That's another thing I found gut-busting hilarious about the Shockmaster. When he stood up after the botch and the Black Scorpion voice belts out, I fell over.😂. They were out of ideas and just threw a bunch of gimmicks together with a Stormtrooper mask
My favorite is when they put Pat Rose in the black scorpion costume and he attacked sting with an adjustable wrench he got in the back. Hilarous, as pat rose was built like a tied off sausage
I kinda wish that they had referenced that, like Sting introduces Shockmaster, hears his voice, slowly turns and starts to beat the ever loving shit out of Shockmaster.
Olie was gonna get his moneys worth out of that voice changer 😂😂, You recon he went home and used it on the misses 😂, “what’s for dinner”, “Have you ironed my shirt”
@@redheadbandanna1973 i doubt wcw thought that much ahead about safety they probably went with the first trained bears they could find.and the way they were walking ifthey chose to jump into the crowd there was nothing in their way to stop them except a leash.they dont need claws to knock someone out with a swat from their paw
I’ve always thought that when I see that clip (which gets used a lot to show Matt Borne as Big Josh) and it only takes one to attack to cause the other bear to start attacking you or other people. I wouldn’t want to be there if one of the bears turned as those bears stood up on their hind legs were bigger than Big Josh and while not being fully grown are old, big & strong enough to seriously hurt you/someone
@@nichhodge8503 yeah and wcw doesnt have the best history with animals with kevin sullivan breaking that monkeys neck....i bet the just looked in the phone book for the most local bear handler, probably two guys name scratch and boweable that put thir different body parts in the bears mouth for tips..i wouldnt trust a bunch of old school wrestlers with brain damage to book any wild animal
Dude same here! We had guesses as to who it was. My friend and I (in 8th grade at the time) figured it was the ultimate warrior. We called the mene gene hotline and the wcw hotline to try getting more clues. lol!
Another thing that killed this match was the fact that Sting defeated the Black Scorpion just weeks earlier at the Clash of Champions. It was revealed to be a fake Black Scorpion afterwards. So no one could get into this match because it could easily just be another bait and switch.
i'm reaaly enjoying this. The long winded "whooooooooo!' from the crowd @15;40 was a Sting thing. Not a flair whoo type of thing. Early in Sting's WCW days, he would stop & scream "WHOOOOOOOOOO" really loudly & high- pitched , with his hands open around his face, like an old lady in a pig calling contest.
I loved Starfox as a kid though I think it was called Starwing here in England (and Europe I think) because there was already something called Starfox trademarked here. I remember seeing in a SNES magazine them playing either the Japanese or US version as a preview and when they reviewed the PAL version they had changed the name to Starwing which was weird because I believe that an English company made the name. Or maybe I’m getting confused because an English company invented the Super FX chip which the SNES needed to do the graphics and Starfox was the first SNES game to use the Super FX chip followed by Doom, as I remember the Doom box and cartridge had the Super FX logo on it
@nichhodge8503 it was made by an English developer, argonaut. If memory serves, there was a German game called starvox, or something like that, hence thw name change
Can you just imagine if the Black Scorpion did the upside down bump in the corner then does the Flair Flop followed by him on his knees praying while shaking his head so everyone watching in the audience and on TV know it’s Ric Flair but Paul Heyman on commentary says “who is Black Scorpion?” (Then says “he’s shaking his head just like the Ultimate Warrior does. It’s gotta be the Ultimate Warrior!”)
The Black Scorpion should have been revealed to be Sting doing a Jekyll and Hyde/Fight Club schitzo gimmick. The audience would be in on it but Sting would play it like he didn't know.
How would that of worked in the ring exactly? I mean, I’ve seen a match between two invisible men and a matche between a man and a blow up doll but in the main event at Starrcade?
I was 8 years old when this Black Scorpion drama played out. Started out somewhat interesting, but went off the rails quick. The payoff was dreadful. Glad we can all collectively laugh about it to this day lol
@@i.still.function3463 yea lol. We didn’t have wrestling programming on television 7 days a week back then, so we took what we could get. It seems like WCW just didn’t have any good opponents for Sting at the time. He already had a run with Flair & it was getting old. Black Scorpion is so dumb, but at 8 years old I enjoyed it just the same. 😂
Thing is you can tell it is flair from the mouth and his pre-match psych up, he didn't exactly try to hide it. Which is likely how people in the crowd called it, given they were in the front few rows.
I was at the Asheville Civic Center the night that Al Perez played the Scorp. I saw Sting hanging out with Angel of Death in the loading area and since they trained together, I was sure he would be Scorp in the end.
Fun sidebar: I know what bar ric hangs out at everyday here in Tampa. EVERYONE that has met him and is a huge fan (or was) says this: TRUST ME you do NOT want to meet him or talk to him. You will be so disappointed! He's such an a-hole!"
Heyman: “He can’t be in two places at once” Well he wasn’t in two places at once, he was in one end of the stage and 30 seconds later he was down the other side of the stage. It’s not like some quantum particles that are in one spot and disappears and are in another spot but there’s a split second where it disappears and reappear it’s actually in both places at the same time
My favourite story from this era is Herd trying to talk down to Shane Douglas "cos he was a wrestler" and Douglas using his double bachelor's in political science and history right back at him and herd instantly hating him
and they didn't even have the black scorpion mask for flair. Also, flair's back bumps are landing on his side due to his plane crash so it was obvious who it was, lmao!
@@mattlong81 his last run was versus a bunch of jobbers in September 1990. He was there when the ideas were being thrown around, a smart Booker would have taken one look at him and plugged him in that spot.
What sort of past did Mean Mark have with Sting? There was one guy they had on the books who did have an old bone to pick with Sting - Terry Taylor. They originally feuded in the UWF In 1987 and basically did a double turn. Babyfaces Taylor and Chris Adam's lost the UWF Tag titles to heels Sting and Rick Steiner, managed by Eddie Gilbert. Sting and Steiner then lost the belts to Brad Armstrong and Tim Horner after Eddie Gilbert screwed up interference, trying to hit Armstrong with his boot but getting Sting instead. Soon both tag teams were breaking up - Taylor blamed Adam's and Sting blamed manager Gilbert for the respective losses. It ended up with Taylor going heel and joining with Gilbert while Sting split from Gilbert. In the end, Sting and Chris Adams became allies, completing Sting's babyface turn. Now in 1990 when Taylor quit Red Roosting in the WWF, he returned to WCW, briefly as a Babyface before joining the York Foundation. But what if he had a more sinister plan to settle the score with his old UWF enemy the Stinger?
I still think all these years later that The Black Scorpion should have been Eddie Gilbert . It ties in to Stings past , he is a great heel , and could have been a top guy in the company after he was unmasked . Put him with a stable and it could've went on for a while . Just my opinion .
That’s a great angle, I’d want the magic stuff explaining so I’d personally go with Kevin Sullivan, helps that he’s an old guard wrestler already with a supernatural gimmick
I've just suggested Terry Taylor which would make even more sense as he and Sting basically did a soft double turn in the UWF in 1987. Eddie Gilbert, Sting and Rick Steiner and Missy Hyatt had all worked out their kayfabe differences in late 88/early 89 and Gilbert had gone back to the USWA to be a heel and feud with Jerry Lawler and run him over with the car.
Rude left in mid October, but had nearly one year remaining on his contract and was officially suspended without pay, which means the contract was still valid so it could not be him. He did make an appearance for TWA in May 1991. One guy who (probably) was available was One Man Gang/Akeem who quit the same week as Rude and won a Battle Royal in the USWA two weeks after Starrcade.
Ax was still there. He was at Survivor Series 90. He had a heart issue and that's why they brought in Crush and it a 3 man team so Ax didn't have to work much Warrior and LOD vs Demolition was running the house shows during fall of 90.
I think Ole is stretching the truth to try to save face. He probably thought this was a great idea at the time, he’s the man who gave us Shockmaster even after Herd was long gone.
I will say growing up in NC in the 80's & 90's all you had to do was let out one good Wooo! And people would Wooo back from everywhere for 10 minutes 😂 in the arena, the parking lot, the concessions didn't matter people would run in from the next room Wooo
Ole was manager of the Horsemen and featured on TV, so the scrambler was nessecary. If Eddie Gilbert had stuck around, he could have worked. With a few others as the dupes like Angel Of Death. I thought it was Rick Steiner as a kid. Which they brought up them being tagbpartners during Steiners squashes without mentioning Scorpion.
I mean, wasn't Gilbert's voice also recognisable, didn't he also do some stuff with WCW / NWA before? I've never actually heard Gilbert cut a promo or anything.
the most ridiculous part is, sting gets the belt from Flair at great american bash. tradition generally dictates taht the former champ gets a re-match. so basically they created an asinine gimmick all to end up with the match at starrcade that didn't need a gimmick. it truly had to be the low point of that era
Okay, so Flair lost. He gets a rematch automatically, so… I’ll stop you right there. Black. Scorpion. What? Someone calling themselves Black Scorpion will just fuck with Sting until Starrcade where they’ll challenge him for the title! It’ll be a big mystery before it’s finally revealed to be…Ric Flair What?
What a shambles of an angle! Totally killed Sting's run. If they had to go through with it, they couple of had Terry Funk under the mask and that would of played into the previous years fued.
They were portaying the Black Scorpion as either Warrior or Hogan. Maybe both, whoever they could get quicker when they were trying. 1986, Sting was tagged with Warrior. Also in 86, he worked out with Hogan a lot in Venice Beach
Yep. i thought they were intentionally implying it would be ultimate warrior. I suspect warrior knew his time in WWF was running out and was in talks that never materialized. That may explain why they stretched it out as long as they did without any real plan. The vignettes probably cost a few bucks to make, cheap and easy.
Wow, the Ric Flair surprise is so bad that I can't believe I haven't heard of the black scorpion being a magician for months and hypnotizing people. Which to me hypnosis is like the worst thing you can do in wrestling, so phony. But I love to seeing the woman attack Sting so I guess I feel different now.
Can't believe they failed to comment on how Ole Anderson's voice with the voice modulator at 2:36 is the exact same voice he used for the legendary Shockmaster bit.
I would love it if you guys did a video on Johnny Saint and his reprise into wrestling. It's such a nice, heartwarming story. To have the pleasure of watching him ply his craft after he sort of became a hermit and lost faith in his ability (majesty) was really something special. The US fans really loved him, and I am certain he didnt expect that.
@@twilliamspro Hate Colt Cabana for the silly comedy match he did with Nigel McGuiness at Coventry SkyDome that was billed as World of Sport The Next Generation. James Mason and Dean Allmark should have got that gig.
No lie as a kid I thought this was 1 of the coolest stories EVERRRR in Wrestling. When the Network started I rewatch the match and my childhood was destroyed ! 🤣
That second woo was a Stinger scream. Borrowed the video from Blockbusters back in the day, no idea it was Flair, did none of his moves. Agree, looking back the ending payoff was a bit bleurgh.
The voice modulated Ole Anderson voice really just sounds like an angry Fozzie Bear from the Muppets. Just imagine him saying "Waka waka" and you'll hear it.
I remember my friend begged his father to buy this PPV. His dad was a legit tough guy, 250 lbs, jacked, worked an oil rig. "You wanna watch this crap". "C'mon dad, I'll mow the lawn for the rest of the year, wash your car, anything!". Finally the dad caved. Dad decided to watch it with us. When the spaceship came down and it ended up being ric flair my friends dad kicked his as.s. I barely made it out the door. Then a few months later we ran up a $300 phone bill calling the mean gene hotline. In the 80's $300 would feed a family for a month and was like a week or two's pay. His mom beat him with a belt as I once again made my escape.
OMG, this made me laugh my ass off. I remember talking a friend into ordering the 92 Royal Rumble and his alcoholic dad exploded when the cable bill came in.
@@A_RUclips_Commenter I will raise you with this one: I conned all the neighborhood kids into chipping in to get the survivor series. Everyone chipped in on the ppv and we paid this chick's grandma to buy the PPV for us. This turned out to be the event with the gobbeldy gooker. The entire room wanted me to refund their money. Roddy Piper yelled "The kids love it!" and that made it even worse for me. As if I'd have known vince ribbed poor chavo sr into wearing the gooker costume!
You know what? Black Scorpion kinda seems a bit like the American version of Kendo Nagasaki with the voice of Doctor Claw from Inspector Gadget; I half expect him to start shaking his fist and screaming "I'll get you next time Sting, next time!!"
Funny sidebar: an MMA league (Bellator) tried stealing this gimmick. TITO ORTIZ.....this man is from your PAST....do you know who THIS MAN IS and it was some huge samoan dude wearing a mask with fish nets over it. He took it off and literally, not one person in the crowd knew WTF it was. It went over like a wet turd in church. Look it up. They boosted it for sure from black scorpion!
The worst thing about the Black Scorpion is that a couple of weeks later an ageing short haired old man Ric LUCKS his way into regaining the World title. It does nothing for business, it cuts short what should have ben a year long title reign for Sting ending in loss to Lex Luger. and to top it all off Flair now admits he was having a breakdown and was in no state to be champion. plus who could cheer Flair as a patriotic American against Fujinami, or take El Gigante seriously as a World title challenger?
I think having his mom would have been brilliant.,..also, the Price Is Right sound when Ultimate Warrior said he didn't need life insurance made me laugh til I cried 😂
The angle was going well back in the day, though now I recognize Ole's voice now that you tell me. Didn't know that before. It really wasn't until the pointless reveal, as you say. Flair did cut his hair for this angle, so the short hair itself wouldn't have been a give away. Sting did the woo back then, pretty sure the woos from the crowd were pro-Sting. Hey, was one of his henchman that Angel of Death guy you mentioned? At the time the story was it was supposed to be Paul Orndorff, but Mr. Wonderful left the company just before the reveal. That might have worked. I feel like the reputation of the angle feels like people who say the Shockmaster was a bad angle, when we never saw the actual angle, because of the stumble.
The black scorpion shouldve been someone completely out of nowhere. Shame it wasnt someone like jake roberts or someone who left the wwf at the time.Had this been done right it couldve been huge.
Olie's Black Scorpion voice is the same as his Shockmaster voice 😂
And easily could tell it was him both times lol!
Oh, no, he just sounds like the Honey Monster.
And both of those voices are just Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget 😂😂
That's another thing I found gut-busting hilarious about the Shockmaster. When he stood up after the botch and the Black Scorpion voice belts out, I fell over.😂. They were out of ideas and just threw a bunch of gimmicks together with a Stormtrooper mask
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All I can hear with oli Anderson using the voice changer is Dr Claw kept expecting him to say I'll get you Gadget
The female that attacked Sting was wrestler Peggy Lee Leather who hardly gets mentioned in anything, even in her death earlier this year 😔
So it was! We did a full obit on Peggy Lee in one of our newsletters, but this fact I did not know!
Those poor bears must have been terrified and traumatised with all those bright lights and humans making noise.
That stuff pisses me off. You've gotta be sick to come up with that. He's lucky he wasn't mauled.
Black Scorpion sounds like Dr. Claw. "I'll get you next time Sting...NEXT TIME!!!"
My favorite is when they put Pat Rose in the black scorpion costume and he attacked sting with an adjustable wrench he got in the back. Hilarous, as pat rose was built like a tied off sausage
Black Scorpion sounds like Dr Claw 😂 😂 Ill get you next time Stinger, next time
Black Scorpion sounds an awful lot like Shockmaster
I kinda wish that they had referenced that, like Sting introduces Shockmaster, hears his voice, slowly turns and starts to beat the ever loving shit out of Shockmaster.
@@Kaltagstar96Shame that the Shockmaster hadn't happened yet. Not for another three years.
@@Kaltagstar96lol. They really dropped the ball by having Sting turn into Crow sting, he should have turned into the Black Scorpion.
Fun fact: Paul Heyman wasn’t told to act like a frightened child in this, it’s because at the time he was an actual 9 yr old boy.
*TULSA! Remember TULSA Sting?!*
No I fucking don't WOOOOOOOOOO!
Kudos once again to Jim Ross for putting this crap over also jim getting snippy with paul is pure gold
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Olie was gonna get his moneys worth out of that voice changer 😂😂,
You recon he went home and used it on the misses 😂, “what’s for dinner”,
“Have you ironed my shirt”
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Mrs. Ole.....in the bedroom....1976.....think about it, baby, think....about...it
i like how they had big joshes bears muzzled as if they couldnt tear someone apart with their claws if they got angry
I feel bad for the fans that their seats were next to the bear piss. That stuff is pungent.😂
Poor bastards were probably declawed and doped up too
@@redheadbandanna1973 i doubt wcw thought that much ahead about safety they probably went with the first trained bears they could find.and the way they were walking ifthey chose to jump into the crowd there was nothing in their way to stop them except a leash.they dont need claws to knock someone out with a swat from their paw
I’ve always thought that when I see that clip (which gets used a lot to show Matt Borne as Big Josh) and it only takes one to attack to cause the other bear to start attacking you or other people. I wouldn’t want to be there if one of the bears turned as those bears stood up on their hind legs were bigger than Big Josh and while not being fully grown are old, big & strong enough to seriously hurt you/someone
@@nichhodge8503 yeah and wcw doesnt have the best history with animals with kevin sullivan breaking that monkeys neck....i bet the just looked in the phone book for the most local bear handler, probably two guys name scratch and boweable that put thir different body parts in the bears mouth for tips..i wouldnt trust a bunch of old school wrestlers with brain damage to book any wild animal
And this is a lesson to anyone writing a story. Always come up with the ending first.
George RR Martin cares not for this advice.
Haha....and the writers of Lost
Tell that to the writers of Disney "Star Wars".
@@toddkurzbard "Somehow, Black Scorpion has returned..."
@@toddkurzbardthe problem with Disney Star Wars was them listening to much to whiney fans with arrested development
The Woooo were what Sting would do, thats why the crowd was doing that
Paul Heyman gives me strong Ralph Wiggim vibes.
This was the most important mystery in my life for like 16 days
And when you're a kid, 16 days feels like 16 months.
Dude same here! We had guesses as to who it was. My friend and I (in 8th grade at the time) figured it was the ultimate warrior. We called the mene gene hotline and the wcw hotline to try getting more clues. lol!
Another thing that killed this match was the fact that Sting defeated the Black Scorpion just weeks earlier at the Clash of Champions. It was revealed to be a fake Black Scorpion afterwards. So no one could get into this match because it could easily just be another bait and switch.
Thats right. I totally forgot about that
Let us not forget when arn anderson was terrified of sting and robo cop.
Weeks? It was a few months. It was before Halloween havoc 1990.
@@clintsaines9274 ok.
i'm reaaly enjoying this. The long winded "whooooooooo!' from the crowd @15;40 was a Sting thing. Not a flair whoo type of thing. Early in Sting's WCW days, he would stop & scream "WHOOOOOOOOOO" really loudly & high- pitched , with his hands open around his face, like an old lady in a pig calling contest.
Stings was more like "OOOOWWWWWW" not "Woo"
"Sting, my old friend. It's me, the ShockMaster. I've time traveled to the past to talk to you via cryptic promos..."
That space pod the Black Scorpion comes out of is like a rejected Starfox boss.
Quit trying to make this cool!!
I loved Starfox as a kid though I think it was called Starwing here in England (and Europe I think) because there was already something called Starfox trademarked here. I remember seeing in a SNES magazine them playing either the Japanese or US version as a preview and when they reviewed the PAL version they had changed the name to Starwing which was weird because I believe that an English company made the name. Or maybe I’m getting confused because an English company invented the Super FX chip which the SNES needed to do the graphics and Starfox was the first SNES game to use the Super FX chip followed by Doom, as I remember the Doom box and cartridge had the Super FX logo on it
@nichhodge8503 it was made by an English developer, argonaut. If memory serves, there was a German game called starvox, or something like that, hence thw name change
Can you just imagine if the Black Scorpion did the upside down bump in the corner then does the Flair Flop followed by him on his knees praying while shaking his head so everyone watching in the audience and on TV know it’s Ric Flair but Paul Heyman on commentary says “who is Black Scorpion?” (Then says “he’s shaking his head just like the Ultimate Warrior does. It’s gotta be the Ultimate Warrior!”)
The Black Scorpion should have been revealed to be Sting doing a Jekyll and Hyde/Fight Club schitzo gimmick. The audience would be in on it but Sting would play it like he didn't know.
How would that of worked in the ring exactly? I mean, I’ve seen a match between two invisible men and a matche between a man and a blow up doll but in the main event at Starrcade?
@@pmc8451 Simple, don't have "Sting" in the match. Attacked and "injured" earlier by someone in the mask. Have Sting replaced by Luger for the reveal.
I was 8 years old when this Black Scorpion drama played out. Started out somewhat interesting, but went off the rails quick. The payoff was dreadful. Glad we can all collectively laugh about it to this day lol
Lol as a kid even with the Flair reveal I thought it was on Bloodline story telling but as a adult now,LOL I wanna smack my self back then lol
@@i.still.function3463 yea lol. We didn’t have wrestling programming on television 7 days a week back then, so we took what we could get. It seems like WCW just didn’t have any good opponents for Sting at the time. He already had a run with Flair & it was getting old. Black Scorpion is so dumb, but at 8 years old I enjoyed it just the same. 😂
Al Perez was supposed to be the black scorpion, which also wouldn't have made much sense.
Thing is you can tell it is flair from the mouth and his pre-match psych up, he didn't exactly try to hide it. Which is likely how people in the crowd called it, given they were in the front few rows.
‘I’ll get you next time Stinger, next time!’ 🐈⬛ Reeeeeeaaaaaaoooowww
Haha....beat me to that one. Good job 😂
The Black Scorpio angle was working . WCW got in its own way again .
Wait...it was supposed to be 2 Cold Scorpio all along??? I'm so confused now...
I was at the Asheville Civic Center the night that Al Perez played the Scorp. I saw Sting hanging out with Angel of Death in the loading area and since they trained together, I was sure he would be Scorp in the end.
So... in kayfabe... Ric Flair is also a Vegas-style magician. Makes sense.
The idea of Ric Flair kayfabe doing all of this is hilarious!
That's how he escaped after being buried alive by Vince Russo.
His magician name is The Flair Ric
Fun sidebar: I know what bar ric hangs out at everyday here in Tampa. EVERYONE that has met him and is a huge fan (or was) says this: TRUST ME you do NOT want to meet him or talk to him. You will be so disappointed! He's such an a-hole!"
Ole Anderson trying his best Frank Welker impression.
You forgot to mention Al Perez as a possible Scorpion. Who did play him a couple of times. But apparently his bad backstage attitude cost him.
Al notoriously refuses to be fucked around . They fucked him around and he walked away from without hesitation
The Latin Heartthrob Al Perez.
Those poor bears.
The back of the VHS cover of the pay per view showed you who won the main event!! 😂😂😂
I don't think there were really any winners in this whole thing. 😂
So it does. I've had that VHS tape 25 years and I never even noticed that.
@@johneastwood3039 haha god bless WCW
Heyman: “He can’t be in two places at once”
Well he wasn’t in two places at once, he was in one end of the stage and 30 seconds later he was down the other side of the stage. It’s not like some quantum particles that are in one spot and disappears and are in another spot but there’s a split second where it disappears and reappear it’s actually in both places at the same time
"I will never need life insurance." I'm fecking dead! 😂😂😂
To bad too, he would get right along with the Young Bucks today
So's he
My favourite story from this era is Herd trying to talk down to Shane Douglas "cos he was a wrestler" and Douglas using his double bachelor's in political science and history right back at him and herd instantly hating him
My brother and I were their at the Kiel Auditorium in 1990. As soon as The Black Scorpion came out we both look at each other and said Ric Flair.
and they didn't even have the black scorpion mask for flair. Also, flair's back bumps are landing on his side due to his plane crash so it was obvious who it was, lmao!
Whats crazy is they could have had Taker in that role too. He was basically doing nothing at this point in WCW and left right around this time.
He had already debuted the month before with WWF at Survivor Series. I want to say he left WCW right after Bash 90...
@@mattlong81 his last run was versus a bunch of jobbers in September 1990. He was there when the ideas were being thrown around, a smart Booker would have taken one look at him and plugged him in that spot.
@@damonodell9125 Putting an unknown, relatively green wrestler with no relationship with Sting in that spot would of made even less sense.
Could have been taker. Yeah cause he's from stings past all them. Matches they had, all that background. All that history,
What sort of past did Mean Mark have with Sting?
There was one guy they had on the books who did have an old bone to pick with Sting - Terry Taylor. They originally feuded in the UWF In 1987 and basically did a double turn. Babyfaces Taylor and Chris Adam's lost the UWF Tag titles to heels Sting and Rick Steiner, managed by Eddie Gilbert. Sting and Steiner then lost the belts to Brad Armstrong and Tim Horner after Eddie Gilbert screwed up interference, trying to hit Armstrong with his boot but getting Sting instead. Soon both tag teams were breaking up - Taylor blamed Adam's and Sting blamed manager Gilbert for the respective losses. It ended up with Taylor going heel and joining with Gilbert while Sting split from Gilbert. In the end, Sting and Chris Adams became allies, completing Sting's babyface turn.
Now in 1990 when Taylor quit Red Roosting in the WWF, he returned to WCW, briefly as a Babyface before joining the York Foundation. But what if he had a more sinister plan to settle the score with his old UWF enemy the Stinger?
Shoulda been you, Eddie.
Shoulda been you.
I still think all these years later that The Black Scorpion should have been Eddie Gilbert . It ties in to Stings past , he is a great heel , and could have been a top guy in the company after he was unmasked . Put him with a stable and it could've went on for a while . Just my opinion .
That is what I thought too. If Eddie had stuck around, they might have done that.
I think he should have been the Shockmaster, more than 2 ½ years early.
That would have been a fantastic reveal
That’s a great angle, I’d want the magic stuff explaining so I’d personally go with Kevin Sullivan, helps that he’s an old guard wrestler already with a supernatural gimmick
I've just suggested Terry Taylor which would make even more sense as he and Sting basically did a soft double turn in the UWF in 1987. Eddie Gilbert, Sting and Rick Steiner and Missy Hyatt had all worked out their kayfabe differences in late 88/early 89 and Gilbert had gone back to the USWA to be a heel and feud with Jerry Lawler and run him over with the car.
Rick Rude and Ax had just left the WWF at this time. Either would have been a better choice than the easily recognizable Flair.
Rude left in mid October, but had nearly one year remaining on his contract and was officially suspended without pay, which means the contract was still valid so it could not be him. He did make an appearance for TWA in May 1991.
One guy who (probably) was available was One Man Gang/Akeem who quit the same week as Rude and won a Battle Royal in the USWA two weeks after Starrcade.
Also Taker left WCW almost exactly this time too. They could have plugged him in 🤦
@@christiankimock9284 WWF's-on-air-angle-of-Rude-being-suspended-for-making-fun-of-BossMans-mother-might-be-one-of-the-stupidest-angles-ever-lol
Ax was still there. He was at Survivor Series 90. He had a heart issue and that's why they brought in Crush and it a 3 man team so Ax didn't have to work much Warrior and LOD vs Demolition was running the house shows during fall of 90.
with THAT mask Rude would have been a terrible idea
Sting never said anything about all the crappy things they did with/to him. They always screwed him over
I love how Marc pronounces Ole like a Spanish matador rather than as the Scandinavian name.
The moral of the story: Never pitch stories in WCW as a joke. You never know when someone is gonna take that idea seriously.
This rule also applies for TNA
I think Ole is stretching the truth to try to save face. He probably thought this was a great idea at the time, he’s the man who gave us Shockmaster even after Herd was long gone.
I'm pretty sure Tony Schvonie pitched David Arquette winning the title as a joke.
@@MrRyan-wu4jxThe Shockmaster was the stupidest thing ever, even without the fall.
@@johneastwood3039 Hence the moral of the story. ;)
Had his own little Spaceship 😂
You'd have thought the government would know about this, or sent Men In Black to WCW after they heard.
Flair stepped up and took one for the team
I will say growing up in NC in the 80's & 90's all you had to do was let out one good Wooo! And people would Wooo back from everywhere for 10 minutes 😂 in the arena, the parking lot, the concessions didn't matter people would run in from the next room Wooo
Heyman's got a very 'Bill Murray off his face at the end of Scrooged' vibe
9:20 whoever performs the Black Scorpion there has lovely physical control of his performance
The spaceship kinda looked more like a Chinese takeout box... 😂😂😂
Ole was manager of the Horsemen and featured on TV, so the scrambler was nessecary.
If Eddie Gilbert had stuck around, he could have worked. With a few others as the dupes like Angel Of Death.
I thought it was Rick Steiner as a kid. Which they brought up them being tagbpartners during Steiners squashes without mentioning Scorpion.
I mean, wasn't Gilbert's voice also recognisable, didn't he also do some stuff with WCW / NWA before? I've never actually heard Gilbert cut a promo or anything.
LOL... You coth-eared boofheags, Ole wasn't using any effects on his voice, he was just doing the cookie monster voice! hahahaha
He admitted he used a voice changer. See the shoot interview, lol
and what the hell is a "Coth earred boofhead"? ahahhaha
Ole was also the voice of the Shockmaster!!!
The magic stuff was just beyond dumb. Haha, thanks for another hilarious episode gentlemen.
At around 18:00 you can tell the crowd was into it until the reveal.
Fun fact: one of the dudes who comes down the runway was The Angel of Death.
1990's $19 in todays money is $46.90
12:19 that looks like an Evangelion angel more than a classic UFO..
I'm not sure they were going for "father calming down a child who's seen something frightening at the zoo" with the JR/Heyman dynamic there.
the most ridiculous part is, sting gets the belt from Flair at great american bash. tradition generally dictates taht the former champ gets a re-match. so basically they created an asinine gimmick all to end up with the match at starrcade that didn't need a gimmick.
it truly had to be the low point of that era
Okay, so Flair lost. He gets a rematch automatically, so…
I’ll stop you right there. Black. Scorpion.
What?
Someone calling themselves Black Scorpion will just fuck with Sting until Starrcade where they’ll challenge him for the title! It’ll be a big mystery before it’s finally revealed to be…Ric Flair
What?
Too Cold Scorpio should have been the Black Scorpion
2-Black-Scorpion-lol
I want that Black Scorpion VT sample with the voice scrambler for my jungle/DnB record
Dick the Bruiser was the best ref ever. Stay out of way and do nothing
Very well done gents.
When the clue "Los Angeles 1986" was said back then I began thinking vague thoughts of Jim Hellwig (Blade Runner tagteam partner).
I remember Tulsa. I was driving through there when I heard this.
What a shambles of an angle! Totally killed Sting's run. If they had to go through with it, they couple of had Terry Funk under the mask and that would of played into the previous years fued.
I mean, I don't know if it killed Sting's run, he didn't do too badly for himself all things considered.
Price of wrestling t-shirts hasn't gotten any better.
Sting’s scorpion jacket is 🔥
They were portaying the Black Scorpion as either Warrior or Hogan. Maybe both, whoever they could get quicker when they were trying. 1986, Sting was tagged with Warrior. Also in 86, he worked out with Hogan a lot in Venice Beach
Yep. i thought they were intentionally implying it would be ultimate warrior. I suspect warrior knew his time in WWF was running out and was in talks that never materialized. That may explain why they stretched it out as long as they did without any real plan. The vignettes probably cost a few bucks to make, cheap and easy.
Wow, the Ric Flair surprise is so bad that I can't believe I haven't heard of the black scorpion being a magician for months and hypnotizing people. Which to me hypnosis is like the worst thing you can do in wrestling, so phony. But I love to seeing the woman attack Sting so I guess I feel different now.
Can't believe they failed to comment on how Ole Anderson's voice with the voice modulator at 2:36 is the exact same voice he used for the legendary Shockmaster bit.
Did he even use one.
Paul Heyman, “I saw the Black Scorpion take a lady & make a baby with the lady & the baby looked at me”
I would love it if you guys did a video on Johnny Saint and his reprise into wrestling. It's such a nice, heartwarming story. To have the pleasure of watching him ply his craft after he sort of became a hermit and lost faith in his ability (majesty) was really something special. The US fans really loved him, and I am certain he didnt expect that.
His interview with Colt cabana around that time is interesting
@@twilliamspro Hate Colt Cabana for the silly comedy match he did with Nigel McGuiness at Coventry SkyDome that was billed as World of Sport The Next Generation. James Mason and Dean Allmark should have got that gig.
No lie as a kid I thought this was 1 of the coolest stories EVERRRR in Wrestling. When the Network started I rewatch the match and my childhood was destroyed ! 🤣
That second woo was a Stinger scream.
Borrowed the video from Blockbusters back in the day, no idea it was Flair, did none of his moves. Agree, looking back the ending payoff was a bit bleurgh.
The voice modulated Ole Anderson voice really just sounds like an angry Fozzie Bear from the Muppets. Just imagine him saying "Waka waka" and you'll hear it.
Luger could have worked as the reveal. The story of him being jealous of Sting winning the title. Something he could never do. Was right there.
The Black Scorpion sounds exactly like Ole Anderson doing a voice
The Black Scorpion went on to reveal The Secrets of Wrestling on a Fox TV show
I was 12 and thought it was a thrilling storyline 😂😂😂
I remember my friend begged his father to buy this PPV. His dad was a legit tough guy, 250 lbs, jacked, worked an oil rig. "You wanna watch this crap". "C'mon dad, I'll mow the lawn for the rest of the year, wash your car, anything!". Finally the dad caved. Dad decided to watch it with us. When the spaceship came down and it ended up being ric flair my friends dad kicked his as.s. I barely made it out the door. Then a few months later we ran up a $300 phone bill calling the mean gene hotline. In the 80's $300 would feed a family for a month and was like a week or two's pay. His mom beat him with a belt as I once again made my escape.
OMG, this made me laugh my ass off. I remember talking a friend into ordering the 92 Royal Rumble and his alcoholic dad exploded when the cable bill came in.
@@A_RUclips_Commenter I will raise you with this one: I conned all the neighborhood kids into chipping in to get the survivor series. Everyone chipped in on the ppv and we paid this chick's grandma to buy the PPV for us. This turned out to be the event with the gobbeldy gooker. The entire room wanted me to refund their money. Roddy Piper yelled "The kids love it!" and that made it even worse for me. As if I'd have known vince ribbed poor chavo sr into wearing the gooker costume!
@@dealerslicenseops I guess they weren't too impressed with the Undertaker either, then?
Also, it was Hector in the suit, not Chavo Sr.
You know what? Black Scorpion kinda seems a bit like the American version of Kendo Nagasaki with the voice of Doctor Claw from Inspector Gadget; I half expect him to start shaking his fist and screaming "I'll get you next time Sting, next time!!"
Funny sidebar: an MMA league (Bellator) tried stealing this gimmick. TITO ORTIZ.....this man is from your PAST....do you know who THIS MAN IS and it was some huge samoan dude wearing a mask with fish nets over it. He took it off and literally, not one person in the crowd knew WTF it was. It went over like a wet turd in church. Look it up. They boosted it for sure from black scorpion!
Nigel McGuinness should bring back the black Scorpion gimmick as a magician/wrestler.
It’s amazing how the WWF was able to really do the supernatural stuff with the Undertaker so well while WCW crapped the bed with the Black Scorpion
This whole angle was bollocks, I love it.
I have a total "Mandela effect" thing about this reveal being very different.
So what was your memory of it?
Heyman acting his heart out, and I'm just looking at the cartoon duck sweater of the woman behind JR.
Anyone else find “Sting’s Mum” weirdly attractive? 😍
No. You're the only one, Darby.
Wow and Vince Mchman did the same thing with the “Higher Power” angle” with Steve Austin in 98’. Weird.
I'm starting to accept that you guys pronouncing it "Oh-LAY" instead of "OH-lee" is intentional. 😂
OMG The Black Scorpion is the Shockmaster! 😱🤣
The worst thing about the Black Scorpion is that a couple of weeks later an ageing short haired old man Ric LUCKS his way into regaining the World title. It does nothing for business, it cuts short what should have ben a year long title reign for Sting ending in loss to Lex Luger. and to top it all off Flair now admits he was having a breakdown and was in no state to be champion. plus who could cheer Flair as a patriotic American against Fujinami, or take El Gigante seriously as a World title challenger?
It was, of course Ole Anderson 's dumb idea to put the belt back on Flair at a time when everyone was Sick of him.
I think having his mom would have been brilliant.,..also, the Price Is Right sound when Ultimate Warrior said he didn't need life insurance made me laugh til I cried 😂
Jim and Paul are clearly working.
Y'all are marks.
... and I love you for it!
The angle was going well back in the day, though now I recognize Ole's voice now that you tell me. Didn't know that before.
It really wasn't until the pointless reveal, as you say.
Flair did cut his hair for this angle, so the short hair itself wouldn't have been a give away.
Sting did the woo back then, pretty sure the woos from the crowd were pro-Sting.
Hey, was one of his henchman that Angel of Death guy you mentioned?
At the time the story was it was supposed to be Paul Orndorff, but Mr. Wonderful left the company just before the reveal. That might have worked.
I feel like the reputation of the angle feels like people who say the Shockmaster was a bad angle, when we never saw the actual angle, because of the stumble.
Remember this like it was yesterday,the memories of staying up till 3-4 am channel 4 😂
When the Black Scorpion first appeared with his " clues " i.e. Tulsa, Los Angeles '86 on the beach sounded like a gay jilted lover to me....
On the beach, think about it...🍆
Yesssss! I have been waiting for this!
The black scorpion shouldve been someone completely out of nowhere. Shame it wasnt someone like jake roberts or someone who left the wwf at the time.Had this been done right it couldve been huge.
The original "It was me all along Austin".