MUCH STEROIDS and it shuts down your natural hormone system.
as a regular tdf visitor since the 90's i must say that wit lance , all the americans are gone . i remember shouting dirty doper to armstrong in his face when he passed me on the col du forclaz in 2004 and he turned around on his bike and looked at me evil , then american tourists started yelling at me haha , good to see hes gone and hes broke , strange that all these fans are also gone , i thought they were real fans
Haha good on you, Armstrong is an arse. Are you from France yourself?
He's definitely not broke. He was an IPO investor in UBER. It made him millions off a 100k investment.
Thank you for calling out a cheater
What is LeMond wearing? (Edit: watched again and Lemond said he broke his back)
A new corset
@@DG-EditsYTI watched again and noticed he said he broke his back.
He got in a car accident on the way to a dental appointment back home in Minnesota. He should make a full recovery and be fine though!
i'm ex pro cyclist before that time in lemonds time and g gheeter in gastown van BC racing for wheaties schwinn team 87 was on juice and they didn't even test . the problem is the system and uci
I believe Greg is in chest support because of a car accident he was in. Back support. It's strange that Betsy is in between Greg and his wife Kathy on stage here. UPDATE: yep 24:20 in the video.
I raced once against Greg LeMond in (I think) 1978. He was formidable. A really nice guy who was incredibly gifted on a bicycle. His abilities came from his training. I would never use performance enhancing drugs, not so people I used to race with. They always had these extraordinary veins on their legs, but I was able to do anything on a bicycle better. At the time I was mystified, but one has an enlarged heart the other died of cancer. Karma comes back?
I have a degree in Biochemistry. I am qualified to speak about this subject. A person's body is the way it is because of natural selection. Your blood carries as much oxygen as it can for the reason that people whose blood was more oxygenated died before they could pass that trait on. Likewise your body has certain amount of testosterone because people with higher levels did not survive. People that mess with either tend to die of heart attacks.
Bettsy didnt have any trouble cashing those USPS chks
That brace on Lemond looks like some sort of bullet proof vest (against Armstrong) that was put on upside down. (for a car crash injury, I know).
this story of cover up and corruption is fascinating because it gives you an insight into how much whistle blowing has to happen for anything to be exposed. This is just one story that took ages to be uncovered. Imagine how many others there are The other exposure I think of is the Murdoch phone hacking story and how much incredible investigative.work it took to uncover that corruption. The Media plays an enormous role is this coverup and protection of the powerful. . Maybe after Murdoch dies things may change but maybe Lachlan won't change a thing?
Good to see a fellow clean athlete. Now I need to ask, is Greg the only clean winner ever? And if so, WTF he is made of that the others have to juice up just to lose to him. Oh .... I know its called talent.
Is Lemond a clean winner? It’s entirely possible he was doping and just didn’t get caught. When did effective tests for EPO become available? IMO it just was not possible to compete in the TdF at the highest levels in those days without doping.
Lemonds not clean. Fignon was a doper and Greg beat him. Noboby is so gifted that they could beat the gifted dopers.
@@bryanrodriguez3925 Sorry, I used to see it all of the time playing college FB. We had a center that doped and he used to get dog walked on the field. We also had a running back and a safety that doped and couldn't play. Talent can beat dope. Now if they are in the same talent pool then dope can give an edge. But Lemond never got caught and trust me they were testing him too.
@@PATexas If Lemond wasn't clean in the 80s then why was he & Kathy demanding that blood testing be introduced in place if urine testing?
@@NoOne-le2jv He must have been clean.
The sound on this video absolutely sucks
Why?
The message here is: Greg Lemond is a true world class cyclist
Should have had a mic between Greg and Betsey
Probably the only clean winner off the TdF in the history of cycling…..Greg Lemond was probably the most talented cyclist till today.
26:50 - OMG Greg. He shares too much. that's so funny.
Yeah, he was making an off the cuff joke being a genuine human being, unlike that psychopath Armstrong whose every action is calculated.
Good job sir
Greg is my hero. Why hasn't hollywood made a movie about you? you have suffered against bernard hinault and lance.
Has Lemond ever been asked did he use epo? according to the experts it was impossible to win in those days without it
Quick who can answer TDF history:
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 1999?
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2000?
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2001?
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2002?
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2003?
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2004?
Who was the highest placed clean rider in 2005?
Shame on you Lance! Look at the incredible task you've made for the historians.
They'll have to spend decades trying to figure out who was actually clean while you were cheating. sarcasm/off
Incredibly not a single rider who finished in the top 10 has come forward demanding that they be crowned the winner since the stripping Lance's 7 wins.
Hmmm.....
+porscheoscar others doped....but they did not ruin other peoples lives...Lance=POS
Under UCI rules, by default, the rider who finished second place behind Lance in every one of those Tours is the winner. It doesn't have to be "awarded."
GOAT.
Drugs are a mandatory requirement in cycling because sponsors require it. A world class rider without it would just be a middle ranked pro. They all dope, besides how is transfusion of your own blood even really cheating, it's a vampire move but totally natural.
All those people on the panel are my heroes, they stand for justice, fairness, good living and happy living :-)
Raced against Greg when he was a junior. I was much older. He looks like shit compared to me now. Sad.
You probably dope.
@@berndtherrenvolk1951yea greg probably did
Getting filled with lead due to being shot probably didn't help!!
Blasting gear catches up with you. Sorry I mean he was beating all those dopers because he's a God lol
For This = I would want a Della Santa Lemond , LUGGED .
Johan didn't bad mouth Frankie, he just told the doping team that Frankie's wife wouldn't let him dope
would love to see a full random test of the NFL NBA Soccer NHL nobody talk about drugs there.. Baceball had their time but nobody care about what they do anymore..
Miguel Indurain didn't win 5 TDF's without doping, the testing was so poor back then
Big Mig started out finishing the tour way down like 90th, 65th, 48th, 20th.... This is not how most of the repeat tour winners placed. Usually they were top 3 first time.
Half-empty so I guess they have something worth saying!
They should have given Greg his own mic.