Daleks' Invasion Earth Movie Commentary ft Richard Bignell
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Our very special guest is Richard Bignell, who curates The Collection blu ray archive material and publishes the peerless Doctor Who research magazine Nothing at the End of the Lane. Alongside him the brilliant Doctor Who Magazine researcher and 3D illustrator Rhys Williams, plus Jon Green and Gavin Rymill.
When I was nine years old my family visited relatives in England. My parents were sci-fi fans and trailers for _Dalek Invasion Earth 2150 AD_ were airing, and we certainly knew of Peter Cushing, so figuring we didn't know if the film would come to America, we went to see it. It made me a lifelong fan of Daleks, and the concept of the TARDIS. A few years later I learned _Doctor Who_ was a TV program, and in the 1970s the Tom Baker era began on commercial TV, so when _Genesis of the Daleks_ began airing I was in heaven.
I still have a strong place in my heart for this film.
The Dalek that emerges from the Thames didn’t have an operator. Originally the prop was mounted to some railway tracks set up by the film crew. This was all done during low tide where they then waited for the water to flow in and completely submerge the Dalek prop.
The whole thing was then pulled along the tracks by a cable.
What i hadn't realised was when Bernard Cribbins is carrying "Susan" (when the girders collapse) is that on the wall behind them is a poster of a Dalek. First time ive spotted that, so your right, you do see new things 😀
It looks like a platform
Need to see that was it on this video or there a pic online? Might need to catch it by watching it again
I cant see it?
Huh, I never thought it looked like a Dalek before. Took me a few minutes of looking at it but then I saw the resemblance. I believe it's actually of the Brandenburg Gate though. :)
Even Daleks like to make propaganda art posters. :D
In one of Nation’s earlier drafts, the Daleks motives for moving the Earth was that the Daleks sought to go on a journey far across the universe to an unspecified destination. Earth would serve as an Ark with its atmosphere maintained by Dalek technology, in order for the Daleks to mass produce food.
Earth would also serve as a generation ship, with each generation of Daleks replaced by the new.
Living in the US, this movie was our only exposure to Dr. Who(it used to featured as a Sat. afternoon movie from time to time on TV) until the show was picked up by a couple of Independent TV stations in the late 70's then later shown on Public Broadcasting Stations in the 80's.
I didn’t realise how many “exterior” shots were actually shot in the studio. Totally agree with the commentary that the lighting is spot on.
Saw it in the cinema a few weeks ago! So close I could feel their fire... Even in a heatwave!
That original DWM 'Time Team' was hilarious! My all-time favourite was Clayton describing Alpha Centauri as 'a cock in a cape'. That still makes me giggle like a loon. 🤣🤣
Probably everyone knows this, but Thomson was played by the guy who played the Xenomorph in Alien for some of the stuntshots.
Thank you chaps, this is just what this insomniac needed tonight! 🤖🇬🇧
Coincidentally, I only discovered this evening that Peter Cushing plays a student in Laurel & Hardy 'A chump at Oxford'
Best wishes from a French forest. 🌞
EDIT: I just did a quick search and he is in fact credited as playing Student #5
I just watched that recently and noticed that too!
1:29:03 There's Phillip Madoc of Brain of Morbius fame, playing Brockley, whose name I always misheard as Brocolli.
My favourite actor to have appeared in Doctor Who as a supporting cast member.
interesting fact: the electronic music and sound effects for both dalek movies were produced by barry gray, who composed music for the gerry anderson supermarionation shows at the time Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D came out.
While it's possible that the charred wood was salvage from a "real world" fire, it's a lot more likely that it was salvaged from a previous Shepperton set which was used in a fire scene.
When a producer hired a "full service" studio like Shepperton at the time they had the free run of the props store, scene dock etc. That's why so many props, dressings and pieces of set reappear in multiple productions - their use was part of the all-in price of hiring the studio facilities.
That's part of the reason also why "locations" in the studio grounds appear so often. There were no extra location costs, which stack up fast.
Anyone noticed the big thick cables leading to the Daleks that explode when Wyler drives into them?
My favourite lines are near the beginning.
Susan: "Maybe it's Sunday."
Tom: "Couse it's not Sunday, I'm playing football Sunday."
I love Tom's login, on Sunday he is playing football, he is clearly not playing football, ergo it's not Sunday.
"That bald guy" is Keith Marsh, a very familiar face and regular in various TV sitcoms.
He also had a part in Quatermass and the Pit.
Hope to see that a private collector who previously worked at the BBC has an unlabled Compact Cassette with the lost Peter Cushing Dr. Who radio pilot somewhere. (34:09)
When is Big Finish gonna do a 'Man With Carrier Bag' spin off?
I would love to see more Terry Nation Dalek stories as stand alone films. Imagine seeing something like Death to the Daleks or Day of the Daleks as a full feature film with appropriate budget and production values. They would have to be made faithful to Nation's original vision, not some awful reimagined to be "reflective of the world as it is today" BS.
I know you were joking but yes, Peter Cushing's At the Earths Core IS indeed the 3rd Dr Who movie! This was a great listen in conjunction with the long anticipated rewatch - had to wait a while to let the cinema trip and subsequent obsession die down a bit. Nice one, it's true - you can't mesmerise me - I'm British;)
What an excellent listen!! Loved all of it....Purple dalek! craddock dies sooner etc the information given is vast! I love the robomen in this movie so much so I created my own. I personally love the Roboman comic sketch and feel that it would be a real shame if it wasn't in the film. Thank you for all the information! (I do hope the saucer is found). I hope you don't mind but I have shared this post onto my roboman page as I feel the people that follow me would appreciate this commentary.
If the daleks had lasers instead of fire extinguishers it would be a perfect film!
They were originally going to be flamethrowers I believe!
Also, I like the way the doors are just free standing against the black background, as it has a other dimensions quality going on.
They had some technical problem with doing it on film. A shame, as the BBC's mixture of the negative light, the sinister flickering gun and the blast of compressed air noise was excellent.
SHAME ABOUT LASERS - BUT YOU GOT TO VERY CAREFUL USING CO2 AND GETTING IN THE WAY OF IT
I'd been waiting for this one & you didn't disappoint. Good stuff lads, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
I heard once in a Documentary of these films that originally the film makers planned on making a series of Dalek movies. But because this film didn’t do as well as they hoped. The studio instead scrapped the idea.
The third one would have been an adaption of The Chase.
@@diverguy3556 I don’t know. I heard they would have likely started making original stories.
@@georgeowain I don't know either, I heard it was The Chase. Perhaps some more enlightened fellow can solve this issue?
@@diverguy3556 Ah no. That's just a very, very old and very very untrue fan rumour - along with the third film being an adaption of The Keys of Marinus and The Daleks' Master Plan. It's been mentioned so often that people think it's true.
@@georgeowain Subotsky did enquire about making a third Amicus film, but that wasn't until 1984 and, as we've recently found out, would have involved shoehorning in two Doctors into a pre-existing but unmade script featuring giant crabs.
There is no better piece of sci fi media, fight me.
Eddie Powell was famously one of the stunt men on Alien (1979), he played the alien when it was hanging up in the 'rafters' so to speak in the landing leg room when Brett meets his demise.
I believe he was also in the suit when the we see the alien in the airt shaft when Dallas swings his light around, and also when it's being ejected out of the shuttle hatch at the end, as well as when it's finally despatched when Ripley starts the engines.
I finally got around to watching/listening to this. I was using the iTunes version which for some reason opens with the credits and moves Tom stumbling into the Tardis to afterwards so I had to jump around a bit during that. It’s not even a very well done edit as when Tom passes out you can briefly hear the start of the Dalek control room sound effect from the first film that precedes the start of the credits music.
It’s great to hear you all like this film more. For some reason I always assumed most people liked the first one best, although now I think about it, I’m not sure why I decided that, other than perhaps because this one didn’t get a sequel I assumed it was less well liked.
I’ll also say this again, until I started watching your RUclips channel, I had no idea this film was shot almost entirely on the backlot. It’s so well done that I never even realised things like the Tardis landing point was a set! In a way, I’m surprised that as a “big budget movie” they didn’t try to recreate some of the iconic shots of Daleks in iconic London locations like Nelson’s Column.
Crash helmet with heating thermostat attached to it.
The sound of saucer flight. When continental coaches with air con drove by. It gave off the same noise
These commentaries are very relaxing.
Overdubbing an entire actor's lines with another actor used to be more common, even for roles which weren't tiny. If some of their lines needed re-recording for extraneous sound etc the actor may not have been available and so all their lines were replaced. Now, it's not unusual to have an actor re-record lines remotely on the other side of the world.
Trailers in the 1960s were more likely than now to use clips of alternate takes because of the cost of film duping and the degradation in image quality that would entail. A detailed examination of a finished film versus a trailer often throws up anomalies. Those are less obvious in straight dramas where alternate takes are likely to look superficially more similar than in a film with challenging action and effects. Optical effects used to take a lot longer to perfect than now and the trailer often had to be cut before they were ready. It wasn't uncommon to have unfinished effects shots in a trailer. Trailers also often had to be completed before the final cut of a film so shots which were excluded from the finished film altogether at a late stage sometimes appeared in trailers.
When Channel 4 showed it they usually put the titles first then the robbery into the TARDIS opening scene
And Daleks have a form of OCD they have repeat phrases over and over they have little movement rituals and big signs everywhere to reinforce what they are
Funny , my opinion of the film is quite different to yours, I remember I saw a reshowing of the two films in Derby about 20 years ago. The first film, the audience were laughing and many places throughout but at unintentionally funny moments. While for this film it was more sedate with the film trying far more to be funny but with most of the jokes falling flat. I will have to give the films another watch.
Where can I find the original screenplay? Especially the draft one
Robotization was one of the reasons why Dr Who (BBC Original) frightened the life out of me.
The Robinlinermen were way less scary.
The ship was also used in a film the body snatchers you see it at the end as it declokes and glows green
Watched this film two days ago for the first time in probably over a decade. This was my first experience of Doctor Who iirc.
Excellent, thanks so much
Little attempt to disguise the internal size of the Tardis prop in the scene where they land in the bombed out location. The windows in the TV series were either frosted or over-lit.
Is this going to dematerialize like the last one ? 🙃
Also when is someone going to explain what Eric Sykes was doing in this film? 25:09
RIP Bernard.
How do you submit an idea for an episode? I've got a few breadcrumbs for Genesis of the Daleks that could be an interesting episode for your series
Our email address should be in the "about" section
You know Gators in the sewers would have been the least of the characters concern. In an earlier draft of Nation’s TV script, while hiding in the sewers. David would warn Susan that when the Daleks first unleashed their plagues upon the planet to diminish the populace. Some humans fled in to the sewers to escape contamination.
Over the years of remaining there, they would revert to a more savage and cannibalism state of mind, where they had lost their linguistic skills and communicated by a primitive form of sign language.
The two would be captured by a few and were about to be stabbed to death when Tyler; renamed Wyler in the film. Would come to their rescue.
Kinda sucks that the sewer sequence was cut from the movie version of The Dalek Invasion of Earth. (36:33, 37:10, 38:49)
What are the little black boxes(sometimes silver) hidden under the lower rear collar on the back of the skirt for. An external switch for the electronics or a mount for the internal seat belt. Nearly all the props have it Including the stunt props.
So far, we haven’t worked it out. But we keep looking!
If it weren't for Sunday movies on TV, most Americans wouldn't have seen a Dalek. I became aware of them through the movies, as we didn't have doctor who on TV until PBS picked it up in the early 1980s, and even then, they were totally out of sequence, leaving us to wonder why the doctor kept changing ...lol...
Think the body in the river is in the original Hartnell version?
I was so happy to find the music score to the two Cushing movies recently .. The Daley’s reveal in this film with the sassy, and jazzy tones was epic!
One of the things I`ve wondered about in the death of "Broccoli" scene is where the engine nacelles from a WW1 era bomber (from a Vickers Vimy) that are located beside the shed came from.
Unless they happen to be replicas, perhaps from a film about aviation pioneers Alcock and Brown those things must have been lying about the studio since some time in the 1920s and were actually museum pieces by the time the film was made. Wonder what happened to them afterwards?
Watch the third Terry Nation Army video, "Shepperton Secrets" for some information about those engines.
the guy in the wheel chair reminds me just slightly of east enders brannon bad boy derek
Anyone else but me think Cushing looked pretty bad ass in the roboman uniform? Like the Doctor became a sith jedi from hell or something.
I think this movie timeline should have been 2000, not 2154 or whatever. Akin to when the Fourth Doctor said "the dalek invasion of the earth in the year 2000 was foiled...."
Plus I could see this wrecked london being in 2000. I could picture the old cars just being some vintage models the rebels were able to find. IF I were the Daleks, I'd have used EMP weapons, and cripple the Earth's electronics.....hence the rebels NEEDING to unearth the really OLD cars and equipment.
Love this channel
Watched this in the cinema, didn't like the 'human' Doctor Who ( or the fact he was literally called that), hated the smoke guns, but otherwise it was pretty faithful to the TV version
You have to remember that the Doctor's whole timelord backstory wasn't known until 1969. Before then we weren't really sure who or what he was. Just that he was a strange old man who had built a time machine.
The folly cave is a hermit's cave. Some would have real hermits living in them, albeit paid by the lord of the manor! Victorians... bonkers.
At 14:18, the character's name is "Louise", not "Barbara". Why didn't anyone correct him?
Because, as stated, what I'm talking about at that point was in the *original* script that featured Barbara, not the final filmed version. 🙂
@@endofthelane1
But you're watching the final film version and still calling her "Barbara", when her name is "Louise". it seems that Jennie Linden who played Barbara in "Dr. Who and the Daleks" was not available to be in the second film. As a result, Jill Curzon took on the role of Dr. Who’s niece, Louise, in “Daleks’ Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.”
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It’s all yooff culture with the boy with The Knack. (See film) knife crime
The saucer I heard ended up in Italy and was crushed and ended up in 2 halves.
Bignell, put me to sleep
Fantastic the best
maybe Jill Curzon just wasn't all that good in this one - she only acted for about 6-7 years and not that many roles
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