Would you recommend these readers for a project that is reading the difference between two different pets, wearing the rfid tags on their collars? I'm making a project where I want to be able to passively read the difference between two pets to open and close a food bowl. The rfid reader would be somewhere near the bowl that is going to be opening and closing. Do you believe that these rfid readers would be able to read a moving entity that is at a range of 45 cm away from the reader? If not, is this project even possible using rfid? I've been debating between bluetooth and rfid but I really like the idea of having a passive tag.
THANK YOU. Was trying to find a wider range RFID reader. Hard to find it for some reason. So PN5180. Ordering it now and going to test it with my new design. Caught me right before I sold myself on a design.
READY TO JOIN PATRION, but first... Hello, I am in the Philippines & just getting started with all this. I just bought an Arduino Uno (with 3.3v) and 5 RC522 rfid sets. This video is a bit old, so before I sign up on your patrion, I would like to make sure, will I be able to use the code with 5 RFID RC522 on my Uno? I know $10 doesn't seem like a lot there, but here that's 1 days wages, So it's better to check first if I can do what I need to before I spend so much. Thank you
Good Information. As you mentioned in Titel "Long-range RFID", but the PN5180-NFC sensor only communicate with NFC tags, is it possible to use same sensor for RFID ? Thank you
@20.12, Had figure out why my sensor does not work, indeed the PN5180 need 5V from the ESP32 vin pin. The PN5180 library did not mention this in the example code.
Hello, thank you very much, I was able to successfully read the tag but I got a ridiculous range of 10cm. The level shifter and every thing works well. I have 3 iso15693 tags which have different range
@@joshuaolakanla3993 thank you so much for your answer. Which reader did you end up going with? I'm currently trying the Sparkfun Simultaneous RFID reader, which is UHF. It's okay but not perfect for my application.
Hi. I am wanting to use the pn5180 board and arduino uno to create a feeder that only feeds one of our calves. I can't find the small sticker tags that you can get for the PN532. The cattle have ear tags by law and I was hoping to use a sticker tag stuck onto the ear tag. Have you seen these available?
Couldn't the Rest wires also be commoned? In fact for something like this you could possibly common the busy lines as well although I've not looked at the PN5180 datasheet yet.
I wonder if it's worth doing a video on converting SPI (and other serial protocols) to/from RS485 so it can be sent over very long Ethernet cables, depending on data rate SPI can be quite limited on how far you can reliably send it and using RS485 makes best use of the twisted pair cable. there's very easy/cheap to use RS485TTL converters available from the usual suspects.
great video ...it is my first time watching your channel..i am very surprised by the way you are explaining things..you are a great man. Just once you were explaining the code..the screen was not enough clear to see the code. over all..it is a perfect achievement .God bless you.
Thank you SO much for making the PN5180 library! How does it handle collisions (multiple tags?) I actually have a few of the boards lying around since your last video on it, but I couldn't get more than basic testing working. Maybe I should get back to tinkering with them taking hints from this video.
Hey man, cool video. Do you know any anti-metal tags that can read through a metal table ? ones I bought work only on metal surface. Want to place the PN5180 under a metal table.
I'm pretty sure all the RFID technologies I'm familiar with would not work if attempted through a metal surface - it requires electromagnetic coupling which is achieved through a tuned antenna, and the metallic surface would interfere with that. It's possible that an active RF transmitter at a suitable frequency might work, but that would obviously require battery power in the portable part of your prop.
Hi man, love the video! I have a quick question- are your rfid tags 125kHz or 13.5mHz? I have some capsule tags (EM4102 chip) that work at 125kHz, just wondering if i could use a setup like this with them ... Thanks in advance! (Sorry if its a duplicate question)
Hi! Great video & Very usefull! Are in store some rfid Capsul or microRfid that can be detect via rc522 o p5180? all the capsul (named microchip dog's ecc) seems work in 124-134.2 KHz with UART EM4100 (like RDM6300). And this product work only one for arduino without possibility to array them in 4 or 5 sensor in a row..
I have some tiny capsule RFIDs that are 13.56MHz and work with ISO14443 readers (i.e. like the common MFRC-522 sensors). I haven't seen any that are ISO15693 compatible though.
In my experience, those rings are pretty useless because the metal of the ring interferes with the antenna of the RFID chip itself... I've only ever been able to get read range of a few mm too.
Great video! - Thanks! you've used RJ45 breakout boards to carry the signal lines to the ESP32, I wonder, what is the maximum range you can go with the cable without losing the signal quality ?
This is cool for reading the UIDs. But I would really like to see an example where blocks are written to (and read again). I am struggling to understand the documentation on this.
Thanks. Let’s say you have a bunch of cards that you want to be readable by multiple readers without having to program in the UID of each card for each reader. You would want to write a block of bytes to each card with its name, so that any reader could read the card without having to know its UID, and also worn out cards could be replaced without having to reprogram the reader.
You would need to have a device with 3 more pins, for NSS, BUSY and RST. (The SPI lines are shared). (If you don't have spare pins you can buy port expanders). Then in Alistair's code you change the number of devices, and specify the pin numbers in the nfc array
You always have such joyful projects and in depth coverage. While its a shame the code and things now has to be behind a paywall, I think that you have at least demonstrated enough information where a person on a low income could replicate the project with what you have provided and a little research and study and have managed to strike a great balance between the new and the old methods. I think you have and continue to be of great service to others and can also get some wages for your dedicated work. I still find the channel fantastic and your uplifting demeanor and fun projects really make this channel a joy!
Awesome video as always! I have some questions.. Is there a way to adjust the reader sensitivity like in the mfrc522 library? I am worried that the reader might be too sensitive in some applications- having readers too close together could cause problems I assume for some puzzle setups! Also, do both the 5v and 3.3v need to be connected for the module to work? Lastly, I think it would be better for most escape room puzzles to have an automatic reset as opposed to having a dedicated reset card. Automatically resetting after all of the cards have been removed is something I struggled with when making some mfrc522 puzzles because the library allows the reader to detect when a new tag is present, but doesn't have a function for detecting when a tag is removed. Is this something you have tried using the mfrc522 or pn5180 modules?
You can detect if a tag was removed by polling the reader and comparing to the last reading, if the last read was an ID and the current read is nothing, you know the card was removed. He shows the code for this at 50:49 Resetting automatically has the drawback that players can reset it themselves, which might be unwanted. But when this doesnt matter its definitely the simplest option!
Hi Johann, I am having the same issue. I have figured out that the blue chips I received are of the type of ISO14443 instead of ISO15693 which are not what the library and example code are written for. I am curious if you ever found a good solution. Thanks!
As @TheKsbdude said, the PN5180 is capable of decoding both ISO15693 and ISO14443 tags, and they normally come supplied with one of each type - I only demonstrate the ISO15693 in this video, because if you only want to use the shorter-range ISO14443 there's plenty of examples using the cheaper MFRC-522 boards instead.
@@JohannFritz78 So I had a miss configured GPIO. I used the PN5180-ReadUID.ino to check each reader and found I had one that was incorrect. I have a 30-pin ESP as well so makes it more challenging. I'm getting the correct ones now but still want to learn by troubleshooting this one. Hope that helps.
Hi, Thanx for yet another inspiring and very detailed video :) Can you please elaborate on the amount of wires in the Ethernet cable? You have wired 9 wires from the PN5180 and there are only 8 wires in the Ethernet cable? Thanks in advance and happy new year! - BR. Martin from DK
I wondered this too but it looks like there is a separate 9th wire, presumably GND, going to each of the readers ;) Maybe you can use shielded JR45 connectors and connect the shield to GND, then you get away with just one cable.
Hi @@mazemakes , I believe I saw it too, but hoped it to be wrong :) I was wandering if only 5V could be supplied (and not also 3,3V) and then use the 5V for 5V (of cource) and a stepdown resistor (? ohm) at the PN5180 module side (or a specific stepdown module) for the 3.3V input. Then 8 wires are enough, without going with the shielded wire... :-)
@@mazemakes Hi, Yep you are right :) I wasnt aware of that. I have read a little about it since your post. Maybe setting 2 resistors up as a voltage divider, where the PN5180 specs determine the mA and thereby the resistors? I found some specs specifying 250 mA as max and limiting value 300 mA. So if 250 mA is max and 5V, the total resistors will be 20 ohms. Then the resistors ratio must be 3,3V/5V = 0,66. Giving R1 = 20 ohms x 0,66 = 13,2 ohms and R2 = 20 ohms - 13,2 ohms = 6,8 ohms. Is that correct?
@@martinrydahlpedersen8884 that would not work sadly, you can use a voltage divider to change signal levels, but not for powering something. Just get a regulator, for example a 1117-3.3. there are even ready made little "step down" modules that make it really easy to use!
Excellent video! Detailed and informative. Well done!
Hey Good Job Playful Technology and I Have a question can we make this setup with multiple rfid tags (reading 5-10 tags at the same time) ?
Would you recommend these readers for a project that is reading the difference between two different pets, wearing the rfid tags on their collars? I'm making a project where I want to be able to passively read the difference between two pets to open and close a food bowl. The rfid reader would be somewhere near the bowl that is going to be opening and closing. Do you believe that these rfid readers would be able to read a moving entity that is at a range of 45 cm away from the reader? If not, is this project even possible using rfid? I've been debating between bluetooth and rfid but I really like the idea of having a passive tag.
Nice video again.
What do you use as a power supply for the different voltages? Which kind do you prefer or recommend?
Merry Christmas 🎄
THANK YOU. Was trying to find a wider range RFID reader. Hard to find it for some reason. So PN5180. Ordering it now and going to test it with my new design. Caught me right before I sold myself on a design.
I love your videos!! I always lean so much about elections when I watch them. And besides, I love seeing how things work!! Thank you so much!!!
READY TO JOIN PATRION, but first...
Hello, I am in the Philippines & just getting started with all this.
I just bought an Arduino Uno (with 3.3v) and 5 RC522 rfid sets.
This video is a bit old, so before I sign up on your patrion, I would like to make sure, will I be able to use the code with 5 RFID RC522 on my Uno?
I know $10 doesn't seem like a lot there, but here that's 1 days wages, So it's better to check first if I can do what I need to before I spend so much.
Thank you
Is their any way that i can send data receive data from under water esp32
Good Information. As you mentioned in Titel "Long-range RFID", but the PN5180-NFC sensor only communicate with NFC tags, is it possible to use same sensor for RFID ?
Thank you
@20.12, Had figure out why my sensor does not work, indeed the PN5180 need 5V from the ESP32 vin pin. The PN5180 library did not mention this in the example code.
Hello, thank you very much, I was able to successfully read the tag but I got a ridiculous range of 10cm. The level shifter and every thing works well. I have 3 iso15693 tags which have different range
I have exactly this issue and absolutely nothing I do resolves it. Did you ever figure it out?
@@kccr37 no not at all. There was really no solution. I had to buy a UHF reader. I was able to get 5M read rangs
@@joshuaolakanla3993 thank you so much for your answer. Which reader did you end up going with? I'm currently trying the Sparkfun Simultaneous RFID reader, which is UHF. It's okay but not perfect for my application.
Hi. I am wanting to use the pn5180 board and arduino uno to create a feeder that only feeds one of our calves. I can't find the small sticker tags that you can get for the PN532. The cattle have ear tags by law and I was hoping to use a sticker tag stuck onto the ear tag. Have you seen these available?
I have found that the sensors will work on 3.3V and don't need the 5V. YMMV
hello, where can i find the PN5180 library for fritzing?
How are you? The content is very good. Is it possible to share the pinout/connection diagram?
Couldn't the Rest wires also be commoned? In fact for something like this you could possibly common the busy lines as well although I've not looked at the PN5180 datasheet yet.
I wonder if it's worth doing a video on converting SPI (and other serial protocols) to/from RS485 so it can be sent over very long Ethernet cables, depending on data rate SPI can be quite limited on how far you can reliably send it and using RS485 makes best use of the twisted pair cable. there's very easy/cheap to use RS485TTL converters available from the usual suspects.
I want to develop a UHF RFID application but they are very expensive
hello, can you maybe help me with a simple code to use with an esp32 and the connection diagram?
Is there any manual or library for the MP3 reader? :) I can't found it :/
Hey, i have the problem that my mfrc522 reader read the card a few times and then stop working. I have to reset the whole thing. Any idea?
Great!
great video ...it is my first time watching your channel..i am very surprised by the way you are explaining things..you are a great man.
Just once you were explaining the code..the screen was not enough clear to see the code.
over all..it is a perfect achievement .God bless you.
Thank you SO much for making the PN5180 library! How does it handle collisions (multiple tags?) I actually have a few of the boards lying around since your last video on it, but I couldn't get more than basic testing working. Maybe I should get back to tinkering with them taking hints from this video.
Hey man, cool video. Do you know any anti-metal tags that can read through a metal table ? ones I bought work only on metal surface. Want to place the PN5180 under a metal table.
I'm pretty sure all the RFID technologies I'm familiar with would not work if attempted through a metal surface - it requires electromagnetic coupling which is achieved through a tuned antenna, and the metallic surface would interfere with that. It's possible that an active RF transmitter at a suitable frequency might work, but that would obviously require battery power in the portable part of your prop.
@@PlayfulTechnology okay, thanks a lot.
Hi man, love the video! I have a quick question- are your rfid tags 125kHz or 13.5mHz? I have some capsule tags (EM4102 chip) that work at 125kHz, just wondering if i could use a setup like this with them ... Thanks in advance! (Sorry if its a duplicate question)
All ISO15693 tags operate at 13.56MHz
Hi! Great video & Very usefull! Are in store some rfid Capsul or microRfid that can be detect via rc522 o p5180? all the capsul (named microchip dog's ecc) seems work in 124-134.2 KHz with UART EM4100 (like RDM6300). And this product work only one for arduino without possibility to array them in 4 or 5 sensor in a row..
I have some tiny capsule RFIDs that are 13.56MHz and work with ISO14443 readers (i.e. like the common MFRC-522 sensors). I haven't seen any that are ISO15693 compatible though.
Do you know how good the PN5180 can detect RFID/NFC rings? I used a PN532 and it could only read it if it was virtually touching.
In my experience, those rings are pretty useless because the metal of the ring interferes with the antenna of the RFID chip itself... I've only ever been able to get read range of a few mm too.
Great video! - Thanks!
you've used RJ45 breakout boards to carry the signal lines to the ESP32,
I wonder, what is the maximum range you can go with the cable without losing the signal quality ?
I've got 3.3V over Cat5 running 20m. Haven't tested beyond that.
This is cool for reading the UIDs. But I would really like to see an example where blocks are written to (and read again). I am struggling to understand the documentation on this.
Oh sure, I can show that. Do you have a particular application in mind to use as an example?
Thanks. Let’s say you have a bunch of cards that you want to be readable by multiple readers without having to program in the UID of each card for each reader. You would want to write a block of bytes to each card with its name, so that any reader could read the card without having to know its UID, and also worn out cards could be replaced without having to reprogram the reader.
Wow Reall cool... if i want to have more than 4 RFID, how do I connect them? TQ. Merry Christmas
You would need to have a device with 3 more pins, for NSS, BUSY and RST. (The SPI lines are shared). (If you don't have spare pins you can buy port expanders). Then in Alistair's code you change the number of devices, and specify the pin numbers in the nfc array
You always have such joyful projects and in depth coverage. While its a shame the code and things now has to be behind a paywall, I think that you have at least demonstrated enough information where a person on a low income could replicate the project with what you have provided and a little research and study and have managed to strike a great balance between the new and the old methods. I think you have and continue to be of great service to others and can also get some wages for your dedicated work. I still find the channel fantastic and your uplifting demeanor and fun projects really make this channel a joy!
wdym paywall it is all on his github
(which I think is amazing that he does this for free knowing that escape room operators might use it for profit)
Awesome video as always! I have some questions..
Is there a way to adjust the reader sensitivity like in the mfrc522 library? I am worried that the reader might be too sensitive in some applications- having readers too close together could cause problems I assume for some puzzle setups!
Also, do both the 5v and 3.3v need to be connected for the module to work?
Lastly, I think it would be better for most escape room puzzles to have an automatic reset as opposed to having a dedicated reset card. Automatically resetting after all of the cards have been removed is something I struggled with when making some mfrc522 puzzles because the library allows the reader to detect when a new tag is present, but doesn't have a function for detecting when a tag is removed. Is this something you have tried using the mfrc522 or pn5180 modules?
You can detect if a tag was removed by polling the reader and comparing to the last reading, if the last read was an ID and the current read is nothing, you know the card was removed. He shows the code for this at 50:49
Resetting automatically has the drawback that players can reset it themselves, which might be unwanted. But when this doesnt matter its definitely the simplest option!
Only the white cards RFID card works. The blue key chain RFID card does not work. Any idea how to make it work, please?
Hi Johann, I am having the same issue. I have figured out that the blue chips I received are of the type of ISO14443 instead of ISO15693 which are not what the library and example code are written for. I am curious if you ever found a good solution. Thanks!
As @TheKsbdude said, the PN5180 is capable of decoding both ISO15693 and ISO14443 tags, and they normally come supplied with one of each type - I only demonstrate the ISO15693 in this video, because if you only want to use the shorter-range ISO14443 there's plenty of examples using the cheaper MFRC-522 boards instead.
Hope you can help. I get the following error when trying to run your code:
*** FATAL: Reading more than 508 bytes is not supported!
did you get a resolution to this error? I'm getting the same.
@@mytholibarG No, I did not. Please let us know if you find a solution.
@@JohannFritz78 So I had a miss configured GPIO. I used the PN5180-ReadUID.ino to check each reader and found I had one that was incorrect. I have a 30-pin ESP as well so makes it more challenging. I'm getting the correct ones now but still want to learn by troubleshooting this one. Hope that helps.
Hi, Thanx for yet another inspiring and very detailed video :) Can you please elaborate on the amount of wires in the Ethernet cable? You have wired 9 wires from the PN5180 and there are only 8 wires in the Ethernet cable? Thanks in advance and happy new year! - BR. Martin from DK
I wondered this too but it looks like there is a separate 9th wire, presumably GND, going to each of the readers ;) Maybe you can use shielded JR45 connectors and connect the shield to GND, then you get away with just one cable.
Hi @@mazemakes , I believe I saw it too, but hoped it to be wrong :) I was wandering if only 5V could be supplied (and not also 3,3V) and then use the 5V for 5V (of cource) and a stepdown resistor (? ohm) at the PN5180 module side (or a specific stepdown module) for the 3.3V input. Then 8 wires are enough, without going with the shielded wire... :-)
@@musereden a resistor does not step down the voltage, it limits current. But you could use a voltage regulator no problem in this scenario :)
@@mazemakes
Hi, Yep you are right :) I wasnt aware of that. I have read a little about it since your post.
Maybe setting 2 resistors up as a voltage divider, where the PN5180 specs determine the mA and thereby the resistors? I found some specs specifying 250 mA as max and limiting value 300 mA. So if 250 mA is max and 5V, the total resistors will be 20 ohms. Then the resistors ratio must be 3,3V/5V = 0,66. Giving R1 = 20 ohms x 0,66 = 13,2 ohms and R2 = 20 ohms - 13,2 ohms = 6,8 ohms.
Is that correct?
@@martinrydahlpedersen8884 that would not work sadly, you can use a voltage divider to change signal levels, but not for powering something. Just get a regulator, for example a 1117-3.3. there are even ready made little "step down" modules that make it really easy to use!