Very Good question...... One answer could be there is no ignorance (-> error) in subjective nature, but if we try to find it in objective nature there will be ignorance leads to error, as swamiji explained the sun/a person is reflecting to many tubs/mirrors there is no error in sun or our existence there is error in the reflection.
NO ONE TO BLAME swami vivekananda The sun goes down, its crimson rays Light up the dying day; A startled glance I throw behind And count my triumph shame; No one but me to blame. Each day my life I make or mar, Each deed begets its kind, Good good, bad bad, the tide once set No one can stop or stem; No one but me to blame. I am my own embodied past; Therein the plan was made; The will, the thought, to that conform, To that the outer frame; No one but me to blame. Love comes reflected back as love, Hate breeds more fierce hate, They mete their measures, lay on me Through life and death their claim; No one but me to blame. I cast off fear and vain remorse, I feel my Karma's sway I face the ghosts my deeds have raised - Joy, sorrow, censure, fame; No one but me to blame. Good, bad, love, hate, and pleasure, pain Forever linked go, I dream of pleasure without pain, It never, never came; No one but me to blame. I give up hate, I give up love, My thirst for life is gone; Eternal death is what I want, Nirvanam goes life's flame; No one is left to blame.
Brahman is never helps anybody in Sankara advaita. Except Brahman nothing exist. HOw is the Brahman helping for? and who? Jeevatma is always Brahman. It does not become Brahman.
@@regardsk3815 this entire cosmos is bhamhomoy (pure consciousness) you are one with bramban but your minds have that ignorance ,bhamhan never had that ignorance. It's like a frog laying eggs in a pond that very mind of the frog spreading ignorance water of the pond is helping the frog to over come ignorance . But it's stupid to say since the frog is in the water so the water had that impurity ,Pure consciousness is pure as always. And that is bhamhan the pure consciousness. Mind is the object appearing in pure consciousness and that very mind re incarnates and evolves Never you as bramban.
joydeb das poems See in your example - frog is different from water. Frog nature does not affect the water and vice versa. Here both are real . There is third thing in that Brahman. Brahman is in water and also in frog. In Sankara Vedanta frog is imaginary , water is imaginary , frog nature does not affect water is also imaginary. Then removing ignorance is also imaginary. Ultimately imaginary will never go. Who Is imagining ? You Answer. Only answer can be Brahman only by maya. Why should the Brahman imagine? There is no lila this is also imaginary.
Regards K you are trying to miss interpret this thing what I mean. In pure consciousness we all are object appearing in one consciousness. Like In water frog is the object appearing. Here Water is metaphor used as or equal to brahaman and frog is equal to mind as metaphor. With the dissolution of the mind ( Nirvana) the being turns completely pure consciousness it's like there is no more any veil.
Reflected consciousness explained - There is one consciousness and apart from nothing exist. THis only consciousness is of no attributes like forms or characters, it has not any differences in it, it does not possess any thing and it has no form. How does this reflection take place on this Maya. Which is of attributes and characters ? THus this will deemed to say that entire Brahman will be under the illusion of Maya and thus it creates of imagination of Witness and its act of witnessing the undergoing of changes on itself has Brahman assuming itself as Jeevatma. Eliminating knowledge of Illusion cannot be on Brahman if so then it would have liberated long ago and never undergo this assumption. Sankara do accept this statement in his Aiterya Upanishad bhasya introduction. Sankara Philosophy will works well if until one take everything for granted. If you ask question like for who this illusion appears? So is seeing the rope as snake when that seeing person is actually brahman. Then there is no answer.
Swamiji, if Jeev is ignorant and Brahma is not ignorant.. then how can Jeev and Brahma are one and same ? This means Jeev is reflection of Brahma. Reflection can be covered with ignorance. But we can not say that Bimba and Pratibimba are one and same. Can you please explain this ?
First of all Reflection concept will not work here. Brahman as per Sankara Advaita is Nirguna, Nirvisesha, no form, no character. For example- It is not sun and its light. Sun = its light. Reflection of light on water grasp the sun's image. Here Sun like Brahman does not have any image it is formless, no characters. Its reflection means entire sun will be appearing in the different water pots. This is against the common experience. WHen a person sits in the front of many mirrors. Than person has a form. Here Brahaman is formless where can the mirror catch the image of the Brahman? When one say in sankara advaita that Brahman is relfecting on avidya or maya or illusion- there is no other way to deem that - Entire brahman with its self-luminosity is concealed by Avidya or maya or illusion and Brahman under the clutches of Maya imagines it to be many. There is not bimba and pratibimba in the Sankara advaita. It is vivartavada This is usually concealed by the Sankara philosophy teachers. They misguide the listeners and tactics to show that they are scholars.
If we consider that Maya conceals entire Brahman by avidya and it makes Brahman think that he is many and not one then Maya is more powerfull than Bramhan as she is making Brahman unaware of its true state.This means Brahman is not controlling Maya but Maya is controlling Brahman.
Laxmikant Bende all these complexities arise in Sankara philosophy of mayavada advaitia or nirvisesaadvaita. That's is why all other Vedanta acharya did not approve Sankara - starting from Ramanuja, madhva, nimbarka, vallabha and Chaitanya. Even ramakrishna did not approve mayavada. Ramakrishna Vedanta is bell fruit Vedanta - all three are inseparable as one. Brahman + Jeevas + world = not two
🙏 pranaam maharaj. With all humbleness, i want to ask, Is it that everyone wants to be free from cycle of birth and death? I doubt. There are people who have lives have been perfectly happy. Atleast from their point of view. And they want to have same life again and again. Only people who are unhappy or discontent might turn to spirituality, may be...
If freedom from cycle of births and deaths is the state of ultimate happiness possible, then Why one (Who thinks enjoying happiness) will seek spirituality !!? The day one realises that there are limitations to the 'present enjoying' and wishes to come out of those limits with consistent efforts may find Spirituality a better alternative !!! But unlike other pointers showing you the sky ( in 24 hrs the direction of UP will form a CIRCLE !!!) the Advaita takes you inwards and with or without involvement of another empowers you to discover your freedom !!! This journey of beginning from - where you are - to the destination of - who you are. Such a journey can start anytime for anybody and at destination no more will there be the Time and Body, only happiness. Wish you a very happy journey of life !!! Om Namah Shivaya
Plz don't listen to these parrots who do not know what they are telling except paraphrasing the scriptures. Why vedantic knowledge is not straight forward ? why it has been mystified?? Why one needs one interpreter to understand it? There is a purpose to it that by making it mystical and confusing, they can start their business out of it telling that I have the right answer to your question. They will teach u the question what to ask and they will give the answer. Suppose one doesn't know any of Indic knowledge, can he/she ask the billion dollar question 'Who Am I' These people will start teling the followers what will happen during meditation and what will not happen before teaching meditation. this is the trick they will play with u. they will a create a hunger for soul in you and start feeding u some unwanted stuff which your body doesn't need. There is nothing to learn and nothing to transform. u r perfectly ok with what u r. once u listen to anybody after fixing a gaol in your life thenonly your misery comes and u will need these so called saviours of mankind. Plz listen to UG Krishnamurti and do not waste ur energy and time in listening these swamis.
Sankara interpretation of Upanishad was refuted by many theistic Vedanta Acharya for his Maya illusion concepts. There is no answer by Sankara if u ask where is illusion . Here Swamiji is trying to escape from this question. Jeeva is result of ignorance that is why even Jeeva concept is removed by the aspirant after removing body concept. Brahman is reflected on the water pots means what. Brahman luminosity is reflected on the pot. In sankara Advaita there is no difference between Brahman and is luminosity both are same. So Brahman itself is undergoing the illusion through his own imagination and removing it's coverage and revealing to itself as Brahman. This world is going on ever since don't know when. Many are born and many are dying. If all these are illusion on reflected Brahman . Till how long this illusive coverage exist in Brahman ? Is it slowly removing the coverage part by part by still learning the tatva MSI . Even Jeeva Muka are helping the jeevamas then illusion is still existing. If removal of illusion is from Brahman but Brahman is under illusion. This is illogical which is usually concealed by the Sankara philosophy preachers . Other Vedanta schools accept jeevatama is dependent on Brahman and undergo illusion because of their acts.
Another example : there was a dog running madly and barking to the sky and there was an eagle flying high calmly just balancing itself and enjoying. A Guru explained his students that he was that dog with his ignorance and by elevation of his understanding about the life energy he became the Eagle !!! Recall and list the types of "Happiness" (only for your own reference) and how was that Happiness possible. Many of them may be possible even now, some by choice and some by chance. Just ensure it's all from your own experience. Then, One thing was common throughout was You (the individual) !!! None of those happy moments were possible in YOUR absence And none of them were possible by ONLY your presence. (Importance of looking at life in its entirety). Orange can't be Sun but it's colour at some point could be compared to that of Sun. Similarly all the examples all the philosophy/logics end in 'How capable are the individual is in converting their experiences into words of their time of presence'. As you know, ignorance of snake in reality of rope was an example to say negating that which is 'not there, but seems like being there' will lead you to discovery of reality. (At this point purpose of the 'rope-snake' example is over with a suggestion to 'start negating/for the time being keep aside- everything that is not yours to know who YOU are.' Here's another example - say, you had clothing of 5 layers. To reach out to the exact point of itching you need to undress few layers if not all. Once you are there, cause, effect, corrections done then, you are free to choose whether you need all those layers to be worn again or you are comfortable without. Here ends this example to indicate that whatever you are today is due to your own choices) With due respect to your views, I think essence of the examples play more important role in helping us understand our 'experience of living' better. Some examples/lectures/lecturers/books can be misguiding too and that is where our capacity to choose the right track(not at the cost of some others life) has to come into picture. Wish you a very happy life. Om Namah Shivaya.
@@cbmcbm2845 When one negate something form other. Orange is not sun and sun is not orange. Negated object does not get vanished like illusion of Snake on rope. This example quoted and concept understood as negation will be a mismatch. When one one negate this world from atman. World will not vanish altogether. only our attachment towards this world will vanish and one will not be affected with concequences of everchanging world. Nowhere in the Upanishads states that this world is illusion like snake is quoted. Definition of example is- a concept used to prove a fact or somthing. Illusive snake does vanish but real world has not yet vanished till today. There is a mismatch in the philosophy of fact in sankara advaita and examples used support the fact in each and every concepts. Knowledge of Negation of world is different from Brahman Anubhuti. Sankara says Brahma Anubhuti it Aproksha (immediate) and independant. If you say that Knowledge of negation will lead to Brahma anubhuti it will be paroksha (mediate) and dependant on negation. Example of story - you are the tenth one- which is quoted to say " I am Brahman" is also wrong. Fact and example mismatch. When someone say that "we are Brahman" it becomes Paroksha.
@@cbmcbm2845 Another example- When a person sits in front of many mirrors. That persons reflection will appear on all the mirror. When a person moves all the reflection will move the same way. But in reality it is not so- all the reflected limited consciousness what they say has all different limited ways of lifestyle and character. How can reflected limited consciousness will negate when all the negating knowledge is also a limited reflection? Sankara states that only one infinite consciousness exist and that does not have any qualities or attributes or characterless and formless. You ask this question to Mr. Swami Sarvapriyananda- who try to speak logic in this lecture. Let him answer this to you.
@@regardsk3815 Regards K it seems your points have their own weight !!! Thanks for sharing the same. Here I think we are analysing the process of "How some teacher is trying to extend his knowledge about 'I', the Brahman, (universal consciousness, God or some other names). We see atleast 3 terms which mainly are the areas of curiosity, namely....... 1. The Individual, 2. The World, 3. The GOD/Brahman. When seen from world's point of view, the 'individual person' seems one of many such products !!. When seen from the individual's point of view the world has no meaning in absence of himself. Mostly discussed ruler of most of knowledge banks is the term GOD, almighty, unchanging, infinite, truth, etc. Lesson has to start somewhere to find an end !!! Now (in a layman's language) out of so called quality aspects of 'GOD' and the 'individual', there is one thing in common, and that is - the un-changing-ness !! (I am not a different person in childhood and in old age) (Rope vs snake) One vs Zero What is the constant to which I said 'I' throughout the ages, from within the body ??? Here that teacher's example of snake-rope illusions vs fact could be applied, to say the "I' is not made of identities like body, mind, gender, emotions, size, sensors, position, richness, etc. Now if you say, 'i'is not made of body, then the body doesn't disappear, absolutely right. Thus with the process of negating the identities the reference point 'i' is tried to be understood. neti neti STAGE 1 (Sun vs Candle)::One vs Ones With the understanding of 'I'-ness, he proceeds to explain the contents of what is the World/universe is made of and how is the World a basis of expressions and tried to explain how the 'i'-ness you learned earlier is available everywhere throughout the world. (Tat tvam asi) STAGE 2. At this point with your awareness of yourself ('I'-NESS) being widespread everywhere may not expand your physical size or some other capacities, but you may enjoy your own presence and may start living, loving better than yesterdays. At the same time you may notice that you are still the unchanging YOU amidst the ever-changing illusory parameters. One vs infinity::::::;;;; After some more minutes you may be bored of these enjoyments and ultimately with knowledge of what exactly is the infinity, happiness, love, peace, etc and may try to become THAT, ALL THAT, with or without the support of the physical laws, rules of nature etc. You found a better teacher? Congratulations, wish you all the success. Earlier the conditions and way of life were entirely different and so did the methods of teaching ! You may learn, that there is NO TIME and you may learn much more information in NO TIME !!! (Please excuse me, for errors if any.) Thanks again. Om Namah Shivaya 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@cbmcbm2845 Regards K Regards K it seems your points have their own weight !!! Thanks for sharing the same. Here I think we are analysing the process of "How some teacher is trying to extend his knowledge about 'I', the Brahman, (universal consciousness, God or some other names). We see atleast 3 terms which mainly are the areas of curiosity, namely....... 1. The Individual, 2. The World, 3. The GOD/Brahman. When seen from world's point of view, the 'individual person' seems one of many such products !!. When seen from the individual's point of view the world has no meaning in absence of himself. Answer: These two sentences are untenable and mismatch- When absence of himself world has no meaning same way in absence of world “himself does not have any meaning”. From the world point of view Individual person is the part of many products same way from the Individual point of few he is the also part of the many products of the world in as single entity. Just one individual close the eyes the world is not dark during noon. Mostly discussed ruler of most of knowledge banks is the term GOD, almighty, unchanging, infinite, truth, etc. Lesson has to start somewhere to find an end !!! Now (in a layman's language) out of so called quality aspects of 'GOD' and the 'individual', there is one thing in common, and that is - the un-changing-ness !! (I am not a different person in childhood and in old age) (Rope vs snake) One vs Zero What is the constant to which I said 'I' throughout the ages, from within the body ??? Here that teacher's example of snake-rope illusions vs fact could be applied, to say the "I' is not made of identities like body, mind, gender, emotions, size, sensors, position, richness, etc. Now if you say, 'i'is not made of body, then the body doesn't disappear, absolutely right. Thus with the process of negating the identities the reference point 'i' is tried to be understood. neti neti Answer: if you do the Neti Neti process- One will understand that ‘I’ is not body. If the body does not disappears then transforms in to the product of the world. Neti Neti process will give only the knowledge of absolute difference between the “I” and his/her body product of the world. How will he know that he is Brahman? If you say that he is always- then question yourself- how did Brahman forget himself is own identity? If you say that Brahman and I are always same that Neti Neti process will get rid of his knowledge that ‘I is body’- this is result it two 1. Attribute-less Brahman accidentally or intentionally know itself as I with attributes - is doing the Neti neti to disassociate with Body (from the young and old- only I remains as same- accepted) 2. If the body does not disappears then transforms in to the product of the world. It will result in Duality. This is opposed to non-duality. World cannot stand by itself without substratum of a consciousness (Brahman). One has to define the relation between two opposites world and Brahman. STAGE 1 (Sun vs Candle)::One vs Ones With the understanding of 'I'-ness, he proceeds to explain the contents of what is the World/universe is made of and how is the World a basis of expressions and tried to explain how the 'i'-ness you learned earlier is available everywhere throughout the world. (Tat tvam asi) STAGE 2. At this point with your awareness of yourself ('I'-NESS) being widespread everywhere may not expand your physical size or some other capacities, but you may enjoy your own presence and may start living, loving better than yesterdays. At the same time you may notice that you are still the unchanging YOU amidst the ever-changing illusory parameters. One vs infinity::::::;;;; After some more minutes you may be bored of these enjoyments and ultimately with knowledge of what exactly is the infinity, happiness, love, peace, etc and may try to become THAT, ALL THAT, with or without the support of the physical laws, rules of nature etc. Answer: The process of Neti Neti is to realize and release from Happiness and Suffering resulting from association of the world. Detachment and attachment towards the products of the world happens due to ‘ I’ associating with world. It is very natural and real that one associates and disassociates with the world as attachment and unattachment. One gets such dual tendencies because his urge resulting from interaction with world in form of past and present karma tied up with its future karma. It is not illusion. When you see a mirage- water in the mirage is real. How? Water is there in the Heat. Only from Heat water is produced. So one sees the water in mirage is true. What is silly is one trying to make an attempt to fetch water. Water containing in the heat is too early for its consumption. There is process for separating fire from water. One has to wait to drink. The defect of urge has influenced him to run for the water towards mirage. Mirage as such is real too. And one removing the defect through right knowledge will help him to know nature clearly. Just with this knowledge you cannot become Brahman. “I” has to do devotion to Brahman and Brahman itself will help to reveal itself to I. This I will shift its identity from the world on Brahman(infinite, unchanging ). This is realization and then one will realize that I and world substratum with the Brahman as Organic Unity. Relationship of I and world with infinite Brahman as its infinite body, infinite mode, infinite power. You found a better teacher? Congratulations, wish you all the success. Earlier the conditions and way of life were entirely different and so did the methods of teaching ! You may learn, that there is NO TIME and you may learn much more information in NO TIME !!! (Please excuse me, for errors if any.) Thanks again. Om Namah Shivaya
From the side of sun there is no darkness. From the side of earth there is darkness due to its rotation. Similary from the side of Brahman there is no maya or world but from the side of jeeva there is maya and world. Again from the side of Brahman since there is no world, it does not want to experience the world.
@@narendranarotam3816 Yes, Brahman reflecting through mind and body is called jeeva. If we remove mind and body (gross body, subtle body and causal body ) then only jeeva becomes Brahman. Again if we consider only waking state or dream state then Brahman and jeeva are different. But in the turia state or state of samadhi jeeva and Brahman same. (So Sankara said jeevo brahmaiva na para ). Finally there is only Brahman no jeeva. Aham Brahmasmi.
@@jayaprakashck7339 in the end Sankara sang bhajo Govinda....he then realised the eternal Personality of God...beyond Brahman...Sr Ramanuja Swamis philosophy and realisation is beyond the impersonal Brahman
Very Good question...... One answer could be there is no ignorance (-> error) in subjective nature, but if we try to find it in objective nature there will be ignorance leads to error, as swamiji explained the sun/a person is reflecting to many tubs/mirrors there is no error in sun or our existence there is error in the reflection.
NO ONE TO BLAME
swami vivekananda
The sun goes down, its crimson rays
Light up the dying day;
A startled glance I throw behind
And count my triumph shame;
No one but me to blame.
Each day my life I make or mar,
Each deed begets its kind,
Good good, bad bad, the tide once set
No one can stop or stem;
No one but me to blame.
I am my own embodied past;
Therein the plan was made;
The will, the thought, to that conform,
To that the outer frame;
No one but me to blame.
Love comes reflected back as love,
Hate breeds more fierce hate,
They mete their measures, lay on me
Through life and death their claim;
No one but me to blame.
I cast off fear and vain remorse,
I feel my Karma's sway
I face the ghosts my deeds have raised -
Joy, sorrow, censure, fame;
No one but me to blame.
Good, bad, love, hate, and pleasure, pain
Forever linked go,
I dream of pleasure without pain,
It never, never came;
No one but me to blame.
I give up hate, I give up love,
My thirst for life is gone;
Eternal death is what I want,
Nirvanam goes life's flame;
No one is left to blame.
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Amazingly Explained...
Pranam & heartfelt regards to most revered MAHARAJ.
pranams gurudev
Excellent. .....pronam Swamiji
Why some people dislike these....??
Panam Guru G I want to be a monk how I can
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Maharaj pronam neben.
Only vishishtadvaita makes sense...advaita vedanta is half the answer...all glories to Ramanuja swami
What is Vishistadvaita? How do you answer these questions? Is there any youtube link you suggest?
@@jayvara664 i suggest u read it off Google. People cant explain it adequately .
@@jayvara664 it basically means simultaneous oneness and difference with God.
Bhamhan never had that ignorance it is helping us to over come ignorance
Brahman is never helps anybody in Sankara advaita. Except Brahman nothing exist. HOw is the Brahman helping for? and who? Jeevatma is always Brahman. It does not become Brahman.
@@regardsk3815 this entire cosmos is bhamhomoy (pure consciousness) you are one with bramban but your minds have that ignorance ,bhamhan never had that ignorance. It's like a frog laying eggs in a pond that very mind of the frog spreading ignorance water of the pond is helping the frog to over come ignorance . But it's stupid to say since the frog is in the water so the water had that impurity ,Pure consciousness is pure as always. And that is bhamhan the pure consciousness. Mind is the object appearing in pure consciousness and that very mind re incarnates and evolves Never you as bramban.
Swami jee I haven't read any text related to Vedas or upanishads if I am talking with out sense please help me.
joydeb das poems See in your example - frog is different from water. Frog nature does not affect the water and vice versa. Here both are real . There is third thing in that Brahman. Brahman is in water and also in frog.
In Sankara Vedanta frog is imaginary , water is imaginary , frog nature does not affect water is also imaginary. Then removing ignorance is also imaginary.
Ultimately imaginary will never go. Who Is imagining ? You Answer. Only answer can be Brahman only by maya.
Why should the Brahman imagine? There is no lila this is also imaginary.
Regards K you are trying to miss interpret this thing what I mean. In pure consciousness we all are object appearing in one consciousness. Like In water frog is the object appearing. Here Water is metaphor used as or equal to brahaman and frog is equal to mind as metaphor. With the dissolution of the mind ( Nirvana) the being turns completely pure consciousness it's like there is no more any veil.
Reflected consciousness explained - There is one consciousness and apart from nothing exist. THis only consciousness is of no attributes like forms or characters, it has not any differences in it, it does not possess any thing and it has no form.
How does this reflection take place on this Maya. Which is of attributes and characters ?
THus this will deemed to say that entire Brahman will be under the illusion of Maya and thus it creates of imagination of Witness and its act of witnessing the undergoing of changes on itself has Brahman assuming itself as Jeevatma.
Eliminating knowledge of Illusion cannot be on Brahman if so then it would have liberated long ago and never undergo this assumption.
Sankara do accept this statement in his Aiterya Upanishad bhasya introduction. Sankara Philosophy will works well if until one take everything for granted. If you ask question like
for who this illusion appears? So is seeing the rope as snake when that seeing person is actually brahman. Then there is no answer.
Dear Regards K, what exactly you wanted to express please.
Dear Regards K what exactly you wanted to express please
feeling difficult to understand,must I hear a number of times
Swamiji, if Jeev is ignorant and Brahma is not ignorant.. then how can Jeev and Brahma are one and same ? This means Jeev is reflection of Brahma. Reflection can be covered with ignorance. But we can not say that Bimba and Pratibimba are one and same. Can you please explain this ?
First of all Reflection concept will not work here. Brahman as per Sankara Advaita is Nirguna, Nirvisesha, no form, no character. For example- It is not sun and its light. Sun = its light. Reflection of light on water grasp the sun's image.
Here Sun like Brahman does not have any image it is formless, no characters. Its reflection means entire sun will be appearing in the different water pots. This is against the common experience.
WHen a person sits in the front of many mirrors. Than person has a form. Here Brahaman is formless where can the mirror catch the image of the Brahman?
When one say in sankara advaita that Brahman is relfecting on avidya or maya or illusion- there is no other way to deem that - Entire brahman with its self-luminosity is concealed by Avidya or maya or illusion and Brahman under the clutches of Maya imagines it to be many. There is not bimba and pratibimba in the Sankara advaita. It is vivartavada
This is usually concealed by the Sankara philosophy teachers. They misguide the listeners and tactics to show that they are scholars.
If we consider that Maya conceals entire Brahman by avidya and it makes Brahman think that he is many and not one then Maya is more powerfull than Bramhan as she is making Brahman unaware of its true state.This means Brahman is not controlling Maya but Maya is controlling Brahman.
Laxmikant Bende all these complexities arise in Sankara philosophy of mayavada advaitia or nirvisesaadvaita.
That's is why all other Vedanta acharya did not approve Sankara - starting from Ramanuja, madhva, nimbarka, vallabha and Chaitanya.
Even ramakrishna did not approve mayavada. Ramakrishna Vedanta is bell fruit Vedanta - all three are inseparable as one.
Brahman + Jeevas + world = not two
Who is there to count the infinite?
🙏 pranaam maharaj. With all humbleness, i want to ask, Is it that everyone wants to be free from cycle of birth and death? I doubt. There are people who have lives have been perfectly happy. Atleast from their point of view. And they want to have same life again and again. Only people who are unhappy or discontent might turn to spirituality, may be...
If freedom from cycle of births and deaths is the state of ultimate happiness possible, then Why one (Who thinks enjoying happiness) will seek spirituality !!? The day one realises that there are limitations to the 'present enjoying' and wishes to come out of those limits with consistent efforts may find Spirituality a better alternative !!! But unlike other pointers showing you the sky ( in 24 hrs the direction of UP will form a CIRCLE !!!) the Advaita takes you inwards and with or without involvement of another empowers you to discover your freedom !!! This journey of beginning from - where you are - to the destination of - who you are. Such a journey can start anytime for anybody and at destination no more will there be the Time and Body, only happiness.
Wish you a very happy journey of life !!!
Om Namah Shivaya
I agree but most are suffering 😢..only a few are fully living the life ..they already seems enlightened btw 😀
Plz don't listen to these parrots who do not know what they are telling except paraphrasing the scriptures. Why vedantic knowledge is not straight forward ? why it has been mystified?? Why one needs one interpreter to understand it? There is a purpose to it that by making it mystical and confusing, they can start their business out of it telling that I have the right answer to your question. They will teach u the question what to ask and they will give the answer. Suppose one doesn't know any of Indic knowledge, can he/she ask the billion dollar question 'Who Am I' These people will start teling the followers what will happen during meditation and what will not happen before teaching meditation. this is the trick they will play with u. they will a create a hunger for soul in you and start feeding u some unwanted stuff which your body doesn't need. There is nothing to learn and nothing to transform. u r perfectly ok with what u r. once u listen to anybody after fixing a gaol in your life thenonly your misery comes and u will need these so called saviours of mankind. Plz listen to UG Krishnamurti and do not waste ur energy and time in listening these swamis.
Sankara interpretation of Upanishad was refuted by many theistic Vedanta Acharya for his Maya illusion concepts. There is no answer by Sankara if u ask where is illusion . Here Swamiji is trying to escape from this question. Jeeva is result of ignorance that is why even Jeeva concept is removed by the aspirant after removing body concept. Brahman is reflected on the water pots means what. Brahman luminosity is reflected on the pot. In sankara Advaita there is no difference between Brahman and is luminosity both are same. So Brahman itself is undergoing the illusion through his own imagination and removing it's coverage and revealing to itself as Brahman.
This world is going on ever since don't know when. Many are born and many are dying. If all these are illusion on reflected Brahman . Till how long this illusive coverage exist in Brahman ? Is it slowly removing the coverage part by part by still learning the tatva MSI . Even Jeeva Muka are helping the jeevamas then illusion is still existing.
If removal of illusion is from Brahman but Brahman is under illusion. This is illogical which is usually concealed by the Sankara philosophy preachers .
Other Vedanta schools accept jeevatama is dependent on Brahman and undergo illusion because of their acts.
Another example : there was a dog running madly and barking to the sky and there was an eagle flying high calmly just balancing itself and enjoying.
A Guru explained his students that he was that dog with his ignorance and by elevation of his understanding about the life energy he became the Eagle !!!
Recall and list the types of "Happiness" (only for your own reference) and how was that Happiness possible.
Many of them may be possible even now, some by choice and some by chance.
Just ensure it's all from your own experience. Then,
One thing was common throughout was You (the individual) !!!
None of those happy moments were possible in YOUR absence And none of them were possible by ONLY your presence. (Importance of looking at life in its entirety).
Orange can't be Sun but it's colour at some point could be compared to that of Sun. Similarly all the examples all the philosophy/logics end in 'How capable are the individual is in converting their experiences into words of their time of presence'.
As you know, ignorance of snake in reality of rope was an example to say negating that which is 'not there, but seems like being there' will lead you to discovery of reality. (At this point purpose of the 'rope-snake' example is over with a suggestion to 'start negating/for the time being keep aside- everything that is not yours to know who YOU are.'
Here's another example - say, you had clothing of 5 layers. To reach out to the exact point of itching you need to undress few layers if not all. Once you are there, cause, effect, corrections done then, you are free to choose whether you need all those layers to be worn again or you are comfortable without. Here ends this example to indicate that whatever you are today is due to your own choices)
With due respect to your views, I think essence of the examples play more important role in helping us understand our 'experience of living' better.
Some examples/lectures/lecturers/books can be misguiding too and that is where our capacity to choose the right track(not at the cost of some others life) has to come into picture.
Wish you a very happy life.
Om Namah Shivaya.
@@cbmcbm2845 When one negate something form other. Orange is not sun and sun is not orange. Negated object does not get vanished like illusion of Snake on rope. This example quoted and concept understood as negation will be a mismatch.
When one one negate this world from atman. World will not vanish altogether. only our attachment towards this world will vanish and one will not be affected with concequences of everchanging world.
Nowhere in the Upanishads states that this world is illusion like snake is quoted.
Definition of example is- a concept used to prove a fact or somthing. Illusive snake does vanish but real world has not yet vanished till today. There is a mismatch in the philosophy of fact in sankara advaita and examples used support the fact in each and every concepts.
Knowledge of Negation of world is different from Brahman Anubhuti. Sankara says Brahma Anubhuti it Aproksha (immediate) and independant. If you say that Knowledge of negation will lead to Brahma anubhuti it will be paroksha (mediate) and dependant on negation. Example of story - you are the tenth one- which is quoted to say " I am Brahman" is also wrong. Fact and example mismatch. When someone say that "we are Brahman" it becomes Paroksha.
@@cbmcbm2845 Another example- When a person sits in front of many mirrors. That persons reflection will appear on all the mirror. When a person moves all the reflection will move the same way.
But in reality it is not so- all the reflected limited consciousness what they say has all different limited ways of lifestyle and character.
How can reflected limited consciousness will negate when all the negating knowledge is also a limited reflection?
Sankara states that only one infinite consciousness exist and that does not have any qualities or attributes or characterless and formless.
You ask this question to Mr. Swami Sarvapriyananda- who try to speak logic in this lecture. Let him answer this to you.
@@regardsk3815 Regards K it seems your points have their own weight !!! Thanks for sharing the same.
Here I think we are analysing the process of "How some teacher is trying to extend his knowledge about 'I', the Brahman, (universal consciousness, God or some other names).
We see atleast 3 terms which mainly are the areas of curiosity, namely.......
1. The Individual,
2. The World,
3. The GOD/Brahman.
When seen from world's point of view, the 'individual person' seems one of many such products !!.
When seen from the individual's point of view the world has no meaning in absence of himself.
Mostly discussed ruler of most of knowledge banks is the term GOD, almighty, unchanging, infinite, truth, etc.
Lesson has to start somewhere to find an end !!!
Now (in a layman's language) out of so called quality aspects of 'GOD' and the 'individual', there is one thing in common, and that is - the un-changing-ness !!
(I am not a different person in childhood and in old age)
(Rope vs snake) One vs Zero
What is the constant to which I said 'I' throughout the ages, from within the body ???
Here that teacher's example of snake-rope illusions vs fact could be applied, to say the "I' is not made of identities like body, mind, gender, emotions, size, sensors, position, richness, etc.
Now if you say, 'i'is not made of body, then the body doesn't disappear, absolutely right.
Thus with the process of negating the identities the reference point 'i' is tried to be understood. neti neti STAGE 1
(Sun vs Candle)::One vs Ones
With the understanding of 'I'-ness, he proceeds to explain the contents of what is the World/universe is made of and how is the World a basis of expressions and tried to explain how the 'i'-ness you learned earlier is available everywhere throughout the world. (Tat tvam asi) STAGE 2.
At this point with your awareness of yourself ('I'-NESS) being widespread everywhere may not expand your physical size or some other capacities, but you may enjoy your own presence and may start living, loving better than yesterdays.
At the same time you may notice that you are still the unchanging YOU amidst the ever-changing illusory parameters.
One vs infinity::::::;;;;
After some more minutes you may be bored of these enjoyments and ultimately with knowledge of what exactly is the infinity, happiness, love, peace, etc and may try to become THAT, ALL THAT, with or without the support of the physical laws, rules of nature etc.
You found a better teacher? Congratulations, wish you all the success.
Earlier the conditions and way of life were entirely different and so did the methods of teaching !
You may learn, that there is NO TIME and you may learn much more information in NO TIME !!!
(Please excuse me, for errors if any.) Thanks again.
Om Namah Shivaya
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@@cbmcbm2845 Regards K Regards K it seems your points have their own weight !!! Thanks for sharing the same. Here I think we are analysing the process of "How some teacher is trying to extend his knowledge about 'I', the Brahman, (universal consciousness, God or some other names). We see atleast 3 terms which mainly are the areas of curiosity, namely....... 1. The Individual, 2. The World, 3. The GOD/Brahman.
When seen from world's point of view, the 'individual person' seems one of many such products !!. When seen from the individual's point of view the world has no meaning in absence of himself.
Answer: These two sentences are untenable and mismatch- When absence of himself world has no meaning same way in absence of world “himself does not have any meaning”. From the world point of view Individual person is the part of many products same way from the Individual point of few he is the also part of the many products of the world in as single entity.
Just one individual close the eyes the world is not dark during noon.
Mostly discussed ruler of most of knowledge banks is the term GOD, almighty, unchanging, infinite, truth, etc. Lesson has to start somewhere to find an end !!! Now (in a layman's language) out of so called quality aspects of 'GOD' and the 'individual', there is one thing in common, and that is - the un-changing-ness !! (I am not a different person in childhood and in old age) (Rope vs snake) One vs Zero What is the constant to which I said 'I' throughout the ages, from within the body ??? Here that teacher's example of snake-rope illusions vs fact could be applied, to say the "I' is not made of identities like body, mind, gender, emotions, size, sensors, position, richness, etc. Now if you say, 'i'is not made of body, then the body doesn't disappear, absolutely right. Thus with the process of negating the identities the reference point 'i' is tried to be understood. neti neti
Answer: if you do the Neti Neti process- One will understand that ‘I’ is not body. If the body does not disappears then transforms in to the product of the world. Neti Neti process will give only the knowledge of absolute difference between the “I” and his/her body product of the world. How will he know that he is Brahman? If you say that he is always- then question yourself- how did Brahman forget himself is own identity?
If you say that Brahman and I are always same that Neti Neti process will get rid of his knowledge that ‘I is body’- this is result it two
1. Attribute-less Brahman accidentally or intentionally know itself as I with attributes - is doing the Neti neti to disassociate with Body (from the young and old- only I remains as same- accepted)
2. If the body does not disappears then transforms in to the product of the world. It will result in Duality. This is opposed to non-duality. World cannot stand by itself without substratum of a consciousness (Brahman). One has to define the relation between two opposites world and Brahman.
STAGE 1 (Sun vs Candle)::One vs Ones With the understanding of 'I'-ness, he proceeds to explain the contents of what is the World/universe is made of and how is the World a basis of expressions and tried to explain how the 'i'-ness you learned earlier is available everywhere throughout the world. (Tat tvam asi)
STAGE 2. At this point with your awareness of yourself ('I'-NESS) being widespread everywhere may not expand your physical size or some other capacities, but you may enjoy your own presence and may start living, loving better than yesterdays. At the same time you may notice that you are still the unchanging YOU amidst the ever-changing illusory parameters. One vs infinity::::::;;;; After some more minutes you may be bored of these enjoyments and ultimately with knowledge of what exactly is the infinity, happiness, love, peace, etc and may try to become THAT, ALL THAT, with or without the support of the physical laws, rules of nature etc.
Answer: The process of Neti Neti is to realize and release from Happiness and Suffering resulting from association of the world.
Detachment and attachment towards the products of the world happens due to ‘ I’ associating with world. It is very natural and real that one associates and disassociates with the world as attachment and unattachment. One gets such dual tendencies because his urge resulting from interaction with world in form of past and present karma tied up with its future karma. It is not illusion.
When you see a mirage- water in the mirage is real. How? Water is there in the Heat. Only from Heat water is produced. So one sees the water in mirage is true. What is silly is one trying to make an attempt to fetch water. Water containing in the heat is too early for its consumption. There is process for separating fire from water. One has to wait to drink. The defect of urge has influenced him to run for the water towards mirage. Mirage as such is real too. And one removing the defect through right knowledge will help him to know nature clearly. Just with this knowledge you cannot become Brahman.
“I” has to do devotion to Brahman and Brahman itself will help to reveal itself to I. This I will shift its identity from the world on Brahman(infinite, unchanging ). This is realization and then one will realize that I and world substratum with the Brahman as Organic Unity. Relationship of I and world with infinite Brahman as its infinite body, infinite mode, infinite power.
You found a better teacher? Congratulations, wish you all the success. Earlier the conditions and way of life were entirely different and so did the methods of teaching ! You may learn, that there is NO TIME and you may learn much more information in NO TIME !!! (Please excuse me, for errors if any.) Thanks again. Om Namah Shivaya
The question excellent ...as for answer...makes no sense...for instant why does brahman want to experience this world
The vast ocean of water isn't bubbles and waves because it wants to experience them.
From the side of sun there is no darkness. From the side of earth there is darkness due to its rotation. Similary from the side of Brahman there is no maya or world but from the side of jeeva there is maya and world. Again from the side of Brahman since there is no world, it does not want to experience the world.
@@jayaprakashck7339 so there is a clear distinction between jiva n brahma
@@narendranarotam3816 Yes, Brahman reflecting through mind and body is called jeeva. If we remove mind and body (gross body, subtle body and causal body ) then only jeeva becomes Brahman. Again if we consider only waking state or dream state then Brahman and jeeva are different. But in the turia state or state of samadhi jeeva and Brahman same. (So Sankara said jeevo brahmaiva na para ). Finally there is only Brahman no jeeva. Aham Brahmasmi.
@@jayaprakashck7339 in the end Sankara sang bhajo Govinda....he then realised the eternal Personality of God...beyond Brahman...Sr Ramanuja Swamis philosophy and realisation is beyond the impersonal Brahman