06:44 *RIP to the man, the myth, the rocco, the legend, ROLLERBALL ROCCO* Pound for pound one of the legit greats. He wasn't just ahead of his time, he was DECADES ahead of his time!
I am going to say I reckon I must have seen that line elsewhere, as it's TOO good for me, but part of being a good writer is just stealing stuff no-one else has yet! Thanks and Wrestle Me, Mike!
God, I did a quick Google search on Victor Zangiev because I'd seen some bits and bobs and been pretty impressed by just how he looked so unassuming but he was still a monster. He was born in 1962, so by the time this PPV came out, HE WAS 28!! He was 28 and looked double that.
@@QuartzMatrixed Not going to lie, having a look at him, yeah, he's a lot bigger than I first thought, I guess being paired with Salman Hashimikov would make anyone look smaller by comparison?
He is! We edit parts of the original show out for the video edits, and that bit hit the cutting room floor as we go into Curtis Hughes in greater detail in other episodes (I think we'd already covered him in a King of the Ring 1993 Patreon show)
There's a lot more out there about Motor City Madman than what's on Wikipedia. MCM was originally part of a team called the Motor City Madmen, managed by Heyman. When they split, Mike Moore (this one) started using it as a singles name, while the other guy (Al Poling) would go on to become 911.
@@WrestleMe He was signing autographs on WCW's December '91 UK tour night 3 of 3 in London Kensington Olympia. despite being one of the company's biggest heels, he was a nice funny dude in real life, used to go round with two or three hats on pile on top of each other. He tagged World champion Luger in the main event. The same night Regal beat Terry Taylor then got hit by Paul E with the phone on the Danger Zone interview slot. Ring courtesy of Orig Williams's Reslo show on S4C in Wales, done up with WCW aprons.
You know, I just realised something, did Zangief or Hashimikov ever try their hand at PANCRASE or early MMA with people like Minoru Suzuki, Masa Funaki or Frank and Ken Shamrock? Seems like they'd be perfect for that sort of style.
@@vasilishimself9806 Especially since PANCRASE and the early days of MMA were in the 1990s, so it's not like Zangiev or Hashimikov would've been "too old" for it. (despite Zangiev looking middle aged before he was 30)
As a denizen of the internet wrestling community, I feel compelled to put this YT channel and the accompanying podcast/patreon over to the best of my ability. It's absolutely fucking fantastic and hilarious. Hearing them review the most obscure details of the worst of wrestlings golden age, and their love for the British heritage world of sport, i.e. catweasle, Brian Goldbelt Maxine and calling Davey boy Smith as thick as fucking mince really appeals to a bitter old fart like me. God bless you Pete and Mark..
I just gleefully listened to Marc and Pete discuss two guys neither I nor anyone else has ever heard of, and two who are marginally more famous, for about ten minutes. This is why I love Wrestle Me - you can't get this stuff on any other WrestleTube channel.
Montour was his real name and he really was both Canadian and First Nations…but the big thing was that he was a jobber so wrestled under other names but aren’t known yet
Just stumbled upon you guys for the first time with this one. Great, very well researched, and weird subject matter that hasn't been covered a billion times. Thank you!
So, remember when Bam Bam Bigelow took on Lawrence Taylor in WrestleMania 11? Wasn't the first time he had to guide a man in his first match. Had to do the same with Salman Hashimikov in New Japan, who went on to become a IGPW Champ.
ProQuest has a few newspaper articles about the run-ins with the law that a southern Ontario-based Troy Montour had, but that's about it, and if it was the same guy, that would put him at 22-23 years old at Starrcade '90. It's 1990, so maybe he just looks older, so...I dunno. But in searching various news databases as well as my personal Google Drive that has all sorts of wrestling newsletter collections (both my personal Google Drive and others shared with me)...nope, nothing else about him as a wrestler. Everything about him is Starrcade '90-related. It's possible that he's mentioned in some newsletters that don't play well with text recognition/OCR, though. Especially since one of those newsletters is Greg Oliver's Canadian Wrestling Report. There IS a Slam Wrestling article that mentions Montour being at a legends' banquet in 2006, but that's the only reference to him on Slam that isn't the Danny Johnson article.
Incredible deep dive there - this is the stuff! I'm just perplexed that WCW found him, considering how many other more prominent / not non-existent wrestlers could have filled that role, and it's even weirder that he's left no footprint. Delightful new wrestle-mystery! Wrestle me, Bix!
First time watching one of these videos. I loved it. You always hear the same stories over and over again so it was nice to learn about something completely new to me. 👍
Brilliant as always, lads. I think Mike Hagar would have been the first video game character with a wrestling background? Wasn't the story he trained Zangief? Drawing on memories from the early 90's here, so might be wrong!!
Did they say video game or fighting game? Because Final Fight was a beat-'em-up, not a fighting game like Street Fighter. But yes, Haggar was a wrestler.
In a video that features the early 90s Steiners the scariest figure here is still Hashimikov. You don't get a build like that from anything other than fighting and winning.
I watched this show 100 times im 34 didn't have cable growing up so watched wrestling tapes still love wrestling got 2kd row seats for me n my son on Nov 11th in jc Tennessee but this show was my favorite Steiner Brothers n Sting some my favorites besides Stone Cold Goldberg DDP N Vader Road Warriors Dtill Remember that Tag Team Tournament n Sting Vs Flair As Black Scorpion Cage Match N When Sting Pulled Off The Mask great times my moms been dead pst 12 years bring back some memories for me
I love legitimate wrestling meeting pro wrestling for 5 reasons top one is you find out who was legitimately tough guys and who was mostly just big and scary looking the other is to see what pro wrestling moves they decide to add into their moves My number one problem is that most of the time they weren't great talkers
The two Russians were actually good wrestlers! Their moves and (approach) to wrestling actually made sense and they did make it look good! Someone should have forced them to train in pro wrestling but keep the good moves they were doing!
I liked both of them but Zangiev in particular had some really good matches. The Hashimoto bouts are incredible and he also has a really good quick match with Buzz Sawyer.
If there was a top 10 list of the most hairiest Pro Wrestlers? (These men would be 1 through 4). 1: Dutch Mantel 2: George ''The Animal'' Steele 3: Miguel Perez JR 4: Viktor Zangiev
Ossetia, ancestral home of the Alans, currently illegally annexed by Russia from Georgia proper. I love these videos that lead into delving more into obscure wrestling facts. Like when the USSR started to open up to proffesional wrasslin
I would dare to say Zangiev and Hasimikov were genuine pro wrestlers. In the territory days wrestlers were not trained to "perform" or "work" but to defend themselves. These two would have been big in the seventies.
Amateur wrestling has a long history in pro-wrestling. Stu Hart, Verne Gagne, and for the UK Billy Robinson were wrestling greats that would also be called shooters because they could turn a wrestler into a pretzel if they wanted to mess around.
So it turns out that Victor Zangiev came out of retirement in 2022 and did a running for a match in Russia the show was celebrating 20 years of wrestling in Russia
You could have at least mentioned that Bullwhip was buried with a remote in his hand and that his final words were that he wanted the remote so he could change the channel.
Promoters would tell the guys they were pushing, especially new wrestlers to the territory, especially big monster types, go out there and beat that guy up, don't sell his moves but make him sell yours or beat him up legitimately. I think that's a possible reason why those guys from the Soviet Union were working so stiff. I've heard a lot of stories like that from that era of wrestling.
06:44 *RIP to the man, the myth, the rocco, the legend, ROLLERBALL ROCCO*
Pound for pound one of the legit greats. He wasn't just ahead of his time, he was DECADES ahead of his time!
"Shall we subdue him?" Gold🤣
"The constant and sustained assertion of leverage." Mark is one hell of a writer.
I am going to say I reckon I must have seen that line elsewhere, as it's TOO good for me, but part of being a good writer is just stealing stuff no-one else has yet! Thanks and Wrestle Me, Mike!
@WrestleMe "There's nothing new under the sun." The patter and wit of you two never disappoints, keep up the great work.
I wish we could have seen the Steiner Brothers vs the two Russian wrestlers - shoot vs legit.
The Steiner worked as spot monkeys but don’t forget they were both collegiate wrestlers .
God, I did a quick Google search on Victor Zangiev because I'd seen some bits and bobs and been pretty impressed by just how he looked so unassuming but he was still a monster. He was born in 1962, so by the time this PPV came out, HE WAS 28!! He was 28 and looked double that.
Unassuming?! Dude those ears? I get he looked older than he was. But he looked solid as hell. If someone has cauliflower ear. You dont mess with them.
Not as old as Tenta at 26 😂
@@QuartzMatrixed Not going to lie, having a look at him, yeah, he's a lot bigger than I first thought, I guess being paired with Salman Hashimikov would make anyone look smaller by comparison?
He looks like he drank a poison but years of drinking vodkas took very little affect on him.
Look in old high school yearbooks in the USA from the early 80s. They all have full mustaches and look like they're 30 years old
Big Cat went on to be Mr Hughes, who seemed to rotate between the big promotions without ever headlining any of them.
I was watching that going, hold up, ain't that Mr. Hughes? And then he did "the look" and I was like, yeah, that's him.
He is! We edit parts of the original show out for the video edits, and that bit hit the cutting room floor as we go into Curtis Hughes in greater detail in other episodes (I think we'd already covered him in a King of the Ring 1993 Patreon show)
@@WrestleMe Oh, cool.
I was pretty sure I'd heard you discuss him before, which is why I was surprised not to hear his name here.
Basically just a jobber
@@JoshBruin77 He was more than a jobber.
3:05 *in Phil Hartman voice* 'Hello, I'm Troy Montour!'
You may remember me from such other wrestling promotions as….
16:25 the look on rick steiners face as scott starts to talk - it was at this moment that he knew....
I can't wait to see who the Black Scorpion is!
There's a lot more out there about Motor City Madman than what's on Wikipedia. MCM was originally part of a team called the Motor City Madmen, managed by Heyman. When they split, Mike Moore (this one) started using it as a singles name, while the other guy (Al Poling) would go on to become 911.
They're very quiet about what Big Cat went on to do also, aren't they?
You'd think being to Lex Luger what Arn Anderson was to Ric Flair would be a bigger deal.
@@kurtvanderbogarde8402that's Mr Hughes
@@kurtvanderbogarde8402 Fear not, we go deep into Curtis Hughes in other episodes!
@@WrestleMe He was signing autographs on WCW's December '91 UK tour night 3 of 3 in London Kensington Olympia. despite being one of the company's biggest heels, he was a nice funny dude in real life, used to go round with two or three hats on pile on top of each other. He tagged World champion Luger in the main event.
The same night Regal beat Terry Taylor then got hit by Paul E with the phone on the Danger Zone interview slot.
Ring courtesy of Orig Williams's Reslo show on S4C in Wales, done up with WCW aprons.
Both Zangief and Hashimikov were brilliant at UWFi Bushido, their style suited the Japanese promotions.
You know, I just realised something, did Zangief or Hashimikov ever try their hand at PANCRASE or early MMA with people like Minoru Suzuki, Masa Funaki or Frank and Ken Shamrock? Seems like they'd be perfect for that sort of style.
@@Kaltagstar96 They didn't as far as I know though they'd probably do well.
Yep I remember seeing him there as well. He was great
Yes I remember them in NJPW then UWFi. Their style made more sense in those promotions.
@@vasilishimself9806 Especially since PANCRASE and the early days of MMA were in the 1990s, so it's not like Zangiev or Hashimikov would've been "too old" for it. (despite Zangiev looking middle aged before he was 30)
As a denizen of the internet wrestling community, I feel compelled to put this YT channel and the accompanying podcast/patreon over to the best of my ability. It's absolutely fucking fantastic and hilarious. Hearing them review the most obscure details of the worst of wrestlings golden age, and their love for the British heritage world of sport, i.e. catweasle, Brian Goldbelt Maxine and calling Davey boy Smith as thick as fucking mince really appeals to a bitter old fart like me. God bless you Pete and Mark..
It's one of my favorite YT channels, they do a wonderful job.
Wrestle us Benny D, thanks for the lovely words!
I just gleefully listened to Marc and Pete discuss two guys neither I nor anyone else has ever heard of, and two who are marginally more famous, for about ten minutes. This is why I love Wrestle Me - you can't get this stuff on any other WrestleTube channel.
Cannot believe you missed speaking about Troy Montour's trunks and the Bear's nose
I like to think they politely ignored it but the editor get it.
You sure that's a bear? It looks like ET.
Dan Spivey rocking the AstroBoy cosplay LMFAO 🤣
The little clips you've used of Zangiev wrestling the great Shinya Hashimoto just make my day!! What a fantastic channel this is!!
Montour was his real name and he really was both Canadian and First Nations…but the big thing was that he was a jobber so wrestled under other names but aren’t known yet
Yep, Montour is a common name among Iroquois; Brandon Montour is a current NHL player who is Canadian Mohawk.
Excessive body hair=Instant Heat
Dirty Dutch would agree
Just stumbled upon you guys for the first time with this one. Great, very well researched, and weird subject matter that hasn't been covered a billion times. Thank you!
So, remember when Bam Bam Bigelow took on Lawrence Taylor in WrestleMania 11? Wasn't the first time he had to guide a man in his first match. Had to do the same with Salman Hashimikov in New Japan, who went on to become a IGPW Champ.
Wow. For just a second, I thought that pic of Johnson WAS Mulligan
You know the editing's good when you nearly choke to death twice whilst watching
ProQuest has a few newspaper articles about the run-ins with the law that a southern Ontario-based Troy Montour had, but that's about it, and if it was the same guy, that would put him at 22-23 years old at Starrcade '90. It's 1990, so maybe he just looks older, so...I dunno.
But in searching various news databases as well as my personal Google Drive that has all sorts of wrestling newsletter collections (both my personal Google Drive and others shared with me)...nope, nothing else about him as a wrestler. Everything about him is Starrcade '90-related. It's possible that he's mentioned in some newsletters that don't play well with text recognition/OCR, though. Especially since one of those newsletters is Greg Oliver's Canadian Wrestling Report.
There IS a Slam Wrestling article that mentions Montour being at a legends' banquet in 2006, but that's the only reference to him on Slam that isn't the Danny Johnson article.
Incredible deep dive there - this is the stuff! I'm just perplexed that WCW found him, considering how many other more prominent / not non-existent wrestlers could have filled that role, and it's even weirder that he's left no footprint. Delightful new wrestle-mystery! Wrestle me, Bix!
"Their heads look like they've been chewed" is a fantastic line
Wow his pelt is almost as thick as dirty Dutch Mantel's.😂
The bear snout over your junk is certainly a choice.
WHY DID THESE RUSSIANS NOT FACE THE STEINERS!?!?!
Legendary
Basically now my biggest dream match we never saw!
You don’t put your top draws in the ring with hungry shooters .
This is my 1st time watching your videos and I love every second of it It is definitely worth subscribing to.
First time watching one of these videos. I loved it. You always hear the same stories over and over again so it was nice to learn about something completely new to me. 👍
Im just happy we got a stiener bros. Promo at the end😂
That guy made the Capitol Riot Shaman look like a full blooded native.
Brilliant as always, lads. I think Mike Hagar would have been the first video game character with a wrestling background? Wasn't the story he trained Zangief? Drawing on memories from the early 90's here, so might be wrong!!
Did they say video game or fighting game? Because Final Fight was a beat-'em-up, not a fighting game like Street Fighter. But yes, Haggar was a wrestler.
why was the n64 behind them when the tv was infront of them lmao
In a video that features the early 90s Steiners the scariest figure here is still Hashimikov. You don't get a build like that from anything other than fighting and winning.
I watched this show 100 times im 34 didn't have cable growing up so watched wrestling tapes still love wrestling got 2kd row seats for me n my son on Nov 11th in jc Tennessee but this show was my favorite Steiner Brothers n Sting some my favorites besides Stone Cold Goldberg DDP N Vader Road Warriors Dtill Remember that Tag Team Tournament n Sting Vs Flair As Black Scorpion Cage Match N When Sting Pulled Off The Mask great times my moms been dead pst 12 years bring back some memories for me
great great stuff as per usual from these two
Does Bull Johnson have the transformation screen from Altered Beast on his tights??
I still love how awful starcade 90 is. The first wrestling VHS I got
Really!? What about Havoc at Halloween? Yeah, you know, the one with the Halloween Phantom vs Z-Man?
Agreed...but loved them both at the time!
I love your videos, and your other endeavors. Thank you!
RIP, Sid.
I remember The Black Scorpion. It was Buddy Landel right?... I love The Steiner Brothers!
Is this the tag tourney? I had this vhs as a kid and loved it
This was the same tag tournament where a young Rocco Rock, using the name Colonel DeKlerk, was representing South Africa.
His tag team partner Sgt Krueger, I believe was portrayed by veteran Wild Bill Irwin, later known as “The Goon” in the WWF
One of our other Starrcade 1990 vids covers the "South African" team AxBlood!
I love legitimate wrestling meeting pro wrestling for 5 reasons top one is you find out who was legitimately tough guys and who was mostly just big and scary looking the other is to see what pro wrestling moves they decide to add into their moves
My number one problem is that most of the time they weren't great talkers
Motor City madman used to kill people all the time in squashes on wcw worldwide never saw him in a competitive match
we need a Troy Mountour shoot interview ASAP LOL
Literally typed in my wrestling name (I was a crap dogsbody back in the early 2000's) into Cagematch and I got more of a presence than Troy Montour 🤣
Zangiev vs Marty Jones would have been fantastic
The outro on Chewbacca--I died.
Love this channel!!
Big Cat is more well known as Mr. Hughes.
"when my son read that in the paper i said thah was fake" holy shit 😂😂
The two Russians were actually good wrestlers! Their moves and (approach) to wrestling actually made sense and they did make it look good! Someone should have forced them to train in pro wrestling but keep the good moves they were doing!
I liked both of them but Zangiev in particular had some really good matches. The Hashimoto bouts are incredible and he also has a really good quick match with Buzz Sawyer.
He has the exact opposite haircut of Zangief. He’s like Zangief’s Wario 😂
Big cat was Mr Hughes. Motor City madman was on the NWA a lot
Holy shit. Is motor city mad man the real Inspiration behind diesel gimmick/nash?! Nash is even from Detroit lol.
You guys do know that math from Stiener was right ,didn't you?
You Blokes are Gold , Gold i tell you !
Awesome video! subbed
Zangiev and "Borat" definitely look alike, they are both from Kazakhstan
Billy Robinson was only in his early 50s, I wonder how Zangiev would cope against him?
That stare that Zangief gives @8:40 is nightmare inducing.
If there was a top 10 list of the most hairiest Pro Wrestlers? (These men would be 1 through 4).
1: Dutch Mantel
2: George ''The Animal'' Steele
3: Miguel Perez JR
4: Viktor Zangiev
Seriously look up Little Prince. He was a Pakistani wrestler who came over to the UK and appeared on World of Sport. He outclasses Dutch and George
@@ChrisHopkinsBass OMG! 😮You are 100% correct! ''Little Prince'' makes all four of those guys look like {Ken dolls}!
Keep it up with the long video's love it
Ossetia, ancestral home of the Alans, currently illegally annexed by Russia from Georgia proper. I love these videos that lead into delving more into obscure wrestling facts. Like when the USSR started to open up to proffesional wrasslin
Alan Walker and Alan Hunter need to band together in a dance-radio DJ duo and take back their Alanstan.
@@Neufutur😂😂
Something about the history of the Caucasus regions have been fascinating. When they hold a grudge, they hold a fkn grudge in that region!
South Ossetia is illegally annexed by Russia. North Ossetia is in the Russian Federation.
@@outlimboedI know that but didnt feel like getting super detailed
I would dare to say Zangiev and Hasimikov were genuine pro wrestlers. In the territory days wrestlers were not trained to "perform" or "work" but to defend themselves. These two would have been big in the seventies.
Man, this is good shit. Thanks
Such good content!
Where was that footage of Jon Ronson from?
The grizzly snout on his trunks - classic....
" He's a man who looks old but when you get up close you go..... God, he's not old at all is he" I'm in trouble .
Scott Steiner learned his mic skills from Jumpin' Jeff Farmer.
Oh god please let there be footage somewhere of these two Russians facing the Steiners. Just to see fear in Scott's eyes.
I can’t help but think “Bron Breaker” is the direct love child, kayfabe, of Scott and Rick. Vince would have loved that storyline.
14:06 Michael Hayes is dressed as Apollo Creed from Rocky IV.
Jon Ronson has written some great books, The Psychopath Test, So You've Been Publicly Shamed and Adventures With Extremist are amazing books!
Amateur wrestling has a long history in pro-wrestling. Stu Hart, Verne Gagne, and for the UK Billy Robinson were wrestling greats that would also be called shooters because they could turn a wrestler into a pretzel if they wanted to mess around.
100 percent agree with you .
So it turns out that Victor Zangiev came out of retirement in 2022 and did a running for a match in Russia the show was celebrating 20 years of wrestling in Russia
Artie Bucco looking fierce
Where can I watch this fully
You could have at least mentioned that Bullwhip was buried with a remote in his hand and that his final words were that he wanted the remote so he could change the channel.
Not going to mention Troys trunks with the bear painted on them and the man’s member filling out the bears nose?
What happened to the semifinals?
Promoters would tell the guys they were pushing, especially new wrestlers to the territory, especially big monster types, go out there and beat that guy up, don't sell his moves but make him sell yours or beat him up legitimately. I think that's a possible reason why those guys from the Soviet Union were working so stiff. I've heard a lot of stories like that from that era of wrestling.
So NOW we know where Capcom got their inspiration for the big, (allegedly gay) Bear wrestler
Zangrief wanted some Zanbeef!
Wow, those two Russian wrestlers are fascinating.
Rollerball Rocco is a guy that I wish more Americans knew about. He is incredibly important in the history of pro wrestling.
Jeeeeez…. I was trying to eat dinner till I saw that ear. 🤢
I love you guys anyway! ❤️❤️
16:10 me and my bruhher, we're very proud to repren the united states and the great wrestling town of salaint louis. But you know there's others...
"Hadouken!"
- Ryu
"traditional Canadian war dance shuffle" 😂
I thought Motor City Madman also did a Clash match vs. Lex Luger.
Did Mark Rocco pass??
It’s as though Tony Schiavone has been around forever.
Lmao at Mark not being able to pronounce ‘bandolier’!
Ban-dole-lia 😂
man that adidas jacket they are wearing , they are awesome !!!
That would have been hilarious if the skyscrapers lost that match…
David firth is brilliant
I can’t stand the sight of Tommy Rich for some reason. He just looks stinky.
HASIMIKOV, not Hashimikov, is it so difficuld to pronounce?