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  • Oldham My Dirty Old Town

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  • @JamesNewton-ye4gr
    @JamesNewton-ye4gr 2 месяца назад +2

    Just goes to show you, I'm from the neighbouring town Ashton-u-Lyne, but have lived in Australia since the mid 60's, and never knew Oldham had so many mills in it's heyday!

  • @СветланаЮдина-п4я
    @СветланаЮдина-п4я Месяц назад +1

    Музыка великолепная! Мурашки по коже! Настоящая ирландская музыка!

  • @LindaKing-nq6ut
    @LindaKing-nq6ut Год назад +3

    Nostalgic look at my place of birth..so many familiar names …Ferranti,Platts,Hollinwood + many more…Grandad worked in the coal mine,Mum went to work in the cotton mill at 14… remember Daisy Nook & Alexandra Park…many memories still, even though we emigrated to 🇨🇦when I was 5….thanks for this retrospective,brought a few tears to my eyes I must say

  • @СветланаЮдина-м2й
    @СветланаЮдина-м2й 6 лет назад +17

    Thank you so much! I am from Russia, but my English teacher is from Oldham.He is very pleasant and wonderful young man. I respect him very much...Now he works in Moscow. God bless him,his parents,brother and all relatives!!! God bless you, Oldham!!!( Because you gave a birth of such nice people like my dear teacher!!!)

  • @elainebmack
    @elainebmack 12 лет назад +15

    Dear Alan Walkden. What a great, great video! I learned so much in less than 8 minutes. We Americans tend to think of all Brits as snooty colonialists /or superior in some way, but not so. I look at the faces of those men, women, and young children who should have been in school, working in bare feet, and I get a much better sense of the tough lives of the working class of your country at that time. Thanks for the education!

  • @lindsaypeterholden2701
    @lindsaypeterholden2701 7 лет назад +7

    I was Born in Boundary Park 1951,Dad born, Pit St. Glodwick 1922.He would have been proud to see this great vid.Very well done.sadly died 2 years ago.he would go to Town every week rain or shine up till 2015.Always loved it,and hated to hear anyone call the place.oh dear what happened,still you can't take away the memmories Loved Billingtons and of course,The Latics.He worked in the Mills from 1937.and walked home to Denshaw,from Grains Bar, where the Trams terminated. Also got on the train from Glodwick road station,and the H Bus Home.My God.Thanks.

  • @ronaldgriffiths1524
    @ronaldgriffiths1524 10 лет назад +22

    I was born in Oldham and found this little piece moving.The dark satanic mills are gone. The dark satanic scars remain.

    • @mustafabaseir5487
      @mustafabaseir5487 9 лет назад +3

      Ronald Griffiths I went to Oldham's Tech . Now Ido live in the Sudan . I am an associate prof of process engg .

    • @apj1480
      @apj1480 6 лет назад +2

      Ronald Griffiths born in Oldham now I live in the wild west. Always a Lancashire lass.

    • @peytonoldham7984
      @peytonoldham7984 4 года назад

      Yup I gave up satanism.

    • @Derek0846
      @Derek0846 4 года назад

      There are a lot of dark things running around Oldham today that are a lot worse than whatever was around in the old days.

    • @SPIKE-0000
      @SPIKE-0000 3 года назад +1

      And now we have a dark satanic government trying to inject graphene into us....

  • @stu.birchall.1466
    @stu.birchall.1466 9 лет назад +13

    I'm from wigan me but it's sad to see how all the towns have gone to shit now especially all the northern traditional towns like wigan rochdale bolton Oldham etc times were hard I can imagine when these photos were taken but I would much rather have been born in that day and age . Everyone had a tens of thousands more respect for each other than nowadays .

    • @stevens5541
      @stevens5541 4 года назад +2

      The whole world has gone to shit and it's going to get worse........watch David icke different interviews......my god it should wake people up

    • @nigecheshire9854
      @nigecheshire9854 3 года назад +1

      Well, you’ve done nothing to fight for it ,just sit and feel sorry for yourself.

  • @rainbowhoops6615
    @rainbowhoops6615 8 лет назад +3

    My father grew up here in 1930's, he will love to see these pictures, thanks for adding this video

  • @davidcohen4943
    @davidcohen4943 8 лет назад +3

    Ex Salford man now living in Oldham. I can remember listening to the folk club singing this famous old Ewan Mcoll song at the Royal Oak at Rhodes Bank.

    • @kimbrierley3399
      @kimbrierley3399 2 года назад +1

      Still have the folk club at the Royal.
      Still sing Dirty Old Town.

  • @Stefano2071
    @Stefano2071 10 лет назад +4

    I spent a year of my life in Oldham, it wasn't the most beautiful of the places, still .... I miss it :(

  • @mrmyorky5634
    @mrmyorky5634 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for the great collection of photos and the happy memories, I lived in Oldham for 65 years and saw it at it's best. Glad I don't live there now though.

  • @48demmie
    @48demmie 10 лет назад +9

    All those mills. All those people working. All those pristine, donkey stoned, door steps amidst all that dirt and grim. Have we lost more than we gained?

  • @Leatheryed1
    @Leatheryed1 10 лет назад +12

    I used play in a group at the Miner's Arms.We had some great times. I dated an Oldham girl called Eileen. She was some years older than me but gorgeous! She worked in one of the mills, and she would come with her friends and watch us play. Due to the noise at the mill, these girls had learned to lip read and they would chat with each other across the room, when the music was playing! I wonder where Eilene is now, or if she is even still alive? If you ever read this Eileen I want you to know how much I loved you xxx Chris.

    • @Leatheryed1
      @Leatheryed1 10 лет назад +4

      ***** Thanks Jeanie. Eileen is probably dead now. I was 19 and she was 31. I am now 67 so that would make her 79. If she is still alive though I bet she is still a lovely lady!

  • @wayulooktonige
    @wayulooktonige 9 лет назад +25

    Brilliant, moving images of my home town. I now live in Oldham's former twin town(!) - Blackpool. I will never say I'm from anywhere but Owdham and am truly saddened at the demise of both Oldham and Blackpool. Rather than blame chavs and immigrants, the way forward is to educate the young about the proud history of both places. This piece of film highlights the massive impact towns such as Oldham had on the country. if only the town council would realise how important Oldham was in providing a huge backbone to the history of our nation: Renovate Hartford Mill and turn it into a living, thriving museum - make people realise why Oldham exists and why this nation owes such a massive amount to the hard labour of my ancestors and so many more Roughyeds.

    • @bodsnvimto
      @bodsnvimto 7 лет назад +3

      Well said Mr D. Esp the not blaming but educating bit. I was born in mill town Glossop but moved to Blackpool when 12. I wouldn't call it the demise of Blackpool, I'd call it the further demise. I still love it for all its warts 'n' all, mind. I spent 18 years out of this country. Each one made me more appreciative of what we have and what we are back here in this nation and esp. in our region.
      And I just got back from watching City win in cloudless Manc spring sunshine so life is good up here in the supposedly grim north.

    • @charvamush8275
      @charvamush8275 3 года назад +2

      Wait wasn’t you on the chase couple weeks ago?

    • @wayulooktonige
      @wayulooktonige 3 года назад +3

      @@charvamush8275 Yes!!

    • @nigecheshire9854
      @nigecheshire9854 3 года назад

      You obviously don’t understand the education system, that wants to wipe you and Oldhams history of the map.

    • @stefanmaslaczyk1259
      @stefanmaslaczyk1259 Год назад +1

      I was born in Blackpool in ‘43. Lived in a little terraced house with no electricity or bathroom. Plenty of fresh air, sunshine and VERY bracing winds.
      When the Wakes Week visitors came into Central Station on a Saturday morning you could hardly walk down the streets it was so busy.
      Blackpool is much poorer now but it’s still got wonderful fresh air.

  • @zackhallam914
    @zackhallam914 2 года назад +2

    Oldham was one of tge weathlthiest Town in europe White gold.. they had more millionaires in Shaw and crompton than any part in England

  • @gesball4358
    @gesball4358 9 месяцев назад +1

    Oldham is a wonderful place so much history I am proud to come from there

  • @mustafabaseir5487
    @mustafabaseir5487 9 лет назад +3

    1972,I went to Oldham's Tech ,Rochdale Rd,just facing the Spotted Cow .I Lived in 25 Sports Man Drive ,Fitton Hill . I have really enjoyed myself.The decline of the textile industry dealt a terrible blow to the town .There were riots in 2000 .

  • @jacko717
    @jacko717 10 месяцев назад +1

    The colour photo at 1.13 is of Manor Mill in Chadderton.

  • @desmondfranklin9029
    @desmondfranklin9029 Год назад +2

    Would like to see more videos about the victotian workhouses and the millions that died within their walls

  • @kyeice
    @kyeice 9 лет назад +6

    Oldham born and bred,and bloody proud.

  • @paulinehalkyard9312
    @paulinehalkyard9312 2 года назад +2

    What a great video you should be proud well done.

  • @barbchernish2426
    @barbchernish2426 4 года назад +2

    just watched this love it, hard working people, who just "got on with it" love to get some of the prints i saw in there, tks to my daughter for sending this, first thing i saw to day, oops! my eyes are leaking

  • @karilynjaquest8739
    @karilynjaquest8739 Год назад +2

    Thank you so much for putting this altogether

  • @paulinehalkyard9312
    @paulinehalkyard9312 2 года назад +2

    Watched this again brilliant.😍😍

  • @2singstars
    @2singstars 13 лет назад +4

    What a great Video. I'm from Oldham too!!

  • @BoneyHard
    @BoneyHard 11 лет назад +8

    Well done Alan. A good set of snaps with a good soundtrack. Viewing it leaves me with mixed emotions. What a hard time people had back then.

  • @fittonhillbilly
    @fittonhillbilly 13 лет назад +6

    Great video that Alan, brings a tear to my eye thinking how our town has gone down the pan.

  • @stuartgarth9937
    @stuartgarth9937 10 лет назад +4

    am oldham born and bred an i still miss it now i live in portsmouth

  • @sharonhinkley3489
    @sharonhinkley3489 9 лет назад +5

    A very moving, well done film. My grandfather, George Ford, was born in Oldham. From what I can tell his father moved his family to the USA where he became a farmer in the rich farmland of Central Illinois. If anyone knows any Ford family in the area I would be grateful for any information. I am facebook..Sharon Hinkley

  • @hrcorts
    @hrcorts 13 лет назад +4

    Thank you for sharing this film clip with us, and reminding us where we came from.
    I have a Lowry print, and a painting of Tommy Fields market proudly on my lounge room walls.

  • @jonkeithly2027
    @jonkeithly2027 10 лет назад +7

    Nice vid. Remember a lot of those places and brings back some memories. Was born in Oldham (worked in the cotton mills at Sandy in the 70s whcih was part of the Shiloh Group) The miners arms was a dive though. Married a Oldham girl though that didn't last long. I left Oldham after the last cinema closed down (the Odeon). Couldn't live in a town without a cinema, that killed it for me.

  • @joselysylva9455
    @joselysylva9455 2 года назад

    parabéns pelo primeiro bebe se profeta, foi lindo 1978
    agora sou uma senhora que nao pode dar cria

  • @MrJ2091957
    @MrJ2091957 12 лет назад +6

    Just wanted to say "Thank You" for putting/cobbling this video together, well done.

  • @MegaCaine11
    @MegaCaine11 12 лет назад +2

    I Worked at The Elk in 1981,Good Place to Work!!

  • @connorlinskey6889
    @connorlinskey6889 10 лет назад +7

    Makes me proud to be from Oldham

  • @gyroll101
    @gyroll101 10 лет назад +2

    Born in Boudry Park Hopital in 1928 my son Chrie born there in 1951 . I met Dr Stepto Took cousin Geoff to the Latic's down Sheepfoot Lane

  • @zackhallam914
    @zackhallam914 2 года назад +1

    My great grandfather was born on Queens Rd oldham opposite the Alexander Park

    • @Topper954
      @Topper954 10 месяцев назад +1

      Must have been posh because that's where all the money people lived many years ago.

  • @lynnejenkinson4074
    @lynnejenkinson4074 10 лет назад +2

    oooh...left me Breathless...Wonderful Video..x..

  • @wotsoccurinkim
    @wotsoccurinkim 2 года назад +1

    Hi Alan ..Many thanks for putting these clips together it would do the kids good to have a look at these and see just what the kids back then had to do...also where it says Royton think its 7 minuets into it I tend to think its Shaw Market street so the left the Coach and Horses and right behind The Shay Wake ..I may be wrong tho..Many thanks again x

  • @susansaxon4780
    @susansaxon4780 10 месяцев назад +1

    Heritage culture and customs now long gone now …as Oldham is run by people who’s own heritage, customs, history and culture do not have the priority of the preservation of Oldhams culture, customs, heritage and history as important for future generations

  • @ciaranmasterson4482
    @ciaranmasterson4482 Год назад +1

    Those with ears WILL HEAR 🎉🎉

  • @antonysmith9783
    @antonysmith9783 10 лет назад +5

    I miss the old place :-)

    • @Leatheryed1
      @Leatheryed1 10 лет назад +3

      So do I. Been in North America 33 years. How I miss the place!

  • @jimbrocklehurst6678
    @jimbrocklehurst6678 3 месяца назад +2

    Perhaps it is cleaner, but better?

    • @alanwalkden9688
      @alanwalkden9688 2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Jim, you know the answer. Old lancashire folk a great generation. Alan

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  12 лет назад +2

    Thank you . E MACK. For your kind remarks.they are very much appreciated .
    glad you liked in . The music was from "The last night of the proms" a great \British event . ALAN

  • @markwright7021
    @markwright7021 8 лет назад +5

    Such a shame a proud town was brought to its knees . The crowning glory is its war memorial, but I expect in time that will offend the new majority ,. I left in 89... Thank God !

  • @susanmorris529
    @susanmorris529 11 лет назад +3

    Not all of Oldham but I would say 99% makes me proud to live in Oldham nicest people in the world, But sad to see what has become of the town I knew so well ( theres a song in there somewhere ) X

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  11 лет назад +2

    THANK YOU ,Spinoza Thank you for you interest and comments .you are right our parents who worked in those mills .were slaves but didn't know it..
    Yes Oldham is in old Lancashire .now called Greater Manchester.
    I have just returned from a visit to the Isle of JERSEY and saw the graves of many of your countrymen pulled from the sea in ww2. so very sad. thank you
    ALAN

  • @mrmrscosanostra
    @mrmrscosanostra 11 лет назад +6

    nice video. makes me homesick.

  • @davidclarke6718
    @davidclarke6718 3 года назад +1

    It looks very different now and not for the better.

  • @TractorBoy50
    @TractorBoy50 9 лет назад +5

    Dirty Old Town written by Kirsty McColls father Ewan a Salford man who wrote it about the gas works on Liverpool Road and Manchester Ship canal in Salford

  • @iain1970
    @iain1970 13 лет назад +2

    Some great images there, very well done. It's such a shame to see some prime buildings in Oldham in the state they are now in.

  • @Ankeshed
    @Ankeshed 12 лет назад +1

    Thanks for this wonderful upload, from someone whose dad worked at Ferranti

  • @jennykelly5906
    @jennykelly5906 7 лет назад +3

    l enjoyed the videos but was hoping to see a picture of horsedge street l lived on the street from birth to 8 years of age when we moved to newton heath manchester my mothers name is vera lees she worked in the lilly mills from the age of fourteen up until we left for manchester she can still lip read which is just as well as the noise from the mill made her deaf.

    •  4 года назад +1

      Was apprentice painter to Jimmy Newman on Horsehedge st 1964

  • @richardcummins5465
    @richardcummins5465 10 месяцев назад

    Superb piece if history. Thank you!

  • @dockaos924
    @dockaos924 5 месяцев назад +2

    Was a great town till Oldham council decided to improve it

  • @fumusfumus
    @fumusfumus 12 лет назад +2

    Wonderfull video, although I suspect a few of the pictures are not Oldham. The shear size of a cotton mill can be appreciated from the images. At the end of the 19th century Oldham had more cotton spindles than any other country in the world except the US. Platt brothers employed 15,000, helping to make Oldham the main textile machinery maker in the world.
    The industrial spirit of "makers" lives on in all the people I meet with a family past from Oldham. A pity it has little place in the UK now.

  • @dannii91xx
    @dannii91xx 13 лет назад +1

    There is a piqture of the empire theatre, if u went to the end of the building there is an ally way, go down it and it leads you to retiro street.I used to live in a house at the back of the theatre whith my grandmother

  • @bobby5637
    @bobby5637 13 лет назад +1

    great record

  • @chrisbrady3979
    @chrisbrady3979 10 месяцев назад +1

    No one has recorded the sound of workers going t’mills wi clogs on. Not even the clickety clack of the mill machinery. Nor even a knocker up.

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  12 лет назад +2

    Hi Fumusfumus, Thanks for your interest in my video .You are quite right the pics are not all in Oldham .But they helped me to paint a picture of what it was like ,It was my first attempt a making a video .My nephew put it on You Tube for me . and it went world wide . I have had some wonderful comments
    from many different countries .
    Thank you again for your kind comments . ALAN

  • @mogaeromax
    @mogaeromax 10 лет назад +10

    On my first trip to UK, I met a girl who lived in Oldham. I think she called her home Garden Suburb. Is my memory correct ?

    • @MsBRENDOG
      @MsBRENDOG 10 лет назад +2

      yes it is a small private estate

    • @sorbietower3011
      @sorbietower3011 8 лет назад +1

      Hi Steven. I have a family bible which has Fitton family members in it. I think from Royton. Do you know any from there? Cheers. I am sorbie tower on facebook,

    • @tonysmith9817
      @tonysmith9817 8 лет назад +1

      ROBERT KORNBLUM yep...

    • @kennyb6591
      @kennyb6591 7 лет назад +2

      Posh bird then. };- D

  • @richardcummins5465
    @richardcummins5465 10 месяцев назад +1

    Is this The Pogues??

  • @mickylad59
    @mickylad59 2 года назад

    I was born at No4 Crown St..

  • @dannii91xx
    @dannii91xx 13 лет назад +1

    thanks alan

  • @bruceburns1672
    @bruceburns1672 7 лет назад

    It was not just the linen that was important but the support industries behind it to make it function that was critical for a nation all the machinery with all the trades needed for manufacturing , the metal industries , the lubricants , the trucking industry , accountants , construction for the factories , no country can prosper without manufacturing , so until they resurrect it the nation will go nowhere .

  • @brandonsmith6849
    @brandonsmith6849 8 лет назад +2

    This town is named after my ancestors. Does anyone know how life is their modern day.

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +1

    @fittonhillbilly THANKS . IT BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE TO. EVEN AFTER SPENDING A LONG TIME
    MAKING IT. ALAN

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +2

    @3sidneystreet THANK YOU, FOR KIND COMMENTS. SORRY ABOUT THE WRONG CAPTIONS.MY MISTAKE
    IT'S MY FIRST ATTEMPT AT A VIDEO ON YOU TUBE .I GOT ALL MY IMAGES ON LINE AS NOW LIVE IN SPAIN.
    HENCE THE MIX UP. ALAN

  • @3sidneystreet
    @3sidneystreet 13 лет назад +1

    Well done, I really enjoyed the video. The photo of"Royton" does look like Market Street Shaw. Is this possible?

  • @markwright7021
    @markwright7021 8 лет назад +8

    Doomed... Oldham , The open prison of the UK. I lived there and yes it was a great place long ago . Im really saddened to see the war memorial in the centre being surrounded by the shit those men fought to oppose . And no one gives a damn , they just moan about it

  • @paulnewcombe3373
    @paulnewcombe3373 5 лет назад

    4.54 the old Oldham Royal Hospital

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +1

    @dannii91xx THANKS GARRY. KNOW RETIRO ST WELL ..IT'S STILL THERE
    PROBABLY KNEW YOUR GRAN ...ALANN

  • @SPIKE-0000
    @SPIKE-0000 3 года назад

    0:41 "Mitchell & Kenyon" footage....

  • @lbam4487
    @lbam4487 9 лет назад +5

    full o the unmentionables

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +1

    @morganatoo THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS .IT WAS A PROUD TOWN .BUT ;WE HAVE OUR MEMORIES
    AND THE PEOPLE WERE FINE FOLKS ALAN

  • @derekbeaver4331
    @derekbeaver4331 5 лет назад +1

    met my wife in the star in

  • @gyroll101
    @gyroll101 10 лет назад +2

    Now living in Australia

    • @tonysmith9817
      @tonysmith9817 8 лет назад +1

      chris Nutter hi to australia....

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +1

    @jambutty58 THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS .SORRY ABOUT THE ELK CLOSING HOPE YOU GET A NEW JOB SOON .(I WAS BROUGHT UP ON JAM BUTTIES THEY ARE STILL MY FAVORITE FOOD) ALAN

  • @grayarooney
    @grayarooney 10 лет назад +6

    Song thieves! This is a Salford song!

    • @kennyb6591
      @kennyb6591 7 лет назад +2

      Equally applicable. };- D

  • @brazil10able
    @brazil10able 12 лет назад +1

    the best northern town and the friendliest people ever.......before it was enriched and bulldozed

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +1

    @hrcorts THANKS ...GLAD YOU LIKED IT. ALAN

  • @bluepeter3470
    @bluepeter3470 3 года назад +3

    Why glorify the past.
    People working 60hour weekly plus kids working as young as 12years old .
    To hell with the past.

  • @ALANWALK1
    @ALANWALK1  13 лет назад +1

    @pottywotty100 HI GLAD YOU LIKED IT ..THANK YOU .ALAN

  • @justsomeguy5718
    @justsomeguy5718 8 лет назад +1

    this is my last name

  • @lindsaypeterholden2701
    @lindsaypeterholden2701 7 лет назад

    If You don't like the Music @3.52 Get out of this Country Now.I will show what We have lost.Charles Dickens.

  • @michaelroebuck2011
    @michaelroebuck2011 7 лет назад +1

    I was taken to see the result golf the bomb that dropped on Abbyhillls. Remember the a German p.o.w stopping me on King St. when walking with my auntie Else Weems. he wanted to touch my hair because I reminded him.of his son. This was out side the odd fellows Hall. do I have memories of that town , yes. picking coal from the street going to Higginshaw Gas Works to collect a sack of coke in the freezing cold with multiple cousins. certainly unusual memories but none I would like to repeat. yet the people cared / worked hard / not always the cleanest you would meet. Meals made from scraps cow heel pie , tripe pieces from UPC ON KING ST. BAG OF TRIPE AND COW HEEL PIECES. WITH STRONG MALT VINEGAR. 6 PENNY MIXTURE FOR FRIDAY TEA BETWEEN 4 KIDS. NO I WILL NOT FORGET MY ROOTS BUT I WOULD NOT WANT MY FAMILY TO LIVE AMONGST THEM. AFRICA. IS MY HOME. JOHANNESBURG THE CITY OF GOLD !!!! SO MANY THOUGHT , IN FACT being turned into a mega slum . small pockets of decent sized suburbs in which the citizens make the place. safe and clean. yet we have good people who want a better life for their children regardless of race / creed / colour. Crime is the enemy of all good people and unemployment and grants from. the ANC sucks the will to work from people. I think in u.k. benefits. soul destroying. so yes my roots may have been there in the 40s/50s but no more I have transplanted in to the red soil of Africa which I love . The people / The Wild Life / The Bush and my Family. Nkosi Ziklele E Africa.

  • @kashmiritruths7298
    @kashmiritruths7298 10 лет назад +6

    All this racism why do u know how many muslims died fighting for Britain in the world wars. Most of them forgotten. What's that saying " lest we forget" yea right

  • @ManX72
    @ManX72 2 года назад

    They just got on with it, they had no choice ...says it all really, all those years and during the war effort they still kept on going,everyone did their part, my grandma worked at ferrantis and lost part of her index finger, but returned to work a few days later, was also the days you could leave your front door wide open so neighbours could pop in for cup of tea and a chin wag, i could go on and on with the stories i've been told over the years but saddens me when i see mills being torn down to make way for new housing ripping apart our history, not many left now and also the inside market is being closed down to make way for a car park, moving this to the inside of spindles shopping center, civic center is another thats coming down!