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Bradley Wiggins A Year in Yellow BSkyB

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2012

Комментарии • 358

  • @DavidSmith-do6ji
    @DavidSmith-do6ji 10 месяцев назад +7

    Big respect to his wife for all the support over the years, what a lady!

  • @simonpage9866
    @simonpage9866 6 лет назад +57

    five minutes in i thought i was watching a scene out of the office with dave in his office saying that his lonely "well I'm not lonely, im a lon..er" classic comedy without trying

  • @kjetillangauer2816
    @kjetillangauer2816 3 года назад +15

    Bradley risking everything when leading out Cav just shows what a great bloke he is

    • @johnratcliffe6438
      @johnratcliffe6438 Год назад +2

      He risked nothing. He can't lose time in the final 3KM. It was a beautiful sight to see him lead Mark out though...

  • @icedbannanas
    @icedbannanas 8 лет назад +40

    What a fucking great athlete. When I'm out cycling, I can't help but think about what these guys do. Amazing.

  • @tasty_fish
    @tasty_fish 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Brad, Team Sky coaching and management and all the great track and road champions like Cav, and Boardman earlier, for amazing memories. I started following cycling in ‘86, a whole new world opened up. I could only ever dream of Brits being prolific stage, classics and stage races winners. The whole ethos and discipline of the track, the World Performance system and simply thinking differently in a way not many had before them.

  • @palestinianjerusalem
    @palestinianjerusalem 11 лет назад +6

    Lovely documentary... hes down to earth and family man!!
    Legend
    Love from Palestine

  • @wanderalmeida9584
    @wanderalmeida9584 9 лет назад +52

    The most beautiful cycling scene I ever seen: the yellow jersey Wiggins leading the way to Cavendish in the final lap. I have deep respect for Wiggins and I think he is a clean cyclist. Regards from Brazil.

    • @georgetfzhang
      @georgetfzhang 7 лет назад +4

      Your thoughts now?

    • @wanderalmeida9584
      @wanderalmeida9584 7 лет назад

      Who cares about my thoughts...you? Anything proved against until now?

    • @georgetfzhang
      @georgetfzhang 7 лет назад +1

      I do care, hence the question. My two cents is that while we can certainly apply the "innocent until proven guilty" logic here, the timing and the subsequent concealment, which came to light much later, of the TUEs were not coincidental. I have absolutely no doubt that wiggo is a beast of an athlete and am myself a fan, but i have to admit given what we know now, it's hard not to have a bad taste in the mouth.

    • @alexsington
      @alexsington 7 лет назад

      Wander Almeida you're so fucking gullible. Do some research on Wiggins. He's far from clean.

    • @Hugo-ww4ez
      @Hugo-ww4ez 6 лет назад +2

      he's a class rider but at the top level (of every sport) doping is almost a guarantee. When big money and prestige is involved it's not surprising what people are willing to do to achieve it.

  • @benjaminblabla
    @benjaminblabla Год назад +2

    Bravo, un grand champion avec beaucoup de simplicité et de sensibilité

  • @raoulhery
    @raoulhery 10 лет назад +94

    I am glad Rod Stewart had a successful career after singing

    • @MichaelsWorld5
      @MichaelsWorld5 9 лет назад +2

      lmao!! You are right, he does look like him :)

    • @Glider34
      @Glider34 7 месяцев назад

      What a lag

  • @scotcorn4647
    @scotcorn4647 10 лет назад +5

    Fantastic documentary of the behind-the-scenes realities for Bradley Wiggins, a true champion who's down-to-earth. A great video!

  • @synapse131
    @synapse131 9 лет назад +10

    The kids singing to Bradley must have been just completely surreal for him.

    • @jani724
      @jani724 Год назад

      Keeping it all together in that moment must have been harder than the climbs to follow. What a legend!

  • @robw7676
    @robw7676 5 лет назад +21

    15:08 riding off on your own with your puncture repair kit strapped to the saddle just like everyone else. Very British.
    I think he won because the kids at the school believed in him and sang him a song.

  • @Steve-bo6ht
    @Steve-bo6ht 8 лет назад +8

    Fantastic to see Bradley open up and share his feelings about what he went through when with Team Sky.

  • @gstone1345
    @gstone1345 9 лет назад +3

    Great movie and what a great support team to have on the tour. Very humble

  • @anuj18
    @anuj18 8 лет назад +5

    Remember watching this 3 years ago! Beautiful memories! That time I read his book "In Pursuit of Glory". The contract between 2009 and 2012 is so clear!

    • @anuj18
      @anuj18 Год назад

      Memories :)

  • @walidb123
    @walidb123 4 года назад +2

    I've lived in Kilburn my whole life and had no clue that Bradley was from here too!

  • @SanshoTheBailiff
    @SanshoTheBailiff 3 года назад +1

    Froome just new how good he was... both legends

  • @ahmadjay88
    @ahmadjay88 9 лет назад +7

    he realy looks like a rockstar...

  • @bilwit
    @bilwit 9 лет назад +15

    the national road race champion jersey and that matching kask helmet decal looks is probably the coolest thing ever

    • @69ssj
      @69ssj 4 года назад

      Belgian kit still the best imho

  • @boblasher1
    @boblasher1 11 лет назад +7

    I was a "Yank" Marine and stationed in Newquay for a year and a half. Have always had a love for the British and British sport. Bradley is a GREAT champion and seems like a really good bloke. Hope he has years of success! This was a very good video. Thanks for the upload.

  • @patrickcasey7391
    @patrickcasey7391 6 лет назад +6

    I find it very hard to like wiggins as a froome fan, so I remain impartial to him

  • @rosrebel
    @rosrebel 4 года назад +3

    A doper in yellow ...just like all winners of the tour ...

    • @JosephLycettCycling
      @JosephLycettCycling 4 года назад

      Get off your dopestrong high horse

    • @rosrebel
      @rosrebel 4 года назад

      Oh come on buddy ...just because he is a brit ....no high horse ...maybe a high hole .....

    • @JosephLycettCycling
      @JosephLycettCycling 4 года назад

      rosrebel Firstly, “high hole” really. Secondly when I look up Bradley Wiggins, I still see 2012 Tour de France winner by his name. He is a winner until proven otherwise.

    • @JosephLycettCycling
      @JosephLycettCycling 4 года назад

      rosrebel it’s not hard to believe that Wiggins won that Tour when you consider that Contador was serving a ban and Schleck was out injured. Cadel Evans also lost a lot of time during the opening week to Wiggins, purely through misfortune. Vincenzo Nibali was still fairly young, inexperienced and really only had an ageing Ivan Basso to help him in the mountains, whilst Wiggins had future Grand Tour contenders such as Porte and Froome to guide him to the summit of the mountains. Why would Team Sky also push this massive anti-doping stance if they were going to dope anyway. Surely that would lead to a higher fall from grace when they eventually get caught. Because we also haven’t had reports from any former Team Sky riders of structured doping within the team, similarly to how we did with the Motorola and US Postal Service teams when Lance Armstrong was winning his Tours, that also makes it hard to believe that there is anything going on inside Team Sky/Ineos. TUEs have also been around in sport for ages and the UCI are not supposed to share that information to the public. The difference those substances make on a normal athlete are not even noticeable, whilst for an asthmatic person like Froome and Wiggins they can level the playing field and allows us to see their full potential if they didn’t have asthma.

    • @rosrebel
      @rosrebel 4 года назад

      Wiggins is a cheat ....tue,s ...etc ...seriously lads ...from the track to the tour ...it’s as if usain bolt went from the 300 meters to marathon ....not particulArly believable ....it’s improbable that any winner of the tour was ever completely clean .....naivety is the willingness to not look at facts and a lazy mans ignorance to think logically and not question ones own inner believes . The sporting world at elite level will always be murky , with so much money and “ national pride ‘ at stake ...,.........as an ex athlete I recently had a conversation with a training partner of Justin Gatlin who will never accept gatlin doped ( 7 yrs banned altogether ) .......why .... because not because he is naive ( dumb maybe ) but I think even afraid of gatlin .......remember Armstrong was a complete bully ....any way ..plenty of blabbing ...but don’t let the fact that Wiggins is a true Brit get in the way of logical thought ....cyclists should long have a biological passport , and Wiggins has never legitimately answered any questions ...he knew once he had ‘ won ‘ the tour ...get out quick ......next thing people will be telling me mo Farrah really wasnt being coached by Salazar but a buddy of his from Portland ...even though he has never been interviewed properly .....😗🤯

  • @Dashiki7467
    @Dashiki7467 10 лет назад +10

    Awesome doc... Loved it

  • @michiryan979
    @michiryan979 9 лет назад +8

    Inspirational. Class act on and off the bike

  • @barabooshark
    @barabooshark 11 лет назад +14

    Bradley's thoughts during time at school with the kids. "Man, I still got a bike today." "Do I have intervals today... sprint work... yeah that's it" "I was a kilo overweight this morning... better not bring snack."

  • @cnay2983
    @cnay2983 5 лет назад +9

    i went from an 85kg 18 year old that smoked and drank since I was 14. to 57kg running 10k under 40 minutes in just 2 years. I wish i could have ran more but my knees and hips couldn't keep up with my enthusiasm . my secret was high carb diet and a heart rate monitor. just do aerobic base training as much as long as you can. Just put the miles in! im sure there are better ways but hey. just sharing :) I quit running to do ultra endurance cycling as its more of a low impact sport; and I like the idea of cycling 500km in a day; haven't done it yet! but that's my goal!

    • @johnnyveganite9141
      @johnnyveganite9141 5 лет назад +1

      High carb (vegan) ftw - it works, you lose weight and have the energy (natural energy) to keep fit and healthy, and recovery is off the chart👍

  • @patrickhall644
    @patrickhall644 5 лет назад +13

    "You making a tea Nan?" "Do you want one?" "Ah yeh that would be great, 1 sugar please"

    • @royfr8136
      @royfr8136 4 года назад +2

      She actually asked him how many sugars he takes.....because he probably hasnt seen her in years and this is all bs

  • @elnidomusic
    @elnidomusic 9 лет назад +9

    Great movie, it´s amazing how British people and media respects and loves his athletes ... here in Spain, the races are not even on TV, imagine a documentary ... so sad
    I didn´t like so much Wiggo but now I´m a fucking super-fan, I like his "romantic-robotic" style

    • @Crackity_Jones.
      @Crackity_Jones. 9 лет назад +3

      +Felipe Rojas Really?? Im only a casual fan but I was led to believe cycling is much more popular and covered more in Spain

    • @sammythekiller1079
      @sammythekiller1079 6 лет назад +1

      CrackityJones in Spain other sports like Football are more popular and take all the tv space

  • @lenochod13
    @lenochod13 9 лет назад

    Background of big success is always fascinating as well as the actual performance in the race. Each success had but always the same denominator: hard work, humility.
    Bradley Wiggins is a great role model for me, although I am not a professional cyclist

  • @vjerans
    @vjerans 11 лет назад +1

    Beautiful story... and well done by the journalist who made it. Congratulations two both of them

  • @Ewane
    @Ewane 5 лет назад +18

    We would have had a legendary Tour if Froome and Wiggins had been racing one another, rather than Froome holding back for Wiggins in the mountains and Wiggins gapping him in the TT.It would have been great to watch.

  • @royfr8136
    @royfr8136 8 лет назад +5

    his wife is great too

  • @veloman59
    @veloman59 4 года назад +1

    Richard Moore is most certainly the most insightful about Wiggo and his team in this documentary

  • @jakebeacock7299
    @jakebeacock7299 11 лет назад +3

    What a moment when Wiggins led Cav to victory! And the hug!
    Pride of GB

  • @DanDXMG
    @DanDXMG 9 лет назад +15

    LOL in the interview with Chris Froome, he is labeled as "Team Sky Domestique". He just won the Tour de France for the second time this afternoon.

    • @willcole6355
      @willcole6355 6 лет назад +3

      4 now

    • @TheBony45
      @TheBony45 6 лет назад

      Brad knew what he can achieve during the tour 2012

    • @Ewane
      @Ewane 5 лет назад +1

      DanDXMG super domestique at a minimum, should have been co-leader

  • @NelPaga
    @NelPaga 11 лет назад

    this video gave me an inspiration for life! awesome!

  • @davehanhela5997
    @davehanhela5997 Год назад

    Top doco. So happy for Wiggo :-) Normal guy, just really fast.

  • @MHDIMN
    @MHDIMN 11 лет назад +1

    Gives me determination to go faster! Thanks Wiggo, much thanks!

    • @SeanMacOirc
      @SeanMacOirc 3 года назад

      CTric get ur supply of EPO and blood dope, sure to go faster.

    • @MHDIMN
      @MHDIMN 3 года назад +2

      Sean McGurk I would not be satisfied with anything outside of my own blood, sweat and tears 😁

  • @henrikaronsson5715
    @henrikaronsson5715 11 лет назад +1

    Just love this doc. Best part...or best lines, must be when he has his daughter on the phone: "Bradley Wiggins has crashed"....BW: "Yeah I know"...and then his wife explains that the daughter don´t connect the two to being dad...or rather, as two sperate beings.

  • @chrissicrossy7000
    @chrissicrossy7000 3 года назад

    Love this film

  • @VinceMarotte
    @VinceMarotte 11 лет назад +4

    One cannot achieve these things without a focus that causes you to come off as a prick. Most of us will never understand this...not that I want to. I prefer to sit back, enjoy the show and appreciate what it takes these men to even toe the line at the tour.

  • @Leggoeggo101
    @Leggoeggo101 11 лет назад +2

    i feel like i know Bradley so well now, just from a video

  • @savinecycles
    @savinecycles 10 лет назад +2

    See a boy from Kilburn can do anything n that's from a boy from Cricklewood....NW London Massive!

  • @Claymanlol
    @Claymanlol 11 лет назад +3

    A really great documentary! Trully a humble man through all the success hes accumulated.

  • @pahouseholder
    @pahouseholder 7 лет назад

    Brilliant. Thanks!

  • @palestinianjerusalem
    @palestinianjerusalem 10 лет назад +3

    just the right things to think about b4 the TT race starts !! 36:00 - 36:20

  • @l0ntong
    @l0ntong 10 лет назад

    work hard win easy . go Brad ...

  • @cam-hz4yl
    @cam-hz4yl 5 лет назад +1

    A great moment for the UK. Great doc guys

    • @shane-irish
      @shane-irish 4 года назад

      Cheat like most off uk in sports

  • @fergusmckie4336
    @fergusmckie4336 2 года назад +1

    great vid

  • @roadglide
    @roadglide 11 лет назад +6

    You've got to be a hard man to be taking on this level of suffering. Fuck the haters. This guy is the real deal. The real deal.

  • @guillevanbart
    @guillevanbart 11 лет назад

    awesome film, thanks
    greetings from north of spain

  • @dinkobratoev9637
    @dinkobratoev9637 5 лет назад +1

    Fuckin LEGEND is this!

  • @mmallari44
    @mmallari44 11 лет назад

    Struck me in the gut how being so humble is so inspiring.

  • @dsgregg
    @dsgregg 11 лет назад

    Great documentary.

  • @obried26
    @obried26 11 лет назад

    Thanks for uploading this. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

  • @TheoreticallyNo
    @TheoreticallyNo 10 лет назад

    Great. Thanks for posting it.

  • @philo868
    @philo868 8 лет назад +13

    Chris froome needs one of this

    • @feds_watching
      @feds_watching 8 лет назад +5

      He has a similar one, made in Kenya I believe

  • @Ste63028-GASstudioz
    @Ste63028-GASstudioz 11 лет назад

    Awesome. Great insight into BW and what it takes to win TdF. His biography books are a great read too.

  • @carlobalzer3238
    @carlobalzer3238 6 месяцев назад

    Cycling 🚲 legend 🇬🇧👍

  • @bahnstormer
    @bahnstormer 11 лет назад

    What a good documentary. Thanks for uploading this. :-)

  • @maultx
    @maultx 7 лет назад

    Sir Bradley Wiggins

  • @jeffdeathstar4283
    @jeffdeathstar4283 8 лет назад

    She wouldnt let me show up in a white Roller...priceless

  • @Ninjamonkeydrummer
    @Ninjamonkeydrummer 8 лет назад

    What a man

    • @unohoncho7727
      @unohoncho7727 8 лет назад

      Still not convinced about him, he does come across as a bit of a cock in Froome's book - Wiggins invited everyone to his 'Yellow Jersey' party... except Froome ?

    • @Ninjamonkeydrummer
      @Ninjamonkeydrummer 8 лет назад

      I didn't hear about that. What i know is that despite the ego he might have or the clashes he might have due to his competitive nature, he is a legend.

    • @royfr8136
      @royfr8136 7 лет назад +1

      Froome comes across as such a boring man though

  • @RYANcanada1
    @RYANcanada1 11 лет назад +7

    dont you just love youtube. the video starts off right where i left off.

  • @raymondmalan487
    @raymondmalan487 3 года назад

    What a Complex Person, Chilled, Not Fussed and Focused.
    Funny that the "Lazy-Boy" Le Tour Champions will Always refer to the Winner as a Drug Cheat..... Amazing isn't it.

  • @friedbraincells3196
    @friedbraincells3196 3 года назад +2

    "DO YOU HAVE TESTOGEL YES MATE BUY IT WITH MONEY FROM THE BCT!!!!!"

  • @galibierfinebikewear
    @galibierfinebikewear 7 лет назад

    Super movie

  • @Speedos28.
    @Speedos28. 4 года назад +3

    The last interesting tdf. After this one it became boring with Sky dominating, all the other favorites retiring, Quintana not performing as good as they predicted... But all credit to Froome, since 2012 he has been the best

  • @Sirmellowman
    @Sirmellowman 5 лет назад

    what a fucking badass, then goes and sets the hour record on top of it. what the hell.

  • @mickswords8537
    @mickswords8537 9 лет назад

    Great person

  • @eduardocortes-dv4lo
    @eduardocortes-dv4lo 6 лет назад +1

    like father , like son

  • @RedShipsofSpainAgain
    @RedShipsofSpainAgain 10 лет назад +1

    Love the soundtrack accompanying this documentary. Anyone know the artist? Vaguely reminds me of the sparse soundscape on the film "The Proposition".

  • @nunobertolo3928
    @nunobertolo3928 5 лет назад

    bom trabalho.

  • @benmcavoy8804
    @benmcavoy8804 5 лет назад +1

    F R O O M E Y

  • @crazzyross
    @crazzyross 6 лет назад

    We ask athletes to perform on superhuman levels. And then admonish them for the manner in which they are able to perform.
    “Cheating” is a word spectators use.
    Let all sport and human achievement rise to it’s ultimate expression and Glory. By any means necessary.

  • @Wexicanful
    @Wexicanful 11 лет назад +9

    I wonder what Bradley is like on the drink ?

  • @owen7185
    @owen7185 2 года назад +1

    I respect the shit out of this guy, and taking his son down the Champs-Elysees is an act of pure class. Winning your capital city's Olympic Games gold medal 🏅 capped everything beautifully. Humility makes him a legend, he deserves that title.

  • @murt4701
    @murt4701 8 лет назад +16

    I am more curious as in why his teammates/managers/coach clearly has a pretty negative perception of him .

    • @CFCMahomet
      @CFCMahomet 3 года назад +2

      He is not a teamplayer

  • @stanL9
    @stanL9 11 лет назад

    Thats the kind of confidence it takes i guess. To constantly tell yourself, you are the best, theres no one better. Its almost an overflow

  • @ChunBoonNg
    @ChunBoonNg 11 лет назад

    Glad to see a focus winner. Hope Brad remains a legend

  • @Johnny641
    @Johnny641 11 лет назад

    Thanks for the upload.

  • @stevecooper7038
    @stevecooper7038 Год назад

    Back in a "jiffy" 🤣

  • @joostvw3692
    @joostvw3692 2 года назад

    This was actually a very bizar Tour.
    Britain 1-2 and 3 wins for them. And 4 wins by another Brit in sprints.
    On top of that they won the timetrial in Britain with a 1-2.
    Its logic that all this raises questions looking at the history of cycling.
    But then the docu ends withs his Nan and thats just... you know.
    Thats what makes him a legend.

  • @kleinbottled79
    @kleinbottled79 11 лет назад +2

    coach seems like a good coach

  • @TheSeppentoni
    @TheSeppentoni 5 лет назад +2

    Oh hello 360p. It has been a long time.

  • @shainexxxsescrimshaw7605
    @shainexxxsescrimshaw7605 5 лет назад +4

    The year that Bradley won the tour,if Chris froome had been allowed to race for yellow Like team ineos do now then he'd of won hands down,he was clearly stronger

    • @NolimitsNinja
      @NolimitsNinja 5 лет назад

      Stronger on the mountains, but Wiggins absolutely decimated him in the TT's. An Indurain level battering. No doubt it would have been close if they were on different teams, but in that instance Wiggins would have had better support from his team up the mountains. He probably loses a couple of minutes to Froome, sure, but I think Wiggins would still have edged it that year.

  • @Wexicanful
    @Wexicanful 11 лет назад

    To true man !!!

  • @shonebowman
    @shonebowman 11 лет назад

    great info, thank you!

  • @UnconventionalLiving
    @UnconventionalLiving 11 лет назад +3

    Sky's doping program is fucking top notch... holy shit lol

  • @tomikste
    @tomikste 8 лет назад +2

    Does anybody know something about music starting at 36:19???

  • @sawdustcaesar6853
    @sawdustcaesar6853 5 лет назад

    NICE!

  • @jordywilliams
    @jordywilliams 8 лет назад +36

    wiggins should have been riding for froome

    • @DHTCF
      @DHTCF 5 лет назад

      Froome was better, as he had been in the Vuelta 2011.
      But then Froome got to ride w/o wiggins in 2014, when Wiggins might have been useful. Not in the same way as Froome, but a useful marker of other riders.
      Froome has more reason to be vexed about the Vuelta. He was clearly better, and the team didn't even win. They blew his chances for someone who didn't win.

    • @DHTCF
      @DHTCF 5 лет назад

      The guy who should really have been vexed by the team was Cav.

    • @Ewane
      @Ewane 5 лет назад

      Anon Ymous Wiggins didn't do the Tour in 2013, he did the Giro

    • @Ewane
      @Ewane 5 лет назад

      DHTCF Froome was pretty much always better than Wiggins

  • @maultx
    @maultx 7 лет назад

    Fight on!

  • @kevincinnamontoast3669
    @kevincinnamontoast3669 9 лет назад +2

    Wiggins is so fast! Only marginally slower than Lance Armstrong. That is fantastic.

    • @feddyvonwigglestein3481
      @feddyvonwigglestein3481 8 лет назад +5

      +Kevin CinnamonToast So that means he takes slightly less steroids?

    • @Bayo106
      @Bayo106 4 года назад

      @vetron13mb they all take stuff you noob

  • @HawaiiMacAddict
    @HawaiiMacAddict 11 лет назад

    Finally we get a true TdF champion - drug free! Way to go Wiggo, and may you get a few more Tour victories the right (clean) way!

    • @SeanMacOirc
      @SeanMacOirc 3 года назад +1

      William Jones II Drug fee? Brits give Knighthoods to dopers/ cheats, amazing.

    • @matthewmichaels669
      @matthewmichaels669 2 года назад

      @@SeanMacOirc yes like Roche & Kelly.

  • @markcaporale2559
    @markcaporale2559 6 лет назад

    Such a relief after the perfectly marketed Armstrong juggernaut. That story was getting so old, even when I believed he was clean. At least Wiggo has some personality.

  • @royfr8136
    @royfr8136 8 лет назад

    great

  • @tedbuckingham693
    @tedbuckingham693 4 года назад

    Met brad at the tour of britain, hero.

  • @bobmancuso
    @bobmancuso 6 лет назад

    we want to show this film to our bicycle club... does anyone know who to contact???

  • @HouseMD519
    @HouseMD519 9 лет назад +2

    "If we trained as athletes, non of them would be able to push me to that degree were i get the best each day..."
    Chris Froome would ;)

    • @Booyaaa100
      @Booyaaa100 9 лет назад

      He was talking about his coaches not his teammates.

    • @HouseMD519
      @HouseMD519 9 лет назад

      I don't think so. Cause that would be obvious and not an important thing to mention in the documentary. Also there were other riders standing there at that moment, so i think he was talking about them.

    • @Booyaaa100
      @Booyaaa100 9 лет назад +2

      Mikkel Dreyer he was saying the reason they use the moped is because the coaches couldn't push him. That's why it's in the documentary. In his book he acknowledges that he has teammates who climb better.

    • @HouseMD519
      @HouseMD519 9 лет назад

      Okay, thanks for that. But that seemed a bit unnecessary to say then. It is quite obvious ;)

    • @HouseMD519
      @HouseMD519 9 лет назад

      Booyaaa100 But i still think he was talking about the other climbers on the training camp... Other wise it wouldn't make sense. But neither of us no for sure